Picked up one of these but lost the house and level 2 charger in the divorce, so I've been living at the jobsite with 0 charge for 6 days now. Rear bench makes a good bed. Wish my marriage had been Ford Tough though.
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This actually would be good for the majority of F-150 buyers that use these as daily drivers to work and the occasional trip to the hardware store, charge it at home in the garage and get a full charge every morning, a lot of people don't tow with the normal F-150.
As someone that bought their very first truck, a used F150 last year, we tow and haul quite a bit. Some short trips, some longer. Ideally, this would be our daily and for the short tows with maybe a gas/hybrid F150 or F250 for longer trips as a loaner from the dealer? That would cover all our bases extremely well, but not really practical for the marketplace.
The biggest problem with this is the dealerships. I've literally seen these things marked up to $200,000. Sorry, but if I had that kind of money I wouldn't be driving an F150. Dealerships are going to kill the EV market. The same thing is happening with the hummer EV and Kia/Hyundai with the EV6 and Ioniq5.
This seems to be classic supply and demand. Dealerships are selling as high as people are willing to pay relative to how long the vehicle sits on the lot. For those that champion the dealership model, this is what it looks like for better or worse.
It's capitalism. They do because they can and they can because capitalism is in its failing phase now. Who or what is really killing the EV market? ... Always look at the roots. ... The consumers as voters and practitioners of a mindset and way of life. Quark: _"Let me tell you something about humons."_
Most private owners of F150s use them to commute, make a run to Home Depot, and take kids to soccer games. It's the gas guzzling family station wagon of the 21st century. This is now the perfect vehicle for them.
Totally agree. I love big cars and always wanted a pickup as my daily driver/family hauler, but I could never justify the horrendous gas mileage. W ev pickups, I’m finally able to justify buying one.
THANK YOU! I've been trying to make that point to other truck owners who seem to be borderline offended that an EV truck even exists. Most truck owners use their truck as an SUV with a bed. The most "work" they ever see is some mulch for their wife's flowerbeds, a trip to Home Depot, and their kids muddy soccer cleats. Most truck owners are not towing a 5th wheel travel trailer 2x a month.
To bad I had a first hour reservation and didn’t hear anything in over a year. I cancelled and then the dealer reached out and offfered me one for $35k over msrp. What a joke.
I appreciate that Ford kept it pretty simple and "normal" for their first EV truck. When you compare it to how Rivian, Tesla, and GM have went and kind of leaned into that EV FUTURE design and feeling while Ford seems to have just made a F-150 that happens to be an EV. In regards to the charging affecting the electrical infrastructure, you make a fair point about how the grid can handle people chanrging at home. This was also a problem when everyone got a AC unit, but the power grid adapted and changed to be able to efficiently, and safely provide power I think it will be the same for at home charging in the end.
Maybe. But these things have a 100 kWh battery! That's an awful lot more power to replace than running air-conditioning. You could quite easily run A/C , hot water, lights etc from a normal 5kW home solar power setup. But to even half charge this battery would need 10 hours of full sun. So if a lot of people start using these and other EVs the grid is going to struggle to cope. Add to that the fact that reliable power sources are being phased out in favour of "greener" alternatives, means we could be seeing pretty regular power outages.
I think Ford realized their mistake back in the '90s when the Taurus went to that bubble shape and the Camry stayed looking like a traditional car so the Taurus sales plummeted and the Camry became the new commuting appliance of choice. If they went with a weird looking truck like the CT, their customer base would have went out the window and they would have been saddled with the bill for all the new tooling needed to make it. I think it's a mistake for Chevrolet to go with the design of the largely unsuccessful Avalanche for their first EV outing, but I could be wrong and the BEV buying public may be ready for the different aero styling and utility features of that truck.
afaik power grid usage always peaks during the day, and at night it drops off quite a lot, which means the existing grid should be ok with people charging up their cars after they get home...the power stations would just keep running at capacity into the evening.
Incredible that in the time it took between Tesla announcing the Cybertruck and failing to release it, Ford has developed and brought the F-150 to full production. Crazy what can happen when a proper company makes an EV.
Ford has made the F150 around since like 1950 bro. Lol they just shifted the most recent generation to support an EV structure and powertrain. Not as much engineering as building a complete truck from the ground up.
100% Agree - a good job on a very important vehicle, given its popularity and sales volume. Ford certainly is moving aggressively with EVs by producing versions with some of their mainstay nameplates (Mustang/F150) vs new models.
@@Loudlevin of course, it’s a first gen car with brand new tech. Look at Toyota’s EV - a crappy car with a silly name. Ford isn’t discontinuing the regular mustang or F150 but they certainly are taking EVs seriously by introducing EVs in their core vehicle lineup. A gutsy move.
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@@farzana6676 really? I think you know nothing about it. Stop being a jealous scab. Jealous I make more than you? I have a better living because I belong to a Union than if I was non-union.
10:47 - engineering explained has a great video covering that. most people charge their EVs overnight when there's excess wasted capacity (i have Georgia Power's EV power plan, which drops the price per KWH from 7c to 1c between 11p-7am - during the summer hours, M-F, 2p-7p it shoots up to 21c though)
Yes, this question has been answered repeatedly by utilities nationwide. Nighttime demand is dramatically below daytime demand, especially in regions with high AC use. Charge these at night and the grid will be fine. Of course Ford won't answer that question, because that's a question for utilities. Ford wouldn't have the details.
Who the heck is going to get out of bed at 11:00 p.m. to charge their car? I'd imagine most people would be plugging in their EVs as soon as they get home from work.
@@jdroofcleanpw You plug it in when you get home, but either the truck or charger are smart enough to know the time and you can tell it to only charge between 11PM - 7AM. Pretty easy problem to solve.
Right now there's excess wasted capacity, what happens when everyone is charging at night? What happens when they turn the grid off for safety reasons and you're suddenly dependent on the grid even more? Pushing gas prices up in order to entice people to buy ev is not how we should go about it, keep gas cheap or normal price and let the people decide gas or electric.
@@adam_says EE’s video explains it better than i could in a YT comment. gas isn’t expensive because the gubment wants to push people into EVs, it’s because there’s an import ban of oil from russia, which is part of OPEC+ and one of the main oil producing nations
I really want one but I think I am going to wait a few years. I question the quality of cars that have been made in the last two years due to the parts shortage.
I question the quality of Ford from 2000 on in my personal experience with them. The company works for the stockholders and the actual customers are treated like a necessary evil.
@@HighGear7445 Doesn't pretty much every company work like that? They cater to the stockholders while the customers and employees are (and I really like how you said this) necessary evils.
@@trailrunnah8886 No not really , it seems the largest companies out there are more apt to and public owned ( sell stock to the company). I've worked in several small to medium privately held companies and the customers satisfaction is the first priority. Do that and the money will follow. You work with a customer to what's fair for both of you. Stock holder driven companies are beholding to the stock holders and the emphasis is on short term profits, not always thinking ahead for success down the road. I talked to the CEO once that ran a very large company ( fortune 500 I think) and was so disgusted with how the stockholders wanted the company to run that they bought up the stock and went back to privately owned. He knew long term his company wouldn't be successful just aiming for short term profits. Money has to be spent machinery, software ect has to be bought so a company can hit the road running ready to take advantage of future work . Work products ect are always evolving and you need to be ready for it to keep up and expand your business. After 45 yearsthough I'm finaly out of the rat race.
A solution to the home generator issue is to get a Generlink. Then the whole house is powered and you can choose which circuits to energize. It doesn't require another panel etc. It installs where your power meter is and is a 1/2 hour install. The electrician cost is minimal. All mine did when he was here is give the utility company a small step ladder to reach the meter when they pulled it off to install the Generlink.
cant wait until someone makes a maverick-sized vehicle in EV. perfect for my needs. f-150 is too big, doesn't even fit in my garage, and i only need a pickup truck to do small weekend projects around the house. an ev small pickup would be great for my short daily commute too.
Not like people aren’t already doing that with high powered cars that are being sold now. Just recently someone swerved around me in some 80’s ford truck going 80+ mph
You guys missed how much it costs compared to a normal truck and whether or not you believe that is a pro or con. I'm assuming that long range package is going to be extremely expensive.
The base Pro model is $40k. That makes it the cheapest crew cab 4x4 pickup on the market (a base f150 crew cab 4x4 with the 3.3l v6 is $43k). Fleet customers can get a long range for about $47k. A long range XLT is $73k which is the cheapest way a regular buyer can get long range. A long range Lariat is $77k.
19:10 Together with "Master of Puppets" as the crème de la crème (remastered). BTW: What is the difference between a remastered and the original version?
Quick monthly fuel cost comparison, using 15k miles per year, average U.S. elec cost vs $4.50/gal for gasoline, saves just under $200/month. Plus of course there's none of the regular maintenance (and headaches) on the engine and transmission. And if you charge at home you NEVER have to stop for fuel again.
Engineering Explained has a great video talking about the grid and electric vehicles and why in essence we can pretty easily keep up with the rate of increased load compared to the rate of Ev adoption as we have historically been able to.
People are just unrealistic on the rate of adoption. It’s not going to be all evs in 10 years. A gradual change will allow the for the grid to keep up.
Without nuclear power the future of ev recharging is gonna be problematic. Ultracapacitors will most likely replace li-ion batteries. They are far faster to charge and will either force society to bend to the will of the night-owls and reverse traditional work times to accomodate solar peak-energy generation or force us to return to nuclear energy with supplemental solar energy generation
Dealers keep marking up EVs and benching more affordable options like the Bolt, no one will have to worry about a steep curve on mass adoption. We've still got major players like Toyota and Honda barely in the game.
@@dr._breens_beard Capacitors are bad at holding charge for prolonged time. I only see them as useful for short-time buffer. If you make a hybrid car battery using Li-ion and ultracaps, the caps will probably slowly drain the battery unless you disconnect them. But then they would only be useful if you give them charge time before use and the whole tech pairing so that you can make the li-ion cells with zero focus on high current ability. But then again... if you don't have high current, that also makes the cap charging take longer. With the escalating scarcity obsession and efficiency craze, capacitors are basically wasting too much energy to qualify for mass use as battery alternative. And I haven't mentioned the main reason yet: Ultracapacitors have much lower energy density than li-ion! And they also need special considerations in regards to the voltage you are working with. They are basically only good for extremely high charge and discharge currents, and this is why they have been used for such purposes in electronics for ages - as short-term buffer.
There are some open questions about the externalities and grid effects, but I'm impressed at how in the past 20 years we've gone from mass marketed electric trucks being purely theoretical applications to a series of difficult but solvable engineering problems.
Agreed, although they're still mostly toys at this point. I don't see the actual charging infrastructure making (non-hybrid) EV's in general practical for more than 5% of the population for at least another 20 years. I am pulling these numbers out of my ass, but it sounds about right. I live in NJ which is a small, densely populated state and 99 out of 100 cars I see on the road are still gasoline. Also, I find it extremely EXTREMELY hard to believe that the state governments are just going to take hundreds of millions of dollars in gasoline tax revenue in stride. The second that EV's become more common, is the same second that they stop becoming money-saving.
Engineering Explained did a good video on it a while back: ruclips.net/video/7dfyG6FXsUU/видео.html Yeah, it's a big problem, but it's one that we can see coming a long way away and all the possible solutions are technologies we know how to scale effectively.
@@seanbond1008 I didn't even think about the gasoline tax money being lost. I assumed the electricity prices would continue to rise the more its being used because your going to have to pay whatever they charge in order to provide you transportation on top of electricity for living. Then when electricity prices get too high, some people will switch back to gasoline-powered cars, if they still exist at that point.
I think a lot of people towing stuff accelerating slowly is due to them being careful with the load. You don’t really wanna be tossing your trailer around. I’d honestly still have ICE or Diesel. I have a Miata I’d love to tow to tracks around the US or even tracks 4 hours away. This would kinda be a useless truck for people who actually wanna do truck stuff with it.
We're a while away before EV trucks become "work" trucks, cost alone is enough to make any major contractor look the other way. I'd much rather have a throw-away base model f250/f350 to do work with for half the price than the lightning. You'll probably see a few supervisors and white-hat old dudes driving these though to client meetings and just around sites for the day but thats it.
@@anthonybaker9270 In reality this was made to be a huge, fast daily driver. The Pro model is insane value but I don't imagine they make profit on that. It's just 1k more expensive than a Crew cab F-150 XL.
@@imnotusingmyrealname4566 Color me shocked, I was under the assumption it'd cost similar to the Rivian and tbh I posted my comment before watching the full video and researching prices myself. Still won't see one doing major contracting work for a while but at that price point I can absolutely see maintenance landscapers (mowing, trimming, etc) making use of one. Lots of stop/go driving usually within 1 quadrant of the city with minimal to no towing.
From the "fleet" perspective, I'm curious if single cab / access cab models will follow. I have no interest in owning a vehicle this big, but if their tech is quality and keeps improving, I could really see owning an electric Ranger or Bronco.
I very highly doubt it sadly, Single cab sales only account for ~2-3% of F150 sales, whereas the crew cab 5.5ft bed config accounts for about ~85% of sales. With the current situation of supply shortages, high demand, and demand for the Lightning as it is (taking up production capacity)... I highly doubt they'll do it until either the next gen or when the regular F150 goes all EV in like 10-15 years.
Their were plans for the Bronco but for some reason Ford gone silent on it. Don't know why... Last week, they trademarked the terms "Ranger Lightning" and "Maverick Lightning" in the EU, so make that what you will.
Just FYI it's Electrify America not EV America. Might confuse some users. Great video regardless. And regarding the grid, the grid is expanding everyday. Off peak charging and virtual power grids also seem to be helping with that even more. And that last bit which applies to a lot of these great EVs coming out like this is that you can't even order one right now.
You don't need some kind of $4,000 connection to hook up to your breaker. You need like a $500 transfer switch and can run like 6 circuits from your breaker - if this is strictly about power outages.
You can't really "just plug" *ANY* sizeable generator into your house without "setting the home up" for it. I don't think it's unfair for Ford to tout the emergency generator aspect of this truck without mentioning setup cost. What I don't like is that this is probably the *PERFECT* electric vehicle for someone like me, but it'll probably cost $70,000 because everyone sucks.
I was recently at a local cars and coffee and they had a platinum edition of one of these out there and it had a window sticker of $139,000 absolute joke.
And they quoted $5k to set up home for powering by EV. What a joke. Yes, if you go with full automatic solution from Ford plus installation, probably. But manual transfer switch is a couple hundred bucks. You would still need to do some setup with standalone generator as well
@@Outlier117 I just glanced on AutoTrader for F150 Lightning prices within 100 miles of me. The most expensive one I found just had a tow package and a window price of $112k. There is absolutely no reason a truck should cost as much as a small house or condo! The "cheap" one around me was still $70k. It's complete nonsense.
@@tenhundredkills I cannot for the life of me understand who is spending that much for a vehicle like this & what their actual use case is. I would love to own an electric vehicle, especially this one but the pricing is absurd.
@@maximlg253 exactly. Before I even owned a generator I had a manual interlock installed. I couldn't imagine just bringing home a generator & being surprised that it doesn't magically power the house.
12:02 When I hear lines like "Probably one of the most-sold vehicles in the world" I know Jack needs to keep some distance from marketing reps, because whether that's true or not depends entirely on how long you make that list. As for mileage, with this mix of gas and electric now, and both getting pricey, soon we might see these things simply measured in MPD - miles per dollar. Speaking of power outages, that's gonna be fun, too, when you go to your vehicle in the morning and realize you cannot drive to work because you expected it to charge over night but there was no power. EV tech makes you EVen more grid-dependent, centrally-controlled. Conquest of the Matrix. Convenience is a temptation to enslavement. To consider when you talk about torque mobility with cargo: Then you need to secure it even better, because if you step on the pedal in an EV like this while pulling a trailer, you might get an unpleasant surprise. (And/or the drivers behind you.)
my area is already talking about rolling black outs to deal with the everyones A/Cs blowing at max in our 110 degree temps, I don't need this EV F150s making it worst, SHEESH
I drive an F-150 at work. I have to disagree with the statement that visibility is good. The A-pillars are so thick and those grab handles block a lot of your front side vision.
Don't worry, this only has a curb weight of the Lightning is just 6590 lbs, the Silverado EV will weigh about 8000 lbs and the Hummer EV weights 9046 lbs. These vehicles also destroy all the roads by being so heavy.
That means you're never going to realize any economic benefit. You'll be paying full odds on the depreciation and turning it in before you reach the variable cost break-even point.
They can be kept if OTA updates happen regularly and don't require a trip to a dealer. There will be the limitation of lacking hardware as the vehicle ages but only like 1% of consumers have any experience with a car that gets updated. You buy it and it never changes from that day on, and those that always have to buy used cars have never had any of the most modern features. The best thing about EVs is low maintenance and you can keep it 20 years if you want without the ever increasing repair costs of ICE.
Most truck buyers that I know love their vehicles because they can literally do everything. I think the range and towing limitations kind of defeat the purpose for this crowd.
Exactly. It's a nice toy but it's relegated to city duty, which a significant number of truck owners won't understand. I like this truck, but it's so impractical, I cannot justify the purchase for how restricted its use is.
I'm looking to replace my 10 year old Accord and my 15 year old Explorer ST with this one vehicle. I have a truck for hauls to the dump, hardware store runs for long items, hauling motorcycles. I don't pull a trailer. I have a car for the other 99% of my life. I suspect this thing will have to more space inside than the car and more space in the bed than a half-truck. If the price isn't stupid, it's a good fit for my life. Plus no more gas stations would be nice.
@@aarong6616 Yeah but use is different from why you buy a vehicle of this type for most people I think. You're spending so much money, you expect some sort of future-proofness out of the vehicle. To me this may make sense as a lifestyle vehicle, but then again the Rivian may be better suited for that purpose anyway.
I hesitated and didn't book right after it's released. Now I'm couple hundred behind other reservations, at this specific dealership. That's how hot this truck is. This is the perfect thing for most small contractors, DIYers and maybe even small farm owners.
I've been yelling to myself how EVs need to look like normal vehicles to really catch on and I immediately loved this when they unveiled it. It's a F-150. It doesn't look like some weird futuristic vehicle like GM is doing with the Avalanche...I mean Silverado EV. I actually saw one yesterday in my rural area which really surprised me since I didn't think we'd start seeing them here for quite a while. It looked amazing. Hopefully they can get these things built faster and get the pricing down as the years progress because one would make a lot of sense for me. I do a lot of weekend warrior crap and I'm always hauling stuff in my bed, but I never really drive more than 50 miles a day. This would be perfect.
Yea, some of the EV designs are quite off-putting and seem to be different just for the sake of being different. Not everyone wants their vehicle to stand out and say "look at me!"
Personally I actually prefer the styling of the Av-Silverado EV, which is saying a lot because I think GM styling has been atrocious for the past decade. The thing I really don’t like about the F-150 Lightning’s styling is the fake grille. If they were going to do a fake grille, I wish they would have make it look more like an actual grille, and not just a big flat, black plastic rectangle. It just looks so cheap to me. I also hate grey interiors with a passion and sadly that’s all you can get in the Lightning. The Silverado offers some really nice multi tone interior with contrast stitching that look a million times better. I also like that the Silverado EV is bringing back the mid gate, which I think was a brilliant idea that was ahead of its time, but now fits really well with the modern “urban utility vehicle” truck buyer.
I actually really like the Silverado EV, I think it looks better than GM's ICE offerings anyway. I also like the return of the midgate as well, if your truck is going to be built on skateboard EV architecture it makes sense to make the most of it and offer a flexible vehicle that can haul people and cargo as needed without the absurd wheelbase of a traditional Crew+8ft box configuration. That all said I do believe that the Ford is going to be the most popular, just because of it's outward appearance of being a "normal" truck making it more approachable to traditional truck buyers, and a fairly good accessory range should already exist since it uses a standard F150 bed as far as I know.
Suggestion, please include vehicle pricing, talk about the warranty (especially unproven battery tech), the battery capacity/ range loss with age, and battery replacement cost if we had to pay cash.
@@yzhan225 I'm aware the internet can answer questions hence me being on RUclips. You're missing the point these guys do car reviews for a living suggestions like mine are not unreasonable. Ford has been testing this vehicle for years before going into production so they know capacity loss over time....these guys speak with Ford when they get the truck so they can ask.
@@chimrichalds1422 its not a black or white answer yet tho. No one has owned this long enough. Those ones they tested are just preproduction units so not accurate. Will need real life testing from now on and likely depends how the users charge and how often, DC fast charging amount vs home charge.
As usual, the best of the best in auto journalism. 114 yrs later, Henry Ford's company is doing some things that all great entrepeneurial organizations do: A. They're pivoting early on, and B. They're pushing forward and not listening to all the "naysayers" and "wise people". No one ever imagined an internal combustion engine could replace steam. Henry Ford wrote in 1908........... "They (gas engines) were received with interest rather than enthusiasm and I do not recall any one who thought that the internal combustion engine could ever have more than a limited use. All the wise people demonstrated conclusively that the engine could not compete with steam. They never thought that it might carve out a career for itself. That is the way with wise people - they are so wise and practical that they always know to a dot just why something cannot be done; they always know the limitations" History will include and document, with humour, all of you naysayers and wise people.🙂
They are sealed. People have driven Teslas submerged. The wiring connections are behind a pair of gaskets and the motor itself is oil filled. They handle getting wet.
@@illreportbackinabit.8514 Not really, extremely easy to replace a battery. I'm not an electric car guy at all... but gas vehicles are astronomically more complicated and have many more opportunities for issues short and long term.
Great truck! My favorite Electric Truck for how normal it looks. Having said that: a big turn off is the dealership network; they operate in such a shady way. I’ve seen what they’ve done with the Mach E, marking it up and eating up the federal rebate like if it was theirs by marking up the car to at least what the rebate is.
This will only be available to purchase online bypassing dealership up marks. They will follow the Tesla model. I can only hope this will push others to follow suit.
FYI - I have a device called a GenerLink that sits behind my meter and allows a generator to be plugged in without having a separate bypass panel. It cost about $1200 to have installed in addition to the cost of the portable 12kW generator.
If Ford can make enough of these so they're available at a competitive price with ICE F-150s, this has the potential to be an absolute game changer. The full-tank-everyday aspect of EVs is the thing that should be top of mind rather than the lower "tank" range. All of the EV benefits in a truck package is what will get Americans to finally start changing their "you can take my ICE engine from my cold dead hands" mentality.
I’m an electrician. I have a reservation for a Lightning. From what I gather, Ford has partnered with some company which I am assuming “partners” with local contractors to install the required equipment for powering your home from your EV. The first thing this requires is the 80 amp Ford charger which comes with the larger battery versions. What doesn’t come with it is the transfer switch. I’m guessing that the transfer switch has some Bluetooth or WiFi connection which allows control of it through your mobile device. I have had trouble researching the operations of the 80a charger, and how it inverts to power a house. Ford has said that if you purchase this charger separately that other Ford EV owners can power their houses. TO me, this means ALL YOU NEED is that charger. A transfer switch merely switches power supply to another source. The same can be done if you have a brain. Most homes should have a main breaker or main disconnect. This will cut off the power supply from the utilities. Simply turn off the main, signal the charger to invert power from the EV to the house, and you’re there. This can also be done with a manual transfer switch- of course that is not as cool as being able to do it with your phone, but it might be several thousand dollars cheaper than a BT transfer switch. All of the electronics that make the inverted power supply possible have to be in the charger. Obviously the charger can’t be powered by the house if you want to to power the house. Any controls required to signal a transfer switch, or get a signal from a transfer switch must be powered by the charger’s DC side also so there has to be some way to bypass or jump contacts out in the charger. Like I said, the owner just has to have a brain trained to follow procedures. First, cut off the main power. Second, make sure truck is plugged in, and tell it to invert power. I would add in the case of air conditioning, that it is best to cut off your AC at the thermostat before switching power- regardless of how you do it! Then turn it on after power sources are swapped. This would be true for any installation. Reverse procedure when the utilities are on. With a manual transfer switch, you’d thrown the switch prior to telling the truck to invert power. I’d suggest a manual transfer switch with monitor lights so you’d have visual confirmation when the utilities are back on. Ford merely suggests that you use the company they partnered with, but it is not required. By NEC, all appliances are required to contain instructions for installation, so any electrician should be able to install and check operation of the Ford 80 amp charger. Best wishes to all.
I'm not a truck person but having driven a F150 XLT with the 3.5L ecoboost, I'm seeing why people love these big Ford trucks. An electric version makes a ton of sense for commercial duty for contractors and skilled trades, and as a personal use vehicle for commuting, family and occasional home depot visits, towing the boat to the lakehouse or off road to the countryside, there's almost no situation aside from cross country stints under towing where this truck just works.
Ford chose to “Frankenstein” the ICE F150 to get the Lightning to market quicker rather than a dedicated EV platform. Time will tell with the pros and cons as more BET (Battery Electric Trucks) come out. As far as the EVs being a home generator, OEMs are certainly starting to develop V2x applications (vehicle to anything). As you mentioned, residential and businesses with chargers will need to be outfitted with the proper hardware, but the intent is to balance grid capacity/utilization and cost to charge. So for example in your home, if it’s a hot summer day and you need to run A/C during peak electric rates, you can use the electricity from your EV to reduce strain to the grid and reduce cost of running your a/c. Then overnight when the grid is less utilized and off peak rates, you can recharge your vehicles. Still lots of develop required to make this a cohesive experience.
@@mexifry222 that’s another thing that’s certainly being studied. There are many things still being looked at and this is an early technology - so only time will tell with more data. You also have to remember that your vehicle will act as a supplemental system, not a standalone.
Final thoughts with TRD pro in the background. Looking forward to that one. I'm not ready for an ev pickup but I admire ford for the innovation. Nice review...
I do think this can be the game changer for pick-up's in the rest of the world. This isn't hit with the insane taxes in Europe and can still tow a bit and be usable for contractors who don't do >300 km a day, and the most don't overhere..
Yes distances are shorter so it's absolutely a better fit for Europe. Sadly we only get shitty diesel 4-cylinder pickups that get like zero R&D money spent on them so they are terrible compared to American pickups. I actually consider importing a Lightning Pro from the US for Europe, it's just so good and tax exempt here.
@@imnotusingmyrealname4566 Yeah and that 4 cilinder's are just there for the CO2-taxes. I do think that if Ford is smart about how to roll out this vehicle in Europe it can be a big market and chance to set themself into the front of the pack.
@@thomaswood2390 partly it's handier for the bigger cities, but I do think also because of the enormous taxes. A loaded F150 with the 3.5 ecoboost cost >120k Euro's so it doesn't compete with loaded MB Sprinters or some high end VAG products.
this truck is way too big to be a hit around the rest of the world. There are whole sections of european cities where this truck is unusable due to its size.
@@Parker53151 no, because refueling on a car is far quicker. The only way to compare is time to travel 500 and 1000 miles. Then it makes more sense. Certain trucks and sports cars will lose to high range evs who can do the trip without stopping. There's no way though 250 miles of range in an ev is equivalent to 250 miles of gas range.
all you need is an interlock kit in your panel, just a few hundred bucks(50 or 30 amp breaker, kits and an inlet box and some wiring, nothing crazy, electricians just try to rip u off with a transfer switch.), but still i have a 12k watt generator and paid $1300 for it
This is the first EV I've been interested in. I have my 'sports' sedan, which I would keep, but this can occasionally tow my father's boat if needed and tow/haul stuff. I had to rent a Uhaul cargo van just to pick up my new TV for instance. This EV makes sense from a utility perspective as I am not a truck guy.
Unless you need that utility multiple times a week, people are still better off just renting a truck from a big box store/uhaul when it's needed. The total cost of this truck (monthly payment + insurance + maintenance (albeit less than an ICE truck) + recharging cost) will outweigh the cost of renting-when-needed by a huge margin, and you don't take up the space needed for a second, large, vehicle.
A fully loaded raptor is 6400#+ a fully loaded and fueled ram trx is over 6800# Full size cowboy Cadillacs ain't light. Hell the latest damn escalade esv is over 6500# now. 🙂
I am a contractor who is largely self-employed, and while I'm absolutely in love with the ability to plug my tools into my truck and store some of them in the frunk instead of on my seats or in a toolbox behind the cab, until there's an 8-ft bed variant of this, preferably with a single cab, it just doesn't make sense for me to purchase as someone who has to get all of his own material and then get it to the job. For those of you watching this who aren't familiar with carpentry or general contracting, many building materials are sold in 8 ft lengths as standard, and while you could theoretically just lower the tailgate and strap things down, it also impacts your ability to put larger things in the bed, like 12 ft lumber, without having an unwieldy dangerous protrusion from the back of your truck or needing to attach a flag for safety. I'm not well off, but not hurting, and I would happily sign up for the monthly payment if it actually had both of those options. Sadly, that kind of stuff probably isn't going to filter down to what would essentially be a fleet vehicle for years. Great review as always, though. Hoping the folks at Ford give you guys more technical info since you are the only reviewers I've seen and like who actually take full advantage of it.
As someone that bought their very first truck, a used F150 last year, we tow and haul quite a bit. Some short trips, some longer. Ideally, this would be our daily and for the short tows with maybe a gas/hybrid F150 or F250 for longer trips as a loaner from the dealer? That would cover all our bases extremely well, but not really practical for the marketplace.
Lariat trim with the extended range battery is the way to go.You get the full 10,000 lb towing capacity, longest range, and a very nice but still practical interior. They need to make a 6.5ft bed length version.
While I am No Fan of the EV Market (In fact, one could consider me a 'Conspiracy Theorist' with what I believe is happening with this 'Market' and what Government is trying to 'Exploit' with this Market), this is probably the BEST EV Vehicle out there in terms of BOTH Practicality and Functionality. Plenty of Horsepower & Torque, and they didn't change the Interior of the F-150 TOO Much. It's the Same F-150 we all KNOW & LOVE, Just with an Electric Motor WITH 4X4 STANDARD! (No FX4 Package of Any Kind, Unfortunately.) The BIGGEST Downside of this Vehicle (And One that I think will KEEP this Truck from selling well) is the Battery Range. You're looking at 250 Miles on the Standard Range Battery and 450 Miles on the Extended Range Battery. I don't know about you, but having to Pay $20K+ to go about the Same Range as MOST Combustion-Engines is, and should be, a Major Turn-Off for Some. Lithium Batteries are JUST NOT where it needs to be in terms of Efficiency and Range Overall. Add in a Trailer of 5K Lbs. or More, and Your Range Drops to 100-200 Miles at MOST! As a Result, I see the F-150 Lightning, in its current state, as more of a 'Status Symbol' kind of Truck. It's not Practical for the things most people will use their Trucks for (Towing, Payload Hauling, Work Truck Use, etc.), and Overall, Is just TOO MUCH Money for a Truck that Doesn't do Enough due to its Limited Range. HOWEVER... This STILL is, from my perspective, THE MOST PRACTICAL ELECTRICAL VEHICLE ON THE MARKET RIGHT NOW. If you want a Electrified Vehicle that can do practically anything... THIS IS IT. Ford has hit a HOME RUN with their F-150 Lightning, but further Technological Advancements in Battery Power WILL Need to Happen to UNLEASH the Lightning's FULL POTENTIAL. I'll stick to my 2017 Toyota Tacoma SR with a 4-Cylinder Combustible Engine, but I'm excited for the Future of Electric and Hybrid Trucks! Fantastic Work on This Video SavageGeese!
"What happens to the grid when there's millions of EV's on the market? That's the thing nobody is talking about." I crack up at this sort of comment because infrastructure is literally the only thing people talk about when it comes to concerns about EV adoption. It's a totally valid concern, but it's silly to say nobody is talking about it.
10:47 You already know what is going to happen to the power grid. The cables will overheat and slack until they arc with something and cause a blackout, much like in the 2003 incident. Almost every single piece of electrical infrastructure needs to be changed to support mass electrification...
@@prototype3a no consumer is actually going to want to pay for new plants and an upgraded system once they see the impact to their rates. Hell, the folks driving gas cars will actively fight it.
Yes, and infrastructure projects are not planned for the rabble. That's some socialist crap, ha-ha. You're gonna be told when you are allowed to charge. They will turn it on for you and then you say "thank you" and are happy that you managed to keep your social credit score in the green, which the USA will have because it must CoMpEtE with China. 😏
What happened when everyone got AC in their homes? Electric appliances? They upgraded the grid. The power company is in the business of selling power, so if you want to buy more they're gonna allow it.
I have some subs who are super into this truck. Total cost of ownership is insane on this thing. For example one sub has 10 trucks and is dying to replace them with lightings. When you are sending a crew to a job, last thing you want is to have to pay them to stop and get gas. If you think gas is expensive, wait till you have to pay for gas and for 4 guys to stand around for a man hour. Twice a week. (It does not take 5 minutes to get gas, plus it’s almost always a detour). Can’t even deduct the hours from workers comp anymore. Charging at the shop, on industrial or commercial rates is a no brainer. 150k of these a year won’t be near enough. Sure if you’re in the boonies it won’t work for you. But urban and suburban companies are the highest and best use case.
🤣 I remembered when my sister panicked (Though gas was brakes) and ran our Camry into the garage... Curious how much damage these things can do in a traffic light.
I have a f150, its as base as it gets, it doesn't have keyless entry or power locks or power windows. My wife has a 2022 hyundai, it has all the new technology in it. When i switch back to my truck, I enjoy the lack of technology in it.
I drive a half ton 4x4 daily as my company vehicle. My average miles per day is less than 200, and I no longer carry 500 lbs of tools and parts around. I would love for my company to assign one of these to me, but I will be getting an ICE F-150 next month. Would have been a great chance for me to see if an EV would be usable in a practical setting.....
So approx 275 mile Range when new. In five years time when the battery has deteriated, particulatly if your in a cold climite what will your range be then? What will your expensive truck be worth?
Good introduction & well done Ford. The major problem for Ford is that as far as reports say, they aren't making any money selling these things at this price.
I really would like to see some trucks and full size SUV PHEVs. It would allow you to be a parking lot princess (which is how most people use trucks and large SUVs) without using much or any gas without sacrificing towing range and capacity.
@@RAZGR1Z the Hummer EV is so heavy that it actually uses more fossil fuels than a Chevy Malibu and it "only" weighs 9000 pounds, so stop exaggerating. A PHEV has a fraction of the batteries of a BEV so it'd weigh much less. If people are going to buy SUVs and trucks it would be sensible to at least allow for zero emissions for the average daily commute while also having the gasoline-provided range needed for a road trip
@@RAZGR1Z Wut? The battery pack on a long range PHEV would be a couple hundred pounds, and nowhere near as fire-prone as the gasoline system. Get your head screwed on straight.
Ford have registered the names "Ranger Thunder" and "Maverick Thunder" which rumor says are for upcoming PHEV versions, reserving the "Lightning" moniker for pure EVs.
@@Bonanzaking lol 500 miles? that would be increasing modern battery density by a multiplier of 5 under heavy load. We’re talking decades of battery innovation, if it’s even possible
And what range is that exactly? Most of the cars I've owned (Ford Fusion Sport, Subaru WRX, Chevy Cobalt SS) all had a range of 200-300 miles depending on how I drive. Many EVs can already match or surpass that range. I think what you're really looking for is a level of comfort in your use case because ICE cars have a mature infrastructure and quick refill time. The concern over range comes from charging times and less developed infrastructure. Valid concerns, but lumping it all into range would mean EVs need a 1000 mile range to be competitive.
@@Matt-tt4cu you don’t think someone said that a decade ago in regards to smartphone batteries? Time does its thing. Ranges are already nearing parody among some vehicles. Ill bet about 5 to 10 years. Again I use the smartphone analogy. You’ll probably see small incremental boosts in ranges so they can keep selling cars.
@@Bonanzaking Couple problems here: smartphones aren't really turning potential energy into kinetic energy. While it is true, battery density has improved over the last 15 years, but it stalled out about 5 years ago. Also the economics - battery density grew about 30-40% since 2007, with a cost increase of about 70-80%. Phone manufactures also leverage China's labor to produce their phones - which is the ONLY reason they are remotely affordable. Auto makers that sell vehicles in the US don't really have that luxury, and still have to solve the bigger problem of turning potential energy into kinetic energy. Hydrocarbon based fuel vs a battery is no-contest in that regard. And back to economics: Today, virtually every adult in the US owns a smartphone by choice. And as of May 2022, still
Every “local” Ford dealer in a 100 mile radius of me in charging over MSRP. The Maverick, which was supposed to be a cheap alternative to larger trucks, is nearly as expensive at a Ford Ranger and the roll-out has been completely botched. I’ll keep my gas guzzling 1972 J4000 running for whatever pickup truck duties I have, and daily the new Subaru I just bought for $500 under MSRP.
I’m definitely interested in this truck , I don’t tow at so the driving range is winning me over 🤞….plus gas price where I am is over $7 a gallon on 87 octane
How much to charge nightly? 131khw (which you will use because who doesn't love torque?!) It changes how you drive (being an EV owner). It's just so heavy, I fear the nightly recharge us going to place some fear into ownership. Plus, is out grid with rolling blackouts capable of supporting this much power? Nissan leaf 21kwh was about $50/ month).
The 1st gen F-150 Lightning is perhaps the perfect truck for people who daily trucks. We all know many trucks sideline as family cars, and this will do that way better than its petrol powered variant.
@@jensendkmg7209 That is never going to happen. Just like Tesla will never have a $25,000 EV that Musk said they were developing. Even if inflation eventually goes back down to 2%, the damage has already been done when it comes to prices.
*QUESTION / TOPIC REQUEST:* This might be relevant and a good topic for Fine Print: Battery charge cycles and longevity. All I hear is that if you avoid deep charge and discharge, the battery will last for more charge cycles, i.e. prolonging battery life. But it is never explained in detail. Does it refer to theoretical full charge cycles or to the actual narrowed charge cycles? For example: If, theoretically, using a battery only between 40% and 60% charge gave you 8000 charge cycles and using it between 30% and 70% gave you only 4000, then it would be the same, since each charge cycle covers twice the usable energy. Is there a complex curve with identifiable sweet spots? Or is the usual norm of charging to only 80% for longevity just a compromise decision by manufacturers between longevity and practicality? Do electric cars (all) allow you to choose your own charge limits? If someone is only doing short-distance drives, wouldn't they want to cap charge to 60% to presumably further improve battery longevity? (I imagine, apart from cars, electric toothbrushes and razors would be particularly interesting here, since they almost always just sit in the charger. Also DECT phones or such. But there also seem to be at least NiMH batteries that are optimized for this constant top refresh charge.) Also interesting here is whether what burdens battery lifespan is more the charge state or the use of it in a certain charge state. I heard 100% charge will by itself stress the battery, but how much does a discharge activity add to that stress?
To piggy back off the iPhone analogy: if the history of other, older EVs going onto the used/off-lease market is any indication then I think depreciation as Ford moves onto Mk 2, 3, etc batteries and motors is going to be one of the big democratizing forces for these trucks. Some buyers will always be chasing the bleeding edge of capability/towing/range/etc, while plenty of buyers will be happy to inherit yesterday’s new hotness or buy it at a big discount.
I live in North Carolina, and guess how many people I see towing something other then a motorcycle or a lawnmower? Almost none and no one I know is going to buy a $50K plus truck to beat up on and throw crap in the back and scratch up the bed. IMO,A this is for those who want to be seen in a EV just because it's the trend. The only people who really care about speed are those who jack up their V8 powered 10 inch lift trucks. And they wouldn't buy an electric truck.
100 mile towing range and need to spend 20,000 dollars to replace battery in 10 years is a no go for me. Assuming the battery is still being produced. That 20,000 dollars is 4,000 gallons of gas over 10 years.
4,000 gallons of gasoline at the average 17mpg a full size pickup gets is only 68,000 miles. Over 10 years that's 6,800 miles a year. Most pickups are driven twice that far annually if not more. And most full size trucks can't sniff 17mpg average either. 🤔 Also fyi starting in 2025 ev pack's in the U.S. are going from coverage of at least 8 years or 100,000 miles minimum under the federal ev battery warranty. To 10 years 120,000 miles coverage minimum. Some manufacturer's already cover them for that long or longer. 👍🏻 Plus they are experimenting with additives that can help heal dendrites in the pack itself. If those pan out in the near future. Ev pack's will last decades or more with retaining near new energy capacity. Not to mention pack costs at the per kwh cell level have dropped over 800% since 2010. So who knows where they'll be by the some time in the theoretical future when a replacement is needed outside of warranty coverage. 🤔
The general public that drives an F150 drives it less than 40 miles per day and hauls a few bags of mulch once per year. (Excluding the contractors) My wife pays 200 to 300 dollars per month on fuel since she gets 14 mpg. We ordered an EV6 and even though the MSRP is more, we're paying less per month. Furthermore, the fed will give you $7,500
The question about grid capacity has been discussed at length within technical circles. The general consensus is usually split into two thoughts. 1. Have "smart" charging network where in-home chargers operate during non-peak hours (typically at night when demand is low). 2. Plug-in electric adoption rates will track the power generation capacity industry where enough grid capacity is added each year to match the demand (as a whole). There will be instances where some areas grow grid faster than adoption and areas where the grid grows slower than adoption. Home-based solar systems with battery backup can supplant the demand for many folks in many regions at a cost...but early adopters tend to be higher income who can adapt their homes before industry finds the right push-pull balance.
It’s not a “one to one” replacement of the ICE F150, but then it doesn’t have to be. I think this vehicle makes sense for a lot of people. I hope it is reliable, reparable and recyclable. Not to mention it is cheaper than Tesla Powerwall in terms of pure battery size. Apparently. So it makes sense in combination with a decently sized EV panel system. Judging from the amount of the new EV panels installed, I think there should be enough energy. I’d assume new houses will maximise the EV output. So the future is not as dramatic as it looks like. The technology is there in terms of making more electricity and saving it for temperature control.
idk im getting 2 tesla powerwalls installed that can power my house for 2weeks. This truck doesn't go for that long. as for price it was like 12k total i think, also getting that tesla solar installed
@@salami99 " A Tesla Powerwall starts at $10,500. If you buy four or more, prices drop to $7,500 each. A Ford F-150 Lightning Pro costs $41,669 if you manage to find a dealer that is not fond of markups: $39,974 for the price and $1,695 more for destination charges. The entry-level F-150 Lightning comes with a 98 kWh battery pack. At 14 kWh each, you would need 7 Tesla Powerwalls to get the same energy capacity the electric pickup truck offers. That means you would have to pay $52,500 on the Tesla products. Buying the F-150 Lightning Pro would cost you less and would also put a pickup truck around the battery pack."
As is becoming the norm for Savagegeese videos, and a really annoying one at that, is ABSOLUTELY NO MENTION of how much this car COSTS. Yes, I know, we're in a time of dealer markups and all that noise, but I'm sick of this unmentioned mentality that rehashes the old mindset of "if you have to ask how much it is, then you can't afford it", and I know I can't afford this vehicle and have no use for it to begin with. But remember, part of this "virtual" tire kicking that videos of this sort provide also includes peeking at the window sticker, even if the final price is nowhere near what's printed, and I'd rather not visit Ford's website. I also have no use for a car that's a lease-only proposition that needs to be replaced more than a a damned phone. An F-150 is supposed to be a durable good. They generally last a long time and are, mostly, reliable. But alluding to what Mark and Jack mentioned during the drive, that the technology advances so quickly that the first run is going to be obsolete is an obscene thought. Woe to the poor sap that's gonna look at one of these first run models in 5-10 years time and realize that their money is better spent just flushing it down the crapper than buying one of these, or any used EV. This technology is fascinating but vehicles like these aren't going to save anything, except the massive wealth of those who will monopolize battery manufacturing.
Picked up one of these but lost the house and level 2 charger in the divorce, so I've been living at the jobsite with 0 charge for 6 days now. Rear bench makes a good bed. Wish my marriage had been Ford Tough though.
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Your marriage is literally the definition of Ford Tough. Sorry though hope all works out.
Weird she would take the chargers since she is getting plugged into steady
Ford is built Ford Proud now.
When I watch other car reviewers, the thought that comes into my head is "I wonder when savagegeese will review this car." I always look forward to your videos more than other channels. I'm still awe struck from the first video of yours that I watched (LFA). It is my favorite car and one of my favorite videos ever. You guys deserve all the success you have yet to achieve and all the success you have achieved so far. Thank you guys for the good content.
Just saw another reviewers 'first look' at the Toyota Crown and thought this exact same thing.
He is called excusesgeese for a reason
This actually would be good for the majority of F-150 buyers that use these as daily drivers to work and the occasional trip to the hardware store, charge it at home in the garage and get a full charge every morning, a lot of people don't tow with the normal F-150.
You don't need to tow to need a bed.
Exactly....and possible tow a boat. I do like that you should be able to use the same stuff(camper shell, bed cover, etc) as it's gas variant.
Or buy two gasoline powered Mavericks or Rangers for the same total cost.
@@Parker53151 the pro version is 40,000. That's the one I'm gunning for
As someone that bought their very first truck, a used F150 last year, we tow and haul quite a bit. Some short trips, some longer.
Ideally, this would be our daily and for the short tows with maybe a gas/hybrid F150 or F250 for longer trips as a loaner from the dealer?
That would cover all our bases extremely well, but not really practical for the marketplace.
The biggest problem with this is the dealerships. I've literally seen these things marked up to $200,000. Sorry, but if I had that kind of money I wouldn't be driving an F150. Dealerships are going to kill the EV market. The same thing is happening with the hummer EV and Kia/Hyundai with the EV6 and Ioniq5.
The absolute greed of these dealerships (for basically anything new) is going to have manufacturers consider the Tesla business model.
The dealerships are going to hand the EV market to Tesla. Ford has to punish them somehow.
That is cap because Ford released PR statement saying all vehicles will be sticker price as shown on online.
This seems to be classic supply and demand. Dealerships are selling as high as people are willing to pay relative to how long the vehicle sits on the lot. For those that champion the dealership model, this is what it looks like for better or worse.
It's capitalism. They do because they can and they can because capitalism is in its failing phase now.
Who or what is really killing the EV market? ... Always look at the roots. ... The consumers as voters and practitioners of a mindset and way of life.
Quark: _"Let me tell you something about humons."_
Most private owners of F150s use them to commute, make a run to Home Depot, and take kids to soccer games. It's the gas guzzling family station wagon of the 21st century.
This is now the perfect vehicle for them.
Totally agree. I love big cars and always wanted a pickup as my daily driver/family hauler, but I could never justify the horrendous gas mileage. W ev pickups, I’m finally able to justify buying one.
Agreed. The automakers say people don't buy wagons. Well, maybe they would if they were not compromised with a stupid slanted roof.
lmao what they gonna use to charge the truck in the first place
THANK YOU! I've been trying to make that point to other truck owners who seem to be borderline offended that an EV truck even exists. Most truck owners use their truck as an SUV with a bed. The most "work" they ever see is some mulch for their wife's flowerbeds, a trip to Home Depot, and their kids muddy soccer cleats. Most truck owners are not towing a 5th wheel travel trailer 2x a month.
And doing that sort of stuff with a truck is simply plain stupid
The customer focus you two have, especially taking on different perspectives when thinking about these products, is refreshing! Thanks and keep it up!
Do ya'll get this truck in Europe?
To bad I had a first hour reservation and didn’t hear anything in over a year. I cancelled and then the dealer reached out and offfered me one for $35k over msrp. What a joke.
Sounds like they had it and we’re just waiting to make a profit. Heard of this before.
Capitalism! 🤑
Yeah well done mate, if everybody rejects these markups maybe they'll learn.
Now they will sell them for $35,000 UNDER.
I appreciate that Ford kept it pretty simple and "normal" for their first EV truck. When you compare it to how Rivian, Tesla, and GM have went and kind of leaned into that EV FUTURE design and feeling while Ford seems to have just made a F-150 that happens to be an EV. In regards to the charging affecting the electrical infrastructure, you make a fair point about how the grid can handle people chanrging at home. This was also a problem when everyone got a AC unit, but the power grid adapted and changed to be able to efficiently, and safely provide power I think it will be the same for at home charging in the end.
Maybe. But these things have a 100 kWh battery! That's an awful lot more power to replace than running air-conditioning.
You could quite easily run A/C , hot water, lights etc from a normal 5kW home solar power setup.
But to even half charge this battery would need 10 hours of full sun.
So if a lot of people start using these and other EVs the grid is going to struggle to cope.
Add to that the fact that reliable power sources are being phased out in favour of "greener" alternatives, means we could be seeing pretty regular power outages.
Unless you live in Texas 🤣
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Actually, funny thing... Ford timing on talking about the V2H system is... perfectly unfortunate
I am sure you can guess when...
I think Ford realized their mistake back in the '90s when the Taurus went to that bubble shape and the Camry stayed looking like a traditional car so the Taurus sales plummeted and the Camry became the new commuting appliance of choice. If they went with a weird looking truck like the CT, their customer base would have went out the window and they would have been saddled with the bill for all the new tooling needed to make it. I think it's a mistake for Chevrolet to go with the design of the largely unsuccessful Avalanche for their first EV outing, but I could be wrong and the BEV buying public may be ready for the different aero styling and utility features of that truck.
afaik power grid usage always peaks during the day, and at night it drops off quite a lot, which means the existing grid should be ok with people charging up their cars after they get home...the power stations would just keep running at capacity into the evening.
Incredible that in the time it took between Tesla announcing the Cybertruck and failing to release it, Ford has developed and brought the F-150 to full production. Crazy what can happen when a proper company makes an EV.
i have no sympathy for tesla but ford didn’t make a truck from scratch here.
Tesla is a tech company, Ford is an automaker
Ford has made the F150 around since like 1950 bro. Lol they just shifted the most recent generation to support an EV structure and powertrain. Not as much engineering as building a complete truck from the ground up.
This isn't a Fully EV platform truck.
@@outermarker5801 Tesla is a broker of environmental credits. Not a tech or manufacturing company.
Arguably the most important vehicle on the market right now. Ford knows it HAS to get this right. And it appears they've done a pretty good job.
The Dacia Spring is more important
100% Agree - a good job on a very important vehicle, given its popularity and sales volume. Ford certainly is moving aggressively with EVs by producing versions with some of their mainstay nameplates (Mustang/F150) vs new models.
Just wait for the engineering and production quality issues to crop up.
@@Loudlevin of course, it’s a first gen car with brand new tech. Look at Toyota’s EV - a crappy car with a silly name. Ford isn’t discontinuing the regular mustang or F150 but they certainly are taking EVs seriously by introducing EVs in their core vehicle lineup. A gutsy move.
@@Loudlevin I'll wait...they crop up for every manufacturer.
I just love you guys. Alot of stuff happened during the last few years for me personally but I always find comfort in you twos professionalism with personality. Your professionality if you will. I hope you guys stick together for while because you guys make a great boutique product that is unlike anything on RUclips.
You guys are THE BEST.
Been watching for many years. I'm a trade worker (Detroit Union Electrician) who has helped build most assembly lines here in the auto plants. I love your coverage of all vehicles.
Unions should be banned in America. They're like anti capitalist mafia cartels.
@@farzana6676 really? I think you know nothing about it. Stop being a jealous scab. Jealous I make more than you? I have a better living because I belong to a Union than if I was non-union.
10:47 - engineering explained has a great video covering that. most people charge their EVs overnight when there's excess wasted capacity (i have Georgia Power's EV power plan, which drops the price per KWH from 7c to 1c between 11p-7am - during the summer hours, M-F, 2p-7p it shoots up to 21c though)
Yes, this question has been answered repeatedly by utilities nationwide. Nighttime demand is dramatically below daytime demand, especially in regions with high AC use. Charge these at night and the grid will be fine. Of course Ford won't answer that question, because that's a question for utilities. Ford wouldn't have the details.
Who the heck is going to get out of bed at 11:00 p.m. to charge their car? I'd imagine most people would be plugging in their EVs as soon as they get home from work.
@@jdroofcleanpw You plug it in when you get home, but either the truck or charger are smart enough to know the time and you can tell it to only charge between 11PM - 7AM. Pretty easy problem to solve.
Right now there's excess wasted capacity, what happens when everyone is charging at night? What happens when they turn the grid off for safety reasons and you're suddenly dependent on the grid even more? Pushing gas prices up in order to entice people to buy ev is not how we should go about it, keep gas cheap or normal price and let the people decide gas or electric.
@@adam_says EE’s video explains it better than i could in a YT comment. gas isn’t expensive because the gubment wants to push people into EVs, it’s because there’s an import ban of oil from russia, which is part of OPEC+ and one of the main oil producing nations
I really want one but I think I am going to wait a few years. I question the quality of cars that have been made in the last two years due to the parts shortage.
I question the quality of Ford from 2000 on in my personal experience with them. The company works for the stockholders and the actual customers are treated like a necessary evil.
@@HighGear7445 Doesn't pretty much every company work like that? They cater to the stockholders while the customers and employees are (and I really like how you said this) necessary evils.
Ford sucks 😕
@@trailrunnah8886 No not really , it seems the largest companies out there are more apt to and public owned ( sell stock to the company). I've worked in several small to medium privately held companies and the customers satisfaction is the first priority.
Do that and the money will follow.
You work with a customer to what's fair for both of you.
Stock holder driven companies are beholding to the stock holders and the emphasis is on short term profits, not always thinking ahead for success down the road. I talked to the CEO once that ran a very large company ( fortune 500 I think) and was so disgusted with how the stockholders wanted the company to run that they bought up the stock and went back to privately owned.
He knew long term his company wouldn't be successful just aiming for short term profits. Money has to be spent machinery, software ect has to be bought so a company can hit the road running ready to take advantage of future work . Work products ect are always evolving and you need to be ready for it to keep up and expand your business. After 45 yearsthough I'm finaly out of the rat race.
I would totally buy this if they tone down the front end, and give back the physical buttons. I hate when every single is controlled via a screen.
A solution to the home generator issue is to get a Generlink. Then the whole house is powered and you can choose which circuits to energize. It doesn't require another panel etc. It installs where your power meter is and is a 1/2 hour install. The electrician cost is minimal. All mine did when he was here is give the utility company a small step ladder to reach the meter when they pulled it off to install the Generlink.
Damn. That looks incredible. I appreciate you sharing that!
cant wait until someone makes a maverick-sized vehicle in EV. perfect for my needs. f-150 is too big, doesn't even fit in my garage, and i only need a pickup truck to do small weekend projects around the house. an ev small pickup would be great for my short daily commute too.
Ford recently trademarked Maverick and Ranger Lightning. My guess we'll see those two hit the market within the next two years.
100% agree. i think the maverick would be the perfect truck to make a ev. F150 is a workhorse the maverick is more for the weekend trip to lowes
Maverick owner here, and what I really want is a Maverick with a frunk. It'd then be MY perfect utility vehicle.
Even a plug in hybrid Maverick would be great, give it 20-30 miles electric range and you would get the best of both worlds with a lower price.
With this kind of power and weight, this thing gonna be one of the greatest widow maker of all time...
It also apparently has bad braking so yup, it's definitely gonna be that.
Can you imagine the mess it will make of other cars when some nut job loses control of that bloated bro missile?
All the electric trucks, especially the Hummer.
@@Channel-gz9hm 😂👍
Not like people aren’t already doing that with high powered cars that are being sold now. Just recently someone swerved around me in some 80’s ford truck going 80+ mph
You guys missed how much it costs compared to a normal truck and whether or not you believe that is a pro or con. I'm assuming that long range package is going to be extremely expensive.
The base Pro model is $40k. That makes it the cheapest crew cab 4x4 pickup on the market (a base f150 crew cab 4x4 with the 3.3l v6 is $43k). Fleet customers can get a long range for about $47k. A long range XLT is $73k which is the cheapest way a regular buyer can get long range. A long range Lariat is $77k.
@@TheNotimprezed And the real out the door prices are well over $100,000.
@@kerplunk38880 it won’t be forever
@@JF-ns5zs this bubble will explose like EV 1.
@@TheNotimprezed Fleet customers are not going to buy this crap.
@1:42 "Ride the Lightning" lol this is why I love this channel.
19:10 Together with "Master of Puppets" as the crème de la crème (remastered).
BTW: What is the difference between a remastered and the original version?
Quick monthly fuel cost comparison, using 15k miles per year, average U.S. elec cost vs $4.50/gal for gasoline, saves just under $200/month. Plus of course there's none of the regular maintenance (and headaches) on the engine and transmission. And if you charge at home you NEVER have to stop for fuel again.
This comment didn’t age well.
Engineering Explained has a great video talking about the grid and electric vehicles and why in essence we can pretty easily keep up with the rate of increased load compared to the rate of Ev adoption as we have historically been able to.
In theory maybe.
People are just unrealistic on the rate of adoption. It’s not going to be all evs in 10 years. A gradual change will allow the for the grid to keep up.
Without nuclear power the future of ev recharging is gonna be problematic. Ultracapacitors will most likely replace li-ion batteries. They are far faster to charge and will either force society to bend to the will of the night-owls and reverse traditional work times to accomodate solar peak-energy generation or force us to return to nuclear energy with supplemental solar energy generation
Dealers keep marking up EVs and benching more affordable options like the Bolt, no one will have to worry about a steep curve on mass adoption. We've still got major players like Toyota and Honda barely in the game.
@@dr._breens_beard Capacitors are bad at holding charge for prolonged time. I only see them as useful for short-time buffer.
If you make a hybrid car battery using Li-ion and ultracaps, the caps will probably slowly drain the battery unless you disconnect them. But then they would only be useful if you give them charge time before use and the whole tech pairing so that you can make the li-ion cells with zero focus on high current ability. But then again... if you don't have high current, that also makes the cap charging take longer.
With the escalating scarcity obsession and efficiency craze, capacitors are basically wasting too much energy to qualify for mass use as battery alternative.
And I haven't mentioned the main reason yet: Ultracapacitors have much lower energy density than li-ion!
And they also need special considerations in regards to the voltage you are working with.
They are basically only good for extremely high charge and discharge currents, and this is why they have been used for such purposes in electronics for ages - as short-term buffer.
There are some open questions about the externalities and grid effects, but I'm impressed at how in the past 20 years we've gone from mass marketed electric trucks being purely theoretical applications to a series of difficult but solvable engineering problems.
Agreed, although they're still mostly toys at this point. I don't see the actual charging infrastructure making (non-hybrid) EV's in general practical for more than 5% of the population for at least another 20 years. I am pulling these numbers out of my ass, but it sounds about right. I live in NJ which is a small, densely populated state and 99 out of 100 cars I see on the road are still gasoline. Also, I find it extremely EXTREMELY hard to believe that the state governments are just going to take hundreds of millions of dollars in gasoline tax revenue in stride. The second that EV's become more common, is the same second that they stop becoming money-saving.
Power generation is the engineering problem that needs to be solved!!! And nobody is talking about that!
Engineering Explained did a good video on it a while back: ruclips.net/video/7dfyG6FXsUU/видео.html
Yeah, it's a big problem, but it's one that we can see coming a long way away and all the possible solutions are technologies we know how to scale effectively.
@@seanbond1008 I didn't even think about the gasoline tax money being lost. I assumed the electricity prices would continue to rise the more its being used because your going to have to pay whatever they charge in order to provide you transportation on top of electricity for living. Then when electricity prices get too high, some people will switch back to gasoline-powered cars, if they still exist at that point.
I’m sold based on the peekaboo shot. It really speaks to the quality of whatever product this is
I think a lot of people towing stuff accelerating slowly is due to them being careful with the load. You don’t really wanna be tossing your trailer around. I’d honestly still have ICE or Diesel. I have a Miata I’d love to tow to tracks around the US or even tracks 4 hours away. This would kinda be a useless truck for people who actually wanna do truck stuff with it.
We're a while away before EV trucks become "work" trucks, cost alone is enough to make any major contractor look the other way. I'd much rather have a throw-away base model f250/f350 to do work with for half the price than the lightning. You'll probably see a few supervisors and white-hat old dudes driving these though to client meetings and just around sites for the day but thats it.
@@anthonybaker9270 In reality this was made to be a huge, fast daily driver. The Pro model is insane value but I don't imagine they make profit on that. It's just 1k more expensive than a Crew cab F-150 XL.
Now you can leave your Miata on the trailer and still win the race 🥇 🏆
@@imnotusingmyrealname4566 Color me shocked, I was under the assumption it'd cost similar to the Rivian and tbh I posted my comment before watching the full video and researching prices myself. Still won't see one doing major contracting work for a while but at that price point I can absolutely see maintenance landscapers (mowing, trimming, etc) making use of one. Lots of stop/go driving usually within 1 quadrant of the city with minimal to no towing.
@@alzinifelshoni2602 Lmao gross. Road tracks not drag strip.
From the "fleet" perspective, I'm curious if single cab / access cab models will follow. I have no interest in owning a vehicle this big, but if their tech is quality and keeps improving, I could really see owning an electric Ranger or Bronco.
An electric bronco would be dope
Electric El Camino would have all the utility of a pickup without the barn door aerodynamics.
Electric Maverick and Ranger are coming, perhaps as 2024 models
I very highly doubt it sadly, Single cab sales only account for ~2-3% of F150 sales, whereas the crew cab 5.5ft bed config accounts for about ~85% of sales. With the current situation of supply shortages, high demand, and demand for the Lightning as it is (taking up production capacity)... I highly doubt they'll do it until either the next gen or when the regular F150 goes all EV in like 10-15 years.
Their were plans for the Bronco but for some reason Ford gone silent on it. Don't know why...
Last week, they trademarked the terms "Ranger Lightning" and "Maverick Lightning" in the EU, so make that what you will.
Just FYI it's Electrify America not EV America. Might confuse some users. Great video regardless.
And regarding the grid, the grid is expanding everyday. Off peak charging and virtual power grids also seem to be helping with that even more.
And that last bit which applies to a lot of these great EVs coming out like this is that you can't even order one right now.
You don't need some kind of $4,000 connection to hook up to your breaker. You need like a $500 transfer switch and can run like 6 circuits from your breaker - if this is strictly about power outages.
@@skellington2000 exactly. And if you are buying a 75k truck, you probably can afford a 4k whole house panel anyways.
Or maybe you sell your house to afford the truck and just live in it making the feature obsolete
My wife's boyfriend ordered one of these on my credit to go on joy rides. Good to see it's endorsed by savagegeese
Oh you are so #kind
You can't really "just plug" *ANY* sizeable generator into your house without "setting the home up" for it. I don't think it's unfair for Ford to tout the emergency generator aspect of this truck without mentioning setup cost. What I don't like is that this is probably the *PERFECT* electric vehicle for someone like me, but it'll probably cost $70,000 because everyone sucks.
I was recently at a local cars and coffee and they had a platinum edition of one of these out there and it had a window sticker of $139,000 absolute joke.
And they quoted $5k to set up home for powering by EV. What a joke. Yes, if you go with full automatic solution from Ford plus installation, probably. But manual transfer switch is a couple hundred bucks. You would still need to do some setup with standalone generator as well
@@Outlier117 I just glanced on AutoTrader for F150 Lightning prices within 100 miles of me. The most expensive one I found just had a tow package and a window price of $112k. There is absolutely no reason a truck should cost as much as a small house or condo! The "cheap" one around me was still $70k. It's complete nonsense.
@@tenhundredkills I cannot for the life of me understand who is spending that much for a vehicle like this & what their actual use case is. I would love to own an electric vehicle, especially this one but the pricing is absurd.
@@maximlg253 exactly. Before I even owned a generator I had a manual interlock installed. I couldn't imagine just bringing home a generator & being surprised that it doesn't magically power the house.
12:02 When I hear lines like "Probably one of the most-sold vehicles in the world" I know Jack needs to keep some distance from marketing reps, because whether that's true or not depends entirely on how long you make that list.
As for mileage, with this mix of gas and electric now, and both getting pricey, soon we might see these things simply measured in MPD - miles per dollar.
Speaking of power outages, that's gonna be fun, too, when you go to your vehicle in the morning and realize you cannot drive to work because you expected it to charge over night but there was no power. EV tech makes you EVen more grid-dependent, centrally-controlled. Conquest of the Matrix. Convenience is a temptation to enslavement.
To consider when you talk about torque mobility with cargo: Then you need to secure it even better, because if you step on the pedal in an EV like this while pulling a trailer, you might get an unpleasant surprise. (And/or the drivers behind you.)
my area is already talking about rolling black outs to deal with the everyones A/Cs blowing at max in our 110 degree temps, I don't need this EV F150s making it worst, SHEESH
I drive an F-150 at work. I have to disagree with the statement that visibility is good. The A-pillars are so thick and those grab handles block a lot of your front side vision.
Marketing visibility is very good. 😏
Loving the lunch dribble on Jacks shirt… TRUE pickup truck classiness!
It was actually sweat 🤣
can't wait to be hit by one of these in my small compact sedan. I wonder who will walk away?
Don't worry, this only has a curb weight of the Lightning is just 6590 lbs, the Silverado EV will weigh about 8000 lbs and the Hummer EV weights 9046 lbs. These vehicles also destroy all the roads by being so heavy.
@@imnotusingmyrealname4566 Try living in Frack Country. The oil and gas trucks have already destroyed all of the roads.
Sounds like a personal problem .
I’ve always thought it only makes sense to lease an EV, you’re going to want the update every 2-3 years. The phone analogy is apt.
That means you're never going to realize any economic benefit. You'll be paying full odds on the depreciation and turning it in before you reach the variable cost break-even point.
My Tesla I bought 2 years ago is worth more today than when I bought it.
@@fcv1967 That's only because the used market went crazy for the short term. We hope!
They can be kept if OTA updates happen regularly and don't require a trip to a dealer. There will be the limitation of lacking hardware as the vehicle ages but only like 1% of consumers have any experience with a car that gets updated. You buy it and it never changes from that day on, and those that always have to buy used cars have never had any of the most modern features. The best thing about EVs is low maintenance and you can keep it 20 years if you want without the ever increasing repair costs of ICE.
Most truck buyers that I know love their vehicles because they can literally do everything. I think the range and towing limitations kind of defeat the purpose for this crowd.
Exactly. It's a nice toy but it's relegated to city duty, which a significant number of truck owners won't understand. I like this truck, but it's so impractical, I cannot justify the purchase for how restricted its use is.
I'm looking to replace my 10 year old Accord and my 15 year old Explorer ST with this one vehicle.
I have a truck for hauls to the dump, hardware store runs for long items, hauling motorcycles. I don't pull a trailer.
I have a car for the other 99% of my life.
I suspect this thing will have to more space inside than the car and more space in the bed than a half-truck.
If the price isn't stupid, it's a good fit for my life. Plus no more gas stations would be nice.
Honestly, most people I see with trucks use them for “non-truck” purposes most of the time anyway. I think these will sell.
@@daviddavis1322 Looks like this is a good fit for you then
@@aarong6616 Yeah but use is different from why you buy a vehicle of this type for most people I think. You're spending so much money, you expect some sort of future-proofness out of the vehicle.
To me this may make sense as a lifestyle vehicle, but then again the Rivian may be better suited for that purpose anyway.
By far the best vehicle review channel. The reason why I have a Scat Pack Challenger now. Can't wait to see you do the EV Silverado and EV Ram
i love how they didnt make it look like some futuristic spaceship thank goodness
Like Homer Simpson designed it ? 😂
I hesitated and didn't book right after it's released. Now I'm couple hundred behind other reservations, at this specific dealership. That's how hot this truck is. This is the perfect thing for most small contractors, DIYers and maybe even small farm owners.
I've been yelling to myself how EVs need to look like normal vehicles to really catch on and I immediately loved this when they unveiled it. It's a F-150. It doesn't look like some weird futuristic vehicle like GM is doing with the Avalanche...I mean Silverado EV. I actually saw one yesterday in my rural area which really surprised me since I didn't think we'd start seeing them here for quite a while. It looked amazing. Hopefully they can get these things built faster and get the pricing down as the years progress because one would make a lot of sense for me. I do a lot of weekend warrior crap and I'm always hauling stuff in my bed, but I never really drive more than 50 miles a day. This would be perfect.
Yea, some of the EV designs are quite off-putting and seem to be different just for the sake of being different. Not everyone wants their vehicle to stand out and say "look at me!"
Personally I actually prefer the styling of the Av-Silverado EV, which is saying a lot because I think GM styling has been atrocious for the past decade. The thing I really don’t like about the F-150 Lightning’s styling is the fake grille. If they were going to do a fake grille, I wish they would have make it look more like an actual grille, and not just a big flat, black plastic rectangle. It just looks so cheap to me. I also hate grey interiors with a passion and sadly that’s all you can get in the Lightning. The Silverado offers some really nice multi tone interior with contrast stitching that look a million times better. I also like that the Silverado EV is bringing back the mid gate, which I think was a brilliant idea that was ahead of its time, but now fits really well with the modern “urban utility vehicle” truck buyer.
@@splewy As a Ford guy I was pleasantly surprised by the styling of the Chevy truck EV. But I consider its design to be inherently flawed.
I actually really like the Silverado EV, I think it looks better than GM's ICE offerings anyway. I also like the return of the midgate as well, if your truck is going to be built on skateboard EV architecture it makes sense to make the most of it and offer a flexible vehicle that can haul people and cargo as needed without the absurd wheelbase of a traditional Crew+8ft box configuration.
That all said I do believe that the Ford is going to be the most popular, just because of it's outward appearance of being a "normal" truck making it more approachable to traditional truck buyers, and a fairly good accessory range should already exist since it uses a standard F150 bed as far as I know.
You might not have the most subscribers but you have the right ones that appreciate these videos
Suggestion, please include vehicle pricing, talk about the warranty (especially unproven battery tech), the battery capacity/ range loss with age, and battery replacement cost if we had to pay cash.
@@yzhan225 I'm aware the internet can answer questions hence me being on RUclips. You're missing the point these guys do car reviews for a living suggestions like mine are not unreasonable. Ford has been testing this vehicle for years before going into production so they know capacity loss over time....these guys speak with Ford when they get the truck so they can ask.
@@chimrichalds1422 its not a black or white answer yet tho. No one has owned this long enough. Those ones they tested are just preproduction units so not accurate. Will need real life testing from now on and likely depends how the users charge and how often, DC fast charging amount vs home charge.
As usual, the best of the best in auto journalism.
114 yrs later, Henry Ford's company is doing some things that all great entrepeneurial organizations do: A. They're pivoting early on, and B. They're pushing forward and not listening to all the "naysayers" and "wise people".
No one ever imagined an internal combustion engine could replace steam. Henry Ford wrote in 1908...........
"They (gas engines) were received with interest rather than enthusiasm and I do not recall any one who thought that the internal combustion engine could ever have more than a limited use. All the wise people demonstrated conclusively that the engine could not compete with steam. They never thought that it might carve out a career for itself. That is the way with wise people - they are so wise and practical that they always know to a dot just why something cannot be done; they always know the limitations"
History will include and document, with humour, all of you naysayers and wise people.🙂
Any issues with submerging the rear motor when backing down a boat ramp?
Yeah Don't do it good point I never thought about that
They are sealed. People have driven Teslas submerged.
The wiring connections are behind a pair of gaskets and the motor itself is oil filled. They handle getting wet.
Metallica’s Ride The Lightning Album… I see what you did there! Great review, as always! 👍🏻
I can't wait to see the recalls and headaches with all this new tech.
It's actually quite simple design.
Gas engine vehicles are much more complex
@@DaRevrin 20k$ for a battery sounds pretty complex to me........
@@illreportbackinabit.8514 Not really, extremely easy to replace a battery. I'm not an electric car guy at all... but gas vehicles are astronomically more complicated and have many more opportunities for issues short and long term.
Always love looking at the infotainment and seeing what song you guys have playing. Ride the Lighting is a great selection.
Great truck! My favorite Electric Truck for how normal it looks. Having said that: a big turn off is the dealership network; they operate in such a shady way. I’ve seen what they’ve done with the Mach E, marking it up and eating up the federal rebate like if it was theirs by marking up the car to at least what the rebate is.
This will only be available to purchase online bypassing dealership up marks. They will follow the Tesla model. I can only hope this will push others to follow suit.
@@wiseoracle it’d be great if dealerships saw the bigger picture. It’d suck that the Tesla way eliminates some jobs from the car buying process
I can't believe how quiet this thing seems to be. It sounds like y'all are talking in a church or a library. 🤫
All cars sound like you are in an church, but sometimes the organist is doing their thing.
Love the thumbnail 🤣
FYI - I have a device called a GenerLink that sits behind my meter and allows a generator to be plugged in without having a separate bypass panel. It cost about $1200 to have installed in addition to the cost of the portable 12kW generator.
If you've ever been at a honky-tonk at 1:00am, you know that the acceleration in a pickup is a major plus.
Well Done!
Mybe that's a setting in the Traction Control - Dirt Parking Lot Peel
How long can you park it with the air conditioning running at full blast?
If Ford can make enough of these so they're available at a competitive price with ICE F-150s, this has the potential to be an absolute game changer. The full-tank-everyday aspect of EVs is the thing that should be top of mind rather than the lower "tank" range.
All of the EV benefits in a truck package is what will get Americans to finally start changing their "you can take my ICE engine from my cold dead hands" mentality.
Havent seen one at sub-110k yet.
@@dr._breens_beard Because you're blind.
Give me V8s or give me death
Single cab, long bed is the everyday contractor job. Customers around 100 miles distance, 10 customers a day. Will sell like hot cakes
I’m an electrician. I have a reservation for a Lightning. From what I gather, Ford has partnered with some company which I am assuming “partners” with local contractors to install the required equipment for powering your home from your EV. The first thing this requires is the 80 amp Ford charger which comes with the larger battery versions. What doesn’t come with it is the transfer switch. I’m guessing that the transfer switch has some Bluetooth or WiFi connection which allows control of it through your mobile device.
I have had trouble researching the operations of the 80a charger, and how it inverts to power a house. Ford has said that if you purchase this charger separately that other Ford EV owners can power their houses. TO me, this means ALL YOU NEED is that charger. A transfer switch merely switches power supply to another source. The same can be done if you have a brain. Most homes should have a main breaker or main disconnect. This will cut off the power supply from the utilities. Simply turn off the main, signal the charger to invert power from the EV to the house, and you’re there. This can also be done with a manual transfer switch- of course that is not as cool as being able to do it with your phone, but it might be several thousand dollars cheaper than a BT transfer switch.
All of the electronics that make the inverted power supply possible have to be in the charger. Obviously the charger can’t be powered by the house if you want to to power the house. Any controls required to signal a transfer switch, or get a signal from a transfer switch must be powered by the charger’s DC side also so there has to be some way to bypass or jump contacts out in the charger.
Like I said, the owner just has to have a brain trained to follow procedures. First, cut off the main power. Second, make sure truck is plugged in, and tell it to invert power. I would add in the case of air conditioning, that it is best to cut off your AC at the thermostat before switching power- regardless of how you do it! Then turn it on after power sources are swapped. This would be true for any installation. Reverse procedure when the utilities are on. With a manual transfer switch, you’d thrown the switch prior to telling the truck to invert power. I’d suggest a manual transfer switch with monitor lights so you’d have visual confirmation when the utilities are back on. Ford merely suggests that you use the company they partnered with, but it is not required. By NEC, all appliances are required to contain instructions for installation, so any electrician should be able to install and check operation of the Ford 80 amp charger. Best wishes to all.
I'm not a truck person but having driven a F150 XLT with the 3.5L ecoboost, I'm seeing why people love these big Ford trucks. An electric version makes a ton of sense for commercial duty for contractors and skilled trades, and as a personal use vehicle for commuting, family and occasional home depot visits, towing the boat to the lakehouse or off road to the countryside, there's almost no situation aside from cross country stints under towing where this truck just works.
Ford chose to “Frankenstein” the ICE F150 to get the Lightning to market quicker rather than a dedicated EV platform. Time will tell with the pros and cons as more BET (Battery Electric Trucks) come out.
As far as the EVs being a home generator, OEMs are certainly starting to develop V2x applications (vehicle to anything). As you mentioned, residential and businesses with chargers will need to be outfitted with the proper hardware, but the intent is to balance grid capacity/utilization and cost to charge. So for example in your home, if it’s a hot summer day and you need to run A/C during peak electric rates, you can use the electricity from your EV to reduce strain to the grid and reduce cost of running your a/c. Then overnight when the grid is less utilized and off peak rates, you can recharge your vehicles.
Still lots of develop required to make this a cohesive experience.
Wouldn't that tapping the AC into your truck all summer use up more battery life and make it not last as long?
@@mexifry222 that’s another thing that’s certainly being studied. There are many things still being looked at and this is an early technology - so only time will tell with more data.
You also have to remember that your vehicle will act as a supplemental system, not a standalone.
Sure time will tell, but a body on frame is body on frame whether you put on an ICE or an electric drivetrain.
Final thoughts with TRD pro in the background. Looking forward to that one. I'm not ready for an ev pickup but I admire ford for the innovation. Nice review...
I do think this can be the game changer for pick-up's in the rest of the world. This isn't hit with the insane taxes in Europe and can still tow a bit and be usable for contractors who don't do >300 km a day, and the most don't overhere..
Yes distances are shorter so it's absolutely a better fit for Europe. Sadly we only get shitty diesel 4-cylinder pickups that get like zero R&D money spent on them so they are terrible compared to American pickups. I actually consider importing a Lightning Pro from the US for Europe, it's just so good and tax exempt here.
Most people drive much smaller pickups here
@@imnotusingmyrealname4566 Yeah and that 4 cilinder's are just there for the CO2-taxes. I do think that if Ford is smart about how to roll out this vehicle in Europe it can be a big market and chance to set themself into the front of the pack.
@@thomaswood2390 partly it's handier for the bigger cities, but I do think also because of the enormous taxes. A loaded F150 with the 3.5 ecoboost cost >120k Euro's so it doesn't compete with loaded MB Sprinters or some high end VAG products.
this truck is way too big to be a hit around the rest of the world. There are whole sections of european cities where this truck is unusable due to its size.
Just saw a Lariat all electric at dealership two days ago. 81K! It was already sold!
The ICE models don't have a "range" per se, because they are so quick & easy to refuel. Their "range" can't meaningfully be compared to an EV range.
The range of an ICE truck to and EV truck can verily easily be compared and should be an important consideration in any purchase decision.
@@Parker53151 no, because refueling on a car is far quicker. The only way to compare is time to travel 500 and 1000 miles. Then it makes more sense. Certain trucks and sports cars will lose to high range evs who can do the trip without stopping. There's no way though 250 miles of range in an ev is equivalent to 250 miles of gas range.
@@Tential1 miles = miles
all you need is an interlock kit in your panel, just a few hundred bucks(50 or 30 amp breaker, kits and an inlet box and some wiring, nothing crazy, electricians just try to rip u off with a transfer switch.), but still i have a 12k watt generator and paid $1300 for it
This is the first EV I've been interested in. I have my 'sports' sedan, which I would keep, but this can occasionally tow my father's boat if needed and tow/haul stuff. I had to rent a Uhaul cargo van just to pick up my new TV for instance. This EV makes sense from a utility perspective as I am not a truck guy.
Unless you need that utility multiple times a week, people are still better off just renting a truck from a big box store/uhaul when it's needed. The total cost of this truck (monthly payment + insurance + maintenance (albeit less than an ICE truck) + recharging cost) will outweigh the cost of renting-when-needed by a huge margin, and you don't take up the space needed for a second, large, vehicle.
Very honest review for the practicality of owning this vehicle. Well done.
If you ignore the things they didn't mention. (Pricing and other things.)
Honesty is usually judged through the lens of courage.
6,500 to 7,000lbs, imagine getting hit by this thing. Truly optimal transportation for the single man commuting to work
A fully loaded raptor is 6400#+ a fully loaded and fueled ram trx is over 6800#
Full size cowboy Cadillacs ain't light. Hell the latest damn escalade esv is over 6500# now. 🙂
I am a contractor who is largely self-employed, and while I'm absolutely in love with the ability to plug my tools into my truck and store some of them in the frunk instead of on my seats or in a toolbox behind the cab, until there's an 8-ft bed variant of this, preferably with a single cab, it just doesn't make sense for me to purchase as someone who has to get all of his own material and then get it to the job.
For those of you watching this who aren't familiar with carpentry or general contracting, many building materials are sold in 8 ft lengths as standard, and while you could theoretically just lower the tailgate and strap things down, it also impacts your ability to put larger things in the bed, like 12 ft lumber, without having an unwieldy dangerous protrusion from the back of your truck or needing to attach a flag for safety.
I'm not well off, but not hurting, and I would happily sign up for the monthly payment if it actually had both of those options. Sadly, that kind of stuff probably isn't going to filter down to what would essentially be a fleet vehicle for years.
Great review as always, though. Hoping the folks at Ford give you guys more technical info since you are the only reviewers I've seen and like who actually take full advantage of it.
This is just the start, they'll have more models/configurations soon
As someone that bought their very first truck, a used F150 last year, we tow and haul quite a bit. Some short trips, some longer.
Ideally, this would be our daily and for the short tows with maybe a gas/hybrid F150 or F250 for longer trips as a loaner from the dealer?
That would cover all our bases extremely well, but not really practical for the marketplace.
Lariat trim with the extended range battery is the way to go.You get the full 10,000 lb towing capacity, longest range, and a very nice but still practical interior. They need to make a 6.5ft bed length version.
While I am No Fan of the EV Market (In fact, one could consider me a 'Conspiracy Theorist' with what I believe is happening with this 'Market' and what Government is trying to 'Exploit' with this Market), this is probably the BEST EV Vehicle out there in terms of BOTH Practicality and Functionality. Plenty of Horsepower & Torque, and they didn't change the Interior of the F-150 TOO Much. It's the Same F-150 we all KNOW & LOVE, Just with an Electric Motor WITH 4X4 STANDARD! (No FX4 Package of Any Kind, Unfortunately.)
The BIGGEST Downside of this Vehicle (And One that I think will KEEP this Truck from selling well) is the Battery Range. You're looking at 250 Miles on the Standard Range Battery and 450 Miles on the Extended Range Battery. I don't know about you, but having to Pay $20K+ to go about the Same Range as MOST Combustion-Engines is, and should be, a Major Turn-Off for Some. Lithium Batteries are JUST NOT where it needs to be in terms of Efficiency and Range Overall. Add in a Trailer of 5K Lbs. or More, and Your Range Drops to 100-200 Miles at MOST!
As a Result, I see the F-150 Lightning, in its current state, as more of a 'Status Symbol' kind of Truck. It's not Practical for the things most people will use their Trucks for (Towing, Payload Hauling, Work Truck Use, etc.), and Overall, Is just TOO MUCH Money for a Truck that Doesn't do Enough due to its Limited Range.
HOWEVER... This STILL is, from my perspective, THE MOST PRACTICAL ELECTRICAL VEHICLE ON THE MARKET RIGHT NOW. If you want a Electrified Vehicle that can do practically anything... THIS IS IT. Ford has hit a HOME RUN with their F-150 Lightning, but further Technological Advancements in Battery Power WILL Need to Happen to UNLEASH the Lightning's FULL POTENTIAL.
I'll stick to my 2017 Toyota Tacoma SR with a 4-Cylinder Combustible Engine, but I'm excited for the Future of Electric and Hybrid Trucks!
Fantastic Work on This Video SavageGeese!
"What happens to the grid when there's millions of EV's on the market? That's the thing nobody is talking about."
I crack up at this sort of comment because infrastructure is literally the only thing people talk about when it comes to concerns about EV adoption. It's a totally valid concern, but it's silly to say nobody is talking about it.
10:47 You already know what is going to happen to the power grid.
The cables will overheat and slack until they arc with something and cause a blackout, much like in the 2003 incident.
Almost every single piece of electrical infrastructure needs to be changed to support mass electrification...
And where are all the new nuclear power plants being built to support this?
@@prototype3a no consumer is actually going to want to pay for new plants and an upgraded system once they see the impact to their rates. Hell, the folks driving gas cars will actively fight it.
Not remotely true. For most people's mileage needs, existing infrastructure is sufficient.
Yes, and infrastructure projects are not planned for the rabble. That's some socialist crap, ha-ha.
You're gonna be told when you are allowed to charge. They will turn it on for you and then you say "thank you" and are happy that you managed to keep your social credit score in the green, which the USA will have because it must CoMpEtE with China. 😏
What happened when everyone got AC in their homes? Electric appliances? They upgraded the grid. The power company is in the business of selling power, so if you want to buy more they're gonna allow it.
I have some subs who are super into this truck. Total cost of ownership is insane on this thing. For example one sub has 10 trucks and is dying to replace them with lightings. When you are sending a crew to a job, last thing you want is to have to pay them to stop and get gas. If you think gas is expensive, wait till you have to pay for gas and for 4 guys to stand around for a man hour. Twice a week. (It does not take 5 minutes to get gas, plus it’s almost always a detour). Can’t even deduct the hours from workers comp anymore. Charging at the shop, on industrial or commercial rates is a no brainer.
150k of these a year won’t be near enough.
Sure if you’re in the boonies it won’t work for you. But urban and suburban companies are the highest and best use case.
Staying true to the brand with underside rust already forming.
Haha Chevy guy?
I’ve been waiting for you guys to get your hands on this. Great review- this should get you to that million subscriber mark…..
🤣 I remembered when my sister panicked (Though gas was brakes) and ran our Camry into the garage...
Curious how much damage these things can do in a traffic light.
I've driven one... It would drive through the whole house without breaking a sweat lol
@@thabrownieviking on the plus side, now you have direct back-yard access.
@@jayjacobl4667 helping cut down on home renovation costs truly a truck of the people lol
Don't worry, I am sure it can pull a garage just fine. 😆
I drive an electric standup forktruck and turret truck. Letting off the gas is mostly the only thing that stops them 🤣🤣
I have a f150, its as base as it gets, it doesn't have keyless entry or power locks or power windows. My wife has a 2022 hyundai, it has all the new technology in it. When i switch back to my truck, I enjoy the lack of technology in it.
Good to know there is still some of us out there
I drive a half ton 4x4 daily as my company vehicle. My average miles per day is less than 200, and I no longer carry 500 lbs of tools and parts around. I would love for my company to assign one of these to me, but I will be getting an ICE F-150 next month. Would have been a great chance for me to see if an EV would be usable in a practical setting.....
So approx 275 mile Range when new. In five years time when the battery has deteriated, particulatly if your in a cold climite what will your range be then? What will your expensive truck be worth?
Can you guys test the cheaper variants?
Good introduction & well done Ford. The major problem for Ford is that as far as reports say, they aren't making any money selling these things at this price.
I really would like to see some trucks and full size SUV PHEVs. It would allow you to be a parking lot princess (which is how most people use trucks and large SUVs) without using much or any gas without sacrificing towing range and capacity.
Yeah man that's exactly what we need. 10,000+ lb. fireballs.
@@RAZGR1Z the Hummer EV is so heavy that it actually uses more fossil fuels than a Chevy Malibu and it "only" weighs 9000 pounds, so stop exaggerating. A PHEV has a fraction of the batteries of a BEV so it'd weigh much less. If people are going to buy SUVs and trucks it would be sensible to at least allow for zero emissions for the average daily commute while also having the gasoline-provided range needed for a road trip
@@RAZGR1Z Wut? The battery pack on a long range PHEV would be a couple hundred pounds, and nowhere near as fire-prone as the gasoline system. Get your head screwed on straight.
Ford have registered the names "Ranger Thunder" and "Maverick Thunder" which rumor says are for upcoming PHEV versions, reserving the "Lightning" moniker for pure EVs.
@@RAZGR1Z engineering explained could really help your narrative
I love the casual cybertruck in the thumbnail 😂 didn't see it at first
This actually a pretty nice truck. I’m still waiting for EV range to hit that of ICE vehicles.
I think 500 miles will be that sweet spot.
@@Bonanzaking lol 500 miles? that would be increasing modern battery density by a multiplier of 5 under heavy load. We’re talking decades of battery innovation, if it’s even possible
And what range is that exactly? Most of the cars I've owned (Ford Fusion Sport, Subaru WRX, Chevy Cobalt SS) all had a range of 200-300 miles depending on how I drive. Many EVs can already match or surpass that range. I think what you're really looking for is a level of comfort in your use case because ICE cars have a mature infrastructure and quick refill time. The concern over range comes from charging times and less developed infrastructure. Valid concerns, but lumping it all into range would mean EVs need a 1000 mile range to be competitive.
@@Matt-tt4cu you don’t think someone said that a decade ago in regards to smartphone batteries? Time does its thing. Ranges are already nearing parody among some vehicles. Ill bet about 5 to 10 years.
Again I use the smartphone analogy. You’ll probably see small incremental boosts in ranges so they can keep selling cars.
@@Bonanzaking Couple problems here: smartphones aren't really turning potential energy into kinetic energy. While it is true, battery density has improved over the last 15 years, but it stalled out about 5 years ago. Also the economics - battery density grew about 30-40% since 2007, with a cost increase of about 70-80%. Phone manufactures also leverage China's labor to produce their phones - which is the ONLY reason they are remotely affordable.
Auto makers that sell vehicles in the US don't really have that luxury, and still have to solve the bigger problem of turning potential energy into kinetic energy. Hydrocarbon based fuel vs a battery is no-contest in that regard.
And back to economics: Today, virtually every adult in the US owns a smartphone by choice. And as of May 2022, still
Every “local” Ford dealer in a 100 mile radius of me in charging over MSRP. The Maverick, which was supposed to be a cheap alternative to larger trucks, is nearly as expensive at a Ford Ranger and the roll-out has been completely botched. I’ll keep my gas guzzling 1972 J4000 running for whatever pickup truck duties I have, and daily the new Subaru I just bought for $500 under MSRP.
I’m definitely interested in this truck , I don’t tow at so the driving range is winning me over 🤞….plus gas price where I am is over $7 a gallon on 87 octane
Recharging an EV during brownouts and blackouts should be fun. There’s a catch to everything unfortunately.
How much to charge nightly? 131khw (which you will use because who doesn't love torque?!) It changes how you drive (being an EV owner). It's just so heavy, I fear the nightly recharge us going to place some fear into ownership. Plus, is out grid with rolling blackouts capable of supporting this much power?
Nissan leaf 21kwh was about $50/ month).
I failed to mention The truck would only be driven 7 miles daily lmao
Move to a better state it's a big country 😳
Will be interested in how cold weather effects battery life. What is up with Jack's sweaty shirt halfway thru?
The 1st gen F-150 Lightning is perhaps the perfect truck for people who daily trucks. We all know many trucks sideline as family cars, and this will do that way better than its petrol powered variant.
It just needs to come down about 30K for it to be reasonable.
@@jensendkmg7209 That is never going to happen. Just like Tesla will never have a $25,000 EV that Musk said they were developing. Even if inflation eventually goes back down to 2%, the damage has already been done when it comes to prices.
*QUESTION / TOPIC REQUEST:* This might be relevant and a good topic for Fine Print: Battery charge cycles and longevity. All I hear is that if you avoid deep charge and discharge, the battery will last for more charge cycles, i.e. prolonging battery life. But it is never explained in detail. Does it refer to theoretical full charge cycles or to the actual narrowed charge cycles?
For example: If, theoretically, using a battery only between 40% and 60% charge gave you 8000 charge cycles and using it between 30% and 70% gave you only 4000, then it would be the same, since each charge cycle covers twice the usable energy.
Is there a complex curve with identifiable sweet spots? Or is the usual norm of charging to only 80% for longevity just a compromise decision by manufacturers between longevity and practicality?
Do electric cars (all) allow you to choose your own charge limits? If someone is only doing short-distance drives, wouldn't they want to cap charge to 60% to presumably further improve battery longevity? (I imagine, apart from cars, electric toothbrushes and razors would be particularly interesting here, since they almost always just sit in the charger. Also DECT phones or such. But there also seem to be at least NiMH batteries that are optimized for this constant top refresh charge.)
Also interesting here is whether what burdens battery lifespan is more the charge state or the use of it in a certain charge state. I heard 100% charge will by itself stress the battery, but how much does a discharge activity add to that stress?
To piggy back off the iPhone analogy: if the history of other, older EVs going onto the used/off-lease market is any indication then I think depreciation as Ford moves onto Mk 2, 3, etc batteries and motors is going to be one of the big democratizing forces for these trucks. Some buyers will always be chasing the bleeding edge of capability/towing/range/etc, while plenty of buyers will be happy to inherit yesterday’s new hotness or buy it at a big discount.
I live in North Carolina, and guess how many people I see towing something other then a motorcycle or a lawnmower? Almost none and no one I know is going to buy a $50K plus truck to beat up on and throw crap in the back and scratch up the bed. IMO,A this is for those who want to be seen in a EV just because it's the trend. The only people who really care about speed are those who jack up their V8 powered 10 inch lift trucks. And they wouldn't buy an electric truck.
How can the Cybertruck be loaded on a tow truck if it's not even real?
- because Elon says so.... 🤑
100 mile towing range and need to spend 20,000 dollars to replace battery in 10 years is a no go for me. Assuming the battery is still being produced. That 20,000 dollars is 4,000 gallons of gas over 10 years.
4,000 gallons of gasoline at the average 17mpg a full size pickup gets is only 68,000 miles. Over 10 years that's 6,800 miles a year.
Most pickups are driven twice that far annually if not more. And most full size trucks can't sniff 17mpg average either. 🤔
Also fyi starting in 2025 ev pack's in the U.S. are going from coverage of at least 8 years or 100,000 miles minimum under the federal ev battery warranty. To 10 years 120,000 miles coverage minimum. Some manufacturer's already cover them for that long or longer. 👍🏻
Plus they are experimenting with additives that can help heal dendrites in the pack itself. If those pan out in the near future. Ev pack's will last decades or more with retaining near new energy capacity. Not to mention pack costs at the per kwh cell level have dropped over 800% since 2010. So who knows where they'll be by the some time in the theoretical future when a replacement is needed outside of warranty coverage. 🤔
The general public that drives an F150 drives it less than 40 miles per day and hauls a few bags of mulch once per year. (Excluding the contractors)
My wife pays 200 to 300 dollars per month on fuel since she gets 14 mpg. We ordered an EV6 and even though the MSRP is more, we're paying less per month. Furthermore, the fed will give you $7,500
Great insight from all angles. Love your channel and watch every vid gents
I'm gonna love the Maverick EV 4x4.
The question about grid capacity has been discussed at length within technical circles. The general consensus is usually split into two thoughts. 1. Have "smart" charging network where in-home chargers operate during non-peak hours (typically at night when demand is low). 2. Plug-in electric adoption rates will track the power generation capacity industry where enough grid capacity is added each year to match the demand (as a whole). There will be instances where some areas grow grid faster than adoption and areas where the grid grows slower than adoption. Home-based solar systems with battery backup can supplant the demand for many folks in many regions at a cost...but early adopters tend to be higher income who can adapt their homes before industry finds the right push-pull balance.
It’s not a “one to one” replacement of the ICE F150, but then it doesn’t have to be.
I think this vehicle makes sense for a lot of people.
I hope it is reliable, reparable and recyclable.
Not to mention it is cheaper than Tesla Powerwall in terms of pure battery size. Apparently.
So it makes sense in combination with a decently sized EV panel system.
Judging from the amount of the new EV panels installed, I think there should be enough energy. I’d assume new houses will maximise the EV output. So the future is not as dramatic as it looks like.
The technology is there in terms of making more electricity and saving it for temperature control.
idk im getting 2 tesla powerwalls installed that can power my house for 2weeks. This truck doesn't go for that long. as for price it was like 12k total i think, also getting that tesla solar installed
@@salami99 Don't be ridiculous. Tesla powerwall is 13.5kWh. F150 Lightning is 130kWh. Which is 9.5 powerwalls!
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A Tesla Powerwall starts at $10,500. If you buy four or more, prices drop to $7,500 each. A Ford F-150 Lightning Pro costs $41,669 if you manage to find a dealer that is not fond of markups: $39,974 for the price and $1,695 more for destination charges.
The entry-level F-150 Lightning comes with a 98 kWh battery pack. At 14 kWh each, you would need 7 Tesla Powerwalls to get the same energy capacity the electric pickup truck offers. That means you would have to pay $52,500 on the Tesla products. Buying the F-150 Lightning Pro would cost you less and would also put a pickup truck around the battery pack."
As is becoming the norm for Savagegeese videos, and a really annoying one at that, is ABSOLUTELY NO MENTION of how much this car COSTS. Yes, I know, we're in a time of dealer markups and all that noise, but I'm sick of this unmentioned mentality that rehashes the old mindset of "if you have to ask how much it is, then you can't afford it", and I know I can't afford this vehicle and have no use for it to begin with. But remember, part of this "virtual" tire kicking that videos of this sort provide also includes peeking at the window sticker, even if the final price is nowhere near what's printed, and I'd rather not visit Ford's website.
I also have no use for a car that's a lease-only proposition that needs to be replaced more than a a damned phone. An F-150 is supposed to be a durable good. They generally last a long time and are, mostly, reliable. But alluding to what Mark and Jack mentioned during the drive, that the technology advances so quickly that the first run is going to be obsolete is an obscene thought. Woe to the poor sap that's gonna look at one of these first run models in 5-10 years time and realize that their money is better spent just flushing it down the crapper than buying one of these, or any used EV.
This technology is fascinating but vehicles like these aren't going to save anything, except the massive wealth of those who will monopolize battery manufacturing.