Burton is right. We should not stick with the Original JKD. Bruce Lee would not have wanted this. In Fact, Bruce Lee states: 1) Research your own experice. 2) Absorb what is useful. 3) Reject what is useless. 4) Add Spefically what is your own. Cant get any more clear than this.
first class training! loved it! I especially liked the format of the test, it ensures there are no obvious weaknesses in the fighter's game. Very neat and tidy
Good question LIATS, Training emptyhand against a skilled knife fighter ends in a very short fight! The test must be prolonged, and one way to develop a sense of distance with the knife is to knife sparring. It is a great training method that helps the emptyhand defense. If a fight moves from the clinch or ground to kickboxing range, you have kickboxing. We spar in all ranges so that there are no weak points. Aloha!
@403766 JKD is the original Mixed Martial Art. But it is not for sport. In my opinion, if you are not sparring with groin kicks, eye strikes, weaponry, and multiple opponents, it is not "JKD", it is the sport.
Notice that this is JKD UNLIMITED, not original JKD. We use "No Way As Way", which means that we use anything that helps us to become better fighters. My test is a fighting test, because that is where you find out what works and what doesn't, just as Bruce Lee advocated. Sticking to the "Original" method is adhering to "one way", which is absolutely against Bruce Lee's brilliant philosophy.
@403766 If you see JKD as a "style", then yes, the techniques are stolen, or just taken from other systems. If u see JKD as a method, system or philosophy, then the techniques are just the way. You use whatever works best in the particular situation, that is the JKD philosphy summed up. Regardless of where u have the technique from.
@silatk Glad you noticed- grappling is important, but you don't want to roll around on the street when you can stand back up. Much easier to escape from your feet!
By "pure JKD" I assume you mean just the techniques and training methods that Bruce Lee used during his lifetime. In that case, there are many people who only teach what Bruce Lee taught- but of course, that is limiting and against the actual philosophy of Bruce Lee. I will be making a Jun Fan JKD FTS program in the future- mainly Bruce Lee's techniques with some updates to make it more functional in today's environment. Enjoy your training!
Yes, you are correct. When empty handed against a weapon, you must almost always work to immobilize the weapon. But, this is usually most effective to do so in clinch range.
@dirosaga Thank you for the comment and for the suggestion. Practicing in confined areas is important, and we spend time in class working against the wall. I may put that in the test in the future. Enjoy your training!
We sometimes train against a few opponents attacking, usually more in fast sequence than all at once for safety reasons and since in a street fight people tend to take 'turns', but it is useful for developing fast reactions to several types of attacks in a short period. Not sure if it is appropriate to your format but this was an impressive demonstration!
@edistdats Street self-defense is not the same as sport MMA, but there are many benefits to be learned through the sport- especially dealing with all-out aggression. So, I utilize the best of the sports method while keeping our training geared for street self-defense.
Great question. Every JKDU instructor is required to have a working knowledge of stick and knife fighting (from Battlefield Kali) but it is nowhere as indepth as those who are training specifically in the Battlefield Kali program. I have several "specialization modules" so that a martial artist can choose to delve deeply into those areas of combat which most interest them. Thanks for asking.
@Tolerence911 The helmets allow us to go hard with small gloves, instead of resorting to large boxing gloves that are easier to block. I use this approach with UFC fighter Chris Leben, and it works very well to allow realistic sparring.
If we do not isolate the different distances, most will end up spending most of their time in the range where they are most effective. We do it all so that we are forced to discover our areas of weakness and then improve on them. The same applies to everyday life.
Sorry, I don't personally know any schools in Charlotte that train as we do. You might look into our distance learning course, which is for people in your situation. It works very, very well.
@BurtonRichardson I totally agree Richard! What is your approach to knife fighting on the street? In this video i see some guys sparr with knives. Do you train that for buildung attributes? If an attacker pull out a knife.. you pull your knife out? Aren´t most knife attacks ambushes from close range? greetings from austria
Very wise system. I have an idea that you may find helpful. I hear you saying "good distance." It may be wise to have a shorter distanced area for your test, such as an "elevator scenario" as well as attacks from chair, lying, and other areas. As you know, there will not always be distance in a street altercation. There may be walls, as well as confining objects such as desks, chairs, benches, and practiconers should be effective in these common scenarios. cheers mate! :)
@Tolerence911 It is the Macho MVP with a cage, the best helmet I have ever used. If you go to the jkdunlimited store, then click "battlefield Kali equipment" you will see it there on sale. It is a very good product.
Not bad at all, but one thing I would have to say is that was no trapping in any of the knife or sticks. It's hard but doable. You can trap the knife and the stick but obviously you have to be careful otherwise you'd get cut. (in real life that is)
I am thinking about doing your program, I've already been in Shotokan Karate, Judo, Aikido, and BJJ for about 9 years now and I want to learn some Jeet Kune Do. Does your program have mostly JKD or would I be wiser to look elsewhere for pure JKD?
I see a lot of people comment on JKD for street videos involving knife sparring tactics saying its unrealistic or un-applicable in the street. The thing they do not understand is that the knife or stick could represent anything close by you could pick up and use to defend yourself and make an escape. It could be a pencil, a wire wisk, a rolled up news paper, or anything else you can use to distract or disable your attacker. The best defense to an attacker with a knife is to run away. JKD concepts are about self defense. One should never just take part in a knife fight if they had the option to get away unless they were risking their life for others. Whoever does would be a fool and probably be badly hurt.
I don't call it JKD, I call it JKD Unlimited. No limits to what we do, only guided by what works in real fighting. If you stick to the "original" JKD, then you have limited yourself. The Chinese characters around Bruce Lee's JKD Yin Yang symbol says, "Using no way as way, having no limitation as limitation." So to limit yourself to only what Bruce Lee did is not in the spirit of Bruce Lee's philosophy.
You are the one who has been fooled into thinking that there is a magic formula for success in fighting. The main thing that most JKD people miss these days is that they do not do hard sparring. If you don't spar hard, you won't know what works for you and what doesn't work for you. Origninal JKD has almost no grappling, and they did not actually roll with resistance way back then. We now know that sparring is the key to developing useful fighting skills, and that is what JKD is all about!
@joergus I use knife vs knife sparring to build attributes and to make sure that everyone knows exactly how the knife works. For a look at our empty hand versus the knife, check out my video named Shock Knife Fight.
I love how Bruce stood for not adapting to any one "style," but instead trying to learn as much as you could, then use what works best for you. I believe he stopped teaching at one point because it was becoming too much like a "style." So many "JKD" people whine about what is or isn't JKD. That's an obvious contradiction to what Bruce stood for. So I suggest you Wolfgath go out and do some actual sparring instead of critiquing people on your computer. JKD is just a name. Get over it.
Burton is right. We should not stick with the Original JKD. Bruce Lee would not have wanted this. In Fact, Bruce Lee states:
1) Research your own experice.
2) Absorb what is useful.
3) Reject what is useless.
4) Add Spefically what is your own.
Cant get any more clear than this.
first class training! loved it!
I especially liked the format of the test, it ensures there are no obvious weaknesses in the fighter's game.
Very neat and tidy
Good question LIATS,
Training emptyhand against a skilled knife fighter ends in a very short fight! The test must be prolonged, and one way to develop a sense of distance with the knife is to knife sparring. It is a great training method that helps the emptyhand defense.
If a fight moves from the clinch or ground to kickboxing range, you have kickboxing. We spar in all ranges so that there are no weak points. Aloha!
@403766 JKD is the original Mixed Martial Art. But it is not for sport. In my opinion, if you are not sparring with groin kicks, eye strikes, weaponry, and multiple opponents, it is not "JKD", it is the sport.
Notice that this is JKD UNLIMITED, not original JKD. We use "No Way As Way", which means that we use anything that helps us to become better fighters. My test is a fighting test, because that is where you find out what works and what doesn't, just as Bruce Lee advocated. Sticking to the "Original" method is adhering to "one way", which is absolutely against Bruce Lee's brilliant philosophy.
We do train against multiple opponents too, and encourage them to "mob" the defender- but in a safe manner. Very important! Thanks for posting.
@403766 If you see JKD as a "style", then yes, the techniques are stolen, or just taken from other systems. If u see JKD as a method, system or philosophy, then the techniques are just the way. You use whatever works best in the particular situation, that is the JKD philosphy summed up. Regardless of where u have the technique from.
@silatk Glad you noticed- grappling is important, but you don't want to roll around on the street when you can stand back up. Much easier to escape from your feet!
By "pure JKD" I assume you mean just the techniques and training methods that Bruce Lee used during his lifetime. In that case, there are many people who only teach what Bruce Lee taught- but of course, that is limiting and against the actual philosophy of Bruce Lee.
I will be making a Jun Fan JKD FTS program in the future- mainly Bruce Lee's techniques with some updates to make it more functional in today's environment. Enjoy your training!
Yes, you are correct. When empty handed against a weapon, you must almost always work to immobilize the weapon. But, this is usually most effective to do so in clinch range.
@dirosaga Thank you for the comment and for the suggestion. Practicing in confined areas is important, and we spend time in class working against the wall. I may put that in the test in the future. Enjoy your training!
Clinch, knees, and takedowns equals TKD. Very interesting. :)
We sometimes train against a few opponents attacking, usually more in fast sequence than all at once for safety reasons and since in a street fight people tend to take 'turns', but it is useful for developing fast reactions to several types of attacks in a short period. Not sure if it is appropriate to your format but this was an impressive demonstration!
Thats JKD! Bruce Lee would love you guys! :-)
@edistdats Street self-defense is not the same as sport MMA, but there are many benefits to be learned through the sport- especially dealing with all-out aggression. So, I utilize the best of the sports method while keeping our training geared for street self-defense.
I like the fact that in this video you don't encourage to continue a grappling match.
Great question. Every JKDU instructor is required to have a working knowledge of stick and knife fighting (from Battlefield Kali) but it is nowhere as indepth as those who are training specifically in the Battlefield Kali program. I have several "specialization modules" so that a martial artist can choose to delve deeply into those areas of combat which most interest them. Thanks for asking.
@Tolerence911 The helmets allow us to go hard with small gloves, instead of resorting to large boxing gloves that are easier to block. I use this approach with UFC fighter Chris Leben, and it works very well to allow realistic sparring.
If we do not isolate the different distances, most will end up spending most of their time in the range where they are most effective. We do it all so that we are forced to discover our areas of weakness and then improve on them. The same applies to everyday life.
Good striking
Thanks Dan!
Excellent!
That's Jarlo Ilano. He is an amazing all-around fighter.
Sorry, I don't personally know any schools in Charlotte that train as we do. You might look into our distance learning course, which is for people in your situation. It works very, very well.
@BurtonRichardson
I totally agree Richard! What is your approach to knife fighting on the street? In this video i see some guys sparr with knives. Do you train that for buildung attributes? If an attacker pull out a knife.. you pull your knife out? Aren´t most knife attacks ambushes from close range? greetings from austria
Very wise system. I have an idea that you may find helpful. I hear you saying "good distance." It may be wise to have a shorter distanced area for your test, such as an "elevator scenario" as well as attacks from chair, lying, and other areas. As you know, there will not always be distance in a street altercation. There may be walls, as well as confining objects such as desks, chairs, benches, and practiconers should be effective in these common scenarios. cheers mate! :)
@mark1983peace I have since added in empty hand vs the knife and against the stick. The last round is now more of a wild street attack too. Thanks
@Tolerence911 It is the Macho MVP with a cage, the best helmet I have ever used. If you go to the jkdunlimited store, then click "battlefield Kali equipment" you will see it there on sale. It is a very good product.
@BurtonRichardson what are they called? I'm very interested
@JBOPatrick Well put. That is exactly right.
what are they using to spar? I've never seen people spar with mma gloves on. the helmets Ive never seen before
Yes, he passed!
Not bad at all, but one thing I would have to say is that was no trapping in any of the knife or sticks. It's hard but doable. You can trap the knife and the stick but obviously you have to be careful otherwise you'd get cut. (in real life that is)
I am thinking about doing your program, I've already been in Shotokan Karate, Judo, Aikido, and BJJ for about 9 years now and I want to learn some Jeet Kune Do. Does your program have mostly JKD or would I be wiser to look elsewhere for pure JKD?
I see a lot of people comment on JKD for street videos involving knife sparring tactics saying its unrealistic or un-applicable in the street. The thing they do not understand is that the knife or stick could represent anything close by you could pick up and use to defend yourself and make an escape. It could be a pencil, a wire wisk, a rolled up news paper, or anything else you can use to distract or disable your attacker. The best defense to an attacker with a knife is to run away. JKD concepts are about self defense. One should never just take part in a knife fight if they had the option to get away unless they were risking their life for others. Whoever does would be a fool and probably be badly hurt.
*****
Yes, we want to be prepared for anything through complete training and sparring!
I don't call it JKD, I call it JKD Unlimited. No limits to what we do, only guided by what works in real fighting. If you stick to the "original" JKD, then you have limited yourself. The Chinese characters around Bruce Lee's JKD Yin Yang symbol says, "Using no way as way, having no limitation as limitation." So to limit yourself to only what Bruce Lee did is not in the spirit of Bruce Lee's philosophy.
You are the one who has been fooled into thinking that there is a magic formula for success in fighting. The main thing that most JKD people miss these days is that they do not do hard sparring. If you don't spar hard, you won't know what works for you and what doesn't work for you. Origninal JKD has almost no grappling, and they did not actually roll with resistance way back then. We now know that sparring is the key to developing useful fighting skills, and that is what JKD is all about!
@joergus I use knife vs knife sparring to build attributes and to make sure that everyone knows exactly how the knife works. For a look at our empty hand versus the knife, check out my video named Shock Knife Fight.
I love how Bruce stood for not adapting to any one "style," but instead trying to learn as much as you could, then use what works best for you. I believe he stopped teaching at one point because it was becoming too much like a "style." So many "JKD" people whine about what is or isn't JKD. That's an obvious contradiction to what Bruce stood for.
So I suggest you Wolfgath go out and do some actual sparring instead of critiquing people on your computer. JKD is just a name. Get over it.
@64jotaro64 Non, JKD e libero. La guardia depende sul individuale.
That end fight looked like TKD...I saw no JKD in it.