The cost of the AEV package is actually a good value. If you tried to replicate the same options, Bumpers, wheels & tires, skid plates, sliders, from the after market granted of lesser quality & engineering, you would spend that amount or more between parts and installation. So you can buy it off the lot with top quality engineered parts and a warranty cheaper than you can do it yourself.
I would add that you get a warranty that will actually be recognized at the dealer. In addition, the payload of a the same truck with all the same sort of equipment added aftermarket is the same. The fact that this comes this way means you’re actually being told what the payload really is rather than guessing or pretending that all that stuff you added yourself doesn’t have exactly the same impact. I drove the non-AEV version of this truck with the 6.2, but am seriously looking at exactly this truck to use as an overlander with a canopy camper. I am concerned that the payload may be an issue, but the fact that AEV has worked with GM and everything comes with at least some kind of warranty is extremely appealing. Yes, it’s expensive, but for what you’re getting it seems like a fair price. I’m hoping that the glut of pick-ups works in my favor over the next few months and that I might be able to get one of these at a more reasonable price with a bit of patience.
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I'm not a GM fan but this is a sharp looking truck, & I really like the 3.0 inline Diesel. And I agree with you Nathan, if I could get that engine in Andre's truck I would buy one today.
I think the AEV package is worthy every penny if you're actually going to use this truck off-road. A truck this large needs armor off-road. The the bumpers, rock sliders, and skid plates are essential. You're going to drag the belly with this. You're going to hit the bumpers on ledges. The AEV package gives you all that and unlike going aftermarket you know its covered by warranty and works properly with the safety systems.
I’ve ordered a 2024 ZR2 Silverado with 3.0 DuraMax. If I can get 24.7 MPG I’ll be elated. My 2023 ZR2 with 26K and 6.2L has overall average 15.2. Premium gas is $0.30/gal more than diesel. And the 3.0 is $2K cheaper than 6.2 in 2024. No brainer on 3.0 DuraMax!
This is a really awesome truck. I do wonder, though, if anyone who buys an 88k truck would actually drive it off road like that. It seems like there would be far more capable and less expensive toys to bring to Moab. Just curious, after this video do you have to have all the bumps and scratches fixed?
If I had the money, I'd buy it and probably consider taking it off road in 10 or 12 years. Definitely not when it's new though. I think short of being a content producer there's just no way to justify taking a truck that expensive off road.
I'd say its around 10-20% of first owners who will use this rig as "intended." Not a lot... but definitely some. In my travels in the Western states you'll definitely encounter people in very nice full-size rigs with slide-in campers and similar setups out on trails. They're not rock crawling of course... but definitely out on unmaintained stuff.
@@theinternets7516 so then what’s the point of buying an off-road vehicle if you’re gonna take it off Roading 10 to 12 years after makes no sense I actually had a AT4X never took it off Roading too nice and too pretty and too expensive so that’s why I went for the EV Sierra now that thing is worth it
I do a lot of hiking trails in CO in the summer. Bought a Canyon AT4X just for it. Comfortable, small wheelbase, front locker. Way better for me than a full size beast like this. Same off-road capability for $30k+ cheaper
Currently own a 2023 AT4X, and I love this truck. It's super capable, and it's loaded with features, and it looks good inside and out. not like the Raptor, that it looks dated.
Wow, this truck is amazing. The torque from the diesel is great. Rock sliders were clutch. At almost $89K though, it's simply out of reach for me. Maybe after 5 or 6 years, one could snag one of these for perhaps $50K used? I get it, the prices of trucks like this are high compared to what they used to be. But you also have to consider how much more you're getting compared to what you used to get.
I got 49.8 mpg on my 2024 elevation 3.0 duramax. Love it. I was going 62 mph, from tucson to phoenix and on 25 miles vest mpg was 49 mpg!!!!! Going at 75 i did 31mpg. Awesome truck
@technom3598 dude my truck show that in its mpg for 25 miles, I actually beat it and it's now 58 mpg. For 25 miles. That was in Hermosillo to kino bay stretch. Why would I be lying,I can send you a picture of it if you'd like. I don't know how to send it to you
If a vehicle is over 50K I'll just watch for entertainment purposes because it could be a million K and it wouldn't make a difference because over 50 is a deal breaker.
@@triedproven9908 For $90k you shouldn’t have to do a damn thing to it. This truck needs a lift and bigger tires right off the lot. That’s absurd for the top of the line off-road model.
@@Holden-McGroin 100%, GMC shaved their costs per unit on the tires...and is why I'm trading my Raptor for the 24" raptor and not an AT4X...I wanted to but their money is in the interior and whatever they gave to BumperMan
At 2:27 I would have rolled if the editor inserted the clip of Tommy “getting perturbed” at flattening the Land Rover tire popping on the rock. Also Why not call your Moab test loop “TFL Rocks”
A straight six makes much more sense for a diesel than a V8. The usual reason to have more cylinders is to rev higher, and diesels don't rev. Plus why would you want two cylinder banks, two head gaskets, two banks of intake and exhaust, etc. Plus you get less friction with a six, which makes it more efficient, which is what diesels are good for. If a six works best for long-haul trucks and even giant ship engines, it should work well enough in a pickup. Good job GM.
IMO, if you are not pulling over 200k per year, this truck is out of reach for most Americans. That includes me, but lord knows guys making 50-75k per year will finance this for years. Don’t get me wrong it’s a cool truck, just a HORRIBLE financial decision!
@@jefffawcett1626that’s the plan from the get-go by our current government. Pickup truck equals independence and they don’t want us common folk to be independent so let’s price them out of it, cause UAW strikes, supply shortages, etc.
I make 90k and own one of these. Yes, it was a bad financial decision, but if you can make it work, why not? People that make comments like this work minimum wage jobs.
In line 6 length kills that idea. The pay off in fuel savings is completely wiped out by an oil pump belt service at 150K (200k On the revised 3.0 diesel). removing transfer case and then transmission to get rear engine cover off is not going to be less than $2500. If the list of other things it is wise to do while you're there, like timing chain and guides ("ought to do that now, those won't go another 200k and we're already in it") then the price goes up up up.
Another interesting point. If you are getting an AEV edition you might as well get the colorado or Canyon because at that point you're not towing anything and the smaller truck is the better off roader. Unless you get a 2500 which is mostly for the looks.
Great job guys. I don't get as deep off trail as you guys and opted for the AT4 diesel. I've been averaging 25mpg and a best 50 mile FWY/country road @55mph+/- I got 36.4mpg! No Andre on this trip?
Great video and awesome test of this truck. GM has done a great job with this despite the cost! I guess now that you can spend well over $40K on a Side X Side, $80+K doesn't seem quite as shocking.
Thx TFL for testing these trucks. I would like to see your lifted RAM 2500 at MOAB. I can't afford a $88K truck, but if I wanted an offroad capable truck I would buy a used Power Wagon and go just about anywhere I wanted for half the price of this Chevy ATX. Most people that buy "offroad" capable trucks never take them offroad.
The funny thing is the 6.2 gas V8 is the premium engine option. The Diesel is now the cheaper engine. It's a no brainer to get a AT4X or ZR2 in the diesel over the 6.2.
I'd love to see you do an off road test with a GMC 1500 with the 3.0 and the X31 package, something much more obtainable to most of us. Maybe not at Moab but just more typical off pavement use.
There is a comparison video idea! Regular truck vs trailboss/tremor version vs zr2/raptor version See how much of a difference $40-$50k makes. Even a Bronco comparison could be good. Real world trail video like this
It would make too much sense to stuff the 3.0L in the midsize truck if everyone is concerned about fuel economy. Enough with the twin turbo setups on small displacement engines that are being wrung out to do anything but get groceries or go to soccer. The most efficient way to go down the road is to be overpowered from a low revving engine , will also have the added bonus of longevity🤙
I wish I could have the cash to buy TWO big trucks! I'd pick this one and the F350 Tremor! THe AT4x AEV as my daily off-road work driver and as a seriously off-roady-looking mall crawler AND for the big tow jobs the F350. Since I don't have that sort of cash, I have to make do with the company-car F150 Lightning which is a GREAT vehicle and does do SOME small amounts of off-road use (i.e. it tows surprisingly well even on FSR roads!). Depending on the finance rate of the bank, if I can get $890 per month at 3.5% per year over 7 Years for an F350 mid-trim 4x4 Lariat model ($68,000 USD) with the heavy tow package ($3500 USD) which I can upgrade to my hearts delight, we is good on a monthly payments basis! When you include insurance, you SHOULD ensure everything comes out to just under $1000 per month after a $3000 to $5000 downpayment which is doable by MANY tradespeople and contractors if you are grossing $4500+ a month! Keep track of your mileage, fuel costs and contractor time card and submit the info to IRS/CRA and you can get around 12% up to 17% back so you effectively have a lower monthly payment! In Canada, you go for TDbank vehicle financing for decent rates even with lower FICO/BEACON scores around 600 to 660 or Carfinco if you are lower in credit scores! If you are in the U.S., Wells Fargo, Chase and Bank of America are your best bets for truck financing! Anything above 660 FICO/BEACON credit score, go for Ford, GMC/Chevy, Ram and Toyota-offered manufacturer financing at the lowest interest rates for 6 to 8 years! V
What you have to ask yourself what options you want and if you took a base silverado or sierra and lifted it, new tires & wheels, added lockers, bumpers, sliders, skid plates, which wouldn't be included in financing the truck and covered with factory warranty, then compared the value or overpriced cost of a AT4X AEV edition.
The other side of the same coin. What if you buy a base trim truck with cash. No financing and then when you have the cash you add the parts one by one and a lot of the parts: bumpers, sliders, skid plates you can install yourself. Where is the value then? 😃
This price I’m getting a Raptor or a used TRX. Minneapolis has multiple used TRX for that price with less than 10k miles. The only thing this has over them is fuel mileage.
I will never buy another GMC truck. They screwed everyone over that had the faulty lifters in the 6.2L and 5.3L gas engines. I had a 2020 AT4. I sold it after my lifters failed and it literally blew up one side of my engine. Luckily, It was still covered by the engine and powertrain warranty (by just a few thousand miles). They put the same faulty parts in it for the repair. It would totally not be reliable on a long trip or in the wilderness. Could not be trusted. GM should have recalled all vehicles with these lifters. There are multiple class action lawsuits regarding this. Never by a GMC vehicle. They will screw over their customers for a buck.. I am surprised how many videos TFL has put out on the gas powered 6.2L AT4 Sierra 1500 without mentioning this. Of course this video is about a Duramax Diesel. However, if not under warranty it would have cost me over $9000.00. I liked the truck but it was TOO RISKY to keep.
I just commented on this issue. TFL glorifies Ford and GM but NEVER goes further to talk about the real issues, the billion-dollar recalls or lawsuits.
Because the lifter problem is massively over blown. I've got 98 000km on my 19 Trailboss. No issues. There was a small run in early 2020 that has bad lifters.
@@Getusom I loved my AT4. Great looking. Loved the 6.2. However, this is a common problem particularly with th 2020 2021 AT4 even though it has affected other years and both 6.2 and 5.3. I wish I had known about this before hand. I would have bought a 100K mile warranty and then I would still have it. I was able to sell mine and get a 2024 4runner Off Road Premium. Not as nice, or as techy, or as powerful, or as good looking as the AT4, but.... should be worry free f0r 300k miles with good maintenance
As a GM master technician, it IS a great engine! Great fuel economy and power, but and here’s the BIG but, it’s very difficult to repair and maintain. Gonna cost big money in the future.
People keep comparing the AT4X to the ZR2, but don't realize they are not equal. The ZR2 is more comparable to the standard AT4 not the X. Now the ZR2 with the Bison package is comparable to the AT4X, but it is not a standard package.
I don’t think that’s correct. The AT4 is comparable to the Trail boss. The standard AT4X is comparable to the ZR2 and the AT4X AEV is comparable to the Bison.
What are the differences between this and the ZR2? Pretty important piece of missing information. Was great to see you guys putting that AEV armor to use good information showing that it isnt just for looks like some truck accessories.
One main difference is pricing, Chevy would probably be cheaper than GMC. And you're probably missing out on luxury features from GMC if you pick Chevy. That's what I think is the difference between the two, but other than that they're pretty much the same truck.
I don’t get the 2 click method. Isn’t that topping off? I thought that wasn’t good. Wouldn’t you just keep track of how much fuel you put in to figure MPG? 🤷♂️
Diesel is an awesome engine if they would not make it so damn expensive, maintenance, DEF, repair costs, diesel costs. Its hard to justify them anymore, unless that is all you do is tow.
Big trip. This thing, the New Toyota Tacoma and the 4R TRD PRO. I would have been happy in the 4R. Would have been cool if you would have shown the Toyotas going up the "wall". Has TFL considered getting their hands on the Mahindra Roxor to play with? I think the OR community viewers you have would find that a treat.
@@davidporter7051I don’t think it’d be too awful difficult. BMW slots in a 3.0 diesel with very similar specs in their X3 among others and GM used to fit their atlas inline 5 in the first gen Colorado and inline 6 in the prior GMC Envoy and such. It could have definitely been engineered to fit in a modern pickup.
@@davidporter7051 In high school mechanics class, we stuck a 357 V8 in a Vega! It fit! We MADE IT FIT! --- I'm pretty sure I can stuff that engine in a Colorado! I'm sure I can stuff the engine from a C8 Corvette into the Colorado with enough welding and cutting! V
@@StarGateSG7 it's not close to the same. Can it be shoehorned in? Of course but it will mess up the ride and everything would need to be reengineered. Braking, crash, off-road, suspension, electronics, drivetrain, all need to be considered.
I hope you guys check the oil and report back on how much it uses. It's a great engine except for burning way too much oil. I don't think it's all the engines, but a lot of them burn too much to make it from one oil change to the next.
Well my old bmw 3 liter required a quart between oil changes and in its age a quart and a half. So if this thing needs 2 I wouldnt be upset. Especially when geting 25mpg.
@@triedproven9908 25mpg is nice, but burning oil a quality issue. I've read that some of these engines burn up to a quart every 1000 miles. It's just poor quality, or maybe a design flaw, for them to burn that much.
It's the low friction ringlands combined with the turbo compression ratios, it going to have a lot of blow by and burn more than a n/a application. But 5 quarts inbetween oil changes is alot.@@duggydo
@@triedproven9908 best I can tell, it's not all of them though. It seems like a large percentage. I don't think GM even knows for sure. I'm wondering if it's partially what you mentioned plus a design flaw that allows something to go haywire during break-in.
As like the Canyon I'm sure the rock rails have bolt on steps. They will be very over priced and you will have to order them after buying the truck from their GMC accessories website.
That truck is seriously a bad a$$ truck. I think it looks way better than the Ford Raptor. Raptor is funny looking how wide it is. Almost looks low too. Not a fan of the Ford, but these GM trucks have really taken it to the next level in my opinion. GOSH DARN are they expensive!
98% of those will never get off of the concrete. Just your 45-year-old soccer dads living in his cookie-cutter neighborhood in the big city, and the ones tinting their windows cole black so no one can see the baby seats in the back. At the end of the day that's their target audience.
They keep rubbing the skid plates/rock rails and saying that "that's what they are there for." And that's cool, but constantly rubbing skid plates is not an enjoyable off roading experience imo. If you hit keep hitting your skid plates, then the trail is a bit much for the vehicle.
You guys don't keep vehicles long enough to realize total cost of ownership. Your never going to get great range while towing. The DEF fluid requirements along with the engine oil consumption is incredible. The maintenance costs are also higher. Add up the cost the DSL engine option,the higher cost of fuel, cost of DEF, cost of engine oil, the extra weight load on the brakes and front end. Don't forget the EGR, EGR cooler along with the DPF and sensors replacement. Not even close with the lifetime ownership cost of a gas engine. The automotive press is living with a romance from days long ago. The modern DSL engine is going away, outside of towing over 15,000 lbs.
Geat video! Nice but expensive truck. Not sure who it's for. As mentioned really too large to be a good off-road vehicle primarily; compromised for daily use otherwise. And again a lot of money. You do get sort of a jack of all trades but definitely not the master of any :-).
There I was, doing some extreme mall crawling, and my engine failed with only 235 miles on it! Ugh, what a nightmare! GM says they won’t fix it! Blah blah, Toyota bro, blah….
What average person buys a truck at 90k and trashes it on the trails? Biggest mistake I ever made was buy a brand new truck. An old truck in good shape is worth more to me than this new truck with all its bells and whistles. Not to mention, why rock crawl in a pick up???
You pay more for diesel per gallon, you pay for DEF, and the upcharge for the diesel motor. I'd wager it would take several hundred thousand miles to make up for that "better mileage". At which point you'd have other diesel related maintenance items such as the oil pump belt.
This truck max tow capacity is 8500 pounds, if you have 1000 pounds in bed and 1000 pound trailer you can only haul 6500 pounds maxed out on trailer, thats horrible
Tommy's presentation is so very well done. Kudos to Roman and Nathan for doing the same!
The cost of the AEV package is actually a good value. If you tried to replicate the same options, Bumpers, wheels & tires, skid plates, sliders, from the after market granted of lesser quality & engineering, you would spend that amount or more between parts and installation. So you can buy it off the lot with top quality engineered parts and a warranty cheaper than you can do it yourself.
I would add that you get a warranty that will actually be recognized at the dealer. In addition, the payload of a the same truck with all the same sort of equipment added aftermarket is the same. The fact that this comes this way means you’re actually being told what the payload really is rather than guessing or pretending that all that stuff you added yourself doesn’t have exactly the same impact. I drove the non-AEV version of this truck with the 6.2, but am seriously looking at exactly this truck to use as an overlander with a canopy camper. I am concerned that the payload may be an issue, but the fact that AEV has worked with GM and everything comes with at least some kind of warranty is extremely appealing. Yes, it’s expensive, but for what you’re getting it seems like a fair price. I’m hoping that the glut of pick-ups works in my favor over the next few months and that I might be able to get one of these at a more reasonable price with a bit of patience.
@@anthonymrskipt9252 Yes and you don't get recognized by the factory warranty without an upcharge.
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Going for the "Fanboi of the Year" free T-shirt...?
I'm not a GM fan but this is a sharp looking truck, & I really like the 3.0 inline Diesel.
And I agree with you Nathan, if I could get that engine in Andre's truck I would buy one today.
More truck than I would need but great to see it perform based on what it was designed for.
I'm a bleed blue Ford guy but I must say that is a good looking truck with the AEV package
Here’s the best part about the 3.0 diesel in the ZR2 and AT4- it’s a ZERO cost option vs the 6.2L.
I think the AEV package is worthy every penny if you're actually going to use this truck off-road. A truck this large needs armor off-road. The the bumpers, rock sliders, and skid plates are essential. You're going to drag the belly with this. You're going to hit the bumpers on ledges. The AEV package gives you all that and unlike going aftermarket you know its covered by warranty and works properly with the safety systems.
I’ve ordered a 2024 ZR2 Silverado with 3.0 DuraMax. If I can get 24.7 MPG I’ll be elated. My 2023 ZR2 with 26K and 6.2L has overall average 15.2. Premium gas is $0.30/gal more than diesel. And the 3.0 is $2K cheaper than 6.2 in 2024. No brainer on 3.0 DuraMax!
This is a really awesome truck. I do wonder, though, if anyone who buys an 88k truck would actually drive it off road like that. It seems like there would be far more capable and less expensive toys to bring to Moab. Just curious, after this video do you have to have all the bumps and scratches fixed?
If you can really afford a 90k pickup truck, you should buy a SXS to go off-roading: more capable and less loss if totaled.
If I had the money, I'd buy it and probably consider taking it off road in 10 or 12 years. Definitely not when it's new though. I think short of being a content producer there's just no way to justify taking a truck that expensive off road.
I'd say its around 10-20% of first owners who will use this rig as "intended." Not a lot... but definitely some. In my travels in the Western states you'll definitely encounter people in very nice full-size rigs with slide-in campers and similar setups out on trails. They're not rock crawling of course... but definitely out on unmaintained stuff.
@@theinternets7516 so then what’s the point of buying an off-road vehicle if you’re gonna take it off Roading 10 to 12 years after makes no sense I actually had a AT4X never took it off Roading too nice and too pretty and too expensive so that’s why I went for the EV Sierra now that thing is worth it
I do a lot of hiking trails in CO in the summer. Bought a Canyon AT4X just for it. Comfortable, small wheelbase, front locker. Way better for me than a full size beast like this. Same off-road capability for $30k+ cheaper
At4x goes well into the 60s,your math ain't mathing..
@@Gonzo1968 $54k out the door. $4k off msrp. Not the AEV
Gm really is proud of that 3.0 duramax. So it sucks that it is so expensive, but it really is such a phenomenal engine
so expensive?
How much is it compared to the 6.2?
@@supporterofsanity Its actually cheaper than the 6.2L gas engine... the 3.0L Duramax is the base engine in the ZR2/AT4X 1500s.
You can get it in the regular AT4 trim for 30k less and it's also standard
Currently own a 2023 AT4X, and I love this truck. It's super capable, and it's loaded with features, and it looks good inside and out. not like the Raptor, that it looks dated.
Awesome job! Great video. I’m from the north east and cant wait to take my new Tacoma out there.
Wow, this truck is amazing. The torque from the diesel is great. Rock sliders were clutch. At almost $89K though, it's simply out of reach for me. Maybe after 5 or 6 years, one could snag one of these for perhaps $50K used?
I get it, the prices of trucks like this are high compared to what they used to be. But you also have to consider how much more you're getting compared to what you used to get.
I got 49.8 mpg on my 2024 elevation 3.0 duramax. Love it. I was going 62 mph, from tucson to phoenix and on 25 miles vest mpg was 49 mpg!!!!! Going at 75 i did 31mpg. Awesome truck
You did not get 49mpg. It is literally impossible over any stretch of flat road.
@technom3598 dude my truck show that in its mpg for 25 miles, I actually beat it and it's now 58 mpg. For 25 miles. That was in Hermosillo to kino bay stretch. Why would I be lying,I can send you a picture of it if you'd like. I don't know how to send it to you
If a vehicle is over 50K I'll just watch for entertainment purposes because it could be a million K and it wouldn't make a difference because over 50 is a deal breaker.
You don't have to just watch, dealerships are happy to let you test drive one. Even if you're up front about not buying it.
It’s a sweet truck, but blows my mind the mid-size gets 35s and this gets 33s. The Colorado/Canyon will run circles around the full-size.
Yea and it clearly needs that extra clearance because of the length.
@@triedproven9908 For $90k you shouldn’t have to do a damn thing to it. This truck needs a lift and bigger tires right off the lot. That’s absurd for the top of the line off-road model.
I agree with that.@@Holden-McGroin
@@Holden-McGroin 100%, GMC shaved their costs per unit on the tires...and is why I'm trading my Raptor for the 24" raptor and not an AT4X...I wanted to but their money is in the interior and whatever they gave to BumperMan
Proud owner of this truck.
AEV is going to be releasing a kit to fit 35’s… I’m stocked
At 2:27 I would have rolled if the editor inserted the clip of Tommy “getting perturbed” at flattening the Land Rover tire popping on the rock.
Also
Why not call your Moab test loop “TFL Rocks”
I like that, but Bowl of Death is strong!🤣
A straight six makes much more sense for a diesel than a V8. The usual reason to have more cylinders is to rev higher, and diesels don't rev. Plus why would you want two cylinder banks, two head gaskets, two banks of intake and exhaust, etc. Plus you get less friction with a six, which makes it more efficient, which is what diesels are good for. If a six works best for long-haul trucks and even giant ship engines, it should work well enough in a pickup. Good job GM.
Easily the best looking truck on the market, for sure.
Amazing mpgs! My diesel 2015 Jeep GC 4x4 only gets an average of 21 in the winter here in Michigan (mostly short trips).
That’s a sweet rig.
Can’t wait to watch !
need more full sized trucks, RV's, and earth roamers crawling around MOab...
IMO, if you are not pulling over 200k per year, this truck is out of reach for most Americans. That includes me, but lord knows guys making 50-75k per year will finance this for years. Don’t get me wrong it’s a cool truck, just a HORRIBLE financial decision!
Pretty honest take. These things have gotten out of reach for most working folk .
Damm I'm pulling 199k 😢😢😢
@@jefffawcett1626that’s the plan from the get-go by our current government. Pickup truck equals independence and they don’t want us common folk to be independent so let’s price them out of it, cause UAW strikes, supply shortages, etc.
I make 90k and own one of these. Yes, it was a bad financial decision, but if you can make it work, why not? People that make comments like this work minimum wage jobs.
I gross 285k rent a 1 bedroom in LA and can’t afford one lol. Everyone’s financial situation differs
The non AEV diesel powered 4x4 half tons from GM can break the 30 mpg mark so they must add a ton of weight to this thing!
I've hit 40 mpg. But it averages closer to 26.
That 3 litter diesel in the colorado/canyon would be amazing. Even if it's a less powerful version tuned for higher mpg.
In line 6 length kills that idea. The pay off in fuel savings is completely wiped out by an oil pump belt service at 150K (200k On the revised 3.0 diesel). removing transfer case and then transmission to get rear engine cover off is not going to be less than $2500. If the list of other things it is wise to do while you're there, like timing chain and guides ("ought to do that now, those won't go another 200k and we're already in it") then the price goes up up up.
Another interesting point. If you are getting an AEV edition you might as well get the colorado or Canyon because at that point you're not towing anything and the smaller truck is the better off roader. Unless you get a 2500 which is mostly for the looks.
Great video. Thank you! 👍🏾
Great job guys. I don't get as deep off trail as you guys and opted for the AT4 diesel. I've been averaging 25mpg and a best 50 mile FWY/country road @55mph+/- I got 36.4mpg! No Andre on this trip?
Great video and awesome test of this truck. GM has done a great job with this despite the cost! I guess now that you can spend well over $40K on a Side X Side, $80+K doesn't seem quite as shocking.
When the 3.0 diesel update makes it to the Tahoe, I'm in!
Thx TFL for testing these trucks. I would like to see your lifted RAM 2500 at MOAB. I can't afford a $88K truck, but if I wanted an offroad capable truck I would buy a used Power Wagon and go just about anywhere I wanted for half the price of this Chevy ATX. Most people that buy "offroad" capable trucks never take them offroad.
You sure about that?
This would be the ultimate plush vehicle to explore new areas looking for SXS trails to hit at a later date
I really love your videos!
The funny thing is the 6.2 gas V8 is the premium engine option. The Diesel is now the cheaper engine. It's a no brainer to get a AT4X or ZR2 in the diesel over the 6.2.
I'd love to see you do an off road test with a GMC 1500 with the 3.0 and the X31 package, something much more obtainable to most of us. Maybe not at Moab but just more typical off pavement use.
My buddy has the 3.0L in a Tahoe and is getting consistently over 30 on the highway.
Great review guys !!!
There is a comparison video idea! Regular truck vs trailboss/tremor version vs zr2/raptor version
See how much of a difference $40-$50k makes.
Even a Bronco comparison could be good. Real world trail video like this
Why don’t they make retractable side steps to tuck up above the sliders?
3.50 is not bad. It's 4.70 a gallon for diesel in Pennsylvania.
went from 3.38 last week to 3.89 this week in northeast Ohio
It would make too much sense to stuff the 3.0L in the midsize truck if everyone is concerned about fuel economy. Enough with the twin turbo setups on small displacement engines that are being wrung out to do anything but get groceries or go to soccer.
The most efficient way to go down the road is to be overpowered from a low revving engine , will also have the added bonus of longevity🤙
I wish I could have the cash to buy TWO big trucks! I'd pick this one and the F350 Tremor! THe AT4x AEV as my daily off-road work driver and as a seriously off-roady-looking mall crawler AND for the big tow jobs the F350.
Since I don't have that sort of cash, I have to make do with the company-car F150 Lightning which is a GREAT vehicle and does do SOME small amounts of off-road use (i.e. it tows surprisingly well even on FSR roads!).
Depending on the finance rate of the bank, if I can get $890 per month at 3.5% per year over 7 Years for an F350 mid-trim 4x4 Lariat model ($68,000 USD) with the heavy tow package ($3500 USD) which I can upgrade to my hearts delight, we is good on a monthly payments basis! When you include insurance, you SHOULD ensure everything comes out to just under $1000 per month after a $3000 to $5000 downpayment which is doable by MANY tradespeople and contractors if you are grossing $4500+ a month! Keep track of your mileage, fuel costs and contractor time card and submit the info to IRS/CRA and you can get around 12% up to 17% back so you effectively have a lower monthly payment!
In Canada, you go for TDbank vehicle financing for decent rates even with lower FICO/BEACON scores around 600 to 660 or Carfinco if you are lower in credit scores! If you are in the U.S., Wells Fargo, Chase and Bank of America are your best bets for truck financing! Anything above 660 FICO/BEACON credit score, go for Ford, GMC/Chevy, Ram and Toyota-offered manufacturer financing at the lowest interest rates for 6 to 8 years!
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What you have to ask yourself what options you want and if you took a base silverado or sierra and lifted it, new tires & wheels, added lockers, bumpers, sliders, skid plates, which wouldn't be included in financing the truck and covered with factory warranty, then compared the value or overpriced cost of a AT4X AEV edition.
The other side of the same coin. What if you buy a base trim truck with cash. No financing and then when you have the cash you add the parts one by one and a lot of the parts: bumpers, sliders, skid plates you can install yourself. Where is the value then? 😃
This price I’m getting a Raptor or a used TRX. Minneapolis has multiple used TRX for that price with less than 10k miles. The only thing this has over them is fuel mileage.
Pretty cool now lets make it a package so we can add to lower priced trims.
Just more confirmation that I can’t afford a new truck or SUV anytime soon 🤦♂️. Pricing has gone just insane
Maybe in a few years we'll find a cherry one half price.
I will never buy another GMC truck. They screwed everyone over that had the faulty lifters in the 6.2L and 5.3L gas engines. I had a 2020 AT4. I sold it after my lifters failed and it literally blew up one side of my engine. Luckily, It was still covered by the engine and powertrain warranty (by just a few thousand miles). They put the same faulty parts in it for the repair. It would totally not be reliable on a long trip or in the wilderness. Could not be trusted. GM should have recalled all vehicles with these lifters. There are multiple class action lawsuits regarding this. Never by a GMC vehicle. They will screw over their customers for a buck.. I am surprised how many videos TFL has put out on the gas powered 6.2L AT4 Sierra 1500 without mentioning this. Of course this video is about a Duramax Diesel. However, if not under warranty it would have cost me over $9000.00. I liked the truck but it was TOO RISKY to keep.
I just commented on this issue. TFL glorifies Ford and GM but NEVER goes further to talk about the real issues, the billion-dollar recalls or lawsuits.
Because the lifter problem is massively over blown. I've got 98 000km on my 19 Trailboss. No issues.
There was a small run in early 2020 that has bad lifters.
Well, unfortunately, my 2020 AT4 6.2L is part of that I guess @@terrencejones9817
I’ve got a 2019 with 6.2. Has. 38k miles. No problems….yet!
@@Getusom I loved my AT4. Great looking. Loved the 6.2. However, this is a common problem particularly with th 2020 2021 AT4 even though it has affected other years and both 6.2 and 5.3. I wish I had known about this before hand. I would have bought a 100K mile warranty and then I would still have it. I was able to sell mine and get a 2024 4runner Off Road Premium. Not as nice, or as techy, or as powerful, or as good looking as the AT4, but.... should be worry free f0r 300k miles with good maintenance
Nathan’s comment @ 7:08 👍
As a GM master technician, it IS a great engine! Great fuel economy and power, but and here’s the BIG but, it’s very difficult to repair and maintain. Gonna cost big money in the future.
People keep comparing the AT4X to the ZR2, but don't realize they are not equal. The ZR2 is more comparable to the standard AT4 not the X. Now the ZR2 with the Bison package is comparable to the AT4X, but it is not a standard package.
I don’t think that’s correct. The AT4 is comparable to the Trail boss. The standard AT4X is comparable to the ZR2 and the AT4X AEV is comparable to the Bison.
What are the differences between this and the ZR2? Pretty important piece of missing information. Was great to see you guys putting that AEV armor to use good information showing that it isnt just for looks like some truck accessories.
One main difference is pricing, Chevy would probably be cheaper than GMC. And you're probably missing out on luxury features from GMC if you pick Chevy. That's what I think is the difference between the two, but other than that they're pretty much the same truck.
6.2 vs 3.0 would be great
What's the tire size measurements
I don’t get the 2 click method. Isn’t that topping off? I thought that wasn’t good. Wouldn’t you just keep track of how much fuel you put in to figure MPG? 🤷♂️
Such an awesome truck but sadly I couldn’t afford it lol unless I get myself in debt lol
If you don't want to watch the YT "personalities" and just want see the truck in action, it starts @4:45
😐 How's the turning radius and the visibility, especially over the hood
Visibility is probably great since it comes with a surround view camera
Diesel is an awesome engine if they would not make it so damn expensive, maintenance, DEF, repair costs, diesel costs. Its hard to justify them anymore, unless that is all you do is tow.
Tommy is better off-road? I have not seen anyone else pop more tires or two on one vehicle in the same run and scrape more bodies. 😛
They arent even frame mounted sliders. Would rather get a 22 atx4 for 60k and go aftermarket on some of the components.
Big trip. This thing, the New Toyota Tacoma and the 4R TRD PRO. I would have been happy in the 4R. Would have been cool if you would have shown the Toyotas going up the "wall". Has TFL considered getting their hands on the Mahindra Roxor to play with? I think the OR community viewers you have would find that a treat.
Yall should reach out to matts offroad for the offroad games. Case and tommy
Getting the 3.0 diesel in the Colorado would be nuts. That would be a hot rod 😂
it would be difficult to shoehorn a inline 6 in a Colorado.
@@davidporter7051 it barely fits in a full-size truck 😂
Would be cool though.
@@davidporter7051I don’t think it’d be too awful difficult. BMW slots in a 3.0 diesel with very similar specs in their X3 among others and GM used to fit their atlas inline 5 in the first gen Colorado and inline 6 in the prior GMC Envoy and such. It could have definitely been engineered to fit in a modern pickup.
@@davidporter7051 In high school mechanics class, we stuck a 357 V8 in a Vega! It fit! We MADE IT FIT! --- I'm pretty sure I can stuff that engine in a Colorado! I'm sure I can stuff the engine from a C8 Corvette into the Colorado with enough welding and cutting!
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@@StarGateSG7 it's not close to the same. Can it be shoehorned in? Of course but it will mess up the ride and everything would need to be reengineered. Braking, crash, off-road, suspension, electronics, drivetrain, all need to be considered.
Just buy a LT trailboss and take it to 4wheel parts and do the front locker and it would do 95% of what that would for 40k less
90k? For a half ton? Yikes... I bought my 2022 3500 AT4 Duramax new for a lot less than that.
How can you compare a Factory locker front and rear, no other comparison has that.
Are those 35’s
I hope you guys check the oil and report back on how much it uses. It's a great engine except for burning way too much oil. I don't think it's all the engines, but a lot of them burn too much to make it from one oil change to the next.
Well my old bmw 3 liter required a quart between oil changes and in its age a quart and a half. So if this thing needs 2 I wouldnt be upset. Especially when geting 25mpg.
@@triedproven9908 25mpg is nice, but burning oil a quality issue. I've read that some of these engines burn up to a quart every 1000 miles. It's just poor quality, or maybe a design flaw, for them to burn that much.
It's the low friction ringlands combined with the turbo compression ratios, it going to have a lot of blow by and burn more than a n/a application. But 5 quarts inbetween oil changes is alot.@@duggydo
@@triedproven9908 best I can tell, it's not all of them though. It seems like a large percentage. I don't think GM even knows for sure. I'm wondering if it's partially what you mentioned plus a design flaw that allows something to go haywire during break-in.
heard the 88k price tag and now I am closing the video lol
what trail is this you guys are doing?
That’s Fins-n-Things
@@david935plum i thought so but wasn't positive. Ty
As like the Canyon I'm sure the rock rails have bolt on steps. They will be very over priced and you will have to order them after buying the truck from their GMC accessories website.
You can get a trail boss with the baby d for 53 thousand so this isn’t worth the price difference
Or just get the Z71 or X31 packages.
Why they don't sell it in Europe???😩
If they were to put the 3.0 turbo diesel in the Colarado pickup iwould buy it. Maybe 2 😂
It won't fit, too long. The old 2.8 baby Max was a great engine, too bad it was discontinued.
That truck is seriously a bad a$$ truck. I think it looks way better than the Ford Raptor. Raptor is funny looking how wide it is. Almost looks low too. Not a fan of the Ford, but these GM trucks have really taken it to the next level in my opinion. GOSH DARN are they expensive!
Is not the Silverado ZR2 Bison a step above this?
Basically the same truck…luxury equipment levels will be the difference between the two trucks.
98% of those will never get off of the concrete.
Just your 45-year-old soccer dads living in his cookie-cutter neighborhood in the big city, and the ones tinting their windows cole black so no one can see the baby seats in the back. At the end of the day that's their target audience.
lol baby seats at 45 years old hopefully not
They keep rubbing the skid plates/rock rails and saying that "that's what they are there for." And that's cool, but constantly rubbing skid plates is not an enjoyable off roading experience imo. If you hit keep hitting your skid plates, then the trail is a bit much for the vehicle.
Love the truck not a fan of the black on the tailgate
You guys don't keep vehicles long enough to realize total cost of ownership. Your never going to get great range while towing. The DEF fluid requirements along with the engine oil consumption is incredible. The maintenance costs are also higher. Add up the cost the DSL engine option,the higher cost of fuel, cost of DEF, cost of engine oil, the extra weight load on the brakes and front end. Don't forget the EGR, EGR cooler along with the DPF and sensors replacement.
Not even close with the lifetime ownership cost
of a gas engine. The automotive press is living with a romance from days long ago. The modern DSL engine is going away, outside of towing over 15,000 lbs.
This motor in Colorado would make me probably sell my RAM 🐼 panda my kids call it for it 🙂
BTW, I own a ‘22 ZR2. 6.2 I might add.
Chevy looks way better than the GMC….
Its break-over angle is 23 degrees. This is not great.
Geat video! Nice but expensive truck. Not sure who it's for. As mentioned really too large to be a good off-road vehicle primarily; compromised for daily use otherwise. And again a lot of money. You do get sort of a jack of all trades but definitely not the master of any :-).
I'd like to see those as heavy half that can pull 14,000 pounds
.4 of an inch woooooow
Or upgrade the front bumper to aluminum
There I was, doing some extreme mall crawling, and my engine failed with only 235 miles on it! Ugh, what a nightmare! GM says they won’t fix it! Blah blah, Toyota bro, blah….
Is it irresponsible? Probably, but I’m 20 with no responsibilities or dependents, I can more than afford mine
What average person buys a truck at 90k and trashes it on the trails?
Biggest mistake I ever made was buy a brand new truck. An old truck in good shape is worth more to me than this new truck with all its bells and whistles.
Not to mention, why rock crawl in a pick up???
$111,000 Canadian...good lord.
Ya I’ll keep my 22 trail boss with the 3.0 at 65K cdn
All kidding aside, this is what the Tundra TRD Pro should be, but isn’t.
Why are so many men worried about how other men spend their money?
jealousy
You pay more for diesel per gallon, you pay for DEF, and the upcharge for the diesel motor. I'd wager it would take several hundred thousand miles to make up for that "better mileage". At which point you'd have other diesel related maintenance items such as the oil pump belt.
Idk. Seeing too many tow truck videos about these and fuel pumps
They need to put on legit rock sliders. Those body mount ones aren't very stout 😂
The body mounted ones are fine.
This truck max tow capacity is 8500 pounds, if you have 1000 pounds in bed and 1000 pound trailer you can only haul 6500 pounds maxed out on trailer, thats horrible