Things I learned about Fish today: -He let a take on a video game weapon live in his head rent free for years -He thinks the holiday punch isn't worth taking seriously (it really is lmao) -He's a fan of the Komitet Gosudarstvennoy Bezopasnosti
I get why, the Holiday punch at a fundamental level goes aggaist everything normal heavy is about. However the reward of stopping ubers is so good I would consider it. Personally, I think the Holiday punch is Heavys worst good melee.
@@Neonlight3934what a good way to phrase it Yeah its basically a backstab that can trigger randomly even on face punches that can stun enemies instead of kill them, but works even through uber as long as the enemy is touching the ground, and not actively taunting already. The main downside is that you arent the spy or scout who has mobility doing these stun backstabs, you are the slowest class in the game, making it difficult to get yourself in such a position and actually do something useful past that one moment instead of just dying. You get to send one, maybe two important enemies into a laughing fit for like 5 seconds ish, then you die because youre way too far ahead of your now pushed back team, instead of using the gru or fists of steel and just getting back to your new front lines, or just playing pyro and airblast the uber back 13 miles
@@mariustan9275 i guess because without it the eviction notice will be a direct upgrade(in terms of util). but i mean.. the notice only got a 15% while the gru is at 30% speed or maybe valve dosent want the mindless "i do this to go to mid" design that could possibly happen to movement enhancing heavy items
Its an oxymoron, the EN encourages you to hit enemies to become faster but it also discourages you to engage by draining your hp,its like the equalizer.
The GRU heavies in MvM still have the mark for death while active because they actually use a separate version of the GRU that still has the pre-Jungle Inferno stats. It's literally just called "Gloves of Running Urgently MvM" in the item schema.
If you go in the Mann Co Catalog and go to the end or the list for Heavy items, you can find them there - they literally just made a copy of the old one and kept it for mvm only, I guess similar to how the deflector minigun works
Fun fact, the localizations I am aware of always try to preserve the acronym GRU. In my italian for example they're called Guanti della Radicale Urgenza (Gloves of Radical Urgency)
In Polish it was translated as Gorące Rękawice Uciekiniera (Escapee's Hot Gloves) and KGB was translated to Krytyczne Grzmoty Bokserskie (Critical Boxing Thunders).
@@szymonwilczynski6870 oh right, the KGB 🤣 issue is that the italian words don't have JKWXY letters, so they translated the KGB as "Ke Guantoni da Boxe!" (Such Boxing Gloves! which should be written "Che Guantoni da Boxe", same pronunciation)
In spanish the GRU are the "Guantes de Rapidez Ultraterrena" (Gloves of Ultraterrestrial Rapidity), and the KGB are the "Kañoreros Guantes de Boxeo", the literal translation is "Gunners Boxing Gloves" but 'kañon', actually 'cañón', is an idiom for 'cool', so it'd be "Kool Gloves of Boxing"
It breaks my heart that Finnish just doesn't have words that fit both the weapon and what it does. The problem starts with G, as the language has very little usage of the letter, let alone as the first letter of a word. We may be able to stretch it a little, to use gorilla somehow. Strong animal, guess it fits heavy somehow? Then we get to R. It's quite a lot easier, as we can use either reipas, which means brisk, or we can use rukkaset, which is one word for gloves. But U gives trouble again. Because of Finnish grammar rules, we have to come up with a word for gloves that start with U, or break the rules entirely which makes the name awkward Best I can reall think of would be Gorillan Reippaat Rukkaset, but that would make the acronym GRR.
Wow. That _is_ a garbage take from Zesty. Not just "the GRU are mid," but somehow *_STOCK_* is better than them?!? And the pain over the Eviction Notice is so real.
Technically it is better, it has taunt kill and the only bad thing is that it doesn't give a bonus, the GRU made a sandman but it's not that bad. Besides, Fish says that the huntsman is more broken than the rifle xdd
@@zapadap1328Same here, though I watched TF2 videos for YEARS before I ever gave it a go. Why I took so long idk, but I witnessed the entire meat your match debacle from the sidelines and went "eh, looks fun"
I like Gru (at least in the first despicable me) I thought he was a fun protagonist who goes through a really good character arc where he puts aside his villainy to form a genuine relationship and family with the girls. And also he’s pretty funny
I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought Zesty Jesus's Ranking for the Gru wasn't a bit uncalled for and lived rent free in my head too for years even after years of not even engaging in TF2 content for a year
Some of his rankings were really questionable but I think most of them were actually really agreeable, especially for weapons most people think aren’t that good. It’s also been 3 years, though.
Same I like his content overall but that video pissed me off just for that I know it’s immature but I love the gru so from then on I just didn’t take any opinion on heavy he had seriously
Glad to see someone with a platform finally has pointed out the genius that is the modern GRU. I've thought it was peak game design since day 1 for the exact power/bulk/speed you mentioned. Biggest bummer is how the gru's existence made the devs remove the chocolate bar's overhead mechanic
@@Clown_the_Clown You're assmad over the change and haven't learned them. Retreating at 100% speed with no significant downside is one of the biggest survivability tools available to heavy. Plus the dodging, hunting, flanking especially with a medic. But all this was explained in the video so you probably just want to stay mad at the stats without actually learning how to use them.
Eh. Pyro is a short ranged class with minimal burst damage. Letting him get around outside of combat a little faster is fine. And it does come with a tangible downside if you use it to gapclose, which Pyro actually might have wanted to do, at least more than Heavy.
health drain is technically just as bad as minicrit damage I say technically only because using it willy nilly makes you incredibly vulnerable. When you want to go fast, you pull out the gru but switch back 3/4ths of the way into the journey. This ensures you aren't caught with 100 health
Just a note about using the G.R.U to gain distance: During or before a stock uber, using it to not only give yourself but also your medic the speed boost allows you to just close the distance that much more to take full advantage of a stock uber.
11:09 I feel like it was a fun thing that two of Heavy's first melee unlocks were named after Soviet/Russian intelligence agencies in the GRU and KGB. Though I feel like naming a weapon with the acronym NKVD and/or FSB is a little tasteless nowadays and a bit harder to not have it feel contrived.
If Ubisoft made TF2 instead of Valve, you just know they'd have added a melee weapon that deals mini-crits for 20 seconds after taking minicrit/critical damage, and called it the Fists of Striking Back.
@@whitemouse2460 yes, I mean exactly that. Cause those acronyms aren't reminders of the current political climate like they are now but funny nods to history...even if that history wasn't pleasant.
@@randomguyblank1616if you get uncomfortable because a weapon has a reference to the modern Russian institutions please never make games, I don’t want you taking the funny out of it, thank you.
The reasoning at the time why the eviction notice deserved a nerf was while slower many heavys preferred it over the Gru. The minicrit de buff on the Gru was a death sentence if you got caught unaware. Last comp players hated the idea the heavy could fight and have impact in the mid fight so complained to valve to have both weapons nerfed into the ground.
My favorite part of the Chocolate is that eating takes up like a third of the recharge time. You can dispense that candy like... like candy. Great for keeping teammates extinguished if there's Scorch-happy Pyro sniping at us. So I like to use it more on Defense. But with the GRU, you're able to get a bit of defensive utility and rollout consistency.
Yeah Zesty's take on it was max cap. Bro just kinda admitted he doesn't know how to use them proper. If you're dying on rollout because of the GRU, that's on you for not taking better notice of the game state around you and holding them out for too long as a result. Always put them away a little earlier than you think when approaching the front and you'll be fine. Even if you're a little squishy by then, it's usually okay to just pause for a little but to regenerate. As much as I know you want to hear hitsounds as soon and as often as possible, you can stand to wait around for just a moment before jump revving around that corner. As a medic player, I know all too well how some (read, a lot of) players just can't be patient for a second or two only for it to bite them in the ass mere seconds later because they desperately need to chase that dopamine. But yeah, in literally every other instance besides rollout, the new GRU are just an objective upgrade from what they used to be.
I think the two unsung upsides of the Jungle Inferno changes are the lack of noticeable downside when at low health and running away (as mentioned at 7:48), since you'll likely take as long to heal up as your health will to fill up anyway, and the fact that you can make quick positioning changes in wide-open spaces without fear of negating enemies' damage falloff Also, it feels good to see a "I disagree with you" take regarding Zesty's opinions for once, rather than a shitfit tirade about him as a person
Yeah feels nice to have an actual disagreement and is coming from someone that don't about half of Zesty's opinions (Mainly his inconsistent cosmetics opinions and random spread discussion)
THANK YOU. I've heard the arguments about the GRU changes, but I've always found them to be a welcome change. I wouldn't call the rebalance a nerf either, since the GRU is now significantly better at retreating without having to worry about a cross-map mini-crit. It's worse for rolling out, sure. But in Casual when there's going to be an Engineer most of the time, you don't need to roll out after the first time and it's a buff in most other cases. I've been using this version of the GRU since the change and I'm going to keep enjoying it.
GRU + Dahlokas bar is my GO_TO loadout. so busted. i love getting there fast and instantly being back at 320 hp and regenerating back to 350 over a few seconds. its so good
I have a bone to pick with the KGB. While in casual random crits on it are balanced by being a weapon of last resort, in medieval mode, it makes the weapon legitimately busted. You are be rewarded with more crits for rolling random crits, on your PRIMARY weapon. Honestly, I think either random crits need to be disabled in medieval mode or the KGB (and the skullcutter too), need random crits disabled.
no to both. heavy is the slowest class, and the kgb makes his dps slower too. other classes can easily just bait swings out and easily punish him. let heavy keep random crits, he's the strongest merc in-lore, he should be able to sometimes knock your block off. the ubersaw, meanwhile...
That last part about the Eviction Notice got me thinking, what if it inflicted bleed for 8 seconds on hit? I know that may sound oppressive so I suggest we also nerf its damage considerably, remove the speed bonus and increase the health drain's effect. I think this would be a net buff as it would allow Heavy to quickly kill a Spy that is in front of him which he previously could not do before
It's pretty useless on Pyro, they gave it to him because the weapon did mini-crits to enemies in the air, the only consistent way to elevate enemies he has is with airblast but that doesn't work anymore
With heavy being the anchor of his team, it only makes sense to run the dalokohs over everything because you are able to stay in the fight longer for multiple reasons, 1. you probably are over healed already from eating it, 2. the recharge rate allows you to throw out the lunchbox more often, especially allowing you to keep your medic alive against aggressive teams and pyros, 3. as you mentioned here the heal rate you get from switching from the gru and eating the sandvich, allow you to heal up while the speed will allow you to keep up with the rest of your team. works with or without a medic
I love FSoaS feeling awkward about saying he's a fan of the KGB while the whole ass video is titled "In Defense of the GRU", another soviet intelligence agency
Oh god, I was there for that Zesty Stream. I remember that he *replied* to me saying "My question is why they nerfed the Eviction Notice the exact same way" (which can be seen at 1:29). I didn't agree with his placement then, and I still don't.
@@szatid2645 I don't disagree with you, they're terrible even without Considering that. I just want to know _Why did Valve see a weapon that was objectively Terrible and think "Yeah, that needs a nerf."_ Actually... now that I think about it, they've done that before.
I disagree with him there too. I mean, you can't agree with everything anyone ever says usually, and while I generally like Zesty Jesus that was just a take I was flabbergasted by
@@mariustan9275 Zesty himself made it pretty clear that he's not all that good at the game, nor is he particularly interested in getting good. So I don't know why people would take his gameplay opinions seriously. The fine details of TF2's balance aren't his area of expertise.
The main issue with the GRU is that, it's either that, or the fists of steel. Because mainly, who the hell with any braincell is gonna allow Heavy to melee them? He's the slowest class, just turn around and run away, and Heavy's melee is now useless. It's not the other melee weapons are bad per say. Like the KGB are notably pretty good on paper. But the issue remains that unless you're doing a gimmick tactic with the buffalo steak... Almost nobody is going to try and enter melee range of a Heavy if they don't have a dying wish. And if they do, you minigun shreds them anyway. It's kinda like people going in melee range of a Pyro. Even scout doesn't have to do that, and he's the only class that has the mobility to go in and out of that range without taking too much damage. And again it's not even necessary.
If you put the GRU away very early you can effectively get a minor speed boost for free. Not a great speed boost but still getting to the front faster than stock.
Hillarious how the utility meelee is better at fighting people then the actual meelees that are supposed to do the same thing (eviction notice and warrior spirit)
I generally use the FoS more than the GRU, but they definitely have a lot of power if you are smart about them. My brain just shuts off when I'm playing heavy
I never made the connection that the GRU only drains max health so you can use it for much less cost when at low health, that makes it so much more useful
Wait people actually think the GRU is bad since the rework? Just because it's not as insanely good as it used to be and you have to actually play around the downside now? People are wild man.
Wait, what? Do you need to defend the GRU? I thought everyone was in agreement that it was good? Oh... Zesty Jesus said it. Okay. Why do we take him seriously?
@@morgboat744 He really is, but on the other hand, the things he's done for this community, while easily replaceable and easy to do by someone who is probably loads more qualified than him at explaining everything he specializes in, has a unique attitude about things that I believe should keep us all way more humble. His dumbassery and bold statements help to remind us that not every TF2 player is a smart person, heck, I doubt anyone of TF2ubers genuinely knows 100% of the time what they're talking about.
Before the update, it would not crit AT ALL. Kritzkreiging the cow mangler would do nothing, CTF Capture would do nothing, it wouldn't even crit during post-match humiliation. It's a buff because it's replacing the previous stat of 'Does not crit.'
@@trollface.exe.6872The Sandman applied Stun, not Slow, which made it so enemies straight up could not move. The cleaver used to crit stunned players. Between the Sandman ball, the 150 damage criticleaver, and the bleed afterwards, Scout effectively had a TOD combo off of landing 1 Sandman ball.
@@trollface.exe.6872150 damage 4 free with barely any control from the receiver. Considering how good the Scout is already, the ability to stun people was kind of insane, and even if you disagree, it was completely trash to fight against.
I MISS YOU OLD EVICTION NOTICE!!!! (Frankly if you just made it go back up at the same rate as the GRU (so it's usable for twice as long as the GRU with the same health penalty) it'd be decent at least.) The GRU's better for these changes, though. Definitely a deserved and useful change, just sad to see it universally applied to its poor cousin.
Though as another commenter points out, I feel like the GRU health drain could use a visual indicator for the Heavy's opponents to know he's on low health. Would make fighting against the weapon feel a bit more fluid and dynamic.
14:43 Cough cough. I want to point out how gunboats is extremely centralizing and arguably has little to no downside as it allows soldiers to divebomb but retain more health while still using their primary at the same effectiveness for attack, which even makes it kind of throw off the balance of bypassing soldier's poor mobility at the cost of health as you mentioned earlier... generally speaking soldier can do a lot more with gunboats than a shotgun, I think that might even be why so many soldiers seem to just pretend using a shotgun is a non-option when faced with a pyro who can airblast lol.
I simply don't like how we can't tell if an enemy heavy has their health reduced. In the case of the previous GRU, you knew that someone was marked for death, obviously because of the symbol. It just *feels* like a mechanic that was put on afterwards if we cannot easily discern that it's happening right in front of us, you know?
@@juicejooos The old GRU was honestly pretty strong in 100% crit servers, or any time where you were liable to get crit. Headshots, Kritzkriegs, Bushwackas, Jarate, Fan O' Wars, Buff Banners, Skullcutters, Phlogs... really any time where your 300 health was gonna disappear anyway. Might as well move faster and surf that damage, right? Meanwhile the health drain isn't just converting an enemy's Jarate into an excuse to run urgently.
I mean, he gets talked about like any tf2 youtuber with a significant following. Difference is, zesty is pretty antagonistic and speaks with "authority' when he is just an average dude.
14:26 why didnt epicisepic uber in this clip they had 100% fuckin uber they would of saved both themself and fishstick as the gru heavy from being dropped to 7 health due to the other blu heavy closing in from the left
Completely unrelated to the video, but at 5:15 there's a message on chat about teams being unbalanced and I just realised I cannot recall last time I was asked to voluntarily switch teams. Did I forget about a patch removing that or was it just not documented?
Well if Valve ever gets around to that HEAVY update, im sure the Eviction notice among many of his items (like the Buffalo Stack, the king of hidden stats) will be on the list.
I love these gloves so much more now that I actually have to think about using them. Being a Powerjack on the Heavy was way more powerful for the little effort required to use VS how important it is for Heavy to get to point A to B quickly. Now having a real consequence to weigh up makes it far more interesting, how much you want to risk your health to get to the fight faster.
they got better in jungle inferno hear me out if you have a lower base health that means you can die sooner making it so you can use the gru to get to the frontlines faster
3:05 Not particularly related to the GRU but since you brought up this weird quirk of MVM bots' outdated weapon stats, I wanted to bring up an even weirder discovery I had the other day which is that apparently, small robots are still fully stunned by sandman moonshots.
I don’t hate the gru for its new stats, I hate it because now whenever heavy is brought up in comp the conversation always ends in “speedy heavy bad for game”
Don't know if I'm just too old for this channel or not but: the GRU used to be even better than it's marked for death variant because it would drain your health in little damage ticks, meaning using the GRU could actively help any medics on you build uber while simultaneously getting you to the front lines faster.
I love using my GRU+Panic Attack combo, it gives me a dopamine rush when my gloves don't crit on first hit, but I instantly switch and just start blasting
That was the second-best video I’ve ever seen on why/how the GRU is good (Big Joey gets the #1 spot because he mentions some specific jumps they let you make)
You can just nope.avi that health drain by eating the chocolate or fish cake when you get wherever you're going. It's not even a problem. And when you have a medic shoved up your fart factory like most heavies do, the health drain matters even less.
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i mean, he tried to steal an entire moon. how can you even defend that
You can't probe that! And even if he did, he put it back!
I mean if you had ability to you would at least think about it
Help
"Bwaaaain, pu barupu bwaaaaaawn, pa paru bwaaaain, pu barupu bwaaaaaawn, pa paru pwaaaaan, purubarubu buuun, puru pu pu pu pupuru pu pu"
because he turned his life around and became a damned good father for those gorls
Things I learned about Fish today:
-He let a take on a video game weapon live in his head rent free for years
-He thinks the holiday punch isn't worth taking seriously (it really is lmao)
-He's a fan of the Komitet Gosudarstvennoy Bezopasnosti
He was Red spy whole this time, who would had thought
I get why, the Holiday punch at a fundamental level goes aggaist everything normal heavy is about.
However the reward of stopping ubers is so good I would consider it.
Personally, I think the Holiday punch is Heavys worst good melee.
The holiday punch makes me laugh even without crits because it’s a joke
@@Neonlight3934what a good way to phrase it
Yeah its basically a backstab that can trigger randomly even on face punches that can stun enemies instead of kill them, but works even through uber as long as the enemy is touching the ground, and not actively taunting already. The main downside is that you arent the spy or scout who has mobility doing these stun backstabs, you are the slowest class in the game, making it difficult to get yourself in such a position and actually do something useful past that one moment instead of just dying. You get to send one, maybe two important enemies into a laughing fit for like 5 seconds ish, then you die because youre way too far ahead of your now pushed back team, instead of using the gru or fists of steel and just getting back to your new front lines, or just playing pyro and airblast the uber back 13 miles
@@Neonlight3934 Holiday Punch is Heavy's loose cannon
'If you've only just started playing since Jungle Inferno.'
Fish... It's been 7 years.
I know, I don't want to believe it either.
I fit that demographic entirely
Damn, time flies huh
I stopped playing in 2018 lmao, I just sometimes watch tf2 videos out of nostalgia. I didn't even know that the sadman no longer stuns people
I started playing *RIGHT BEFORE* jungle inferno
I dont hate the GRU for the damage drain. I just hate the Eviction Notice got the same nerf.
Yeah you wonder why it got a nerf even though it was just a meme
@@mariustan9275 i guess because without it the eviction notice will be a direct upgrade(in terms of util).
but i mean.. the notice only got a 15% while the gru is at 30% speed
or maybe valve dosent want the mindless "i do this to go to mid" design that could possibly happen to movement enhancing heavy items
@@DryfloorsignNot really, you're still slower than the GRU overall
@@Dryfloorsign yes but at the time the GRU marked you for death while deployed instead of health drain so it was still better than the eviction
Its an oxymoron, the EN encourages you to hit enemies to become faster but it also discourages you to engage by draining your hp,its like the equalizer.
"As a fan of the KGB..." - FSoAS, circa 2024 (colourized)
He is a COMMUNIST
To be fair, saying "in the defense of the GRU" doesn't sound better
Tankie
11:12
Doesn’t look very colourised
@@TheLaFleur I mean, he did steal the moon
I want Gloves of Running Marginally Better
That's just Eviction Notice.
@@Buster_real shhh 🤫
But there wasn't a Soviet organisation named the GRMB
@@segadoeswhatnintendont Gloves of Running an Urgently Boxing Heavy Up to Bed?
@@Ceece20 GRUBHUB
The GRU heavies in MvM still have the mark for death while active because they actually use a separate version of the GRU that still has the pre-Jungle Inferno stats. It's literally just called "Gloves of Running Urgently MvM" in the item schema.
If you go in the Mann Co Catalog and go to the end or the list for Heavy items, you can find them there - they literally just made a copy of the old one and kept it for mvm only, I guess similar to how the deflector minigun works
@@purpleapple4052I think the same applies to the sandman too? Not sure
@@thunderspark1536 I mean, the sandman nerf still applies to the sandman scouts in MvM so prob not.
@@able_archer01 That's weird
Fun fact, the localizations I am aware of always try to preserve the acronym GRU. In my italian for example they're called Guanti della Radicale Urgenza (Gloves of Radical Urgency)
In Polish it was translated as Gorące Rękawice Uciekiniera (Escapee's Hot Gloves) and KGB was translated to Krytyczne Grzmoty Bokserskie (Critical Boxing Thunders).
@@szymonwilczynski6870 oh right, the KGB 🤣 issue is that the italian words don't have JKWXY letters, so they translated the KGB as "Ke Guantoni da Boxe!" (Such Boxing Gloves! which should be written "Che Guantoni da Boxe", same pronunciation)
In spanish the GRU are the "Guantes de Rapidez Ultraterrena" (Gloves of Ultraterrestrial Rapidity), and the KGB are the "Kañoreros Guantes de Boxeo", the literal translation is "Gunners Boxing Gloves" but 'kañon', actually 'cañón', is an idiom for 'cool', so it'd be "Kool Gloves of Boxing"
It breaks my heart that Finnish just doesn't have words that fit both the weapon and what it does. The problem starts with G, as the language has very little usage of the letter, let alone as the first letter of a word. We may be able to stretch it a little, to use gorilla somehow. Strong animal, guess it fits heavy somehow?
Then we get to R. It's quite a lot easier, as we can use either reipas, which means brisk, or we can use rukkaset, which is one word for gloves.
But U gives trouble again. Because of Finnish grammar rules, we have to come up with a word for gloves that start with U, or break the rules entirely which makes the name awkward
Best I can reall think of would be Gorillan Reippaat Rukkaset, but that would make the acronym GRR.
Korean was just not possible, it's just G.R.U and K.G.B.
Im sorry fish, but there is no defending despicable me 4
or 2, or 3, or any spinoffs for that matter
@@TheRealLittleBIGhead2 was alright, worse than 1 but not bad. Rest are abysmal tho yea
The first third of minions 1 is also OK
@@segadoeswhatnintendont true true, I did like the minor 'villains' the minions went through and the worldbuilding they sorta had going
@@dragoncat9153the 1st one is still the best movie illumination has made
I was a GRU loyalist since the rework, but have recently taking a liking to the Fists of Steel.
That weapon is cancer and toxic af
I mean; it’s the “meta”
Holiday punch is the best for me. Always funny to deny enemy's uber
@@PATA_PONAlso taunt kill
Fists of steal were what I ran in games over ran with bots as with a medic pocket you can kill bots somewhat reliably
Wow. That _is_ a garbage take from Zesty.
Not just "the GRU are mid," but somehow *_STOCK_* is better than them?!?
And the pain over the Eviction Notice is so real.
That's the thing about opinions, they're like assholes.
Everyone has one and they all stink.
Technically it is better, it has taunt kill and the only bad thing is that it doesn't give a bonus, the GRU made a sandman but it's not that bad. Besides, Fish says that the huntsman is more broken than the rifle xdd
It's Zesty, what did you expect?
Nah lol. Unless you tell me you are a nihilist, some opinions are better informed and reasonable than others.
It isn't a baseless claim though. You do lose health while using it. Although I don't see any heavy meleeing everyone with the fists
2:59 That "I'm sorry" felt so genuine 😭
I'm one of those people :(
There have always been bots for me. This is the first time the game is basically bot-free
@@zapadap1328Same here, though I watched TF2 videos for YEARS before I ever gave it a go. Why I took so long idk, but I witnessed the entire meat your match debacle from the sidelines and went "eh, looks fun"
Anything that lets Heavy of all classes reposition himself quickly is worth using, especially in an offensive loadout.
Eviction notice.
@@lazyvectorthats dubiously quickly to be frank
Technically if you don't have gru might as well@@lazyvector
@lazyvector technically it might be a decent choice, it's just that it's a dowgrade compared to the gru
FoS is still far better and doesn't require you to wait a decade to get back to normal durability. GRU was ruined.
I like Gru (at least in the first despicable me) I thought he was a fun protagonist who goes through a really good character arc where he puts aside his villainy to form a genuine relationship and family with the girls. And also he’s pretty funny
He is a Shrek but a spy
I kinda like all three of the first Despicable Me trilogy. Minions was an abomination and I'm sure Despicable Me 4 is as bad as Megamind 2 is.
@@Calvin_Coolage Despicable Me 4 is nowhere near as bad as that crime against humanity
Despicable Me is a textbook milking-the-franchise-till-it-goes-to-shit case. I really like the first one too, but only that one.
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I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought Zesty Jesus's Ranking for the Gru wasn't a bit uncalled for and lived rent free in my head too for years even after years of not even engaging in TF2 content for a year
The one that stuck for me was when he put the regular pistol over the pretty boys pocket pistol, like... How?
Some of his rankings were really questionable but I think most of them were actually really agreeable, especially for weapons most people think aren’t that good. It’s also been 3 years, though.
I think at the time he made that tierlist I actually agreed with him but nowdays putting these anywhere but at least A is crazy.
Same I like his content overall but that video pissed me off just for that
I know it’s immature but I love the gru so from then on I just didn’t take any opinion on heavy he had seriously
@@Juan_Wacko for some reason he thinks the pbpp’s is used for the healing and forgets that the fire rate also gives it more dps
7:44 "Foolish Gloves, You want drain my health?? HAH! WHAT HEALTH!?" - That whole sequence, basically.
Glad to see someone with a platform finally has pointed out the genius that is the modern GRU. I've thought it was peak game design since day 1 for the exact power/bulk/speed you mentioned. Biggest bummer is how the gru's existence made the devs remove the chocolate bar's overhead mechanic
Still won't use it. The GRU is absolutely garbage now, and valve needs to stop listening to comp players.
Agreed@@Clown_the_Clown
@@Clown_the_Clown the gru, along with the fists of steel, are the best heavy melees
@@Clown_the_Clown You're assmad over the change and haven't learned them. Retreating at 100% speed with no significant downside is one of the biggest survivability tools available to heavy. Plus the dodging, hunting, flanking especially with a medic. But all this was explained in the video so you probably just want to stay mad at the stats without actually learning how to use them.
@@Clown_the_Clowndid you watch the video
The ideal item to get a heavy to the point from a starting rollout isn't even a heavy item. It's the soldier's whip.
you could say this for a lot of things i.e. the ideal item to heal a heavy isn't the banana, it's the medigun
"mobility should not come free"
powerjack users : *coughs*
Eh. Pyro is a short ranged class with minimal burst damage. Letting him get around outside of combat a little faster is fine. And it does come with a tangible downside if you use it to gapclose, which Pyro actually might have wanted to do, at least more than Heavy.
you trade off the utility of shotguns and flare guns
@@sniperbodyshot ...By picking a melee weapon?
@@aleflippy1997 i was about to say. thanks there X´D
@@aleflippy1997 ohh, mixed up it with thermal thruster
Man, I love ZestyJesus but GODDAYUM he can have some INSANELY SPICY hottakes that make NO sense.
"you can say a word and not be racist"
why would you want to be punished without it having to be another person shooting at you
Wait people think the gru is bad what
My thoughts exactly.
No. FishStick made this video because it will make money. He even said so.
@@Pesthuf You're pathetic lol
@@Pesthuf Thank, Mr. Literal
health drain is technically just as bad as minicrit damage
I say technically only because using it willy nilly makes you incredibly vulnerable. When you want to go fast, you pull out the gru but switch back 3/4ths of the way into the journey.
This ensures you aren't caught with 100 health
Just a note about using the G.R.U to gain distance: During or before a stock uber, using it to not only give yourself but also your medic the speed boost allows you to just close the distance that much more to take full advantage of a stock uber.
The medic doesn't get a boost though, he's 107% move speed. It's still great for the heavy during an Uber though.
@@nathaniel1207 medic can't really push an faster than his heavy though.
I'm surprised how few people have mentioned its synergy with Uber, that seems like one of the best qualities
The sheer terror of an Ubered Heavy positively BARRELING towards you cannot be overstated.
11:09 I feel like it was a fun thing that two of Heavy's first melee unlocks were named after Soviet/Russian intelligence agencies in the GRU and KGB. Though I feel like naming a weapon with the acronym NKVD and/or FSB is a little tasteless nowadays and a bit harder to not have it feel contrived.
what are you on about with the latter part
If Ubisoft made TF2 instead of Valve, you just know they'd have added a melee weapon that deals mini-crits for 20 seconds after taking minicrit/critical damage, and called it the Fists of Striking Back.
"Nowadays"? You mean those acronyms were somehow better in the past?
@@whitemouse2460 yes, I mean exactly that. Cause those acronyms aren't reminders of the current political climate like they are now but funny nods to history...even if that history wasn't pleasant.
@@randomguyblank1616if you get uncomfortable because a weapon has a reference to the modern Russian institutions please never make games, I don’t want you taking the funny out of it, thank you.
the eviction notice nerf will never make sense to me. Like it's legit a bad gru x hot hand atm
The reasoning at the time why the eviction notice deserved a nerf was while slower many heavys preferred it over the Gru. The minicrit de buff on the Gru was a death sentence if you got caught unaware. Last comp players hated the idea the heavy could fight and have impact in the mid fight so complained to valve to have both weapons nerfed into the ground.
@@ZoneEnder nerfed both to the ground? mate have you watched the bloody video?
My favorite part of the Chocolate is that eating takes up like a third of the recharge time. You can dispense that candy like... like candy. Great for keeping teammates extinguished if there's Scorch-happy Pyro sniping at us. So I like to use it more on Defense.
But with the GRU, you're able to get a bit of defensive utility and rollout consistency.
you really don't have to apologize to zesty for anything
In Defense of the Holiday Punch:
pulling them out, like, doubles your chance of not getting shot in general.
crouch and say need a dispenser quintuples it
He is pretty despicable, I'm not sure how you can defend him.
Yeah Zesty's take on it was max cap. Bro just kinda admitted he doesn't know how to use them proper.
If you're dying on rollout because of the GRU, that's on you for not taking better notice of the game state around you and holding them out for too long as a result. Always put them away a little earlier than you think when approaching the front and you'll be fine.
Even if you're a little squishy by then, it's usually okay to just pause for a little but to regenerate. As much as I know you want to hear hitsounds as soon and as often as possible, you can stand to wait around for just a moment before jump revving around that corner. As a medic player, I know all too well how some (read, a lot of) players just can't be patient for a second or two only for it to bite them in the ass mere seconds later because they desperately need to chase that dopamine.
But yeah, in literally every other instance besides rollout, the new GRU are just an objective upgrade from what they used to be.
I think the two unsung upsides of the Jungle Inferno changes are the lack of noticeable downside when at low health and running away (as mentioned at 7:48), since you'll likely take as long to heal up as your health will to fill up anyway, and the fact that you can make quick positioning changes in wide-open spaces without fear of negating enemies' damage falloff
Also, it feels good to see a "I disagree with you" take regarding Zesty's opinions for once, rather than a shitfit tirade about him as a person
Yeah feels nice to have an actual disagreement and is coming from someone that don't about half of Zesty's opinions (Mainly his inconsistent cosmetics opinions and random spread discussion)
Can we just agree that Meet your match ruined most of the weapons? Primarily: Eviction notice, Caber, Bison, Base jumper, Sandman?
Sandman nerf was good and the basejumper already sucked lol
THANK YOU. I've heard the arguments about the GRU changes, but I've always found them to be a welcome change. I wouldn't call the rebalance a nerf either, since the GRU is now significantly better at retreating without having to worry about a cross-map mini-crit. It's worse for rolling out, sure. But in Casual when there's going to be an Engineer most of the time, you don't need to roll out after the first time and it's a buff in most other cases. I've been using this version of the GRU since the change and I'm going to keep enjoying it.
Wait, in defense? What is there to defend? The gru's are fine.
GRU + Dahlokas bar is my GO_TO loadout. so busted. i love getting there fast and instantly being back at 320 hp and regenerating back to 350 over a few seconds. its so good
7:30 headshot damage from a rocket
The Eviction Notice is good, you're just using it wrong.
I have a bone to pick with the KGB. While in casual random crits on it are balanced by being a weapon of last resort, in medieval mode, it makes the weapon legitimately busted. You are be rewarded with more crits for rolling random crits, on your PRIMARY weapon. Honestly, I think either random crits need to be disabled in medieval mode or the KGB (and the skullcutter too), need random crits disabled.
no to both. heavy is the slowest class, and the kgb makes his dps slower too. other classes can easily just bait swings out and easily punish him. let heavy keep random crits, he's the strongest merc in-lore, he should be able to sometimes knock your block off.
the ubersaw, meanwhile...
That last part about the Eviction Notice got me thinking, what if it inflicted bleed for 8 seconds on hit? I know that may sound oppressive so I suggest we also nerf its damage considerably, remove the speed bonus and increase the health drain's effect. I think this would be a net buff as it would allow Heavy to quickly kill a Spy that is in front of him which he previously could not do before
The additional speed is so important for Heavy that they remain one of Heavy's most important melees.
Zesty also downplayed the reserve shooter for pyro
Not surprising considering it's almost definitely one of his most played classes
Zesty says the reserve shooter is incredibly good what crack are you smoking?
It's pretty useless on Pyro, they gave it to him because the weapon did mini-crits to enemies in the air, the only consistent way to elevate enemies he has is with airblast but that doesn't work anymore
With heavy being the anchor of his team, it only makes sense to run the dalokohs over everything because you are able to stay in the fight longer for multiple reasons, 1. you probably are over healed already from eating it, 2. the recharge rate allows you to throw out the lunchbox more often, especially allowing you to keep your medic alive against aggressive teams and pyros, 3. as you mentioned here the heal rate you get from switching from the gru and eating the sandvich, allow you to heal up while the speed will allow you to keep up with the rest of your team. works with or without a medic
I love FSoaS feeling awkward about saying he's a fan of the KGB while the whole ass video is titled "In Defense of the GRU", another soviet intelligence agency
Oh god, I was there for that Zesty Stream.
I remember that he *replied* to me saying "My question is why they nerfed the Eviction Notice the exact same way" (which can be seen at 1:29).
I didn't agree with his placement then, and I still don't.
Eviction Notice would be the worst heavy meele even without the health drain lmao
@@szatid2645
I don't disagree with you, they're terrible even without Considering that.
I just want to know _Why did Valve see a weapon that was objectively Terrible and think "Yeah, that needs a nerf."_
Actually... now that I think about it, they've done that before.
@@LinksYTLink They did it for consistency, but didn't have any buffs in mind to compensate for that. And so the weapon was left in an unusable state.
I disagree with him there too. I mean, you can't agree with everything anyone ever says usually, and while I generally like Zesty Jesus that was just a take I was flabbergasted by
@@mariustan9275 Zesty himself made it pretty clear that he's not all that good at the game, nor is he particularly interested in getting good.
So I don't know why people would take his gameplay opinions seriously. The fine details of TF2's balance aren't his area of expertise.
The main issue with the GRU is that, it's either that, or the fists of steel. Because mainly, who the hell with any braincell is gonna allow Heavy to melee them? He's the slowest class, just turn around and run away, and Heavy's melee is now useless.
It's not the other melee weapons are bad per say. Like the KGB are notably pretty good on paper. But the issue remains that unless you're doing a gimmick tactic with the buffalo steak... Almost nobody is going to try and enter melee range of a Heavy if they don't have a dying wish.
And if they do, you minigun shreds them anyway. It's kinda like people going in melee range of a Pyro. Even scout doesn't have to do that, and he's the only class that has the mobility to go in and out of that range without taking too much damage. And again it's not even necessary.
I def never used the Gru before learning the chocolate synergy. Makes the game a lot more immediate/dynamic feeling when I play as heavy.
Hey, someone referencing Zesty without treating him like shit, that's refreshing.
Yeah, so weird to see Zesty getting clowned on but politely. Makes for a much more enjoyable (less toxic) video.
If you put the GRU away very early you can effectively get a minor speed boost for free. Not a great speed boost but still getting to the front faster than stock.
no, pulling them out takes a chunk of hp instantly to stop people from swapping between them and other weapons for speedboosts with minimal penalties
The GRU even needs defending? I had no idea
Hillarious how the utility meelee is better at fighting people then the actual meelees that are supposed to do the same thing (eviction notice and warrior spirit)
I generally use the FoS more than the GRU, but they definitely have a lot of power if you are smart about them. My brain just shuts off when I'm playing heavy
I never made the connection that the GRU only drains max health so you can use it for much less cost when at low health, that makes it so much more useful
Wait people actually think the GRU is bad since the rework?
Just because it's not as insanely good as it used to be and you have to actually play around the downside now?
People are wild man.
heavy has other great melees
not as insanely good? they're more useful now than ever.
@@windhelmguard5295 worse at getting you to the front line quicker, better in every other situation
Wait, what? Do you need to defend the GRU? I thought everyone was in agreement that it was good? Oh... Zesty Jesus said it. Okay. Why do we take him seriously?
fr, Zesty is such a clown and known for whining lol
@@morgboat744 He really is, but on the other hand, the things he's done for this community, while easily replaceable and easy to do by someone who is probably loads more qualified than him at explaining everything he specializes in, has a unique attitude about things that I believe should keep us all way more humble. His dumbassery and bold statements help to remind us that not every TF2 player is a smart person, heck, I doubt anyone of TF2ubers genuinely knows 100% of the time what they're talking about.
That's what I was saying for a long time. What's next, a video about him proving that 2+2=4, beacuse some random hick said that it equals 3?
15:15 that cow mangler stat is… not a buff. Not sure why it’s alongside the Sydney sleeper’s shower buff.
Before the update, it would not crit AT ALL. Kritzkreiging the cow mangler would do nothing, CTF Capture would do nothing, it wouldn't even crit during post-match humiliation. It's a buff because it's replacing the previous stat of 'Does not crit.'
But Fish! The EVIL compies want to ruin my fun and perfectly balanced videogame!
Anyways I want the old sandman + cleaver combo back
HOLY SHIT, is that the real Gabber?
I mean I want (at least cleaver)
How was the sandman - cleaver combo over powered?
@@trollface.exe.6872The Sandman applied Stun, not Slow, which made it so enemies straight up could not move.
The cleaver used to crit stunned players. Between the Sandman ball, the 150 damage criticleaver, and the bleed afterwards, Scout effectively had a TOD combo off of landing 1 Sandman ball.
@@trollface.exe.6872150 damage 4 free with barely any control from the receiver. Considering how good the Scout is already, the ability to stun people was kind of insane, and even if you disagree, it was completely trash to fight against.
Guys will see a Fsoas upload and just think "hell yeah"
Seeing zesty out of nowhere scared the fuck outta me ngl
Zesty jump scare
@@Ben_c-j4u out of context that sounds mildly silly
The gru feels great to use, so did zesty put it in C?
I MISS YOU OLD EVICTION NOTICE!!!! (Frankly if you just made it go back up at the same rate as the GRU (so it's usable for twice as long as the GRU with the same health penalty) it'd be decent at least.)
The GRU's better for these changes, though. Definitely a deserved and useful change, just sad to see it universally applied to its poor cousin.
Though as another commenter points out, I feel like the GRU health drain could use a visual indicator for the Heavy's opponents to know he's on low health. Would make fighting against the weapon feel a bit more fluid and dynamic.
Hybrid Fat Scout with Gru is deffinitly a funny one
14:43 Cough cough. I want to point out how gunboats is extremely centralizing and arguably has little to no downside as it allows soldiers to divebomb but retain more health while still using their primary at the same effectiveness for attack, which even makes it kind of throw off the balance of bypassing soldier's poor mobility at the cost of health as you mentioned earlier... generally speaking soldier can do a lot more with gunboats than a shotgun, I think that might even be why so many soldiers seem to just pretend using a shotgun is a non-option when faced with a pyro who can airblast lol.
I think it’s an issue of how good good positioning is over the well of utility the shotgun provides
I simply don't like how we can't tell if an enemy heavy has their health reduced. In the case of the previous GRU, you knew that someone was marked for death, obviously because of the symbol.
It just *feels* like a mechanic that was put on afterwards if we cannot easily discern that it's happening right in front of us, you know?
@@juicejooos The old GRU was honestly pretty strong in 100% crit servers, or any time where you were liable to get crit. Headshots, Kritzkriegs, Bushwackas, Jarate, Fan O' Wars, Buff Banners, Skullcutters, Phlogs... really any time where your 300 health was gonna disappear anyway.
Might as well move faster and surf that damage, right? Meanwhile the health drain isn't just converting an enemy's Jarate into an excuse to run urgently.
3 years ago is like yesterday in Valve time.
What is it with this community and Zesty living rent free in everyone's head? The dude is just one guy having opinions on a game, it's not that deep.
I mean, he gets talked about like any tf2 youtuber with a significant following. Difference is, zesty is pretty antagonistic and speaks with "authority' when he is just an average dude.
14:26 why didnt epicisepic uber in this clip they had 100% fuckin uber they would of saved both themself and fishstick as the gru heavy from being dropped to 7 health due to the other blu heavy closing in from the left
YES I LOVE THE GRU'S BALANCING PHILOSOPHY
it's so smart
No one used the Eviction Notice anyway. It was a meme and it stayed a meme.
it was a funny meme, then it became a worse gru.
Completely unrelated to the video, but at 5:15 there's a message on chat about teams being unbalanced and I just realised I cannot recall last time I was asked to voluntarily switch teams. Did I forget about a patch removing that or was it just not documented?
KGB will always be the true Heavy melee 😤
Zesty living rent free in your head 24/7.
in the same way a tumor does
Well if Valve ever gets around to that HEAVY update, im sure the Eviction notice among many of his items (like the Buffalo Stack, the king of hidden stats) will be on the list.
16:04 "NOT THE POOPY ONES!"
"if you've only just started playing tf2 after jungle inferno" fish its been 7 years i regret to inform you
4:36 he sounds like zesty jesus which is ironic
I love these gloves so much more now that I actually have to think about using them. Being a Powerjack on the Heavy was way more powerful for the little effort required to use VS how important it is for Heavy to get to point A to B quickly. Now having a real consequence to weigh up makes it far more interesting, how much you want to risk your health to get to the fight faster.
brother do you ever go outside? stop commenting and go touch some grass god daam.
@@bobcheese6999 what the hell is your response even motivated by?
@@ShakerSilver I just don't like you, you comment too much you have a weird ass parasocial relationship 👍👍
One thing I love about the Dalokoh's bar is that it pairs so perfectly with the GRU since it almost mitigate's the GRU's health drain penalty
Finally someone is calling out the "comp players are the reason there were shit balance changes" bullshit
It's so incredibly unfounded lol
Dude I had no idea people thought the gru was bad weapon
No one did
Just Zesty
The GRU are best for surprising cocky enemies around corners with a random crit.
they got better in jungle inferno
hear me out
if you have a lower base health that means you can die sooner making it so you can use the gru to get to the frontlines faster
The most balanced weapon since the Caber.
I just wish the health drain "bottomed out" at 125 hp instead of 100.
I also wish the Bread Bite had the stats of the KGB instead of the GRU...
1:02 hey without people like you we wouldn’t be entertained and know good ways to use tf2 weapons
Saying Zesty has a bad take is like saying a fish is wet.
"if you only started playing tf2 after jungle inferno, first of all I'm sorry"
man i felt that in my soul...
3:05 Not particularly related to the GRU but since you brought up this weird quirk of MVM bots' outdated weapon stats, I wanted to bring up an even weirder discovery I had the other day which is that apparently, small robots are still fully stunned by sandman moonshots.
Only melee I've used consistently as a heavy main the last 4 years
It's nice catching these videos seconds after they release :)
I don’t hate the gru for its new stats, I hate it because now whenever heavy is brought up in comp the conversation always ends in “speedy heavy bad for game”
Your first mistake is listening to mister zest about anything, he unironically believes I should piss myself in public
Please explain
@orange0666 he's one of the people who doesn't want me to go to the lavatory for being trans
I've never thought that in my life time that I would see an in defense of for the GRU. I always thought that the GRU was one of heavy's best melees
13:00 fish stick finally roasts the European comp players who cried about the market gardener and loch
Don't know if I'm just too old for this channel or not but: the GRU used to be even better than it's marked for death variant because it would drain your health in little damage ticks, meaning using the GRU could actively help any medics on you build uber while simultaneously getting you to the front lines faster.
4:24 it's not explicitly mentioned but alluded to
I love using my GRU+Panic Attack combo, it gives me a dopamine rush when my gloves don't crit on first hit, but I instantly switch and just start blasting
1:06 ........um.......what?
Ngl, I was really hoping to get a warpaint case this year featuring one of your warpaints fish.
That was the second-best video I’ve ever seen on why/how the GRU is good (Big Joey gets the #1 spot because he mentions some specific jumps they let you make)
I find the GRU to be quite... despicable 😈
2:10 GOD DAMN THAT DD WAS CLEAN
You can just nope.avi that health drain by eating the chocolate or fish cake when you get wherever you're going. It's not even a problem. And when you have a medic shoved up your fart factory like most heavies do, the health drain matters even less.