Of the key reasons for force traveller not having a competition is that force motors has amortised the cost of manufacturing tools, dies and engine manufacturing ecosystem so much that any new player will not be able to compete with force without incurring heavy losses for a long time and as you have mentioned, the market is too small For anyone else to recover their investment
Exactly. The core reason of its popularity is the engine itself. They use same engine in every vehicle and most of them are passanger vehicles. This way you can literally go anywhere in India , any small machanic will have the knowledge about that engine.
Factory where I used to work was -30km away and company used to arrange transport by tempo traveller and Swaraj Mazda mini buses . I still remember most people preferred traveller for its smooth ride and comfort . Swaraj Mazda was with vibration but spacious ..
Our school had one Swaraj Mazda T3500 and one Tempo Traveller. I travelled for 2 yrs in Mazda and 2 in Tempo. Your words are absolutely true. Mazda was spacious, airy but loud. Tempo was crammed, but smooth and fast.
As a Good Management practice a company should not rely on a single product. Force should source some more engine options because emission norms are changing day by day and only time will tell how long they able to make changes in that old Mercedes engine.
They have the technical know-how, as they make engines and parts for both international and Indian OEMs even Tata nexon has some parts manufactured by force motors - they are leading the race running ONLY as fast as they need to.
The only company that can challenge them is Eicher. Why Eicher? Cause there the one kicking in price to performance category of loader vehicles & also very affordable. They are capable, but their interest is only in trucks, specially mid-size trucks, which has a larger market share than traveller like vehicles.
It won't be easy task for Eicher either. The popularity of that force engine is now very high , thus making it easier to get repaired other than any other vehicle.
nhi bhai market itna chota he upar se force ko koi R&D hi nhi krni padi thi sirf manufacturing cost he unke liye toh vo gaadi ko kitna bhi sasta bech skte he new mini van ke liye eitcher ko heavy R&D krni padei vo cost itne chote market se recover hi nhi hogi aur vo force jitna sasta nhi bech paynge
Good to hear Force Motors is doing well in some regard. If Force Motor was a part of Tata or Mahendra Group today then Force would have a lot of reputation in the country and abroad.
The reason why traveller is unbeatable is because of the old german reliability, as that mercedes engine developed in the 70's is one of the most realiable engines ever made!
In rural areas, Mahindra boleros and similar jeeps, tempo trax are preferred mode of transportation along with Omni which has now been replaced by eeco.
North East m Specially Assam me Traveller route m v chalti hai specially bole to APSTS (Arunachal Pradesh State Transport Services) ne to force Traveller 26 Seater ko as a route vehicle v use Kiya hai . Force Traveller is a legend ❤
Force motors should work on electric van , mini bus & car for cab with collaboration with any big auto gaint Indian or foreign so they can have niche market which they can capture than with update & better service care to customer sustain their market
most of the customers are small and they wont have money to setup charging infrastructure for charging. also it would triple the cost of van as it would require huge battery to carry so many passengers, so it is not a practical idea.
@@yoppindia not really,when the 2.6L 144hp engine can carry a huge ass 53 passenger bus then electric ones would not require huge battery Also these are businesses and cost conscious customers so they on the contrary it should be a hit because of low running and maintenance cost rather than paying for petrol or cng
@@divitkarekar5803 I disagree, if you see all the electric cars are double to three times the price of similar petrol cars. When it comes to electric vehicle motor power is not important, 144 hp motor will not be heavy or costly but a battery to cover a decent range with given load is what is important and it's going to be very heavy and costly.Considering double to three times the price, even if you consider the maintenance cost it still does not add up, it will fit only in niche cases, which does not warrant additional development cost.
Tata Winger is a rebadged version of the Renault Trafic Mk1 Phase 3 van,but fitted with Tata's own diesel four-cylinder engines.. Another reason for traveller’s success is that it replaced the already hugely successful Matador built by Bajaj Tempo (current Force Motors)
Shared transportation system is very popular in Kashmir (I'm from there) in the form of Tata Sumos and Chevy Taveras. Have seen a similar thing in Ooty with old Jeeps. Considering they're all smaller than Travellers, maybe size is the reason the sharing system doesn't work with bigger vehicles in our country, or it jumps straight to buses.
Well made and informative. But in the shared Taxi segment one major factor is state permit tax which is same for seating capacity of force traveller then 42 seater bus and 54 seater bus. Now if i will pay same tax then i will get max capacity bus.
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Same like hero splendor, what honda did for hero with its 97.2cc out dated engine carried over by hero and is still in use and gaining huge numbers. 🤣🤣🤣
Sir 2023 Models have numerous issues. Company should work on their product. Earlier models were good rather than BS6 New Models. 35k KMS chali hui gadi me gear shifting issue aa rha he n company is doing nothing.
Now the quality standards are not upto the mark. I bought Force TT 17+1 str and after just 35k kms, I am facing problems in Gear Shifting. When we reached company they said water went into the engine, That is why you are facing this problem. Many new 2023 models have numerous issues in their vehicle. With their monopoly, They have degraded their quality a lot.
India ke log public transports ke liye mini buses ka use karte hain. Yeh vans bahut chote desho mein minibuses ka hi kam karte hain. Isliye india mein iska market zada nahi hain.agar public transport mein use karte toh Ashok Leyland Eicher mahindra bhi apna van launch kar dete.
It has Mercedes engine, force was tied with Mercedes when they arrived in India...so far now that same engine and chassis has improved version provide good combination and performance...and in market there is no other options...
भाई force'motors का इंजन लाखो किमी बिना कोई मेजर मेंटेनन्स के चलता हे,, दमदार और पावरफुल होने के साथ साथ यह इंजिन भरवसेमंद भी माना जाता हे,,force cruiser लगभघ 8लाख किमी चला चुका हू,, it's best of the best engine,, very very reliable and low maintenance,,,,
I am in odisha Balangir, Service is too bad...I have two nos force traveller 32 seater. At the time of selling they promised service. Now for every small problem they are calling us to 150 km. And charging too high for small services
Rs. 5,000 crore Revenue and 220 crore PAT. This tempo market is very small indeed and dominated by Force motors. On the other hand even a company like skoda which is not in Top 6 four wheeler company in India is doing thrice the amount of revenue.
Sometime I feels that this company is so lazy that they don't wanna develop any new engine I mean how on earth a 4 seater Gurkha and 51 seater bus can have same engine
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Of the key reasons for force traveller not having a competition is that force motors has amortised the cost of manufacturing tools, dies and engine manufacturing ecosystem so much that any new player will not be able to compete with force without incurring heavy losses for a long time and as you have mentioned, the market is too small For anyone else to recover their investment
Exactly. The core reason of its popularity is the engine itself. They use same engine in every vehicle and most of them are passanger vehicles. This way you can literally go anywhere in India , any small machanic will have the knowledge about that engine.
Factory where I used to work was -30km away and company used to arrange transport by tempo traveller and Swaraj Mazda mini buses . I still remember most people preferred traveller for its smooth ride and comfort . Swaraj Mazda was with vibration but spacious ..
Our school had one Swaraj Mazda T3500 and one Tempo Traveller. I travelled for 2 yrs in Mazda and 2 in Tempo. Your words are absolutely true. Mazda was spacious, airy but loud. Tempo was crammed, but smooth and fast.
The first time I saw this vehicle is the late 1990s, it was called the Tempo Traveller which was manufactured by Bajaj Tempo back then.
As a Good Management practice a company should not rely on a single product.
Force should source some more engine options because emission norms are changing day by day and only time will tell how long they able to make changes in that old Mercedes engine.
Force motors already makes engine for Mercedes and BMW
They have the technical know-how, as they make engines and parts for both international and Indian OEMs even Tata nexon has some parts manufactured by force motors - they are leading the race running ONLY as fast as they need to.
They will definitely source new gen engines from merc or others
Force took 'dont fix it if it aint broken' to 27years and counting
Suddenly a competitor will come and all will go downhill.
@@divinewind6313not came till
@@manan3230 Its due to govt laws protecting the market, that can change at any time.
Belive me or not this vehcle is also used as a Jungle Safari vehicle here in Raipur Chhattisgarh at Nava Raipur Jungle Safari
The only company that can challenge them is Eicher. Why Eicher? Cause there the one kicking in price to performance category of loader vehicles & also very affordable. They are capable, but their interest is only in trucks, specially mid-size trucks, which has a larger market share than traveller like vehicles.
But it's for buses and trucks. Force motors makes vans like traveller and mini trucks
It won't be easy task for Eicher either. The popularity of that force engine is now very high , thus making it easier to get repaired other than any other vehicle.
nhi bhai market itna chota he upar se force ko koi R&D hi nhi krni padi thi sirf manufacturing cost he unke liye toh vo gaadi ko kitna bhi sasta bech skte he new mini van ke liye eitcher ko heavy R&D krni padei vo cost itne chote market se recover hi nhi hogi aur vo force jitna sasta nhi bech paynge
Eicher has partnership with Volvo too.
Good to hear Force Motors is doing well in some regard. If Force Motor was a part of Tata or Mahendra Group today then Force would have a lot of reputation in the country and abroad.
Force motors already supplies engine for Mercedes and BMW and already an international player
Postmortem??
@@yoppindia 🤣🤣
@@Agni03 😅😅😅
Hmmm pahle nahi socha tha .. par ab lagta hai ki poori family ke sone layak sabse achhi gaadi yahi hai.
Also, TATA launched Latest Version of Winger.
This might give more competition.
2:01 tata 407 ki yaad agayi..old mini buses in jammu and kashmir.... . tata 407✌️✌️✌️ most successful vehicle.
Verrapan ka Encounter bhi is Traveller ke ander hi huya tha...
Mercedes Benz 👏🏽👏🏽, one of the top in the business for a reason❤
The reason why traveller is unbeatable is because of the old german reliability, as that mercedes engine developed in the 70's is one of the most realiable engines ever made!
Especially old versions of travellers. Round headlight and square headlights. Its an emotion ❤
aajkal to har basic cheez ko emotion bana diya h
PeeW is emotion shinchan is emotion old bolero is emotion
@@aayushsinghal3811emotion tu hona chaiya paida hone be tu emotion he 🌚
Pity that such a good content provider is asking for subscription...THIS CONTENT IS GOLD
Did anyone remember Tata 407, it was such a platform
Tata 407 was truck cab chassis, a ladder frame one.
Another video nobody asked/waited for.. still I enjoyed watching it 😊
Traveller ko first mover advantage mili...
Sath mein robust body aur reliable engine kam price mein milna ki iske kamyabi ki raaz hai
In rural areas, Mahindra boleros and similar jeeps, tempo trax are preferred mode of transportation along with Omni which has now been replaced by eeco.
Force toofan
I bought a force car - you helped convinced me on the safety of this decision . Thank you 😅
After hearing sins joke.
I was drinking water and I spat out😅😅😅
Nice bruh!!!
North East m Specially Assam me Traveller route m v chalti hai specially bole to APSTS (Arunachal Pradesh State Transport Services) ne to force Traveller 26 Seater ko as a route vehicle v use Kiya hai . Force Traveller is a legend ❤
It is used at par with buses in hilly states j&k Himachal uttarkhand
Force motors should work on electric van , mini bus & car for cab with collaboration with any big auto gaint Indian or foreign so they can have niche market which they can capture than with update & better service care to customer sustain their market
most of the customers are small and they wont have money to setup charging infrastructure for charging. also it would triple the cost of van as it would require huge battery to carry so many passengers, so it is not a practical idea.
@@yoppindia not really,when the 2.6L 144hp engine can carry a huge ass 53 passenger bus then electric ones would not require huge battery
Also these are businesses and cost conscious customers so they on the contrary it should be a hit because of low running and maintenance cost rather than paying for petrol or cng
@@divitkarekar5803 I disagree, if you see all the electric cars are double to three times the price of similar petrol cars. When it comes to electric vehicle motor power is not important, 144 hp motor will not be heavy or costly but a battery to cover a decent range with given load is what is important and it's going to be very heavy and costly.Considering double to three times the price, even if you consider the maintenance cost it still does not add up, it will fit only in niche cases, which does not warrant additional development cost.
@@yoppindiawhere did you get this 2-3x number ? From my knowledge an electric car is only a 2-3 lacs expensive than it's petrol or diseal variants
if Jhonny sins was a van
🤣
Sprinter is big hit in North American Market as Work VAN.!!!
Tata Winger is a rebadged version of the Renault Trafic Mk1 Phase 3 van,but fitted with Tata's own diesel four-cylinder engines..
Another reason for traveller’s success is that it replaced the already hugely successful Matador built by Bajaj Tempo (current Force Motors)
Well....its good that people are preferring Indian brands now.....
Its not preference, there is no other option
When you want to kidnap 1 to 3 persons: Have an Omni
If you want to kidnap too many people or a whole family: Have a Tempo.
For urbania is really a glow up as compared to force traveller
That first ambulance 🚑 video clip 😂😂😂😂
There was a competitor other than winger. It was called Tata 407 which was a versatile vehicle as well
Force has one side monopoly in UKhand & Jimachal high villages. Insane.
Not in our area in Uttarakhand. Only Mahindra vehicles. Bolero, Maxx R.
@@lifeisbeautiful104 High Villages only. Like Sankri
omni
Nepal has named a placed after it as
Forced park ( bus park)
It is so famous in some part of Kathmandu Valley
"Forced" or force?
@@PS-ug7nm🤣, it's force park
Force park
Force motors ki factory lagti bhi 1980 ki hai. Saara kaam manually hota hai 😂. Kabhi kabhi historic museum ka feel aata hai.
This van maybe running because of blessings from the people, It saved so many lives.
Shared transportation system is very popular in Kashmir (I'm from there) in the form of Tata Sumos and Chevy Taveras. Have seen a similar thing in Ooty with old Jeeps. Considering they're all smaller than Travellers, maybe size is the reason the sharing system doesn't work with bigger vehicles in our country, or it jumps straight to buses.
Good content and very informative 👍🏻
Nice case study, the only doubt i ever had was how did they keep a 40 year old engine updated as per present emission norms ?
This prooves they are smart but no money 😂
Well made and informative. But in the shared Taxi segment one major factor is state permit tax which is same for seating capacity of force traveller then 42 seater bus and 54 seater bus. Now if i will pay same tax then i will get max capacity bus.
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Could you also explain why Force Motors doesn't have ads?
Sometimes some design are so perfect that even if u think to advance is not possible.
IT companies meh jaldi jana hain toh force traveller ki shuttle toh leni padegi . personal experience
You're amazing !!! So informative & lucid narrative !!!
Same like hero splendor, what honda did for hero with its 97.2cc out dated engine carried over by hero and is still in use and gaining huge numbers. 🤣🤣🤣
I am a dealer Force Motors and i love your in depth analysis of traveller thanks for making this video
Sir 2023 Models have numerous issues. Company should work on their product.
Earlier models were good rather than BS6 New Models.
35k KMS chali hui gadi me gear shifting issue aa rha he n company is doing nothing.
Sir please make a video on Japanese vs German Cars and also
What can Indian car Companies can
Learn from both of them.
Now the quality standards are not upto the mark. I bought Force TT 17+1 str and after just 35k kms, I am facing problems in Gear Shifting. When we reached company they said water went into the engine, That is why you are facing this problem. Many new 2023 models have numerous issues in their vehicle.
With their monopoly, They have degraded their quality a lot.
This one top I have discussed with almost 3-4 Transport owners.
Tractor mea bhi same engine use hota hai force kea
Force Motors vehicles Are used Also Funneral vans
Nobody noticed the auto getting scraped 😂
Meanwhile Omini van crying in corner
NICE BRO 😂
Omni
If tourism industry increases in the country, demand for these vans will increase.
Yep its the best❤ Years of excellence and efficiency
Nitin ji ne bola ki Diesel engine bandh hoga to ab force ka kya hoge q ki unke pas kohi engine portfolio nehi hey?
India ke log public transports ke liye mini buses ka use karte hain. Yeh vans bahut chote desho mein minibuses ka hi kam karte hain. Isliye india mein iska market zada nahi hain.agar public transport mein use karte toh Ashok Leyland Eicher mahindra bhi apna van launch kar dete.
Toofan is such a powerful vehicle I can't even comprehend it.
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It has Mercedes engine, force was tied with Mercedes when they arrived in India...so far now that same engine and chassis has improved version provide good combination and performance...and in market there is no other options...
Loved all your videos.
Keep on with the good work.
bhut achi gaddi hai yeh . engine bhi theek hai agar reliable hai toh . price bhi kitna theek rakha hai . good deal i baleave.
Even though I don't understand your language i watched whole video..if you add subtitles it will more understanding for us.
There are subtitles available. Click on CC
@@akhileshkannan8421 thanks
Monocoque chassis is great for all Terrain but Engine issues and Reliability Greatly.
Proud to be part of force team
भाई force'motors का इंजन लाखो किमी बिना कोई मेजर मेंटेनन्स के चलता हे,, दमदार और पावरफुल होने के साथ साथ यह इंजिन भरवसेमंद भी माना जाता हे,,force cruiser लगभघ 8लाख किमी चला चुका हू,, it's best of the best engine,, very very reliable and low maintenance,,,,
Can you get figures because all the ambulances I am see are based on Tata winger. Does it vary from region to region?
Traveler is best for family journey
India me station wagon segment bhi to nahi hai..
so Force Traveller is another Hindustan Ambassador except probably better because based German engineering
Mahindra ka tempo and city ride bhi hai, jise hum log mini bus jaise use karte hai ...
Aap matador bhool gaye dost😅😅😅
Force engine is BS6 supported?
Yes currently it have a bs6 version 2 engine
They progressively detune it to achieve pollution targets
I am in odisha Balangir,
Service is too bad...I have two nos force traveller 32 seater.
At the time of selling they promised service. Now for every small problem they are calling us to 150 km. And charging too high for small services
Please make a video on MATADOR
Winger aajkal pehle jitna roads pe dikhti v nhi hai
It is good as type c in all mobiles. Every where charging is available and no tension for power off.
you got such a nice way of talking
Why is Indian media ignoring local engine designers like the Interlaced delta engine?........🤔
i think you missed out on JCBL mini bus. they have good share on Pvt and school bus segment
Force Motars Best Company 💪💪💪👍👍
Force Traveller & Tata Wingger iska koi tod nahi ...
Traveller is mostly used in northeast india
The new Force van is amazing....
Rs. 5,000 crore Revenue and 220 crore PAT. This tempo market is very small indeed and dominated by Force motors. On the other hand even a company like skoda which is not in Top 6 four wheeler company in India is doing thrice the amount of revenue.
Tata Motors can convert their 407 tempo into traveller 😂
Thanks for the detailed info 👍
You forgot about its predecessor Matador and its competitor Standard.
Want a case study on BharatBenz.....
Dodge pr bhi video banoo please
Sometime I feels that this company is so lazy that they don't wanna develop any new engine
I mean how on earth a 4 seater Gurkha and 51 seater bus can have same engine
😂 I ride a Gurkha. I love that bus like feeling.
Very soon traveller demand will grow
Because India is growing drastically
Just wait and watch
Na kal koi tha
Na aaj koi koi hai
Tere yaar da ta koi competition nahi😁
I used to go school in this 😂
Baht confortable lagta tha yeh gadi long tour men