Subway or monorail? Heavy rail supporters crash presentation in Sherman Oaks
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- Опубликовано: 14 май 2024
- Plans to connect the San Fernando Valley with Westside Los Angeles via public transportation and provide new options to underserved areas along the way continue to be contentious for supporters of dueling methods of transit.
The Sepulveda Transit Corridor project will connect the Valley to the Westside by navigating the natural barrier of the Santa Monica Mountains. LA Metro wants to connect the two regions by railway by either tunneling underground or following roughly the same path as the 405 Freeway.
Six options are on the table, with each varying in total cost, transit time, amount and location of stops along the route, and whether the vehicles are automated or operated by a driver.
KTLA's John Fenoglio reports on Jan. 4, 2024.
Details: ktla.com/news/subway-or-monor...
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Heavy rail is the better option because having a UCLA station on campus will have droves of people using it on a daily basis. The monorail options are completely unacceptable
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I'm not even in California, but why isn't a monorail acceptable? A heavy rail would take years to complete a monorail, maybe a year to complete. Just my opinion from a non Californian. Have a great day everyone
@@user-de1hg8cf6bthere is very little evidence that a monorail is necessarily faster to build than heavy rail. Also there are other factors to consider, like speed, capacity, and connectivity, which the monorail proposal falls short of. The fact that they are trying to push for options that don't have a direct UCLA station, which is projected to be one of the highest ridership stations on the west coast, should be a major red flag (it has been found that once the tunnel to UCLA is factored in, the monorail is likely to be as or even more expensive than the heavy rail!)
@user-de1hg8cf6b Yes, a monorail could be built faster, but the system wouldn't be as efficient. For example, it couldn't include an underground station at the center of the UCLA campus.
Another issue is that it wouldn't connect as efficiently to the new D Line subway currently under construction that will have underground stations at Westwood Village(about a mile South of UCLA) and the VA campus (West of the 405). The D Line is a heavy rail subway line. Having another heavy rail subway line to serve the Sepulveda Pass would integrate and connect much better underground with the D Line. It would also use the same type of trainsets saving costs and maintenance.
A monorail would introduce a whole new additional type of trainsets not used anywhere else on the LA Metro system.
Yeh and some monorails don’t even last 10 years without a major year long shut down to completely rebuild it.
No to the monorail, yes to high-quality true heavy rail transit.
It is basically monorail or nothing. There is not enough money in the budget to dig tunnels under mountains.
@@NovusodThe monorail is a half assed project that is slower, has less capacity and is projected to have way less ridership. What happened to ambition?
@@Marco-hl6gz There is a saying "Don't let perfection get in the way of good." Would you rather keep driving on the 405 for the rest of your life? Or would you rather have the option to ride in something other than a car.
@@Novusod There is enough money.
@@NovusodIn the real world, the monorail will end up costing more money for an inferior product with less expansion capability. And that's not even counting on the UCLA station issue. Plus, there is a question whether or not CalTrans would even allow the monorail to be built down the middle of the 405.
Thank God they pushed back. Monorail is a terrible idea. That one resident was right - you need a transit mode that is well connected to other existing transit AND that can move the most people, most quickly, often. Heavy rail can do that monorail can’t. They “crashed” the presentation. Such a weird way to title this video. Definitely shows where the bias is. As residents we have the right to sit in on these meetings and provide our input. These companies don’t have an inherent right to get our tax taxpayer money for their projects unless we approve.
I also noted how one-sided this video was. It talked all about the monorail, the benefits, etc., then said that "Metro is also considering other options," barely stating what those other options were. If you watched this video as part of a broadcast, you'd not have any idea what actually was going on here.
I would say someone is paying off someone...reeks of corruption
Subway is the better option without a doubt. More passenger capacity, faster, better locations for stops (especially a stop directly on UCLA's campus) and will be virtually invisible except for the stations. During construction a subway will cause no delays on the 405 and will only affect areas around the stations, when finished, a subway will not leave a blight on the scenery, not make as much noise as an aerial monorail, and be more convenient for everyone along the corridor. There's also no guarantee that the budget of the monorail will not balloon and be as expensive as subway because of all the complication of construction along the 405. There is just ZERO reason to construct a monorail! HEAVY RAIL MUST BE BUILT!!!
They need to get with Santa Monica "Mountains" and tell them to give up the hills above Reseda Blvd and the Mulholland Blvd, letting the city take over and connect those roads through to Pacific Palisades and continue Mulholland like they had planned in the first place all the way across to Topanga
@@ScrewyDriverTheMan That was the original HWY 14 that they were going to build in the 1960s, but the problem with that is it'll be 8 miles long, windy, and will require huge amounts of surveying, earth moving, engineering, and destruction of pristine open spaces for barely 4 lanes of road. Not to mention the crapload of traffic that will develop in Tarzana and the PCH in the Palisades. Then they will still have to drive east through Santa Monica to get anywhere where there are jobs and homes. Having a subway will be so much more efficient to get people between the Valley and the Westside AND connect people to places they need to go WITHOUT the need for a car.
In summary, the problem is not that we don't have enough roads, but that we have too many cars!
Not to mention Environmental Impact when going above ground
@@teejaybee8222 But it WOULD reduce the traffic on the 405 LMAO I don't mean to build a highway, just expand it into the standard city streets. I know Reseda Blvd was originally supposed to punch over and through down to Sunset Blvd, but the rich landowners won their fight and that is why the Mountains conservancy came into being. But really - at this point, what are they preserving? They have done enough damage within the "LA City Limits" as it were, why not build? They've built all around, and to solve this Westside problem, quite clearly the original ideas would have saved them this one-freeway problem we have now causing this bottleneck. You look at Topanga Canyon, Malibu Canyon, and then Kanan, you can clearly see that Reseda Blvd should be punched over, and Mulholland Blvd finished.
Subways are typically 10x more expensive than above ground…That’s one tiny reason…
Not a single mention of the major downsides to monorail nor the potential upsides to choosing the heavy rail option? Top tier reporting guys 👍
Edit: I almost missed it, but in the video they said the monorail can support 24k passengers per hour. This is a blatant lie. Their proposal promised peak capacity of 14k per hour. Unless they somehow turned their monorail design into a double decker I fail to see where this extra 10k magically came from.
Its almost like KTLA 5 gets advertisement money auto and oil companies who compete directly with rail systems!
local news in america is truly sad
@@RKreflex Wait until you see the local news in China! Did you know that you apparently eat rats with ketchup because of allthe "food shortages"? Yeah...
Kraptla 5
To be fair, they were simply covering the monorail meeting. It wasn't an expose on transit options for the Sepulveda Pass.
Heavy rail is the dramatically superior option and it’s not even remotely close.
Screw you KTLA, don’t put rose tinted glasses on the monorail, BART in the Bay Area goes 80mph and carries more ppl than the bay bridge. LA needs a REAL alternative
Check who's buying a ton of advertising from KTLA if you want to no longer be "surprised" why they are pushing BYD's monorail so hard.
To be fair, they were covering the meeting proposing the monorail. It wasn't an expose on the Sepulveda Pass transit options.
it goes 60mph? basically high speed rail! make transit better, not cheaper and crappier
@@mrxman581 Yeah, but everything about this presentation is biased towards the monorail. From the title claiming that supporters "crashed" a presentation, to allowing the presenters to state misinformation (the monorail will not carry 24k people, it will carry 14k people), this video does everything it can to push the monorail without critically looking at why the concept isn't so great.
A monorail system makes no sense at all. Just look at how advanced BART is in SF. It’s 50 years old yet it can carry like 72,000 people per hour per direction. And they have the audacity to propose a system with only 24,000 people per hour per direction. You would need to build 3 monorails.
their time and price projection is always a lie on rail ! they say 7 billion and 5 years ! history shows its 11 billion in 7 years at best !
I think Bart almost ended up being a monorail. Thank god they build it as heavy rail.
24k is a blatant lie: the presentation itself only mentions 14k, with a potential expansion plan (+1 monorail car per train and expanded stations) for an additional gazillion dollars that would bring max capacity to barely 20k. The fact that this wasn’t pointed out in this news report is outrageous - a representative just told them an obvious and provable lie and they just present it as fact.
It's not often you hear BART being talked about in a positive light, which really goes to show how _terrible an idea_ a monorail would be
Also that 24k pphpd number is skeptical. Their website says 19k, and last time I checked their presentation slide says 14k. It's either the rep misspoken or intentionally inflated the number for publicity
It seems extremely likely the skyrail rep misspoke and meant to say 14,000 pphpd capacity instead of 24,000 - 14k was the proposed number, and adding cars (which would require station expansions) and retaining the 2m headways - which were touted in the meeting so we know it isn't higher now - only gets them shy of 19k. Seems like either deliberate misinformation or more likely an inadvertent but irresponsible gaffe, as capacity is one of the (many) reasons heavy rail is superior to monorail
Here's the man himself.
What a thoughtful comment, you should make videos!
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I also noticed that. 24k pphpd makes the system sound far more reasonable than it actually is, and the fact that the reporters used that number in the video is honestly a bit disturbing, like they're trying to influence the audience in a particular direction.
Metro if you are reading this, please don't make the same mistakes again. Light rail may be cheaper and built faster but it creates traffic and it is painfully slow. Spend the money and take the time to make something efficient and lasting such a subway system.
Light rail has never been a serious consideration for this corridor. New metro light rail design standards do however limit the amount of street running segments allowed on new build projects.
The Monorail proposal will be less connected to UCLA, which makes it less convenient for a huge population of potential riders. The regular subway will connect to the campus and also be able to carry more people. Plus, if Metro decides it, the subway can be driverless as well, which would lower operating costs.
There are driverless monorails, as the ones developed in Egypt but heavy rail is almost always the best option. It doesn't make sense to make a monorail just because it's a shiny new toy for politicians, only if the terrain justifies it and it doesn't in this case.
It doesn’t even connect to ucla!!! Do not build the monorail
Those who grew up watching the Simpsons would never agree to a monorail.
how did i know a Simpsons reference wasn't too far down the comments ... "what did i say ? MONORAIL!" whats is called ? MONORAIL" "what about us brain dead slobs? you'll be given kushy jobs"
I heard those things are awfully loud
@@knuclear200x It glides as softly as a cloud ☁
@@GreaterLADashcamis there a chance the track could bend?
@@readyredpanda127 not on your life, my Hindu friend
Please construct heavy rail, it would make it possible to share assets and enable interchangeable operations with the existing metro system. A monorail is so random. Keep it consistent, there are already so many different transit vehicles in LA making it so much more confusing to navigate
Bechtel's Heavy Rail proposal would use automated trains and platform screen doors similar to Sydney Metro or Montreal REM. They wouldn't be compatible with LA's current subway stock. Though that's not a reason against HR, it's actually why we *should* build it that way. We deserve nice things.
@@botmes4044 apparently the loading gauge of the rolling stock Bechtel might use is similar enough to that of the current LA Metro subway that if they made the proper upgrades to the B & D lines, they could run the same trains as the Sepulveda Line.
@@adianchowdhury9016 then let's hope that the existing stations, and those being built for the Wilshire line, are compatible with platform screen doors. Given the length of the trainsets, and 90 sec automated operation, we could have a Metro system in LA that rivals Hong Kong or Moscow or Paris ligne 14 in capacity (though not demand... yet)
Gadgetbahn: A public transport concept or implementation that is touted by its developers and supporters as futuristic or innovative, but in practice is less feasible, reliable, and more expensive than traditional modes such as buses, trams and trains.
Choosing the monorail because it's cheaper and they can get it done sooner seems extremely short sighted. No one is going to care about those things 30 years from now, they're just going to care about the experience riding it. If it sucks to use, what's even the point?
Yep and the monorail’s top speed of 60mph is completely dwarfed by the subways 90mph top speed.
Why not build an American first Trackless Tram line between the Harbor Gateway Transit Centre and Van Nuys via Sepulveda Blvd and the I-405, and would include a stop at the LAX/Metro Transit Center. The line would run in the middle of the I-405 corridor similar to the Silver line, but instead of buses, we use trackless trams, similar to the ones being built in China or the Swiss made ones being built for Brisbane. Building this new line would also include safety upgrades to the I-405. Even better, it will significantly reduce congestion on the I-405 and will have connections with the C, K, E, G BRT, J BRT, D extension, LAX Peoplemover & Metrolink as well as transfers to numerous Bus services. The Trackless Tram line would serve San Fernando Valley, UCLA Campus, West LA VA Medical Center & Westfield Culver City , LAX Airport and Harbour Gateway. This would be cheap and still function as as efficiently as a heavy rail line. As the trackless tram can operate on normal roads, they can also take detours due to disruption or construction works and because of this, less expensive upgrades will be required to expand and maintain it. It can also be battery powered with flash chargers at each stop and could also use solar panels to help generate power. Think of the charging points as stopping over for a quick drink during a run to keep you going. I think if they build this Trackless Tram line, then people will come and use it. It will also save a lot of people from having to go downtown just to connect between services.
Hm, yes let's build a painfully slow Monorail with such little connectivity, using CRRC technology that is banned in the US due to its Unreliability. Let's do this for the idiots who are so rich, they never even stepped foot on public transport, yet alone even understand what its there for.
We also need to think in a future extension to LAX if we really want a world class transportation in LAX it most be heavy rail !!
Monorail would be worse in ever way: speed, capacity, and station locations. Metro please build the subway
RM Transit should review this.
But yeah, a Monorail is not the answer.
It doesn’t connect with the other lines as well, you will need completely new rolling stock, adding new lines and connectivity will be more complicated in the long run….even if it looks futuristic and looks cheaper up front in the long run it will be costly mistake.
He did he they borrow about “The Transit LA needs, and the Monorail it Doesn’t”
@@TheRandCrews ohhhhhhh ok must have missed it!
Why not build an American first Trackless Tram line between the Harbor Gateway Transit Centre and Van Nuys via Sepulveda Blvd and the I-405, and would include a stop at the LAX/Metro Transit Center. The line would run in the middle of the I-405 corridor similar to the Silver line, but instead of buses, we use trackless trams, similar to the ones being built in China or the Swiss made ones being built for Brisbane. Building this new line would also include safety upgrades to the I-405. Even better, it will significantly reduce congestion on the I-405 and will have connections with the C, K, E, G BRT, J BRT, D extension, LAX Peoplemover & Metrolink as well as transfers to numerous Bus services. The Trackless Tram line would serve San Fernando Valley, UCLA Campus, West LA VA Medical Center & Westfield Culver City , LAX Airport and Harbour Gateway. This would be cheap and still function as as efficiently as a heavy rail line. As the trackless tram can operate on normal roads, they can also take detours due to disruption or construction works and because of this, less expensive upgrades will be required to expand and maintain it. It can also be battery powered with flash chargers at each stop and could also use solar panels to help generate power. Think of the charging points as stopping over for a quick drink during a run to keep you going. I think if they build this Trackless Tram line, then people will come and use it. It will also save a lot of people from having to go downtown just to connect between services.
He did, but he mentions a youtuber named Nandert, who does more coverage on the topic.
@@electro_sykes what is with your obsession with trackless trams? It’s at upgraded bus at best and practically a trolley bus, which has less capacity than Light Rail, Monorail, and Subway. Even if it runs on I-405, it would need a massive overhaul to have it exit and go on local roads to connect to all those stations. Exactly, how would it serve efficiently and effectively like a heavy rail subway? You would needs a lot of drivers and vehciles to cope with such demand and capacity as a subway, not to help it does not have the advantages of rail with a more direct dedicated route. This is clearly another example of wanting a similar system as other cities thinking it will be feasible in Los Angeles, let alone the Sepulveda corridor.
Didn’t Metro learn from that episode of The Simpsons that a monorail was a big disaster for the city.
And like on the Simpsons with Main Street, the 405 will be just as bad after the project is done.
The monorail company is fudging the numbers. All of metro’s studies are saying the ridership would be abysmal compared to the heavy rail options, and no one wants to wait for a train in the middle of the 405, let alone more construction on the 405
If monorails are so great then why doesn't every city have them? There's a reason why you only really see them in amusement parks, airports and fairgrounds. Sydney, Australia had a monorail in its downtown area...then it closed down and got dismantled.
A friend of mine used to operate the Disneyland Monorail in the late '90s-early '00s. They're not perfect machines, they break down, they get flat tires (yes, they run on rubber tires that hug the rail) and if you need to evacuate one immediately due to an emergency like a fire or an earthquake...well, you're SOL.
@@JaimeValladares00 Ah, but they are the obvious exceptions and not the rule. Japan, Spain and Germany have way more Metro (heavy rail) systems than they do monorails. In the case of Wuppertal, Germany, a monorail probably does make sense there since the entire city is located in a narrow river valley. But not every city in the world is located in a narrow river valley.
They keep trying to go with the options that are band-aids to real problems.
Heavy Rail > Monorail. It may take longer, but it's the better and more sustainable option.
Byd…. That’s a Chinese company
Caltrans has not given any indication at all that it would even approve the Chinese monorail's on top of the 405. How cab BYD keep pushing this option when it hasnt even received basic approvals?
CASH BRIBERY, duh. LMAO
I don't even think their proposal is congruent with Caltran's design standards
Crash? Really? It’s hardly crashing the presentation when it’s the obvious and overwhelmingly supported option. Over 90% of LA locals prefer the traditional heavy rail. BYD is notorious for over promising and under delivering after heavy lobbying. Besides, it’s not worth it to do it cheaply if it’s not done right! Their ridership numbers don’t hold up compared to heavy rail in the slightest, and that budget/yielded ridership difference shrinks up really quickly when the necessary UCLA connection is taken into account. Build the heavy rail!!!
Heavy lobbying= bribes
I’m from Bangkok. We just got 2 new train routes using the monorail and I gotta say no more monorail. Recently there’s a news talking about conductor rails and train tire falling off and hit the street, no safety at all compared to heavy rail. The train is also small and shaky.
Yes, a monorail could be built faster, but the system wouldn't be as efficient. For example, it couldn't include an underground station at the center of the UCLA campus.
Another issue is that it wouldn't connect as efficiently to the new D Line subway currently under construction that will have underground stations at Westwood Village(about a mile South of UCLA) and the VA campus (West of the 405). The D Line is a heavy rail subway line. Having another heavy rail subway line to serve the Sepulveda Pass would integrate and connect much better underground with the D Line. It would also use the same type of trainsets saving costs and maintenance.
A monorail would introduce a whole new additional type of trainsets not used anywhere else on the LA Metro system.
The speedy, low cost construction assumes CalTrans will approve the proposal without changes, which won't happen. CalTrans hates rail being run down the freeways they control and requires lots of costly and time consuming changes.
“It will be built faster”. I heard the exactly same thing when São Paulo Metro decided to build monorail instead of heavy rail on some lines. The result:
The Line 15 was built, but it has problems constantly.
The Line 14 has being in construction for the last 10 years and we still haven’t a clear ending date.
Subway is better, will carry more people and the construction method is proven.
How come the largest metropolitan area in the USA cannot even fund a train. Its ridiculous. Almost as ridiculous as funding hyperloops and boring tunnels.
The largest metropolitan area in the US (LA) has had the largest transit construction program in the US for over 30 years already. So you can’t say that they haven’t built a train since they’ve already laid over 109 miles of track and opened 101 stations since 1990, not including the 500 miles of track and 62 stations that Metrolink covers.
Subway is cheaper 😂
The 405 is still cracked and broken. Hopefully, the mob will go against this plan. I’d rather see a subway than some slow monorail going down the 405.
There’s another roadway plan that is separate from this. Please go whine instead about things you understand.
1:50 last time I checked, the number was 19k passengers per hour per direction. Did I miss something or did he misspoken?
If they used light rail on that corridor, at least it's got commonality with the other lines. Monorail? Seriously?
Nooooooooooooooooo
TUNNEL under the Sepulveda Pass!!!!!
YESSSSS TUNNEL UNDER THE SEPULVEDA PASS!
Monorail is almost a gadgetbahn that only works on specific situations. There's a reason why true heavy rail transit is the best almost literally everywhere on the planet : BECAUSE IT IS.
You can hire a bunch of engineers and make them reinvent transit again and again, eventually they'll end up with a metro/train because it's almost always the most efficient way of moving lots of people and lots of stuff.
Crazy to think that I spent thousands of hours on the stretch of the 405 between the 101 to the 10 freeway in a car and stuck in traffic. Then I got a motorcycle and even and I got my time back at a risk ofc, but time is precious. I feel bad for those that have to drive that every day. It's truly a nightmare.
Why in God's name would we spend money on a Monorail when we can build a subway?
Don't use Monorail!! Build the Heavy rail then develop the community heavily around the stations. This is the future.
This is what is known as a gadgetbahn, sold as an innovation but not reliable and way more expensive than normal ways of transportation, despite the fact i don't oppose the building of a monorail, that shouldn't be built here because a city like LA need mass transit.
My main issue is the placement of it on the freeway thus why it's cheaper but it won't directly connect to UCLA, UCLA Hospital, Westwood wilshire, and purple line being built. You'll need to get on a bus or build a people mover adding more time, money, inconvenienc to rider. The monorail could ģo underground when it gets to UCLA but then gets expensive adding that thus not a much cheaper option. So just do it right the first time
we need to not get into bed with these Chinese companies....
They already paying off some board members, politicians , and their own lobbyists.
What is this corporate BYD propaganda? Why is KTLA giving BYD a pass for lying about the cost and capacity of the monorail? What's wrong with you people????
We used to plan a monorail for Jakarta, however it was abandoned due to it's complexity. Now we have an LRT system since August 2023 from Dukuh Atas branching into Jatimulya and Harjamukti. The LRT was chosen because of it's simpler switching system, easy maintenance and a higher capacity than the monorail. Also, the trainsets are homemade, something that's impossible if it's a monorail.
Monorail will be expensive long term it’s so impractical… we need real rail
This video title stinks of bias. The locals were consulted and they gave their informed statements. The negative connotation of the word "crash" implies some sort of protest which didn't happen at all. Both sides were civil. There were barely anything about the pros of heavy rail, no cons on the monorail. They also weren't just heavy rail supporters (they have lived experiences hence their opposition) but they were reduced to simply that. Thank goodness I'm educated.
That monorail is even being considered is insane.
Heavy rail is the only option
Just because you can build something faster and more affordably does not mean it will be beneficial in the long run. I will always support a metro system over a monorail. Monorails are not as easy to maintain as normal trains which can make them more expensive in the long run.
Seethe
a subway would be so much smarter..
Minimal disruption to 405? They literally want to build the monorail in the middle of the 405
Just build heavy rail, sheesh.
a monorail is a terrible solution, even if heavy rail is expensive up front, the capacity will 100% make up for it. This is going to be a heavily used train no matter what, and a monorail will just make riding it a pain. LA needs to think long term, not just try to save a bit of money up front.
"Heavy rail supporters 'crash' public consultation specifically asking for community feedback" Yeah non-biased title for sure.
Honestly why not consider automated elevated metro, like in vancouver or montreal?
Exactly!
I'd be fine with an elevated heavy rail line down the median of the 405. It seems a lot more cost effective than tunneling.
No monorail!
Building transit along freeways is worthless. It saves money on the right-of-way, but nobody will use it because people don't walk around freeways. Paying less for worthless transit is just a waste of money.
yes & no. so you need lines that connect neighborhoods together, and they don't always have to be near major sites, these minor lines make it easier to get to the major lines. Yes, I do agree a whole line that is on a freeway can be bad, but if not used correctly. I still need to see the plans of this, but if it connects with some of the rail lines and major bus lines, then it is a win. If it does not, it is a loss. Also, I am not 100% on monorail. I can not give an honest opinion on it bc I have not done enough hw on it. But if people want more people, maybe longer trains or slightly bigger train carts. I don't wanna say 100% no on this idea, but I think it can help but isn't totally dead, can be an idea to add on to our goals for transportation.
Have you actually seen the area proposed for it construction or you just taking this face value? It only has transit freeways for it’s mountain portion and doesn’t even have stops unless for the monorail
Also can’t forget that CalTrans won’t give skyrail construction permits because the monorail people forgot to consult CalTrans clearance requirements.
The monorail is such a terrible option. Heavy rail is the only alternative worth investing in
Subway subway subway! The monorail option is so monumentally stupid. The only people who want the monorail are the ones who want to sabotage public transit.
Thr light rail caused crime to increase in Santa Monica. No, thank you
Well, sir, there's nothing on earth like a genuine, bona fide
Electrified, six-car monorail
What'd I say?
Subway ftw, all my homies hate the monorail
There's a plethora of very good reason nobody builds monorails despite the technology having existed for decades, they virtually never make more sense than other options. The only notable positive is the retro-futuristic look, and the ONLY use cases they arguably make a little sense in are theme parks and shuttling people very short distances between airport terminals.
Y’all there’s a Simpsons episode that predicted something like this a monorail is not a good idea.
Is there a chance the track could bend?
Not on your life, my Hindu friend
Marge vs the Monorail 🚝
Unless the route between the 101 to the 10 runs through Disneyland, a monorail is not appropriate. It’s not an amusement park!
You can put heavy rail in the freeway median, elevated by median pillars. Look at Singapore and their elevated lines. Monorail is a scam.
You know, I just don't want the 405 ripped up and cut off. We've been through this too many times.
The traffic on Sepulveda Pass is simply too big for monorail, and we only have one shot to do this right.
There's no place for BYD in this project. Do whatevs for J line busses. That's already done, and hopefully Metro learned from that sour early retirement of fleet.
"Is there a chance the track could bend?"
"Not on your life, my Hindu friend!"
Subway, all the way!!!!! Stop this stupidity with a monorail
Cool-looking renderings do not compensate for slower speeds, worse connections, and smaller capacity; heavy rail all the way
Doesn't sound as bad as the Dodger Stadium cable car...but still...
Oh this is worse than the dodger stadium cable car. Because a cable car/ski lift is very cheap to construct and operate. Cable cars can also be built cheaply with helicopters so no disruption on the ground. This monorail is just a cash grab/robbery that has zero purpose
@@G-546 at least trains stay on the ground. Imagine being suspended on wire in a small car with a bunch of fans who are possibly drunk
@@knuclear200x good point, didn’t think about that. The solution might be to have a areil tram instead. They have about 50-200 people in one compartment so you could easily have police calm the situation
If there is not technical requirement, like steep climbs and sharp turns, heavy rail is the way to go. However, modern monorail can achieve similar speed and capacity.
These rubber tire systems suck. They're so rough to ride. The acceleration isn't much of an improvement either.
Another random trail of transit That's almost get you where you want to go but not close it all which is something LA is excellent at
Look into Alternatives 4-6, they take you to the center of the action by actually placing stations in locations that people want to actually visit.
I don't understand why they couldn't build another Metro subway on the 405 median and connect to line at LAX..
No to the Monorail keep that at Disneyland. Heavy rail better. And before people say “but earthquake” just look at Japan and what they accomplish with public transit.
Say it with me people, "Just build a train!" 🚈
Any propose "benefits" that a monorail has (not really) has over conventional, steel wheel trains is automatically negated with modern railways.
Not only can conventional railway tracks run at grade, underground, and elevated with ease, but it can easily change tracks and the trains and wheels are standardize to an extent, is energy efficient, and can be easily integrated with existing railway infrastructure.
These gadgetbahn proposals (monorails, maglev, PRT and weird airport people movers) all try to reinvent the train and end up falling flat. Don't waste your time and money trying to reinvent the train, just build a train. You can design the train to look as snazzy and futuristic as you like, I don't care, as long as it's a steel-wheeled train.
If absolutely needed, to climb steeper grades, Linear Induction Motor (LIM) powered trains similar to the Vancouver SkyTrain in BC, Canada, and other metro lines in Japan and China can climb steeper grades, while retaining the benefits of conventional, steel wheeled trains.
2:22 that’s not the gold line route
Only 24k passengers an hour? For real?! Come on, there is no way in hell they thought that'd work out well in any way. And max of 60mph? Also really weird and low. The only way this would be able to work well and make sense is if they run a LOAD of trains on the line both directions, circulating them every day. I'm talking at least a solid train per every 4 miles of track 24/7. For use to LAX, it'd need way more than that. True rail (Heavy Rail) is by fair the best solution. Much higher capacity trains, much higher speeds able to be achieved and at better frequencies/headways. The knowledge and tech is far cheaper and easier to accommodate here in the US as well. US Transit Agencies NEVER ever make sense, or want what is best for the short and long term. Oh yeah, and not connecting to other modes of mass transit is beyond illogical and an insult to those who use transit.
Heavy rail apparently is the best option yet tunneling through the mountain will cost $15 to 20 billion capital cost. I am afraid it's not good idea for LA citizens
Em... People in the US know heavy rail can run on a bridge right? You can have standard autonomous heavy rail without digging a tunnel.
In Bangkok they have the BTS and MRT heavy rail and it works just great. They also have some monorails and they have had some problems with parts falling off which they are almost brad new. So more thought should be made about using monorails,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Monorail you say?
monarail certainly has a lot of problems built in such as maintaince and any train problems are difficult and expensive
Someone needs to help create teleportation machine for travel. This would be a game changer for mankind.
Need to build something like the Montréal REM
Let the state & city go with the heavy rail/subway and let them build the above-ground monorail with private money....if they can raise the money.
L.A. commuters get both.
Simpsons did it!
and you know how that turned out for them
LA need that
Video title was very misleading
A monorail would put Sherman Oaks on the map just like Brockway, Ogdenville, and North Haverbrook.
Heavy rail only!!! the people want and need heavy rail!
say no to monorail!
If there already was a city-wide monorail? Sure! But because there isn't... HEAVY RAIL FTW!
A Maximum speed of just 60 MPH??? MONORAILS are just TOYS.. Get a REAL Heavy Rail Train.. This ain't Disneyland.
Just do what every developed country does, and build a driverless light metro system. Vancouver has had such a system since 1986, and everyone here loves it. A monorail is close, but there's just no reason for it to actually be a monorail. Just use normal third rail tech, like on the Canada Line. We built that thing for under $2 billion CAD in 2010!
Bechtel has proposed just that
Monorails are stupid. Heavy rail is the way to go.
1:40 smoke chirp alarm
Reminds me of a Simpson's Episode, particularly a fun Monorail song.
Gadgetbahns like the monorail is the real boondoggle, not high speed rail or heavy rail
BYD, Build Your Dreams company from CHINA?!?! 🤔🤷🏼♂️🤷🏼♂️🤷🏼♂️