Muay Thai vs Karate Roundhouse & How To Land Both!
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I agree with several comments here ... WB's "Muay Thai" kick is used a lot by kickboxers but it's not the kick I was taught in Muay Thai. That one starts with a step in the direction of the kick, the hips roll over, and the leg swings through like a bat.
It looks like the Dutch Kickboxing style round kick
Yeah definitely how I have been taught. Turn that hip over
Also the muay thai stance is very square compared to the karate stance
IMO, we don’t see the true Thai style kicks because of the differences in stances.
You can’t really throw that Thai kick the technically correct way from a bladed stance without having a huge tell. He’s doing everything correct except opening his hips before he throws.
Having the hips squared let’s you get that hip roll that whips the leg around like a bat.
Yeah im confused about that as well cause when i go to muay thai channels the 1st thing they do is step with the lead leg, deliver the round kick cutting through the target what WB demonstrates is somewhat the tkd 45 round kick and yeah he said it right youd definetely want to watch out for the elbow hitting it with the shin or the instep would be nasty especially without the shinguards and instep guard.
As a Muay Thai fan and budding fighter it’s nice to see people educated about the execution of the correct technique. It’s also nice to learn the difference of the kick in multiple arts. I reckon Stephen was showing how you’d throw the Thai kick in a MMA fight rather than traditional Muay thai where in the former off course you wouldn’t fully turn for many a reasons. 👍
yeah if u did the traditional way you would be susceptible to takedowns
agreed , hes def talking in context of mma which honestly is preferred imo
@@austinburke8444 @Austin Burke yeah true. i dont turn my hips all the way when i spar cuz of takedowns
I bet you hate karate
You probably hate karate
That looks pretty much like a dutch style roundhouse kick. It is much easier to throw combinations with that kind of muay thai kick.
That’s not a traditional Muay Thai kick
Dutch style comes from Kyokushin.
When you learn even more through comments 🙏🏿
It's the 45 kick.
@kevionrogers2605 yes it does.
Maybe this is the beginning of a video series called "Wonderboy goes to Thailand"
These videos are surreal, I've never seen a dude that sounds like a camp counselor give such thorough and concise advice on how to do damage to people.
This is actually dutch style kick which come Kyokushin karate the up at a 45 degree angle the Thai kick they teach you to come up and back down at a downward slant
Good eye I was honestly trying to figure out why he would say it’s Muay Thai round kick. This is most definitely more suited for kickboxing as it teaches you to get your kick back down quickly so you can follow up with your hands.
yea hes doing dutch style leg kick for sure cuz the muay thai ive learned my coach always says kick with your hips and turn it over
A lot of muay thai fighters used this in the golden era.
@@siegfriedgottz698 Stop copying what people says. You don't have a coach.
@@xFaTeZzclan yea i do LOL ive been training for a year bud he was teaching the dutch style leg kick not a traditional muay thai roundhouse leg kick bud. if im repeating what everyone else says then maybe im onto something eh? wonderboy saying muay thai doesnt turn the hips into kicks is misinformation
Muay Thai roundhouse kicks always involve pivoting and more of a wide/horizontal angle. This is more of a Dutch kickboxing kick to setup boxing combinations.
I clearlt have to look up dutch kickboxing
Still effective though. If it lands on the live it is usually game over.
It's very helpful that you don't just share HOW to use the kicks but also WHEN to use them!!
As others have said looks like a very valid technique but I was also taught a Muay Thai kick more rotation. This looks a lot like how Liam Harrison throws his Leg kicks. Minimal turn because he wants to throw it quickly then start throwing hands which is exactly what Wonderboy said he used this kick for.
I don’t know Stephen I was told in Muay Thai to turn that front foot out as much as possible when kicking with as much hip into it as you can.and in leg kicks I was told to bring your knee up and strike down onto the leg?im just an amateur and you are the wonderboy tho.love your style inside and outside the cage.keep it up bruh👊
Nah you are right watch any Muay Thai fight they want to pivot the foot lots and get the hip over to get power
YEA SAME LESS OF AN UPSTRIKE ANGLE TO THE KICK AND MORE OF LIFT KNEE UP AND THEN TURN INTO THE KICK LOL
Always listen to your coaches and their Instructions This is just how I was taught and my thoughts on the technique. As with any technique no matter the style there can be many variations to a single one! I appreciate you my friend keep training hard! 👊🏼🙏🏻
It depends on your coach style if you study muay thai from different coach they have many variant
I think the major difference is that Muay Thai and MMA have different stances and spacing.
If you take a traditional Muay Thai kick and throw it from a bladed stance you first have to open/square your hips. It’s a huge tell.
This kick uses the same body mechanics, except you don’t square your hips or start in a squared stance. If he was in a squared stance this kick would look very much like the traditional Thai kick you are referencing.
First. I have been learning Muay Thai recently and learned there is a big difference between the two.
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Not only WB one of the greatest MMA fighters in the world but he is also a helluva teacher. So much awesome detail.
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When I watch these kinds of videos it feels like I’m school learning some professional shit for my career.
Thanks! Make more comparisons!
Merging the two and merging other styles is always interesting to see.
Please be cool I am only stating my opinion, I love Wonderboys input, but I simply do not agree with his interpretation on the Muay Thai kick.
In Muay Thai we’re taught to throw our kicks through the target so we do rotate our hips over. This isn’t a good representation of it. Also with enough practice the Round kick in Muay Thai while simple is still versatile. It forces you play with angles and footwork to find your head kick. I’m a South Paw and I’m always in an open stance so to say that it’s really only limited to a closed stance when there are so many notable southpaw Muay Thai fighters who kick to the body and head often successfully is false. I would say it’s actually easier as since there is more space you can create more force and power through momentum alone.
Yeah u don’t come up at a 45 degree angle and u don’t not pivot the foot, no offence but winderboy has only done karate,
You’re definitely not wrong! I appreciate different insights! Keep training hard hard my friend! 👊🏼🙏🏻🙏🏻
@@WonderboyMMA Thank you 🙏 you should definitely check out the video “He practiced one kick 10 million times” by Lawrence Kenshin. it gives a lot of insights on the Muay Thai round kick and how it could dominate when used correctly in an open stance.
This was a great video and the breakdown is very valuable. Both kicks are effective and efficient. Good to see you incorporating henka
The fight that I've been waiting for is the notorious vs wonderboy.
Thanks for sharing your karate kick so beautifully its way more technical than I thought
Thanks for hearing us out for more technique tuesdays.
These are my favorite kicks to see land in mma
Can you do the Flying Side Kick. Spin Side Kick combination? It's my favourite!
Our Muay Thai instructors typically teach the "baseball swing" style kicking with obtuse foot and hip rotation *except* for "quick kicks" - these are taught with either little rotation or a slight pre-rotation, so the rear leg (and hip) can just kinda' be lifted up and slapped at the target at an angle.
I guess we can call that a "Muay Thai roundhouse" because... well it is because of the motion of attack (rotational instead of straight driving), but I think it's a different style of roundhouse than what most people think of when hearing the term "Muay Thai roundhouse"?
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I've been finding that for lower kicks, I prefer the MT Roundhouse because it has a tonne of sideways momentum, but for high kicks, the karate roundhouse lands better because the chambering helps with the upward momentum/movement.
Yes sir! Use them both!
Call me a dreamer, ignore this comment, whatevs, but if WB was down I would love to see him put that Karate work on a solid Thai legend like Buakaw!
You throw the karate kick as we do in taekwondo
The karate roundhouse and taekwondo are the same essentially just the karate fight stance is different then taekwondo
In order to properly do a traditional Muay Thai kick, the front leg got to pivot. widen the hips to execute the kick. Especially if you're doing a cut kick.
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They do a variation of that MT style kick in Olympic style tkd because it’s easier to score points as well
Let's go WB
That 'muay thai' kick (i think) looks like the one shown on sylvie von douglas ittu's channel..sometimes called the 'golden kick',it was (again,i think) made famous by karuhat..it isn't as popular as the more commonly taught 'full power' variation,at least not anymore..(more elusive fighters like saenchai and dany bill use it too..)..heck,i may be wrong,correct me..
It was used by Thais but most westerners would know it from seeing it in Kyokushin Karate and Dutch kickboxers who used it a lot.
I got the impression that the “golden kick” comes up like this but then turns over at the end to come in at a more diagonal/horizontal angle and add extra acceleration. In the videos she had you could see they were bringing it up on a steep angle with their hips fairly square like that, but then pivoting on the support foot and changing the angle at the last minute.
@@atvanael ahh..that might well be..i'm no expert..so this might be more a dutch style kick?
I noticed on one U.K. website. There is actually a list of permitted techniques in karate competition. Sounds like quite a good idea.
The karate roundhouse kick is similar to the technique we use in taekwondo, my school is olympic style if that matters. Letting the hip and shoulder align when you chamber, and getting the knee to go past the target, as well as the front foot turning. One difference, i guess is that we would rechamber the kick and step in close to the target, from there you can throw axe kicks, pop up back kicks, or just slide back and kick.
Also just out of curiosity, does Wonderboy have experience with Taekwondo? I know he's a karate dude, but when I first saw his fights on youtube before I knew who we was I thought he was doing Taekwondo lol.
That’s because Tae Kwon Do pretty much is a style of Karate with elements of traditional Korean martial arts thrown in. It comes from Shotokan Karate.
@@hexkwondo It does, but it's branched off a bit
Thanks for the info! Those dementia patients stood no chance!
Great video!
Although, while learning and training Muay Thai, I was told the complete opposite of what you’re saying and that a Muay Thai roundhouse does in fact have you rotate your front foot and turn over your hips. That’s definitely a Dutch style kick that you’re showing.
So I would say Dutch style vs Karate roundhouse.
Not Muay Thai 😁
My teacher always told us kicking like that if you're not fast is gonna get seen so get faster before you really is it
Just here to help with the algorithm and to say I love these technique vids.
Also too many people keep repeating the same thing about the Dutch vs Muay Thai roundhouse. Yes, we get there’s a difference, but read the comments before you leave the same comment dozens already have.
I tend to use the Muay Thai kicks mostly when it comes to leg and calf kicks . When it comes to body and head kicks I use a variation between karate style kicks and Taekwondo style kicks I find that they tend to be much faster and also the average kickboxer or Muay Thai fighter has a harder time reading my kicks.
The thumbnail kicks are definitely the other way around. The muay thai one is the second one and the karate one is the first
Though one popular variant of the muay thai roundhouse is missing (check the other comments), it is still an excellent video regarding the comparison of those type of the kicks with the karate versions! Tthe Question Mark Kick is also known as the Brazilian Kick by the way, named after Glaube Feitosa used it a lot)
I was shown to pivot the front foot till it faces back ward when you land the muay thai roundhouse
Who would win in a MMA fight 1 vs 2 if both sides have the same combined weight, e.g. two fighters with 120 pound vs one fighter with 240 pound?
Can you do a video comparing Karate and Muay Thai low kicks?
In my opinion the most beautiful roundhouse kick is the kyokushin one.
The best kick is knee straight up like your karate version as if you were going for a front kick and just before the leg extends rolling the hip over and flicking a fast half power roundhouse across their jaw. I have seen it catch out so many people expecting to wear the font kick or side step it and it is a show stopper when it connects.
Hearing a Muay Thai kick as a roundhouse seems funny, it's always just been "the" rear leg kick.
so basically youre trying to apply the same way as tkd kicks roundhouse which is why you are fast when you kick
rematch Masvidal? Or either Michel Pereira or Sean Brady next? Or how about Nick Diaz? He's supposed to fight again this year, Nate, or Damien Maia also wants 1 more fight in the UFC.
Yes sensei
Hmmm thanks I used to throw Muay Thai kick with full rotation, maybe dumb idea but I polished it million times, if it hets to a target it is over, but I totally agree that if u go to the head it is very obvious.
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Loved it WB thank you sir 🙏
cool video, also you should do a video where you look at subscribers training clips
Great video!
Like many I disagree slightly with the nomenclature, as the Muay Thai one resembled more the one I was taught in Karate and vice versa, goes to show how similar the striking arts can be that a slightly different approach on each style can bring both together. Anyway great pointers on both kicks, awesome content as always.
I'm a HUUUGE fan of Stephen Thompson, we even come from a similar style so please don't get me wrong here....but thats not the kick I would call " the mauy thai roundhouse" thats an almost kickboxing interpretation of the leg kick from my view. Day 1 mauy thai ur taught about hip rotation, turning the foot, smashing through the target at a horizontal angle....that kick is definitely in mauy thai...but its not the signature roundhouse we all know XD I'm not a UFC fighter tho 🤷🏻
i agree, i learned to kick through the target and recover off spin or rebound off strike. not turning over is like a crescent kick.
A lot of thais used this kick in the golden era.
@@colorado2455 oh absolutely they did and still do yea 👌 just saying its not the "default" mauy thai kick
@@mastermantwelve some consider it the true muay thai kick.
@@mastermantwelve There is no default
STEVEN STOP SKIPPING WRESTING CLASS!
STEVEN STOP SKIPPING WRESTING CLASS!
Whatever the kick, make sure you kick the bag and not the wall. Your toes will thank you.
Hahaha true not that you should be kicking with ya toes though 😉
I get your point though and if you miss you are gunna hit your toes aha
i love wounderboii but i think he needs to go train in thai land to see a thai kick they turn the hip almost fully and they pivot on the ball on their feet
WB roundhouse is allot like the Taekwondo roundhouse. He also pivots his supportIng foot 180 degrees like TKD.
The best way I can describe both roundhouse kicks is like this. Karate's roundhouse kick is like a sharp whip. Muay Thai's roundhouse kick is like a heavy baseball bat. Both do good damage in different ways.
Thank you master
You do a taekwondo Kick ;v
I’m practicing taekwondo in Dominican Republic
That Karate Roundhouse sure looks like a Question Mark Kick to the body as opposed to the head. Similar setup at least.
Sir can u show us next video how ur workout looks like in mma
I do my karate kicks a little different. As I lift the kicking leg, I'm already rolling the hip over and turning on the standing foot. The knee is high and I wait until my hip has turned over as far as to make my knee almost pass the opponent's head. Then I snap the leg and come slightly down from above. It's all one quick motion and it's kind of a baseball bat kick, BUT with a snap. I feel it has more power than only turning the hip shortly before impact, and the fact that I delay the kick until my knee aligns with the center sometimes helps getting around a high guard.
Regarding the dutch style kick - it is effective, but I'm not a big fan of hardly turning on your foot or not turning at all. That's the type of stuff that trashes your knees in the long run, and mine are already run down from two decades of fuckin' martial arts. 😁
TECHNIQUE TUESDAY IDEA💡 : how to defend/counter leg kicks from a Muay Thai based fighter when you use a karate stance.
Would love to hear what you have to say about this one ❤️
if its a body kick use your hands and do a karate block or catch it if it s a low kick just bring your front leg up if its a head kick you block it like a punch
Muay Thai Roundhouse Kicks Are Much more of A Swing rather than Snap Kicks from Karate and Taekwondo, Karate pretty much focuses on Snapping Kicks
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I was told to followthrough with the roundhouse
Wonderboy kich different
1:40 muaythai: dont rotate hip all way over
Get closer
2:00 not pivot much on front foot
Hitting with low shin bone
2:35 little hip twist
Whipping hip /not turn it
3:00 body or head
3:15 straight up/ not around
45 degree angle/for body shot too
3:45 watch up for elbow
3:50 best time: in open stance ortho vs south
4:20 or in close stance :to leg
4:50 muaythai : harder
Its better in opene stance better /when he lean on jab
5:35 karate : knee strgt up at last mint I turn it over /not all way around /take more time
6:30 full rotation
6:35 have good shield between me and opponent
1 Shin between me and opponent
2 head far away
6:55 In muaythai head stayvin center more
7:15 if I get that shield between me and oppent I can push him /push myself
7:35 karate / question mark kick /better for fake / need better hips flex
8:20 issi doing it /queation mark
Practice both use both
Hero! This should be pinned
The true karate roundhouse, mawashi geri, strikes with the ball of the foot.
great video good sir
My (muay thai guy) taking this video:
How to throw a muay thai round kick?
-Rotate your hips all the way and explode that shin in your oponent like if you want to go through your oponent.
When to throw a round kick?
-What do you mean? All the time!
Hey wonderboy, So I learned what you call the “karate”round kick from my taekwondo instructor so does that make my kick the “Taekwondo kick” lol 😂.
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Isn't MT more squared up? That's what I was taught
yea mt your shoulder to shoulder almost with your opponent cuz you have to check leg kicks, if your angled off like in boxing or karate its a lot harder to check kicks and your only defence is to slide back which is predictable
Gotta say, this looks pretty weird to me after a couple years training Muay Thai and subscribing to several Muay Thai channels. Maybe this is how MMA folks throw it, don't know, but at least in "classic" Muay Thai as other's have pointed out - the stance is more square, and that round kick fully pivots the lead foot. There was a period when Buakaw was even choosing to rotate all the way through including his head to face perpendicular to the target to get the fullest rotation through the hips and the most power. I know Buakaw never faught MMA, but he's kind of one of the GOATs of MT, and totally dominated K1 from his first time out. Definitely seems odd that he's describing the MT kick as not rotating the lead foot much. I wonder who WB got his MT coaching from?
That a Taekwondo Roundhouse Kick, not a Karate one. Ask Sensi Seth, he covered this more then a year ago? All do respect Wonderboy...
I don't really agree with how WB describes how to throw the Thai kick. He says in Muay Thai they don't rotate the hips, but I was taught to rotate the hips so that we hit with our shin blade instead of the flat pary of the shin so that we don't break our shin
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Turning the hip over at the last moment is more of a TKD thing. Sensei Seth did a video with this TKD guy called Master Wright (his kicks are amazing btw) demonstrating.
WTF Roundhouse kicks are more Linear and Snappy which have their place where as ITF is probably more closer to Kickboxing.
Hey wonder boy got any trip tutorials for us?
Nice to see you kick the same ways I do- just yours are a LOT better lol
Man ur karate kick is thai kick and ur thai kick is karate kick lool
Sensei Stephen but that's not how my senseis teach the round kick in seidokyokushin taekwonjutsu! That's how alot of people sound in the comments smh 🤣
Thank you for this excellent video. Osu!
That doesn’t look like a muay thai round kick to me but I’ll take your word for it.
I kick like the 2nd type for maxium power but always get fucked up by people holding thai pads cos they hold em on a 45 degree angle and I dont kick like that, I kick across into the organs just above the hip like the 2nd kick in this video. Alot of Thai fighters turn their foot out and hip like the 2nd type kick as well. Its more of a speed or power option depending on what they want.
I do karate Okinawan karate and I love the other martial arts I do and in the comments it’s always about Muay Thai but what about karate and Muay Thai have y’all never tried it?
Steven my man.. What you are describing is Liam Harrison's low kick or dutchstyle round kick... Which is fkin awesome but is not a basic muaythai round kick. First of get into a squared stance then Step to the outside & pivot the leg, turn your hip over, put the shoulder forward & whip your hand back.
Btw I love both kicks(karate, muaythai), bladed & squared stance etc. It depends what is your style, preference & situation.
But yea.. Steven c'mon 😅
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Notice how he kicks from southpaw when he explains these
Stephen I think u shld rename this vid "MMA stled Muay Thai kick and the Karate kick".
Are Karate and Taekwondo kicks the same?
Taekwondo came from Shotokan Karate so the basic is pretty much the same thing
TKD kicks are flashier but totally useless in most situations.
@@masterbates6463 I mean roundhouse kick
@@Kzany42 There's both circular roundhouse like Thai style and snappy roundhouse like Shotokan in TKD but sadly modern TKD now days kinda favor the snap kick more. Check out Kwonkicker for more informations, he studied TKD back when it was still about hurting people and not foot fencing
@@masterbates6463 are usually used for competitions, if you analyze the fighter Tanh le he uses the common kicks of Taekwondo
hi stephen
He's forgetting that the Karate round house 1) loaded and 2) has a snap at the end of it.