Idk why ppl gotta make this issue of salvation complicated when Christ made it so very simple.... you either believe the gospel or you don't!. We don't ever look to ourselves for assurance you will never find it there. Anyone that points you to yourself and your behavior/lifestyle for assurance or evidence of salvation.......Run!!!... The enemy wants u to doubt what God has alrdy promised and guaranteed for you! it is finished, done deal! it stunts our spiritual growth when we doubt God promises to us! Knw that is frm the enemy to cause fear and doubt constantly in you! And he uses these so called teachers to do it!
@Sage , I assume because the majority of people are wrong (asleep)😅 and their path is wide. The narrow way is the path of those who think for themselves, and not easily deceived while following the ways of Christ, and not man. It’s a lonely road, that be for sure.
@Sage Please read Matt. 7 which has that verse in it. 12] Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets. [13] Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: [14] Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. FOR THIS IS THE LAW IS SAYS. Christ was speaking to his fellow Jews under the law. That gate is the like the door. The promised Kingdom has a wall and so there is a door to get in. John.10 [1] Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber. John 10 [15] As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep. [16] And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd. [17] Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. [18] No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father. [19] There was a division therefore again among the Jews for these sayings. AMONG THE JEWS. Christ was speaking to the Jews under the law not us. We are not under the law as Christ commanded his followers AT THAT TIME to obey. Read Acts 15 which exposes two systems of salvation. It was decreed AT THAT TIME that the apostle Paul did not have to preach the Law of Moses to the Gentiles but that the Gentiles had to observe four things so the Jews would not be offended. And it was never brought up that the Jews had to believe in the death and resurrection and the blood He shed for the forgiveness of sins. It was never brought up how we are baptized into the death and resurrection of Christ which seals our salvation from wrath and gives us eternal life. 1Cor. 15, Romans 5&6
We can't do anything to lose our salvation since we didn't do anything to earn it! It's a free gift, For by grace we have been saved through faith in Jesus Christ and His finished work on the cross, it is a gift of God, not as a result of our works! If we are truly saved, our life is transformed and our faith & belief must produce works (fruit as evidence of spiritual transformation). No way should a saved person continue to practice sin.
Salvation is a free gift both for the Jew and the Gentile but only those who believe, confess and repent get it, and only those who remain in Christ to the end make it.
I loved how you started out ==> but i must ask => since YOU & every believer still sin => why would you say you don't continue to practice sin ? Do you think we CONTINUE BEING SAVED by what YOU/WE DO ? Do YOU believe YOU are sinless/HOLY ? IF you believe so ==> YOU ARE WAY OFF THE MARK => and are deceiving yourself.
@@yohabi4738 You are correct but only as far as the , Comma , then you are switching to another system of salvation. Yes there are 2 systems, Jesus and Peter and the other disciples taught that the Jews had to obey the law. In Acts 15 you will see it. Paul was being harrassed for not bringing the requirements of obeying the Law of Moses in his preaching to the Gentiles. It was decreed by the Jewish churches elders that Paul only request that his converts follow 4 things. Things that a Jew would find totally appalling. If the Jews have to obey the Law and Gentiles only have to believe in the gospel according to that gospel that Paul taught which was not revealed until Paul received it from Christ and revealed it. Corey has these things blended together, mixing the 2 as most do.
This so called"Good works" "fruit bearing" whatever that is... is not evidence of salvation! It Just proves u don't really trust Christ redemptive work that's why ur looking to yourself! you will never get assurance of salvation by looking at yourself! Works as evidence of salvation is a very subtle false gospel! The enemy wants u to doubt God's word! He wants you to be focused on you and not Christ perfect once for all sacrifice! Don't let him do it!!!!!
I don't agree with the OSAS message. "But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway" 1 Corinthians c9 v27. Clearly, Paul was concerned about losing his salvation after preaching and winning souls for Christ.
Yup and the word castaway reprobate in the Greek is adókimos, ad-ok'-ee-mos; from G1 (as a negative particle) and G1384; unapproved, i.e. rejected; by implication, worthless (literally or morally):-castaway, rejected, reprobate. And it also says not standing the test not approved.
I was watching documentary on a historical figure who said - I would have to image that a man who thinks that everything that he believes to be true is quite vain. And that which he does not believe in is always be false. So that is my other than the scripture saying for today. lol. I think he has a point.
What about the Bible saying the race doesn't go to the Swift end to the strong but to those that endure to the end what if I don't believe in till the end not thinking that God isn't capable but what if I am falling short what if I am haunted by my past Deeds that took place after I confess Christ as my savior kept stumbling and falling because when the trial's came I never passed the test
@@theconsciousme4801 just repent and believe jesus has and will continue to forgive you. If you are convicted of sin that means the holy spirit is working in you as a believer .if you were not convicted like a lot of osas hyper grace no need to ever repent again after sin its all taken care of people are not ,then you would need to worry .. If we confess our sins that's the current sense as well he is faithful to forgive us and to clean us from unrighteousness. That assumes the opposite is true if we dont. Even Paul repented daily The lords prayer e example says we should pray father forgive us our sins and here is the important part as we forgive those who sin against us. If we cannot forgive others jesus is very clear God will not forgive us. And I believe this is a message for believers. And maybe one of the reasons why he will say to some other than self boasting and pride of we did this and that in your name. I never know you.
This channel found me at the right exact time in my life. What a blessing. Thank you bother for your ministry. Definitely making me what to grow stronger in my faith 🙏🏻🗽
I got saved young but didn't have any guidance and backslid for years... I don't believe if Jesus came back and the rapture happened and I was drinking at a bar or fornicating that I would have been raptured.... I left him he didn't leave me.... I'm back... I walk in faith everyday now.... All glory to God.... Amen....
I went to the front of the cross as my grandma always told me to do she said you go straight to the throne a picture of his blood dripping on you I got saved in The chapel at a hospital my grandma wasn't doing good we have a big family and family was starting to feed and I was getting ready to grab a hold of one of my nieces and her mom and just tear them up I was a baby girl six brothers and military family my grandpa was in world war II my dad Vietnam three brother uncles Vietnam nephews Iraq praise God they all came home... But as I approached them something picked me up and took me right past them and I ended up in the chapel and I went right up to the front of the chapel where the steps are just a little chapel little hospital and I hit my knees and I pictured myself at the foot of the cross just his grandma always told me to do and my mother the Lord knew I would have probably hurt them the boys I went through their boot camp I'll put it that way they wanted to make sure I could defend myself but I just started praying and talking to him begging for forgiveness and telling him I wasn't Worthy none of us are and I confessed sins that I couldn't even remember that I don't even remember today and then of course my grandma I said Lord if it's your will then she'll be gone I'm not ready to lose her but you will be done and I was down there on my knee for a good hour and a half and I'm talking not flying tears flying I wasn't playing and he knew my heart he knew and when I came up I was a different person everybody in the hospital can see it on my face they knew before I could say a word and about 2 weeks later my grandma passed away and she was the rock of the foundation that is the honest truth but she told me that the family would never be the same. And she was right it was like I was walking on air there is no high in the world like Jesus none now I've never done those street drugs never I did drink and I have a severe panic and anxiety disorder so they would have me on Xanax or Klonopin which I would abuse them I quit smoking weed I've never picked weed up again I quit drinking and never drank again oh I did I'd try I drink one or two and I don't want it but it wasn't me but I'd cuss like a sailor and I guess after she died and nobody was really there to say you know it's a relationship you have to have a relationship with him you know I had the holy Spirit I knew that I mean you could see it on my face that's what I want back I may never get that back I backslid for many years so when people say once saved always saved I have to say I don't know about that because when I backslid and without their partying and popping nerve pills and drinking and I divorced my husband because he was cheating on me so I had a few boyfriends well that's fornication we weren't married it wasn't like I was sleeping around I just had a couple boyfriends for a few years but we were not married so it's fornication I don't believe I would have went to heaven sometimes I will just sit here and praise him just raising because he deserves all the praise he can get and those Sephram angels I could just imagine..... So yes I do get a little scared sometimes and I've begged for forgiveness Lord I'm sorry I left you I'm sorry but I would fight somebody in a minute over the Lord you did not want to get into a conversation with me about Jesus when I backslid... So I understand you guys are saying I do but Jesus loves us okay I'm sorry for the punctuation I have severe rheumatoid arthritis so I can't punctuate everything I used talk to text a couple people has made some pretty rude comments and I just explained to him I'm sorry I apologize I can't help it but the Lord has performed miracles in my family miracles I could go on probably for another 20-30 minutes but it was nice chatting with you... They said backslider is like The prodigal son we came back that's all that matters God bless you and your family now when I get upset or aggravated I didn't stop and look up and say the Lord is my shepherd and I just calm down.....
Great discussion, I couldn't stop listening. Since I tuned in, I haven't stopped thinking and it has caused me to look deeper into scripture.... and that is always a good thing! Thanks!🙏🏾
*_Once saved, always saved?_* Jesus said we must endure to the end to be saved (Matthew 10:22). If we're _honest,_ we should not be saying we're already saved. The apostle Paul made it very clear that believers have "the hope of salvation" and have not yet obtained salvation: ■ "But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation. For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ" (Paul, in 1 Thessalonians 5:8,9). We will not be saved - saved from ever perishing - until we receive the promised gift of eternal life (1 John 2:25) at Jesus' return (1 Peter 1:13; 1 Cor 15:50-54; 1 Thess 4:13-17). Short of actualy receiving eternal life, we'll perish. Unsaved. In this mortal life we can enter *_justification_* - right-standing - with God. While we are abiding in Jesus in repentance, following the holy spirit, we are in justification -not under condemnation: ■ "There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit." (Romans 8:1) While we remain in justification we are "in His goodness" or grace, and we have that "hope of salvation." But we can also fall away from justification, no longer "in His goodness" or grace. We'll forfeit that hope of salvation.We have plenty of warnings NOT TO LET THAT HAPPEN. For example: ■ "If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned." (Jesus, in John 15:6) You must first *_be_* a branch before you can be "cast forth as a branch" or "cut off." And obviously we *_can_* be "cast forth" after becoming a branch. *Jesus did not say "once a branch, always a branch"!* It's nothing less than delusional to think you're "saved" even after being "cast forth as a branch" and "burned." ■ "For if God spared not the natural branches [the Israelites], take heed lest he also spare not thee. Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off." (Romans 11:21,22) That's right: we CAN be cut off. "IF thou continue in his goodness" means we CAN FAIL to continue in his goodness or grace. Let's not ignore the ifs and the warnings, dismissing them because we think we're already saved. Jesus clearly warned what would happen to servants who returned to sin: ■ "But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken; The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers." (Jesus, in Luke 12:45,46) "Once saved, always saved," with "eternal security"? Apparently not. Sins "all paid for, past, present and future"? Apparently not. That servant was going to pay for his sins himself. The apostle Paul had the holy spirit. Paul clearly refuted "once saved, always saved": he stated it was possible for him to revert to a life of sin and therefore be rejected . . . thrown out . . . a "castaway": ■ "But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway." (1 Corinthians 9:27) There's a message there for all who have been misled to believe that having the holy spirit is a "guarantee" of your salvation. We must remain in repentance, choosing to be *_led_* by the holy spirit -not just having it and ignoring it. Note the "ifs": ■ "For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live. For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God." (Romans 8:13,14) If - _after overcoming sin through knowing Jesus_ - a person then returns to a life of sin, "the latter end is worse with them than the beginning": ■ "For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire." (2 Peter 2:20-22) While we remain in justification, Jesus remains our advocate with the Father (1 John 2:1) and covers - present tense - any new sins by His blood (1 John 1:7). What happens if we no longer abide in Him, and return to a life of un-repentant, willful sin? ■ "For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries." (Hebrews 10:26,27) Here's more of the many warnings not to fall away. Note the "ifs" with conditions: ■ "Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall: For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ." (2 Peter 1:10,11 ) ■ "Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God. But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;" (Hebrews 3:12-14) ■ "If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:" (2 Timothy 2:12) ■ "And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight: If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;" (Colossians 1:21-23 ) It IS possible to fall away, even after being made a "partaker" of the holy spirit! There would have been no point in writing the next passage if it were impossible to fall away: ■ "For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame." (Hebrews 6:4-6) We can "fail of the grace of God": ■ "Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord: Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled" (Hebrews 12:14,15) Our names CAN be blotted out of the book of life: ■ "He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels." "And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book." (Revelation 3:5 and 22:19) Judgment is on "the house of God" - His church - right now: ■ "For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?" (1 Peter 4:17) ■ "Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it." (Hebrews 4:1) Could it be any more clear? We CAN come short of entering into His rest! We have warnings not to fall away for a very good reason: we CAN fall away. Sadly, most are not being taught the difference between justification and salvation, and instead are being taught they are already saved. Then they go on to ignore all the ifs and the warnings . . . because they think they're already "saved."
It finally clicked for me that we cannot lose our salvation. We have the Holy Spirit sealing us until the day of redemption. If we sin, we have an Advocate. If we continue to sin, we grieve the Holy Spirit and will lose our reward during our judgment. But we will still go to Heaven just by the skin of the teeth. I hope this makes sense.
@@ericafair9983 Your theology is saying you can not lose Salvation, that is a false theology, when the Bible tells us we can in many scriptures. I have a question, can a Christian lose there healing?
Jesus will never leave you but you can leave Jesus if a person who was once saved denounces Jesus and say they no longer believe in Jesus he will not violate anyone's free will.
Someone who turns thier back on Jesus and denounce him was never truely saved in the first place..fear of thr LORD and the Holy Spirit which is inside of us when we are saved will convict them of thier sin..they could never denounce Jesus or turn thier back on him
Yes this. Why else would the bible tells us about the ten virgins? Ehen has ever unbelievers been called virgins?? Only believers has.. and the great falling away? Who is falling away? Unbelievers?? Nope. The believers.. you can’t fall from something you never belonged to
My dad gave me a pair of Walkie-Talkies when I was 10. They were a gift-----I did nothing to earn them. ... But, a few months later, in a moment of anger, I left them at the local swimming pool and intentionally walked away from them--I never saw them again.
@@bblack6868 ... Feel free to explain how you see me doing that---but remember as you do, that Jesus, who was/is God, by His own choice, became "humanized."
@@sonlover62 …..if with your first reply you are equating a walkie-talkie that your father gave you , to eternal salvation given by the Lord , and your ability to walk away from that walkie-talkie, as one’s ability to walk away from Salvation , and thereby lose it …..then yes you are Humanizing the Lord. Peace
Can I say thank you for doing this and being open and transparent with your channel, it's very appreciated and I know it's hard to come on the internet and be of any stance and put yourself forward to be pulled apart. And thank you for taking this reflection on your stance and be honest and actually open a door for conversation on the topic. Much love and prayers from Ireland 😊
Jesus Christ said remain in me and ye shall bear fruit... Without me ye can do nothing... Any tree that doesn't bear fruit is cut and destroyed. You are only born again when you remain or abide in Christ and bear fruit. Question is, would you be in a state of 'born again' when you die? How you meet Jesus Christ on the last day, or at death, is what matters. That's why Christ warned us to endure unto the end. Carry the cross and follow him. Follow through the narrow gate. We are warned not to fall but to continue or remain in the faith. Believing or being born again is a life changing thing. If your life isn't changed then you cannot be said to be born again. It is only those who believe and abide in Christ and continue to bear fruit and endure to the end that are saved. You don't say you're born again today and then you lock up your born again certificate in the drawer and continue living a sinful life or just like you were before and expect to go to paradise. Eternity with Christ is for those who actually believed, repented, got born gain and aligned their lifestyle with Christ's. It's not that you're perfect about it, but it's the Holy Spirit that helps you and makes you perfect. That's the grace of God. If salvation doesn't require us to change our way of life then Jesus' death on the cross is nonsense. I'd rather abide in Christ and continue to follow him, trying my best unto the end. I know it's rough the way to paradise but he will not leave me nor forsake me. He knows my feebleness. I believe, abide and follow. He cares, guides and saves. Once saved always saved doctrine is going to send more Christians to hell than it will send to paradise. Only lazy Christians welcome such teaching. It's confusing and misleading as it is deceiving.
I think you misperceive what OSAS believers actually believe. OSAS isn't a license to sin, instead the Holy Spirit instills faith in those who received Christ. The Holy Spirit continually draws us and advocates for us, keeping us in Christ. If it were up to us and our sinful nature, we would fall away every time. If people aren't showing repentance and faith, they haven't received the promise of salvation and the Holy Spirit.
This gave a great way of looking at the once saved always saved. This is the first of many of your videos that I have watched where I felt you were a little more sarcastic and displayed alittle arrogance. You are an informative teacher. Don't get drawn into a debate that takes away from biblical text, understanding and application. I love one the comment one person said "once saved, really saved." Thanks for your kingdom work Cory.
Does anyone disagree with that. That salvation is a free gift from God to mankind by his grace through non meriting faith not physical works so no one can boast that... I saved myself or helped God saved me, as our faith is not a meriting work and an ability we all have from God God has of course given mankind the responsibility to believe in him to redeem that free gift. Through that faith... That is not his responsibility. It's ours... Just as we redeem coupons or open and receive Christmas presents sent by another, and yes we can also reject it, or return it and go back to our prior state. God bless and take care regardless of your views. Feel free to share them, we are all in a learning growing state, so no hate from me, but I may challenge you. Just before you reply to remove Calvinist and once saved always saved man made recent doctrines systematics theology from your thinking and use the bible holy spirit your experience and reasoning etc without those presupposed limitations. Give God's word the ability to move outside of those confined if the holy spirit demands it.
To GOD Be The Ultimate Honor Praise And Glory forever and ever AMEN 🙏 🙏🙏 And thank you, brother In CHRIST for such great insight. Pray may GOD keep you and your family and continue in guiding you In JESUS Holy Precious Mighty Name AMEN. 🙏 🙏🙏
N Edit: I know i'm late to the live chat; i just wanted to say i know that He Who began a Good Work in me will carry it on until the day of completion in Christ Jesus, because even when i am faithless, He remains Faithful, because He cannot deny Himself - because, having nothing higher to swear by, He swore by Himself - and He is not a man, that He should lie, nor a son of man, that He should change His Mind! 2nd edit: Corey, i think your commitment to do a video responding to each objection put forth regarding eternal security of our eternal Salvation is just a beautiful ministry! God Bless you richly, my Brother!
Ezekiel 18:24 “But if a righteous person turns from their righteousness and commits sin and does the same detestable things the wicked person does, will they live? None of the righteous things that person has done will be remembered. Because of the unfaithfulness they are guilty of and because of the sins they have committed, they will die.
@@warriorofgod5587have you ever heard of One named Jesus Christ? Surely you have. Surely you understand Jesus Christ, who is God, died on the cross for your sins was buried, and rose the 3rd day. This was after Ezekiel. Ezekiel was for those under the law.
The early Christians taught, there are two stages to your salvation. The first stage is the gift, the gift of salvation. All your sins are wiped clean. The slate is completely clean at this point. That's when you are on the vine that's mentioned in the book of John chapter 15. But there's one more part of salvation. We have to remain on the vine, to remain in the vine Jesus said we have to produce fruits. Any branch that does not produce fruits will be cut off of the vine. And Jesus said thrown into the fire. Again stage one abide in Jesus on the vine. Stage 2, produce fruits and remain on the vine, endure to the end and you will be saved.
There is Absolutely Nothing wrong with monetarily Blessing this man who feeds our Spirit!! I think he should be blessed monetarily because he's doing the work of God and this takes up his time energy and Much thought. So Bless him if you're able!! To me that's showing gratefulness.
Brother Corey, I struggled with this issue for a while until I found your channel. If it wasn't for your patience I probably would still be struggling. I just want to say thank you for your love and patience, and I will pray to the Lord that he will continue to bless you and use you to lead people to the truth.
From the beginning to the end ! Not just the beginning! Hebrews 3:14 “For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;”
Not TO US......news flash......its to the Hebrews (it's not called the book of Gentiles)......YOU NEED TO LEARN HOW TO RIGHTLY DIVIDE per 2 Tim 2:15...
Yes, I was saved and I started living with a man. I continued to believe God. My heart loved God. 1 Corin 6:9-11. I was dying and was going down to hades. I cried out and Jesus rescued me. Read the Word, trust Jesus and do what HE says, not man.
1 Timothy 4:1 [1] Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons,
I feel like im always battling temptation and self control and lust. I stumble but i know thats its wrong. I want to obey Jesus but i feel like i am not doing that as well as I should.
Faint not. Meaning don't give up, don't give in. Continue to fight and endure to the end. Continue to call on Christ Jesus for He is your help when these thing come up on you. What ever you do don't give in, battle and fight to the end. I pray for you to win this battle over lust and self control. Pray for me also for we all fall short. Thanks to our Lord and savior Jesus Christ we can a life free of condemnation. As you continue your walk in Christ and obey his word you will become more equipped and ready. Be consistent and don't give up. I pray for you, In Jesus name, Amen.
King James Bible He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels. King James Bible For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith. King James Bible Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God? King James Bible And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
If you feel that way, and want to do better then the holyb spirit and talking to you and convicting you. If you know longer could care less, like it does not matter what I do In save so there, then you would be in trouble. Fasting really helps pray, we all will struggle with past habits and things that may take a life time if ever to over come. just repent or turn from them, seek help if you can from someone who has a testimony in that area, like drinking drugs porn hate anger adultery fornication stealing lying etc greed. yes christians still struggle with these from time to tome, even though they know better , while we are still in the flesh, repenting each time the spirt leads us turning away, tsaking steps to flee the temptation before we get their, like a drunk should stay away from bars, and places that push booze, as that is tempting him. If he fails he is still saved, he should repent and turn back away from the booze, remeber what made him weak pray study and aviod that temptation if possible next time, God will forgive he is faithful when we confess our sins as believers. some can go cold turkey, some need more time some a life time, if they are believers they will know whats wrong in their heart as the holy spirit convicts and then comforts them after repentance, that trust in their lord and savior is their faith, and Jesus has them as believers. Can they choose to fall away from the faith, the bible says yes, can they choose a false faith doctrines of devils, the bible says yes, if they no longer believe they are not saved. But the good news is as long as they are alived and genuine God will indeed accept them back restore them as the prodcal son, who if he did not believe and returned would have been dead and a lost son. But he repented retruned and was found and restored. Amen.
"I find this law at work in my members, the good I would do I do not, the evil I would not do those things I do. Who will deliver me from this body of death? Praise God Jesus Christ delivers me!" These were the words of the Apostle Paul. You aren't alone, we're all in the same boat. I hope and pray that we're all delivered from these bodies of death soon. MARANATHA
Don’t be weary ! This means you are still doing something and have not stopped! “ faint not “ means you need to endure this life unto the end !!! Galatians 6:9 “And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not.”
A person simply can not lose salvation God's grace is sufficient and he said no one could pluck us from his hand praise God. When someone supposedly turns from God and loses their salvation, the truth is that they never had it
@@chaplainsoffice6907 we are not saved by anything that we do other than by putting our faith and trust in our lord and savior therefore if we can not lose our salvation it was a gift freely given to us thru his grace
You're wrong I gave my Life to JESUS at 9 But some things happened in my Teen years and I fell into sin and walked like the world. I was saved but I walked away but thank GOD for his mercy and grace HE kept calling me back and I repented of my sins and walk in the spirit to the best of my ability. We all slip but there is a big difference in walking in sin. HEB 10: 26
@Robert M Simpson Jr the fact that you are a Christian today proves my point just because you stray does not mean your no longer a Christian my friend it simply means your human and imperfect.........God Bless brother
We aren't given the option to go on sinning (1 John 2:4, 3:6-9, 1 Cor 5:11-13, Hebrews 10:26-29). Truth is that we cannot possibly go on with a "I can't help it" mindset (I'd know, I'm the king of sinners) with the Holy Spirit residing in us. Are we to say that we didn't know better? We do. Are we to sin so grace may abound? God forbid it! If we sin, we have an advocate in Christ. Thank GOD. But the sweeping grace people talk about in Romans 3:21-31 actually talks about "former sins" being passed over. I don't see where "future sins" is listed. Even the early church fathers talked on "heathen repentance" being a fake one characterized by repetitious sin (see Tertullian, for example), or discussing penance for "involuntary sins" (Clement) and not even giving way for voluntary sins. All in all, we must make ourselves living sacrifices, denying ourselves and picking up our cross DAILY. We in the developed world are soft Christians... let's repent and pursue holiness unlike ever before, that we may attain to that which is eternal in Christ.
Theres a scripture in Ezekiel 18: 24-26 it clearly states that a righteous person ( believer) can turn away from his righteousness and die in their sins...That's the reason I'm having trouble with "osas"...I know this is old testament, but the bible is prophetic...
Great point! You and I think alike. I just used that scripture on my video, "Are you Sure you're saved?" Quote starts at 3:39 in the video. In my research, a lot of people told me that when Christians were falling away, that was only during the tribulation, and not at any other time in history, and then I bring up the same scripture you referred to and tell them that believers and Christians have been falling away throughout history.
For the people who feel you can lose your salvation, I want to know if they suddenly understood that salvation CAN'T be lost would they go out and sin as they please? I think the answer would be very revealing.
@@janae3076 I AGREE. What's clear though is that the prevailing argument against OSAS is that you can sin as you please and still go to Heaven, as if the ONLY reason someone would believe in OSAS is to sin without fear. If someone would say "sure, if I couldn't lose my salvation I'd sin all day long," I'd think that would be a good indication of the lack of the salvation they feel they have to work to keep. But OSAS people aren't looking for a reason to sin, we just know that JESUS is the ONLY prevailing factor in our salvation. He draws us, and He keeps us. We just thank Him for choosing us.
@@jdoggmusicman That's not a true argument though. Those are based on human reasoning rather then the full word. The real argument is that we are called to repentance as a part of salvation and also to believe. Yet belief is not mearly a word you say because the demons believe. You see to bring salvation down to one phrase is the dumbest point of this whole conversation. Salvation is talked about in the bible and all scriptures must be included. Also the osas view avoids judgement all together. Thats is a big fat No! The scripture is more then clear on this, God will judge you no matter what you think about having a sure salvation. Time will tell on you and that which was done in the dark will come to light. This is why you workout your salvation. Osas as a doctrine and phrase should be removed from christian teachings and the scriptures should replace these theories of the imagination. Osas leads to a man telling another man he's saved and so he has judged him. This is sin.
@@jdoggmusicman Yes but we are uniquely called to salvation. In my case I was definitively saved as a child and a devoted Christian. But after unexpected hardships and a broken home in the teen years I began to live as I pleased until my late 20's before I surrendered to God as an adult. The point is I knew I was saved early in life but took it for granted many years. The consequences were painful and my faith didn't grow for a long time, yet it was still there when I was ready to genuinely mature in Christ. OSAS is my testimony.
@@michaelseeker9680 there are other passages that support the osas doctrine. Things such as that the bible teaches the church is God's bride and "what God joined together let no man tear asunder". Or when John says they went away from us because they were never of us. It's not as simple as "I'm saved and now I can do whatever I want without repercussions"... Its God continually refining our understanding and actions leading towards perfection. I mean what is the difference between a saint/Christian/disciple of Christ and a sinner or person of the world? I mean we all sin but a true Christian asks for forgiveness and turns from sin and a sinner remains and/or lives in sin unrepentant. The idea basically means that your actions can't save you and therefore your actions can't make you lose your salvation. It means if you obey the gospel then choose to live in sin you didn't "lose your salvation" but instead were never ACTUALLY saved.
As a Christian believer who is very very grateful and thankful for all that Jesus has done for us. And yes it’s a free gift from God for those of us that have been washed in the blood of Jesus. I fully accept and believe in the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ. I know I am nothing without God. I’m no where near perfect and a work in progress but I’ve heard people’s testimonies of having near death experiences and went to hell and saw some people in hell that they thought they were Christians. I don’t want to be that person.
This video doesn't explain it properly and a lot of his teachings are his own views as opposed to actual Gods Word. You need to think of this like a marriage that you must maintain. We can sign a marriage license to be married but the license does not guarantee that we will remain married. We must strive every day to maintain and nurture the marriage and keep it alive and on its proper maturity. We will always have shortcomings, but that's why we must always have a heart of repentance and love towards our spouse so that we always do our part to continue to make the marriage work. The once saved always saved concept is a lie that will always lead to divorce and separation. If we love our spouse then we will do whatever it takes to take care of our relationship and when we screw up, well own up to it and get back right, well Jesus is our spouse and salvation is our marriage lisence, so we must take care of it all and do our best to make it last so that we can ensure until the end.
Judas by transgression fell. So we must continue to be steadfast in the faith to the end. Paul said I don't want to preach in others and myself been a cast away
@Madison 07 the problem is you don't trust God as you should and your sin is not allowing you to experience the assurance you should have if you are a real christian. I'm pretty sure you have a great plan to get back on track and prepare your self to fall over and over and over again and repeat. You probably think that you can lose your salvation and then get it back whenever you want. Or that its up to you to keep, And you probably think that you are good enough to keep it. Trust him not your works . Going through a hard time in life full of doubts and regrets join the crowd. The lord said we would be tested. If you are a real christian just know that HE IS THE SAVIOR . The reason why Christians still sin or have sin in their lives is so that they won't get all puffed up and start acting all holy and righteous like some people do,or because they just want to or they slipped Or it just happened or the truth, we are not perfect in our selfs just in christ. The bible clearly says, he that says he has no sin is a liar. If you think that you fell from grace Or that you can fall from grace you might have a trust issue because of a lack of understanding. If I were you I would dwell in his promises And if you are stuck in a hard place cause you cannot understand some verses or passages. Ask?. Seek. Pray. It might be false to you but it is real to me O S A S . Listen to John vernon Magee on once saved always saved on RUclips.
@Madison 07 You trust in what Christ done for you Or you might find yourself saying I did this and I did that . I,I,I,. I WILL TRUST IN WHAT HE HAS DONE FOR ME. YOU CAN NOT ADD ANYTHING TO HIS GIFT OF SALVATION. HE CLEARLY SAID New International Version Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. To fall from grace is to add something or anything to salvation. Jesus plus nothing equals salvation. This is the narrow road. Judaizers are always telling someone that they have to do something or add something for salvation. We do not live by the written code anymore, but by the new way of the Spirit. You can certainly fall out of God's favor, but not lose your salvation.
@catholictruth102 ALL CHRISTIAN'S BEAR FRUIT. Only 1 of the places where the seed fell was good soil and produced fruit. Jesus’ explanation of the Parable of the Sower highlights four different responses to the gospel. The seed is “the word of the kingdom.” The hard ground represents someone who is hardened by sin; he hears but does not understand the Word, and Satan plucks the message away, keeping the heart dull and preventing the Word from making an impression. The stony ground pictures a man who professes delight with the Word; however, his heart is not changed, and when trouble arises, his so-called faith quickly disappears. The thorny ground depicts one who seems to receive the Word, but whose heart is full of riches, pleasures, and lusts; the things of this world take his time and attention away from the Word, and he ends up having no time for it. The good ground portrays the one who hears, understands, and receives the Word-and then allows the Word to accomplish its result in his life. The man represented by the “good ground” is the only one of the four who is truly saved, because salvation’s proof is fruit (Matthew 3:7-8; 7:15-20). Jesus said, I John 15:16 New International Version You did not choose me, but I chose you and( appointed ) (you so that you might go and bear fruit-fruit that will last)-and so that whatever you ask in my name the Father will give you. King James Bible Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ( ordained ) you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, (and that your fruit should remain:) that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you. Ordained and appointed, means you will bear fruit, not maybe, The tree that Jesus cursed. New International Version Matthew 21:19 Seeing a fig tree by the road, he went up to it but found nothing on it except leaves. Then he said to it, “May you never bear fruit again!” Immediately the tree withered. Real Christians bear fruit. A tree which has germinated but does not have fruit is just as good as dead. Except for the fact that it looks like a living tree. New International Version Matthew 7;18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. Good trees always have good fruit. New International Version John 15:5 “I am the vine; you are the branches. If you remain in me and I in you, you will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing. Well Jesus promises that whosoever remains in him and he in them will bear much fruit. So as far as I am concerned only true believers can remain in him, and it is not because of us, but because the holyspirit lives in true believers. Matthew 7:17 King James Bible Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A true child of God gets disciplined BY THE FATHER when He does wrong, King James Bible HEBREWS 12:11 Now, no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward ( IT YIELDETH the peaceable FRUIT OF RIGHTEOUSNESS unto them which are exercised thereby). Fruit ALSO comes out of GODS DISAPLINE, THE FATHERS CORRECTION ALWAYS ACCOMPLISHES IT'S GOAL. All true children bear fruit. New International Version LUKE 8:15 But the seed on good soil stands for those with a noble and good heart, (WHO HEAR THE WORD, RETAIN IT, AND BY PERSEVERING PRODUCE A CROP). WITHOUT THE SPIRIT YOU CANNOT RETAIN THE WORD, YOU ARE BOUND TO FALL AWAY. King James Bible MARK 13:23 But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty. THIS IS THE GOOD SOIL ,WHERE THE SEED CAN ACTUALLY GROW. King James Bible REVELATION 19:8 AND TO HER WAS GRANTED THAT SHE SHOULD BE ARRAYED IN FINE LINEN, clean and white: FOR THE FINE LINEN IS THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF THE SAINTS New Living Translation HEBREWS 6:7 When the ground soaks up the falling rain and bears a good crop for the farmer, it has God's blessing New International Version The Spirit and the bride say, “Come!” And let the one who hears say, “Come!” Let the one who is thirsty come; and let the one who wishes take the free gift of the water of life. This water of life on the right soil brings FORTH MUCH FRUIT. New International Version HEBREWS 10:35 So do not throw away your confidence; it will be richly rewarded. IF YOU SAY THAT THERE ARE CHRISTIAN'S THAT DON'T BEAR FRIUT, YOU ARE SAYING THAT GOD IS A LIAR. IF YOU SAY THAT THERE ARE CHRISTIANS WHO DON'T BEAR FRIUT, YOU ARE SAYING THAT THERE ARE CHRISTIAN'S WHO NEVER DO ANYTHING GOOD. LUKE 10:42 King James Bible BUT ONE THING IS NEEDFUL: and Mary hath chosen that good part, which shall not be taken away from her. New International Version Matthew 13:23 But the seed falling on good soil refers to someone who hears the word and understands it. This is the one who produces a crop, yielding a hundred, sixty or thirty times what was sown." THERE IS ONLY ONE GOOD SOIL, AND IT PRODUCE DIFFERENT AMOUNTS. New International Version collasians 1:10 so that you may live a life worthy of the Lord and please him in every way: bearing fruit in every good work, growing in the knowledge of God, English Standard Version Ephesians 5:9 (for the fruit of light is found in all that is good and right and true), English Standard Version HEBREWS 4:2 For good news came to us just as to them, but the message they heard did not benefit them, because they were not united by faith with those who listened. ALL TRUE CHRISTIANS BEAR FRUIT. ALL TRUE CHRISTIANS ABIDE IN CHRIST BY THE SPIRIT IN THE SPIRIT. THERE IS ONLY ONE GOOD SOIL. AND IT IS IN ALL BELIEVERS, THATS WHY ALL BELIEVERS ABIDE AND BEAR FRUIT. WHOEVER HAS BEEN FILLED WITH THE HOLYSPIRIT, IS GOOD GROUND. WITHOUT THE HOLYSPIRIT ALL ARE UNABLE TO BEAR GOOD FRUIT.
@catholictruth102 ALL CHRISTIAN'S BEAR FRUIT. Only 1 of the places where the seed fell was good soil and produced fruit. Jesus’ explanation of the Parable of the Sower highlights four different responses to the gospel. The seed is “the word of the kingdom.” The hard ground represents someone who is hardened by sin; he hears but does not understand the Word, and Satan plucks the message away, keeping the heart dull and preventing the Word from making an impression. The stony ground pictures a man who professes delight with the Word; however, his heart is not changed, and when trouble arises, his so-called faith quickly disappears. The thorny ground depicts one who seems to receive the Word, but whose heart is full of riches, pleasures, and lusts; the things of this world take his time and attention away from the Word, and he ends up having no time for it. The good ground portrays the one who hears, understands, and receives the Word-and then allows the Word to accomplish its result in his life. The man represented by the “good ground” is the only one of the four who is truly saved, because salvation’s proof is fruit (Matthew 3:7-8; 7:15-20). Jesus said, I John 15:16 New International Version You did not choose me, but I chose you and( appointed ) (you so that you might go and bear fruit-fruit that will last)-and so that whatever you ask in my name the Father will give you. King James Bible Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ( ordained ) you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, (and that your fruit should remain:) that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you. Ordained and appointed, means you will bear fruit, not maybe, The tree that Jesus cursed. New International Version Matthew 21:19 Seeing a fig tree by the road, he went up to it but found nothing on it except leaves. Then he said to it, “May you never bear fruit again!” Immediately the tree withered. Real Christians bear fruit. A tree which has germinated but does not have fruit is just as good as dead. Except for the fact that it looks like a living tree. New International Version Matthew 7;18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. Good trees always have good fruit. New International Version John 15:5 “I am the vine; you are the branches. If you remain in me and I in you, you will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing. Well Jesus promises that whosoever remains in him and he in them will bear much fruit. So as far as I am concerned only true believers can remain in him, and it is not because of us, but because the holyspirit lives in true believers. Matthew 7:17 King James Bible Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A true child of God gets disciplined BY THE FATHER when He does wrong, King James Bible HEBREWS 12:11 Now, no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward ( IT YIELDETH the peaceable FRUIT OF RIGHTEOUSNESS unto them which are exercised thereby). Fruit ALSO comes out of GODS DISAPLINE, THE FATHERS CORRECTION ALWAYS ACCOMPLISHES IT'S GOAL. All true children bear fruit. New International Version LUKE 8:15 But the seed on good soil stands for those with a noble and good heart, (WHO HEAR THE WORD, RETAIN IT, AND BY PERSEVERING PRODUCE A CROP). WITHOUT THE SPIRIT YOU CANNOT RETAIN THE WORD, YOU ARE BOUND TO FALL AWAY. King James Bible MARK 13:23 But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty. THIS IS THE GOOD SOIL ,WHERE THE SEED CAN ACTUALLY GROW. King James Bible REVELATION 19:8 AND TO HER WAS GRANTED THAT SHE SHOULD BE ARRAYED IN FINE LINEN, clean and white: FOR THE FINE LINEN IS THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF THE SAINTS New Living Translation HEBREWS 6:7 When the ground soaks up the falling rain and bears a good crop for the farmer, it has God's blessing New International Version The Spirit and the bride say, “Come!” And let the one who hears say, “Come!” Let the one who is thirsty come; and let the one who wishes take the free gift of the water of life. This water of life on the right soil brings FORTH MUCH FRUIT. New International Version HEBREWS 10:35 So do not throw away your confidence; it will be richly rewarded. IF YOU SAY THAT THERE ARE CHRISTIAN'S THAT DON'T BEAR FRIUT, YOU ARE SAYING THAT GOD IS A LIAR. IF YOU SAY THAT THERE ARE CHRISTIANS WHO DON'T BEAR FRIUT, YOU ARE SAYING THAT THERE ARE CHRISTIAN'S WHO NEVER DO ANYTHING GOOD. LUKE 10:42 King James Bible BUT ONE THING IS NEEDFUL: and Mary hath chosen that good part, which shall not be taken away from her. New International Version Matthew 13:23 But the seed falling on good soil refers to someone who hears the word and understands it. This is the one who produces a crop, yielding a hundred, sixty or thirty times what was sown." THERE IS ONLY ONE GOOD SOIL, AND IT PRODUCE DIFFERENT AMOUNTS. New International Version collasians 1:10 so that you may live a life worthy of the Lord and please him in every way: bearing fruit in every good work, growing in the knowledge of God, English Standard Version Ephesians 5:9 (for the fruit of light is found in all that is good and right and true), English Standard Version HEBREWS 4:2 For good news came to us just as to them, but the message they heard did not benefit them, because they were not united by faith with those who listened. ALL TRUE CHRISTIANS BEAR FRUIT. ALL TRUE CHRISTIANS ABIDE IN CHRIST BY THE SPIRIT IN THE SPIRIT. THERE IS ONLY ONE GOOD SOIL. AND IT IS IN ALL BELIEVERS, THATS WHY ALL BELIEVERS ABIDE AND BEAR FRUIT. WHOEVER HAS BEEN FILLED WITH THE HOLYSPIRIT, IS GOOD GROUND. WITHOUT THE HOLYSPIRIT ALL ARE UNABLE TO BEAR GOOD FRUIT.
I believe i said the first video and I hope you see this. You started off saying I believe in Christ sufficiency for my salvation. You also said only real Christian are the "always saved". Which i doubt anyone would disagree with, those statements are solid doctrine based on direct scriptures. "Osas" is a made up phrase not in the Bible firstly and secondly its painfully vague which leads to more confusion. Also leads to division not because we don't agree that we shall not continue to sin, we all agree on that. The division comes from the theology of men being passed on as the word of God. Paul says shall we continue to sin? God forbid. Easy and simple. The Bible tells us over and over not to deceive ourselves. Hebrews 10 is for those who left the faith. The word is simple, preach the word. Theology is for the birds, the word is the source. God bless.
In one of my visitations to hell, Jesus showed me a person who was a Christian (Jesus said “he was a Christian like you”). But the guy unfortunately started sleeping around (he was planning on repenting later). He died middle aged and went to hell forever it was dark but Jesus lit up the area, he asked Jesus for another chance but unfortunately it was too late for him, Pretty said, Repent and ask Jesus to help you with your struggles (James 4:7)
Tonight was excellent! I really enjoy the Knowledge you have for handling the word of God. Tradition makes some folk so deep they read, add and over complicate a passage. Let's just allow the Holy Spirit that's been deposited in us, to direct us towards truth. Keep the video's coming. 👍🏾
Smart Christian is in error he backtracked the gospel and he's wrong you need to read for yourself the scriptures and let the Holy Spirit guide you....
@@againstthegrainmichelelee9781 yeah I agree as i stated in my comment. Let's relax and allow the Holy Spirit to lead and guide us to truth. Take care and be blessed.
@@againstthegrainmichelelee9781 yup he backloads works into the gospel! I hope more ppl will see that he teaches a calvanist false gospel just like 99% of so called teachers and preachers today. Heartbreaking to see so many ppl doubting God's promises! But that's exactly what the enemy does!
Don’t crucify me, but I understand Salvation to be permanent, but not absolute. Much like a marriage, which is permanent, but if one decides to divorce, it’s possible. Demons believe and tremble in fear. We’re saved by grace, through faith. Faith is allegiance and loyalty. Works/deeds are a subset of loyalty. If a soldier is loyal, he/she would not betray. What Ephesians 2 is referring to when it says, so that none can boast, is God’s grace. God gave us faith, and expects us to grow it, instead of burying the talent in the ground. God’s interpretation is what matters. If God doesn’t expect anything from us, then it’s called universalism, which means all are saved, and don’t have to have faith in god. Salvation is specifically for those who have loyalty/faith in Jesus. People who are loyal to other religions, or those who believe in every religion will not be saved. We all can debate until we’re blue in the face, but what if we’re wrong? If we teach Salvation is absolute, and if we’re wrong, we have given our congregation a license to sin. If we teach that it is possible to lose salvation, our congregation will have the fear of the Lord and remain in Him. The one who teaches that it’s possible to lose salvation would not have the blood of their congregation on their hands, while the one who teaches that salvation is absolute does. There’s too many scriptures that one would have to remove, in order to believe that salvation is absolute. The word Believe is a work. It’s a verb. How do we know if we won’t be one who leaves the Faith later in life, when going through tough times? It would be so convenient to believe OSAS, but I beg to differ. We entered into salvation because God first offered salvation, but only to those who did a work. That work is a part of Faith. We can’t be saved by works alone, because Ephesians 2 says it’s also by grace. We can believe in Jesus and have faith all we want, but if He didn’t have the grace to die on the cross, then there wouldn’t be salvation either
I agree with you I think you did a good job explaining it. Your take is not popular because it holds people accountable and it's not convenient to the lukewarm cottoncandy american church of prosperity. The Lord's own prophecy said the path is narrow and FEW will find it. People think it's just saying you believe but the Lord said they worship me with there mouth and lips but there heart is far from me. The devils also believe yet they remain devils. To the Jews that believed on him he didn't say hey your saved for life he said IF you continue in me you shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free. A lot of Christians are happy with the savior Part of Christ but not the Lord part. He is Lord and Savior he said to pick up your cross daily and follow me. Sure sounds like you must continue in faith.
You guys are spot on and I'm happy to see that there are people out there with a strong enough mind and love for God to know the truth and not be afraid to say it. Once saved always saved is a false teaching and a lie from the pits of hell to lead people into hell. To me it just seems so obvious that we will have to maintain our relationship with God to inherit His Kingdom, believing in Him alone isn't the whole shabang, I always like to use the example about getting married... Can we say, "once married always married"? No! We can't, because if you don't maintain your relationship with your spouse you can become divorced and separated. Well Jesus is our spouse, He's our Bridegroom...and we maintain our marriage with Him by not only believing and faith, but also with devotion, loyalty, a seeking of further levels, constant repentance and humility, obedience to His commandments as well as His every day orders... I wish people weren't so naive, but most just like you guys said, love the lukewarm fake comfort of once saved always saved because they're selfish and lazy and don't want to have to do anything to be fruitful or fight in God's army. Well there's going to come a time where He'll say, depart from me because I never knew you.
To all believers tuned in ... this argument is a very slippery slope. Pay attention to your own individual relationship with Jesus Christ of Nazareth and err on the side of being conscientious and careful. Because when you find out these arguments are wrong...no one will be standing next to you on judgement day. Work out YOUR OWN salvation with fear and trembling. Revelation 3:14-22 New King James Version The Lukewarm Church 14 “And to the [a]angel of the church [b]of the Laodiceans write, ‘These things says the Amen, the Faithful and True Witness, the Beginning of the creation of God: 15 “I know your works, that you are neither cold nor hot. I could wish you were cold or hot. 16 So then, because you are lukewarm, and neither [c]cold nor hot, I will vomit you out of My mouth
Why do you not finish the passage rather than only reading part of it? “Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling for it is God working in you to Will and do according to his good pleasure!” Why don’t you warn people about the dangers of thinking that they can save themselves through their own effort or based on their own virtue? What about that slippery slope? Since every other religion on the face of the earth is works based this will be the slippery slope that takes most people to hell!!!
@@kevincarney1984 *"He will render to each one according to his WORKS: to those who by patience in well-DOING seek for glory and honor and immortality, he will give ETERNAL LIFE; but for those who are SELF-seeking and do not OBEY the truth, but obey unrighteousness, there will be wrath and fury"* Romans 2:6-8 Who doesn't want to do works??? SELFISH people. *_The HOLY Spirit who IS the Spirit of Christ LOVES GOOD WORKS_* 🥰 Without WORKS our FAITH is DEAD(useless) Please Read *James 2* WITH the Holy Spirit 🥰 Teaching AGAINST WORKS is AGAINST what Christ taught. 😢 *_WHY do you think HE WASHED HIS DISCIPLES DIRTY FEET?????_* 🦶 So on Judgement Day WE are all without excuse. IF the Highest King can HUMBLE Himself, He expects the SAME from us. *HE is our EXAMPLE in everything. 1 Peter 2:21* 🙌 FAST/PRAY and humbly ASK HIM. 😔 🙏💕
Cory, you are reading the scriptures in favor of OSAS. Why would the Lord continue to say: “. . . unless the apostasy comes first . . .“ 2 Thes 2:3 “. . . return backslider” Heb 3:14, “...if he shrinks back, My soul has no pleasure in him” Heb 10:38 “. . . be on guard so that you are not carried away“ 2 Peter 3:17; 1 Tim 4:1 “. . . they are again entangled in them and overcome . . . For it would have been better for them never to have known the way of righteousness . . .” 2 Per 2: 20-21 “But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith . . .” 1 Tim 4:1 And what is holiness and its value to you? Colossians 1:21-23 21 And you, who once were alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now He has reconciled 22 in the body of HIS FLESH THROUGH DEATH, TO PRESENT YOU HOLY, and blameless, and above reproach in His sight- 23 if indeed you continue in the faith, grounded and steadfast, and are not moved away from the hope of the gospel which you heard, which was preached to every creature under heaven, of which I, Paul, became a minister. How is it that you are so certain that someone cannot become so discouraged and overwhelmingly doubtful that they discontinue in the faith? “The latest high-profile Christian personality to renounce his faith is Paul Maxwell, the well-known "Desiring God" writer. Maxwell said on his Instagram feed: ‘What I really miss is connection with people. What I've discovered is that I'm ready to connect again. And I'm kind of ready not to be angry anymore. I love you guys, and I love all the friendships and support I've built here. And I think it's important to say that I'm just not a Christian anymore…’” The Christian Post CP VOICES | SATURDAY, APRIL 17, 2021 There were several others. Why do you believe that all those who claim to once have believed cannot fall away, give up the fight, feel that the struggle causes them to sacrifice self too much and quit. I pondered what my life would look like if I began to live as if I answered to no one. The way you all teach makes one feel that it is acceptable to give it a try for a while because you know that God will bring you back. That is dangerous!!! What if after choosing to experience a more sinful life, they die? Where does this person go? Because they chose to denounce the ways of God without having come back, what happens to their soul? I believe the Lord is not to be played with. We are to cherish the relationship and His ways; once having experienced that and choosing to “do you,” you just may be DONE. Just because the atonement is done (Jesus did His part), doesn’t mean that we are not charged with sanctification. Why then do we continue to ask for forgiveness (some repent, some don’t)? We ask for forgiveness because we demonstrate that we understand our brokenness and how we would remain in it had it not been for Jesus. But if you continue to “do you” to pleasure yourself in ungodly ways without repenting, what is that? That is choosing to walk away. That is refusing to turn away from sin. Many Israelites walked away without repentance and paid for it because their faith waned. Why then are we not able to be judged by our not choosing Jesus any longer? Israel experienced God firsthand - in the physical and spiritual, YET SOME FELL AWAY. Just as they needed to repent (turn away) of their wicked ways, so do we. Just asking for forgiveness does not seal it. We are charged to turn away from sin and do things God’s way. Fornication Lying Allowing yourself to use foul language without effort to change Pride (people excuse themselves all the Vanity (believers are just as caught up in the mirror as the world) Greedy (validating the need for a whole room for their clothing and shoes) Looking for attention (must have the flashy car, the latest amenities, newest iPhone, show how much they spent on their clothing Selfishness (“doing you” and not caring if others are hurt or your misrepresentation of Christ) It is a daily sacrifice; anything else is disobedience. Obedience is better than sacrifice because Christ took care of the ultimate sacrifice. However, we are still called to sacrifice self and die daily. To obey is sacrifice and disobedience must be checked by one’s self. There is always work to do. What we do demonstrates who we are OR HAVE BECOME. And I do not make a dogmatic claim because I know that my knowledge and understanding pales to the TRUTH. Some believers are puffed up and speak as if they don't /can't err regarding some doctrine. PRIDE IS REAL!!! I merely mention this because many believers get to the point where they will swear that what they speak and understand is undisputable and follow with "I'm open to being wrong if someone can prove me wrong." That statement could be considered prideful - and your persona demonstrates pride to me. People may present evidence all day, but if the evidence is up for interpretation, there is no bona fide way to prove or disprove. As I always say, just stop speaking with such certainty about certain issues. Why not just encourage believers to endure and not wane in faith - JUST LIKE THE APOSTLES DID - THEY ENCOURAGED US TO ENDURE!!! COULD THERE BE GOOD REASON FOR THIS?
We just need to encourage fellow believers to ENDURE as the apostles encouraged us. Because we are encouraged numerous times - must be something to it!!! To God be the Glory!!!
For the religious Behavior Modification passes for Holy Spirit Sanctification, The former is Religion, the latter is a Relationship with God through the finished work of Christ
Your teaching on eternal security and tongues has really set me free and I truly believe the Lord is using you mightily keep up the great work and spreading the good news of the gospel and rightly dividing the word of truth 🙏
Endurance and OBEDIENCE keeps you safe ! Matthew 10:22 “And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.”
@@brucegolston6507 God says it himself. Psalms 89:29 His seed also will I MAKE to ENDURE for ever, and his throne as the days of heaven. A CHRISTIAN must carry His Cross. The burden is on our shoulders , but at the same time, the work is finished. It's a paradox of the Christian life.
Eternal security is secure, but could someone forfeit their salvation? How could someone who is sealed by the holy spirit become unsealed? It is not possible. If someone says yes to the saviour shouldn't they be confident in their salvation?
You have shown yourself to be a man of integrity tonight. You humbled yourself in front of everyone and admitted how you may have come across to your guests maybe a bit too challenging to them. I have respect for you in telling us your future plans for this concern. 🙂
But why did the apostles repeatedly warn the saints about not falling to temptation, killing the flesh, not being decived etc......shall we continue in sin that grace may abound?? God forbid.....he was talking to the saints...... for the love of money is the root of all evil.. which while some coveted after THEY HAVE ERRED FROM THE FAITH....... and have pierced themselves through with many sorrows 12 but thou O man of God flee these things and follow after righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, meekness.12 fight the good fight of faith pay hold on eternal life where unto thou are also called and hast professed a good profession before many witnesses............the apostles did a whole lot of writing for nothing...I guess 🤔......he was talking to a believer............v9 will show you a saint can fall.... and drown......
@CAJ Action don't ignore the scriptures..... they have erred from the faith..... fall and drown... drown in your sin... Paul was very clear..... Money can become your god... and you can err from the faith and die before you can get back on track.... and you can go to hell..
@@bluetruckhos9926 what is your point? Who teaches that Christian should not be sanctified and set themselves apart from the world? I don’t get what that has to do with losing your salvation bro.
@@kevincarney1984 the point is...the scripture clearly identify ways a believer can leave the faith..... the Bible say the devil is very crafty... and he will use things to get a believer to stray away from God.. so he can destroy your soul..... saints do become addicted to things.. such as money, women,men, drugs, alcohol..etc......if it wasn't possible as believers to walk away from salvation..then I don't understand why the apostles spent so much time talking about being tempted but not giving in the sin..... can't change what the scriptures say.... they have erred from the faith... didn't say they were never saved...... which in some cases that's true.... but not right here....
@CAJ Action Christ is talking to *BELIEVERS* in Revelation. 👀 The whole book is to HIS *SERVANTS* (Rev 1) And more specifically to His *CHURCH* (not to unbelievers) And *HE WARNS us Himself that He is going to spit the LUKEWARM out of His mouth* ⚠ Revelation 3:16 OSAS is a doctrine of MEN/Darby/demons 😈 Chirst also warns us HIMSELF in the parable of *TALENTS* about the* WICKED SERVANT* And in *Mark 4* He tells us Christians *FALLING AWAY* are the ROCKY GROUND To say we *CAN'T FALL AWAY is to DENY what He says* HE never takes away our FREE-WILL. 👀 To say we *_can't CHOOSE to turn away, fall back, fall away, shipwreck our faith, turn and follow satan, return to our vomit, trample the son of God, grieve the Holy Spirit, etc is to say we can NEVER CHOOSE wrong when scripture says we CAN do all these things_* *How does SALT lose it's SALTINESS????* 👀 We are told to *_work out our SALVATION with FEAR & TREMBLING_* 🔥 *Western Churchanity* 😈 REMOVED all *Holy FEAR* because it doesn't SELL 🤑 Yet scripture tells us it's the very *BEGINNING of wisdom* So, it's the *BEGINNING of knowing the Lord* (they don't KNOW HIM, they are teaching a false christ) 😢 🙏💕
@catholictruth102 John 6:39 (KJV) And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which HE hath GIVEN ME I should LOSE NOTHING, but should RAISE IT UP AGAIN at the LAST DAY. ✌️
Some fall away and draw back ! They fall away ! Loosing their salvation ! Hebrews 10:39 “But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.”
There is a very simple problem with the dogma of “once saved, always saved.” That problem is that it is just not biblical! The truth is, the dogma of “once saved, always saved” is part of the doctrines and commandments of men. Consider Matthew 15:1-20; Mark 7:1-23 → Galatians 1:6-20 and II John 1:7-11!
Judas fell from grace n he was an apostle you can lose ur salvation..Jesus is our example and we must follow his lead God is holy n he said be u holy for I am holy ..once saved always saved come straight from the pits of hell🔥👹
So you’re perfect? What was the last sin you committed because yesterday you prob committed over 50 sins? Or how do you keep your salvation mr self righteous
judas was a thief he was there for wrong reasons as many in churches today are he was never one of them thats why he betrayed jesus be holy for i am holy means you must have the holy spirit or you are not saved
@@chrisarmstrong3200 being holy is a life style that's why u have to endure to the end ...bless n holy are those who make the first resurrection.. Judas was an apostle hand pick by Jesus himself (God) ....we all have sin we must strive to live holy ..how can u fall from something you was never apart of ? That's why the bible say the wages of sin is death Judas casted out devils too ...then. His heart changed towards the Lord ..n when ur heart change towards the Lord that's where u begin to back slide now you working again again ...the bible says it's like a dog returning to his vomit or a pig returning to slop 💯..that's why it say u have a form of godliness but deny the power there of ...once you back slide u have a form of it but no power only because ur heart changed..Judas casted out devils because he was filled with the holy ghost...later on his sin found him out meaning he put down holiness n start living they way he wanted (free will) there no such thing once saved always saved at all n the bible ...he that endure till the end will be saved ...bless u brother
I was busy with my Bible study prep, when one of the scriptures came up, and my immediate thought was about the once save always save question.....the scripture is 1Chronicles 28:9......
This speaks of a RIGHTEOUS man that has started to fall back into sin ! Ezekiel 3:21 “Nevertheless if thou warn the righteous man, that the righteous sin not, and he doth not sin, he shall surely live, because he is warned; also thou hast delivered thy soul.”
I Love listening to you teach the Bible!! I love the fact that you understand the language that was spoken back when the scriptures were written and can translate it. It makes me trust you as a teacher. I understand the scriptures so much better. I'll be glad when you also get into the New Testament where we the Gentiles are more relevant. Thank you so much for what you do and I think you're a real blessing to me and many others. I love you my brother
You can only have assurance if you know you have put your faith and trust in Jesus Christ alone to save you. It is by grace THROUGH faith, not of works (works are the fruit of our faith which is why we need to hold fast to it, examine ourselves to see if we have THE faith that Jesus and His Apostles taught, and never depart from the faith.
@@hopeseeker97 I have faith but not sure if faith or belief is saving. It’s hard to explain but I know the demons believe and they tremble so believing is not enough and I guess I believe in my head but it’s never really moved my heart. I think this is more common than people admit but never really answered sometimes. I’ll keep praying
In one of my visitations to hell, Jesus showed me a person who was a Christian (Jesus said “he was a Christian like you”). But the guy unfortunately started sleeping around (he was planning on repenting later). He died middle aged and went to hell forever it was dark but Jesus lit up the area, he asked Jesus for another chance but unfortunately it was too late for him, Pretty said, Repent and ask Jesus to help you with your struggles (James 4:7)
In one of my visitations to hell, Jesus showed me a person who was a Christian (Jesus said “he was a Christian like you”). But the guy unfortunately started sleeping around (he was planning on repenting later). He died middle aged and went to hell forever it was dark but Jesus lit up the area, he asked Jesus for another chance but unfortunately it was too late for him, Pretty said, Repent and ask Jesus to help you with your struggles (James 4:7)
And God bless you brother Corey. I think the problem is that most people don't understand salvation. And that it's by grace, we don't deserve it. That's why they think they can lose it. Just keep them in your prayers and I will as well.🙏🏽
No one thinks you can lose it. Lose is an unconscious decision. Falling away from the faith, apostasy, walking away, not believing anymore are all conscious decisions and choices, so why do people keep saying lose which implys on accident without knowledge misplaced etc? They non osas people think God is not a Calvinist God and does not determine who ahead of time who will be saved and who will be damned before humans existed. They also believe that once you accept Jesus Christ you do not lose the free will to one day fall away from the faith reject Christ, reject belief in Jesus, which is the faith, and commit apostasy which we are warned not to do through the New testament. Jesus says people in the faith will fall away from the faith that's as simple as it gets, he does not say once saved always saved. Salvation is conditional, based on belief in Jesus that's in the faith in him in Christ Jesus. .by God grace through faith which is not a work but an ability all men have, so we can't boast either way. .that's why we must continue in belief to the end to be saved. . God is not a Calvinist God that forces humans to believe or withholds their ability to believe not before creation, not after you are saved. Or then your belief is a false belief, and his judgement would be unfair to all of those who do not belief because they are not forced with irresistible grace which is forced salvation hyper grace once saved always saved don't repent sin freely licence to sin man made doctrines, designed to give false hope to those headed to hell if they do not repent and be restored to true belief, at the worst and to creat lazy Luke warm fruitless christians at the least bad. Both are terrible and Satan loves it. If once saved always saved is true then once damned always damned by definition would also have to be true, and that's Calvinism which says before you were born you were either a respected person to God and predestination primarily saved you not Jesus except as a secondary cause dependent in the primary cause of your salvation, predestination , so should we pray to predestination or God respecting us over others for no apparent reason, it just has to come to pass in time ? .then the majority of people are made for wrath and destruction because God withholds saving grace, so even Jesus can't save them if he wanted to, because again they are predestined to hell made for hell and cannot believe. , in hyper calvinism like James white teaches even the sins rape murder evil thoughts the fall of Satan Adam and eve were all scripted by God yes even child sexual assault rape abortion murder lgbt sin they are all scripted by God for a purpose to think the thoughts and do the sin with no way not to. I reject that We must be careful not to force God in a corner with ideas doctrine or even worse to judge those that fall away from the faith as never saved to begin with as that is us taking Jesus job as the judge of salvation away and giving it to sinful man, sure we can speculate and say if they did not repent before death and believe they are going to hell, , only jesus knows the heart and their last moment of life, even Judas, who ironically we may see in heaven, when we judge people to absolute hell, that just shows arrogance like the scribes and Pharisees looking down on the tax collector and sinners. If we were not told of the thief on the cross story, many would say certainly he's in hell, but at the last moment unknown to many who knew him he repented confess and believed and was saved imho Instead we should use scripture to teach rebuke reprove encourage the fallen away from the faith brother to be restored to the faith with prayer and truth. Not say you must not have been saved because my doctrine says you will not fall away from the faith until apostasy. They may have simply backslidden or lost a love one and temporarily in doubt so let's not damn them to hell or say they were never saved we don't know the heart or last moments of life . And if they truly walked away from belief to apostasy, let's still not give up on them give prayers for them as we were once fallen as well and someone did not give up on us.
I love you brother..you just don't get it , you can loose you salvation if you decided to walk away from Christ. Please read Hebrew 6:1-6, read it multiple translations my brother. Love you brother.
What' s the root of the conditional security doctrine? Is in all the wanrings and the "if's" that have been provided in scripture. If "eternal security" (OSAS) were true, then there would have been no point in warnings like these: ■ "If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:" (2 Timothy 2:12) ■ "If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned." (Jesus, in John 15:6) You must first *_be_* a branch before you can be "cast forth as a branch." And obviously we *can* be "cast forth" after becoming a branch. Jesus did not say "once a branch, always a branch." Jesus clearly warned what would happen to servants who returned to sin: ■ "But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken; The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers." (Jesus, in Luke 12:45,46) "Once saved, always saved," with "eternal security"? Apparently not. Sins "all paid for, past, present and future"? Apparently not. That servant was going to pay for his sins himself. The apostle Paul had the holy spirit. Paul clearly refuted "once saved, always saved": he stated it was possible for him to revert to a life of sin and therefore be rejected . . . thrown out . . . a "castaway": ■ "But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway." (1 Corinthians 9:27) There's a message there for all who have been misled to believe that *having* the holy spirit is a guarantee of your salvation. We must remain in repentance, being *led* by the holy spirit (read Romans 8:13,14) and "walking after the spirit" (Romans 8:1) . . . not just _having_ it and ignoring it. The apostle Paul warned that Gentile believers - even after being "graffed" into the "vine," - could be "cut off" the vine, just as the "natural branches" (the Israelites) had been broken off: ■ "For if God spared not the natural branches, *take heed lest he also spare not thee.* Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, *if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off."* (Romans 11:19-22) If, after overcoming sinfull living through knowing Jesus, a person then returns to a life of sin, "the latter end is worse with them than the beginning": ■ "For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire." (2 Peter 2:20-22) Here is another warning "if" about returning to a life of sin: ■ "For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries." (Hebrews 10:26,27) *_Can you lose your salvation?_* Trick question, because it incorrectly presumes you *_have_* salvation. Jesus said we must endure to the end to be saved (Matthew 10:22) . . . and we have not endured to the end. The church is *in judgment* right now . . . NOT "saved": ■ "For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?" (1 Peter 4:17) ■ "Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it." (Hebrews 4:1) Christians need to understand justification (now) vs salvation (later). Paul wrote that justification and salvation are different things, at different times (Romans 5:9). While we abide in Jesus and "walk after the spirit" (Romans 8:1) we remain in justification and are "in His goodness" or grace (Romans 11:22) -not under condemnation. While in justification we have "the hope of salvation" and are "appointed . . . to obtain salvation." Here's Paul: ■ "But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation. For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ" (1 Thessalonians 5:8,9; also read Peter in Acts 15:11). We have many warnings not to fall away from justification because if we do, we'll forfeit that "hope of salvation." We'll miss our appointment to receive the promised gift of eternal life (1 John 2:25), at Jesus' "revelation," His return (1 Peter 1:13; 1 Corinthians 15:50-54; 1 Thessalonians 4:13-17). Upon receiving eternal life at Jesus' return, then you will have eternal security. Short of receiving eternal life you will perish, very much unsaved. Here's more of the many warnings not to fall away from justification. Note the "ifs" with conditions: ■ "Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall: For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ." (2 Peter 1:10,11 ) ■ "Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God. But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;" (Hebrews 3:12-14) ■ "And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight: If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;" (Colossians 1:21-23 ) Another "if": we must choose to be led by the holy spirit: ■ "For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live. For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God." (Romans 8:13,14) It IS possible to fall away, even after being made a "partaker" of the holy spirit! There would have been no point in writing the next passage if it were impossible to fall away: ■ "For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame." (Hebrews 6:4-6) We can "fail of the grace of God": ■ "Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord: Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled" (Hebrews 12:14,15) Our names CAN be blotted out of the book of life: ■ "He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels." "And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book." (Revelation 3:5 and 22:19) The wolf says "you're safe . . . no danger here . . . no harm can come to you." The "instantly saved, eternally secure" message DEFIES AND CONTRADICTS ALL THE WARNINGS provided in scripture. People need to WAKE UP because there is massive deception going on. Spiritual warfare is raging and most don't realize it.
So what about the great falling away? Or it says how some would leave the faith and give way to seducing spirits? So was the question then, were they ever really saved? So basically are you saying that if you "can" walk away, then you weren't really saved?
Brother I don’t know if you will ever see this comment and I believe you are spot on. I would like your take on 1 Cor 3:12-15. The foundation is Christ. If all the works built upon that foundation is burned up, meaning they didn’t have a single work they did that endures, the passage seems to indicate that person shall be saved. I take this as assurance that not everyone who is a believer produces works that benefit them or anyone else. 1 John 3:9 says Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin (New Man) for His seed remainders in him; and he cannot sin because he is born of God. Now we know we sin until we die but God sees his son in us and does not see the sin of our flesh. 1 John 5:18 We know that whosever is born of God sinneth not; but He (Christ) that is begotten of God keepeth him and that wicked one toucheth him not. This is reinforced by Paul in Romans 7:18-20 when he says he sins in the flesh even doing what he doesn’t want to do but Christ sees his spirit not his flesh. This to me shows that not every believer produces good works and may not produce any but they are still saved because God sees his Son and not their flesh.
No, you cannot lose your salvation! If someone walks away from the faith, then they were a false convert. If someone lives in unrepentant sin for years and years, but claims Christ, they are also a false convert.
@Kush Castro Psalm 51, is David's prayer of repentance after he sinned with Bathsheba. He was crying out to God not to leave him. Verse 52 says, "Restore to me the joy of YOUR salvation, and uphold me by Your generous spirit." Salvation is the Lord's. Philippians 1:6, "being confident of this very thing, that He who has begun a good work in you will complete it until the day of Jesus Christ." This verse is speaking of sanctification, which occurs after someone is truly saved. God can't save someone and not continue to do a good work in them.
@Kush Castro Luke 8:11-15 is the parable of the sower explained. Verse 13 says they "receive the word with joy, and these have NO ROOT". They initially got excited, but the gospel never penetrated their hearts and minds. If someone falls away from the faith, they were a false convert, and never saved to begin with.
@Kush Castro if someone claims Christ, and then later denies Him, they were a false convert, and never saved to begin with. Christ isn't going to deny someone salvation, after they are already saved. I would urge you to study the attributes of God, His righteousness, His sovereignty etc. God is not going to extend mercy and grace upon someone and then yank it away one day. If someone prays the sinners prayer, but their life never really changes and they live in unrepentant sin for years, they were never really saved to begin with.
@Kush Castro this is why it's so important to read scripture in context. 2 Peter 2:18-22, is speaking about the deceptions of false teachers. Verse 20 says, "For if, after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the beginning." So again, it said they had the initial knowledge, it does not say they are saved yet. It also says they "are again entangled in them and OVERCOME. Someone who has a saving knowledge of the truth may be decieved for a moment, but will not be overcome completely by deception that they turn away from God.
You can fall away and loose your salvation ! Quit the nonsense! Read this carefully! Ezekiel 18:26 Context 23Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? saith the Lord GOD: and not that he should return from his ways, and live? 24But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die. 25Yet ye say, The way of the Lord is not equal. Hear now, O house of Israel; Is not my way equal? are not your ways unequal? 26When a righteous man turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and dieth in them; for his iniquity that he hath done shall he die. 27Again, when the wicked man turneth away from his wickedness that he hath committed, and doeth that which is lawful and right, he shall save his soul alive. 28Because he considereth, and turneth away from all his transgressions that he hath committed, he shall surely live, he shall not die. 29Yet saith the house of Israel, The way of the Lord is not equal. O house of Israel, are not my ways equal? are not your ways unequal?
You are quoting Old Testament scripture, which is all a shadow of Christ. You need to be able to see Christ in these passages. Are you under the Old Covenant? Then why would this passage apply to you?
@@medic4christ777 New Testament: ■ "For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries." (Hebrews 10:26,27) ■ "But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway." (1 Corinthians 9:27) ■ "But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken; The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers." (Luke 12:45,46) ■ "For if God spared not the natural branches [the Israelites], take heed lest he also spare not thee. Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off." (Romans 11:21,22) ■ "For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire." (2 Peter 2:20-22) ■ "Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it." (Hebrews 4:1)
@@TheBibleSays Anybody that quotes Hebrews 10:26 and interprets it the way you just did I stop listening to. You just showed me you don't actually read the Bible. Anyone that has bothered to read Hebrews chapter 10, rather than plucking verse 26 out and using it out of context, knows that what the passage is referring to is GOING BACK TO THE LAW. Try reading the chapter. Romans chapter 11 tells you outright that this is referring to UBELIEF, and Paul is speaking to GENTILES as a WHOLE, verses JEWS as a WHOLE. Understand covenant theology and Roman's 11 will make sense to you. Hebrews chapter 4 is referring to UNBELIEVING JEWS who did not mix hearing the gospel with faith. Again. Read the chapter rather than cherry picking verses. Read the Bible! 2 Peter clearly tells you this passage is referring to people who were ALMOST saved, but they were diverted from the knowledge of the truth and went back into unbelief. Matthew chapter 12 refers to this same concept. The spirit that is cast out goes into the desert and brings back 7 friends, to find an EMPTY (no Holy Spirt) house and takes residence. Their end is worse than when they first began. Your problem is the same as everyone else who believes what you do. You are ignorant of the word of God. If you took the time to READ the word of God, rather than cherry picking verses, maybe you would learn something.
@@medic4christ777 Hebrews was written to *_believers:_> Hebrews 3:1 Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and *High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;* Hebrews 10:19-27: OBVIOUSLY WRITTEN TO BELIEVERS . . . WARNING THEM NOT TO SIN WILLFULLY. Just READ IT: "Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus, By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh; And having an high priest over the house of God; Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water. Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised;) And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works: Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching. *For if we sin wilfully* after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries." Hebrews 12:1,2 "Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us, Looking unto *Jesus the author and finisher of our faith;* who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God." Hebrews 12:22-24 But *ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem,* and to an innumerable company of angels, *To the general assembly and church of the firstborn,* which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, *And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant,* and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel. Hebrews 13:20,21 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead *our Lord Jesus,* that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant, Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen. Your attempts to explain away other verses like 2 Peter 2:20-24 and Luke 12:45,46 were really sad. 2 Peter 2:20 context was people who had escaped the "pollutions of the world." *_How had they done that?_* "Through the knowledge of of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ." You wrote *_"Matthew chapter 12 refers to this same concept."_* No, the servan't's problem was that he had returned to sin: ■ "But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken; The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers." (Luke 12:45,46)
@@TheBibleSays Hebrews was written to HEBREWS - Jewish converts to Christ who were being tempted to go back to the LAW. The entire book is about this. You don't read the Bible and that is your problem. They are being told to keep the faith because many of the Jewish converts to Christ were being GALATIONIZED and returning to the law. That's the entire premise of HEBREWS. You have no understanding of what you are reading.
Bro. Corey. The Hebrew Christians had come under severe persecution for their Christian faith and many were in danger of abandoning the faith to go back to the old Judaism System, hence the writer of Hebrews issued that warning about the danger of doing so. I t's similar to when Paul warned the Galatians about their falling from grace."
As long as you keep responding to the HOLY GHOST, He will keep you in His hand and nothing will get you out of His hand, unless you intentionally turn away, or blaspheme the HOLY GHOST. If you turn away and He draws you back, you can repent. The only thing keeping you from returning is blasphemy of the HOLY GHOST
What does this say ? Hebrews Chapter 6 4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, 5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, 6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. / this says you can loose your salvation ! This verse says “ if they shall fall away “ which means they fall from GRACE ! This says you can loose your salvation! REPENT!
The problem with OSAS is not all the verses that talk about how we are secure in Christ (and there are MANY), the problem is that if there is ONE SINGLE WAY, regardless of how remote or difficult then OSAS as you present it is not accurate. For me the problem comes from the sin of apostacy. Is this a real sin as described by 1Tim 4:1, 1Tim 5:8, 11-12, 2 Pet 2:20-21 then there seems to be a way that someone can deny the faith that they HAD. Let us not forget that salvation comes by grace through faith. Now, we like to deal with this by quoting 1 John 2:19 "They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us.". But is this a universal reason, to say they were just not saved the solution to everything?. Is this the impression we get from verses like 1Tim 4:1, 1Tim 5:8, 11-12, 2 Pet 2:20-21, that these people were just not saved? The only way to deal with these verses on apostasy is to say a) They were not saved (the text does not seem to support this) b) Do Bible acrobatics so the text means something different than what it plainly says. Like saying that this faith is of different kind than what we read in the rest of the New Testament. Now, let it be known, I'm a strong believer in eternal security. I don't trust my own strength to stay faithful till the end and fully rely on God's everlasting faithfulness. Yet, I clearly see something here that does not fit your understanding of eternal security. From these scriptures about apostacy I can only conclude that there is some kind of seduction that can happen in the heart. That there is a path to damnation even if you posses the truth. This is consistent with the warnings about persevering to the end. I will also admit that in light of God's everlasting faithfulness this seems impossible at first glance but I must accept what these verses clearly state, that people can apostate from the faith and after doing so to not be counted as the redeemed. On the other hand I will be the first one to admit this interpretation is not bullet proof too. Questions like a) How can a man undo the work of salvation when he had nothing to do with it {faith is not a work} b) In verses like John 17:3 where it defines eternal life as knowing God, how can you stop knowing God once you know him? c) If God does erase people from the Book of life as Revelation 3:5 says, then how do we account for the sin of apostacy? This subject is part of the great debate about God's sovereignty and man's free will. I for my part accept that there is a mystery here. The Bible states both truths and I believe them both. How do they interact is a mystery (in spite of what many theologians would like to say otherwise). You can argue that I strongly lean on God's sovereignty on this subject, and I admit that I do, but I can't use it to totally erase man's free will from the equation. I believe your interpretation of OSAS goes on that direction. I may have written more than I intended. Keep up the good work. May the Lord bless your faithfulness. Note: Christians have had debates on this subject for centuries {good sign this probably falls under the mystery category}. May your disagreements on this subject be as civil and as full of the spirit as the disagreements of two of my favorite Church heroes, John Wesley and George Whitfield. God Bless!
NOTE, if some of the angels that lived with God in Heaven fell from grace, do anyone really think weak fallen humans cannot fall from grace. Once saved always saved should read. Once saved stay saved. 2 Peter 2:4. For God spared not the angels that sinned but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness to be reserved unto judgment. Once saved stay saved.
Was the prodigal son saved? Did he get saved before or after he returned home?? (I think he was as he was part of a family and he had a grieved and watching Father)
Osas gives the impression that as long as u say u accepted Jesus u are still secured even if u backslide. And its been so many testimonies of pastors and women and men experiencing hell because they taught this doctrine because it led the backslidders into believing they're saved no matter what, and they misled them. No u dont get into heaven by your works its by the mercy and blood of Jesus, but faith without works is dead!. You must repent to be forgiven, you must forgive others for your father to forgive you.. Your good and bad DEEDS will def be judged and it will testify against you. However you lived on this earth was in your heart. Make sure you are doing everything from your heart. That is the heart that Christ gives us, and not the heart of stone. Yes u can loose your salvation no one is good except for Christ all our works is filthy rags. But if we love Christ and obey his commandments and repent we will be children of God. Those who endure till he end will be saved. It's really not hard to understand. People make it hard and start adding things and constantly explaining. Just obey Jesus, keep walking with him!.
I couldn't have said it better myself, it's time to take the gloves off and let people know the real actual truths instead of the lazy lukewarm concepts that seducing spirits and false teachers like to push.
Thank you for methodically hashing out these issues because it’s easy to read passages of scripture and make a case that we can lose our salvation. But when the Bible has passages that seem to contradict each other we must look deeper. The Bible is harmonious. OSAS and s the only way to harmonize scripture. The doctrine of losing one’s salvation has to deal with contradicting passages. OSAS does not.
Many years ago the Lord put this question in my spirit.... If you teach people to abide in Christ and walk in the Spirit, but you are wrong about once saved always saved, then the worst that can happen is; ☁️☁️"GREAT IS THEIR A REWARD IN HEAVEN"!☁️☁️ However if you teach people that they can never walk away from the Lord, and you are wrong about once saved always saved, then the worst that can happen is; 🔥🔥"GREAT IS THEIR TORMENT IN HELL"!🔥🔥
In one of my visitations to hell, Jesus showed me a person who was a Christian (Jesus said “he was a Christian like you”). But the guy unfortunately started sleeping around (he was planning on repenting later). He died middle aged and went to hell forever it was dark but Jesus lit up the area, he asked Jesus for another chance but unfortunately it was too late for him, Pretty said, Repent and ask Jesus to help you with your struggles (James 4:7)
I guess the question should be, “were you ever saved”? We need to examine ourselves for the answer.
Idk why ppl gotta make this issue of salvation complicated when Christ made it so very simple.... you either believe the gospel or you don't!. We don't ever look to ourselves for assurance you will never find it there. Anyone that points you to yourself and your behavior/lifestyle for assurance or evidence of salvation.......Run!!!... The enemy wants u to doubt what God has alrdy promised and guaranteed for you! it is finished, done deal! it stunts our spiritual growth when we doubt God promises to us! Knw that is frm the enemy to cause fear and doubt constantly in you! And he uses these so called teachers to do it!
That's kinda what I'm getting as well
@Sage , I assume because the majority of people are wrong (asleep)😅 and their path is wide.
The narrow way is the path of those who think for themselves, and not easily deceived while following the ways of Christ, and not man.
It’s a lonely road, that be for sure.
@Sage Please read Matt. 7 which has that verse in it. 12] Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.
[13] Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
[14] Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. FOR THIS IS THE LAW IS SAYS.
Christ was speaking to his fellow Jews under the law. That gate is the like the door. The promised Kingdom has a wall and so there is a door to get in. John.10 [1] Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.
John 10 [15] As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.
[16] And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.
[17] Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.
[18] No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.
[19] There was a division therefore again among the Jews for these sayings. AMONG THE JEWS. Christ was speaking to the Jews under the law not us. We are not under the law as Christ commanded his followers AT THAT TIME to obey. Read Acts 15 which exposes two systems of salvation. It was decreed AT THAT TIME that the apostle Paul did not have to preach the Law of Moses to the Gentiles but that the Gentiles had to observe four things so the Jews would not be offended. And it was never brought up that the Jews had to believe in the death and resurrection and the blood He shed for the forgiveness of sins. It was never brought up how we are baptized into the death and resurrection of Christ which seals our salvation from wrath and gives us eternal life. 1Cor. 15, Romans 5&6
@Sage Because He is the way, the truth, and the life. He is the door.
As long as I don’t quit He won’t quit
The title IS click bait. You COULD have said, my APPROACH TO PEOPLE on OSAS has changed. This is 100% brand marketing.
My thoughts on this subject is always is if we could lose our salvation we all would. None of us would make it to heaven.
So true.
@@deandalley3607 yeah it's not like we deserve the free gift of salvation in the first place.
It's through Jesus Christ by abiding in Him and not man.
Stop the clichés... this is worn-out and wrong
@@notremarchedelafin you have no assurance of salvation, what happens if you just fall away a week before you die without realizing it?
We can't do anything to lose our salvation since we didn't do anything to earn it! It's a free gift, For by grace we have been saved through faith in Jesus Christ and His finished work on the cross, it is a gift of God, not as a result of our works! If we are truly saved, our life is transformed and our faith & belief must produce works (fruit as evidence of spiritual transformation). No way should a saved person continue to practice sin.
Salvation is a free gift both for the Jew and the Gentile but only those who believe, confess and repent get it, and only those who remain in Christ to the end make it.
I loved how you started out ==> but i must ask => since YOU & every believer still sin => why would you say you don't continue to practice sin ? Do you think we CONTINUE BEING SAVED by what YOU/WE DO ? Do YOU believe YOU are sinless/HOLY ? IF you believe so ==> YOU ARE WAY OFF THE MARK => and are deceiving yourself.
@@yohabi4738 Total crap. SALVATION IS ABOUT JESUS => not your behavior.
@@yohabi4738 You are correct but only as far as the , Comma , then you are switching to another system of salvation. Yes there are 2 systems, Jesus and Peter and the other disciples taught that the Jews had to obey the law. In Acts 15 you will see it. Paul was being harrassed for not bringing the requirements of obeying the Law of Moses in his preaching to the Gentiles. It was decreed by the Jewish churches elders that Paul only request that his converts follow 4 things. Things that a Jew would find totally appalling. If the Jews have to obey the Law and Gentiles only have to believe in the gospel according to that gospel that Paul taught which was not revealed until Paul received it from Christ and revealed it. Corey has these things blended together, mixing the 2 as most do.
This so called"Good works" "fruit bearing" whatever that is... is not evidence of salvation! It Just proves u don't really trust Christ redemptive work that's why ur looking to yourself! you will never get assurance of salvation by looking at yourself! Works as evidence of salvation is a very subtle false gospel! The enemy wants u to doubt God's word! He wants you to be focused on you and not Christ perfect once for all sacrifice! Don't let him do it!!!!!
I don't agree with the OSAS message. "But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway" 1 Corinthians c9 v27. Clearly, Paul was concerned about losing his salvation after preaching and winning souls for Christ.
Yup and the word castaway reprobate in the Greek is adókimos, ad-ok'-ee-mos; from G1 (as a negative particle) and G1384; unapproved, i.e. rejected; by implication, worthless (literally or morally):-castaway, rejected, reprobate.
And it also says not standing the test not approved.
I respect a person who has the guts to admit they made a mistake.
I was watching documentary on a historical figure who said -
I would have to image that a man who thinks that everything that he believes to be true is quite vain. And that which he does not believe in is always be false. So that is my other than the scripture saying for today. lol. I think he has a point.
What about the Bible saying the race doesn't go to the Swift end to the strong but to those that endure to the end what if I don't believe in till the end not thinking that God isn't capable but what if I am falling short what if I am haunted by my past Deeds that took place after I confess Christ as my savior kept stumbling and falling because when the trial's came I never passed the test
Except when they replace the first mistake with another mistake.
Instead rebuke them again boldly but in love with grace and compassion.
@@theconsciousme4801 just repent and believe jesus has and will continue to forgive you.
If you are convicted of sin that means the holy spirit is working in you as a believer
.if you were not convicted like a lot of osas hyper grace no need to ever repent again after sin its all taken care of people are not ,then you would need to worry ..
If we confess our sins that's the current sense as well he is faithful to forgive us and to clean us from unrighteousness.
That assumes the opposite is true if we dont.
Even Paul repented daily The lords prayer e example says we should pray father forgive us our sins and here is the important part as we forgive those who sin against us.
If we cannot forgive others jesus is very clear God will not forgive us.
And I believe this is a message for believers.
And maybe one of the reasons why he will say to some other than self boasting and pride of we did this and that in your name.
I never know you.
I made many mistakes but I have learned by them.
This channel found me at the right exact time in my life. What a blessing. Thank you bother for your ministry. Definitely making me what to grow stronger in my faith 🙏🏻🗽
I got saved young but didn't have any guidance and backslid for years... I don't believe if Jesus came back and the rapture happened and I was drinking at a bar or fornicating that I would have been raptured.... I left him he didn't leave me....
I'm back... I walk in faith everyday now....
All glory to God.... Amen....
I have a very similar testimony, and I would consider myself a false convert initially when I was living in unrepentant sin
Me too, it’s hard to say..
I went to the front of the cross as my grandma always told me to do she said you go straight to the throne a picture of his blood dripping on you I got saved in The chapel at a hospital my grandma wasn't doing good we have a big family and family was starting to feed and I was getting ready to grab a hold of one of my nieces and her mom and just tear them up I was a baby girl six brothers and military family my grandpa was in world war II my dad Vietnam three brother uncles Vietnam nephews Iraq praise God they all came home... But as I approached them something picked me up and took me right past them and I ended up in the chapel and I went right up to the front of the chapel where the steps are just a little chapel little hospital and I hit my knees and I pictured myself at the foot of the cross just his grandma always told me to do and my mother the Lord knew I would have probably hurt them the boys I went through their boot camp I'll put it that way they wanted to make sure I could defend myself but I just started praying and talking to him begging for forgiveness and telling him I wasn't Worthy none of us are and I confessed sins that I couldn't even remember that I don't even remember today and then of course my grandma I said Lord if it's your will then she'll be gone I'm not ready to lose her but you will be done and I was down there on my knee for a good hour and a half and I'm talking not flying tears flying I wasn't playing and he knew my heart he knew and when I came up I was a different person everybody in the hospital can see it on my face they knew before I could say a word and about 2 weeks later my grandma passed away and she was the rock of the foundation that is the honest truth but she told me that the family would never be the same.
And she was right it was like I was walking on air there is no high in the world like Jesus none now I've never done those street drugs never I did drink and I have a severe panic and anxiety disorder so they would have me on Xanax or Klonopin which I would abuse them I quit smoking weed I've never picked weed up again I quit drinking and never drank again oh I did I'd try I drink one or two and I don't want it but it wasn't me but I'd cuss like a sailor and I guess after she died and nobody was really there to say you know it's a relationship you have to have a relationship with him you know I had the holy Spirit I knew that I mean you could see it on my face that's what I want back I may never get that back I backslid for many years so when people say once saved always saved I have to say I don't know about that because when I backslid and without their partying and popping nerve pills and drinking and I divorced my husband because he was cheating on me so I had a few boyfriends well that's fornication we weren't married it wasn't like I was sleeping around I just had a couple boyfriends for a few years but we were not married so it's fornication I don't believe I would have went to heaven sometimes I will just sit here and praise him just raising because he deserves all the praise he can get and those Sephram angels I could just imagine..... So yes I do get a little scared sometimes and I've begged for forgiveness Lord I'm sorry I left you I'm sorry but I would fight somebody in a minute over the Lord you did not want to get into a conversation with me about Jesus when I backslid... So I understand you guys are saying I do but Jesus loves us okay I'm sorry for the punctuation I have severe rheumatoid arthritis so I can't punctuate everything I used talk to text a couple people has made some pretty rude comments and I just explained to him I'm sorry I apologize I can't help it but the Lord has performed miracles in my family miracles I could go on probably for another 20-30 minutes but it was nice chatting with you... They said backslider is like The prodigal son we came back that's all that matters God bless you and your family now when I get upset or aggravated I didn't stop and look up and say the Lord is my shepherd and I just calm down.....
Well in that case you are STILL backsliding because your STILL not SINLESS ! Smh
@@nowolvesministries9677 no one is sinless but Jesus
Great discussion, I couldn't stop listening. Since I tuned in, I haven't stopped thinking and it has caused me to look deeper into scripture.... and that is always a good thing! Thanks!🙏🏾
*_Once saved, always saved?_* Jesus said we must endure to the end to be saved (Matthew 10:22).
If we're _honest,_ we should not be saying we're already saved. The apostle Paul made it very clear that believers have "the hope of salvation" and have not yet obtained salvation:
■ "But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.
For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ" (Paul, in 1 Thessalonians 5:8,9).
We will not be saved - saved from ever perishing - until we receive the promised gift of eternal life (1 John 2:25) at Jesus' return (1 Peter 1:13; 1 Cor 15:50-54; 1 Thess 4:13-17). Short of actualy receiving eternal life, we'll perish. Unsaved.
In this mortal life we can enter *_justification_* - right-standing - with God. While we are abiding in Jesus in repentance, following the holy spirit, we are in justification -not under condemnation:
■ "There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit." (Romans 8:1)
While we remain in justification we are "in His goodness" or grace, and we have that "hope of salvation." But we can also fall away from justification, no longer "in His goodness" or grace. We'll forfeit that hope of salvation.We have plenty of warnings NOT TO LET THAT HAPPEN. For example:
■ "If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned." (Jesus, in John 15:6)
You must first *_be_* a branch before you can be "cast forth as a branch" or "cut off." And obviously we *_can_* be "cast forth" after becoming a branch. *Jesus did not say "once a branch, always a branch"!* It's nothing less than delusional to think you're "saved" even after being "cast forth as a branch" and "burned."
■ "For if God spared not the natural branches [the Israelites], take heed lest he also spare not thee.
Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off." (Romans 11:21,22)
That's right: we CAN be cut off. "IF thou continue in his goodness" means we CAN FAIL to continue in his goodness or grace. Let's not ignore the ifs and the warnings, dismissing them because we think we're already saved.
Jesus clearly warned what would happen to servants who returned to sin:
■ "But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken;
The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers." (Jesus, in Luke 12:45,46)
"Once saved, always saved," with "eternal security"? Apparently not.
Sins "all paid for, past, present and future"? Apparently not.
That servant was going to pay for his sins himself.
The apostle Paul had the holy spirit. Paul clearly refuted "once saved, always saved": he stated it was possible for him to revert to a life of sin and therefore be rejected . . . thrown out . . . a "castaway":
■ "But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway." (1 Corinthians 9:27)
There's a message there for all who have been misled to believe that having the holy spirit is a "guarantee" of your salvation. We must remain in repentance, choosing to be *_led_* by the holy spirit -not just having it and ignoring it. Note the "ifs":
■ "For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God." (Romans 8:13,14)
If - _after overcoming sin through knowing Jesus_ - a person then returns to a life of sin, "the latter end is worse with them than the beginning":
■ "For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire." (2 Peter 2:20-22)
While we remain in justification, Jesus remains our advocate with the Father (1 John 2:1) and covers - present tense - any new sins by His blood (1 John 1:7). What happens if we no longer abide in Him, and return to a life of un-repentant, willful sin?
■ "For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries." (Hebrews 10:26,27)
Here's more of the many warnings not to fall away. Note the "ifs" with conditions:
■ "Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:
For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ." (2 Peter 1:10,11 )
■ "Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.
But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.
For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;" (Hebrews 3:12-14)
■ "If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:" (2 Timothy 2:12)
■ "And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled
In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:
If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;" (Colossians 1:21-23 )
It IS possible to fall away, even after being made a "partaker" of the holy spirit! There would have been no point in writing the next passage if it were impossible to fall away:
■ "For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame." (Hebrews 6:4-6)
We can "fail of the grace of God":
■ "Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:
Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled" (Hebrews 12:14,15)
Our names CAN be blotted out of the book of life:
■ "He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels."
"And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book." (Revelation 3:5 and 22:19)
Judgment is on "the house of God" - His church - right now:
■ "For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?" (1 Peter 4:17)
■ "Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it." (Hebrews 4:1)
Could it be any more clear? We CAN come short of entering into His rest!
We have warnings not to fall away for a very good reason: we CAN fall away.
Sadly, most are not being taught the difference between justification and salvation, and instead are being taught they are already saved. Then they go on to ignore all the ifs and the warnings . . . because they think they're already "saved."
Amen! This is the truth!
Excellent. You convinced me. You’ve also convinced me that I need to study and retain Gods word A LOT more than what I have been.
It finally clicked for me that we cannot lose our salvation. We have the Holy Spirit sealing us until the day of redemption. If we sin, we have an Advocate. If we continue to sin, we grieve the Holy Spirit and will lose our reward during our judgment. But we will still go to Heaven just by the skin of the teeth. I hope this makes sense.
Wrong, your theology is false, and you are deceived. That is not a biblical Salvation.
Amen
Happy for you. Amazing GRACE.. HOW SWEET IT IS.
@@steviet3995 you don't know my theology so don't assume you do.
@@ericafair9983 Your theology is saying you can not lose Salvation, that is a false theology, when the Bible tells us we can in many scriptures. I have a question, can a Christian lose there healing?
Jesus will never leave you but you can leave Jesus if a person who was once saved denounces Jesus and say they no longer believe in Jesus he will not violate anyone's free will.
Someone who turns thier back on Jesus and denounce him was never truely saved in the first place..fear of thr LORD and the Holy Spirit which is inside of us when we are saved will convict them of thier sin..they could never denounce Jesus or turn thier back on him
Yes this. Why else would the bible tells us about the ten virgins? Ehen has ever unbelievers been called virgins?? Only believers has.. and the great falling away? Who is falling away? Unbelievers?? Nope. The believers.. you can’t fall from something you never belonged to
And that’s the problem this free will word. So does our will overthrow Gods will if HE wants you and loves you where are we going!
Since you didn’t earn your salvation …..it is a gift , that was given before the world was created, then it cannot be lost by your action.
Peace
Hebrews 10:26
My dad gave me a pair of Walkie-Talkies when I was 10. They were a gift-----I did nothing to earn them. ... But, a few months later, in a moment of anger, I left them at the local swimming pool and intentionally walked away from them--I never saw them again.
@@sonlover62 ……”My ways are not your ways”……Do not humanize the Lord.
Peace
@@bblack6868 ... Feel free to explain how you see me doing that---but remember as you do, that Jesus, who was/is God, by His own choice, became "humanized."
@@sonlover62 …..if with your first reply you are equating a walkie-talkie that your father gave you , to eternal salvation given by the Lord , and your ability to walk away from that walkie-talkie, as one’s ability to walk away from Salvation , and thereby lose it …..then yes you are Humanizing the Lord.
Peace
We are saved by Grace only not of our works. We must only believe in the finished work of Jesus Christ 😊
All talk no action means nothing.
Jesus Christ did all my action for me on the Cross He died for me ON
Can I say thank you for doing this and being open and transparent with your channel, it's very appreciated and I know it's hard to come on the internet and be of any stance and put yourself forward to be pulled apart. And thank you for taking this reflection on your stance and be honest and actually open a door for conversation on the topic. Much love and prayers from Ireland 😊
Jesus Christ said remain in me and ye shall bear fruit... Without me ye can do nothing... Any tree that doesn't bear fruit is cut and destroyed.
You are only born again when you remain or abide in Christ and bear fruit.
Question is, would you be in a state of 'born again' when you die? How you meet Jesus Christ on the last day, or at death, is what matters.
That's why Christ warned us to endure unto the end. Carry the cross and follow him. Follow through the narrow gate.
We are warned not to fall but to continue or remain in the faith. Believing or being born again is a life changing thing. If your life isn't changed then you cannot be said to be born again.
It is only those who believe and abide in Christ and continue to bear fruit and endure to the end that are saved.
You don't say you're born again today and then you lock up your born again certificate in the drawer and continue living a sinful life or just like you were before and expect to go to paradise. Eternity with Christ is for those who actually believed, repented, got born gain and aligned their lifestyle with Christ's. It's not that you're perfect about it, but it's the Holy Spirit that helps you and makes you perfect. That's the grace of God. If salvation doesn't require us to change our way of life then Jesus' death on the cross is nonsense.
I'd rather abide in Christ and continue to follow him, trying my best unto the end. I know it's rough the way to paradise but he will not leave me nor forsake me. He knows my feebleness. I believe, abide and follow. He cares, guides and saves.
Once saved always saved doctrine is going to send more Christians to hell than it will send to paradise. Only lazy Christians welcome such teaching. It's confusing and misleading as it is deceiving.
I think you misperceive what OSAS believers actually believe. OSAS isn't a license to sin, instead the Holy Spirit instills faith in those who received Christ. The Holy Spirit continually draws us and advocates for us, keeping us in Christ. If it were up to us and our sinful nature, we would fall away every time. If people aren't showing repentance and faith, they haven't received the promise of salvation and the Holy Spirit.
You can't get a blind person to see anything. No matter what!!
Amen brother
@@charlesrogers5603 Amen Amen!
How can you ever be unborn it is a onetime advent, you can never be unborn. when you were created you cannot be un-created
This gave a great way of looking at the once saved always saved. This is the first of many of your videos that I have watched where I felt you were a little more sarcastic and displayed alittle arrogance. You are an informative teacher. Don't get drawn into a debate that takes away from biblical text, understanding and application.
I love one the comment one person said "once saved, really saved."
Thanks for your kingdom work Cory.
OSRS, I like it
once saved really saved. I like that.
@@realchristianmusicchannele9532 OSAS = OSRS = OSAS Because of Paul's epistles.
Y
No
A free, undeserved gift! Thank you Father God! Help me to live a life of thanksgiving!
Does anyone disagree with that.
That salvation is a free gift from God to mankind by his grace through non meriting faith not physical works so no one can boast that...
I saved myself or helped God saved me, as our faith is not a meriting work and an ability we all have from God
God has of course given mankind the responsibility to believe in him to redeem that free gift.
Through that faith...
That is not his responsibility.
It's ours...
Just as we redeem coupons or open and receive Christmas presents sent by another, and yes we can also reject it, or return it and go back to our prior state.
God bless and take care regardless of your views.
Feel free to share them, we are all in a learning growing state, so no hate from me, but I may challenge you.
Just before you reply to remove Calvinist and once saved always saved man made recent doctrines systematics theology from your thinking and use the bible holy spirit your experience and reasoning etc without those presupposed limitations.
Give God's word the ability to move outside of those confined if the holy spirit demands it.
To GOD Be The Ultimate Honor Praise And Glory forever and ever AMEN 🙏 🙏🙏
And thank you, brother In CHRIST for such great insight. Pray may GOD keep you and your family and continue in guiding you In JESUS Holy Precious Mighty Name AMEN. 🙏 🙏🙏
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Edit: I know i'm late to the live chat; i just wanted to say i know that He Who began a Good Work in me will carry it on until the day of completion in Christ Jesus, because even when i am faithless, He remains Faithful, because He cannot deny Himself - because, having nothing higher to swear by, He swore by Himself - and He is not a man, that He should lie, nor a son of man, that He should change His Mind!
2nd edit: Corey, i think your commitment to do a video responding to each objection put forth regarding eternal security of our eternal Salvation is just a beautiful ministry! God Bless you richly, my Brother!
Sanctification 🙌
What about the great falling away Thessalonians 2:3 can you explain what that means?
Ezekiel 18:24
“But if a righteous person turns from their righteousness and commits sin and does the same detestable things the wicked person does, will they live? None of the righteous things that person has done will be remembered. Because of the unfaithfulness they are guilty of and because of the sins they have committed, they will die.
Ok, what about David?
@@ashleerenae5956 David had to repent and even though forgiven, he had to pay for his sins
@@warriorofgod5587 The wages of sin is death, right. But it also says in Romans, nothing separates us from God.
@@ashleerenae5956 you can separate yourself from God
@@warriorofgod5587have you ever heard of One named Jesus Christ?
Surely you have. Surely you understand Jesus Christ, who is God, died on the cross for your sins was buried, and rose the 3rd day.
This was after Ezekiel.
Ezekiel was for those under the law.
The early Christians taught, there are two stages to your salvation. The first stage is the gift, the gift of salvation. All your sins are wiped clean. The slate is completely clean at this point. That's when you are on the vine that's mentioned in the book of John chapter 15. But there's one more part of salvation. We have to remain on the vine, to remain in the vine Jesus said we have to produce fruits. Any branch that does not produce fruits will be cut off of the vine. And Jesus said thrown into the fire. Again stage one abide in Jesus on the vine. Stage 2, produce fruits and remain on the vine, endure to the end and you will be saved.
There is Absolutely Nothing wrong with monetarily Blessing this man who feeds our Spirit!! I think he should be blessed monetarily because he's doing the work of God and this takes up his time energy and Much thought. So Bless him if you're able!! To me that's showing gratefulness.
Agree 100%!
I can't agree with you more
being obedient,repenting, turning away from sin isthe whole key for staying in the faith
Brother Corey, I struggled with this issue for a while until I found your channel. If it wasn't for your patience I probably would still be struggling. I just want to say thank you for your love and patience, and I will pray to the Lord that he will continue to bless you and use you to lead people to the truth.
From the beginning to the end ! Not just the beginning! Hebrews 3:14
“For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;”
Not TO US......news flash......its to the Hebrews (it's not called the book of Gentiles)......YOU NEED TO LEARN HOW TO RIGHTLY DIVIDE per 2 Tim 2:15...
Yes, I was saved and I started living with a man. I continued to believe God. My heart loved God. 1 Corin 6:9-11. I was dying and was going down to hades. I cried out and Jesus rescued me. Read the Word, trust Jesus and do what HE says, not man.
Total BS.....it's NOT about your behavior....its about Jesus.
I am glad you continued to believe, and did not fall away, I pray for all those that did to repent as well and be restored.
@@Tigerex966 thank you!🙏
@@13kimosabi13 thank you
what does Jesus say? "IF you love ME, you WILL follow My commandments"
willful unrepentant sin means someone is not saved
This is Why We Must Spend Special Time with Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, alone in Prayer and Reading His Word to Know Him Even More!
Exactly! I believe a lot of people who think they are saved really aren't (just as I was until 3+ years ago)!
1 Timothy 4:1
[1] Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons,
Exactly, you can't depart from the Faith if you were not part of the Faith at one point.
I feel like im always battling temptation and self control and lust. I stumble but i know thats its wrong. I want to obey Jesus but i feel like i am not doing that as well as I should.
Faint not. Meaning don't give up, don't give in. Continue to fight and endure to the end.
Continue to call on Christ Jesus for He is your help when these thing come up on you.
What ever you do don't give in, battle and fight to the end. I pray for you to win this battle over lust and self control. Pray for me also for we all fall short. Thanks to our Lord and savior Jesus Christ we can a life free of condemnation. As you continue your walk in Christ and obey his word you will become more equipped and ready. Be consistent and don't give up. I pray for you, In Jesus name, Amen.
King James Bible
He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.
King James Bible
For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.
King James Bible
Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?
King James Bible
And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
If you feel that way, and want to do better then the holyb spirit and talking to you and convicting you.
If you know longer could care less, like it does not matter what I do In save so there, then you would be in trouble.
Fasting really helps pray, we all will struggle with past habits and things that may take a life time if ever to over come.
just repent or turn from them, seek help if you can from someone who has a testimony in that area, like drinking drugs porn hate anger adultery fornication stealing lying etc greed.
yes christians still struggle with these from time to tome, even though they know better , while we are still in the flesh, repenting each time the spirt leads us turning away, tsaking steps to flee the temptation before we get their, like a drunk should stay away from bars, and places that push booze, as that is tempting him.
If he fails he is still saved, he should repent and turn back away from the booze, remeber what made him weak pray study and aviod that temptation if possible next time, God will forgive he is faithful when we confess our sins as believers.
some can go cold turkey, some need more time some a life time, if they are believers they will know whats wrong in their heart as the holy spirit convicts and then comforts them after repentance, that trust in their lord and savior is their faith, and Jesus has them as believers.
Can they choose to fall away from the faith, the bible says yes, can they choose a false faith doctrines of devils, the bible says yes, if they no longer believe they are not saved.
But the good news is as long as they are alived and genuine God will indeed accept them back restore them as the prodcal son, who if he did not believe and returned would have been dead and a lost son.
But he repented retruned and was found and restored.
Amen.
"I find this law at work in my members, the good I would do I do not, the evil I would not do those things I do. Who will deliver me from this body of death? Praise God Jesus Christ delivers me!" These were the words of the Apostle Paul. You aren't alone, we're all in the same boat. I hope and pray that we're all delivered from these bodies of death soon. MARANATHA
You are precious... Thank you for your gracious words.
Don’t be weary ! This means you are still doing something and have not stopped! “ faint not “ means you need to endure this life unto the end !!! Galatians 6:9
“And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not.”
Glad I watched some of this. When I saw the title I had written you off in my mind and was disappointed.
A person simply can not lose salvation God's grace is sufficient and he said no one could pluck us from his hand praise God. When someone supposedly turns from God and loses their salvation, the truth is that they never had it
33% of angles living in Heaven with God fell from grace, people can fall from grace also.
The title should say, once saved stay saved.
@@chaplainsoffice6907 we are not saved by anything that we do other than by putting our faith and trust in our lord and savior therefore if we can not lose our salvation it was a gift freely given to us thru his grace
You're wrong I gave my Life to JESUS at 9 But some things happened in my
Teen years and I fell into sin and walked like the world. I was saved but I walked away but thank GOD for his mercy and grace HE kept calling me back and I repented of my sins and walk in the spirit to the best of my ability. We all slip but there is a big difference in walking in sin. HEB 10: 26
@Robert M Simpson Jr the fact that you are a Christian today proves my point just because you stray does not mean your no longer a Christian my friend it simply means your human and imperfect.........God Bless brother
@@kencollier5520 if you stray and don't come back there is no hope for you or me. Hebrews 10: 26
We aren't given the option to go on sinning (1 John 2:4, 3:6-9, 1 Cor 5:11-13, Hebrews 10:26-29). Truth is that we cannot possibly go on with a "I can't help it" mindset (I'd know, I'm the king of sinners) with the Holy Spirit residing in us. Are we to say that we didn't know better? We do. Are we to sin so grace may abound? God forbid it! If we sin, we have an advocate in Christ. Thank GOD. But the sweeping grace people talk about in Romans 3:21-31 actually talks about "former sins" being passed over. I don't see where "future sins" is listed. Even the early church fathers talked on "heathen repentance" being a fake one characterized by repetitious sin (see Tertullian, for example), or discussing penance for "involuntary sins" (Clement) and not even giving way for voluntary sins. All in all, we must make ourselves living sacrifices, denying ourselves and picking up our cross DAILY. We in the developed world are soft Christians... let's repent and pursue holiness unlike ever before, that we may attain to that which is eternal in Christ.
This is salvation not probation. God knows who believes Him. That is all that matters. I know I believe and have Eternal Life in Christ. YAY!
JOHN CH 3 VS 16 My redeemer says everything for ME PERSONALY and JESUS CHRIST DOES NOT LIE
Theres a scripture in Ezekiel 18: 24-26 it clearly states that a righteous person ( believer) can turn away from his righteousness and die in their sins...That's the reason I'm having trouble with "osas"...I know this is old testament, but the bible is prophetic...
Great point! You and I think alike. I just used that scripture on my video, "Are you Sure you're saved?" Quote starts at 3:39 in the video. In my research, a lot of people told me that when Christians were falling away, that was only during the tribulation, and not at any other time in history, and then I bring up the same scripture you referred to and tell them that believers and Christians have been falling away throughout history.
For the people who feel you can lose your salvation, I want to know if they suddenly understood that salvation CAN'T be lost would they go out and sin as they please? I think the answer would be very revealing.
@@janae3076 I AGREE. What's clear though is that the prevailing argument against OSAS is that you can sin as you please and still go to Heaven, as if the ONLY reason someone would believe in OSAS is to sin without fear. If someone would say "sure, if I couldn't lose my salvation I'd sin all day long," I'd think that would be a good indication of the lack of the salvation they feel they have to work to keep. But OSAS people aren't looking for a reason to sin, we just know that JESUS is the ONLY prevailing factor in our salvation. He draws us, and He keeps us. We just thank Him for choosing us.
@@jdoggmusicman That's not a true argument though. Those are based on human reasoning rather then the full word. The real argument is that we are called to repentance as a part of salvation and also to believe. Yet belief is not mearly a word you say because the demons believe. You see to bring salvation down to one phrase is the dumbest point of this whole conversation. Salvation is talked about in the bible and all scriptures must be included. Also the osas view avoids judgement all together. Thats is a big fat No! The scripture is more then clear on this, God will judge you no matter what you think about having a sure salvation. Time will tell on you and that which was done in the dark will come to light. This is why you workout your salvation. Osas as a doctrine and phrase should be removed from christian teachings and the scriptures should replace these theories of the imagination. Osas leads to a man telling another man he's saved and so he has judged him. This is sin.
@@jdoggmusicman Yes but we are uniquely called to salvation. In my case I was definitively saved as a child and a devoted Christian. But after unexpected hardships and a broken home in the teen years I began to live as I pleased until my late 20's before I surrendered to God as an adult.
The point is I knew I was saved early in life but took it for granted many years. The consequences were painful and my faith didn't grow for a long time, yet it was still there when I was ready to genuinely mature in Christ. OSAS is my testimony.
@@uview1 My testimony is similar, except I can't blame a broken home.
@@michaelseeker9680 there are other passages that support the osas doctrine. Things such as that the bible teaches the church is God's bride and "what God joined together let no man tear asunder". Or when John says they went away from us because they were never of us. It's not as simple as "I'm saved and now I can do whatever I want without repercussions"... Its God continually refining our understanding and actions leading towards perfection. I mean what is the difference between a saint/Christian/disciple of Christ and a sinner or person of the world? I mean we all sin but a true Christian asks for forgiveness and turns from sin and a sinner remains and/or lives in sin unrepentant. The idea basically means that your actions can't save you and therefore your actions can't make you lose your salvation. It means if you obey the gospel then choose to live in sin you didn't "lose your salvation" but instead were never ACTUALLY saved.
As a Christian believer who is very very grateful and thankful for all that Jesus has done for us. And yes it’s a free gift from God for those of us that have been washed in the blood of Jesus. I fully accept and believe in the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ. I know I am nothing without God. I’m no where near perfect and a work in progress but I’ve heard people’s testimonies of having near death experiences and went to hell and saw some people in hell that they thought they were Christians. I don’t want to be that person.
This video doesn't explain it properly and a lot of his teachings are his own views as opposed to actual Gods Word. You need to think of this like a marriage that you must maintain. We can sign a marriage license to be married but the license does not guarantee that we will remain married. We must strive every day to maintain and nurture the marriage and keep it alive and on its proper maturity. We will always have shortcomings, but that's why we must always have a heart of repentance and love towards our spouse so that we always do our part to continue to make the marriage work. The once saved always saved concept is a lie that will always lead to divorce and separation. If we love our spouse then we will do whatever it takes to take care of our relationship and when we screw up, well own up to it and get back right, well Jesus is our spouse and salvation is our marriage lisence, so we must take care of it all and do our best to make it last so that we can ensure until the end.
Judas by transgression fell. So we must continue to be steadfast in the faith to the end. Paul said I don't want to preach in others and myself been a cast away
Judas was never saved!
What's the differance between the notions of "losing" your salvation and "apostasy" ?
One save always save applies to true believers not fake believers.
Plain and simple.
@Madison 07 the problem is you don't trust God as you should and your sin is not allowing you to experience the assurance you should have if you are a real christian.
I'm pretty sure you have a great plan to get back on track and prepare your self to fall over and over and over again and repeat.
You probably think that you can lose your salvation and then get it back whenever you want.
Or that its up to you to keep,
And you probably think that you are good enough to keep it.
Trust him not your works .
Going through a hard time in life full of doubts and regrets join the crowd.
The lord said we would be tested.
If you are a real christian just know that HE IS THE SAVIOR .
The reason why Christians still sin or have sin in their lives is so that they won't get all puffed up and start acting all holy and righteous like some people do,or because they just want to or they slipped
Or it just happened or the truth, we are not perfect in our selfs just in christ.
The bible clearly says, he that says he has no sin is a liar.
If you think that you fell from grace
Or that you can fall from grace you might have a trust issue because of a lack of understanding.
If I were you I would dwell in his promises
And if you are stuck in a hard place cause you cannot understand some verses or passages. Ask?. Seek. Pray.
It might be false to you but it is real to me O S A S .
Listen to John vernon Magee on once saved always saved on RUclips.
@Madison 07
You trust in what Christ done for you
Or you might find yourself saying I did this and I did that .
I,I,I,.
I WILL TRUST IN WHAT HE HAS DONE FOR ME.
YOU CAN NOT ADD ANYTHING TO HIS GIFT OF SALVATION.
HE CLEARLY SAID
New International Version
Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.
To fall from grace is to add something or anything to salvation.
Jesus plus nothing equals salvation.
This is the narrow road.
Judaizers are always telling someone that they have to do something or add something for salvation.
We do not live by the written code anymore, but by the new way of the Spirit.
You can certainly fall out of God's favor, but not lose your salvation.
What about Romans 11:18 -22
@catholictruth102
ALL CHRISTIAN'S BEAR FRUIT.
Only 1 of the places where the seed fell was good soil and produced fruit.
Jesus’ explanation of the Parable of the Sower highlights four different responses to the gospel. The seed is “the word of the kingdom.” The hard ground represents someone who is hardened by sin; he hears but does not understand the Word, and Satan plucks the message away, keeping the heart dull and preventing the Word from making an impression. The stony ground pictures a man who professes delight with the Word; however, his heart is not changed, and when trouble arises, his so-called faith quickly disappears. The thorny ground depicts one who seems to receive the Word, but whose heart is full of riches, pleasures, and lusts; the things of this world take his time and attention away from the Word, and he ends up having no time for it. The good ground portrays the one who hears, understands, and receives the Word-and then allows the Word to accomplish its result in his life. The man represented by the “good ground” is the only one of the four who is truly saved, because salvation’s proof is fruit (Matthew 3:7-8; 7:15-20).
Jesus said, I John 15:16
New International Version
You did not choose me, but I chose you and( appointed )
(you so that you might go and bear fruit-fruit that will last)-and so that whatever you ask in my name the Father will give you.
King James Bible
Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ( ordained ) you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, (and that your fruit should remain:) that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.
Ordained and appointed, means you will bear fruit, not maybe,
The tree that Jesus cursed.
New International Version Matthew 21:19
Seeing a fig tree by the road, he went up to it but found nothing on it except leaves. Then he said to it, “May you never bear fruit again!” Immediately the tree withered.
Real Christians bear fruit.
A tree which has germinated but does not have fruit is just as good as dead.
Except for the fact that it looks like a living tree.
New International Version
Matthew 7;18
A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit.
Good trees always have good fruit.
New International Version
John 15:5
“I am the vine; you are the branches. If you remain in me and I in you, you will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing.
Well Jesus promises that whosoever remains in him and he in them will bear much fruit.
So as far as I am concerned only true believers can remain in him, and it is not because of us, but because the holyspirit lives in true believers.
Matthew 7:17 King James Bible
Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
A true child of God gets disciplined BY THE FATHER when He does wrong,
King James Bible HEBREWS 12:11
Now, no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward ( IT YIELDETH the peaceable FRUIT OF RIGHTEOUSNESS unto them which are exercised thereby).
Fruit ALSO comes out of GODS DISAPLINE, THE FATHERS CORRECTION
ALWAYS ACCOMPLISHES IT'S GOAL.
All true children bear fruit.
New International Version LUKE 8:15
But the seed on good soil stands for those
with a noble and good heart, (WHO HEAR THE WORD, RETAIN IT, AND BY PERSEVERING PRODUCE A CROP).
WITHOUT THE SPIRIT YOU CANNOT RETAIN THE WORD, YOU ARE BOUND TO
FALL AWAY.
King James Bible MARK 13:23
But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.
THIS IS THE GOOD SOIL ,WHERE THE SEED
CAN ACTUALLY GROW.
King James Bible REVELATION 19:8
AND TO HER WAS GRANTED THAT SHE SHOULD BE ARRAYED IN FINE LINEN, clean and white: FOR THE FINE LINEN IS THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF THE SAINTS
New Living Translation HEBREWS 6:7
When the ground soaks up the falling rain
and bears a good crop for the farmer, it has
God's blessing
New International Version
The Spirit and the bride say, “Come!” And let the one who hears say, “Come!” Let the one who is thirsty come; and let the one who wishes take the free gift of the water of life.
This water of life on the right soil brings
FORTH MUCH FRUIT.
New International Version HEBREWS 10:35
So do not throw away your confidence; it will be richly rewarded.
IF YOU SAY THAT THERE ARE CHRISTIAN'S THAT DON'T BEAR FRIUT, YOU ARE SAYING THAT GOD IS A LIAR.
IF YOU SAY THAT THERE ARE CHRISTIANS
WHO DON'T BEAR FRIUT, YOU ARE SAYING
THAT THERE ARE CHRISTIAN'S WHO NEVER DO ANYTHING GOOD.
LUKE 10:42 King James Bible
BUT ONE THING IS NEEDFUL: and Mary hath chosen that good part, which shall not be taken away from her.
New International Version Matthew 13:23
But the seed falling on good soil refers to
someone who hears the word and
understands it. This is the one who
produces a crop, yielding a hundred, sixty or thirty times what was sown."
THERE IS ONLY ONE GOOD SOIL, AND
IT PRODUCE DIFFERENT AMOUNTS.
New International Version collasians 1:10
so that you may live a life worthy of the Lord and please him in every way: bearing fruit in every good work, growing in the knowledge of God,
English Standard Version Ephesians 5:9
(for the fruit of light is found in all that is good and right and true),
English Standard Version HEBREWS 4:2
For good news came to us just as to them, but the message they heard did not benefit them, because they were not united by faith with those who listened.
ALL TRUE CHRISTIANS BEAR FRUIT.
ALL TRUE CHRISTIANS ABIDE IN CHRIST BY THE SPIRIT IN THE SPIRIT.
THERE IS ONLY ONE GOOD SOIL.
AND IT IS IN ALL BELIEVERS, THATS WHY ALL BELIEVERS ABIDE AND BEAR FRUIT.
WHOEVER HAS BEEN FILLED WITH THE HOLYSPIRIT, IS GOOD GROUND.
WITHOUT THE HOLYSPIRIT ALL ARE UNABLE TO BEAR GOOD FRUIT.
@catholictruth102
ALL CHRISTIAN'S BEAR FRUIT.
Only 1 of the places where the seed fell was good soil and produced fruit.
Jesus’ explanation of the Parable of the Sower highlights four different responses to the gospel. The seed is “the word of the kingdom.” The hard ground represents someone who is hardened by sin; he hears but does not understand the Word, and Satan plucks the message away, keeping the heart dull and preventing the Word from making an impression. The stony ground pictures a man who professes delight with the Word; however, his heart is not changed, and when trouble arises, his so-called faith quickly disappears. The thorny ground depicts one who seems to receive the Word, but whose heart is full of riches, pleasures, and lusts; the things of this world take his time and attention away from the Word, and he ends up having no time for it. The good ground portrays the one who hears, understands, and receives the Word-and then allows the Word to accomplish its result in his life. The man represented by the “good ground” is the only one of the four who is truly saved, because salvation’s proof is fruit (Matthew 3:7-8; 7:15-20).
Jesus said, I John 15:16
New International Version
You did not choose me, but I chose you and( appointed )
(you so that you might go and bear fruit-fruit that will last)-and so that whatever you ask in my name the Father will give you.
King James Bible
Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ( ordained ) you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, (and that your fruit should remain:) that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.
Ordained and appointed, means you will bear fruit, not maybe,
The tree that Jesus cursed.
New International Version Matthew 21:19
Seeing a fig tree by the road, he went up to it but found nothing on it except leaves. Then he said to it, “May you never bear fruit again!” Immediately the tree withered.
Real Christians bear fruit.
A tree which has germinated but does not have fruit is just as good as dead.
Except for the fact that it looks like a living tree.
New International Version
Matthew 7;18
A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit.
Good trees always have good fruit.
New International Version
John 15:5
“I am the vine; you are the branches. If you remain in me and I in you, you will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing.
Well Jesus promises that whosoever remains in him and he in them will bear much fruit.
So as far as I am concerned only true believers can remain in him, and it is not because of us, but because the holyspirit lives in true believers.
Matthew 7:17 King James Bible
Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
A true child of God gets disciplined BY THE FATHER when He does wrong,
King James Bible HEBREWS 12:11
Now, no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward ( IT YIELDETH the peaceable FRUIT OF RIGHTEOUSNESS unto them which are exercised thereby).
Fruit ALSO comes out of GODS DISAPLINE, THE FATHERS CORRECTION
ALWAYS ACCOMPLISHES IT'S GOAL.
All true children bear fruit.
New International Version LUKE 8:15
But the seed on good soil stands for those
with a noble and good heart, (WHO HEAR THE WORD, RETAIN IT, AND BY PERSEVERING PRODUCE A CROP).
WITHOUT THE SPIRIT YOU CANNOT RETAIN THE WORD, YOU ARE BOUND TO
FALL AWAY.
King James Bible MARK 13:23
But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.
THIS IS THE GOOD SOIL ,WHERE THE SEED
CAN ACTUALLY GROW.
King James Bible REVELATION 19:8
AND TO HER WAS GRANTED THAT SHE SHOULD BE ARRAYED IN FINE LINEN, clean and white: FOR THE FINE LINEN IS THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF THE SAINTS
New Living Translation HEBREWS 6:7
When the ground soaks up the falling rain
and bears a good crop for the farmer, it has
God's blessing
New International Version
The Spirit and the bride say, “Come!” And let the one who hears say, “Come!” Let the one who is thirsty come; and let the one who wishes take the free gift of the water of life.
This water of life on the right soil brings
FORTH MUCH FRUIT.
New International Version HEBREWS 10:35
So do not throw away your confidence; it will be richly rewarded.
IF YOU SAY THAT THERE ARE CHRISTIAN'S THAT DON'T BEAR FRIUT, YOU ARE SAYING THAT GOD IS A LIAR.
IF YOU SAY THAT THERE ARE CHRISTIANS
WHO DON'T BEAR FRIUT, YOU ARE SAYING
THAT THERE ARE CHRISTIAN'S WHO NEVER DO ANYTHING GOOD.
LUKE 10:42 King James Bible
BUT ONE THING IS NEEDFUL: and Mary hath chosen that good part, which shall not be taken away from her.
New International Version Matthew 13:23
But the seed falling on good soil refers to
someone who hears the word and
understands it. This is the one who
produces a crop, yielding a hundred, sixty or thirty times what was sown."
THERE IS ONLY ONE GOOD SOIL, AND
IT PRODUCE DIFFERENT AMOUNTS.
New International Version collasians 1:10
so that you may live a life worthy of the Lord and please him in every way: bearing fruit in every good work, growing in the knowledge of God,
English Standard Version Ephesians 5:9
(for the fruit of light is found in all that is good and right and true),
English Standard Version HEBREWS 4:2
For good news came to us just as to them, but the message they heard did not benefit them, because they were not united by faith with those who listened.
ALL TRUE CHRISTIANS BEAR FRUIT.
ALL TRUE CHRISTIANS ABIDE IN CHRIST BY THE SPIRIT IN THE SPIRIT.
THERE IS ONLY ONE GOOD SOIL.
AND IT IS IN ALL BELIEVERS, THATS WHY ALL BELIEVERS ABIDE AND BEAR FRUIT.
WHOEVER HAS BEEN FILLED WITH THE HOLYSPIRIT, IS GOOD GROUND.
WITHOUT THE HOLYSPIRIT ALL ARE UNABLE TO BEAR GOOD FRUIT.
To him who overcomes I will not blot his name out of the lambs book of life.
I believe i said the first video and I hope you see this. You started off saying I believe in Christ sufficiency for my salvation. You also said only real Christian are the "always saved". Which i doubt anyone would disagree with, those statements are solid doctrine based on direct scriptures. "Osas" is a made up phrase not in the Bible firstly and secondly its painfully vague which leads to more confusion. Also leads to division not because we don't agree that we shall not continue to sin, we all agree on that. The division comes from the theology of men being passed on as the word of God. Paul says shall we continue to sin? God forbid. Easy and simple. The Bible tells us over and over not to deceive ourselves. Hebrews 10 is for those who left the faith. The word is simple, preach the word. Theology is for the birds, the word is the source. God bless.
Finally a brother who is addressing this issue understandably and scripturally thank you my man I appreciate you God bless you
In one of my visitations to hell, Jesus showed me a person who was a Christian (Jesus said “he was a Christian like you”). But the guy unfortunately started sleeping around (he was planning on repenting later). He died middle aged and went to hell forever it was dark but Jesus lit up the area, he asked Jesus for another chance but unfortunately it was too late for him, Pretty said, Repent and ask Jesus to help you with your struggles (James 4:7)
Tonight was excellent! I really enjoy the Knowledge you have for handling the word of God. Tradition makes some folk so deep they read, add and over complicate a passage. Let's just allow the Holy Spirit that's been deposited in us, to direct us towards truth. Keep the video's coming. 👍🏾
Smart Christian is in error he backtracked the gospel and he's wrong you need to read for yourself the scriptures and let the Holy Spirit guide you....
@@againstthegrainmichelelee9781 yeah I agree as i stated in my comment. Let's relax and allow the Holy Spirit to lead and guide us to truth. Take care and be blessed.
@@againstthegrainmichelelee9781 yup he backloads works into the gospel! I hope more ppl will see that he teaches a calvanist false gospel just like 99% of so called teachers and preachers today. Heartbreaking to see so many ppl doubting God's promises! But that's exactly what the enemy does!
@@Erika-g5e how does he backload works? by saying that someone who is saved won't continue sinning and living like they were pre-salvation ?
Don’t crucify me, but I understand Salvation to be permanent, but not absolute. Much like a marriage, which is permanent, but if one decides to divorce, it’s possible. Demons believe and tremble in fear. We’re saved by grace, through faith. Faith is allegiance and loyalty. Works/deeds are a subset of loyalty. If a soldier is loyal, he/she would not betray. What Ephesians 2 is referring to when it says, so that none can boast, is God’s grace. God gave us faith, and expects us to grow it, instead of burying the talent in the ground. God’s interpretation is what matters. If God doesn’t expect anything from us, then it’s called universalism, which means all are saved, and don’t have to have faith in god. Salvation is specifically for those who have loyalty/faith in Jesus. People who are loyal to other religions, or those who believe in every religion will not be saved. We all can debate until we’re blue in the face, but what if we’re wrong? If we teach Salvation is absolute, and if we’re wrong, we have given our congregation a license to sin. If we teach that it is possible to lose salvation, our congregation will have the fear of the Lord and remain in Him. The one who teaches that it’s possible to lose salvation would not have the blood of their congregation on their hands, while the one who teaches that salvation is absolute does. There’s too many scriptures that one would have to remove, in order to believe that salvation is absolute. The word Believe is a work. It’s a verb. How do we know if we won’t be one who leaves the Faith later in life, when going through tough times? It would be so convenient to believe OSAS, but I beg to differ. We entered into salvation because God first offered salvation, but only to those who did a work. That work is a part of Faith. We can’t be saved by works alone, because Ephesians 2 says it’s also by grace. We can believe in Jesus and have faith all we want, but if He didn’t have the grace to die on the cross, then there wouldn’t be salvation either
I agree with you I think you did a good job explaining it. Your take is not popular because it holds people accountable and it's not convenient to the lukewarm cottoncandy american church of prosperity. The Lord's own prophecy said the path is narrow and FEW will find it. People think it's just saying you believe but the Lord said they worship me with there mouth and lips but there heart is far from me. The devils also believe yet they remain devils. To the Jews that believed on him he didn't say hey your saved for life he said IF you continue in me you shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free. A lot of Christians are happy with the savior Part of Christ but not the Lord part. He is Lord and Savior he said to pick up your cross daily and follow me. Sure sounds like you must continue in faith.
You guys are spot on and I'm happy to see that there are people out there with a strong enough mind and love for God to know the truth and not be afraid to say it. Once saved always saved is a false teaching and a lie from the pits of hell to lead people into hell. To me it just seems so obvious that we will have to maintain our relationship with God to inherit His Kingdom, believing in Him alone isn't the whole shabang, I always like to use the example about getting married... Can we say, "once married always married"? No! We can't, because if you don't maintain your relationship with your spouse you can become divorced and separated. Well Jesus is our spouse, He's our Bridegroom...and we maintain our marriage with Him by not only believing and faith, but also with devotion, loyalty, a seeking of further levels, constant repentance and humility, obedience to His commandments as well as His every day orders... I wish people weren't so naive, but most just like you guys said, love the lukewarm fake comfort of once saved always saved because they're selfish and lazy and don't want to have to do anything to be fruitful or fight in God's army. Well there's going to come a time where He'll say, depart from me because I never knew you.
To all believers tuned in ... this argument is a very slippery slope.
Pay attention to your own individual relationship with Jesus Christ of Nazareth and err on the side of being conscientious and careful.
Because when you find out these arguments are wrong...no one will be standing next to you on judgement day.
Work out YOUR OWN salvation with fear and trembling.
Revelation 3:14-22
New King James Version
The Lukewarm Church
14 “And to the [a]angel of the church [b]of the Laodiceans write,
‘These things says the Amen, the Faithful and True Witness, the Beginning of the creation of God: 15 “I know your works, that you are neither cold nor hot. I could wish you were cold or hot. 16 So then, because you are lukewarm, and neither [c]cold nor hot, I will vomit you out of My mouth
Oh Lord...Jesus took care of the slippery slope by His Blood.
Why do you not finish the passage rather than only reading part of it? “Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling for it is God working in you to Will and do according to his good pleasure!” Why don’t you warn people about the dangers of thinking that they can save themselves through their own effort or based on their own virtue? What about that slippery slope? Since every other religion on the face of the earth is works based this will be the slippery slope that takes most people to hell!!!
@@kevincarney1984 *"He will render to each one according to his WORKS: to those who by patience in well-DOING seek for glory and honor and immortality, he will give ETERNAL LIFE; but for those who are SELF-seeking and do not OBEY the truth, but obey unrighteousness, there will be wrath and fury"*
Romans 2:6-8
Who doesn't want to do works???
SELFISH people.
*_The HOLY Spirit who IS the Spirit of Christ LOVES GOOD WORKS_* 🥰
Without WORKS our FAITH is DEAD(useless)
Please Read *James 2* WITH the Holy Spirit 🥰
Teaching AGAINST WORKS is AGAINST what Christ taught. 😢
*_WHY do you think HE WASHED HIS DISCIPLES DIRTY FEET?????_* 🦶
So on Judgement Day WE are all without excuse.
IF the Highest King can HUMBLE Himself, He expects the SAME from us.
*HE is our EXAMPLE in everything. 1 Peter 2:21* 🙌
FAST/PRAY and humbly ASK HIM. 😔
🙏💕
@@kevincarney1984 😶
@@bpraise517 😶
God bless you Corey. You are a man that has shown your self to be approved and humble. Keep on with the good fight .
No not now I don't Corey I cannot lose my salvation. Praise God!!!!
😃 *???Will you also cover 2 PETER 2 as well???*
Cory, you are reading the scriptures in favor of OSAS. Why would the Lord continue to say: “. . . unless the apostasy comes first . . .“ 2 Thes 2:3
“. . . return backslider” Heb 3:14,
“...if he shrinks back, My soul has no pleasure in him” Heb 10:38
“. . . be on guard so that you are not carried away“ 2 Peter 3:17; 1 Tim 4:1
“. . . they are again entangled in them and overcome . . . For it would have been better for them never to have known the way of righteousness . . .” 2 Per 2: 20-21
“But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith . . .” 1 Tim 4:1
And what is holiness and its value to you?
Colossians 1:21-23
21 And you, who once were alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now He has reconciled 22 in the body of HIS FLESH THROUGH DEATH, TO PRESENT YOU HOLY, and blameless, and above reproach in His sight- 23 if indeed you continue in the faith, grounded and steadfast, and are not moved away from the hope of the gospel which you heard, which was preached to every creature under heaven, of which I, Paul, became a minister.
How is it that you are so certain that someone cannot become so discouraged and overwhelmingly doubtful that they discontinue in the faith?
“The latest high-profile Christian personality to renounce his faith is Paul Maxwell, the well-known "Desiring God" writer. Maxwell said on his Instagram feed: ‘What I really miss is connection with people. What I've discovered is that I'm ready to connect again. And I'm kind of ready not to be angry anymore. I love you guys, and I love all the friendships and support I've built here. And I think it's important to say that I'm just not a Christian anymore…’”
The Christian Post
CP VOICES | SATURDAY, APRIL 17, 2021
There were several others. Why do you believe that all those who claim to once have believed cannot fall away, give up the fight, feel that the struggle causes them to sacrifice self too much and quit. I pondered what my life would look like if I began to live as if I answered to no one. The way you all teach makes one feel that it is acceptable to give it a try for a while because you know that God will bring you back. That is dangerous!!! What if after choosing to experience a more sinful life, they die? Where does this person go? Because they chose to denounce the ways of God without having come back, what happens to their soul?
I believe the Lord is not to be played with. We are to cherish the relationship and His ways; once having experienced that and choosing to “do you,” you just may be DONE.
Just because the atonement is done (Jesus did His part), doesn’t mean that we are not charged with sanctification. Why then do we continue to ask for forgiveness (some repent, some don’t)? We ask for forgiveness because we demonstrate that we understand our brokenness and how we would remain in it had it not been for Jesus. But if you continue to “do you” to pleasure yourself in ungodly ways without repenting, what is that? That is choosing to walk away. That is refusing to turn away from sin.
Many Israelites walked away without repentance and paid for it because their faith waned. Why then are we not able to be judged by our not choosing Jesus any longer? Israel experienced God firsthand - in the physical and spiritual, YET SOME FELL AWAY.
Just as they needed to repent (turn away) of their wicked ways, so do we. Just asking for forgiveness does not seal it. We are charged to turn away from sin and do things God’s way.
Fornication
Lying
Allowing yourself to use foul language without effort to change
Pride (people excuse themselves all the
Vanity (believers are just as caught up in the mirror as the world)
Greedy (validating the need for a whole room for their clothing and shoes)
Looking for attention (must have the flashy car, the latest amenities, newest iPhone, show how much they spent on their clothing
Selfishness (“doing you” and not caring if others are hurt or your misrepresentation of Christ)
It is a daily sacrifice; anything else is disobedience. Obedience is better than sacrifice because Christ took care of the ultimate sacrifice. However, we are still called to sacrifice self and die daily. To obey is sacrifice and disobedience must be checked by one’s self. There is always work to do. What we do demonstrates who we are OR HAVE BECOME.
And I do not make a dogmatic claim because I know that my knowledge and understanding pales to the TRUTH. Some believers are puffed up and speak as if they don't /can't err regarding some doctrine. PRIDE IS REAL!!! I merely mention this because many believers get to the point where they will swear that what they speak and understand is undisputable and follow with "I'm open to being wrong if someone can prove me wrong." That statement could be considered prideful - and your persona demonstrates pride to me. People may present evidence all day, but if the evidence is up for interpretation, there is no bona fide way to prove or disprove. As I always say, just stop speaking with such certainty about certain issues. Why not just encourage believers to endure and not wane in faith - JUST LIKE THE APOSTLES DID - THEY ENCOURAGED US TO ENDURE!!! COULD THERE BE GOOD REASON FOR THIS?
Amen sister. Keep preaching the truth.
We just need to encourage fellow believers to ENDURE as the apostles encouraged us. Because we are encouraged numerous times - must be something to it!!! To God be the Glory!!!
Thanks Corey for taking the time to make this video. God bless you.
For the religious Behavior Modification passes for Holy Spirit Sanctification, The former is Religion, the latter is a Relationship with God through the finished work of Christ
Your teaching on eternal security and tongues has really set me free and I truly believe the Lord is using you mightily keep up the great work and spreading the good news of the gospel and rightly dividing the word of truth 🙏
Endurance and OBEDIENCE keeps you safe ! Matthew 10:22
“And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.”
The power of God keeps us safe 1 Peter 1:5...
@@alonzomccloud4530 I agree, and the power of God is what makes us to endure with obedience
@@alonzomccloud4530 through faith.
@@hijohojo2868 it does not make you endure. It's your responsibility to endure.
@@brucegolston6507 God says it himself.
Psalms 89:29 His seed also will I MAKE to ENDURE for ever, and his throne as the days of heaven.
A CHRISTIAN must carry His Cross. The burden is on our shoulders , but at the same time, the work is finished. It's a paradox of the Christian life.
Eternal security is secure, but could someone forfeit their salvation? How could someone who is sealed by the holy spirit become unsealed? It is not possible. If someone says yes to the saviour shouldn't they be confident in their salvation?
Work out your salvation with fear and trembling!
You have shown yourself to be a man of integrity tonight. You humbled yourself in front of everyone and admitted how you may have come across to your guests maybe a bit too challenging to them. I have respect for you in telling us your future plans for this concern. 🙂
All who say, “Lord Lord” is not saved. But they identify themselves as Christian’s.
But why did the apostles repeatedly warn the saints about not falling to temptation, killing the flesh, not being decived etc......shall we continue in sin that grace may abound?? God forbid.....he was talking to the saints...... for the love of money is the root of all evil.. which while some coveted after THEY HAVE ERRED FROM THE FAITH....... and have pierced themselves through with many sorrows 12 but thou O man of God flee these things and follow after righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, meekness.12 fight the good fight of faith pay hold on eternal life where unto thou are also called and hast professed a good profession before many witnesses............the apostles did a whole lot of writing for nothing...I guess 🤔......he was talking to a believer............v9 will show you a saint can fall.... and drown......
@CAJ Action don't ignore the scriptures..... they have erred from the faith..... fall and drown... drown in your sin... Paul was very clear..... Money can become your god... and you can err from the faith and die before you can get back on track.... and you can go to hell..
@@bluetruckhos9926 what is your point? Who teaches that Christian should not be sanctified and set themselves apart from the world? I don’t get what that has to do with losing your salvation bro.
@@kevincarney1984 the point is...the scripture clearly identify ways a believer can leave the faith..... the Bible say the devil is very crafty... and he will use things to get a believer to stray away from God.. so he can destroy your soul..... saints do become addicted to things.. such as money, women,men, drugs, alcohol..etc......if it wasn't possible as believers to walk away from salvation..then I don't understand why the apostles spent so much time talking about being tempted but not giving in the sin..... can't change what the scriptures say.... they have erred from the faith... didn't say they were never saved...... which in some cases that's true.... but not right here....
@CAJ Action Christ is talking to *BELIEVERS* in Revelation. 👀
The whole book is to HIS *SERVANTS* (Rev 1)
And more specifically to His *CHURCH* (not to unbelievers)
And *HE WARNS us Himself that He is going to spit the LUKEWARM out of His mouth* ⚠
Revelation 3:16
OSAS is a doctrine of MEN/Darby/demons 😈
Chirst also warns us HIMSELF in the parable of *TALENTS* about the* WICKED SERVANT*
And in *Mark 4* He tells us Christians *FALLING AWAY* are the ROCKY GROUND
To say we *CAN'T FALL AWAY is to DENY what He says*
HE never takes away our FREE-WILL. 👀
To say we *_can't CHOOSE to turn away, fall back, fall away, shipwreck our faith, turn and follow satan, return to our vomit, trample the son of God, grieve the Holy Spirit, etc is to say we can NEVER CHOOSE wrong when scripture says we CAN do all these things_*
*How does SALT lose it's SALTINESS????* 👀
We are told to *_work out our SALVATION with FEAR & TREMBLING_* 🔥
*Western Churchanity* 😈 REMOVED all *Holy FEAR* because it doesn't SELL 🤑
Yet scripture tells us it's the very *BEGINNING of wisdom*
So, it's the *BEGINNING of knowing the Lord* (they don't KNOW HIM, they are teaching a false christ) 😢
🙏💕
Your salvation is not up to you. But God the author and finisher of our faith.
You CANNOT lose your SALVATION. ✌️
@catholictruth102 John 6:39 (KJV) And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which HE hath GIVEN ME I should LOSE NOTHING, but should RAISE IT UP AGAIN at the LAST DAY. ✌️
Works based salvation is narcissism in disguise.
Some fall away and draw back ! They fall away ! Loosing their salvation ! Hebrews 10:39
“But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.”
One cannot lose Salvation!
There is a very simple problem with the dogma of “once saved, always saved.” That problem is that it is just not biblical! The truth is, the dogma of “once saved, always saved” is part of the doctrines and commandments of men. Consider Matthew 15:1-20; Mark 7:1-23 → Galatians 1:6-20 and II John 1:7-11!
Judas fell from grace n he was an apostle you can lose ur salvation..Jesus is our example and we must follow his lead God is holy n he said be u holy for I am holy ..once saved always saved come straight from the pits of hell🔥👹
So you’re perfect? What was the last sin you committed because yesterday you prob committed over 50 sins? Or how do you keep your salvation mr self righteous
@@kylepatrick5135 He that committeth sin is of the devil;...
Judas was never saved, but instead had a role to play and Jesus Christ knew this.
judas was a thief he was there for wrong reasons as many in churches today are he was never one of them thats why he betrayed jesus be holy for i am holy means you must have the holy spirit or you are not saved
@@chrisarmstrong3200 being holy is a life style that's why u have to endure to the end ...bless n holy are those who make the first resurrection.. Judas was an apostle hand pick by Jesus himself (God) ....we all have sin we must strive to live holy ..how can u fall from something you was never apart of ? That's why the bible say the wages of sin is death Judas casted out devils too ...then. His heart changed towards the Lord ..n when ur heart change towards the Lord that's where u begin to back slide now you working again again ...the bible says it's like a dog returning to his vomit or a pig returning to slop 💯..that's why it say u have a form of godliness but deny the power there of ...once you back slide u have a form of it but no power only because ur heart changed..Judas casted out devils because he was filled with the holy ghost...later on his sin found him out meaning he put down holiness n start living they way he wanted (free will) there no such thing once saved always saved at all n the bible ...he that endure till the end will be saved ...bless u brother
I was busy with my Bible study prep, when one of the scriptures came up, and my immediate thought was about the once save always save question.....the scripture is 1Chronicles 28:9......
This speaks of a RIGHTEOUS man that has started to fall back into sin ! Ezekiel 3:21
“Nevertheless if thou warn the righteous man, that the righteous sin not, and he doth not sin, he shall surely live, because he is warned; also thou hast delivered thy soul.”
Lol that’s the old covenant of DEATH ! You don’t know the difference between covenants?
I Love listening to you teach the Bible!! I love the fact that you understand the language that was spoken back when the scriptures were written and can translate it. It makes me trust you as a teacher. I understand the scriptures so much better. I'll be glad when you also get into the New Testament where we the Gentiles are more relevant. Thank you so much for what you do and I think you're a real blessing to me and many others. I love you my brother
“Here is a call for the ENDURANCE of the saints, those who KEEP THE COMNANDMENTS of God AND THE FAITH of Jesus.” ( Rev 14:12)
1 Corinthians 1:8
@@Repent.Believe.obeyJesus He will keep you, but only IF you keep his commandment. Read John 15:6, John15:10, Romans 11
@@symphytos I keep his commandments because I'm born again his spirit causes me to desire to do his commands
@@Repent.Believe.obeyJesus Thanks for your opinion
@@Repent.Believe.obeyJesus “For it is not the hearers of the law who are righteous before God, but the DOERS of the law who will be justified” Rm2:13
I read 1 John around 20 times and I still don’t have assurance! I need it to be straight in my face. It’s never really sunk in.
You can only have assurance if you know you have put your faith and trust in Jesus Christ alone to save you. It is by grace THROUGH faith, not of works (works are the fruit of our faith which is why we need to hold fast to it, examine ourselves to see if we have THE faith that Jesus and His Apostles taught, and never depart from the faith.
@@hopeseeker97 I have faith but not sure if faith or belief is saving. It’s hard to explain but I know the demons believe and they tremble so believing is not enough and I guess I believe in my head but it’s never really moved my heart. I think this is more common than people admit but never really answered sometimes. I’ll keep praying
In one of my visitations to hell, Jesus showed me a person who was a Christian (Jesus said “he was a Christian like you”). But the guy unfortunately started sleeping around (he was planning on repenting later). He died middle aged and went to hell forever it was dark but Jesus lit up the area, he asked Jesus for another chance but unfortunately it was too late for him, Pretty said, Repent and ask Jesus to help you with your struggles (James 4:7)
It's our free will, Jesus told his disciples to remain in Him. It indicates that we can walk away from God. It's a free will of man
Jesus said, go and sin no more. We are able to do it by His power and strength.
In one of my visitations to hell, Jesus showed me a person who was a Christian (Jesus said “he was a Christian like you”). But the guy unfortunately started sleeping around (he was planning on repenting later). He died middle aged and went to hell forever it was dark but Jesus lit up the area, he asked Jesus for another chance but unfortunately it was too late for him, Pretty said, Repent and ask Jesus to help you with your struggles (James 4:7)
And God bless you brother Corey. I think the problem is that most people don't understand salvation. And that it's by grace, we don't deserve it. That's why they think they can lose it. Just keep them in your prayers and I will as well.🙏🏽
No one thinks you can lose it.
Lose is an unconscious decision.
Falling away from the faith, apostasy, walking away, not believing anymore are all conscious decisions and choices, so why do people keep saying lose which implys on accident without knowledge misplaced etc?
They non osas people think God is not a Calvinist God and does not determine who ahead of time who will be saved and who will be damned before humans existed.
They also believe that once you accept Jesus Christ you do not lose the free will to one day fall away from the faith reject Christ, reject belief in Jesus, which is the faith, and commit apostasy which we are warned not to do through the New testament.
Jesus says people in the faith will fall away from the faith that's as simple as it gets, he does not say once saved always saved.
Salvation is conditional, based on belief in Jesus that's in the faith in him in Christ Jesus.
.by God grace through faith which is not a work but an ability all men have, so we can't boast either way.
.that's why we must continue in belief to the end to be saved.
. God is not a Calvinist God that forces humans to believe or withholds their ability to believe not before creation, not after you are saved.
Or then your belief is a false belief, and his judgement would be unfair to all of those who do not belief because they are not forced with irresistible grace which is forced salvation hyper grace once saved always saved don't repent sin freely licence to sin man made doctrines, designed to give false hope to those headed to hell if they do not repent and be restored to true belief, at the worst and to creat lazy Luke warm fruitless christians at the least bad.
Both are terrible and Satan loves it.
If once saved always saved is true then once damned always damned by definition would also have to be true, and that's Calvinism which says before you were born you were either a respected person to God and predestination primarily saved you not Jesus except as a secondary cause dependent in the primary cause of your salvation, predestination , so should we pray to predestination or God respecting us over others for no apparent reason, it just has to come to pass in time ?
.then the majority of people are made for wrath and destruction because God withholds saving grace, so even Jesus can't save them if he wanted to, because again they are predestined to hell made for hell and cannot believe.
, in hyper calvinism like James white teaches even the sins rape murder evil thoughts the fall of Satan Adam and eve were all scripted by God yes even child sexual assault rape abortion murder lgbt sin they are all scripted by God for a purpose to think the thoughts and do the sin with no way not to.
I reject that
We must be careful not to force God in a corner with ideas doctrine or even worse to judge those that fall away from the faith as never saved to begin with as that is us taking Jesus job as the judge of salvation away and giving it to sinful man, sure we can speculate and say if they did not repent before death and believe they are going to hell, , only jesus knows the heart and their last moment of life, even Judas, who ironically we may see in heaven, when we judge people to absolute hell, that just shows arrogance like the scribes and Pharisees looking down on the tax collector and sinners.
If we were not told of the thief on the cross story, many would say certainly he's in hell, but at the last moment unknown to many who knew him he repented confess and believed and was saved imho
Instead we should use scripture to teach rebuke reprove encourage the fallen away from the faith brother to be restored to the faith with prayer and truth.
Not say you must not have been saved because my doctrine says you will not fall away from the faith until apostasy.
They may have simply backslidden or lost a love one and temporarily in doubt so let's not damn them to hell or say they were never saved we don't know the heart or last moments of life .
And if they truly walked away from belief to apostasy, let's still not give up on them give prayers for them as we were once fallen as well and someone did not give up on us.
No one can take our salvation from us but we can walk away from GOD matt 24: 40-51.
I love you brother..you just don't get it , you can loose you salvation if you decided to walk away from Christ. Please read Hebrew 6:1-6, read it multiple translations my brother. Love you brother.
Try reading the whole book, follow the context and seek alternative commentaries. You can learn to understand with proper interpretation.
1 Corinthians 1:8
Thanks for the verse.
Also read 2 Peter 2:20-22
You are incorrect. Jesus said that they left us because they were never of us.
What is the root of conditional security doctrine? First encountered it as a young adult and it was quite disconcerting.
What' s the root of the conditional security doctrine? Is in all the wanrings and the "if's" that have been provided in scripture.
If "eternal security" (OSAS) were true, then there would have been no point in warnings like these:
■ "If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:" (2 Timothy 2:12)
■ "If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned." (Jesus, in John 15:6)
You must first *_be_* a branch before you can be "cast forth as a branch." And obviously we *can* be "cast forth" after becoming a branch. Jesus did not say "once a branch, always a branch."
Jesus clearly warned what would happen to servants who returned to sin:
■ "But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken;
The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers." (Jesus, in Luke 12:45,46)
"Once saved, always saved," with "eternal security"? Apparently not.
Sins "all paid for, past, present and future"? Apparently not.
That servant was going to pay for his sins himself.
The apostle Paul had the holy spirit. Paul clearly refuted "once saved, always saved": he stated it was possible for him to revert to a life of sin and therefore be rejected . . . thrown out . . . a "castaway":
■ "But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway." (1 Corinthians 9:27)
There's a message there for all who have been misled to believe that *having* the holy spirit is a guarantee of your salvation. We must remain in repentance, being *led* by the holy spirit (read Romans 8:13,14) and "walking after the spirit" (Romans 8:1) . . . not just _having_ it and ignoring it.
The apostle Paul warned that Gentile believers - even after being "graffed" into the "vine," - could be "cut off" the vine, just as the "natural branches" (the Israelites) had been broken off:
■ "For if God spared not the natural branches, *take heed lest he also spare not thee.*
Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, *if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off."* (Romans 11:19-22)
If, after overcoming sinfull living through knowing Jesus, a person then returns to a life of sin, "the latter end is worse with them than the beginning":
■ "For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire." (2 Peter 2:20-22)
Here is another warning "if" about returning to a life of sin:
■ "For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries." (Hebrews 10:26,27)
*_Can you lose your salvation?_* Trick question, because it incorrectly presumes you *_have_* salvation. Jesus said we must endure to the end to be saved (Matthew 10:22) . . . and we have not endured to the end.
The church is *in judgment* right now . . . NOT "saved":
■ "For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?" (1 Peter 4:17)
■ "Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it." (Hebrews 4:1)
Christians need to understand justification (now) vs salvation (later). Paul wrote that justification and salvation are different things, at different times (Romans 5:9). While we abide in Jesus and "walk after the spirit" (Romans 8:1) we remain in justification and are "in His goodness" or grace (Romans 11:22) -not under condemnation. While in justification we have "the hope of salvation" and are "appointed . . . to obtain salvation." Here's Paul:
■ "But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.
For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ" (1 Thessalonians 5:8,9; also read Peter in Acts 15:11).
We have many warnings not to fall away from justification because if we do, we'll forfeit that "hope of salvation." We'll miss our appointment to receive the promised gift of eternal life (1 John 2:25), at Jesus' "revelation," His return (1 Peter 1:13; 1 Corinthians 15:50-54; 1 Thessalonians 4:13-17). Upon receiving eternal life at Jesus' return, then you will have eternal security. Short of receiving eternal life you will perish, very much unsaved.
Here's more of the many warnings not to fall away from justification. Note the "ifs" with conditions:
■ "Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:
For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ." (2 Peter 1:10,11 )
■ "Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.
But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.
For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;" (Hebrews 3:12-14)
■ "And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled
In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:
If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;" (Colossians 1:21-23 )
Another "if":
we must choose to be led by the holy spirit:
■ "For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God." (Romans 8:13,14)
It IS possible to fall away, even after being made a "partaker" of the holy spirit! There would have been no point in writing the next passage if it were impossible to fall away:
■ "For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame." (Hebrews 6:4-6)
We can "fail of the grace of God":
■ "Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:
Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled" (Hebrews 12:14,15)
Our names CAN be blotted out of the book of life:
■ "He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels."
"And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book." (Revelation 3:5 and 22:19)
The wolf says "you're safe . . . no danger here . . . no harm can come to you." The "instantly saved, eternally secure" message DEFIES AND CONTRADICTS ALL THE WARNINGS provided in scripture. People need to WAKE UP because there is massive deception going on. Spiritual warfare is raging and most don't realize it.
You definitely can. I have plenty of scripture to back that up
So how do you keep your salvation? Explain that big guy.
@@kylepatrick5135 Read Romans 6:16 friend
@@bass305-HCCA enjoy your self righteousness
@@bass305-HCCA very bold statement with one verse you better read first John.
Blessings
@@kylepatrick5135 I know the book of John well friend.
So what about the great falling away? Or it says how some would leave the faith and give way to seducing spirits? So was the question then, were they ever really saved?
So basically are you saying that if you "can" walk away, then you weren't really saved?
Christ said THEY WENT OUT FROM US BECAUSE THEY WERE NEVER OF US. Really simple
JESUS ONLY HAD TO DIE ONCE ….. anyone that thinks that wasn’t enough to save a person forever is dead wrong .
Brother I don’t know if you will ever see this comment and I believe you are spot on. I would like your take on 1 Cor 3:12-15. The foundation is Christ. If all the works built upon that foundation is burned up, meaning they didn’t have a single work they did that endures, the passage seems to indicate that person shall be saved. I take this as assurance that not everyone who is a believer produces works that benefit them or anyone else. 1 John 3:9 says Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin (New Man) for His seed remainders in him; and he cannot sin because he is born of God. Now we know we sin until we die but God sees his son in us and does not see the sin of our flesh.
1 John 5:18 We know that whosever is born of God sinneth not; but He (Christ) that is begotten of God keepeth him and that wicked one toucheth him not.
This is reinforced by Paul in Romans 7:18-20 when he says he sins in the flesh even doing what he doesn’t want to do but Christ sees his spirit not his flesh.
This to me shows that not every believer produces good works and may not produce any but they are still saved because God sees his Son and not their flesh.
No, you cannot lose your salvation! If someone walks away from the faith, then they were a false convert. If someone lives in unrepentant sin for years and years, but claims Christ, they are also a false convert.
@Kush Castro Psalm 51, is David's prayer of repentance after he sinned with Bathsheba. He was crying out to God not to leave him. Verse 52 says, "Restore to me the joy of YOUR salvation, and uphold me by Your generous spirit." Salvation is the Lord's. Philippians 1:6, "being confident of this very thing, that He who has begun a good work in you will complete it until the day of Jesus Christ." This verse is speaking of sanctification, which occurs after someone is truly saved. God can't save someone and not continue to do a good work in them.
@Kush Castro Matthew 10:32,33, is simply stating that those who choose to deny Christ will also be denied the privilege of spending eternity with him.
@Kush Castro Luke 8:11-15 is the parable of the sower explained. Verse 13 says they "receive the word with joy, and these have NO ROOT". They initially got excited, but the gospel never penetrated their hearts and minds. If someone falls away from the faith, they were a false convert, and never saved to begin with.
@Kush Castro if someone claims Christ, and then later denies Him, they were a false convert, and never saved to begin with. Christ isn't going to deny someone salvation, after they are already saved. I would urge you to study the attributes of God, His righteousness, His sovereignty etc. God is not going to extend mercy and grace upon someone and then yank it away one day. If someone prays the sinners prayer, but their life never really changes and they live in unrepentant sin for years, they were never really saved to begin with.
@Kush Castro this is why it's so important to read scripture in context. 2 Peter 2:18-22, is speaking about the deceptions of false teachers. Verse 20 says, "For if, after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the beginning." So again, it said they had the initial knowledge, it does not say they are saved yet. It also says they "are again entangled in them and OVERCOME. Someone who has a saving knowledge of the truth may be decieved for a moment, but will not be overcome completely by deception that they turn away from God.
It is ALWAYS correct to be gentle in our response!
You can fall away and loose your salvation ! Quit the nonsense! Read this carefully! Ezekiel 18:26 Context
23Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? saith the Lord GOD: and not that he should return from his ways, and live? 24But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die. 25Yet ye say, The way of the Lord is not equal. Hear now, O house of Israel; Is not my way equal? are not your ways unequal? 26When a righteous man turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and dieth in them; for his iniquity that he hath done shall he die. 27Again, when the wicked man turneth away from his wickedness that he hath committed, and doeth that which is lawful and right, he shall save his soul alive. 28Because he considereth, and turneth away from all his transgressions that he hath committed, he shall surely live, he shall not die. 29Yet saith the house of Israel, The way of the Lord is not equal. O house of Israel, are not my ways equal? are not your ways unequal?
You are quoting Old Testament scripture, which is all a shadow of Christ. You need to be able to see Christ in these passages. Are you under the Old Covenant? Then why would this passage apply to you?
@@medic4christ777 New Testament:
■ "For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries." (Hebrews 10:26,27)
■ "But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway." (1 Corinthians 9:27)
■ "But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken;
The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers." (Luke 12:45,46)
■ "For if God spared not the natural branches [the Israelites], take heed lest he also spare not thee.
Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off." (Romans 11:21,22)
■ "For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire." (2 Peter 2:20-22)
■ "Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it." (Hebrews 4:1)
@@TheBibleSays Anybody that quotes Hebrews 10:26 and interprets it the way you just did I stop listening to. You just showed me you don't actually read the Bible. Anyone that has bothered to read Hebrews chapter 10, rather than plucking verse 26 out and using it out of context, knows that what the passage is referring to is GOING BACK TO THE LAW. Try reading the chapter.
Romans chapter 11 tells you outright that this is referring to UBELIEF, and Paul is speaking to GENTILES as a WHOLE, verses JEWS as a WHOLE. Understand covenant theology and Roman's 11 will make sense to you.
Hebrews chapter 4 is referring to UNBELIEVING JEWS who did not mix hearing the gospel with faith. Again. Read the chapter rather than cherry picking verses. Read the Bible!
2 Peter clearly tells you this passage is referring to people who were ALMOST saved, but they were diverted from the knowledge of the truth and went back into unbelief. Matthew chapter 12 refers to this same concept. The spirit that is cast out goes into the desert and brings back 7 friends, to find an EMPTY (no Holy Spirt) house and takes residence. Their end is worse than when they first began.
Your problem is the same as everyone else who believes what you do. You are ignorant of the word of God. If you took the time to READ the word of God, rather than cherry picking verses, maybe you would learn something.
@@medic4christ777 Hebrews was written to *_believers:_>
Hebrews 3:1
Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and *High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;*
Hebrews 10:19-27: OBVIOUSLY WRITTEN TO BELIEVERS . . . WARNING THEM NOT TO SIN WILLFULLY. Just READ IT:
"Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,
By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;
And having an high priest over the house of God;
Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.
Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised;)
And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:
Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.
*For if we sin wilfully* after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries."
Hebrews 12:1,2
"Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,
Looking unto *Jesus the author and finisher of our faith;* who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God."
Hebrews 12:22-24
But *ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem,* and to an innumerable company of angels,
*To the general assembly and church of the firstborn,* which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
*And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant,* and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.
Hebrews 13:20,21
Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead *our Lord Jesus,* that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,
Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.
Your attempts to explain away other verses like 2 Peter 2:20-24 and Luke 12:45,46 were
really sad. 2 Peter 2:20 context was people who had escaped the "pollutions of the world." *_How had they done that?_* "Through the knowledge of of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ."
You wrote *_"Matthew chapter 12 refers to this same concept."_*
No, the servan't's problem was that he had returned to sin:
■ "But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken;
The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers." (Luke 12:45,46)
@@TheBibleSays Hebrews was written to HEBREWS - Jewish converts to Christ who were being tempted to go back to the LAW. The entire book is about this. You don't read the Bible and that is your problem. They are being told to keep the faith because many of the Jewish converts to Christ were being GALATIONIZED and returning to the law. That's the entire premise of HEBREWS. You have no understanding of what you are reading.
Bro. Corey. The Hebrew Christians had come under severe persecution for their Christian faith and many were in danger of abandoning the faith to go back to the old Judaism System, hence the writer of Hebrews issued that warning about the danger of doing so. I
t's similar to when Paul warned the Galatians about their falling from grace."
As long as you keep responding to the HOLY GHOST, He will keep you in His hand and nothing will get you out of His hand, unless you intentionally turn away, or blaspheme the HOLY GHOST. If you turn away and He draws you back, you can repent. The only thing keeping you from returning is blasphemy of the HOLY GHOST
What does this say ?
Hebrews Chapter 6
4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. / this says you can loose your salvation ! This verse says “ if they shall fall away “ which means they fall from GRACE ! This says you can loose your salvation! REPENT!
a continual state of turning from sin,sin separates us from the love ofGod
Careful, Adam heeded the voice of this wife .... and here we are.
The problem with OSAS is not all the verses that talk about how we are secure in Christ (and there are MANY), the problem is that if there is ONE SINGLE WAY, regardless of how remote or difficult then OSAS as you present it is not accurate.
For me the problem comes from the sin of apostacy. Is this a real sin as described by 1Tim 4:1, 1Tim 5:8, 11-12, 2 Pet 2:20-21 then there seems to be a way that someone can deny the faith that they HAD. Let us not forget that salvation comes by grace through faith.
Now, we like to deal with this by quoting 1 John 2:19 "They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us.". But is this a universal reason, to say they were just not saved the solution to everything?.
Is this the impression we get from verses like 1Tim 4:1, 1Tim 5:8, 11-12, 2 Pet 2:20-21, that these people were just not saved? The only way to deal with these verses on apostasy is to say a) They were not saved (the text does not seem to support this) b) Do Bible acrobatics so the text means something different than what it plainly says. Like saying that this faith is of different kind than what we read in the rest of the New Testament.
Now, let it be known, I'm a strong believer in eternal security. I don't trust my own strength to stay faithful till the end and fully rely on God's everlasting faithfulness. Yet, I clearly see something here that does not fit your understanding of eternal security.
From these scriptures about apostacy I can only conclude that there is some kind of seduction that can happen in the heart. That there is a path to damnation even if you posses the truth. This is consistent with the warnings about persevering to the end. I will also admit that in light of God's everlasting faithfulness this seems impossible at first glance but I must accept what these verses clearly state, that people can apostate from the faith and after doing so to not be counted as the redeemed.
On the other hand I will be the first one to admit this interpretation is not bullet proof too. Questions like a) How can a man undo the work of salvation when he had nothing to do with it {faith is not a work} b) In verses like John 17:3 where it defines eternal life as knowing God, how can you stop knowing God once you know him? c) If God does erase people from the Book of life as Revelation 3:5 says, then how do we account for the sin of apostacy?
This subject is part of the great debate about God's sovereignty and man's free will. I for my part accept that there is a mystery here. The Bible states both truths and I believe them both. How do they interact is a mystery (in spite of what many theologians would like to say otherwise). You can argue that I strongly lean on God's sovereignty on this subject, and I admit that I do, but I can't use it to totally erase man's free will from the equation. I believe your interpretation of OSAS goes on that direction.
I may have written more than I intended. Keep up the good work. May the Lord bless your faithfulness.
Note: Christians have had debates on this subject for centuries {good sign this probably falls under the mystery category}. May your disagreements on this subject be as civil and as full of the spirit as the disagreements of two of my favorite Church heroes, John Wesley and George Whitfield.
God Bless!
NOTE, if some of the angels that lived with God in Heaven fell from grace, do anyone really think weak fallen humans cannot fall from grace.
Once saved always saved should read.
Once saved stay saved.
2 Peter 2:4. For God spared not the angels that sinned but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness to be reserved unto judgment.
Once saved stay saved.
Was the prodigal son saved?
Did he get saved before or after he returned home??
(I think he was as he was part of a family and he had a grieved and watching Father)
Osas gives the impression that as long as u say u accepted Jesus u are still secured even if u backslide. And its been so many testimonies of pastors and women and men experiencing hell because they taught this doctrine because it led the backslidders into believing they're saved no matter what, and they misled them. No u dont get into heaven by your works its by the mercy and blood of Jesus, but faith without works is dead!.
You must repent to be forgiven, you must forgive others for your father to forgive you..
Your good and bad DEEDS will def be judged and it will testify against you. However you lived on this earth was in your heart.
Make sure you are doing everything from your heart. That is the heart that Christ gives us, and not the heart of stone.
Yes u can loose your salvation no one is good except for Christ all our works is filthy rags. But if we love Christ and obey his commandments and repent we will be children of God. Those who endure till he end will be saved. It's really not hard to understand. People make it hard and start adding things and constantly explaining. Just obey Jesus, keep walking with him!.
I couldn't have said it better myself, it's time to take the gloves off and let people know the real actual truths instead of the lazy lukewarm concepts that seducing spirits and false teachers like to push.
Thank you for methodically hashing out these issues because it’s easy to read passages of scripture and make a case that we can lose our salvation. But when the Bible has passages that seem to contradict each other we must look deeper. The Bible is harmonious. OSAS and s the only way to harmonize scripture. The doctrine of losing one’s salvation has to deal with contradicting passages. OSAS does not.
Many years ago the Lord put this question in my spirit....
If you teach people to abide in Christ and walk in the Spirit, but you are wrong about once saved always saved, then the worst that can happen is;
☁️☁️"GREAT IS THEIR A
REWARD IN HEAVEN"!☁️☁️
However if you teach people that they can never walk away from the Lord, and you are wrong about once saved always saved, then the worst that can happen is;
🔥🔥"GREAT IS THEIR
TORMENT IN HELL"!🔥🔥
In one of my visitations to hell, Jesus showed me a person who was a Christian (Jesus said “he was a Christian like you”). But the guy unfortunately started sleeping around (he was planning on repenting later). He died middle aged and went to hell forever it was dark but Jesus lit up the area, he asked Jesus for another chance but unfortunately it was too late for him, Pretty said, Repent and ask Jesus to help you with your struggles (James 4:7)
Let's talk about keeping it, please RJ
I'm going to hold you to this promise and be the first one in line...ok my brother! Love you all!