During a run I did for July 4th I double-blasted one and heard that as he died... ̶I̶ ̶d̶o̶ ̶h̶o̶p̶e̶ ̶S̶h̶e̶p̶a̶r̶d̶ ̶c̶h̶a̶n̶g̶e̶d̶ ̶f̶o̶r̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶b̶e̶t̶t̶e̶r̶ ̶a̶f̶t̶e̶r̶ ̶t̶h̶a̶t̶ ̶r̶e̶v̶e̶l̶a̶t̶i̶o̶n̶.̶.̶.̶ ̶i̶f̶ ̶h̶e̶ ̶e̶v̶e̶r̶ ̶l̶e̶a̶v̶e̶s̶ ̶s̶t̶a̶s̶i̶s̶
So creepy when the Vortigaunt says "Remember Black Mesa!" when shot at in the HL2 beta
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Yeah, there are a couple of lines of vorts talking about that, they also say they know him, or tell him to calm himself. also it seems that you were going to have ally vorts along side you in the uprising, there are lines for following the player or that the player is in the line of fire, and interactions for citizens back and forth. Its something I plan to do someday, restore all those lines in hl2 update.
He didn't whip it out he was already holding it look at the clip again also shepard's health is actually low otherwise if it was full he'd need 2 shots to die
im too emotional to play games with dialogue like this, his line “my moms gonna be scared when i dont come home tonight” (something similar to that) made me genuinely sad
Fun fact: HL1's console displays the message "I'm not following you, you evil person!" when you try to make a betrayed scientist follow you while the "-dev" launch parameter is added. HL: Source also does this, I think.
@@AntoScrujo Because it's strange and unexpected. I assume it was a debugging thing, so developers could know why a scientist was refusing to follow the player.
Given their current tech, knowledge and resources, imagine what they could do with the AI for HL3 when it comes out (yes "when", being hopeful :). I'd love to see more dynamic NPCs with unique personalities and richer interactions.
@@Darkspinesupersonic8 The smart move by Valve would be make it flat but allow modders to add VR support, I mean they've already laid the groundwork. I love VR but there's plenty of innovation to be had outside of that, in AI, physics, etc.
"In Half Life 2, friendly fire is completely disabled" Me: **grabs explosive barrel, set it on fire using generic fire entity, throw it to the citizens and kills them**
@@ATP2555ify It must have been an entity that spawned as a live scientist and then died shortly after. One example can be found in Office Complex, outside the dark room where another scientist is hiding.
The HL2 rebels still have their friendly fire reactions programmed in IIRC. So if you mod the game to re-enable friendly fire, those sound clips will play. There’s no vortigaunt ones though.
i think it would work if you make player hate citizens but dont make citizens hate player, this way player can harm citizens while citizens are friendly
The Barney friendly fire rules are surprisingly in-depth for a character that I'm assuming most people either ignore, sacrifice, or kill for a pistol. Really shows how much attention to detail went into the game. Edit: eHrMaHerD sO mAnY lIkEs etc etc
I never kill barney because friendly have unlimited ammo and in HL barnet beats grunt at long range for some reason. so I can get a mag and lose a companion or I can keep the companion alive and have free unlimited ammo for any encounter. that said I did always escort all NPC to the elevator when I can.
@@Zack_Wester i usually don't directly kill him, i just let him fight the zombie and see who wins. Of course, after the first barney there's no reason to kill any others since ammo is easy enough to get.
"If Barney takes friendly fire during combat, he assumes it's crossfire and won't retaliate." Better rules than most other games I've played. How many times I've had to hide in a brush during a base assault in Far Cry 3 while a Rakyat runs up and down the road yelling *"I'm going to get you JASON!"* because my allies won't stop strafing in front of my line of fire.
The same could be said for Bethesda games. If there weren’t a yield feature in Oblivion and Skyrim, accidentally hitting civilians or escorts would be much more punishing.
I still cannot believe you haven't made a video about the mechanics of the Gauss gun. It is hands down the most mechanical weapon I've seen in a shooter. I've been playing HL1DM for years and still don't know how the Gauss's wall banging works. It's a splash weapon at certain angles and does splash damage through penetrated walls (very hard to understand mechanic)
There's some info about the unfinished friendly fire systems in HL2 where apparently citizens were ment to shoot at Gordon after they say WE TRUSTED YOU! Or YOUR NOT THE MAN I THOUGHT YOU WERE! The reason friendly fire was cut in HL2 was because it completely broke sequences and felt unneeded, along with breaking story. Like if Gordon was the heart of the resistance, why would he be gunning down every Rebel he meets or purposely putting them in friendly / crossfire? And there was points where you could kill important characters and break cutscenes in early builds aswell. From a story standpoint, it felt dumb.
There is even a theory to "retcon" that: since Gordon accepted G-Man's offer in the end of HL1 (under the threat of giving Gordon a battle that he has no chance of winning, though) he isn't free anymore, so any of his actions against G-Man's script simply don't affect anything.
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The devs also said the players got very frustrated when they accidentally killed their allies in the uprising part.
@ I wish I COULD kill the rebels during the uprising with how often they block the corridors in the apartment sections
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@@Eira_ Yeah, that was always annoying, and they repeated almost non stop for you to reload and they figured it out by ep1 because they removed it then.
5:24 surprised me and made me lol especially after all the ineffective shots before. The timing after "Ah yes, Gordon Freeman" made it even funnier. Classic comedic moment.
The story in the final game seems hinged on the idea that Gordon is lawful good. It's possible that at some point in development the idea of including friendly fire was canned because of how behind they were on making the game, and the story was changed to make it seem like less of a technical limitation and more of an artistic decision.
@@nackskott12 I doubt the story was changed to justify the removal of friendly fire everything considered, but I think you have the gist of it. I imagine friendly fire was discarded because of the logistical issues in making sure scripted sequences accounted for it, the tonal and thematic issues on Gordon the big hero of the resistance murdering innocent people, and the simple fact that, well, as fun as friendly fire is it's usually something that players just do a few times then move on; wouldn't be missed too much by most.
@@nackskott12 i don't disagree. hl2 was retconned generally, easiest example is administrator being "classified" in hl1, implying its gman, where as in hl2 Breen being admin is given as implicit knowledge
well you can use a console command in HL2 that allows you to kill friendly npcs (ent_create ai_relationship subject !player target * disposition 1 rank 99 reciprocal 0 startactive 1)
Allied NPCs are capable of inadvertently damaging each other, but they have no recognition of friendly fire in those cases. They just take the damage and shrug it off (or die).
Half-Life was the first shooter I played where friendly NPCs would react by fleeing and fighting back to my hostility. I still remember being surprised at the end of the Hazard Course when Barney turned around, threatened me and shot back.
Man that last scene of Colonel Odessa Cubbage brings back memories. On the retail Xbox port, I must have spent a solid hour reloading saves when I learned you could kill everyone in the room if you aligned props and fired an energy ball at it. One time I even killed everyone in the room when I punted the metal desk at the right angle!
I figured out you can kill rebels by shooting a hopper mine directly up in the air with the gravity gun. For some reason, the game doesn't consider it to have come from you on its way down.
Yeah, especially the twerking at 1:00 lol It was cool, but it wasn't some goddamn miracle. Our fond memories of this early game make it seem better than it really was
1:32 dude that's great, there are many games where friendly fire is absurd, the fact that guards assume it's crossfire when they're in combat and don't turn hostile is something very useful, you don't know how many times I played fallout 4 for giving a example and my allies attack me because they get in my way and take damage by mistake
They also treat gibbing dead scientists/guards in front of them as hostile actions, with predictable consequences. This does not apply to pre-placed corpses.
Interesting trivia that I found relating to how the ai reacts to friendly fire on other ally NPCs. In "We've got Hostiles" there is a section where you can save scientist from turrets and a fire door, who trust you. These scientist, however, loose trust in you if you shoot the g-man on the balcony. This is one of the only few times in the game you get a good shot at the g-man, and it's interesting that he's "friendly fire", and that the other scientists CAN see you shooting at the g-man. -> there's a cut scripted sequence here for the g-man running away when you shoot him at this location, but it seems to not be entirely removed, since other NPCs still notice him getting shot.
I think I know what he meant He meant that the Vortigaunts we're attacking Humans but it's because of Nihilanth and some guys who survived the incident would think that they are still hostile
@@sparkyphantom92 I can’t say it’s bad though, it’s good but I’d rather play hl1 instead, I mean sometimes the game is visually stunning and it has a lot of heart put in it and I genuinely liked some things, but the slow combat and movement kinda dragged it down but it wasn’t bad.
For some reason I'm always more afraid of security guards 150% accuracy with the pestol and damage than a grunt with a semiautomatic. Like, as if Gordon is a werewolf and they drill straight out silver bullets at you with heatseeking accuracy.
The pistol is amour piercing for some reason . When against human the guard always hit the torso. Plus they never miss. The moment they got sight of you if they are hostile it will be hit scan damage
Its like there's not even a bullet trajectory to at least manage some zig-zag maneuvers, the moment you hear the "PEW PEW" it already registered as damage. Lmao, I think the spark in their guns is just decoration, might as well not even have it. Now a grunt you can see the strafe and somewhat dodge it, it's amazing, they need to mass produce these limb tearing pistols.
@@centercannothold that's very interesting. I never knew they always aimed for the chest, which is something taught in training (both police and military, IIRC).
Looking at the details that went into the consideration of friendly fires, Valve developers was ahead of its time paying attention in details. The way Barney and grunts tolerates friendly fire out of crossfire consideration? That was awesome. On other hand, I still remember in Skyrim, I hated any combat scenario where there's allies involved, because you might just have accidentally sliced them and incurring wrath of the entire city.
Although it's less realistic, I think disabling all friendly fire in half life 2 was the right call. When you first play you'll try it out once, discover you can't do it, and never bother after that. When it's a possibility, the player is always tempted to let off steam on them and you'll lose some sympathy for npcs and take events less seriously, which is doubly important in 2. Think about the apartment that gets raided. It would completely take the gravity out of that moment if you had been quicksaving and shooting them yourself moments earlier.
You can't even have a gun by that apartment setpiece (unless you're cheating, in which case you probably don't care about the gravity of the situation), but... yeah, I kinda agree. Having to account for NPCs critical to the various scripted scenes would also be a real pain, and most of the time the player's "reward" for killing such NPCs would be just being reloaded back. There's also other tonal and thematic issues, like why is Gordon being treated as the big hero when he's killing every civilian he's able to on sight? There's maybe an argument to be made that HL2 shouldn't have been designed or written like this (that is, in a way that makes friendly fire both a pain to implement and a drain on the story), and I admit that some nice touches from HL1's AI were lost with the removal of friendly fire, but I think for the kind of game Valve wanted to make, this was the right decision.
I remember accidentally damaging one of my squad members in Opposing Force with a grenade during a fight with female assassins. Once the fight ended another squad member came up to me speaking normally but was kicking me.
It never ceases to amaze me how detailed the AI in HL is for its time. Before I found this channel I didn't realize how much depth there was. Major props to the devs for making this a masterpiece, and to this channel for bringing all of this to light.
@Jotaro97 This corresponds with real life where you're unaware of alot of stuff unless you go out of your way. Another argument for how authentic HL is.
4:55 It’s probably a good thing that friendly fire was disabled in this game, because I’ve lost track of how many times I was playing Hl2 and mistook one of the rebels for an enemy.
Imagine some guy *accidentaly* hits you with a crowbar, whom then you kill. And It turns out you are doomed because that guy was the saviour of humanity.
otis one-shotting with the deagle while saying that line and sending adrian flying so far back is one of the funniest things i have ever seen in half life
1:40 Thanks for the video, Marph. How does the Barney A.I. differentiate between crossfire and intentional friendly fire? Does it have something to do with Barney firing his gun or seeing an enemy?
I assume that Barney's AI has an "defensive" state for when he's shooting at an enemy, and while that state is active he uses those more relaxed friendly fire rules. When he's in his "passive" state he probably does a line of sight check to see if you were aiming directly at him for that first shot.
I'm not following you, you evil person!
okay
bleargh
Marphy is average Half-Life: Source enjoyer confirmed
You know, I'm willing to take *so* much abuse. 😠
FRIENDLY FIRE! FRIENDLY FIRE!
"You know nobody likes a bully"
Shoots him down on sight.
Otis, you're the man!
King.
he has to protect his booty 🍑
*Pumped Up Kicks starts playing*
@@GambinoTheGoat why did you have to make this comment, you easily could have kept this to yourself.
Literally Columbine
Otis: Y'know, nobody likes a bully
**shoots Adrian at the force of a highspeed train**
357 Magnum is no joke
@Hollow ; I do hope you know that the Desert Eagle is produced in .357 Magnum, .44 Magnum, .50 Action Express and many Wildcat cartridges.
During a run I did for July 4th I double-blasted one and heard that as he died...
̶I̶ ̶d̶o̶ ̶h̶o̶p̶e̶ ̶S̶h̶e̶p̶a̶r̶d̶ ̶c̶h̶a̶n̶g̶e̶d̶ ̶f̶o̶r̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶b̶e̶t̶t̶e̶r̶ ̶a̶f̶t̶e̶r̶ ̶t̶h̶a̶t̶ ̶r̶e̶v̶e̶l̶a̶t̶i̶o̶n̶.̶.̶.̶ ̶i̶f̶ ̶h̶e̶ ̶e̶v̶e̶r̶ ̶l̶e̶a̶v̶e̶s̶ ̶s̶t̶a̶s̶i̶s̶
“I don't wanna die a virgin!”
@@FirstDagger yup
And the one in hl1 is chambered in .357 because it shares ammo with the colt python which is a .357 magnum
So creepy when the Vortigaunt says "Remember Black Mesa!" when shot at in the HL2 beta
Yeah, there are a couple of lines of vorts talking about that, they also say they know him, or tell him to calm himself. also it seems that you were going to have ally vorts along side you in the uprising, there are lines for following the player or that the player is in the line of fire, and interactions for citizens back and forth. Its something I plan to do someday, restore all those lines in hl2 update.
@ ..
@ oh that's nice. So you're one of the devs of HL2 Update?
Another checklist as to why the beta was better.
@@Web720 No sorry, I meant as a mod.
3:17 "Nobody likes a bully!"
>Whips out Desert Eagle and vaporizes Adrian with one .50 AE round.
Eh they’re .357 in this game
@@roddydykes7053 thankfully, there are Deagles out there chambered in 357, so I don’t need to gripe about it! :)
He saved a fifty just for this occasion, maybe. Hates you so much that he ain't gonna pull the trigger twice.
He didn't whip it out he was already holding it look at the clip again also shepard's health is actually low otherwise if it was full he'd need 2 shots to die
@@isaacfg6949 yeah but i think .357 deagles hold more bullets in the mag than .50
"I thought we were becoming friends!" 3:10
That there is enough to break a man's heart, poor Otis.
Then he just hip fires shepherd
im too emotional to play games with dialogue like this, his line “my moms gonna be scared when i dont come home tonight” (something similar to that) made me genuinely sad
@@myth0572 holy- that is just way too sad, truly makes you feel like they're actual people with a life outside the events of the game
@@jawadibrahim2367 yeah, sometimes it even gets in the way of the game experience
@@myth0572 i agree, it feels like these guys have actual feeling and not just an ai
Fun fact: HL1's console displays the message "I'm not following you, you evil person!" when you try to make a betrayed scientist follow you while the "-dev" launch parameter is added. HL: Source also does this, I think.
Oh, when i test maps that happens
Why does that sound kind of creepy to me?
@@AntoScrujo Because it's strange and unexpected. I assume it was a debugging thing, so developers could know why a scientist was refusing to follow the player.
do -console
-dev is bad for playing bruh
@@IsmailofeRegime easter egg, that simple if cant be hard, you dont need lotza debuggi for that
i love how as otis says ''nobody likes a bully'' he just casually did the fucking *gunfighter ballads stance* as he one taps shepard with his big iron
such a chad
Is he an Arizona Ranger?
They are pretty close to Arizona...
@@ToxicBastard New Mexico Ranger with a deagle on his hip.
@@queuedjar4578 Texas Orange
Fun fact: in HL1, if you gib a dead body, friendlies around you will treat it as though you caused the original death, whether or not you did.
defiling corpses isnt cool
Tss, if teabagging was a thing back than.
“Hey we we’re gonna eat that!”
(proceeds to shoot gordon to death)
This doesn't happen in my game
It's because "dead" bodies are not dead, they're still alive but can't speak and play animation
Moral of the story: you don't mess with Otis
Otis is a god on earth, if you kill him, you will get the worst punishment ever
Cuz yknow... He has a desert eagle... Not a glock like other guards
and NPC Deagles do more damage than the player's
@@yurionedge2199 the deagle like is so overpowered and it single hands everything
Luckily he lets you mess with other guards or scientists. He doesn't turn hostile to you if you kill a scientist.
That moment when a video game NPC from the late 90s care more about eachother than the people you meet irl
Wow this hit home for me lmao
I feel really bad for Otis
Also weren't you supposed to be in gta 3? Lol
*𝟐𝟎𝟎𝟏 𝐊𝐚𝐫𝐢𝐧 𝐊𝐮𝐫𝐮𝐦𝐚*
Never thought I'd meet another Kuruma enthusiast in the wild!
HEY YOUR IN THE WRONG SERIES YOU CANT EVEN SWIM
3:18 some say Otis is the fastest gun in black mesa
"woah, quick draw"
@@zorex. xD
You mean fattest
@@FlymanMS "nobody likes a bully"
Yeah especialy if you Play They Hunger...
Edit not Hunter... 😑
“Friendly fire is not tolerated!”
Value: meh add it anyways HEY SAVE SOME FOR ME
Aleks, Half Life 1 weapons reloads when?
Friendly fire will not be tolerated
same goes for lactose here
In other words, "STAHP!"
I love how the guard immediately insults the stench of your corpse.
3:16 "And the swiftness of the Ranger is still talked about today."
Adrian Shepherd had not cleared leather before a bullet fairly ripped.
Big Ranger with a Big Iron
Feels like this guy can endlessly find new things in Half-life to show.
Русич
Marphy is like the Half-Life equivalent to Pannenkoek.
"Y'know, nobody likes a bully."
**Proceeds to draw and shoot Shephard within 1 millisecond**
Your next
3:19
“STAPH!” Is the friendly fire you need to worry about.
STAPH!
No!
*HWAAGH!*
DAARGH!!
Stop attacking! He's a friend!
In Half-Life: Alyx it prevents you from firing a gun when you aim at an ally.
Imagine if they're in the way and you're trying to shoot
"Why is my gun not working?! Is this a bug?"
1984
@@Squiddy0912 literally
@@Squiddy0912 bad take
Almost like how it worked in half life 2
Believe me, if friendly fire were a thing, Cubbage would've been liquified at a moments' notice.
@Stix N' Stones But Mossman helped Gordon and Alyx at the end.
@@Madanbek_The_Dragon_Lover but mossman brought eli to the citadel so if mossman was dead it would be great
@@stixnstones9511
Mossman would already been dead in my playthrough
"I'm gonna kick your ass!" *starts doing the can can*
I mean, they are a little confused but they got the spirit
We miss you
@@lostskull7467 Alright... AAAAAAAAAAAaaAAAaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaAAAAaaaAAAAAAaaaAAA
@@ZuGineeris **neck clap**
This just shows you how the AI in Half Life 1 makes the game more alive. Valve was really ambitious on their first product
Valve is always pretty ambitious with their single player stuff, when they manage to release it.
Given their current tech, knowledge and resources, imagine what they could do with the AI for HL3 when it comes out (yes "when", being hopeful :). I'd love to see more dynamic NPCs with unique personalities and richer interactions.
@@RC-mb5oh I'd love to, if there was a chance of it not being VR. There is every chance HL3 will be, locking out a lot of the playerbase.
@@Darkspinesupersonic8 The smart move by Valve would be make it flat but allow modders to add VR support, I mean they've already laid the groundwork. I love VR but there's plenty of innovation to be had outside of that, in AI, physics, etc.
The trick is getting them to produce anything
i didnt think barneys 'i can only take SO much' was so literal
I like how Half-Life npc's almost always turn away after killing you.
"Harumph."
@Stix N' Stones Now I'm either having deja vus, or you repeat yourself
Otis's clone #211
@@EternalGruntSetsu you repeat yourself you know...
Mmmm, they must be preforming a JoJo move.
*"I thought we were becoming friends..."*
Sorry, Otis. I have orders to make
Good soldiers follow orders, good soldiers follow orders...
@@medicolkie3606 no, No. NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!
@@elusivedesert8530 and then otis fucking vaporized adrian with a .50
Adrian doesn't even know he is there to kill people
Adrian never got his orders.
"In Half Life 2, friendly fire is completely disabled"
Me: **grabs explosive barrel, set it on fire using generic fire entity, throw it to the citizens and kills them**
@Stix N' Stones «My goodness, it appears that I have suddenly combusted»
just like if we need another reason why hl 1 is miles better than 2
@Stix N' Stones never cared for Barrels to be honest and technically you still can
Well, i use Grenades.
I'm not following you, evil person!
You forgot to mention that destroying the corpses of allies (not entities that were already corpses) will also anger any allies present.
You sure because I've gibbed a dead scientist in vicinity of a Barney and he started shooting me
@@ATP2555ify It must have been an entity that spawned as a live scientist and then died shortly after. One example can be found in Office Complex, outside the dark room where another scientist is hiding.
The HL2 rebels still have their friendly fire reactions programmed in IIRC. So if you mod the game to re-enable friendly fire, those sound clips will play. There’s no vortigaunt ones though.
I know I've heard them in SMOD, at least. The civilian/rebel voice clips, that is.
@Stix N' Stones I think Ross Scott modded the game for that in Freeman's Mind 2.
i think it would work if you make player hate citizens but dont make citizens hate player, this way player can harm citizens while citizens are friendly
in GMod if you have HL Source mounted, killing a scientist while a rebel is nearby will trigger the voice lines
@Stix N' Stones There's a console command, but I forget exactly what it is
And as always, questionable tests are performed in questionable ethics labs
People like to dab on Otis but he appears to be the deadliest gunslinger in the games.
Hi mabs
@@Hoplopfheil yoooo wtf it hop 😍
He carries a magnum
The Barney friendly fire rules are surprisingly in-depth for a character that I'm assuming most people either ignore, sacrifice, or kill for a pistol. Really shows how much attention to detail went into the game.
Edit: eHrMaHerD sO mAnY lIkEs etc etc
I never kill barney because friendly have unlimited ammo and in HL barnet beats grunt at long range for some reason.
so I can get a mag and lose a companion or I can keep the companion alive and have free unlimited ammo for any encounter.
that said I did always escort all NPC to the elevator when I can.
it applies to the other security guards too i assume
@@flydrop8822 every security guard is named Barney, that's just how it is
I always tried to keep all the barneys with me since they are good at giving assist fire or making them fight the enemies for me.
@@Zack_Wester i usually don't directly kill him, i just let him fight the zombie and see who wins. Of course, after the first barney there's no reason to kill any others since ammo is easy enough to get.
3:17 "How to deal with bullies 101" PSA
Immediately Open fire on them, Nice.
murica
“A single provocation is enough to betray a scientist’s trust forever.”
The scientist: *he dancin*
"Hey, I-I thought we were becoming friends..."
That made me so sad. I love Otis, he's such a sweetheart.
"If Barney takes friendly fire during combat, he assumes it's crossfire and won't retaliate."
Better rules than most other games I've played. How many times I've had to hide in a brush during a base assault in Far Cry 3 while a Rakyat runs up and down the road yelling *"I'm going to get you JASON!"* because my allies won't stop strafing in front of my line of fire.
The same could be said for Bethesda games. If there weren’t a yield feature in Oblivion and Skyrim, accidentally hitting civilians or escorts would be much more punishing.
Vortigaunt originally said "remember Black Mesa" on friendly fire
Holy shit dude that's messed up
Is he threatening him, or saying, “There’s already been enough bloodshed?”
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Especially since they’re all canonically Coterminous
That Vortigaunt sounds more annoyed than angry
The vortigaunt saying "remember Black Mesa?" after being struck with a crowbar is very sad :(
HL2's ammo is all blanks and the enemies just pretend to be dead so Gordon doesn't feel bad
honor system
if you are shot you have to lie down
"Hey, I thought we were becoming friends! ;c"
I still cannot believe you haven't made a video about the mechanics of the Gauss gun. It is hands down the most mechanical weapon I've seen in a shooter. I've been playing HL1DM for years and still don't know how the Gauss's wall banging works. It's a splash weapon at certain angles and does splash damage through penetrated walls (very hard to understand mechanic)
I also don't understand bounces
There's some info about the unfinished friendly fire systems in HL2 where apparently citizens were ment to shoot at Gordon after they say
WE TRUSTED YOU!
Or
YOUR NOT THE MAN I THOUGHT YOU WERE!
The reason friendly fire was cut in HL2 was because it completely broke sequences and felt unneeded, along with breaking story. Like if Gordon was the heart of the resistance, why would he be gunning down every Rebel he meets or purposely putting them in friendly / crossfire? And there was points where you could kill important characters and break cutscenes in early builds aswell.
From a story standpoint, it felt dumb.
There is even a theory to "retcon" that: since Gordon accepted G-Man's offer in the end of HL1 (under the threat of giving Gordon a battle that he has no chance of winning, though) he isn't free anymore, so any of his actions against G-Man's script simply don't affect anything.
The devs also said the players got very frustrated when they accidentally killed their allies in the uprising part.
@ I wish I COULD kill the rebels during the uprising with how often they block the corridors in the apartment sections
@@Eira_ Yeah, that was always annoying, and they repeated almost non stop for you to reload and they figured it out by ep1 because they removed it then.
+ like, the amount of buds that you can find are way bigger than in HL, and all of them has strong weapons
5:24 surprised me and made me lol especially after all the ineffective shots before. The timing after "Ah yes, Gordon Freeman" made it even funnier. Classic comedic moment.
4:40 Damn, that Vort is really playing on Gordon's memories here
3:17 - Otis does not like bullies.
Oh my god thank you for posting this comment I'm so broken right now this is a pickup.
“In the final release, friendly fire was completely disabled”
*Almost* completely.
funny scientists starts dancing when they got hit
5:25 i like how he said friendly fire is disabled but he absolutely DESTROYED that man with the barrel
Odessa: "Now, who's going to be the one to carry it into combat?"
Gordon: *gives Odessa a barrel*
Odessa: "Ah, Gordon Freeman!"
A barrel for a rocket launcher? Sounds like a fair trade to me.
Gordon: *proceeds to launch the barrel at Odessa with the speed of a ThrustSSC*
i always felt like friendly fire off in half life 2 wasnt lore friendly, cuz when i played half life Gordon was an absolute maniac
The story in the final game seems hinged on the idea that Gordon is lawful good. It's possible that at some point in development the idea of including friendly fire was canned because of how behind they were on making the game, and the story was changed to make it seem like less of a technical limitation and more of an artistic decision.
@@nackskott12 I doubt the story was changed to justify the removal of friendly fire everything considered, but I think you have the gist of it. I imagine friendly fire was discarded because of the logistical issues in making sure scripted sequences accounted for it, the tonal and thematic issues on Gordon the big hero of the resistance murdering innocent people, and the simple fact that, well, as fun as friendly fire is it's usually something that players just do a few times then move on; wouldn't be missed too much by most.
@@nackskott12 the whole point of HL is that Freeman is "you", I think its a bad change
@@nackskott12 i don't disagree. hl2 was retconned generally, easiest example is administrator being "classified" in hl1, implying its gman, where as in hl2 Breen being admin is given as implicit knowledge
well you can use a console command in HL2 that allows you to kill friendly npcs (ent_create ai_relationship subject !player target * disposition 1 rank 99 reciprocal 0 startactive 1)
A five minute video with a boring information about 23 years old game gets 100k views. This is why Half-Life is the best video game ever made
Is there friendly fire between NPCs? If there is, how do they react to it?
I was gonna ask the same thing, like if a scientist got shot by barney in a crossfire, would he be scared and run away from him?
Allied NPCs are capable of inadvertently damaging each other, but they have no recognition of friendly fire in those cases. They just take the damage and shrug it off (or die).
@@MarphitimusBlackimus this is why Gordon kills them, he hates their double standards
@@protocetid No man, you don't get it. Gordon is simply held to higher standards. After all, he is a "HiGhLy TrAiNeD PrOfEsSiOnAl".
@@rainbowwhitey9274 To be fair, they did assure the administrator that nothing would go wrong, and Gordon is tarnishing that assurance.
Half-Life was the first shooter I played where friendly NPCs would react by fleeing and fighting back to my hostility. I still remember being surprised at the end of the Hazard Course when Barney turned around, threatened me and shot back.
Wish friendly fire was still a thing in Half-Life 2.
Unfortunately, it was cut in the final release.
@@michaelgaming1991 you dont say
its a thing when you load HL2 through gmod if you want to play the game like that
You won’t have that wish anymore after you play with it on for a bit.
@@joannawood7352 yeah but citizen wont kill you if you kill a friendly npc
Man that last scene of Colonel Odessa Cubbage brings back memories. On the retail Xbox port, I must have spent a solid hour reloading saves when I learned you could kill everyone in the room if you aligned props and fired an energy ball at it. One time I even killed everyone in the room when I punted the metal desk at the right angle!
I figured out you can kill rebels by shooting a hopper mine directly up in the air with the gravity gun. For some reason, the game doesn't consider it to have come from you on its way down.
This video makes me remember how absurdly advanced Half Life's AI was for the time, like holy shit. Valve thought of everything with this.
Yeah, especially the twerking at 1:00 lol
It was cool, but it wasn't some goddamn miracle. Our fond memories of this early game make it seem better than it really was
@@suzukirider9030 Do you have to be so blunt about it?
@@lilacocto9103 ...sorry :-(
@@suzukirider9030 It's okay, it's just not the response I was expecting.
@@suzukirider9030 You're literally watching a video of how advanced the AI in HL is. What "memories"?
1:32 dude that's great, there are many games where friendly fire is absurd, the fact that guards assume it's crossfire when they're in combat and don't turn hostile is something very useful, you don't know how many times I played fallout 4 for giving a example and my allies attack me because they get in my way and take damage by mistake
Wow, I'm surprised it can tell the difference between direct and indirect friendly fire!
3:19 WTF Otis shot from the hip instantly, never seen that before. We got Clint Eastwood over here fellas
They also treat gibbing dead scientists/guards in front of them as hostile actions, with predictable consequences. This does not apply to pre-placed corpses.
**Shephard fires at a dude point blank standing right beside him.**
"Did you hear something?"
Interesting trivia that I found relating to how the ai reacts to friendly fire on other ally NPCs. In "We've got Hostiles" there is a section where you can save scientist from turrets and a fire door, who trust you. These scientist, however, loose trust in you if you shoot the g-man on the balcony. This is one of the only few times in the game you get a good shot at the g-man, and it's interesting that he's "friendly fire", and that the other scientists CAN see you shooting at the g-man.
-> there's a cut scripted sequence here for the g-man running away when you shoot him at this location, but it seems to not be entirely removed, since other NPCs still notice him getting shot.
2:56 how could you attack Otis?!
Marphy was temporarily possessed by a demon from hell. That's evidently the only logical explanation.
You know nobody likes a bully
3:10 ):
0:30
*_*Security force kills freeman*_*
Also security force: Ew, what's that stench?
He did a perfect roast
"A single provocation is enough to betray a Scientist's trust forever."
me too buddy
He returns in the day we needed him!
4:38 "remember black mesa?" Oh my god 💔 my heart just broke into a million shattered bits
I think I know what he meant
He meant that the Vortigaunts we're attacking Humans but it's because of Nihilanth and some guys who survived the incident would think that they are still hostile
the shaking of the mouse each time they turned hostile is the best part of this video
Had just been replaying Half-Life recently to hype myself up for a first play of Black Mesa, so this is wonderfully good timing. Thanks Marphy!
Black Mesa's yet another fan-made mod of HL2, and everything about it definitely makes you feel like it is.
Black Mesa is a perfect remake, they improved literally everything from the original
@@Highlander741 except for the movement and combat the two key components to a FPS game.
@@Highlander741 That's what I expect the casual observer to say.
@@sparkyphantom92 I can’t say it’s bad though, it’s good but I’d rather play hl1 instead, I mean sometimes the game is visually stunning and it has a lot of heart put in it and I genuinely liked some things, but the slow combat and movement kinda dragged it down but it wasn’t bad.
That ending had me dying. Ragdoll physics are still funny.
I'd rather have the huge HL1 gibbing instead of ragdolls, its been done to death
3:09 i think Otis is that one kid who always got bullied
I guess so
He looks like he often got bullied
@@Sgt.Peanut16 Just heard what he said like "Hey, i-i though we were becoming friend :(" and the other quote "You know, nobody likes some bullies"
@@codename.ken-z yeah I feel bad for him, I prefer Otis more than Barney
The fact that I am fascinated with the mechanics of a game that came out 22 years ago is a testament to its success.
"You know, no one likes a bully"
(Flicks his gun up slightly and shoots Shephard, instantly killing him)
3:54
*loads gun with malicious intent*
For some reason I'm always more afraid of security guards 150% accuracy with the pestol and damage than a grunt with a semiautomatic.
Like, as if Gordon is a werewolf and they drill straight out silver bullets at you with heatseeking accuracy.
The pistol is amour piercing for some reason . When against human the guard always hit the torso. Plus they never miss. The moment they got sight of you if they are hostile it will be hit scan damage
gordon is a cockroach and barney has a tank of raid
Its like there's not even a bullet trajectory to at least manage some zig-zag maneuvers, the moment you hear the "PEW PEW" it already registered as damage. Lmao, I think the spark in their guns is just decoration, might as well not even have it.
Now a grunt you can see the strafe and somewhat dodge it, it's amazing, they need to mass produce these limb tearing pistols.
@@centercannothold that's very interesting. I never knew they always aimed for the chest, which is something taught in training (both police and military, IIRC).
1:17 looks like someone forgot their pita bread
5:27 that ragdoll is simply amazin.
fun fact Barney has faster firing rate and higher damge output when he starts shooting at the player and he even start firing at longer rangers
4:28 I N J U R Y O R B E C O M E J E W
Scientists' *"Staph"* is all I need xD
5:28 I can't believe that Odessa is fucking dead!
ripbozo
Looking at the details that went into the consideration of friendly fires, Valve developers was ahead of its time paying attention in details. The way Barney and grunts tolerates friendly fire out of crossfire consideration? That was awesome. On other hand, I still remember in Skyrim, I hated any combat scenario where there's allies involved, because you might just have accidentally sliced them and incurring wrath of the entire city.
5:01 I think it says it all
Where Was I?... Ah Yes.
**Gets Shot In The Head**
This AI is still more advanced than Cyberpunk
Otis saying "I thought we becoming a friend" and sound like he is almost burst out of tear make me feel sad.
Although it's less realistic, I think disabling all friendly fire in half life 2 was the right call. When you first play you'll try it out once, discover you can't do it, and never bother after that. When it's a possibility, the player is always tempted to let off steam on them and you'll lose some sympathy for npcs and take events less seriously, which is doubly important in 2. Think about the apartment that gets raided. It would completely take the gravity out of that moment if you had been quicksaving and shooting them yourself moments earlier.
You can't even have a gun by that apartment setpiece (unless you're cheating, in which case you probably don't care about the gravity of the situation), but... yeah, I kinda agree.
Having to account for NPCs critical to the various scripted scenes would also be a real pain, and most of the time the player's "reward" for killing such NPCs would be just being reloaded back. There's also other tonal and thematic issues, like why is Gordon being treated as the big hero when he's killing every civilian he's able to on sight?
There's maybe an argument to be made that HL2 shouldn't have been designed or written like this (that is, in a way that makes friendly fire both a pain to implement and a drain on the story), and I admit that some nice touches from HL1's AI were lost with the removal of friendly fire, but I think for the kind of game Valve wanted to make, this was the right decision.
@@LonelySpaceDetective oh right, good call, you get the gun later from the metro cop in that alley. I need to actually play HL2 again.
I remember accidentally damaging one of my squad members in Opposing Force with a grenade during a fight with female assassins. Once the fight ended another squad member came up to me speaking normally but was kicking me.
It never ceases to amaze me how detailed the AI in HL is for its time. Before I found this channel I didn't realize how much depth there was. Major props to the devs for making this a masterpiece, and to this channel for bringing all of this to light.
@Jotaro97 This corresponds with real life where you're unaware of alot of stuff unless you go out of your way. Another argument for how authentic HL is.
Otis sounded so heartbroken... :'(
These mechanics are amazing! *it's a shame black mesa doesn't have them*
4:55 It’s probably a good thing that friendly fire was disabled in this game, because I’ve lost track of how many times I was playing Hl2 and mistook one of the rebels for an enemy.
This just proves Otis is the most powerful half-life character
Thanks sir!
"Nobody likes a bully" *proceeds to send you to the shadow realm*
Imagine some guy *accidentaly* hits you with a crowbar, whom then you kill. And It turns out you are doomed because that guy was the saviour of humanity.
3:17 otis is more powerful than anyone of us could have imagined
otis one-shotting with the deagle while saying that line and sending adrian flying so far back is one of the funniest things i have ever seen in half life
"Oooh, what's that stench?"
That's my friend is the decaynig scent of a died trust
1:40
Thanks for the video, Marph. How does the Barney A.I. differentiate between crossfire and intentional friendly fire? Does it have something to do with Barney firing his gun or seeing an enemy?
I assume that Barney's AI has an "defensive" state for when he's shooting at an enemy, and while that state is active he uses those more relaxed friendly fire rules.
When he's in his "passive" state he probably does a line of sight check to see if you were aiming directly at him for that first shot.
If Barney is currently pursuing an enemy target, he'll ignore friendly fire until that enemy is dead.
"Ew what's that stench?"
You just shot a man, Barney #57,984,672.
"Y'know, nobody likes a bully!"
*Shoots them point blank*