This might be the most informative video I’ve watched on all this. When I saw the length I thought there was no way I’m watching all the way through…and then I did. Lol! Thank you so much for putting in the time to make this video.
@@BigBoyToyzz good stuff. For my usage I would have opted for the 6.2 just saying. Thanks for replying. I'm in Glendale, where it doesn't rain that much LOL
So two years later I am watching this video in my 41 foot motorhome on a F53 chasis with a GVWR of 24000 lbs and a 6 speed transmission behind the 7.3 gasser. 24000 miles on this rig and I average 8 mpg per trip. Not shabby milage using 87 octane unleaded. Did I mention oil changes are under $100.00 using 100% synthetic oil? DIY of course, cause it is an easy task even for a 73 year old. Sorry to say I must soon sell this rig as I need to make room for the 2023 F250 Lariat I just purchased to tow our 42 foot 5th wheel RV. Yes the truck has the 7.3 gasser but backed with a 10 speed transmission. I think Ford finally out did itself by producing the "Godzilla". A bit late to partake but thank you just the same for the video. Nicely done. Maybe see you on the road sometime as we pass through Arizona on our full time RV journey. Be well and take care.
I picked my 22 F350 up Oct 2 2021. Has the 7.3 and 3.73 gears. Oct 8th we took off on a 3500 mile trip pulling 6500lb travel trailer. All through Colorado on I70 to I 15 down to Zion National Park. Then down through Vegas to the Grand Canyon. The towing experience with a HD pickup vs a half ton is so much better.
I bought a 2021 f250 with 430 gear and thanks to you for steering to the truck I’ve have a ford forever and had a 2015 6.2 and after 245000 pulling a travel trailer for 90,000 or so of that Thanks For the good Unbiased reporting
I have two comments on the video. You spent a lot of time on gas mileage. I own a 7.3 also and if you buy one of these worrying about gas mileage is a waste of energy. They get what they get. Second comment. You did miss a very easy DYI. When you were talking about the tailgate you mentioned you can’t open it all the way. That is correct. The solution is simple. On the Jack post are two bolts that hold the control head in place. Remove them. Rotate the Jack head 90 degrees to the drivers side. Your buttons will be facing the drivers side. Now mark the shaft through the two bolt holes. Lift up the control off and drill your two marked spots and tap them to match the bolts. Reinstall the head in the new position and install bolts. Your gate will now open all the way. Simple.
Well… they do get what they get, but at the time of creating the video most people didn’t know what they got because this was an all new engine/trans “Tremor” package and that’s what I was featuring. As far as the jack goes… genius!!!
Another great video! I have owned RV's for 40 years now, we are currently on #6, a 21 Grand Design Reflection 303RLS. The tow vehicle is a 2021 Chevrolet 3500HD Duramax. This is the first diesel I have owned. Our last RV (2007 Winnebago Class A) had a 8.1 liter (496 CI) Chevy and Allison 6 speed. Your points about gasoline vs diesel are spot on. Our RV an 8.1 gasser got 7.4 mpg average flat towing a small SUV and the new Diesel towing 12k is getting 10.5 average and 18 mpg not towing. That said and in my opinion once you tow with a diesel you will no longer want a gasser. We live in the Sierra Mountains and frequently tow in the Sierra and Rocky's over 8 to 10k high passes. 900 plus foot pounds of torque is amazing but what is even better is downhill. Try towing down Kingsbury Grade from South Lake Tahoe into Carson City NV using the diesel exhaust brake. You will never go back to a gas engine. If you tow on mostly flat highway okay but the hill climbing is only half, going down is pretty important. You have a beautiful truck that is very capable (high transmission temps are very concerning though) of safely towing your RV, enjoy!
Not to beat the trans temp subject to death but as a retired mechanic with 40 years of on the job experience 220 degrees F is as hot as the transmission fluid should ever be. I don’t care what the manufacturer says or what type of fluid it uses. Seals start to harden and other bad things happen when ATF is that hot. Sure it will likely make it through warranty but something like a defective torque converter design is making that heat and it will cause a problem as time wears on. I know this sucks but you need to be informed.
Not just the cost for diesel fuel, but also def. Then your maintenance and repairs are astronomical. Unless you tow for a living to offset the cost, the diesel is a money pit
Long video but very helpful, thanks. And keep up the 7.3L videos! Looking to switch from a SD 6.7 diesel (which has been a great truck) to the Tremor 7.3L because I don't need the diesel any longer and only drive about 10k miles a year. Looking to simplify, add more offroad capability while retaining good towing ability and get away from the emission-laden diesels. Currently holding out to see the changes for the SD 2023 model year - hoping for similar changes like what was done on the '21 F150 interiors, along with the added features like on-board power. Hopefully by then LED headlight are finally standard. Disappointed Ford currently requires you to buy the ultimate package and then still charge over $1K for LED headlights. On a Lariat and above, LED's should be standard. Regardless, these 7.3's seem to be great trucks. Looking forward to learning more about your 7.3L experience.
I went to the dealer looking to buy a 7.3 Tremor. I don't tow now but wanted the option later. The salesman said "what are you just looking to buy lots of gas?" Since they didn't have any I checked out and was blown away by the powerboost f150 with on board generator. I've since purchased a lariat powerboost and couldn't be happier. I'm getting 21-22.5 mpg. If Ford put this electric motor technology the 7.3 it would kill the rest of the market.
just a little safety tip when I pull my trailer, or any trailer I always put a good quality hard bolt instead of that in with cheap clip to fatten it , it is pure safety , my good friend a old timer gave me that tip many years ago
Great video and appreciate the time you put into the content. The information is good and will help people looking into Tremors 250 or 350. Loving my Tremor so far. Keep it up.
Awesome vid! I have a 2021 F-250 Crew Cab with the 6.7 diesel. My payload is 2503 lbs, the trick is to get a more stripped down truck. Mine is the STX FX4 package, so not a lot of bells and whistles. It’s when you get into the Lariats and King Ranch models where your payload really drops.
Good info, sounds like you have most of the bugs worked out, one suggestion in that hot desert area would be to upgrade your rear diff cover to a ram air type to keep the rear end cooler especially when towing. Nice truck !
The Mustang 10r80 has a thermal valve that opens and closes. Im Sure the 10R140 has the same thing. We replace them with a machined spool so the thermal valve is open all the time. It helps keep things cooler, especially when paired with a lower temp engine coolant thermostat.
I want to thank you for uploading this detailed video. Awesome job!!! I am looking into a 2021 Ford F-250 Tremor and a camper trailer. I came across your video and ended up watching every second. I obtained so much information. Keep up the great content! I subscribed to you channel.
It’s not a good idea to fill the tank all the way up to the neck. Gas will get into the evap canister and cause problems over time Best practice is to stop at the click
Just one thing I did was on the hitch silencer I put it on the bottom. On top you're putting all that weight on the u bolt. Putting it underneath, all of the weight is on the receiver instead. But I do love it. Pulling the boat or empty flat bed it would rattle like a SOB... So far I'm not real happy with my truck. It's the same as yours except it's a 2022 Ultimate Lariat Tremor. The constant shifting gets annoying when your used to the diesel just locking in and pulling. I'm pulling a 36' bumper pull toy hauler.
Haha, Rita Ranch here - just ordered a 2022 Imagine 2670MK and 2022 Ford F250 7.3 Tremor. This is almost the exact setup as ours, so this provides great insight as to what to expect. And you are in the same area, so I know exactly what to expect! Thanks!!!
Great review. I had a 2018 F350 diesel SRW 4x4. I wanted the diesel for towing power and the exhaust break. We got 13 mpg towing ten thousand pounds and 18-19 mpg empty. It looks like your truck does a very admirable job uphill and down. I would not have thought the gas engine/transmission would do that good of a job. They've come a long way from the 1980s and 1990s models that I used to own. That is one long trailer! You may someday want to try a shorter model. They are more maneuverable and it is a lot easier to find campsites. To each his own. We downsized all the way down to a class B after we retired.
The payload in a 2021 GM 2500 HD crew cab standard bed with the 6.6L gas is 3760 pounds, and with the diesel it's 3560. The GVWR of the diesel 2500 is higher to make up for most of the weight of the diesel.
I’ve noticed same thing with the HD GM’s payload, it is much higher than the Ford or Rams. Ford and Ram need to to up their GVWR as well. If you are going to tow any amount of weight in a diesel, you need to look at Ford 350 or Ram 3500 because of the low payload on their 250/2500 models with the diesel.
Something to think about. If you watch the video closely, when you tighten the two nuts on your anti rattle device, as you torque it down, it is lifting the stinger up a small amount which is leaving a gap on the bottom side of the receiver. Maybe putting the device on the bottom side of the receiver will do just the opposite and pull it down against the receiver and not give it a small amount of room to move under load.
Thanks for the video. I’ve currently got a 2018 ram 3500 srw Cummins ho. About 30,000 on it now and I’m kind of attached to the truck. And I’m a Ford guy. The 7.3 wasn’t even out when I bought it but ever since, I’ve always told myself that if the emissions give me any grief that I’ll go and trade it for a tremor 7.3 no problem. Had a DEF pump go out but was replaced under warranty. Nice thing about the emissions stuff is that it’s covered for 8 years or 96,000 miles or something like that, so I’m good for a while. Now a 40 foot fifth wheel later (will be going smaller for the next camper), I have been getting caught up on 7.3 videos. Seems like the gas truck would simplify my life a bit. Worse fuel mileage, sure. But with lower cost oil changes, a transmission that doesn’t need to be serviced every 30,000 miles, and (because I try to take care of the truck) the warm ups before driving and the cool downs before shutting down. Not to mention on my way to work I’m not sure the heat ever even comes on. Gas and diesel always seem comparable where I’m at, but it’s Ca, so we just get shafted no matter what. The diesel is nice. I’ve owned probably six diesels in the last ten years…but I’m not sure if it’s worth it for me either.
witht the 5 dollar plus gas prices now no way will i get gas. we towed with a 7.3 gas and got 5mpg thats a joke .unloaded around town un loaded 12 mpg. if you tow go diesel !
Yeah Hey brother from Arizona want to say very very informative information on a very broad spectrum . I'm gonna be getting my truck in a travel trailer soon . And I want to say thank you very much for teaching me and schooling me on many things I appreciate it brother be safe be proud and be inspired.
Great video I really enjoyed it! I agree with you 100% on the gas vs diesel argument. All comes down to how much weight one tows, how often, and what their expectations of the trucks performance are. Also comes down to one’s budget and lastly just personal preference.
FYI you are using the anti-rattle upside down, the way you are using it , all the weight of the trailer is on the U bolt, if you use it the other way the U bolt keeps it from bouncing up over bumps, all the weight of the trailer is on the hitch not the U bolt, the same for your bike rack.
I have an extended equalizer shank from equalizer company which allows the tailgate to be clear. It also helps with backing and forward turns for rv truck clearance.
These are the numbers I get with my 2021 F350 7.3L. I don’t think you can beat this new engine. Lots of off the line torque, plenty of HP, and sounds like a boss when you get on it.
Looking at a 4:30 gear set on one. Jjst need a bigger truck to pull a 33 foot TT coming in at 8200 pounds. My current Silverado CC 5.3 will do it bit the tongue hangs out. Don't think I'd wanna go interstate with the setup.
I'm averaging 11.6 over 4k miles tracked pulling 40ft fifth toy hauler weighing around 17k with a 21 F-450. I've owned a number of big block, forced induction gas motors and diesels. Diesels always win when it comes to tow experience, mileage and longevity. I'm impressed with the 7.3 but mostly with the 10 speed which help both the gas and diesel motors. As long you are happy and it gets you where you need to be - go for it.
You are so right, there are many advantages to owning a diesel. Everyone likes what they like but there is a reason there are so many million mile diesel trucks on the road.
Thanks for this Video and the explanation of the TREMOR package. I'm looking at a tow vehicle the CP4 fuel pumps for the diesels are scaring the heck out of me. I think the big gas is the way to go for me. This is the first time I've ever seen someone show how to set the spring bars up. Again thanks alot.
I bought a Genkins 4500 watt inverter, it was a few hundred dollars cheaper than the predator I can get roughly 10-11hrs on it running my travel trailer money well spent .
It's ironic - a diesel that can pull/haul more than a gas engine. But the gas engine can very much handle all of the weight that the truck is allowed and engineered to have. AND... the diesel takes up 1,000 lbs off of the top of your payload. It seems like a very heavy trailer with little in the bed of the truck a diesel would favor. But if you used a Camper or something heavy in the truck, you'd be better off with the gas engine. It seems like a 10 speed tranny makes it so that the 4.30 rear end gives you all of the advantage of the low rear gears and NO disadvantage... go 10 speed tranny!
If I had to replace my truck anytime soon, I would definitely consider an F350 SRW 4x4 with the 7.3 and 4.30 gears. I would probably opt for the long bed crew cab for a bigger fuel tank. The Tremor package is pretty cool though.
Great video I like watching your video because you like your truck so much. I learned some stuff I didn't no especially the generator information. My wife wants a camper now I do aswell maybe something we get soon. They say filling your gas up all the way screws up your evap system. I don't know how true that is. Thanks for the road trip.
Great video!!! I have a Grand Design Transcend similar to yours. I’m looking to upgrade my truck to a F250. You sold me on the tremor. You are very knowledgeable and meticulous in the video. You answered all my questions and more! I never comment on videos so you know you did a good job… lol oh and I subscribed as well.
Jordan, great video. Just a correction on what you said about F250 diesel‘s. you mentioned that having a diesel minimizes your payload capacity, or an 1800 to 1900 pounds while yours has over 2900 pounds. Just for the record, I have a 2021 F250 lariat and my payload is 2825lbs The F350s are much higher as well so I think you might want to check that data. We bought our truck to pull our fifth wheel 33 footer and I’m glad we got the diesel for that extra power for where we live. Your Tremmor looks awesome btw..
I was a little low on the numbers, but the diesel does lower your payload by the weight difference between the gas and the diesel engine. Every option over a base model will. If you have two of the same trucks and one has leather and one doesn’t, the leather equip truck will have a slightly less payload because the leather weighs more than the cloth. Thanks for watching by the way!
Great tips. I used the same WDH on my 2015 Bullet Premier 36’ TT. It provided excellent sway control. The only sway that could be felt was the vacuum effect when being passed by semi’s. Very clean and easy to use system. I would place a small zip lock bag over the greased ball or when wearing a latex glove, grab the ball with the gloved hand and remove it, transferring it onto the ball. Keeps things nice and clean. I also noticed that you didn’t install the retaining pins over the bar ends once installed. Not sure if they are missing or you just left that part out of the video.
I had almost 1mpg better with my 7.3 when I had my kayaks on top of my truck because it was breaking up the wind before it hit the parachute on the front of the rv. Hand calculated of course.
You’re still using the mileage from the truck to “hand” calculate. To really omit the truck’s computer, you’d need to GPS the mileage from fill up to fill up. Then calculate it to see if that plays a factor. You may find a couple of miles per gallon difference. You’re already seeing two tenths difference.
Brother Thank you for your video , it was explained very good you had great input into what was a going on up and down the hill . I comen you on explaining and brakes showing what the temperature and speed . so thanks, it was great traveling with you guys, many thanks. a watcher of your videos.
My 2021 E350 cutaway van with the 7.3 gas motor at 70 is around 2,500 rpm. It has the 6 speed transmission with 4.56 gears 😱. I average about 11.4 mpg on the van converted to a camper. The at 55 mph it will sometimes get 12.8 mpg.
I’ll never understand GVWR. I owned a dump trailer with tandem 7k axles and the GVWR was 9990lbs. I looked at a 8.5x16 cargo trailer today with tandem 3500lb axles with a 9990 GVWR. And a 7x16 cargo trailer by the same manufacturer, sitting side by side, it had tandem 3500lb axles with a 4500lb GVWR. You’d think the GVWR couldn’t exceed the axle rating and the smaller trailer would have more GVWR with the same axles as a larger trailer🤷🏻♂️ Automobiles are no exception.
i have been very curious about the 7.3 in. 3/4 ton. Thanks for all the Info. I have a 2020 F250 diesel with the high capacity tow package. This package adds an additional 800# to GVWR. Standard 3/4 ton will have a 10000# GVWR. The high capacity tow package increases this to 10800#. This is both good and bad. Good because it gives me 3166# payload with a diesel 3/4 ton. (Diesels have about 500# weight penalty). Bad because it puts it I we the 10000# GVWR which, in many states, places it in the commercial category. In Texas this is the case and, if you are pulling a “vehicle” with a GVWR of over 10000#, you are required to have a class A or B drivers license. Dodge:Ram does not have a 3/4 ton option that increases GVWR over 10000#. However GM/Chevy does have 2 options. The highest is a 11350# GVWR for the 3/4 ton. I was curious about the 4.30 rear end. After watching your video I think the 4.30 is a perfect rear end for the gas engine with the 10 speed. In my opinion that rear end gets the rpm’s too high for a diesel. I have a 3.31 rear which is the perfect rear for the diesel with the 10 speed in my opinion. At 70 mph the tach shows 1519 rpm. The 10 speed provides a great balance for towing. On my F250, in the rear, there are 4 springs plus the overload spring (5 total). That is the standard setup for the high capacity towing package. I believe the standard F250 has 4 springs total??? We have a momentum 21G. Typical trip weight is about 8500#. Tongue weight is generally 1250/1300#. The frontal area of the momentum is almost 20% more than a traditional bumper pull. Amazing the difference this makes towing. We just returned from a 4 week trip where we put 4200 miles on the trailer. We averaged between 8.5 and 10.5 mpg while towing depending on factors like mountains, headwind… As far as diesel prices…at truck stops they inflate the diesel price. If you have a “fleet” account you will always get a discount. I find diesel about $0.10 more per gallon than gas on average. We had a 1 ton Chevy Express with the 6.0. With normal driving (not towing) We averages about 13/14 mpg. With out F250 we average 17/18 mpg. So the extra fuel cost is, essentially, a wash. Also oil change intervals are about 10000 miles with diesel and 5000 miles with gas. Almost a wash in maintenance cost as well. DEF does add some additional cost. And, overall, a diesel will h e higher maintenance costs than gas, just not as much as what some are saying. In my opinion there are advantages and disadvantages to diesel and gas engines. One is not a clear winner - they just serve different purposes and provide options for different preferences. I’m super happy Ford came out with the 7.3 gas. I think that’s a fantastic option that only enhances the truck market.
Heyo, I have a 2020 F250 tremor as well! Ive been watching videos cause I just got it a few months ago. But you mentioned how the display MPG was never correct, heres a video on how to correct the calculations if you haven't already. You just need to do some hand calculations to find a calculation variable and change it in engineering mode.
Really good and informative video. I applaud you sir. I am looking at getting a F350 with the 7.3 in it. The towing numbers are similar with the tremor and non-tremor. I just want the higher payload of the 350. But I have also been looking at the Chevy 2500HD 6.6 gasser as well.
Nice truck! I love the white trucks with blacked out wheels! I am patiently waiting for my 2022 F250 (non tremor) to at least get a build date! lol. And that's interesting, I didn't realize the 250 and the 350 tremor were both the same... makes me wonder if there is a difference then in a regular 350 vs the tremors. Also, FWIW, if you are going with a non tremor truck, you can still get your payload up pretty good even with a diesel in an F250. I added the snow plow/camper package and the HCTT package, which based on other trucks I have seen, should give me around a 2800 - 2900 lb payload! The HCTT package puts the Dana M275 rear axle and the extra leaf spring and sway bar in the rear, and the snow plow/camper package will put the largest/heaviest front springs in. At this point, it's really no different from a normal base 350, but just like the tremor 250, it's derated simply because it's a 250 and not a 350. And yeah, I chose diesel for the better gas mileage (diesel is about $0.07/gallon higher than 87 gas here where I'm at) and for the raw power. I'm not knocking the gas by any means, but we will soon be hauling in the western mountains almost exclusively since we will be travel working! I do expect the diesel prices to increase once we start that though... lol! We put our bike rack on the back of our camper too, but used the Mount-N-Lock struts to provide more support to the back bumper. Pretty simple to install and inexpensive. Although, I wish I had (and knew how to use) a welder! Also, as I understand it, there are a few bike racks that are approved for use on the back of an RV, but the vast majority are not. However, this is because the rack itself (typically where the bikes mount) is not able to stand up the the abuse that the rear end of an RV puts them through, which is considerably more than what the back end of a vehicle will submit them too. I was watching a video the other day from No Ordinary Path and their bike rack broke while traveling down the road, but it was at the welds on the actual rack, not at the hitch. So be sure to keep an eye on the rack itself if you put many bikes on it or use it often on the back of the RV. The listed weights on my camper includes 2 full 20 lb propane tanks and the batteries. Most all others that I have seen also includes these... maybe different companies list them different though? And I am going to have to upgrade my WDH with a 2" shaft since my F250 will come with a 3" receiver (another perk to adding the HCTT package!). The Anderson WDH is much lighter and can be purchased with a 2, 2.5 or even a 3" shaft! And I never had good luck with those stabilizers that reduces the rattle... every time I tightened mine down it would be loose by the time I got to the campground. I eventually just gave up on it. Great job on the generator, I almost got the Predator 3500 too! I couldn't see spending the money for the Honda or the Yamaha... however, I did go with the Champion 3400 dual fuel inverter generator. Before ordering my F250 we were pulling with a Pathfinder so didn't want to carry fuel inside the vehicle. Since getting the Champion we have only used propane and it's been great. We also installed 600 watts of solar, added 315Ah of LiFePO4 batteries and a Victron Multiplus inverter charger. That has been a huge game changer for us! We don't even need the generator anymore unless we plan to run the AC all day... I added the tailgate step on my F250! My wife is only 5'2" so it will come in handy, but yeah, when hooked up to the camper it won't work. We rented a F250 last year and I can't remember if the tailgate will sit all the way down when hooked up or not... I'm thinking it did, but at that point the step wouldn't be useful though. I am thinking about those Amp side steps too so that we could get into the front of the bed easier. Once we get the Anderson hitch it will be light enough to just pull the whole hitch out pretty easily and quickly though. Also, is that the Ford branded folding tonneau cover, or did you get it aftermarket? I added the Ford hard folding tonneau to my order to and was wondering if it is just a rebranded Bakflip. Good to hear that you like the Tire Minders. I used a Bella Corp TPMS system for 3 years and it was horrible. I switched over to the Tire Minder system this year but have only gotten to use them on 2 trips since we are waiting for our truck to come in. As for the China Bombs... I have always seen this term as more of a indicator of the person towing rather than the tire itself. Most folks towing simply overlook their tires and neglect them. Not many can actually tell you what their current PSI is in each tire, or what the sidewall even recommends. let alone actually take time to inspect them between or during a trip. However, running these ST tires with low psi is almost guaranteed to cause a blow out, especially when folks are driving so fast on them. Most ST tires are only rated at 65 mph. I know the GY Endurances like you have are rated a little higher, but I have still heard that due to design, over 65 is not a good thing for any ST tire... Folks need to worry about maintaining their tires rather than the name on the side wall... I have seen lots of posts with blown GY Endurance tires too, including one that only happened a couple of miles from the ship where they were installed. No tire is perfect. In my research, I have found that the Maxxis 8008's, while not perfect, are some of the best, and this is over a number of years of use. The GY Endurance tires are still relatively new, and while made in the US, from what I understand, they are still made with Chinese rubber... lol. Also, I did a little math with the gas vs diesel prices... As I mentioned above, last year I set out on a 4200 mile road trip in a rented F250 with 3.31 gears and a 6.7 motor, pulling our (measured) 5700 lb travel trailer. The truck had 52 miles on it when I picked it up, and on the home stretch with the camper hooked up we weighed in at 13,640 lbs. This included about 600 lbs of passengers, about 150 lbs of cargo and around 600 lbs of tongue weight distributed on a WDH. We started in MS, hit I40 in Memphis, TN, then stayed on it through AR, OK, and then to Amarillo, TX. From there we headed north into NM, CO, WY and then back east into SD and finally back south through IO, MO, TN and back to MS. The camper was attached for 3,756 of those miles, and overall we averaged 11 mpg. However, the entire time we were on I40 we were sitting pretty at 12.5 mpg. Once we started heading north and hitting some real climbs and a good bit of headwinds in CO the mpg dropped slightly. By the time we were leaving WY we were near 11 mpg with the camper hooked up. We sat there the rest of the trip, averaging 68-70mph on cruise. Thisbecause becausejustable to travel 425 miles. This actually comes to $0.42/mile for the gas and $0.28/mile on diesel. Yes, I get that the diesel engine is an extra $7700 up front (based on invoice pricing), and I'll admit, it will take a looooot of miles to make up that difference.... however, on the road, everyday, the difference can also be seen at the pumps... and if you do the math, it's actually in favor of diesel. Not too mention, I liked having the longer intervals before needing to fill up that the diesel allowed for those longer stretches without so many gas stations to choose from. On our trip when hooked up to the camper, we would start looking for the best place to refill around 325 miles of travel and most times when refilling would still easily have 1/4 tank or more. I do appreciate this video though. I really appreciate all of the effort you put into it and all the stuff you shared. It's not common to see a lot of this and I think anyone on the road, especially towing should be aware of these things. I will also say that it confirmed my thoughts on the 7.3 vs 6.7... I also loved seeing the country side in your videos. I haven't been out that way since June of last year and I can't wait to get back out there... it's so beautiful! I still haven't had a chance to go to the Grand Canyon, but it is in our future! I am hoping that our truck is built by Christmas of this year... lol!s
Wow Chad, best and most informative comment I've ever seen on RUclips, and you did it in my channel! I hope you're a subscriber so I can look forward to hearing from you again. Appreciated it!
@@real-j-anderson I did. I ordered May 24th and it arrived on the dealers lot September 23. I brought it home September 24th, so 4 months exactly. I ended up removing the UTT package to help get it picked up sooner. I really wanted the 360 cameras though… that’s the only thing I don’t have on the truck I wanted. Everything else is awesome! Also, I ended up removing the tonneau cover and the console safe. I removed anything “aftermarket” on my order so that when it rolled out the factory doors it was ready to ship to the dealer instead of somewhere else for more parts. As it turned out, I got the actual tonneau I wanted for less than what Ford was charging anyway, plus that was an extra $1000 I didn’t have to add to the overall finance price of the truck.
I did a lot of calculating of added cost vs fuel mileage on a Diesel vs Gas and it did not add up to buy Diesel. The initial price difference was around $8000-10,000 Diesel vs Gas then the fuel was .30-.50 cents more for Diesel. The normal oil changes cost much more for Diesel than Gas engines. My 2010 F-250 with 6.8 V-10 gets 8.6 MPG towing my 32ft Fifth wheel that weighs 12,000 LBS loaded. Honest Diesel owners get 13-15 MPG towing It was going to take a long time to pay for the Diesel engine. Plus newer Diesels require DEF fluid so that needs to be added into cost of fuel also. Yep the turbo Diesels pass me like I'm sitting still on the hills but I smile all the way to the BANK.
Also, I'm not sure, but I mount my Anti-Rattle bracket with the bolts and plate DOWN. That "holds the hitch down", as I understand. I'm 2 yrs late to this video, so maybe you you've changed. :)
No way with gas, Diesel all the way! Ram 3500 HO 1050 torque. 4010 lbs payload capacity, 11.2 MPG pulling my 9000LB Airstream from NJ to CA. 3500 is the big boy toy. Will last a lot longer and worth every penny. Those are the facts!
I think in this video he just proved you don’t need a diesel to do what he is doing. But if you do choose gas the only option is the 7.3l. The Chevy and Dodge gassers don’t have the power
@@dougmatheny854 I live in Arizona as well my only concern is how will this truck hold up over 300-400k towing threw these mountains but not only on the 17 but also the 40 in Arizona or surrounding states. A bit torn between the mountains and heat. I think that may be the biggest trailer I’d haul with that truck with all the mountains. Just torn I’m a trucker as well and very familiar with the emissions issues diesels can have. Diesel just seems it’s due better over the years with these conditions
A modern diesel with particulate filter, turbo, high pressure fuel rail, DEF systems, etc will last longer than a naturally aspirated, cam in block, gas v8??? Highly doubtful.... Today's diesels aren't what they used to be...
I had always heard it pronounced Cor-des Junction....not "chords". The big grade prior to Cordes Junction has always been a tough one. My folks used to haul us kids up to Flag for camping in the 1975 C20 (Truck camper package) with a 454 and truck camper....8 mpg on flat ground!
Hilarious how the youtube crowd expects EXACT numbers, EXACT advise, EXACT everything... why don't you punks go make your own damn video so the EXACT information is out there.. Just becauses this dude puts something out in the universe doesn't mean it's going to be PERFECT... did you get something out of this video??? I'll be you did!!! LEAVE IT AT THAT...
Great video! I tow a bit smaller & lighter, and with a 16 Expedition. I have the same hitch and one thing I noticed on your hitch is that those bars might be lose. Those 2 huge bolts on the hitch can be torqued down to 150 lbs. Mine wasn't even as easy to move as yours before I tightened them but when I brought it up it made a HUGE difference with sway on the highway. Also good on you doing those tires. I just came back from a 500 mile trip, had factory Trailer King on first half and then swapped for the Goodyears and that made it ride better, smoother, and tracks better. Last thing - Can't tell but those bars might not be parallel with the frame and might be able to be adjusted. Doing that will also cause it to handle a bit better. Is your hitch really loud? Mine is.
Thanks, I’ll check the hitch out too make sure all the s good. The hitch is only loud when I’m making turns, pops and squeaks which is normal when the weight distribution bars are rubbing against the brackets for friction.
I have a 2020 f350 4door long bed with 4.30s. I tow a 413 raptor with stuff and golf cart 27k with truck. I run 8th gear locked out at 65-68 2600 rpm giv or take
Check your actual miles traveled with a gps device. Most speedometers are calibrated at around 60mph. They are allowed some leeway, usually 5%. This will affect your mpg calculations if you just base it off the dash reading. I have checked every vehicle I own, including two motorcycles and they all are off a bit at different speeds.
I just ordered a 2022 250 7.3L with 4:30 gears. Two sales associates at two separate dealerships tried to tell me the 4:30 would kill my MPG, and I'd be lucky to get 8MPG with them. They also told me they couldn't sell at less than MSRP, but I got mine for $250 over Invoice, so why would I believe anything they said? Thanks for the great videos.
@@dp5430 $2250 below MSRP. If I had been more aggressive with the sales associates by telling them about the discounts other dealers had offered me, I might have gotten down to invoice, but considering the current market I’m pretty happy with where I ended up.
F350 has 1000 lbs more payload approximately than the F250. They are NOT the same truck. Same engines but the payload capacity of the F350 makes it more capable for pulling heavier loads. This 3/4 vs 1 tons
Normal F250 vs F350 yes. But did you hear me say they are the same trucks when outfitted with the Tremor package? The only difference is the payload sticker and the emblem that says F250 or F350. AGAIN this is for Tremors only.
Excellent Video Great Explanation and your right on preditor Excellent generator I'm curious how big your fuel tank is,I'm a diesel owner here in Phx AZ except Mines even worse on dot LOL F450 test drove a Tremor loved it but your right hard to find been thinking tho maybe future my toyhauler is a 26ft custom dune sport about 8000 dry with machine inside my max is 14,000 so I'd be good great gear ratio I have that in my 450 but a 6 speed,KEEP UP GREAT VIDEOS 👍👍👍
Thankyou so much for the very informative video. I am looking to purchase a new Truck to haul my classic cars. I will be towing 8-10,000lbs. I think I have just decided. Now if I can find one in stock.
My Raptor gets the same mpgs pulling a 9200lb travel trailer, no squat with sumo springs and before wdh. Love the content and I was curious on the 7.3mpg towing in real life situations.
What were tire temps? Yeah, 15,000-20,000lbs vs TT 80,000 lbs... yup, it takes a bit to climb the grades for TT's Lol! Looks like a great ride! Thank you for the info.
I don’t have a curt I have a e2 fastway hitch and I get way closer than that when I install my bars and there is no rattling noise on my hitch like I said I don’t have a curt but it seems to me your bolts are not tight when I adjust my hitch head I need to torque my bolts to 240 ft pounds and I take my measurements on the front of the truck so let me know if the curt is designed to have bolts lose. Thanks for sharing, also I’m looking for a F250 lariat.
Really helpful video, thanks. I have a similar truck setup on order, and my only concern is access to gas while towing the rig, and limited range. How are you determining gas RV friendly stations, and do you carry extra gas in the truck bed?
I do carry a five gallon can of gas but that’s really for my invertor generator. If I needed it though it would definitely be going in the truck. As far as fueling stations… 90 percent of the time it’s very easy as most highway stations have RV fueling station which have gas and diesel. Other than that I just use the far outside right pump for regular station and I’ve been fine.
Good stuff but still waiting for that unloaded 70-75 mph highway mpg loop. I wanna get a new truck in a year and I’m split between an F150 and a gas F250. I’m not towing anything now but I do keep my trucks for a long time and may need extra towing/payload capacity later. So whenever you get a chance, thanks!!
I will give you my experience you will get 6 to 7mpg better in the 150 over the 250 unless you go with the new powerboost which I don’t have experience with just what I’ve seen on RUclips. If you don’t get a loaded up 150 you can be rt around 1900-2000lbs in payload which is good. The big advantage which you said you are towing currently but is towing travel trailers or bigger enclosed trailer. The 250-350 just weighs more and is more stable. The ecoboost is fantastic and can pull a lot but again payload is your enemy. I had the older EB tuned traded it in with 120000 and the only issue was an O2 sensor. The second one sold at 75000 got a company truck. They are great trucks just bigger wind sail type trailers are a half tons downfall. Good luck
Joe Sainato thanks Joe. Yeah my current is a 2012 Eco with the 5.5 bed so plenty of xp with the 150. Had a 2500 Duramax before that, but that was a waste and never really used it to its full potential so I downgraded to a more civilized F150 when I “grew up”. That Powerboost is looking really nice but the trade off from the non hybrid 3.5 Eco is the smaller fuel tank and a little less payload, towing and hwy mileage.
i don't need a truck yet, few years still. but i have a hard time thinking about getting rid of the raptor, but i think the tremor might ease that transition. eventually i'm gonna need more towing capacity than f150, especially the raptor, provides.
This might be the most informative video I’ve watched on all this. When I saw the length I thought there was no way I’m watching all the way through…and then I did. Lol! Thank you so much for putting in the time to make this video.
Glad it was helpful! I had to edit it down from 4 hours lol!
@@BigBoyToyzz good stuff. For my usage I would have opted for the 6.2 just saying. Thanks for replying. I'm in Glendale, where it doesn't rain that much LOL
So two years later I am watching this video in my 41 foot motorhome on a F53 chasis with a GVWR of 24000 lbs and a 6 speed transmission behind the 7.3 gasser. 24000 miles on this rig and I average 8 mpg per trip. Not shabby milage using 87 octane unleaded. Did I mention oil changes are under $100.00 using 100% synthetic oil? DIY of course, cause it is an easy task even for a 73 year old. Sorry to say I must soon sell this rig as I need to make room for the 2023 F250 Lariat I just purchased to tow our 42 foot 5th wheel RV. Yes the truck has the 7.3 gasser but backed with a 10 speed transmission. I think Ford finally out did itself by producing the "Godzilla".
A bit late to partake but thank you just the same for the video. Nicely done. Maybe see you on the road sometime as we pass through Arizona on our full time RV journey.
Be well and take care.
Thank you sir for the kind comments.
I agree, weight distribution hitches are a must for tow behinds.
That truck you have there is a diamond my friend. White with black wheels is the shit.
I picked my 22 F350 up Oct 2 2021. Has the 7.3 and 3.73 gears. Oct 8th we took off on a 3500 mile trip pulling 6500lb travel trailer. All through Colorado on I70 to I 15 down to Zion National Park. Then down through Vegas to the Grand Canyon. The towing experience with a HD pickup vs a half ton is so much better.
I bought a 2021 f250 with 430 gear and thanks to you for steering to the truck
I’ve have a ford forever and had a 2015 6.2 and after 245000 pulling a travel trailer for 90,000 or so of that
Thanks For the good Unbiased reporting
I have two comments on the video. You spent a lot of time on gas mileage. I own a 7.3 also and if you buy one of these worrying about gas mileage is a waste of energy. They get what they get.
Second comment. You did miss a very easy DYI. When you were talking about the tailgate you mentioned you can’t open it all the way. That is correct. The solution is simple. On the Jack post are two bolts that hold the control head in place. Remove them. Rotate the Jack head 90 degrees to the drivers side. Your buttons will be facing the drivers side. Now mark the shaft through the two bolt holes. Lift up the control off and drill your two marked spots and tap them to match the bolts. Reinstall the head in the new position and install bolts. Your gate will now open all the way. Simple.
Well… they do get what they get, but at the time of creating the video most people didn’t know what they got because this was an all new engine/trans “Tremor” package and that’s what I was featuring. As far as the jack goes… genius!!!
Wow you are a smart family. Lot of prep and details into each thing. I loved the white truck.
Thank you so much!
Another great video!
I have owned RV's for 40 years now, we are currently on #6, a 21 Grand Design Reflection 303RLS. The tow vehicle is a 2021 Chevrolet 3500HD Duramax. This is the first diesel I have owned. Our last RV (2007 Winnebago Class A) had a 8.1 liter (496 CI) Chevy and Allison 6 speed. Your points about gasoline vs diesel are spot on. Our RV an 8.1 gasser got 7.4 mpg average flat towing a small SUV and the new Diesel towing 12k is getting 10.5 average and 18 mpg not towing. That said and in my opinion once you tow with a diesel you will no longer want a gasser. We live in the Sierra Mountains and frequently tow in the Sierra and Rocky's over 8 to 10k high passes. 900 plus foot pounds of torque is amazing but what is even better is downhill. Try towing down Kingsbury Grade from South Lake Tahoe into Carson City NV using the diesel exhaust brake. You will never go back to a gas engine. If you tow on mostly flat highway okay but the hill climbing is only half, going down is pretty important. You have a beautiful truck that is very capable (high transmission temps are very concerning though) of safely towing your RV, enjoy!
Not to beat the trans temp subject to death but as a retired mechanic with 40 years of on the job experience 220 degrees F is as hot as the transmission fluid should ever be. I don’t care what the manufacturer says or what type of fluid it uses. Seals start to harden and other bad things happen when ATF is that hot. Sure it will likely make it through warranty but something like a defective torque converter design is making that heat and it will cause a problem as time wears on. I know this sucks but you need to be informed.
Not just the cost for diesel fuel, but also def. Then your maintenance and repairs are astronomical. Unless you tow for a living to offset the cost, the diesel is a money pit
Tremor is a fitting name as that's exactly what it does every time a GM truck passes it by! lol
Ha ha, love it!
@@BigBoyToyzz Sorry I couldn't resist! Thank You for your service!
Long video but very helpful, thanks. And keep up the 7.3L videos! Looking to switch from a SD 6.7 diesel (which has been a great truck) to the Tremor 7.3L because I don't need the diesel any longer and only drive about 10k miles a year. Looking to simplify, add more offroad capability while retaining good towing ability and get away from the emission-laden diesels. Currently holding out to see the changes for the SD 2023 model year - hoping for similar changes like what was done on the '21 F150 interiors, along with the added features like on-board power. Hopefully by then LED headlight are finally standard. Disappointed Ford currently requires you to buy the ultimate package and then still charge over $1K for LED headlights. On a Lariat and above, LED's should be standard. Regardless, these 7.3's seem to be great trucks. Looking forward to learning more about your 7.3L experience.
I went to the dealer looking to buy a 7.3 Tremor. I don't tow now but wanted the option later. The salesman said "what are you just looking to buy lots of gas?" Since they didn't have any I checked out and was blown away by the powerboost f150 with on board generator. I've since purchased a lariat powerboost and couldn't be happier. I'm getting 21-22.5 mpg. If Ford put this electric motor technology the 7.3 it would kill the rest of the market.
just a little safety tip when I pull my trailer, or any trailer I always put a good quality hard bolt instead of that in with cheap clip to fatten it , it is pure safety , my good friend a old timer gave me that tip many years ago
Great video and appreciate the time you put into the content. The information is good and will help people looking into Tremors 250 or 350. Loving my Tremor so far. Keep it up.
Thank you!
Awesome vid! I have a 2021 F-250 Crew Cab with the 6.7 diesel. My payload is 2503 lbs, the trick is to get a more stripped down truck. Mine is the STX FX4 package, so not a lot of bells and whistles. It’s when you get into the Lariats and King Ranch models where your payload really drops.
Good info, sounds like you have most of the bugs worked out, one suggestion in that hot desert area would be to upgrade your rear diff cover to a ram air type to keep the rear end cooler especially when towing. Nice truck !
The Mustang 10r80 has a thermal valve that opens and closes. Im Sure the 10R140 has the same thing. We replace them with a machined spool so the thermal valve is open all the time. It helps keep things cooler, especially when paired with a lower temp engine coolant thermostat.
Thanks for the info!
I want to thank you for uploading this detailed video. Awesome job!!! I am looking into a 2021 Ford F-250 Tremor and a camper trailer. I came across your video and ended up watching every second. I obtained so much information. Keep up the great content! I subscribed to you channel.
It’s not a good idea to fill the tank all the way up to the neck. Gas will get into the evap canister and cause problems over time
Best practice is to stop at the click
Just one thing I did was on the hitch silencer I put it on the bottom. On top you're putting all that weight on the u bolt. Putting it underneath, all of the weight is on the receiver instead. But I do love it. Pulling the boat or empty flat bed it would rattle like a SOB... So far I'm not real happy with my truck. It's the same as yours except it's a 2022 Ultimate Lariat Tremor. The constant shifting gets annoying when your used to the diesel just locking in and pulling. I'm pulling a 36' bumper pull toy hauler.
Great advice on the u-bolt!
Haha, Rita Ranch here - just ordered a 2022 Imagine 2670MK and 2022 Ford F250 7.3 Tremor.
This is almost the exact setup as ours, so this provides great insight as to what to expect. And you are in the same area, so I know exactly what to expect!
Thanks!!!
Very nice!
I pass that campground every day. Always wondered what it looked like back there. Much bigger than I thought. Cool aerial footage.
If I had a dollar for every time you said... "real quick"... I could buy the truck LOL good stuff thanks for posting...
Ton of useful information!!! Covers everything from A to Z. Free $500 class on how to tow correctly. I learned a lot! Thanks
Great review. I had a 2018 F350 diesel SRW 4x4. I wanted the diesel for towing power and the exhaust break. We got 13 mpg towing ten thousand pounds and 18-19 mpg empty. It looks like your truck does a very admirable job uphill and down. I would not have thought the gas engine/transmission would do that good of a job. They've come a long way from the 1980s and 1990s models that I used to own. That is one long trailer! You may someday want to try a shorter model. They are more maneuverable and it is a lot easier to find campsites. To each his own. We downsized all the way down to a class B after we retired.
The payload in a 2021 GM 2500 HD crew cab standard bed with the 6.6L gas is 3760 pounds, and with the diesel it's 3560. The GVWR of the diesel 2500 is higher to make up for most of the weight of the diesel.
I’ve noticed same thing with the HD GM’s payload, it is much higher than the Ford or Rams. Ford and Ram need to to up their GVWR as well. If you are going to tow any amount of weight in a diesel, you need to look at Ford 350 or Ram 3500 because of the low payload on their 250/2500 models with the diesel.
Something to think about. If you watch the video closely, when you tighten the two nuts on your anti rattle device, as you torque it down, it is lifting the stinger up a small amount which is leaving a gap on the bottom side of the receiver. Maybe putting the device on the bottom side of the receiver will do just the opposite and pull it down against the receiver and not give it a small amount of room to move under load.
That is what I was thinking also, why fight gravity have it pull down.
Thanks for the video. I’ve currently got a 2018 ram 3500 srw Cummins ho. About 30,000 on it now and I’m kind of attached to the truck. And I’m a Ford guy. The 7.3 wasn’t even out when I bought it but ever since, I’ve always told myself that if the emissions give me any grief that I’ll go and trade it for a tremor 7.3 no problem. Had a DEF pump go out but was replaced under warranty. Nice thing about the emissions stuff is that it’s covered for 8 years or 96,000 miles or something like that, so I’m good for a while. Now a 40 foot fifth wheel later (will be going smaller for the next camper), I have been getting caught up on 7.3 videos. Seems like the gas truck would simplify my life a bit. Worse fuel mileage, sure. But with lower cost oil changes, a transmission that doesn’t need to be serviced every 30,000 miles, and (because I try to take care of the truck) the warm ups before driving and the cool downs before shutting down. Not to mention on my way to work I’m not sure the heat ever even comes on. Gas and diesel always seem comparable where I’m at, but it’s Ca, so we just get shafted no matter what. The diesel is nice. I’ve owned probably six diesels in the last ten years…but I’m not sure if it’s worth it for me either.
witht the 5 dollar plus gas prices now no way will i get gas. we towed with a 7.3 gas and got 5mpg thats a joke .unloaded around town un loaded 12 mpg. if you tow go diesel !
Yeah Hey brother from Arizona want to say very very informative information on a very broad spectrum . I'm gonna be getting my truck in a travel trailer soon . And I want to say thank you very much for teaching me and schooling me on many things I appreciate it brother be safe be proud and be inspired.
Glad I could help and thank you for the kind comments.
Fantastic video! Answered many questions for me on the 7.3. Thank you for your efforts.
Glad it was helpful!
Great video I really enjoyed it! I agree with you 100% on the gas vs diesel argument. All comes down to how much weight one tows, how often, and what their expectations of the trucks performance are. Also comes down to one’s budget and lastly just personal preference.
Thank you and spot on with your comments.
FYI you are using the anti-rattle upside down, the way you are using it , all the weight of the trailer is on the U bolt, if you use it the other way the U bolt keeps it from bouncing up over bumps, all the weight of the trailer is on the hitch not the U bolt, the same for your bike rack.
That’s makes good sense… thank you!!
So you have to tighten the bolts from underneath? That kinda sucks 😕
Thank you very much for your superb attention to detail and informative video!!
This is the best video I've seen in regards to mpg on the 7.3 Gasser.
You're very welcome!
I came for the truck but leaving with some good information about that generator. Great Content 👍, you got a new Sub
I have an extended equalizer shank from equalizer company which allows the tailgate to be clear. It also helps with backing and forward turns for rv truck clearance.
These are the numbers I get with my 2021 F350 7.3L. I don’t think you can beat this new engine. Lots of off the line torque, plenty of HP, and sounds like a boss when you get on it.
Looking at a 4:30 gear set on one. Jjst need a bigger truck to pull a 33 foot TT coming in at 8200 pounds. My current Silverado CC 5.3 will do it bit the tongue hangs out. Don't think I'd wanna go interstate with the setup.
I'm averaging 11.6 over 4k miles tracked pulling 40ft fifth toy hauler weighing around 17k with a 21 F-450. I've owned a number of big block, forced induction gas motors and diesels. Diesels always win when it comes to tow experience, mileage and longevity. I'm impressed with the 7.3 but mostly with the 10 speed which help both the gas and diesel motors. As long you are happy and it gets you where you need to be - go for it.
You are so right, there are many advantages to owning a diesel. Everyone likes what they like but there is a reason there are so many million mile diesel trucks on the road.
Thanks for this Video and the explanation of the TREMOR package. I'm looking at a tow vehicle the CP4 fuel pumps for the diesels are scaring the heck out of me. I think the big gas is the way to go for me. This is the first time I've ever seen someone show how to set the spring bars up. Again thanks alot.
Glad it helped!
I bought a Genkins 4500 watt inverter, it was a few hundred dollars cheaper than the predator I can get roughly 10-11hrs on it running my travel trailer money well spent .
It's ironic - a diesel that can pull/haul more than a gas engine. But the gas engine can very much handle all of the weight that the truck is allowed and engineered to have. AND... the diesel takes up 1,000 lbs off of the top of your payload. It seems like a very heavy trailer with little in the bed of the truck a diesel would favor. But if you used a Camper or something heavy in the truck, you'd be better off with the gas engine.
It seems like a 10 speed tranny makes it so that the 4.30 rear end gives you all of the advantage of the low rear gears and NO disadvantage... go 10 speed tranny!
awesome video and awesome truck.. you have a great set up. best of luck with everything!
If I had to replace my truck anytime soon, I would definitely consider an F350 SRW 4x4 with the 7.3 and 4.30 gears. I would probably opt for the long bed crew cab for a bigger fuel tank. The Tremor package is pretty cool though.
My 2021 F-350 STX SCREW LB FX4 SRW 7.3L has a 4,250 payload! Wow, my F-350 has a 48 gallon tank.
I have a 12 inch hitch extension so the we stop I can still access my truck beds I can open my gate fully. ( good tip)
Great video I like watching your video because you like your truck so much. I learned some stuff I didn't no especially the generator information. My wife wants a camper now I do aswell maybe something we get soon. They say filling your gas up all the way screws up your evap system. I don't know how true that is. Thanks for the road trip.
Ha Ha, yes you are right about filling the gas. The things I do for my viewers!
Great video!!! I have a Grand Design Transcend similar to yours. I’m looking to upgrade my truck to a F250. You sold me on the tremor. You are very knowledgeable and meticulous in the video. You answered all my questions and more! I never comment on videos so you know you did a good job… lol oh and I subscribed as well.
Right on! Thank you!
Nice video, I have your trucks twin on order. That's good mpg towing that trailer, that's a tough pull up to Flag
I use E85 for my 2021 6.2L F250 XL and 34 Gallon tank can drive 410 miles on the highway and it can drive 348 miles with 4500lb PJ dump trailer.
Great video! Thank you . I am planning on purchasing a F250 soon first truck
Good choice!
Love your videos. Great info. Just got my f250 tremor, can't wait to go camping with it.
Hope you enjoy it!
Jordan, great video. Just a correction on what you said about F250 diesel‘s. you mentioned that having a diesel minimizes your payload capacity, or an 1800 to 1900 pounds while yours has over 2900 pounds. Just for the record, I have a 2021 F250 lariat and my payload is 2825lbs The F350s are much higher as well so I think you might want to check that data. We bought our truck to pull our fifth wheel 33 footer and I’m glad we got the diesel for that extra power for where we live. Your Tremmor looks awesome btw..
I was a little low on the numbers, but the diesel does lower your payload by the weight difference between the gas and the diesel engine. Every option over a base model will. If you have two of the same trucks and one has leather and one doesn’t, the leather equip truck will have a slightly less payload because the leather weighs more than the cloth. Thanks for watching by the way!
Great tips. I used the same WDH on my 2015 Bullet Premier 36’ TT. It provided excellent sway control. The only sway that could be felt was the vacuum effect when being passed by semi’s. Very clean and easy to use system. I would place a small zip lock bag over the greased ball or when wearing a latex glove, grab the ball with the gloved hand and remove it, transferring it onto the ball. Keeps things nice and clean. I also noticed that you didn’t install the retaining pins over the bar ends once installed. Not sure if they are missing or you just left that part out of the video.
Wow good catch! Yep, I put those in later.
I had almost 1mpg better with my 7.3 when I had my kayaks on top of my truck because it was breaking up the wind before it hit the parachute on the front of the rv. Hand calculated of course.
You’re still using the mileage from the truck to “hand” calculate. To really omit the truck’s computer, you’d need to GPS the mileage from fill up to fill up. Then calculate it to see if that plays a factor. You may find a couple of miles per gallon difference. You’re already seeing two tenths difference.
I have a 98 GMC 7.4 gaa 3/4 ton pulling 26 ft. 5400# trailer. Truck gets about 10 mpg. So much for newer trucks getting better mpg. towing.
Brother Thank you for your video , it was explained very good you had great input into what was a going on up and down the hill . I comen you on explaining and brakes showing what the temperature and speed . so thanks, it was great traveling with you guys, many thanks. a watcher of your videos.
Thank you I’m glad you enjoyed it!
My 2021 E350 cutaway van with the 7.3 gas motor at 70 is around 2,500 rpm. It has the 6 speed transmission with 4.56 gears 😱.
I average about 11.4 mpg on the van converted to a camper. The at 55 mph it will sometimes get 12.8 mpg.
I’ll never understand GVWR. I owned a dump trailer with tandem 7k axles and the GVWR was 9990lbs. I looked at a 8.5x16 cargo trailer today with tandem 3500lb axles with a 9990 GVWR. And a 7x16 cargo trailer by the same manufacturer, sitting side by side, it had tandem 3500lb axles with a 4500lb GVWR. You’d think the GVWR couldn’t exceed the axle rating and the smaller trailer would have more GVWR with the same axles as a larger trailer🤷🏻♂️
Automobiles are no exception.
i have been very curious about the 7.3 in. 3/4 ton. Thanks for all the Info.
I have a 2020 F250 diesel with the high capacity tow package. This package adds an additional 800# to GVWR. Standard 3/4 ton will have a 10000# GVWR. The high capacity tow package increases this to 10800#. This is both good and bad. Good because it gives me 3166# payload with a diesel 3/4 ton. (Diesels have about 500# weight penalty). Bad because it puts it I we the 10000# GVWR which, in many states, places it in the commercial category. In Texas this is the case and, if you are pulling a “vehicle” with a GVWR of over 10000#, you are required to have a class A or B drivers license.
Dodge:Ram does not have a 3/4 ton option that increases GVWR over 10000#. However GM/Chevy does have 2 options. The highest is a 11350# GVWR for the 3/4 ton.
I was curious about the 4.30 rear end. After watching your video I think the 4.30 is a perfect rear end for the gas engine with the 10 speed. In my opinion that rear end gets the rpm’s too high for a diesel. I have a 3.31 rear which is the perfect rear for the diesel with the 10 speed in my opinion. At 70 mph the tach shows 1519 rpm. The 10 speed provides a great balance for towing.
On my F250, in the rear, there are 4 springs plus the overload spring (5 total). That is the standard setup for the high capacity towing package. I believe the standard F250 has 4 springs total???
We have a momentum 21G. Typical trip weight is about 8500#. Tongue weight is generally 1250/1300#. The frontal area of the momentum is almost 20% more than a traditional bumper pull. Amazing the difference this makes towing. We just returned from a 4 week trip where we put 4200 miles on the trailer. We averaged between 8.5 and 10.5 mpg while towing depending on factors like mountains, headwind…
As far as diesel prices…at truck stops they inflate the diesel price. If you have a “fleet” account you will always get a discount. I find diesel about $0.10 more per gallon than gas on average. We had a 1 ton Chevy Express with the 6.0. With normal driving (not towing) We averages about 13/14 mpg. With out F250 we average 17/18 mpg. So the extra fuel cost is, essentially, a wash. Also oil change intervals are about 10000 miles with diesel and 5000 miles with gas. Almost a wash in maintenance cost as well. DEF does add some additional cost. And, overall, a diesel will h e higher maintenance costs than gas, just not as much as what some are saying.
In my opinion there are advantages and disadvantages to diesel and gas engines. One is not a clear winner - they just serve different purposes and provide options for different preferences. I’m super happy Ford came out with the 7.3 gas. I think that’s a fantastic option that only enhances the truck market.
Heyo, I have a 2020 F250 tremor as well! Ive been watching videos cause I just got it a few months ago. But you mentioned how the display MPG was never correct, heres a video on how to correct the calculations if you haven't already. You just need to do some hand calculations to find a calculation variable and change it in engineering mode.
Really good and informative video. I applaud you sir. I am looking at getting a F350 with the 7.3 in it. The towing numbers are similar with the tremor and non-tremor. I just want the higher payload of the 350. But I have also been looking at the Chevy 2500HD 6.6 gasser as well.
Thank you for this super informative video. I really appreciate it.
Glad it was helpful!
Nice truck! I love the white trucks with blacked out wheels! I am patiently waiting for my 2022 F250 (non tremor) to at least get a build date! lol. And that's interesting, I didn't realize the 250 and the 350 tremor were both the same... makes me wonder if there is a difference then in a regular 350 vs the tremors.
Also, FWIW, if you are going with a non tremor truck, you can still get your payload up pretty good even with a diesel in an F250. I added the snow plow/camper package and the HCTT package, which based on other trucks I have seen, should give me around a 2800 - 2900 lb payload! The HCTT package puts the Dana M275 rear axle and the extra leaf spring and sway bar in the rear, and the snow plow/camper package will put the largest/heaviest front springs in. At this point, it's really no different from a normal base 350, but just like the tremor 250, it's derated simply because it's a 250 and not a 350.
And yeah, I chose diesel for the better gas mileage (diesel is about $0.07/gallon higher than 87 gas here where I'm at) and for the raw power. I'm not knocking the gas by any means, but we will soon be hauling in the western mountains almost exclusively since we will be travel working! I do expect the diesel prices to increase once we start that though... lol!
We put our bike rack on the back of our camper too, but used the Mount-N-Lock struts to provide more support to the back bumper. Pretty simple to install and inexpensive. Although, I wish I had (and knew how to use) a welder! Also, as I understand it, there are a few bike racks that are approved for use on the back of an RV, but the vast majority are not. However, this is because the rack itself (typically where the bikes mount) is not able to stand up the the abuse that the rear end of an RV puts them through, which is considerably more than what the back end of a vehicle will submit them too. I was watching a video the other day from No Ordinary Path and their bike rack broke while traveling down the road, but it was at the welds on the actual rack, not at the hitch. So be sure to keep an eye on the rack itself if you put many bikes on it or use it often on the back of the RV.
The listed weights on my camper includes 2 full 20 lb propane tanks and the batteries. Most all others that I have seen also includes these... maybe different companies list them different though? And I am going to have to upgrade my WDH with a 2" shaft since my F250 will come with a 3" receiver (another perk to adding the HCTT package!). The Anderson WDH is much lighter and can be purchased with a 2, 2.5 or even a 3" shaft! And I never had good luck with those stabilizers that reduces the rattle... every time I tightened mine down it would be loose by the time I got to the campground. I eventually just gave up on it.
Great job on the generator, I almost got the Predator 3500 too! I couldn't see spending the money for the Honda or the Yamaha... however, I did go with the Champion 3400 dual fuel inverter generator. Before ordering my F250 we were pulling with a Pathfinder so didn't want to carry fuel inside the vehicle. Since getting the Champion we have only used propane and it's been great. We also installed 600 watts of solar, added 315Ah of LiFePO4 batteries and a Victron Multiplus inverter charger. That has been a huge game changer for us! We don't even need the generator anymore unless we plan to run the AC all day...
I added the tailgate step on my F250! My wife is only 5'2" so it will come in handy, but yeah, when hooked up to the camper it won't work. We rented a F250 last year and I can't remember if the tailgate will sit all the way down when hooked up or not... I'm thinking it did, but at that point the step wouldn't be useful though. I am thinking about those Amp side steps too so that we could get into the front of the bed easier. Once we get the Anderson hitch it will be light enough to just pull the whole hitch out pretty easily and quickly though. Also, is that the Ford branded folding tonneau cover, or did you get it aftermarket? I added the Ford hard folding tonneau to my order to and was wondering if it is just a rebranded Bakflip.
Good to hear that you like the Tire Minders. I used a Bella Corp TPMS system for 3 years and it was horrible. I switched over to the Tire Minder system this year but have only gotten to use them on 2 trips since we are waiting for our truck to come in. As for the China Bombs... I have always seen this term as more of a indicator of the person towing rather than the tire itself. Most folks towing simply overlook their tires and neglect them. Not many can actually tell you what their current PSI is in each tire, or what the sidewall even recommends. let alone actually take time to inspect them between or during a trip. However, running these ST tires with low psi is almost guaranteed to cause a blow out, especially when folks are driving so fast on them. Most ST tires are only rated at 65 mph. I know the GY Endurances like you have are rated a little higher, but I have still heard that due to design, over 65 is not a good thing for any ST tire... Folks need to worry about maintaining their tires rather than the name on the side wall... I have seen lots of posts with blown GY Endurance tires too, including one that only happened a couple of miles from the ship where they were installed. No tire is perfect. In my research, I have found that the Maxxis 8008's, while not perfect, are some of the best, and this is over a number of years of use. The GY Endurance tires are still relatively new, and while made in the US, from what I understand, they are still made with Chinese rubber... lol.
Also, I did a little math with the gas vs diesel prices...
As I mentioned above, last year I set out on a 4200 mile road trip in a rented F250 with 3.31 gears and a 6.7 motor, pulling our (measured) 5700 lb travel trailer. The truck had 52 miles on it when I picked it up, and on the home stretch with the camper hooked up we weighed in at 13,640 lbs. This included about 600 lbs of passengers, about 150 lbs of cargo and around 600 lbs of tongue weight distributed on a WDH. We started in MS, hit I40 in Memphis, TN, then stayed on it through AR, OK, and then to Amarillo, TX. From there we headed north into NM, CO, WY and then back east into SD and finally back south through IO, MO, TN and back to MS. The camper was attached for 3,756 of those miles, and overall we averaged 11 mpg. However, the entire time we were on I40 we were sitting pretty at 12.5 mpg. Once we started heading north and hitting some real climbs and a good bit of headwinds in CO the mpg dropped slightly. By the time we were leaving WY we were near 11 mpg with the camper hooked up. We sat there the rest of the trip, averaging 68-70mph on cruise. Thisbecause
becausejustable to travel 425 miles. This actually comes to $0.42/mile for the gas and $0.28/mile on diesel. Yes, I get that the diesel engine is an extra $7700 up front (based on invoice pricing), and I'll admit, it will take a looooot of miles to make up that difference.... however, on the road, everyday, the difference can also be seen at the pumps... and if you do the math, it's actually in favor of diesel. Not too mention, I liked having the longer intervals before needing to fill up that the diesel allowed for those longer stretches without so many gas stations to choose from. On our trip when hooked up to the camper, we would start looking for the best place to refill around 325 miles of travel and most times when refilling would still easily have 1/4 tank or more.
I do appreciate this video though. I really appreciate all of the effort you put into it and all the stuff you shared. It's not common to see a lot of this and I think anyone on the road, especially towing should be aware of these things. I will also say that it confirmed my thoughts on the 7.3 vs 6.7... I also loved seeing the country side in your videos. I haven't been out that way since June of last year and I can't wait to get back out there... it's so beautiful! I still haven't had a chance to go to the Grand Canyon, but it is in our future! I am hoping that our truck is built by Christmas of this year... lol!s
Wow Chad, best and most informative comment I've ever seen on RUclips, and you did it in my channel! I hope you're a subscriber so I can look forward to hearing from you again. Appreciated it!
Chad, did you end up getting your truck? How long did it take?
@@real-j-anderson I did. I ordered May 24th and it arrived on the dealers lot September 23. I brought it home September 24th, so 4 months exactly. I ended up removing the UTT package to help get it picked up sooner. I really wanted the 360 cameras though… that’s the only thing I don’t have on the truck I wanted. Everything else is awesome! Also, I ended up removing the tonneau cover and the console safe. I removed anything “aftermarket” on my order so that when it rolled out the factory doors it was ready to ship to the dealer instead of somewhere else for more parts. As it turned out, I got the actual tonneau I wanted for less than what Ford was charging anyway, plus that was an extra $1000 I didn’t have to add to the overall finance price of the truck.
Nice video man.. only issue up here in Canada is that you don’t want to be using cruise control in the winter
I did a lot of calculating of added cost vs fuel mileage on a Diesel vs Gas and it did not add up to buy Diesel. The initial price difference was around $8000-10,000 Diesel vs Gas then the fuel was .30-.50 cents more for Diesel. The normal oil changes cost much more for Diesel than Gas engines. My 2010 F-250 with 6.8 V-10 gets 8.6 MPG towing my 32ft Fifth wheel that weighs 12,000 LBS loaded. Honest Diesel owners get 13-15 MPG towing It was going to take a long time to pay for the Diesel engine. Plus newer Diesels require DEF fluid so that needs to be added into cost of fuel also. Yep the turbo Diesels pass me like I'm sitting still on the hills but I smile all the way to the BANK.
1000%. I have a 97 Chevy 3500 with a 5.7. It’s slow up hills, and doesn’t like to go much over 70 but idc. Does what I need it to do.
Prices vary depending on where you live.
Highest I have payed for diesel all summer is $2.69 Just filled for diesel for $2.54 gas was 2.99
Also, I'm not sure, but I mount my Anti-Rattle bracket with the bolts and plate DOWN. That "holds the hitch down", as I understand. I'm 2 yrs late to this video, so maybe you you've changed. :)
No way with gas, Diesel all the way! Ram 3500 HO 1050 torque. 4010 lbs payload capacity, 11.2 MPG pulling my 9000LB Airstream from NJ to CA. 3500 is the big boy toy. Will last a lot longer and worth every penny. Those are the facts!
I think in this video he just proved you don’t need a diesel to do what he is doing. But if you do choose gas the only option is the 7.3l. The Chevy and Dodge gassers don’t have the power
F350 dually 5300lbs payload pulling a 45 foot momentum probably 18k or so getting 13. But for what he has he's got a great setup🤘
@@dougmatheny854 I live in Arizona as well my only concern is how will this truck hold up over 300-400k towing threw these mountains but not only on the 17 but also the 40 in Arizona or surrounding states. A bit torn between the mountains and heat. I think that may be the biggest trailer I’d haul with that truck with all the mountains. Just torn I’m a trucker as well and very familiar with the emissions issues diesels can have. Diesel just seems it’s due better over the years with these conditions
A modern diesel with particulate filter, turbo, high pressure fuel rail, DEF systems, etc will last longer than a naturally aspirated, cam in block, gas v8??? Highly doubtful.... Today's diesels aren't what they used to be...
I have the same husky hitch and love it!
Love his dance ha ha ha and that would be my wife saying knock it off! Lol 😂
This was a great video!!!
Thanks JB!
Great video! Very informative!
I had always heard it pronounced Cor-des Junction....not "chords". The big grade prior to Cordes Junction has always been a tough one. My folks used to haul us kids up to Flag for camping in the 1975 C20 (Truck camper package) with a 454 and truck camper....8 mpg on flat ground!
Hilarious how the youtube crowd expects EXACT numbers, EXACT advise, EXACT everything... why don't you punks go make your own damn video so the EXACT information is out there.. Just becauses this dude puts something out in the universe doesn't mean it's going to be PERFECT... did you get something out of this video??? I'll be you did!!! LEAVE IT AT THAT...
Didn't even watch the video. Just read the title. LOL
Great video! I tow a bit smaller & lighter, and with a 16 Expedition. I have the same hitch and one thing I noticed on your hitch is that those bars might be lose. Those 2 huge bolts on the hitch can be torqued down to 150 lbs. Mine wasn't even as easy to move as yours before I tightened them but when I brought it up it made a HUGE difference with sway on the highway. Also good on you doing those tires. I just came back from a 500 mile trip, had factory Trailer King on first half and then swapped for the Goodyears and that made it ride better, smoother, and tracks better. Last thing - Can't tell but those bars might not be parallel with the frame and might be able to be adjusted. Doing that will also cause it to handle a bit better. Is your hitch really loud? Mine is.
Thanks, I’ll check the hitch out too make sure all the s good. The hitch is only loud when I’m making turns, pops and squeaks which is normal when the weight distribution bars are rubbing against the brackets for friction.
I have a 2020 f350 4door long bed with 4.30s. I tow a 413 raptor with stuff and golf cart 27k with truck. I run 8th gear locked out at 65-68 2600 rpm giv or take
Thanks for sharing 🙋🏻♂️👍
I've done a ton of mpg checks on mine and the truck always shows 1/10th higher also. Pretty damn accurate though of you ask me.
What is your empty mpg on the freeway?
Don't fill your tank that full. Horrible for the evap system
Since when is a 250 a big boy toy ??
I think those large tires really help set off the 430 vs 373 gears...from what I was told its about equal to having 18" tires and 373 gears
Check your actual miles traveled with a gps device. Most speedometers are calibrated at around 60mph. They are allowed some leeway, usually 5%. This will affect your mpg calculations if you just base it off the dash reading. I have checked every vehicle I own, including two motorcycles and they all are off a bit at different speeds.
Checked GPS to vehicle Speed and it goes half MPH slower than the speedometer gauge at 75 MPH
Very informative vid! Thanks!!
Thank you!
Do a video on the RV? I got your exact setup but 7.3l PSD. Thanks
I just ordered a 2022 250 7.3L with 4:30 gears. Two sales associates at two separate dealerships tried to tell me the 4:30 would kill my MPG, and I'd be lucky to get 8MPG with them. They also told me they couldn't sell at less than MSRP, but I got mine for $250 over Invoice, so why would I believe anything they said? Thanks for the great videos.
Maybe with the old 6 speed you would get 8MPG... not with the new 10 speed. Salesmen can be dumb to what the sell sometimes.
Just curious how much less than msrp you paid. Im thinking about ordering one. Thanks
@@dp5430 I was about 4k less than msrp but that was pre pandemic. Dealer has called and offered 5k more than I paid with 15k miles on it now.
@@dp5430 $2250 below MSRP. If I had been more aggressive with the sales associates by telling them about the discounts other dealers had offered me, I might have gotten down to invoice, but considering the current market I’m pretty happy with where I ended up.
Thanks for the responses.
F350 has 1000 lbs more payload approximately than the F250. They are NOT the same truck. Same engines but the payload capacity of the F350 makes it more capable for pulling heavier loads. This 3/4 vs 1 tons
Normal F250 vs F350 yes. But did you hear me say they are the same trucks when outfitted with the Tremor package? The only difference is the payload sticker and the emblem that says F250 or F350. AGAIN this is for Tremors only.
My 2021 F250 7.3 struggles to due 12mpg no load and 9mpg pulling a trailer
Excellent Video Great Explanation and your right on preditor Excellent generator I'm curious how big your fuel tank is,I'm a diesel owner here in Phx AZ except Mines even worse on dot LOL F450 test drove a Tremor loved it but your right hard to find been thinking tho maybe future my toyhauler is a 26ft custom dune sport about 8000 dry with machine inside my max is 14,000 so I'd be good great gear ratio I have that in my 450 but a 6 speed,KEEP UP GREAT VIDEOS 👍👍👍
Thanks for watching! My fuel tank has 34 gallons I think. I don’t pass many gas stations when towing. 🥲
amazing video
Thankyou so much for the very informative video. I am looking to purchase a new Truck to haul my classic cars. I will be towing 8-10,000lbs. I think I have just decided. Now if I can find one in stock.
You’re very welcome! Thanks for watching.
No one will ever be as entertained by us as us.
Nice welding job.
My Raptor gets the same mpgs pulling a 9200lb travel trailer, no squat with sumo springs and before wdh.
Love the content and I was curious on the 7.3mpg towing in real life situations.
Manufacturers add propane tanks and I think propane in the weight.
What were tire temps? Yeah, 15,000-20,000lbs vs TT 80,000 lbs... yup, it takes a bit to climb the grades for TT's Lol! Looks like a great ride! Thank you for the info.
I don’t have a curt I have a e2 fastway hitch and I get way closer than that when I install my bars and there is no rattling noise on my hitch like I said I don’t have a curt but it seems to me your bolts are not tight when I adjust my hitch head I need to torque my bolts to 240 ft pounds and I take my measurements on the front of the truck so let me know if the curt is designed to have bolts lose. Thanks for sharing, also I’m looking for a F250 lariat.
My 2020 F250 XLT 7.3 Godzilla has a 3476 payload. Also same leaf springs.
Really helpful video, thanks. I have a similar truck setup on order, and my only concern is access to gas while towing the rig, and limited range. How are you determining gas RV friendly stations, and do you carry extra gas in the truck bed?
I do carry a five gallon can of gas but that’s really for my invertor generator. If I needed it though it would definitely be going in the truck. As far as fueling stations… 90 percent of the time it’s very easy as most highway stations have RV fueling station which have gas and diesel. Other than that I just use the far outside right pump for regular station and I’ve been fine.
Good stuff but still waiting for that unloaded 70-75 mph highway mpg loop. I wanna get a new truck in a year and I’m split between an F150 and a gas F250. I’m not towing anything now but I do keep my trucks for a long time and may need extra towing/payload capacity later. So whenever you get a chance, thanks!!
I will give you my experience you will get 6 to 7mpg better in the 150 over the 250 unless you go with the new powerboost which I don’t have experience with just what I’ve seen on RUclips. If you don’t get a loaded up 150 you can be rt around 1900-2000lbs in payload which is good. The big advantage which you said you are towing currently but is towing travel trailers or bigger enclosed trailer. The 250-350 just weighs more and is more stable. The ecoboost is fantastic and can pull a lot but again payload is your enemy. I had the older EB tuned traded it in with 120000 and the only issue was an O2 sensor. The second one sold at 75000 got a company truck. They are great trucks just bigger wind sail type trailers are a half tons downfall. Good luck
Joe Sainato thanks Joe. Yeah my current is a 2012 Eco with the 5.5 bed so plenty of xp with the 150. Had a 2500 Duramax before that, but that was a waste and never really used it to its full potential so I downgraded to a more civilized F150 when I “grew up”. That Powerboost is looking really nice but the trade off from the non hybrid 3.5 Eco is the smaller fuel tank and a little less payload, towing and hwy mileage.
I have a 2018 f150 with the 6 liter V8, and I can get 22 to 24 running 70. Biiig difference
@@kilpel2 I’m assuming you meant the 5 liter? Otherwise that’s awesome!
@@jaysson1151 yes,5 liter 😊
i don't need a truck yet, few years still. but i have a hard time thinking about getting rid of the raptor, but i think the tremor might ease that transition. eventually i'm gonna need more towing capacity than f150, especially the raptor, provides.