Climbing cam hacks?

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  • Опубликовано: 16 янв 2025

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  • @sebastianflynn1746
    @sebastianflynn1746 Год назад +404

    I really want to see what happens with the extendable if you leave a carabiner in.

    • @sebastianflynn1746
      @sebastianflynn1746 Год назад +3

      @@feelinghealingfrequences7179 if you extend a cam with an extendable sling by just clipping a draw and leaving the carabiner clipped into both slings it causes the carabiner to get sucked up into the finger loop, my theory is this creates a larger bend radius and be stronger, but who knows.

  • @TheUncleRuckus
    @TheUncleRuckus Год назад +160

    Hell yeah we want a long form video on it lol

    • @frspp
      @frspp Год назад

      Take a look black diamond qc lab, it is all there

  • @hurrifpv5329
    @hurrifpv5329 Год назад +66

    Please show the results of the destructive test

  • @novielo
    @novielo Год назад +5

    I would like to see a long form of this test.
    And "how to replace the can slings yourself", girth hitch, basket hitch etc.
    I've replaced mine with a basket hitch. Kept the slings tidy with a tube webbing and sewn the basket together to prevent clipping to only one half. I have pictures of the process if you want.
    The reason is, we do not have a webbing replacement shop in Canada that I am aware of.

  • @AGoldoust
    @AGoldoust Год назад +27

    yes! the alternative way for changing the sling would be nice please 🥰

  • @fishandchips3340
    @fishandchips3340 Год назад +13

    I found that the basket hitch is recommended by various alpine clubs and a gear manufacturer for this purpose. I would be interested in it's performance on a typical cam-thumb-loop.

    • @blazeweaver7467
      @blazeweaver7467 Год назад +2

      Would break higher in theory, but 9kn? You're a bag of jello at 6, so super good enough..

  • @chrisrichardson5641
    @chrisrichardson5641 Год назад +28

    I would like an old school chockstone break. Back in the day, I carried 2 stones in my chalk bag as a “just in case”. Used them once, never fell on them.

  • @Theo_El_Gato
    @Theo_El_Gato Год назад +1

    On an article that I read it says that the knot you used make the strap much weaker (1/3 of initial strength) but you can use a double pass which will double the strength.

  • @mattmonster1875
    @mattmonster1875 Год назад +2

    I don't climg. I'm a little chubby but my boy. You actually have something usefully. I feel like your saving lives. Thanks man.

  • @water-nerd
    @water-nerd Год назад

    I haven't climbed anything since I was a kid but I adore your videos. Keep up the good work 💪

  • @pstrap1311
    @pstrap1311 Год назад

    Stainless wire rope definitely can go bad depending on environmental conditions. One very significant downside of stainless steel relative to ferrous steel is that stainless is subject to crevice corrosion which occurs inside the material where you can't see it happening, as opposed to rusting from the outside in like steel does. Sometimes a stainless wire rope will look just fine but only have a fraction of it's original strength. This happens much more quickly in marine environments (salt water) but it can and will eventually be a factor pretty much everywhere.

  • @Maxey428
    @Maxey428 Год назад

    This content is great im about to binge watch this man

  • @pelley.design
    @pelley.design Год назад

    please test the extended sling!! i just bought wild country friends and i want to know if the extendable sling is a valuable feature or not lol.

  • @rodrigormotta
    @rodrigormotta Год назад +1

    can you please test it with a spliced double loop replicating the factory setup .(in extended configuration) of 6mm amstel ( hmpe that you use on your soft shackles)

  • @woodennecktie
    @woodennecktie Год назад

    doubling can make it worse , the double sling obstructs in some cases the equal dividing of the force over the amount of slingparts , so you end up with less than one straight sling strenght

  • @jaquesmerde9146
    @jaquesmerde9146 Год назад +10

    but how much weight did the cam take before it broke?

    • @JTamilio
      @JTamilio Год назад +1

      Seriously!!! Most important question!!

    • @wnwrandomm5500
      @wnwrandomm5500 Год назад

      They took 9.15 and 9.36 Kilonewtons respectively

    • @Depressed_Pigeon
      @Depressed_Pigeon Год назад +1

      ​@@wnwrandomm5500he did it a third time they wanna know the third

    • @JustaViewer2300
      @JustaViewer2300 Год назад

      If my math adds up it’s around 2,000 pounds

    • @jaquesmerde9146
      @jaquesmerde9146 Год назад

      ​@@JustaViewer2300but how many newton is that?

  • @BurchellAtTheWharf
    @BurchellAtTheWharf Год назад +2

    Yess, and do more twist make a bigger or lesser impact on kn?

  • @andyanderson2143
    @andyanderson2143 Год назад

    I want long form over shorts every time. All the rabit holes, all the "oh wow. It broke" and all the crazy qraphs lol

  • @mikkovulli
    @mikkovulli Год назад +2

    Please do make the long video about the cam slings ❤❤❤

  • @someoneelse1904
    @someoneelse1904 Год назад +2

    Yea please. I was mainly thinking a doubled up sling basket hitched, first off, but maybe also doubled and then girth hitched, since that would secure the sling to the cam. I have a variety of brands and no way to get them all re-slung so an alternative would be great! I believe clipping a quickdraw straight into the thumb on BD cams weakens the cable (sharper bend radius etc.).

  • @giacomo9763
    @giacomo9763 Год назад +1

    Why not simply clip a carabiner on the cam's loop? Without using a sling.

  • @paulgaras2606
    @paulgaras2606 Год назад +4

    Nylon Webbing with a water knot might be superior a little cumbersome perhaps but should be able to get 12kn

  • @tehrater480
    @tehrater480 Год назад

    Would love to see all of that!!

  • @XxAILASxX
    @XxAILASxX Год назад

    In rigging terms (overhead lifting) i’m not sure its bad to double up slings. Seems like they should translate pretty well. Vertical should be 100% basket should be 200% and choker should be 80%

  • @Zogg1281
    @Zogg1281 Год назад +1

    That cam disintegration was amazing to watch!!!

  • @michaelbrockway2926
    @michaelbrockway2926 Год назад

    What about a piece of cordalette looped with two barrel knots as the replacement sling?

  • @peteoneill3351
    @peteoneill3351 10 месяцев назад

    Hey, I am still using one of those cam's. How long (in years) is dynema good for?

  • @Ni_ghtmare
    @Ni_ghtmare Год назад

    Would a clove with the end loop fed through the working end not technically be better since a clove is stronger than a girth hitch?
    So clove, end loop, working loop through the end loop to basically make a girth hitch.

  • @shaunmontgomery3726
    @shaunmontgomery3726 Год назад

    Dang I was wondering about girth hitching an independent sling

  • @maxbowen6482
    @maxbowen6482 Год назад

    dmm have shared a post on their Instagram page where they did the same thing but hitched the sling onto the wire of a nut. They seem pretty confident that it would be fine so I’d have no problem doing it on a cam like this

  • @jimsmith3715
    @jimsmith3715 Год назад

    Why didn't you show the force of the final one?

  • @neilbower123
    @neilbower123 Год назад

    What you call a girth hitch, in UK we call them postman's knot & I was always told they weaken the sling; is this true i.e. should we always avoid making a knot in the sling at all?

  • @מישלאורן-פ6ד
    @מישלאורן-פ6ד Год назад

    Hi very interesting! I would really love to see what happens with dmm dragon cam or wildcountry Old version cam sling replacements with different types of 6 mm rope

  • @RenatoUtsch
    @RenatoUtsch Год назад +3

    Wait but at what strength did it finally break on?

  • @stijnvanpruissen3193
    @stijnvanpruissen3193 Год назад

    What amount of force is deadly when applied to the waist with standard equipment? " its result is X wich means that you'll die in your harness before you'll die on the ground." Would be a very useful conclusion when testing gear.

    • @techheck3358
      @techheck3358 Год назад

      It doesn’t matter that much in climbing, since rope is stretchy

  • @Joeameturexpert
    @Joeameturexpert Год назад

    Can you test Amazon soft shackles?

  • @mikel1425
    @mikel1425 Год назад

    Can I just clip an alpine draw directly to the thumb loop? I always clip to the sling but not sure why

  • @NaturesUrbanPeace
    @NaturesUrbanPeace Год назад

    What was the force rating when the Cam finally failed?

  • @jacobh2629
    @jacobh2629 Год назад

    Can you please add standard conversions for simplicity for myself and fellow Americans lol

  • @agentebessama
    @agentebessama Год назад

    I bought some friends a few days ago and I thought about it 😮😮 pls, make a full video

  • @bman6065
    @bman6065 Год назад +1

    Super good enough

  • @bomberpanda
    @bomberpanda Год назад

    Do I need to resling my old cams if they look ok? Is old nylon stronger than old spectra/ dynema?

  • @guillenaish
    @guillenaish Год назад

    I feel like these videos have definitely saved some broken bones

  • @FGMCI
    @FGMCI Год назад

    How do you have so much money? Please give a full tutorial lol

  • @22ayers
    @22ayers Год назад

    How do you loosen the knot if it doesn’t brake?

  • @JonSteitzer
    @JonSteitzer Год назад +1

    Yeah more cam breaks with different set ups please,

  • @macigli
    @macigli Год назад

    That reminds me that I probably need to replace all the slings in my cams...

  • @treesurgeon69
    @treesurgeon69 Год назад

    What do I do if I need to replace my slings then?

  • @jameshuntsman6046
    @jameshuntsman6046 Год назад +1

    I love all these cams, slings, draws, and climbing equipment strength tests. Now after we get all our gear super good enough let’s go climb sandstone towers.

  • @andrei-liviumocanu6379
    @andrei-liviumocanu6379 Год назад

    Yes, please explore the slings on the cams😬

  • @deapthought1156
    @deapthought1156 Год назад

    When using alpine draws with dyneema slings I've had that " weird x" and am curious what it does.

    • @jarodlojeck5150
      @jarodlojeck5150 Год назад

      It allows you to use the sling at 1/2 length or full length without the possibility of it coming off the loop.

    • @deapthought1156
      @deapthought1156 Год назад +1

      @@jarodlojeck5150 I understand the purpose. Wild country cams are slung like this .I am curious about how it may effect breaking strength of the dyneema slings on alpine/ extendable draws. Friction? Bend radius? etc

  • @jarodlojeck5150
    @jarodlojeck5150 Год назад

    Why girth hitch a sling when you can replace it with a soft shackle?

  • @NotASeriousMoose
    @NotASeriousMoose Год назад

    Not a climber, but just an engineer passing through.
    But whats up with rating not being reached in the most advantageous setting possible?!
    Would make me half every rating before setting up

    • @LoreTunderin
      @LoreTunderin Год назад

      Max rating is probably only for the first fall it absorbs, with every test degrading it somewhat. He mentioned it was an old cam as well, so who knows how many other falls it already took.

  • @laroete
    @laroete Год назад

    Put it in solid rock, it seems your bench starts moving

  • @cptkaiser1841
    @cptkaiser1841 Год назад

    So did it break at the rating? You didn't answer that.

  • @SirBobbyDuncan
    @SirBobbyDuncan Год назад

    Well there goes my emergency shoelaces

  • @JimmyD832
    @JimmyD832 Год назад

    No climbing experience just some rigging experience, choking a sling like that will reduce its capacity by 20%

  • @andreas_swissry
    @andreas_swissry Год назад

    I have cut off the 25+ year old webbing on my Wild Country friends and replaced them with thin dyneema slings.
    And don't worry, I haven't been using them for a long time...😅

  • @dustinashcraft1882
    @dustinashcraft1882 Год назад

    Wonder if mullet tape would work

  • @Glory_inthe_3rd77
    @Glory_inthe_3rd77 Год назад +1

    If there's something that has been working for climbers for multiple years and you simply insist on climbing, then I would say use whatever they were using and if the thing this man has in his hand doesn't give you confidence that can be backed up with rationality and logic, then just don't use it.

  • @wyattlehnen4087
    @wyattlehnen4087 Год назад

    Yes please! 👏🏻 😀

  • @rickychristiansen9830
    @rickychristiansen9830 Год назад

    Anytime you choke using a sling you are cutting its capacity. Look at a rigging chart for nylon slings.

  • @GeorgeCowsert
    @GeorgeCowsert Год назад

    Try these tests with wire cables or chains instead of fabric or rope. We want to see the performance of the cam, not the rope.

  • @testboga5991
    @testboga5991 Год назад

    What about cord?

  • @jackfiercetree5205
    @jackfiercetree5205 Год назад

    So, just for clarity, most falls arent much over 3kN, you want 5-7 for a margin of safety? Is that even close to accurate?

  • @bumponlog
    @bumponlog Год назад

    Why did he not include the force to break the cam at the end? wtf.

  • @WinterBoots15
    @WinterBoots15 Год назад

    Idk what i saw but it looked interesting

  • @jenkenstein3D
    @jenkenstein3D Год назад

    I use those same petzl runners and mine broke at 11500 on the dyno 😮 and only rated for 22.5kn

  • @justme5384
    @justme5384 Год назад

    You're kinda like leaving us hanging here with the last test (phun intended)

  • @Timeshifter32
    @Timeshifter32 Год назад

    You guys are damn crazy. Saw a clip of a guy way up somewhere and took a 30ft whip, i think watching the video scared me more than it did him lol

    • @bman6065
      @bman6065 Год назад +1

      30 ft is big but bigger falls often make less force.

  • @mdsoccer0568
    @mdsoccer0568 Год назад

    Dude you showed the two forces that broke the strings but never the actual clamp. Comeeee onnn!!!! Did it reach the 12 kn!?!??!?

  • @13J460
    @13J460 Год назад

    did the cam reach 12kn?!?

  • @pdalko
    @pdalko Год назад

    Good stuff

  • @mattrogers6184
    @mattrogers6184 Год назад

    Basket is much stronger than a choke. Should go basket to shackle…

  • @sprits545
    @sprits545 Год назад

    Do knot vs knot trust me

  • @MrBishop077
    @MrBishop077 Год назад +1

    rope including climbing rope and slings lose more than half of their strength when bent sharply in knots or around a Ring or Carabiner

  • @brucelownhole
    @brucelownhole Год назад

    Yes please.
    Unless you're busy.
    Wouldn't want to put you out.

  • @robhall4625
    @robhall4625 Год назад

    Uniform load method

  • @JK-de1oy
    @JK-de1oy Год назад

    Your slings will last longer if you don't choke them

  • @alessandroseverino8222
    @alessandroseverino8222 Год назад

    Point of the video unclear, just saw stuff break

  • @Eggs3847
    @Eggs3847 Год назад

    This hurts me bro 1 cam is like 80 dollars lmao it’s costs like at least 600 to get a good rack

  • @magnusqwerty
    @magnusqwerty Год назад

    Kilo Newton is written (the SI unit of kN) kN, not KN, never.

  • @rjsmx4
    @rjsmx4 Год назад

    So yes? I'm uncertain.

  • @tynumo
    @tynumo Год назад

    "its really fun unmaking gear"

  • @maxmax7550
    @maxmax7550 Год назад

    your spine says bye at 9kN

  • @kaycumjoy5692
    @kaycumjoy5692 Год назад

    Girth hitch don't evenly distribute. Gotta be a clove hitch bud.

    • @PantsR4squares.
      @PantsR4squares. Год назад

      How would you clove hitch on a cams thumb loop?

    • @kaycumjoy5692
      @kaycumjoy5692 Год назад

      @@PantsR4squares. You'd have to route the clove hitch using the working end, tie in ahalf hitch, hot knife cut to length and bartac together using apolstery thread. Clove hitch evenly distributed weight to both running and work ends, girth hitch is unevenly distributed making one side break. This is how parachute lines are sewn to ensure they don't break.

  • @Outlaw.222
    @Outlaw.222 Год назад

    What is kn

  • @retematic2351
    @retematic2351 Год назад

    Where do graph REEEEEEEEEEEE

  • @tomvana4270
    @tomvana4270 Год назад

    Why not make this stuff twice as strong as it is. Isn’t your life worth a few extra bucks?

  • @timmo971
    @timmo971 Год назад

    Just basket it.

  • @Alexander_z
    @Alexander_z Год назад

    Kn?

  • @Rhythm24inch
    @Rhythm24inch Год назад

    Yeah so super good enough right