I can't imagine what it must be like under those circumstances. On land, if your boss is incompetent and on the verge of causing a major calamity and loss of life, you can decide to just walk off the job and let the cards fall where they may. What can you do on a ship in a tropical storm, while sailing on into a Cat 3 hurricane? I don't think you can just launch a life boat on your own and leave. Even if you have co-workers willing to join you, you're still putting yourself in a tiny boat in the middle of a hurricane. You're the only person I've seen to mention that in a posting, but it is thought provoking, and it adds a level of terror and frustration to an already exasperating and terrifying situation. God rest the souls of all of the crew.
I applaud you for taking down a previous version of this video about the Edmund Fitzgerald sinking, admitting a mistake, then uploading an updated version. In this age of misinformation and outright lies, your actions are, sadly, far more rare than they ought to be. Thank you for being a responsible documentarian.
I watched a commentary on some aspects of the tragedy of the Edmund Fitzgerald not long ago…. The person who made it actually talked to a family member who lives in the community and they in turn have family and friends that were on the ship when it sank …. There are many ideas about causes even amongst people who were pretty much on the ground at the time. Your video, (indeed all of your videos) is a production you should be very satisfied with (I am NOT saying this in reference to the event itself of course, only your assembling of ideas / facts/ knowledge based assumptions ) I often watch and re watch parts of your uploads multiple times as I find the technological details hard to understand (my lack of academic prowess in technology, physics and engineering, not your explanations) … and the time, effort and research you must put into your uploads is outstanding… For me to.have as many relevant details as possible about these events in one place; to be able to learn and understand things that would normally be so hard for me to grasp (if I had to look at 200 different sources myself and pick out the relevancies) is just so so much appreciated… Your thoroughness and clarity and your complete lack of ‘emotive commentary’ whilst still showing much respect, is unfortunately rare on RUclips… Thank you, so very much.
@@Fairysnuff you are FAR more intelligent, adept, and well spoken than you give yourself credit for. That was a wonderful, astute, and intelligent comment. It's not your inability to "grasp" these concepts whatsoever. What you are doing is "studying" the material you have before you by re-watching until you grasp what is afoot. Only a fool would watch something such as this and think they have the complete skinny on the subject on the first listen or watching. There are only a few folks out there that truly "get it" the first time the encounter a subject. The rest of us study the material and the rest of the rubes sit there with a line of drool descending from their jaw, talking shit and pretending to understand what they just watched. Yet they have learned nothing because every time they spy something shiny out of the corner of one of their crossed eyes, they lose 10 minutes of video searching for the source of their distraction. It's the same reason they forget to wipe their ass.
As a fellow historian and ship fanatic, I appreciate your care and thoroughness when it comes to research. My hats' off to you, sir. Your videos are always a cut above.
Dive Talk (diving reaction channel) reacted to your content. Called it AI and did not credit you as the source - 'This Girl Is Crushed By Her Dive Suit.' I have told them that you ARE NOT AI, that you have worked as a skipper and dive instructor...and that they should credit their sources...or at least know who they are. Not sure if this falls under fair use but it definitely sucks. They even ripped off the video title 😢
@@waterlinestories Princess Victoria Disaster in North Channel, Irish Sea is one that really upsets me - 1953, a long time ago ,but a series of failings and bad decisions {eg to set sail in the teeth of a severe storm} and the design of the ship all contributed to the disaster. Heroic radio operator David Broadfoot refused to leave his post, morse coding til trapped at his post by a wall of sea waters the ferry capsized. Captain was seen at salute as the ferry went down. Not one woman or child survived. only a few young fit men.
The Oceanos is the one that outrages me the most. The crew and the CAPTAIN abandon ship without even the courtesy of announcing to the unsuspecting and innocent passengers to abandon ship. Perhaps they wanted to make sure they got the best opportunity to abandon ship, and they wanted the best seating. That there wasn't any loss of life is beyond a miracle. The ships hired entertainment did the job that the crew was paid to do.Every crewman should have been arrested and prosecuted. Not one of them should have gotten off without a sentence. Even more unbelievable, the captain is given another ship to command!
Quite this. Sometimes, when you are in uniform or in command you are called upon to die, or at least to risk your life. You do it. Utterly shameful behaviour.
Greeks at their finest. They’re already embarrassed to be catering to Western Europeans and Americans but dying saving them is too much lol If you’re an American vacationing in a depressed economy just remember, the local help will always look out for themselves first in an emergency lol
I don’t understand how one could take on the responsibility of captaining a vessel but shrug of all the duties that honor has when you’re needed most. It was a miracle coupled with the fast thinking of the musicians that ensured those onboard all were able to survive. How that captain wasn’t arrested and disgracefully given another ship is anyone’s guess.
@azovandy14.88 even when there is loss of life the penalties are low in my opinion, the captain of the Costa didn't get a life sentence even though people died DIRECTLY due to his actions
The fact the so called captain of the Oceanos was given another boat to captain so he could work until his retirement where he received a very nice retirement is a complete n utter disgrace. That moron and his crew should have been prosecuted to the fullest.
The is the best Capsizing Compilation on RUclips although I'm not sure there are too many Capsizing Compilations 😄 but I do appreciate the insane amount of work you put into your channel. Keep it up 👍
Thankyou for sharing these traumatic, real life events, ur presentation and narration is easy to understand and listen to. RIP to those brave men and women that lost their lives. 🇦🇺😭
You are an outstanding narrator, and a superb story teller! Bringing factual info, details from witnesses, and other elements into your narration, is very satisfying, and in some cases, emotional. I know it's a lot of work putting even one subject together to create a video, so thanks, from me, for all your effort in this. You've won a subscriber, a fan, and likely a patreon, as well. 5-stars, my friend!
It’s not incompetence he did it on purpose. He dislikes western tourists and didn’t need an excuse to abandon them in an emergency. Never underestimate the amount of resentment that people from depressed economic regions have for people from wealthier countries
"Quick....we have build this set and made it as nauctical as we canbut we dont have anything to put on these hooks?" "Erm....my kids have some snorkles they dont use anymore" "Perfect!"
After travelling from Orkney to the Scottish Mainland in a Force 6 upgraded to Force 8 many years ago, I have the utmost respect for all who have to endure this regularly. It is terrifying if you’re a landlubber.
I don't fully understand the rules of the ocean. However if your captain is directing you to sail right into a hurricane, you should probably not follow their orders.
The elFaro captain had get-there-itis. He got so used to saying no to course change that he stopped considering the changing information. Pilots say you must fly the weather youre in, not the weather youre expecting. He should have accepted the change in situation and changed course
I appreciate your thorough coverage of these topics. I've watched videoes / listened to podcasts on most of these wrecks, but you always bring up some fact or perspective that I hadn’t heard before.
In 1977 the Kjelland was sister to the Gulnare, which, being of the same pentagonal design, I assume would have the same structural flaws. The Gulnare, anchored next to the Thistle A platform northeast of the Shetlands. was also an accomodation rig. I and other divers, etc would cross the long, partially enclosed gangway from the Thistle to the Gulnare in order to watch movies. On the other side of the Thistle at that time was the Bydford Dolphin, that scene eventually of the freakish Wildrake incident that you have documented. From the Bydford we got 02 bottles. And the Thistle would supply divers to Infabco, which would turn out to be a disaster among diving companies. I've never heard of anything that happened to the Gulnare. Maybe it was just the luck of the draw. To the south of there was the Piper Alpha, which eleven years after I worked on it would be for many a night of hell, the stuff of nightmares.
I knew a man lost on the Ocean Ranger when I was a child. He boarded at our house in Alberta before he went to work on the Ocean Ranger. He was a nice man. He had a lot of patience. He repaired my broken fishing rod for me one time and I never forgot it. We were very sad when we heard the news. He had a family he left behind. Rest in peace Joe Burry.
Thanks for this compilation video. I love your channel because I love the topic of content. What I really come here for are the ship disasters & the oil rig disasters, especially. I like the scuba stories where professional divers are contracted to do work @ sea (like on Costa Concordia & the like), but I don't like the stories about individual recreational divers that end up losing their lives due to idiocy...those stories I don't like. Again, thanks for the content.
The first captain is a little baby I can’t believe he wasn’t even in the water and he wanted to be the first out before the women and children still standing on the ship.
What sort of idiot would not make SURE his bow doors were shut before sailing? It doesn't matter who's responsible for closing them it's the captain who's ultimately responsible for the safety of cargo and passengers.
Thanks for this compilation video, although it was so long I had to watch it on different days. I enjoy your multiple story videos! As for the Edmund Fitzgerald, I was fascinated to learn that it sank in two parts. That suggest a combination of Theory 1 about the poor keel weld combined with the Three Sisters large wave theory. It is thus likely that it split apart when hit by the largest wave and sank quickly, giving the crew, already ordered to stay belowdecks, no chance to escape. This very scenario has sunk several other ships, particularly the Liberty Ships, albeit without the keel issues. And the construction of EF made splitting easier. It probably did not hit the shoals. So that's the amateur explanation that I came up with. An exploration of the bottom of the hull would reveal more about the keel, I would hope.
I’ve watched this twice now and when the original came out and every time you try to say Piraeus and just end up saying Greece it makes me crack up lmao that’s funny as hell.
A sincere well done for the work and effort with everything you produce for us on your altruistic and highly educational channel from me and my family in the Empire City of Liverpool.☘️📚👍🙏⚽⚓
Strange that a well experienced Captain on El Faro did ignored a storm that soon become a Hurricane To go just 22 miles south of this was incredible unsafe and risky, his officers understand the danger, but Captain didn't, and played with their lives What surprise me is, that the main Fireline that was erupted was not able to isolate, even from the Engine room? or closing valves on the main line? Never heard of such bad construction. I myself lost a Rudder in a Hurricane in Cabot Strait, on a 14500dwt ship, there was no help to get in this weather, no choppers , no rescue boats, we had the same about 120 winds for 2 days, and without rudder we where drifting towards Prince Edward Islands. I was Captain as well, and the steering gear was flooded, so we welded the door into the steering compartment, to prevent the seawater to get into the engine room. The Bow thruster didn't help, not even in the wind direction, and we where single propellered, with one rudder that was gone, but I was happy when the 12ton rudder broke of, so we could start the engine, with a clear propeller, there was no option to go ahead, and we were drifting with 5 knots against the south coast of Cabot Strait, we where fully loaded with Coal anodes for the Bait Comeau Alcoa factory. So the only option without rudder was to go astern, and I know the currents in the area, since long ago, so we passed between a couple of Islands, and strait out to the Atlantic, and waited 2 days for a tow, back to Base Comeau, and after discharging, we enter dry dock in Halifax, were they built a complete new rudder in 29 days. I have more stories, but this is one of them Been at sea since I was 16 years old, and sail as a Captain for 16 years, and Owners rep for 3 on OOS Gretha in my last 3 years up to retirement. We also had the Bon Voyage weather program, but it was 12 hours between the updates, and on North Atlantic especially winter time is not enough, so we got after complains them to send us updates every 6 hrs during our voyages, which cost more, but then it was much better, we of course have Sat C and Navtex, but with updates every 6 hours, the Bon Voyage was excellent to use.
The captain thought he was in the running for a tasty promotion. The job had already been given away however his boss was trying to squeeze out the "best". Behaviour you tend to get with the competition for a promotion. The boss didn't tell him that he was passed over so he was taking risks that he would otherwise not.. repeatedly being fed false information from his superior. Being made to believe if he didn't get the promotion his career will never progress and will be black listed. He was desperate, sadly that isn't really touched on here. The pressures the owners held in the disaster. In the end he is responsible as captain. However it isn't as black and white as it looks. Pressure from the owner, bad info, over confidence, not trusting his crew... Killed them all..
I am loving your videos & story telling. Thank you for great fact checking & research. I appreciate the work you are putting in these exceptional stories. Thank you😊
Friends,if you wanna be forever scared to take ships..anywhere,just sit down and watch this video/channel. With all seriousness,people might say that "oh,but the cars kill much more people every year than ships in a decate" ..i will still say that i'd rather Drive,cuz i got much more control over during this method of transportation. Of course a lot of people wont agree with me and its allright,i accept and respect that.However,it still hard not to think that the dangers of sailing are Much Higher than driving.
I love your pictures of engineering spaces and general ship layouts....brings back memories. Moss and Tracy sure stepped up to the occasion, but why did the captain panic so? (contrast with the El Faro's captain!) I worked on a ship about the size of the El Faro, but it was a well maintained US Lines box ship, never felt threatened even in the largest storms ...but, I saw a couple ships that lost their bridge windows and other damage due to doing like El Faro - cutting too close to a major storm center ... These days we have fantastic weather prediction, and if a ship is damaged severly it's usually the fault of the deck officer's choices....
El Faro possibly wouldn’t fit under the ‘well maintained’ title. Or even ‘basic pre-sailing maintenance’ such as engine oil, secured cargo… I’ve only ever been in the sea as a passenger, on sailing boats, hovercraft, other small boats, diving, some of these small boats and sailing are couple of days long amateur trips. But as a very amateur person, safety relies upon checking everything before you go. There are lists and mnemonics.
Should the ship designers strongy believe in designing non-sinkable designs the possibility of large number of ships sinking may become a distant memory.
Another great video thanks. I would find it very concerning that the experienced Captain of El Faro, is ignoring a continuous stream of messages, hints, and clear suggestions about a well covered storm then hurricane.
Skipper Davidson was obviously suffering from a mental breakdown and the officers on board should have taken the ship and plotted an alternative course.
The channel Oceanliner Designs ("your friend Mike Brady") has the Titanic well covered, all aspects from construction to sinking to inquiries. Check him out!
I agree. The only word that really had you going was Piraeus. The word is pronounced pe like in pre without the r in it. rae, almost like a ray of sunshine, but slightly less y sound in the end. and then of course us in the end, precisely like you would pronounce us in the name Marcus. Pe-ray-us in phonetic spelling and Piraeus in written spelling. Will that help you, @waterlinestories?
A few problems with your story of the Edmund Fitzgerald (FYI- her notable nickname was "The Big Fitz") Those hatch covers are incredibly heavy, & there's no way on earth a crew on a cargo ship is going out in a storm without the all being properly dogged- especially with the deck boss they had (anybody would know that would allow water in & would be a death sentence for the ship). Thank you for mentioning the fact that it was the theory pushed forward by the insurance company & ship owners to avoid paying out the families. Also their "so-called" experts that said it couldn't have struck bottom or it would've sunk right away- 3 of them were from the Coast Guard & wouldn't dare challenge their own "official" findings (that it could've only been the hatch covers), & the other 2 of them weren't even Captains (1 was a deck boss & the other a 3rd mate). So their "expertice" means absolutely nothing. It's worth noting that the Big Fitz was fine before 6 Fathoam Shoals & Caribou Island, but after going through there, she had a list & was taking on water this coupled with the fact that the Captain of the Anderson believes she struck bottom & this is why she sank, makes this the only probable theory in my opinion. Finally, your animation of the sinking is incorrect. Its a proven fact that she was driven bow first into the bottom by the screw & because she was longer than the water was deep in that area, that's what likely tore her in two. She did not break up on the surface. Ships that break up on the surface are usually found some distance apart. This is because the propeller tends to continue driving the stern section of the ship a bit aways (theres tons of examples but I'll stick with another great lakes ship that sank- The Daniel J. Morrell as an example of this.) Finally, your theory about the bad welds around the keel is absolutely possible, but like i said earlier what are the odds they passed too close to an island in shallow water & didnt strike bottom (& i know you said you felt it in your boat, but with theres moaning & groaning while fighting one of the worst storms to ever hit the lake they may not have felt or heard it!) And your other theory regarding the 3 sisters- this is what i feel finally sunk her. As most people know, accidents such as these are a series of events, not just one thing. I think after taking on water for a while, the large waves came up her stern shifting the water inside to the bow driving her down into the bottom. You did a very good job presenting the theories & showing your research, but got a couple of the facts wrong. Overall, when it comes to something like this, all we can have is theories because the facts are only known to those who have passed.
Working on a dry dock I don't understand the thoughts Behind These passages that are just continually open I understand venting I've built dry docks I know exactly how Stuff sinks when you have a boat built for rough weather like this one 1:50:38 how is it there is open passages from the deck to the blow how is that
Regarding the El Faro. What the hell kind of captain will stick fanatically to a weather report system that will only give information 6 hours old at best and totally disregard up to date sate and realtime reports on the radio? You'd have to be a complete lunatic to follow such a path in the face of a storm of any kind, no matter how much your ship is designed to cope with such a storm. I am the communications specialist on a Naval Home Guard patrol and rescue vessel bridge crew, and as soon as any kind of bad weather emerges, we are all over all the channels and sat internet links and the RCC to keep track on that weather, constantly plotting alternative routes and tracking our position relative to suitable ports to seek shelter in if need be. And the skipper won't even order us to do so. He will be expecting us to do this on our own accord the second we become aware that any kind of bad weather is as much as hinted in a forecast for the area we are patrolling. If it's there, but do not approach, we keep an eye on it, but continue as planned. If it starts to move towards us, we immediately start to coordinate to make alternate plans, again not even needing orders from the captain because it is standard operating procedure. For that same reason, I am not only a communications guy by training. I also do navigation, radar, tracking and securing of all kinds of equipment on board because everybody on the bridge needs to know what everybody else is doing so that there will be no foul up in crew resource management (CRM) or communication between us. This means, among other things, that I keepa very close attention to our exact position at all times, for which reason I have a slave position indicator at my communcation station, and use both transmissions from other stations and the above mentioned sources to keep a precise track on the weather which I immediately pass on to the navigator currently in command. This sounds like we are very nervous to some. Actually it doesn't even look like it if one is on board and watching us at work. Nobody is running around shouting orders left and right or anything like that. We still keep on doing what we are normally doing to the point of sitting at our stations and sipping coffee and throwing around the usual work information and bantering each other or pouncing on the one who is caught making some bad joke or small mistake, or requesting permission to go to the open bridge to grab a cigarette if we are smokers or to go to the thunder bucket or to grab a bite if we are hungry etc. It just means that we do not brush the weather off as unrelated or not important, and start planning immediately for every possible scenario. and the only difference someone can find is that we are all keeping a little more attention on any means of info that can tell us about any development of the weather and the navigator on watch is looking at the charts slightly more often and the lookout will also routinely sweep the sky a little bit more careful in the direction of the weather approaching to keep track of clouds and other visible phenomenons that can warn of potentially bad weather coming our way. So there is not even an increase in overall activity or any frowning or increase in level of concern. It's just standard procedure to know and plan in advance so that we do not end up having problems later. Which is exactly what should have happened on El Faro if the CRM and captain Davies' alledged reputation for safety had worked as planned, but didn't do, leading to the totally unnecessary loss of all hands onboard. I shit on the ship and the cargo. They can be replaced relatively easy. But I mourn the people who lost their lives for nothing.
I too am a seafarer but it's importamt to recognise the huge difference between commercial and non commercial shipping. I've sailed both and commercial masters are constantly under tremendous but at the same time subtle pressure to be on time. Non commercial OTH always have somewhere they need to be but enjoy much more discretion regards arrival time. This is in no way intended to excuse the actions of this particular captain but maybe explain a part of his decision making process.
@@antonrudenham3259 I am very well aware of this difference. Apart from my old man, we are all seafarers all the way back in time to the 14th century, and on both commercial and non commercial shipping. And while I took the non commercial route, both my granddad and one of my uncles took the commercial line. My granddad got laid off by the ØK shipping company because he refused to negotiate a hurricane (or typhoon as the Asians call it) near Singapore to keep up time. He got a new ship within a week, and the ØK paid handsomely to him for firing him over a safety issue. I take chances with safety to a certain degree during rescue work at sea. But I will never go ahead with a safety breach that has no life saving purpose, and even in that case not if there is not a better than average likelihood of succeeding due to training and experience. First step of safety is always to stop the accident/incident from getting any worse before you do anything else. And that applies to sea as well, which you already know as a long time seafarer.
What part of “they didn’t know the data was out-dated” didn’t you understand? They were running the ship as they had always done and made mistakes but questioning a well explained factor is pretty silly.
@@RobertLegereIII Just how would the captain NOT know the info was outdated? Ever seen these? When you download them, there is a time stamp on them to inform you of how old they are. I see the same thing when I retrieve weather for our ship. There is no way that he would not know. And it has not been explained why he kept using a service that used hours old news. Only that he persisted in using that particular service.
@@antonrudenham3259 Sorry for late answer. I know that passenger carriers and cargo carriers are on VERY tight schedules as it cost huge amounts of money every hour they are in port and in other ways use port facilities, And while in port they do not earn any money for the shipping line. So the pressure is not subtle in any way. At least not in my observation. It's direct and shipping agents calling as soon as the AIS doesn't change from "Moored" to "Under way" on the exact planned and specified time. I've even been on the occasional boarding party and been on the bridge of the ship in question, listening to the officer on watch receiving calls because some landlopper agent wanted to know why the hell they had stopped in the middle of nothing and that they needed to get steam up again immediately. Subtle? That has to be the understatement of the millenia. But the fact is that the captain is nevertheless the person responsible for the safety of the ship at all times and the man on the spot, and his responsibility is first and foremost to the crew and other ships in the vicinity. And the shipping lines will always claim that the captain is in FULL control and that they will never question his authority when it comes to the safety, though they will ALWAYS try apply pressure behind the curtains and claim that they are the ones calling the shots and if the captain can't abide by that, he can find himself another job. But regardless of this, it is STILL the captain that will be calling the shots in an actual incident. And if he prioritice the shipping line in any way in such an incident before the safety of his ship and crew, he is in dereliction of his duties as a captain no matter how loud the shipping company is complaining and threatening him. The shipping line cannot drop a giant hand and pluck the ship and crew out of the water and carry it to safety if anything goes wrong. Most often, they have years of frustrated experience with captains and crews disobeying straight forward orders because they are landloppers who have never been in the thick of an emergency on the high seas. They simply cannot comprehend the severity and danger that the crew on the ship is facing on the sea/ocean. If you ask me, any shipping agent in direct contact with a ship operating under that line should as a minimum have been on a ship in the worst kind of weather or other potential risks that can happen before he can even be allowed legally to be dealing with a ship in that kind of risk. I'm a trucker nowadays, though still sailing as a volunteer in navy ships on occasion. Spedition agents in the trucking industry are like shipping agents. They have no background on actual trucks, but are supposed to control the routing and cargo distribution etc in the same way as the shipping agent. I frequently get calls from them, demanding that I change my planned route to accomodate a certain customer in need of the goods I carry. So they ask me to step on the gas pedal and get moving. There is NO WAY that I am going to step on that pedal and race a 48 ton vehicle down the main artery of a city in the middle of rush hour or pour it to it while going at a safe speed on a highway in heavy rain/hail/snow, just because they cannot fathom the situation I am in from their cosy office chair in a nice warm and safe building. I am the skipper of that truck. I carry the ultimate responsibility for both me and everybody else in the vicinity of me. And I am the one who will be facing the consequences if anything goes wrong. Just like the skipper on any commercial ship. The spedition agent will risk nothing. The 2 kinds of transport are exact copies of each other with the only difference being that of one being on land and one being on the sea. And the agents of both have no knowledge of what it's actually like out there, away from the office they are sitting in. And the skippers of both kinds of transport are the ones who will be paying the price if they fold to pressure and something goes wrong. There is no difference there. Not for the skipper on a passenger ship or a bus. Not for the skipper on a cargo ship or a truck. They all 4 have the same responsibility in the exact same way, and the same risks for their crews and passengers. I have the same reply for them every time they threaten me. Do you pay the fines and remove the points on my CDL when something goes wrong, or pay me a full salary plus the extra medical and disability expences until the day I reach retirement age if I get incapacitated? Do you do the same for my helper crew on the truck? Do you visit the mortuary and bring us back to life and health if we get killed because of your orders? Or any innocent person outside my truck who gets affected? Oddly enough, the convo always and without exception stops right there. Because the minute consequences for themselves suddenly becomes part of the equation, you are not able to spot their asses for the shoes hiding it while running away.
Any non-avia engine will have problems with fuel and oil at too high angles of inclination. You need to do A LOT to combat it. I don't like the lack of oil more. This is a problem with a very simple, fast and cheap solution, it is a pity that it has not been solved
Bro, he's talking ABOUT RUclips ads. 😂 Some people want to support the creators themselves instead of RUclips. That doesn't mean you have to do it; You'll be getting an ad-free experience either way.
Watching the Oceanos sink was one of the most upsetting things I've ever watched on TV. Almost as sad the last 5 secs of Blackadder: Goes Fourth 🥺...and no. I'm not over that one. And im pretty sure nobody died.... apart from that beautiful ship.
A lot of ship, submarine and aircraft captains have massive egos. I wonder how many of those egos are responsible for loss of life and /or craft due to them thinking that they know best?
MS Estonia has some strangeness surrounding it. There are many unsanswered questions about that ship. Regardless, i still say the same about planes and ships......If I were supposed to fly I'd have wings. If i were meant to be in the water id have gills.
Time and time again, the families of these victims do themselves a disservice by SETTLING and failing to create precedent for these disasters. That’s why, every single time, it’s a fight to the death to get these companies to admit fault and do right by their employees. These settlements make that fight worth their efforts and save them millions, if not billions of dollars. You need PRINCIPLED people, who truly don’t want these things to happen to future crews (and it will happen again), to stand by their van and see these lawsuits through to the end. I, for one, am sick of hearing about these GREED DRIVEN accidents where no one is held accountable for playing fast and loose with the lives of their employees. They’re just lowly average citizens, after all, right?!? I don’t know how these people sleep, at night.
how does a ship that had major changes without class approval (drill ship seacrest ) even if it had, surely this would have had the stability manual and safety construction certs adjusted and certified with new stability data and calculations !!!!!!
Don't never think you're safe in water if you can't drink it you'll drown in it if you're on a boat and it lists to one side put on your life jacket and find you a beacon
Epiroiki - I sailed with them in '96 on the Triton. Similar to Epirotiki's Oceanus. Such a crappy company. Such an old tub - it had had a fire on its previous cruise. Naturally they didn't tell us until we were on board and at sea!
Reference your boat that you had the keel bolts protected with epoxy. Why wouldn’t boat owners do that? Especially when the boat is their income. I don’t know anything about the industry but I am pretty sure a bit of epoxy or maybe a lot of epoxy is cheaper than a yacht??
story 9: it can NOT be 50 mm thick wire to hold that anchor!! it even looks way thicker on the photo. that looks to me more like 50 CENTIMETER (that is half a meter) ! I understand that Anglo Saxon ppl get confused my the metric system, but there is a MAJOR difference between 5 cm ( thats the 50 millimeter) that is only 2 INCH! ....while 50 CM is a about 20 inches! thats sounds more right... LOLOL
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I love having these on in the background, you have a nice way of speaking clearly and very well researched. Thanks!
Oh wow. Thanks. I really I really appreciate that. 👍🏻😀
I love falling asleep to these videos
Thanks mate. I really appreciate that😀 sweet dreams
@@waterlinestories sweet dreams bro
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The Captains ego of the El Faro took out his entire crew! He was told over and over but one man knew better than a hand full of people!
I can't imagine what it must be like under those circumstances. On land, if your boss is incompetent and on the verge of causing a major calamity and loss of life, you can decide to just walk off the job and let the cards fall where they may. What can you do on a ship in a tropical storm, while sailing on into a Cat 3 hurricane? I don't think you can just launch a life boat on your own and leave. Even if you have co-workers willing to join you, you're still putting yourself in a tiny boat in the middle of a hurricane. You're the only person I've seen to mention that in a posting, but it is thought provoking, and it adds a level of terror and frustration to an already exasperating and terrifying situation. God rest the souls of all of the crew.
@@gayprepperz6862 thats when mutiny becomes your only choice. Sometimes it's not always a bad thing
@@anthonygerardi4658 Can't argue with that!
He was trying to get some pussy
He acts like he’s got a super-ship. However the engine is rubbish. The cargo can move freely, the weather is out of date and there’s flooding. Genius.
I applaud you for taking down a previous version of this video about the Edmund Fitzgerald sinking, admitting a mistake, then uploading an updated version. In this age of misinformation and outright lies, your actions are, sadly, far more rare than they ought to be.
Thank you for being a responsible documentarian.
Or trying to anyway. Thanks for saying so. I certainly don’t get everything right.
I watched a commentary on some aspects of the tragedy of the Edmund Fitzgerald not long ago….
The person who made it actually talked to a family member who lives in the community and they in turn have family and friends that were on the ship when it sank …. There are many ideas about causes even amongst people who were pretty much on the ground at the time.
Your video, (indeed all of your videos) is a production you should be very satisfied with (I am NOT saying this in reference to the event itself of course, only your assembling of ideas / facts/ knowledge based assumptions )
I often watch and re watch parts of your uploads multiple times as I find the technological details hard to understand (my lack of academic prowess in technology, physics and engineering, not your explanations) … and the time, effort and research you must put into your uploads is outstanding… For me to.have as many relevant details as possible about these events in one place; to be able to learn and understand things that would normally be so hard for me to grasp (if I had to look at 200 different sources myself and pick out the relevancies) is just so so much appreciated…
Your thoroughness and clarity and your complete lack of ‘emotive commentary’ whilst still showing much respect, is unfortunately rare on RUclips…
Thank you, so very much.
@@Fairysnuff you are FAR more intelligent, adept, and well spoken than you give yourself credit for. That was a wonderful, astute, and intelligent comment.
It's not your inability to "grasp" these concepts whatsoever. What you are doing is "studying" the material you have before you by re-watching until you grasp what is afoot.
Only a fool would watch something such as this and think they have the complete skinny on the subject on the first listen or watching. There are only a few folks out there that truly "get it" the first time the encounter a subject. The rest of us study the material and the rest of the rubes sit there with a line of drool descending from their jaw, talking shit and pretending to understand what they just watched. Yet they have learned nothing because every time they spy something shiny out of the corner of one of their crossed eyes, they lose 10 minutes of video searching for the source of their distraction.
It's the same reason they forget to wipe their ass.
Very nicely said!!
As a fellow historian and ship fanatic, I appreciate your care and thoroughness when it comes to research. My hats' off to you, sir. Your videos are always a cut above.
Thanks. That’s great to hear. I appreciate it👍🏻
Dive Talk (diving reaction channel) reacted to your content. Called it AI and did not credit you as the source - 'This Girl Is Crushed By Her Dive Suit.'
I have told them that you ARE NOT AI, that you have worked as a skipper and dive instructor...and that they should credit their sources...or at least know who they are. Not sure if this falls under fair use but it definitely sucks. They even ripped off the video title 😢
And, sorry....what I meant to say is I really love your channel and want it to do well. Please keep us your amazing work ❤
@hollieBlu303 🤣 thanks. I’ll check it out. I looked up the video and they do link it in the description. 👍🏻
@@waterlinestories Princess Victoria Disaster in North Channel, Irish Sea is one that really upsets me - 1953, a long time ago ,but a series of failings and bad decisions {eg to set sail in the teeth of a severe storm} and the design of the ship all contributed to the disaster. Heroic radio operator David Broadfoot refused to leave his post, morse coding til trapped at his post by a wall of sea waters the ferry capsized.
Captain was seen at salute as the ferry went down. Not one woman or child survived. only a few young fit men.
Ah Moss! He was an absolute hero that evening. He saved many lives and it wasnt the first time! There's a brilliant video all about him!
The Oceanos is the one that outrages me the most. The crew and the CAPTAIN abandon ship without even the courtesy of announcing to the unsuspecting and innocent passengers to abandon ship. Perhaps they wanted to make sure they got the best opportunity to abandon ship, and they wanted the best seating. That there wasn't any loss of life is beyond a miracle. The ships hired entertainment did the job that the crew was paid to do.Every crewman should have been arrested and prosecuted. Not one of them should have gotten off without a sentence. Even more unbelievable, the captain is given another ship to command!
Quite this. Sometimes, when you are in uniform or in command you are called upon to die, or at least to risk your life. You do it.
Utterly shameful behaviour.
Greeks at their finest. They’re already embarrassed to be catering to Western Europeans and Americans but dying saving them is too much lol
If you’re an American vacationing in a depressed economy just remember, the local help will always look out for themselves first in an emergency lol
I don’t understand how one could take on the responsibility of captaining a vessel but shrug of all the duties that honor has when you’re needed most. It was a miracle coupled with the fast thinking of the musicians that ensured those onboard all were able to survive. How that captain wasn’t arrested and disgracefully given another ship is anyone’s guess.
@azovandy14.88 even when there is loss of life the penalties are low in my opinion, the captain of the Costa didn't get a life sentence even though people died DIRECTLY due to his actions
@@jordanhicks5131 So true!
The fact the so called captain of the Oceanos was given another boat to captain so he could work until his retirement where he received a very nice retirement is a complete n utter disgrace. That moron and his crew should have been prosecuted to the fullest.
This is a feast, well laid out and explained.. long time subscriber.
Thanks 👍🏻 I appreciate the support. Great to see someone who’s been with the channel for some time. 😀
Yes, thank you for the compilation! 👍👍
The is the best Capsizing Compilation on RUclips although I'm not sure there are too many Capsizing Compilations 😄 but I do appreciate the insane amount of work you put into your channel. Keep it up 👍
🤣 Thanks, I really appreciate that
Thankyou for sharing these traumatic, real life events, ur presentation and narration is easy to understand and listen to. RIP to those brave men and women that lost their lives. 🇦🇺😭
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The El Faro one gets me every time 😣
Is just sad
Thanks!
Thanks, that’s really cool. Thank you 👍🏻
Yaaaaas! Super long compilation video, thank you my man. 💙🏴
👌🏻 thanks for that
You got THAT right! 😁
Idk how I got here but dude can tell a story of true accounts
🤣 thanks
You are an outstanding narrator, and a superb story teller! Bringing factual info, details from witnesses, and other elements into your narration, is very satisfying, and in some cases, emotional. I know it's a lot of work putting even one subject together to create a video, so thanks, from me, for all your effort in this. You've won a subscriber, a fan, and likely a patreon, as well. 5-stars, my friend!
Thanks. The sim is to make is accessible and easy to understand.
Everytime i hear abour the oceanos captian im livid
Theres too many stories of incompetent like that-
And too many stories of them not being held accountable. The fact they put that man behind the helm of another ship, afterward is unforgivable.
It’s not incompetence he did it on purpose. He dislikes western tourists and didn’t need an excuse to abandon them in an emergency. Never underestimate the amount of resentment that people from depressed economic regions have for people from wealthier countries
@@CineraryDude he was Greek
@@idlehands1864 greeks don’t consider themselves western, dummy. They don’t relate at all to Western Europe or America
Multiple crew personnel of the Herald Of Free Enterprise literally said “eh not my responsibility”. That amazes me
It's crazy how el faro just casually went into death.
3 HOURS???
Oh yes please!
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"Quick....we have build this set and made it as nauctical as we canbut we dont have anything to put on these hooks?"
"Erm....my kids have some snorkles they dont use anymore"
"Perfect!"
Thanks, this will help me kill some time at work without me keep grabbing my phone👍
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After travelling from Orkney to the Scottish Mainland in a Force 6 upgraded to Force 8 many years ago, I have the utmost respect for all who have to endure this regularly. It is terrifying if you’re a landlubber.
I don't fully understand the rules of the ocean. However if your captain is directing you to sail right into a hurricane, you should probably not follow their orders.
The elFaro captain had get-there-itis. He got so used to saying no to course change that he stopped considering the changing information. Pilots say you must fly the weather youre in, not the weather youre expecting. He should have accepted the change in situation and changed course
I love your channel! Love the omniboat! Glad my phone is fully charged!
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This is exactly what I needed today! 👏
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I appreciate your thorough coverage of these topics. I've watched videoes / listened to podcasts on most of these wrecks, but you always bring up some fact or perspective that I hadn’t heard before.
Thanks, I’m glad to hear that 👍🏻
have watched a few of your videos and i happily subscribed.
thank you for making interesting videos!
Oooh...another omnibus. Yay.
Or could it be an omniboat?
😂 got me there. Hope all is well
@@waterlinestories it's well for the next 3 hours. Thank you. Love your channel.
@anja2716 🤣 enjoy
He he, clever 😉
I really like in the last story when you show the location on the map. That gives alot of character.
Thanks
So so proud of those entertainers for taking care of all those people
What an awesome compilation. Thank you!
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In 1977 the Kjelland was sister to the Gulnare, which, being of the same pentagonal design, I assume would have the same structural flaws. The Gulnare, anchored next to the Thistle A platform northeast of the Shetlands. was also an accomodation rig. I and other divers, etc would cross the long, partially enclosed gangway from the Thistle to the Gulnare in order to watch movies. On the other side of the Thistle at that time was the Bydford Dolphin, that scene eventually of the freakish Wildrake incident that you have documented. From the Bydford we got 02 bottles. And the Thistle would supply divers to Infabco, which would turn out to be a disaster among diving companies. I've never heard of anything that happened to the Gulnare. Maybe it was just the luck of the draw. To the south of there was the Piper Alpha, which eleven years after I worked on it would be for many a night of hell, the stuff of nightmares.
I knew a man lost on the Ocean Ranger when I was a child. He boarded at our house in Alberta before he went to work on the Ocean Ranger. He was a nice man. He had a lot of patience. He repaired my broken fishing rod for me one time and I never forgot it. We were very sad when we heard the news. He had a family he left behind. Rest in peace Joe Burry.
Thanks for this compilation video. I love your channel because I love the topic of content. What I really come here for are the ship disasters & the oil rig disasters, especially. I like the scuba stories where professional divers are contracted to do work @ sea (like on Costa Concordia & the like), but I don't like the stories about individual recreational divers that end up losing their lives due to idiocy...those stories I don't like. Again, thanks for the content.
Thanks, I really appreciate that. Yes we all have our favourites. I quite like the commercial ones too.
New to your channel. Great content. Greetings from South Africa 🇿🇦
👍🏻 thank you my fellow South African
Excellent presentations in all respects
Thanks, I really appreciate that 👍🏻
One of the survivors of the Oceanos had been washed out to sea where he had been found by rescuers...
Thanks for the compilation video. It’s nice to kick back and listen… Love it and the way you tell stories, too.
👍🏻 thanks. I appreciate you saying so. 😀
The first captain is a little baby I can’t believe he wasn’t even in the water and he wanted to be the first out before the women and children still standing on the ship.
I’ve watched all your videos with in a couple days I need more content sir , I can’t stop
What sort of idiot would not make SURE his bow doors were shut before sailing? It doesn't matter who's responsible for closing them it's the captain who's ultimately responsible for the safety of cargo and passengers.
Thanks for this compilation video, although it was so long I had to watch it on different days. I enjoy your multiple story videos! As for the Edmund Fitzgerald, I was fascinated to learn that it sank in two parts. That suggest a combination of Theory 1 about the poor keel weld combined with the Three Sisters large wave theory. It is thus likely that it split apart when hit by the largest wave and sank quickly, giving the crew, already ordered to stay belowdecks, no chance to escape. This very scenario has sunk several other ships, particularly the Liberty Ships, albeit without the keel issues. And the construction of EF made splitting easier. It probably did not hit the shoals. So that's the amateur explanation that I came up with. An exploration of the bottom of the hull would reveal more about the keel, I would hope.
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I’ve watched this twice now and when the original came out and every time you try to say Piraeus and just end up saying Greece it makes me crack up lmao that’s funny as hell.
🤣 yes, sometimes you have to accept defeat
A sincere well done for the work and effort with everything you produce for us on your altruistic and highly educational channel from me and my family in the Empire City of Liverpool.☘️📚👍🙏⚽⚓
Thanks, I really appreciate that 👍🏻🏴☠️
I enjoy listening to these videos while playing sea of thieves.
love that game!
Terrifying. God Bless all 🙏🏼
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Remember - abandon is for everybody. He was Schettino before Schettino Schettino'd.
His face looks very punchable when he says that bs
love the long compilations
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Strange that a well experienced Captain on El Faro did ignored a storm that soon become a Hurricane
To go just 22 miles south of this was incredible unsafe and risky, his officers understand the danger, but Captain didn't, and played with their lives
What surprise me is, that the main Fireline that was erupted was not able to isolate, even from the Engine room?
or closing valves on the main line? Never heard of such bad construction.
I myself lost a Rudder in a Hurricane in Cabot Strait, on a 14500dwt ship, there was no help to get in this weather, no choppers , no rescue boats, we had the same about 120 winds for 2 days, and without rudder we where drifting towards Prince Edward Islands. I was Captain as well, and the steering gear was flooded, so we welded the door into the steering compartment, to prevent the seawater to get into the engine room.
The Bow thruster didn't help, not even in the wind direction, and we where single propellered, with one rudder that was gone, but I was happy when the 12ton rudder broke of, so we could start the engine, with a clear propeller, there was no option to go ahead, and we were drifting with 5 knots against the south coast of Cabot Strait, we where fully loaded with Coal anodes for the Bait Comeau Alcoa factory.
So the only option without rudder was to go astern, and I know the currents in the area, since long ago, so we passed between a couple of Islands, and strait out to the Atlantic, and waited 2 days for a tow, back to Base Comeau, and after discharging, we enter dry dock in Halifax, were they built a complete new rudder in 29 days.
I have more stories, but this is one of them
Been at sea since I was 16 years old, and sail as a Captain for 16 years, and Owners rep for 3 on OOS Gretha in my last 3 years up to retirement.
We also had the Bon Voyage weather program, but it was 12 hours between the updates, and on North Atlantic especially winter time is not enough, so we got after complains them to send us updates every 6 hrs during our voyages, which cost more, but then it was much better, we of course have Sat C and Navtex, but with updates every 6 hours, the Bon Voyage was excellent to use.
The captain thought he was in the running for a tasty promotion. The job had already been given away however his boss was trying to squeeze out the "best". Behaviour you tend to get with the competition for a promotion. The boss didn't tell him that he was passed over so he was taking risks that he would otherwise not.. repeatedly being fed false information from his superior. Being made to believe if he didn't get the promotion his career will never progress and will be black listed.
He was desperate, sadly that isn't really touched on here. The pressures the owners held in the disaster.
In the end he is responsible as captain. However it isn't as black and white as it looks.
Pressure from the owner, bad info, over confidence, not trusting his crew... Killed them all..
I am loving your videos & story telling. Thank you for great fact checking & research. I appreciate the work you are putting in these exceptional stories.
Thank you😊
😀 thanks for that 👍🏻
Friends,if you wanna be forever scared to take ships..anywhere,just sit down and watch this video/channel.
With all seriousness,people might say that "oh,but the cars kill much more people every year than ships in a decate" ..i will still say that i'd rather Drive,cuz i got much more control over during this method of transportation.
Of course a lot of people wont agree with me and its allright,i accept and respect that.However,it still hard not to think that the dangers of sailing are Much Higher than driving.
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@@waterlinestories oh yeah,with all that being said,I'm about to buy my 1st boat😄
@WaZaaap6 two best days of a sailors life, The day he buys a boat and the day he sells it. 🤣
@@waterlinestories 😄
Nice content bro
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I love your pictures of engineering spaces and general ship layouts....brings back memories.
Moss and Tracy sure stepped up to the occasion, but why did the captain panic so? (contrast with the El Faro's captain!)
I worked on a ship about the size of the El Faro, but it was a well maintained US Lines box ship, never felt threatened even in the largest storms ...but, I saw a couple ships that lost their bridge windows and other damage due to doing like El Faro - cutting too close to a major storm center ...
These days we have fantastic weather prediction, and if a ship is damaged severly it's usually the fault of the deck officer's choices....
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El Faro possibly wouldn’t fit under the ‘well maintained’ title. Or even ‘basic pre-sailing maintenance’ such as engine oil, secured cargo…
I’ve only ever been in the sea as a passenger, on sailing boats, hovercraft, other small boats, diving, some of these small boats and sailing are couple of days long amateur trips.
But as a very amateur person, safety relies upon checking everything before you go. There are lists and mnemonics.
Pretty scary that the captain of the Oceanus didn’t even lose his job.
Should the ship designers strongy believe in designing non-sinkable designs the possibility of large number of ships sinking may become a distant memory.
I know it's very bad if the champagne bottle doesn't break on the 1st time and never say anything is unsinkable!!
Make the background music more quiet or just not at all. It gives me a headache.
Wow! 115 knot winds, is almost 133mph. I can't imagine how dangerous that was.
I love the IQ of designers who build emergency survival boats, that cant operate in emergency conditions!
Another great video thanks. I would find it very concerning that the experienced Captain of El Faro, is ignoring a continuous stream of messages, hints, and clear suggestions about a well covered storm then hurricane.
How can a captain leave port with out doing a complete safety check of all life boats
Well that engine oil pump should be at literal bottom of a sloped pan. And how did the crew not have extra oil on hand?
Skipper Davidson was obviously suffering from a mental breakdown and the officers on board should have taken the ship and plotted an alternative course.
Why have you not do any video about the Titanic?
Maybe one day. 👍🏻
Waiting ❤@@waterlinestories
The channel Oceanliner Designs ("your friend Mike Brady") has the Titanic well covered, all aspects from construction to sinking to inquiries. Check him out!
"A marvel of science"
Rather good in your French..Greek,not so sure Sailor.🤣😎
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I agree. The only word that really had you going was Piraeus. The word is pronounced pe like in pre without the r in it. rae, almost like a ray of sunshine, but slightly less y sound in the end. and then of course us in the end, precisely like you would pronounce us in the name Marcus. Pe-ray-us in phonetic spelling and Piraeus in written spelling. Will that help you, @waterlinestories?
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Except "Messagerie Maritime" your french can be understood. "Beau travail, bonne vidéo" anyway!!!!
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South Africa 🇿🇦 does not want to be left out
A few problems with your story of the Edmund Fitzgerald (FYI- her notable nickname was "The Big Fitz") Those hatch covers are incredibly heavy, & there's no way on earth a crew on a cargo ship is going out in a storm without the all being properly dogged- especially with the deck boss they had (anybody would know that would allow water in & would be a death sentence for the ship). Thank you for mentioning the fact that it was the theory pushed forward by the insurance company & ship owners to avoid paying out the families. Also their "so-called" experts that said it couldn't have struck bottom or it would've sunk right away- 3 of them were from the Coast Guard & wouldn't dare challenge their own "official" findings (that it could've only been the hatch covers), & the other 2 of them weren't even Captains (1 was a deck boss & the other a 3rd mate). So their "expertice" means absolutely nothing. It's worth noting that the Big Fitz was fine before 6 Fathoam Shoals & Caribou Island, but after going through there, she had a list & was taking on water this coupled with the fact that the Captain of the Anderson believes she struck bottom & this is why she sank, makes this the only probable theory in my opinion. Finally, your animation of the sinking is incorrect. Its a proven fact that she was driven bow first into the bottom by the screw & because she was longer than the water was deep in that area, that's what likely tore her in two. She did not break up on the surface. Ships that break up on the surface are usually found some distance apart. This is because the propeller tends to continue driving the stern section of the ship a bit aways (theres tons of examples but I'll stick with another great lakes ship that sank- The Daniel J. Morrell as an example of this.) Finally, your theory about the bad welds around the keel is absolutely possible, but like i said earlier what are the odds they passed too close to an island in shallow water & didnt strike bottom (& i know you said you felt it in your boat, but with theres moaning & groaning while fighting one of the worst storms to ever hit the lake they may not have felt or heard it!) And your other theory regarding the 3 sisters- this is what i feel finally sunk her. As most people know, accidents such as these are a series of events, not just one thing. I think after taking on water for a while, the large waves came up her stern shifting the water inside to the bow driving her down into the bottom. You did a very good job presenting the theories & showing your research, but got a couple of the facts wrong. Overall, when it comes to something like this, all we can have is theories because the facts are only known to those who have passed.
A floating ship is a marvel of physics. FTFY
Greek port is pronounced
Purr-ray-us ok well done
Working on a dry dock I don't understand the thoughts Behind These passages that are just continually open I understand venting I've built dry docks I know exactly how Stuff sinks when you have a boat built for rough weather like this one 1:50:38 how is it there is open passages from the deck to the blow how is that
Regarding the El Faro. What the hell kind of captain will stick fanatically to a weather report system that will only give information 6 hours old at best and totally disregard up to date sate and realtime reports on the radio? You'd have to be a complete lunatic to follow such a path in the face of a storm of any kind, no matter how much your ship is designed to cope with such a storm.
I am the communications specialist on a Naval Home Guard patrol and rescue vessel bridge crew, and as soon as any kind of bad weather emerges, we are all over all the channels and sat internet links and the RCC to keep track on that weather, constantly plotting alternative routes and tracking our position relative to suitable ports to seek shelter in if need be. And the skipper won't even order us to do so. He will be expecting us to do this on our own accord the second we become aware that any kind of bad weather is as much as hinted in a forecast for the area we are patrolling. If it's there, but do not approach, we keep an eye on it, but continue as planned. If it starts to move towards us, we immediately start to coordinate to make alternate plans, again not even needing orders from the captain because it is standard operating procedure.
For that same reason, I am not only a communications guy by training. I also do navigation, radar, tracking and securing of all kinds of equipment on board because everybody on the bridge needs to know what everybody else is doing so that there will be no foul up in crew resource management (CRM) or communication between us. This means, among other things, that I keepa very close attention to our exact position at all times, for which reason I have a slave position indicator at my communcation station, and use both transmissions from other stations and the above mentioned sources to keep a precise track on the weather which I immediately pass on to the navigator currently in command.
This sounds like we are very nervous to some. Actually it doesn't even look like it if one is on board and watching us at work. Nobody is running around shouting orders left and right or anything like that. We still keep on doing what we are normally doing to the point of sitting at our stations and sipping coffee and throwing around the usual work information and bantering each other or pouncing on the one who is caught making some bad joke or small mistake, or requesting permission to go to the open bridge to grab a cigarette if we are smokers or to go to the thunder bucket or to grab a bite if we are hungry etc.
It just means that we do not brush the weather off as unrelated or not important, and start planning immediately for every possible scenario. and the only difference someone can find is that we are all keeping a little more attention on any means of info that can tell us about any development of the weather and the navigator on watch is looking at the charts slightly more often and the lookout will also routinely sweep the sky a little bit more careful in the direction of the weather approaching to keep track of clouds and other visible phenomenons that can warn of potentially bad weather coming our way. So there is not even an increase in overall activity or any frowning or increase in level of concern. It's just standard procedure to know and plan in advance so that we do not end up having problems later.
Which is exactly what should have happened on El Faro if the CRM and captain Davies' alledged reputation for safety had worked as planned, but didn't do, leading to the totally unnecessary loss of all hands onboard. I shit on the ship and the cargo. They can be replaced relatively easy. But I mourn the people who lost their lives for nothing.
I too am a seafarer but it's importamt to recognise the huge difference between commercial and non commercial shipping.
I've sailed both and commercial masters are constantly under tremendous but at the same time subtle pressure to be on time.
Non commercial OTH always have somewhere they need to be but enjoy much more discretion regards arrival time.
This is in no way intended to excuse the actions of this particular captain but maybe explain a part of his decision making process.
@@antonrudenham3259 I am very well aware of this difference. Apart from my old man, we are all seafarers all the way back in time to the 14th century, and on both commercial and non commercial shipping. And while I took the non commercial route, both my granddad and one of my uncles took the commercial line. My granddad got laid off by the ØK shipping company because he refused to negotiate a hurricane (or typhoon as the Asians call it) near Singapore to keep up time. He got a new ship within a week, and the ØK paid handsomely to him for firing him over a safety issue.
I take chances with safety to a certain degree during rescue work at sea. But I will never go ahead with a safety breach that has no life saving purpose, and even in that case not if there is not a better than average likelihood of succeeding due to training and experience. First step of safety is always to stop the accident/incident from getting any worse before you do anything else. And that applies to sea as well, which you already know as a long time seafarer.
What part of “they didn’t know the data was out-dated” didn’t you understand? They were running the ship as they had always done and made mistakes but questioning a well explained factor is pretty silly.
@@RobertLegereIII Just how would the captain NOT know the info was outdated? Ever seen these? When you download them, there is a time stamp on them to inform you of how old they are. I see the same thing when I retrieve weather for our ship. There is no way that he would not know. And it has not been explained why he kept using a service that used hours old news. Only that he persisted in using that particular service.
@@antonrudenham3259 Sorry for late answer. I know that passenger carriers and cargo carriers are on VERY tight schedules as it cost huge amounts of money every hour they are in port and in other ways use port facilities, And while in port they do not earn any money for the shipping line. So the pressure is not subtle in any way. At least not in my observation. It's direct and shipping agents calling as soon as the AIS doesn't change from "Moored" to "Under way" on the exact planned and specified time. I've even been on the occasional boarding party and been on the bridge of the ship in question, listening to the officer on watch receiving calls because some landlopper agent wanted to know why the hell they had stopped in the middle of nothing and that they needed to get steam up again immediately. Subtle? That has to be the understatement of the millenia.
But the fact is that the captain is nevertheless the person responsible for the safety of the ship at all times and the man on the spot, and his responsibility is first and foremost to the crew and other ships in the vicinity. And the shipping lines will always claim that the captain is in FULL control and that they will never question his authority when it comes to the safety, though they will ALWAYS try apply pressure behind the curtains and claim that they are the ones calling the shots and if the captain can't abide by that, he can find himself another job. But regardless of this, it is STILL the captain that will be calling the shots in an actual incident. And if he prioritice the shipping line in any way in such an incident before the safety of his ship and crew, he is in dereliction of his duties as a captain no matter how loud the shipping company is complaining and threatening him. The shipping line cannot drop a giant hand and pluck the ship and crew out of the water and carry it to safety if anything goes wrong. Most often, they have years of frustrated experience with captains and crews disobeying straight forward orders because they are landloppers who have never been in the thick of an emergency on the high seas. They simply cannot comprehend the severity and danger that the crew on the ship is facing on the sea/ocean.
If you ask me, any shipping agent in direct contact with a ship operating under that line should as a minimum have been on a ship in the worst kind of weather or other potential risks that can happen before he can even be allowed legally to be dealing with a ship in that kind of risk.
I'm a trucker nowadays, though still sailing as a volunteer in navy ships on occasion. Spedition agents in the trucking industry are like shipping agents. They have no background on actual trucks, but are supposed to control the routing and cargo distribution etc in the same way as the shipping agent. I frequently get calls from them, demanding that I change my planned route to accomodate a certain customer in need of the goods I carry. So they ask me to step on the gas pedal and get moving. There is NO WAY that I am going to step on that pedal and race a 48 ton vehicle down the main artery of a city in the middle of rush hour or pour it to it while going at a safe speed on a highway in heavy rain/hail/snow, just because they cannot fathom the situation I am in from their cosy office chair in a nice warm and safe building. I am the skipper of that truck. I carry the ultimate responsibility for both me and everybody else in the vicinity of me. And I am the one who will be facing the consequences if anything goes wrong. Just like the skipper on any commercial ship. The spedition agent will risk nothing.
The 2 kinds of transport are exact copies of each other with the only difference being that of one being on land and one being on the sea. And the agents of both have no knowledge of what it's actually like out there, away from the office they are sitting in. And the skippers of both kinds of transport are the ones who will be paying the price if they fold to pressure and something goes wrong. There is no difference there. Not for the skipper on a passenger ship or a bus. Not for the skipper on a cargo ship or a truck. They all 4 have the same responsibility in the exact same way, and the same risks for their crews and passengers. I have the same reply for them every time they threaten me. Do you pay the fines and remove the points on my CDL when something goes wrong, or pay me a full salary plus the extra medical and disability expences until the day I reach retirement age if I get incapacitated? Do you do the same for my helper crew on the truck? Do you visit the mortuary and bring us back to life and health if we get killed because of your orders? Or any innocent person outside my truck who gets affected? Oddly enough, the convo always and without exception stops right there. Because the minute consequences for themselves suddenly becomes part of the equation, you are not able to spot their asses for the shoes hiding it while running away.
I wonder if anyone on the El'Faro said "I told you so" out loud.
It did not capsize. It broke up after hitting some rocks. I'm from Michigan and well acquainted with the fitz
I really enjoy your videos but commercials every 5-6 minutes is rough.
Are you the one who was 14 at the time the Fitz went down ?? You did a school paper on it ??
Lower volume with better music (or none at all) would be appreciated.
@43:33 What a crap company to equip a ship with an engine that has oiling problems in rolling seas, what kinda m0r0n does that.
Any non-avia engine will have problems with fuel and oil at too high angles of inclination. You need to do A LOT to combat it. I don't like the lack of oil more. This is a problem with a very simple, fast and cheap solution, it is a pity that it has not been solved
“If you want to pay to watch this without advertisements…”. WHAT? I already pay RUclips $13 a month for no ads! I’m boycotting you.
Bro, he's talking ABOUT RUclips ads. 😂 Some people want to support the creators themselves instead of RUclips. That doesn't mean you have to do it; You'll be getting an ad-free experience either way.
Watching the Oceanos sink was one of the most upsetting things I've ever watched on TV. Almost as sad the last 5 secs of Blackadder: Goes Fourth 🥺...and no. I'm not over that one. And im pretty sure nobody died.... apart from that beautiful ship.
A lot of ship, submarine and aircraft captains have massive egos. I wonder how many of those egos are responsible for loss of life and /or craft due to them thinking that they know best?
I'm gonna try that DNA test thing, but not on myself, I'm gonna swab some dog poop and send that off and see what they come back with lol
MS Estonia has some strangeness surrounding it. There are many unsanswered questions about that ship. Regardless, i still say the same about planes and ships......If I were supposed to fly I'd have wings. If i were meant to be in the water id have gills.
uh... what
Time and time again, the families of these victims do themselves a disservice by SETTLING and failing to create precedent for these disasters. That’s why, every single time, it’s a fight to the death to get these companies to admit fault and do right by their employees. These settlements make that fight worth their efforts and save them millions, if not billions of dollars. You need PRINCIPLED people, who truly don’t want these things to happen to future crews (and it will happen again), to stand by their van and see these lawsuits through to the end. I, for one, am sick of hearing about these GREED DRIVEN accidents where no one is held accountable for playing fast and loose with the lives of their employees. They’re just lowly average citizens, after all, right?!? I don’t know how these people sleep, at night.
how does a ship that had major changes without class approval (drill ship seacrest ) even if it had, surely this would have had the stability manual and safety construction certs adjusted and certified with new stability data and calculations !!!!!!
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My only contribution: I believe it’s pronounced “YOU-know-cal” not “you-KNOW-cle”
Don't never think you're safe in water if you can't drink it you'll drown in it if you're on a boat and it lists to one side put on your life jacket and find you a beacon
Epiroiki - I sailed with them in '96 on the Triton. Similar to Epirotiki's Oceanus. Such a crappy company. Such an old tub - it had had a fire on its previous cruise. Naturally they didn't tell us until we were on board and at sea!
You pronounced Messageries Maritimes very well, but Piraeus is basically pronounced Pi-RAY-us. "Pi" as in PIN
Now can the Captain say he was going to help Evacuate the ship from the helicopter there wouldn't be a rescue if it wasn't for the entertainers
Reference your boat that you had the keel bolts protected with epoxy. Why wouldn’t boat owners do that? Especially when the boat is their income. I don’t know anything about the industry but I am pretty sure a bit of epoxy or maybe a lot of epoxy is cheaper than a yacht??
10:21 this is stone throw from home…
story 9: it can NOT be 50 mm thick wire to hold that anchor!! it even looks way thicker on the photo. that looks to me more like 50 CENTIMETER (that is half a meter) ! I understand that Anglo Saxon ppl get confused my the metric system, but there is a MAJOR difference between 5 cm ( thats the 50 millimeter) that is only 2 INCH! ....while 50 CM is a about 20 inches! thats sounds more right... LOLOL
I grew up in both ! Northern Rhodesia/Zambia, proud of both !
All I got to say is Mutiny this would be mutiny 42:07
I remember the Oceanas sinking. Man that crew were cowards. SA should have prosecuted them.