The later sv sets chase cards (except greninja) are only the most expensive in their respective sets because they are either in tier one decks and people want them to play/bling out their deck or they are in EVERY deck (fezandipity ex) and the demand for them is huge
While there's a nice argument from what you said, I think there's a flaw in the argument with "future/past" pokemons. Raging bolt is basically Raikou, which is gen 2. Roaring moon is basically Salamance which is gen 3. Both pokemon have been popular always so it's almost natural that their alternate forms are popular as well (they are cool on their own), also those are highly playable cards so it's natural they remain expensive in this rotation (similar to terrapagos). The most expensive pokemons in IR, are Groudon, Magikarp, Ttar, etc. All of them scattered between gen 1-4 so while you are right about maybe chase cards not being the always popular pokemon there's still a heavy reliance on older gens.
I gotta say, scarlet violet cards are cleaner looking, even with the crowns. Some cards in SWSH could have looked so much better with the rapid strike and fusion strike removed
Totally! They have captured the entirety of the franchise it feels like, or at least the pokemon we most remember. I believe most of the sets in the generation will be worthwhile.
The constant focus on charizard chase cards was getting a bit tiring for me, frankly. It felt like Nintendo was getting lazy, with some exceptions where I found the artwork really refreshing (e.g. 151).
This is a great take! I think that we will be getting more Gen 1-4 nostalgia Pokemon in the later SV sets. This has allowed the latest generations of Pokemon to have some of the spotlight.
Something that seems to be going under the radar with S&V is the number of cards that have other pokemon in them as background characters... that will not diminish their appeal.
Prior to this video, I never thought ancient and future Pokemon were GEN nine. I just thought it was a theme. These are very valid points and I think people don’t realize the power of nostalgia.
I agree with earlier comments, I think collectors have no choice but to chase the new pokemon because there are no early gen big hitters, collectors want to chase something and other than 151 there isnt any early gen big hitters. If the new sets that come out have older gen pokemon as big hitters then I would bet things will change and at the end of SV era, the top 4 will not be the current top 4 and also willing to bet they will be older gen pokemon.
He's back! It's definitely a good sign that more new Pokemon are breaking through. It's interesting that both Pokemon and MTG seem to be drawing in a lot of new players and collectors at the moment. Not that I'm a big MTG guy but I'm up to date with it because of Rudy. 😂 It seems strange to me that collectibles are doing so well when the world is in economic turmoil. Mind you I suppose opening a couple of booster packs is cheaper than buying a PS5 so maybe it's an affordable hobby for kids. 🤔 Sorry, went on a ramble there. 😅
I think there are a couple of things you aren’t taking into account with your thesis. I think the fact Pokemon Co is pushing more and more newer Generations into the main SIR spots, also lends to this current trend. But the reality is, early Generations is still winning even then - not just with the Magikarp, but even the Eevee IR in TM being higher than some SIRs of newer Gens, same with Groudon IR in PR as well as the Tyranitar and Raichu IRs in PE. And look at SV base, two of top 4 cards are Gen 3 Pokemon with one of the cards being an IR (while SIR of Great Tusk is the same price as a pack of cards). Also, some of the top cards you pointed out are in fact reimagined Pokemon from earlier Generations - Roaring Moon is in line with a Salamence, from Gen 3, and Raging Bolt is obviously Raikou from Gen 2. I think early Gen is still king in the collecting space, even as Pokemon is trying to push collectors toward the newer Generations.
That was my argument, that the first generations will always hold a chase card premium, it's just nice to see a new green get some love! And who knows, could be popular down the track!
I would challenge calling any of the oaradox pokemon gen 9, because yeah they came out now, but their appeal comes from them being rehashes of older gen pokemon. Both the paradox mons you ised are gen 2 and 3 riffs. Nostalgia still got a choke hold on the collecting game
That’s because there is no old gen chase cards in those sets. Of course they are going to be the chase cards when there’s only new gen Pokemon as the top hits. It’s also not even true SV: Gardivoir (gen 3) PE: Magikarp (gen 1) OF: Charizard (gen 1) 151: Charizard (gen 1) PR: Groudon (gen 3) PF: Charizard (gen 1) The last few sets don’t have old gen Pokemon as the top rarity and the IR cards will likely challenge the top hit in the sets currently down the road, similar to the front half of SV block. Don’t think it’s indicative of any new trend of mindset shift for hobbyists.
You lost me. You continue to point out every previous season the sets doing well are typically gen 1-3 leads. This time we are seeing a gen 6 lead do the best. I dont think people honestly care which generation. But I disagree the 10 year olds playing scarlet and violet are going to have little to no impact on tcg for atleast 8-10 years. S&V base, obsidian flames, 151, paradox rift, temporal forces and shrouded fable all busts. Most have similarities to S&S. To early to tell about stellar crowns and surging sparks, however I think stellar crown singles will crash when master sets start getting completed. Only 1 of the sets are going to be similar to evolving skies or team up. I’d like to point out the boom recently in china for Pokémon. Pokémon has been banned for a long time in china and slowly gaining a lot of popularity combined with their growing economy. I’m sure the nostalgia for them will be these later generations, and we will start seeing less of our gen 1-3 leads
The 4-runner is the most popular in the USA as far as SUVs. Tacoma for trucks, camry for sedans. Pokemon: people who grew up on Gen 3 are like mid twenties, making money, jus sayin.
S&V has some decent artwork but the chase cards are not even close to S&S chases, these are not fan favorite pokemon. The greninja from TM is the most overrated card in years.
@kobebetty dad's and sons. I went to alot of car shows when I was a kid, that doesn't mean I liked cars, my dad did. Dad's just take kids places they think they will like
And with the launch of Stellar Crown, don't forget about Terapagos, another gen ix, being a top chase card!
I think its amazing that an unexpected pokemon can be the chase card it makes the hobby more fun
Agree man!
The later sv sets chase cards (except greninja) are only the most expensive in their respective sets because they are either in tier one decks and people want them to play/bling out their deck or they are in EVERY deck (fezandipity ex) and the demand for them is huge
While there's a nice argument from what you said, I think there's a flaw in the argument with "future/past" pokemons. Raging bolt is basically Raikou, which is gen 2. Roaring moon is basically Salamance which is gen 3. Both pokemon have been popular always so it's almost natural that their alternate forms are popular as well (they are cool on their own), also those are highly playable cards so it's natural they remain expensive in this rotation (similar to terrapagos).
The most expensive pokemons in IR, are Groudon, Magikarp, Ttar, etc. All of them scattered between gen 1-4 so while you are right about maybe chase cards not being the always popular pokemon there's still a heavy reliance on older gens.
That's been my argument all along for S&V that the first gens will always hold a price premium but it's cool to see some gen 9s get some air time!
I gotta say, scarlet violet cards are cleaner looking, even with the crowns. Some cards in SWSH could have looked so much better with the rapid strike and fusion strike removed
The crowns have kind of grown on me. One of those things where on some Pokemon it looks really cool but on some it looks really silly.
The tables are turning towards S&V a bit hey!
i agree. I also prefer the basic V pokemon to the V Max because they have a cleaner look.
Totally! They have captured the entirety of the franchise it feels like, or at least the pokemon we most remember. I believe most of the sets in the generation will be worthwhile.
A new PokeOz video with my sunday morning coffee is my type of sunday morning. Thanks !
Hope you enjoy!
The constant focus on charizard chase cards was getting a bit tiring for me, frankly. It felt like Nintendo was getting lazy, with some exceptions where I found the artwork really refreshing (e.g. 151).
It's almost like the entire premise of the SV games is Past and Future 🤯
This is a great take! I think that we will be getting more Gen 1-4 nostalgia Pokemon in the later SV sets. This has allowed the latest generations of Pokemon to have some of the spotlight.
I reckon that'll be the case as well!
Something that seems to be going under the radar with S&V is the number of cards that have other pokemon in them as background characters... that will not diminish their appeal.
Definitely!
I will say that playing the scarlet and violets games has made me appreciate the paradox Pokémon cards a lot more lol. Great content! 🔥🔥
Glad you enjoyed!
Sword and Shield is still Peak currently‼️💯💥🔥
Prior to this video, I never thought ancient and future Pokemon were GEN nine. I just thought it was a theme. These are very valid points and I think people don’t realize the power of nostalgia.
That's it man!
You’re overlooking one key point about temporal forces / paradox / and shrouded SIR’s
Bro I get so excited when I see another video drop
Legend!
I agree with earlier comments, I think collectors have no choice but to chase the new pokemon because there are no early gen big hitters, collectors want to chase something and other than 151 there isnt any early gen big hitters. If the new sets that come out have older gen pokemon as big hitters then I would bet things will change and at the end of SV era, the top 4 will not be the current top 4 and also willing to bet they will be older gen pokemon.
Love your videos bro!
I appreciate that!
He's back! It's definitely a good sign that more new Pokemon are breaking through. It's interesting that both Pokemon and MTG seem to be drawing in a lot of new players and collectors at the moment. Not that I'm a big MTG guy but I'm up to date with it because of Rudy. 😂 It seems strange to me that collectibles are doing so well when the world is in economic turmoil. Mind you I suppose opening a couple of booster packs is cheaper than buying a PS5 so maybe it's an affordable hobby for kids. 🤔
Sorry, went on a ramble there. 😅
I'm back! 😅
@@pokeoz91 Blimey, that was a quick response. 😂
When the world economy is bad, new fads arent born so we gravitate to the old ones
@@ESP-Collectibles That explains a lot.
I swear you’re the man. 🙌🏼 cheers brother
Thanks legend!
I believe gen 9 pokemon will stand out just as much as the first 4 gens in the future. These are the coolest cards we ever got.
That's it man!
Roaring Moon is a Gen 3 adaptation lol
I really wish they’d throw so much money to create a truly new great set of Pokemon. I still love the early generations.
Been liking Shiny thus far, very fast data pulls
Awesome!
I think there are a couple of things you aren’t taking into account with your thesis. I think the fact Pokemon Co is pushing more and more newer Generations into the main SIR spots, also lends to this current trend. But the reality is, early Generations is still winning even then - not just with the Magikarp, but even the Eevee IR in TM being higher than some SIRs of newer Gens, same with Groudon IR in PR as well as the Tyranitar and Raichu IRs in PE. And look at SV base, two of top 4 cards are Gen 3 Pokemon with one of the cards being an IR (while SIR of Great Tusk is the same price as a pack of cards). Also, some of the top cards you pointed out are in fact reimagined Pokemon from earlier Generations - Roaring Moon is in line with a Salamence, from Gen 3, and Raging Bolt is obviously Raikou from Gen 2. I think early Gen is still king in the collecting space, even as Pokemon is trying to push collectors toward the newer Generations.
That was my argument, that the first generations will always hold a chase card premium, it's just nice to see a new green get some love! And who knows, could be popular down the track!
The thumb nail king
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its great marketing from pokemon ! I hope they keep this up!
I would challenge calling any of the oaradox pokemon gen 9, because yeah they came out now, but their appeal comes from them being rehashes of older gen pokemon. Both the paradox mons you ised are gen 2 and 3 riffs. Nostalgia still got a choke hold on the collecting game
For sure!
Also all the top cards of Cosmic Eclipse are all gen 4+
Shows that these gen 9 chases could be gold in the future!
I pulled the greninja and I want to pull it again it looks really sick
So nice!
Love how sword and shield artwork is being overlooked by SV ..can’t wait for the big boom for swsh 😂
the "big boom" has already come & gone sadly
@@lurkinloooowry For the singles probably but I suspect the boxes still have legs.
@@lurkinloooowry true
that was the last chance to sell swsh and we fell for it. zero is next
@@kingslayya6876 Zero? No chance. Expecting the alt arts to drop more though.
That’s because there is no old gen chase cards in those sets. Of course they are going to be the chase cards when there’s only new gen Pokemon as the top hits.
It’s also not even true
SV: Gardivoir (gen 3)
PE: Magikarp (gen 1)
OF: Charizard (gen 1)
151: Charizard (gen 1)
PR: Groudon (gen 3)
PF: Charizard (gen 1)
The last few sets don’t have old gen Pokemon as the top rarity and the IR cards will likely challenge the top hit in the sets currently down the road, similar to the front half of SV block. Don’t think it’s indicative of any new trend of mindset shift for hobbyists.
That was my argument, that original gens will always hold a chase card premium, is just nice to see some gen 9s get some air time as chase cards!
Has anyone got a pokemon tcg au discord? Im looking for one to discuss releases, retail restocks etc.. thanks!
You lost me. You continue to point out every previous season the sets doing well are typically gen 1-3 leads. This time we are seeing a gen 6 lead do the best. I dont think people honestly care which generation. But I disagree the 10 year olds playing scarlet and violet are going to have little to no impact on tcg for atleast 8-10 years. S&V base, obsidian flames, 151, paradox rift, temporal forces and shrouded fable all busts. Most have similarities to S&S. To early to tell about stellar crowns and surging sparks, however I think stellar crown singles will crash when master sets start getting completed. Only 1 of the sets are going to be similar to evolving skies or team up.
I’d like to point out the boom recently in china for Pokémon. Pokémon has been banned for a long time in china and slowly gaining a lot of popularity combined with their growing economy. I’m sure the nostalgia for them will be these later generations, and we will start seeing less of our gen 1-3 leads
The 4-runner is the most popular in the USA as far as SUVs. Tacoma for trucks, camry for sedans. Pokemon: people who grew up on Gen 3 are like mid twenties, making money, jus sayin.
Wish we had a 4 runner here!
@@pokeoz91 They are really nice. I have a corrola hatch back. It's cute and reliable.
What you’re saying is every generation has a specific Pokémon and the value is going to go up in every generation??? 11:38
Just that gen 9 will eventually be nostalgiac for a certain group of people 👌
@@pokeoz91 ooo ok 👌 got u now
S&V has some decent artwork but the chase cards are not even close to S&S chases, these are not fan favorite pokemon. The greninja from TM is the most overrated card in years.
I didn't realize your forehead was from generation five...
Haha what?? 😅
You could drive a Toyota 4 Runner on your five head.
Hay mate fellow pokemon utuber from aus just emailed you thanks
Saw that, thanks legend!
Also, I swear I don’t understand that Greninja… lol but whatever
Not quite impressed with S&V myself as a whole, just seems quite weak in comparison to all Gen's.
Do we know that children are playing the tcg? I didn't when I was a kid lol, do kids collect cards at all now?
Dude I see so many Dads and Sons at card shows and I go to 2 to 3 card shows a month.
@kobebetty dad's and sons.
I went to alot of car shows when I was a kid, that doesn't mean I liked cars, my dad did.
Dad's just take kids places they think they will like
@floppy3962 the kids are the ones asking for trades or how much cards are worth you'll be ight beta
@@kobebetty What is it with you and calling people betas? 😂
@@monkey39128 dude always trolling !