I love how despite the Gas Passer not working with the Neon Annihilator, it can still extinguish enemies even though it’s a literal can of gasoline Edit: Gas Passer good now? (No)
Fun fact, that's actually a bug. It's supposed to work with the neon annihilator but it must have been an oversight. Apparently they are trying to see if they can make it work
"There are other payload race maps besides hightower, people!" yeah but nobody wants to play payload race, they want to play hightower. Hightower just happens to have a payload race inside of it.
They buffed it. Now neon annihiltor considers players doused in gas as wet. Which apparently happened because someone gaslit valve into believing it was a bug, reporting it on github as one.
2:23 Can we acknowledge how much of a bad day this guy is having Dude somehow managed to be on FIRE and then die of electrocution because the universe claimed he was also WET at the same time
I didn't know even ANKLE HIGH water makes you count as wet! This is a piece of forbidden information you shouldn't have unleashed on the playerbase. Now I'm paranoid. And it doesn't help that we don't have wetness HUD indicator.
13:08 that was really sick I’m not gonna lie. Pulling off an airblast rocket jump with the Neon Annihilator is really cool, glad you got that while recording.
Something I noticed during a lot of this footage: The neon's crit knockback is.. kind of absurd. I feel like it should have a hidden reduced knockback stat so you don't knock enemies out of melee range.
the problem is that enemies underwater also take significantly reduced knockback, which means that you get basically normal knockback on submerged enemies.
If the neon and homewreaker had a reverse equalizer situation where both stats of the weapons were combined into one the neon would be a much better weapon and would actually be able to stand on its it own. However there would then be the problem of why the hell would a hammer do crits on wet players.
make a hammer with a battery attached to it (with duct tape) and powering a small shark light on the head, so it keeps that electric hazard theme and hammer theme at the same time
If the Gas Passer gets the recharge of 60 seconds or 750 damage(WHAT THE FRAK?!) for MVM mode and PVP mode Gas passer has 30 seconds and 300 damage recharge or 45 seconds and 450 damage recharge and counts as "wet" for the Neon Annihilator, that would be an immense improvement for both Gas passer and Neon Annihilator. I am of the opinion that a situational weapon at least needs to have a complementary stat or item to make use of it(Ex Jarate and Bushwaka combo would not work well if there was no Jarate), so the Neon Annihilator with my Gas Passer improvements would be good. If the Gas Passer Gasoline effect also gets very difficult to get rid of, plus "firing" modes you change by Pressing R when active that is Gasoline Cloud and Gasoline Bomb(50 damage fire attack, no damage falloff, Rocket AOE and does Gasoline Afterburn) that would make the Gas passer very good. Sharpened Volcano Fragment and the Sun on a Stick aka RIFT items need to have some upside. I suggest alt fire does ranged fire attack. Scout gets a flare gun stats firebolt and the Pyro a Dragon's Fury Stat fireball with a meter to fill up. this simple change makes them a bit better, plus Scout gets some form of complementary stat on the SOAS to make use of it's upsides better. I also think that you start off empty and refill with 30 seconds or doing damage or when burning, holt alt fire to extinguish other players for 20HP and 10% charge. This makes both RIFT items much better then before. Third Degree, give it 20% less damage and no random crits but the upside is hitting foes can siphon 20HP of health and overheal(as in, instead of HP on HIT, you take 20HP with every hit, AND siphons the medibeam Medic's health meaning you can do 40HP on hit) and alt fire is using your 35HP to do a minicrit damage attack. Would this make it better? stock axe, I would make all stock melees do something. Stock Shovel and Kukri, alt fire is a meter that when holding alt fire is charged up for a minicrit swing. Stock fireaxe, alt fire is hold alt fire to charge up a meter that when full is a minicrit swing that also does afterburn. Stock Wrench is third hit does mnicrits. Stock Bat does Daze effect that lasts 3 seconds on every 4th swing and minicrits(Daze is a 20% debuff for movement speed, reload speed, rev up speed, firing speed, swing speed, switching speed) and put Daze on Sandman ball to make it better. Stock fists, on kill, gain plus 15% faster movement speed that stacks with other things(I also think a new core Class Passive called Rushing Slav where you switch from main damage dealer aka Minigun for plus 15% that stacks with other speed boosters as a upside would work well). Demoman, Stock bottle does 25HP on taunt press R to switch to a Bottle smack taunt kill, broken bottle does not give health has 30 second recharge, also Caber gets 30 seconds recharge to make it better. Medic, alt fire is a Disciplinary action mechanics injector syringe that gives 20% HP that can overheal and press R to self heal. This was a lot of things. What do you think of this?
I think the extinction of the Spinosaurus was less because he coudn't compete with carchos and more that everything eatable starts to die out. Carchos went excintc around the same period, so I don't think they were water dependant either, at least as much as Spinosaurus. It's just that Kem-Kem was a river-heavy place and once the water started to dissapear everything dried out and they all died. Tragic
That Spinosaurus comparison is oddly fitting given the fact the Pyroshark play style is just that of a heron and it does not thrive well outside of very wet maps.
4:10 Found out that the Neon IS actually supposed to crit them, but it's bugged.........so yeah.......god dammit Valve. Hurry the hell up and fix your game.
I believe in part, the NA was meant to play not just with water in mind, but against a player's instinctive reaction. Fire bad, water make fire go fwsh, go to water. With that, the described playstyle of... playing Pyro makes the most sense. Especially on a spot like Pier, set someone on fire and 9/10 times they're gonna go for water if they can't heal it off or have their own pyro extinguish. Even moreso scouts and snipers extinguishing themselves, the viability can increase a lot if the pyro player has the awareness and mobility to catch them out.
The Eyelander barely changed as well. The Powerjack changed a lot, but it has never been garbage either. The backscratcher is also an underrated, yet consistent melee option.
I understand why this exists, as flare pyros are helpless while submerged underwater. It just needs a buff to help them while active and underwater like a faster swim speed or health regen while submerged.
One of the most fun times I've ever had on Pyro was on a random weapons server on 2fort, I rolled the Neon, the tideturner, and ali baba boots. Needless to say that was Megalodon of the sewers.
It's even more absurd considering that Sniper has Jarate+Bushwacka, not only invalidating but reversing what is supposed to be the biggest if not only weakness of the longest range class in the game, while Pyro has one of the shortest effective ranges of all the marcs, second perhaps only to Spy, which is also arguably the weakest class in the game.
@@casperryborg4869 I mean sorta? Maybe? I play on zero maps because I don’t play TF2, I consume TF2 content, so all of my knowledge comes from watching videos, and certain maps are more popular for content creation. But I suppose that my not playing on any maps does have an impact so yes, you are technically correct.
It’s very situational and pretty much only “useful” on maps with a lot of water, but even then you’re better off with other melees that provide more use
@@ani_star9729 see, this is my problem. Pray tell, what melee provides more use? All of them are situational as all hell it just depends on what situation you want to cover. The homewrecker, powerjack, third degree and yes even the Neon Annihilator all have situations they're great in. but otherwise why would you ever pull it out even at close range when you literally have a primary designed for close range?
Either Joshie (contractor for TF2) or Eric Smith replied to an email recently about the gas passer not counting enemies as wet so we might genuinely see it changed this year just like with other weapon fixes we got the past few years that were clearly bugs like the Iron Bomber hitbox.
They should add a weapon like the Booties for Pyroshark. Flamethrower replacement that gives +25 health, secondary reload on melee kill, speed boost while wet, and maybe crit resistance.
I think the Neon Annihilator would actually be good situationally with one small change: Speed boost while wet. Now it's a counter to mad milk and jarate and it works in those maps with the bad water spots because you get to boost through them as utility. Obviously it has to be faster than the powerjack to be worth it, but it'd be nice.
I tend to use this weapon often even on map that don't have a single patch of water, but it caugh ppl so off guard when they see a pyro jump at them with fire and a sushy shop sign
People also tend to panic and hop into water when on fire. So you don’t even need to airblast them to the water when they run in themselves. That’s usually where I pull this out
What if Pyro had a High Pressure, Extremely Scalding Water Gun that specializes in both breaking down buildings and pushing away enemies at the cost of replacing Airblast with a pressure Valve that sets the amount of heat and the amount of power the water makes, but if it is overcharged then the Water Pump the Pyro player is lugging around will just explode. This way, Pyro finally has something to wet enemies with.
I'm just gonna be the buzz kill 20:01 water H2O does not conduct electricity at all, it is the metals in the water that makes it kinda conductive, just like the human body has a fuck load of resistance and we don't make wires out of ham.
I personally prefer detailed spreadsheet over a tierlist, it's somehow saddening what the attention span of some human became. Thank for giving a link in the description.
Something I would find fun on top of the Gas Passer "buff" would be Guaranteed Crits when wet, that way you can get more aggressive in wet maps and pull reverse-bushwackas on dry ones
I feel like this weapon relies too heavily on the concept of "pyroshark" to really understand it. I say that because pyro rarely even USES his melee weapon. It's a backup, a tool for doing something NOT pyro related (normally). The way I (would) use it would be yes on maps that have water, but where I'm oppressive enough as a pyro that the enemy willingly jumps into it just to get away from me and shoot me from a distance. THEN, only then, do I pull out the NA and show them that it was a trap all along.
It's not a *huge* change. Getting the gas is hard enough and the crit combo is ironically not as good as the jarate + Bushwacka combo. It's serviceable and fun to nick a Kunai spy with so there's that.
@@NeonBlueLight despite it not being the biggest change, the fact of the matter is, it STILL changes how the gas passer can be used to a noticable degree
@@DarealVinbo Yeah, it's a small subtle change that makes it go from *comically bad* to at least *situational* I do think if the gas passer had a smaller holster speed increase, it might be decent to use with the Neon Annihilator. Otherwise it's more like a backstab mechanic for Pyro.
@@NeonBlueLight Yeah the gas passer arguably needs a fair cooldown reduction, and to make the Pyro spawn with a full meter for this thing to be useful still. In that event, it could be a very useful support weapon to help lock off areas (as no-one wants to go through a gas cloud in a highly-contested area) and also for crowd control situations like where the enemy team is all stacked up on the cart.
@@JeffarryLounder Me personally, the gas passer should have a weaker version of the explosion in MvM if it's attacked with Explosives or fire damage. Say maybe 40-50 damage from explosion + afterburn. And it might be worth while. Or just give an overall fire damage vulnerability, for the love of god. Being doused in gasoline's not healthy.
July 18, 2024 Patch #1 (Summer 2024 Update) -Fixed the Neon Annihilator not getting Crit-attacks when hitting players covered with gas. -Pyro-sharks now are land critters as well as sea critters.
i had a ideia of a "flamethrower" to combo with the neon annihilator, Basically, is not a flamethrower, is a waterthrower, does -50% damage, applies the water effect thing instead of after burn and have +50% holsters speed and have waterblast instead of airblast, waterblast is capable of applie the water thing with a more ranged attack, having a range equal to the stock grenade launcher and a damage with reverse fall-off 20-50 probably someone made a similar ideia before, but thats it
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I love how despite the Gas Passer not working with the Neon Annihilator, it can still extinguish enemies even though it’s a literal can of gasoline
Edit: Gas Passer good now? (No)
Valve: gas is non-conductive so sry no crits for u
Also Valve: gas is a liquid so naturally it can extinguish burning players
@@able_archer01”gas is a liquid”
@@Pike2Three minutes
@@Pike2 They are American, that's what Petrol is called there.
Fun fact, that's actually a bug. It's supposed to work with the neon annihilator but it must have been an oversight. Apparently they are trying to see if they can make it work
"There are other payload race maps besides hightower, people!"
yeah but nobody wants to play payload race, they want to play hightower. Hightower just happens to have a payload race inside of it.
Some section of the othrr plr maps are also great when you just want to get kills and ignore the objective
Banane bay still is very underrated, both as a plr map and a dm/no objective map.
tf2 fans after getting told the game has more than 6 maps
Has it ever occurred to you that you can just do funny DM while part of your team still does the objective?
How many payload race maps are there anyway? I renember in quickplay there were like three.
It only took 2 months for this one to be outdated lol. Poor Fish
Lol
what happened? gas got buffed?
@@noonehere6994 They fixed it not working with the neon annihilator.
i never realized the neon annihilator had an "unbroken" and "broken" state like the bottles
Wait what
It is a bit hard to notice, yea
@bigdapramirez6157 9:35
Dear mappers: please put more fucking water in your maps. We need more pretty coastal maps in tf2
No, water buffs soldier too much
@@d0tline468 But it's hard as hell for soldiers to accurately shoot with rockets in water, unless it's a direct hit or beggars.
@@norrecvizharan1177 It's really just hard as hell to accurately shoot in water in general
Yeah
Good news
They buffed it. Now neon annihiltor considers players doused in gas as wet.
Which apparently happened because someone gaslit valve into believing it was a bug, reporting it on github as one.
LOL
Gaslighting saves the day again
@@megagofer1020 Quite literally!
Gas passer is actually slightly useful now Its-Its UNBELIEVABLE!
2:23
Can we acknowledge how much of a bad day this guy is having
Dude somehow managed to be on FIRE and then die of electrocution because the universe claimed he was also WET at the same time
burning on the top half, wet on the bottom half
@@Aussie_Axe now I can rest. Thank you.
10:51
Can we also give a shoutout to Subnautica?
15:43 Demo trade deal:
you hit a cool airshot
but you basically get market gardened due to the extra boost the pyro gets
I thought that was a medic on your cross
honestly fair trade, you do something cool as hell, pyro does something cool, then sends you to hell
13:51 the transition to talking about a dinosaur caught me so offguard 😭
I did not expect FSOAFS to talk about the most controversial dinosaur to ever be discussed and compare that to a funny virtual item
Holy cr*p samdaman?? Hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
@@2NDSEATEROFMOTHORCOUNCIL hiii!
anyone know what game that footafe is from? :o
@@JackO_kidplosion well, he is a honorary Audi, so...
lmao tf team rly said "fuck this guy" and put out the first buff to a weapon in years
And tried to play it off as a “bugfix”
@@BluntlerWell, it basically IS a bugfix, we are just so hungry for actual weapon balancing that we think this is an intentional buff :D
@@filipkohout4704 But there was like, actual code, specifically meant to prevent it from counting as “wet”
@@Bluntlerone of the other comments said that someone gaslit valve on GitHub to make them think it was a bug
what about the Wrap Assassin? weren't there certain spots in maps where you would damage yourself if you tried to throw your ball?
I didn't know even ANKLE HIGH water makes you count as wet! This is a piece of forbidden information you shouldn't have unleashed on the playerbase. Now I'm paranoid. And it doesn't help that we don't have wetness HUD indicator.
This is why it's one of my favorites. You can surprise people with instant death!
i always wondered if this was the case glad its confirmed
Always really fun to play semi-pyroshark in the pipes of 2fort. You can jumpscare people pretty well that way.
@@xXTomokoKurokiXx A weird bug happens on 2fort where you can sometimes still krit someone with it on beaches in front of each base lol.
Considering the only ones who can take advantage of this are enemy Pyros, you pretty much don't need to worry about that.
13:08 that was really sick I’m not gonna lie. Pulling off an airblast rocket jump with the Neon Annihilator is really cool, glad you got that while recording.
Something I noticed during a lot of this footage: The neon's crit knockback is.. kind of absurd. I feel like it should have a hidden reduced knockback stat so you don't knock enemies out of melee range.
You could follow up with the shotgun
@@bruschetta7711 that violates the pyroshark code, which states that one must dedicate their playstyle to way of the shark
why in the world would you wanna make it hidden??
the problem is that enemies underwater also take significantly reduced knockback, which means that you get basically normal knockback on submerged enemies.
This only proves that Banana Bay is the best map
Upward is still better, but banana bay is definitely the most underrated
anyone remember cactus canyon? map was awesome
Using Subnautica's soundtrack was pure genius
Agree :)
yes sir
Aagreed
Yep. Noticed it immediately.
That soundtrack is amazing
If the neon and homewreaker had a reverse equalizer situation where both stats of the weapons were combined into one the neon would be a much better weapon and would actually be able to stand on its it own. However there would then be the problem of why the hell would a hammer do crits on wet players.
make a hammer with a battery attached to it (with duct tape) and powering a small shark light on the head, so it keeps that electric hazard theme and hammer theme at the same time
@@Anomalocringe a hammer with a battery attached. you mean the powerjack?
it would obviously be a neon hammer, very electric
@@Anomalocringe "a hammer with a battery attached to it (with duct tape)"
That's literally just the powerjack.
one day ago?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
3:37 lmao a guy called Urinal Enjoyer being at the receiving end of a Sydney Sleeper rampage. TF2 just has the best usernames.
Fun fact: pyro sharks use this weapon
We should make this the top comment
Damn, that's crazy
no shit /lovingly
wow
BRO REALLY????
Neon Annihilator: A Pyro Sharks best friend, and at the absolute least, better than Volcano Fragment.
Better than stock axe and third degree too
Man, pyro basically has 3 useable meeles
If the Gas Passer gets the recharge of 60 seconds or 750 damage(WHAT THE FRAK?!) for MVM mode and PVP mode Gas passer has 30 seconds and 300 damage recharge or 45 seconds and 450 damage recharge and counts as "wet" for the Neon Annihilator, that would be an immense improvement for both Gas passer and Neon Annihilator. I am of the opinion that a situational weapon at least needs to have a complementary stat or item to make use of it(Ex Jarate and Bushwaka combo would not work well if there was no Jarate), so the Neon Annihilator with my Gas Passer improvements would be good. If the Gas Passer Gasoline effect also gets very difficult to get rid of, plus "firing" modes you change by Pressing R when active that is Gasoline Cloud and Gasoline Bomb(50 damage fire attack, no damage falloff, Rocket AOE and does Gasoline Afterburn) that would make the Gas passer very good.
Sharpened Volcano Fragment and the Sun on a Stick aka RIFT items need to have some upside. I suggest alt fire does ranged fire attack. Scout gets a flare gun stats firebolt and the Pyro a Dragon's Fury Stat fireball with a meter to fill up. this simple change makes them a bit better, plus Scout gets some form of complementary stat on the SOAS to make use of it's upsides better. I also think that you start off empty and refill with 30 seconds or doing damage or when burning, holt alt fire to extinguish other players for 20HP and 10% charge. This makes both RIFT items much better then before.
Third Degree, give it 20% less damage and no random crits but the upside is hitting foes can siphon 20HP of health and overheal(as in, instead of HP on HIT, you take 20HP with every hit, AND siphons the medibeam Medic's health meaning you can do 40HP on hit) and alt fire is using your 35HP to do a minicrit damage attack. Would this make it better?
stock axe, I would make all stock melees do something. Stock Shovel and Kukri, alt fire is a meter that when holding alt fire is charged up for a minicrit swing. Stock fireaxe, alt fire is hold alt fire to charge up a meter that when full is a minicrit swing that also does afterburn. Stock Wrench is third hit does mnicrits. Stock Bat does Daze effect that lasts 3 seconds on every 4th swing and minicrits(Daze is a 20% debuff for movement speed, reload speed, rev up speed, firing speed, swing speed, switching speed) and put Daze on Sandman ball to make it better. Stock fists, on kill, gain plus 15% faster movement speed that stacks with other things(I also think a new core Class Passive called Rushing Slav where you switch from main damage dealer aka Minigun for plus 15% that stacks with other speed boosters as a upside would work well). Demoman, Stock bottle does 25HP on taunt press R to switch to a Bottle smack taunt kill, broken bottle does not give health has 30 second recharge, also Caber gets 30 seconds recharge to make it better. Medic, alt fire is a Disciplinary action mechanics injector syringe that gives 20% HP that can overheal and press R to self heal.
This was a lot of things. What do you think of this?
@@segadoeswhatnintendont don't forget the hot hand
The Volcano Fragment has an upside that actually applies on every map tho.
The Volcano Fragment has exactly 1 upside: It's the only way for Pyro to actually *Pyro* in Medieval Mode.
I think the extinction of the Spinosaurus was less because he coudn't compete with carchos and more that everything eatable starts to die out. Carchos went excintc around the same period, so I don't think they were water dependant either, at least as much as Spinosaurus.
It's just that Kem-Kem was a river-heavy place and once the water started to dissapear everything dried out and they all died. Tragic
That Spinosaurus comparison is oddly fitting given the fact the Pyroshark play style is just that of a heron and it does not thrive well outside of very wet maps.
Love that you made this then a month later they made the gas passer work with it lol.
Gas now makes an enemy wet!!!! Thank you summer update! Pyroshark is a full subclass now
4:10 Found out that the Neon IS actually supposed to crit them, but it's bugged.........so yeah.......god dammit Valve. Hurry the hell up and fix your game.
I don't see what he's saying in that clip
@@godlyvex5543 "because that weapon needed to be more useless apparently" (the gas)
it got fixed! eat your heart out.
@@onef1n1ty Finally fixed and still barely see it getting used lol.
I see it used a lot@@rockowlgamer631
I believe in part, the NA was meant to play not just with water in mind, but against a player's instinctive reaction. Fire bad, water make fire go fwsh, go to water. With that, the described playstyle of... playing Pyro makes the most sense. Especially on a spot like Pier, set someone on fire and 9/10 times they're gonna go for water if they can't heal it off or have their own pyro extinguish. Even moreso scouts and snipers extinguishing themselves, the viability can increase a lot if the pyro player has the awareness and mobility to catch them out.
Ubersaw - TF2s best consistent melee weapon. Never been garbage its entire history.
The Eyelander barely changed as well. The Powerjack changed a lot, but it has never been garbage either. The backscratcher is also an underrated, yet consistent melee option.
Yes but it's another problem. Ubersaw being so good makes every other option not worth.
Market gardener
Sure, direct upgrade (with only 1 good option to compare it to) is good
The solem vow is actually pretty good to use.
Knowing the enemy health is really good when you need to choose if to retreat or attack.
You know what would be cool? A water gun for pyro. It'd be able to extinguish teammates, spycheck, and would indirectly buff the neon.
something like a pressure washer so it can actually deal damage too, that would be dope
@@novarat4089 90%-100% damage redunction though
19:53 Man predicted the future!
Hilarious that the Neon Annihilator gets synergy with the Gas Passer just 2 months after this video
Now, in the 2024 summer update, the gas passer now counts as a liquid, making the neon annihilator now crit in it.
I understand why this exists, as flare pyros are helpless while submerged underwater. It just needs a buff to help them while active and underwater like a faster swim speed or health regen while submerged.
One of the most fun times I've ever had on Pyro was on a random weapons server on 2fort, I rolled the Neon, the tideturner, and ali baba boots. Needless to say that was Megalodon of the sewers.
20:17 also i just really like the term "instigate moist encounters"
The Neon Annihilator should also crit when the wielder is wet. Reverse bushwaking a sniper would be hilarious.
God, Fish, you are in RARE form for the comedic timing on this episode. Genuinely chuckled out loud 3 times by the time you reached the tierlist joke
10:45 a beautiful moment between two gamers. Both after the same goal, but on different colored teams.
The fact that the gas passer can't combo with the neon is absurd to me considering pyro is very much _the_ combo class.
It's even more absurd considering that Sniper has Jarate+Bushwacka, not only invalidating but reversing what is supposed to be the biggest if not only weakness of the longest range class in the game, while Pyro has one of the shortest effective ranges of all the marcs, second perhaps only to Spy, which is also arguably the weakest class in the game.
You forgot to mention the best quality of the Neon Annihilator, the guitar/bass sound that plays when using taunt 😎
It's fun finding other Pyro Sharks and chilling in the 2Fort sewer and just playing the taunt
I did _not_ expect Fish to be a paleo nerd, but I'm very happy that he is.
8:14 The Subnautica music is a nice touch, even though it's barely hearable
4:10 Welp, the Neon Annihilator is usable on any map now, wet or dry.
1:23 I felt the need to let you know I laughed audibly when you said the “shark bait ooh ahh ahh” joke
Same
The amount of maps in this video I've never even heard of is a testament to how few maps the people often play on.
No, that is a testament to how few maps YOU play on. Not others lol
@@casperryborg4869 I mean sorta? Maybe? I play on zero maps because I don’t play TF2, I consume TF2 content, so all of my knowledge comes from watching videos, and certain maps are more popular for content creation. But I suppose that my not playing on any maps does have an impact so yes, you are technically correct.
You know there is a drastic lack of water in maps when the map called "hydro" is c tier
Wait, the Neon Annihilator's a bad weapon? I never thought it was and I've seen a lot people use it? This is news to me.
How to tell someone plays to much 2fort
@@adversarry I haven't play TF2 in a long while. I thought it was common knowledge.
It’s very situational and pretty much only “useful” on maps with a lot of water, but even then you’re better off with other melees that provide more use
@@ani_star9729 see, this is my problem. Pray tell, what melee provides more use? All of them are situational as all hell it just depends on what situation you want to cover. The homewrecker, powerjack, third degree and yes even the Neon Annihilator all have situations they're great in. but otherwise why would you ever pull it out even at close range when you literally have a primary designed for close range?
@@lilsunny7399that's why the powerjack is pyro's best melee; it provides a function that is useful without having to be used as a melee weapon.
worth noting that the gas passer now DOES count enemies as being wet as of today
I haven't been as shocked since the Huo Long Heater episode.
4:05 "That one didn't age quite so well!"
No it really didn't. Wait do people still use the Gas n Paddle strategy?
With our new update,we finally got this weapon into the consistently meh,with the gas passer,we now have the sub class "pyro shark" out of water.
Either Joshie (contractor for TF2) or Eric Smith replied to an email recently about the gas passer not counting enemies as wet so we might genuinely see it changed this year just like with other weapon fixes we got the past few years that were clearly bugs like the Iron Bomber hitbox.
Woo! Buffed Gas Passer + Neon!
They should add a weapon like the Booties for Pyroshark. Flamethrower replacement that gives +25 health, secondary reload on melee kill, speed boost while wet, and maybe crit resistance.
I think the Neon Annihilator would actually be good situationally with one small change: Speed boost while wet. Now it's a counter to mad milk and jarate and it works in those maps with the bad water spots because you get to boost through them as utility. Obviously it has to be faster than the powerjack to be worth it, but it'd be nice.
5:11 the way he says "The second stage of thunder mountain" sounds really good
Good news, everyone! As of the Summer ‘24 update, the Gas Passer now makes players wet, thus allowing synergy with this thing at last.
The Gass Passer idea is brilliant, it would fix 2 weapons with one change.
I tend to use this weapon often even on map that don't have a single patch of water, but it caugh ppl so off guard when they see a pyro jump at them with fire and a sushy shop sign
"Instigate moist encounters" is a funny sentence.
WHAT HAS BRO DONE. THEY BUFFED IT
THE NEON ANNIHILATOR NOW WORKS WITH THE GAS PASSER!!!
People also tend to panic and hop into water when on fire. So you don’t even need to airblast them to the water when they run in themselves. That’s usually where I pull this out
What if Pyro had a High Pressure, Extremely Scalding Water Gun that specializes in both breaking down buildings and pushing away enemies at the cost of replacing Airblast with a pressure Valve that sets the amount of heat and the amount of power the water makes, but if it is overcharged then the Water Pump the Pyro player is lugging around will just explode. This way, Pyro finally has something to wet enemies with.
The neon + gas passer combo is true now. Unfortunately, it basically forces you to w+m1 or pybro. A small price for salvation.
But is not usseless anymore, thanks Lord.
The weapon might be bad, but there is something terrifying about turning the corner in the sewers of 2fort and seeing a neon pyro sprinting at you
the "SHARK BAIT BRUHA HA" got me ir was hilarious
The neon annihilator should be able to shock the people you hit or smth💯💯💯🥩
Stun mechanics fucking suck 💯💯💯
I love the neon as a diet homewrecker whenever there is any water on the map
8:06 Yo that subnautica music came in at a perfect time when talking about water. XD
0:25 this is the best part when le pyro said:AGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHUUUUIIIIHUUUUUUI😫😫😫😫😫😫😫😫😫
I'm just gonna be the buzz kill 20:01 water H2O does not conduct electricity at all, it is the metals in the water that makes it kinda conductive, just like the human body has a fuck load of resistance and we don't make wires out of ham.
It ain't a fish vid without some paleontology autism and I'm all for it.
That shark bait joke has to be one of your best jokes. I haven't laughed that hard in a while
make a followup video with the gas passer because it can be used in combo now
YOU use the Neon Annihilator for the memes.
I use the Neon Annihilator because I never got the Homewrecker.
We are not the same.
well, now the neon sing works with the gass passer
I personally prefer detailed spreadsheet over a tierlist, it's somehow saddening what the attention span of some human became. Thank for giving a link in the description.
THEY MADE THE GAS PASSER/NEON COMBO WORK!!!
Still bad, but the funny is somewhat possible now!
Something I would find fun on top of the Gas Passer "buff" would be Guaranteed Crits when wet, that way you can get more aggressive in wet maps and pull reverse-bushwackas on dry ones
tierlists are basically the ''can you dumb it down for me'' version of spreadsheets
I feel like this weapon relies too heavily on the concept of "pyroshark" to really understand it. I say that because pyro rarely even USES his melee weapon. It's a backup, a tool for doing something NOT pyro related (normally). The way I (would) use it would be yes on maps that have water, but where I'm oppressive enough as a pyro that the enemy willingly jumps into it just to get away from me and shoot me from a distance. THEN, only then, do I pull out the NA and show them that it was a trap all along.
This video fr needs to be revisited with the recent Gas Passer/Neon fix
It's not a *huge* change. Getting the gas is hard enough and the crit combo is ironically not as good as the jarate + Bushwacka combo. It's serviceable and fun to nick a Kunai spy with so there's that.
@@NeonBlueLight despite it not being the biggest change, the fact of the matter is, it STILL changes how the gas passer can be used to a noticable degree
@@DarealVinbo Yeah, it's a small subtle change that makes it go from *comically bad* to at least *situational*
I do think if the gas passer had a smaller holster speed increase, it might be decent to use with the Neon Annihilator. Otherwise it's more like a backstab mechanic for Pyro.
@@NeonBlueLight Yeah the gas passer arguably needs a fair cooldown reduction, and to make the Pyro spawn with a full meter for this thing to be useful still. In that event, it could be a very useful support weapon to help lock off areas (as no-one wants to go through a gas cloud in a highly-contested area) and also for crowd control situations like where the enemy team is all stacked up on the cart.
@@JeffarryLounder Me personally, the gas passer should have a weaker version of the explosion in MvM if it's attacked with Explosives or fire damage. Say maybe 40-50 damage from explosion + afterburn. And it might be worth while.
Or just give an overall fire damage vulnerability, for the love of god. Being doused in gasoline's not healthy.
"There are other payload race maps besides hightower, people!"
bold of you to assume we play Hightower for payload race
I have to say, I didn't exepct a "Ranking TF2 maps by the amount of water" tier list video.
I like how it sounds good but then you play tf2 and realize there's like 3 maps that have water.
wait the neon is a bad weapon? what will the pyro sharks think about that?
I think Pyro Sharks are currently considered an invasive species
They're responsible for the 42% decline of Spy Crab populations
20:15 "It's very difficult to instigate moist encounters"
Phrasing please
not even two months and its outdated! gas counts as wet now!
This is one of your funniest episodes. Your jokes are well timed and clever
I litterally discovered frontier had water 2 weeks
July 18, 2024 Patch #1 (Summer 2024 Update)
-Fixed the Neon Annihilator not getting Crit-attacks when hitting players covered with gas.
-Pyro-sharks now are land critters as well as sea critters.
Evolution.
They fucking buffed it holy shit
i had a ideia of a "flamethrower" to combo with the neon annihilator,
Basically, is not a flamethrower, is a waterthrower, does -50% damage, applies the water effect thing instead of after burn and have +50% holsters speed and have waterblast instead of airblast, waterblast is capable of applie the water thing with a more ranged attack, having a range equal to the stock grenade launcher and a damage with reverse fall-off 20-50
probably someone made a similar ideia before, but thats it
DUDE WE NEED AN UPDATED VIDEO LMAO
I absolutely love the Neon Annihlator and it's my main melee for my main class
4:08 i think valves logic is that people already complain about the janata bushwacka on sniper
Bro put subnautica music over a pyroshark BWA. Very clever
actually upset that you teased me with a nice, color-coded chart only to throw the meaningless tier list at me... Fair enough, i guess..
YOO THE GAS WORKS NOW
Neon Annihilator is a direct upgrade.
PS. Is that soundtrack from Subnautica that I hear?=)
2:41 not hitting that sapper on the sentry hurt