Is There Beauty in Rock Bottom? (Fight Club Philosophy)
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- Опубликовано: 8 фев 2025
- Fight Club explores the notion of Rock Bottom. The journey to enlightenment, for Tyler, begins only at Rock Bottom. But what is rock bottom ? Is there beauty in it? Lets explore. Support my youtube journey below: paypal.me/michaelkussmannvoice
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Everytime I see fight club, Its like a new movie
I couldn't agree more. I learn something new every time
Absolutely!
Bro your blind. That is literally the same with a lot of movies
Alzheimer's ahh comment
@@Samanddomsczizophrenia type beat
“Having nothing doesn’t mean you own nothing. It means nothing owns you.”
Beautifully said. I need to find who said this, thanks.
yeah, but he also said "things you own, endup owning you" which suggest that it is very difficult to having things without owning.
@@brownbread8430 stupidity.
Try it. Try being homeless and you'll see how money owns everyone. Especially you.
@@tonightinareacode309Homeless people aren't owned by anything. He is right.
Fight Club plays with some of my deepest anxieties and I've always felt that hitting rock bottom is just the push i need to REALLY start living. For example, if i just ruin my whole face up with permanent scratches, i can finally stop caring about my looks. If i throw away my most valued possessions, i can finally stop being attached to these material things. This is precisely the feeling Fight Club reminds me of. The beauty of rock bottom
Tyler, no doubt, was on to something. The things you own end up owning you. Shed your possessions and consumer mindset, hit rock bottom, and live free!
Don’t forget the message of the second half of the movie where you end of taking this nihilism shit too the extreme lmfaooooo. It’s good not to give a fuck but at some point the abyss stares back at you.
@@alexnahan969 Yes exactly. The movie is trying to show what kind of extreme levels this discontent can unfortunately push people towards. Since you quoted Neitzche, the movie literally shows the characters turning into Nietzsche's metaphorical "lion" (negative outcome) instead of the metaphorical "child" (positive outcome).
@@uhtredsonofuhtred2867 You nailed it
Tbh fight club nails each every anxiety that a man faces and can conquer by just letting go and letting go what you can’t control, also let yourself control itself by not being in control.
We buy things we don't need with money we don't have to impress people we don't like.
Everything but the Xbox can go
We know, may never know or may hurt us and won't even know it was them.
We don't know, we may never know, who we don't even know is hurting us behind our back. 🤣
Listening to someone speaking without any annoying music underneath, so nice and peaceful.
Glad to hear you say this man. I was debating adding music or something else, but now I know!
Dude, absolutely don't. You know how people often comment to videos like "Can't watch because of the annoying music", I've never seen anyone give the opposite remark. This is the way to go if you ask me, less is more. If you do, keep it minimal. At best music should carry your message, never be 50/50 partners with it like in so many videos. People yearn for calm in all the noise. @@bizarrebreakdowns
@@profundus8946 less is more. Done deal!
I agree that you don't need music. Some videos do, but I like being able to focus on the words and not being moved by music.@@bizarrebreakdowns
@@bizarrebreakdowns ya but do what you wanna do. If you think music suits a video go for it. profundus sounds like a guy that needs to let go.
''Complete'' is food in your belly and something to drink, each day. Everything else is there to amuse you until you need to eat and drink again.
I’m divorced, jobless, my daughters don’t even talk to me . Bills are pilling up . Yes I hit the rock bottom but yes indeed it’s the foundation where I would rise up .
Sorry to hear that. I'm sure your daughters will talk to you in time, we all go through phases
File bankruptcy
If you still have bills, you haven't hit rock bottom. You're in a low point, and I sympathize with you, but this low point, trust me, it's not the bottom. Much love.
You’ll get back up man keep going
@@iii02 thank you man . God is with us
I was in rock bottom all of 2023, the good thing about being at rock bottom is that the only way out is up.
yesss brother!!!
@@neildobbs7278 i wasnt talking about the film, i was just speaking about my own life.
Well, it's also possible that you don't know true Rock bottom. I can tell you from experience that I thought I was already at Rock bottom and then had a serious injury. Now I'm financially ruined and I have no teeth and much of my bone in my face is missing.
@@josephclark7243 well im also not dumb
@@josephclark7243 I'm so sorry. You are going to be OK.
As a massive fight club ideology devotee and applying the basics in life. I am at rock bottom too, a perfectly narrated video man! Kudos to you!
Thank you Nikhil. Really do appreciate it. More coming soon!
I agree I feel I hit rock bottom emotionally and spiritually to find my true self and letting go of everyone and letting myself be free
@@Lemon-rk9hq welcome to the project Mayhem brother. When we have nothing to lose then it's time to gain everything.
There is beauty in a beautiful home, in a beautiful location you like and have chosen, in work you enjoy, in time off vacationing with family and friends to new places, on beaches, in mountains, at sea, in cities, exploring new cultures, people and food... and the list goes on.
That is so much more beautiful than sitting somewhere meditating on not wanting anything (probably because you are scared of failing) and failing to do so!
Agreed. Of course, I see the beauty in all those things. But there is also beauty in simplicity :) In having less 'stuff'.
I can do all these things without being being a wage slave like you
@@bizarrebreakdownshaving exactly what you need shelter food clothing once u step outside of that it becomes wants & desires
no there isn't. stop acting like meditation is a waste of time. those things are meaningless
This was the clearest explaination of the word rockbottom used in fight club...nice job bro keep it up
Appreciate that. Thank you
Damn what incredible quality, I was really surprised to see you didnt have thousands of views on this
Appreciate that Jay. I’m just getting started!
Its so much harder to cling to the walls on your down to rock bottom than to just let yourself slide down and land at the bottom. Fighting and trying to recover it and keep hold of things is where the real stress comes from
You actually helped me. I’m having a hard time and you actually helped me
Glad to hear that my friend. Feel free to reach out anytime
Fight club is about Enlightenment. When you surrender everything you have, including yourself, "nothing" will br left, which is what YOU really are.
I highly recommend the novel to anyone who enjoys the film. It just hits different, even though it’s essentially the same story. Same with American Psycho, awesome book
I agree. I recently bought the book to read during a plane trip and it's great. There are slight differences to make it interesting, but yeah same plot.
your storytelling is so enlightening sir. we are thankful for the efforts you put in to make bizarre breakdowns happen. keep going, keep improving, you're one step closer to the top. thank you! 😄
Thank you so much for this Alex! I absolutely will :)
@@bizarrebreakdownsTHATS WHAT WE WANNA HEAR 😼
The movie is incredible, the book is on a different level. So relevant today then when it came out.
I feel lost and I’m broke because of my gambling addiction. This brought me some insight, if money or material things would you make you truly happy then there would be no need to continuously seek more and more. Reminds me of addicts we just trying to get the next dopamine hit. We’re all sick on every level
I traveled the world, living out of a backpack for 2 stright years. I started with tittle money and planed on a year. The point, I learned to live on little. Im one of the few people I know that at least acknowledged desier and does a fair job of controlling it. Moves like fight club and books like Waldens pond have done a lot for me.
Interesting, I'd love to hear more about your experience
One of the most underrated channels ever.... Much love mn❤🔥these fight club videos are epic.... Keep doing this forever if possible....👊... Your insights are spot on....
Really needed a comment like this today. Thank you so much. I will keep going
I watched this 10x since the upload. Really like this breakdown!!
@@johncabrera4290 legendary! Glad you enjoyed it
Only after disaster can we be resurrected.
It is an inherent theme in the hero's journey. Something always needs to die for something else to be reborn.
Rock bottom is experienced by the narrator at the very end of the movie when he shoots himself.
It's the same with Stark in Endgame, with Rose at the end of Titanic, with the destruction of the grid at the end of Tron, with the destruction of Asgaard at the end of ragnarok.
Exactly. I’ve never thought of it this way, but Gollum was at his own rock bottom. Whereas Gandalf or Galadriel or Elrond would become gods if given the ring, Gollum was owned by the ring and reduced to nothing. It was the only thing he wanted it. It was his life. And paradoxically the only one who could throw the ring away, bringing an end to Sauron’s reign.
Rock bottom is definitely a subjective experience and doesn't require the degree of extremism some movies and media portray. I emotionally had hit my rock bottom years back despite having everything else I could need in life, and through that emotional and mental low I was able to find myself on the path of self improvement. Don't stay at rock bottom, use it as the pivot point towards the right direction but never force yourself to remain in that dark spot
Preach! Well said
I have severe depression, I hope I can move passed it
Thing is and you can use it to your adventage, if you are at rock bottom means you have nothing to loose and the only way is up. And if you do go up with no help you start to prosper then you are a boss. A real man. You're worth something. You will feel amazing. Empowered and proud.
People have lots of money, driving fancy cars but in many cases they are weak.
Parents money, easy life etc. They crumble and break faceing a slightest challange. Crying to friends or mommy.
Amount of money dosent mean much if you have no balls to stand up and fight against all odds.
To experience a true self respect is exacly that. To rise up from nothing by your own hands and still stay humble and even be able to help them who are close to you heart.. then you become a legend.
Thank you, I needed to read this.
I did a material life purge years ago and it was one of the best decisions in my life. Still living this way today.
its time to rebuilt our lives boys, ty for the amazing video!
“The things you own, end up owning you…”
There’s a great deal of breakdowns of this movie online. You by far knock it out of the park man. Good work. 💪🏻
Thank you man. Appreciate you saying that. Lots more here. Enjoy the channel :)
If you look at the life of Buddha, before enlightenment, he used extreme asceticism to hit rock bottom. The story goes, he ate a single grain of rice until he could touch his spine through his stomach, rid himself of all worldly possessions and comforts. Then he had a revelation under the Bodhi Tree when he realized this wasn't the way to become enlightened, so he adopted the middle-way.
This is similar to Jack killing Tyler with a bullet to the head, rejecting Tyler's extreme pursuit of rock bottom. Interestingly, it was his love for Marla Singer that made him first rebel against Tyler. So in essence, Fight Club is a hopeful love story that love is more redemptive than ruthless nihilism. Although such a simplistic message would discount the felt human experience Jack/Tyler had in bonding & fighting other men, building community, jamming culture with the acts of Project Mayhem, and discovering that he could control the power of Tyler once he integrated his shadow.
To anyone who says "Fight Club is about nothing" or has a "juvenile message", they're simply stupid. It's deeply philosophical if you know anything about Jung, Nietzsche or Siddhartha. The goal isn't to be like Tyler. The goal is to find the middle path of Tyler's philosophy
Very interesting and well said. Thank you for sharing.
An interesting thought, but I am more inclined to believe that Fight Club is a story about the acceptance of classical values, through a small amount of ideas of nihilism, primitivism and anarchy.
@@hyrttegson What do you mean by "classical values"?
The middle path is the best path
This is the best interpretation of fight club I have ever seen. In fight club it went from one extreme way to the other. From full consumer life to the point the plan was to destroy the economy and create chaos. The point is to find that beautiful golden spot, between both of these. I believe it was when Narrator joined the fight club and he could feel alive. After project mayhem started and his friend got shot, it became too much.
Rock bottom is the foundation for which I rebuilt my life
The algorithm have blessed you my friend
Finally. Hard work pays off
Love this, instant subscribe my gosh.
Thank you Gorjius, more to come my friend!
Best summary ive ever heard. Read the book and watched the movie more than a few times and couldnt figure out what message was. Thanks.
My pleasure. Glad you enjoyed it!
A man is never as dangerous when he has nothing left to lose. Believe me, I'm close to that moment, right now.
Hang in there, same spot, at 40…. Dangerous and unpredictable are the words that come to mind right now.
To the both of you, I hear you. Dangerous is relative and doesn’t have to be synonymous with evil. Be dangerous. Don’t be evil. Don’t be wicked.
I don’t feel dangerous and don’t have intentions too act dangerous. I feel like this time is my last chance to bounce back 🤣
Putting yourself back together after being broken is fucken amazing trust me.
This time around I keep failing and making more mistakes . It’s like failure is attacking me constantly. Last time I was rock bottom was 15 years ago . This time , I’m becoming worst and losing myself. I don’t use drugs or not an alcoholic, so it’s not like I feel like I deserve this situation. I give up 🤣. And have slept in my car before. It’s probably going to happen again soon as I can’t overcome these obstacles lately as it’s definitely causing me draining energy
I was low . Lowest I've ever felt. No medication either. I started seeing lights. Constant de ja vu. I felt sad but understand the beauty in it. I've often tried to experience again but not found it yet
There’s not beauty. There’s freedom
Very good analysis ❤
Yes, rock bottom is freedom. You have nothing to lose
Indeed. The only place to go is up ⬆️
I saw this movie in the early 2000s. I can honestly say I was never the same
I have. I have had it all taken and I can get it right back. Been locked up came home got it back. I accept failure and I accept victory.
Mark my words : This channel will blow up like Tylers apartment !!
Merci mon ami. Thank you so much for saying that!
@@bizarrebreakdowns btw feel free to use any of my music for your videos. credits would be nice
@@JesuisParte will do!
Well beauty is in the eye of the beholder... I don't know about beauty from my perspective but there's definitely some poetry in it
Yeah... I feel this. I dont wanna go deep into anything, but this is true af to me.
Fight club is the only book i can read over and over. I once watched the movie for weeks during a severe bout of insomnia.
Nowadays smartphone and laptops own you already.
How can we get rid of this smartphone addiction, and should we get rid of social media also i mean like facebook, and instagram type of stuff?
@@Nonononono209just delete them. Get the contacts of people you actually value and let go of the rest. Why waste your time trying to make yourself look good for people who’ll never truly care for you?
I wonder if I'm hitting rock bottom yet?
I can afford to rent an apartment but I'm looking at the mountains and looking to live in my car in the mountains. The thought itself scares me but... I'm still thinking it's good to try.
Trust your instincts my friend
The rest is up to you …..
What is that you have? You have nothing.. so there is nothing to loose
Spent my 20s addicted to porn, gambling and also doubting myself. I hit rock bottom, and I mean absolute... I didn't even have a driver's license till 29. I've always been good looking and I thrived off that growing up, until I started losing some of my hair early 20s. Mentality completely vanished, confidence vanished... my desire for things vanished. The scariest thing I've earned from this is that I realized how pointless this all is, life in general and all these ideas and dreams we stress over so much are all important just to us little humans. But I'm much better now, the hardest thing for me now is trying to jump back into reality and being part of the world after seeing it from such a dark place.
Joy wouldn't feel so good if it weren't for pain.
I missed this masterpiece. Great!
I rode freight trains around the country for years with nothing and it was the happiest time in my life
the only movie I can watch all over again and again still feel amazed by the character's wisdom and moral lessons... I'll never get bored watching that movie again and again.. it's just like testosterone fuel
“Rock bottom is subjective
For the narrator, rock bottom is a depressive and abysmal state.
For Tyler…
Rock bottom is beautiful.
Liberating. Baptismal.”
I'm divorced, state stole my children, lawyers stole my house. I no longer fear death, only loss of health.
letting things get out of control means chaos, but OMG chaos is beautiful.
I don't know about beauty, but when you got nothing there ain't much to be afraid of. Freedom through failure.
I am currently going through my rock bottom.. After years of struggling in silence, while professionally and personally uplifting people.. I just cracked. For years, I struggled with anxiety, depression, isolation, and even bits of paranoia and fear... Only a couple of months ago I hit a breaking point (in retrospect it was clear it was coming, months leading up to that I was suffering through mini breakdowns). That night, I lashed out against my only friend. I threatened them, said terrible things to them, and then damaged their vehicle in a fit of rage. I immediately regretted my action, told them to call the police on me.. etc I ended up arrested, and in some legal and financial trouble. Now? I am at the lowest point in my life. I feel such intense shame, guilt, regret, humiliation..... Yet, it helped me see my life was going in an endless cycle of downward spirals. Perhaps, in a way now I am free. IT IS DIFFICULT.. I am closer to calling it quits than ever, but I know if I can survive this.. in a years time I will be stronger than ever. I will regain my honor, and find my redemption.
Well I’m sorry to hear about your troubles. That’s quite the story. I’d say you’re at the perfect point to turn your life completely around. Rest assured you will get through this, change your life, and find redemption and solace.
@@bizarrebreakdowns I appreciate that! I hope so! My mind goes back and forth, and sometimes I have my doubts.
@@ThrawnIsaiah122 You and me both friend. You're ALWAYS worth it
Wow, that was a great video, I`m surprised it only has 257 views
I have been homeless 3 times and everytime i felt better than when I wasn’t homeless.
So much so that the 3th time i made myself homeless.
Hey man, I'm doing the same thing. I'm working 66 hrs with a bed, but this is literally my life right now. 66 hours of work and a bed. Id rather be homeless again too.
But we are alone. So best to get prepared for it- Life starts where fear ends
Fear diminishing as a rock bottom don’t care for life or death is the beauty of rock bottom in search of something fulfilling
@@nickgrace5363 “ so rock bottom was the solid foundation I built my life on “. RR
I’m currently rock bottom at the moment due to choices I’ve made lately. This is the 4th time in my life hitting rock bottom. Actually this is the worst rock bottom I’ve had to go through. But what I’m learning is currently, I have no more fear 😂 of failing anymore .
@@nickgrace5363 Sounds like only way to go is up. Look. Don’t know ya. But my wife died few yrs ago. No family. Economy sucks. Friends dead iota jailed. All gone either way. But I climbed out. Of self pity. Self misery. Others have to. Others can. You can. Whateva the grind. So stop digging. And start climbing. Or don’t.
In the 90s we focused on community and material things, most of us only had two drawers of cloths and a few toys cause we preferred community.
I had experience it on manic episode with my bipolar disorder 😮
First of all, no-one knows what rock bottom is. I was there a couple of times only to discover later in life how much lower life could go. And I never saw any beauty in it at all. I recall day after day turning into month after month and moving into years. You pray you'll die , just to stop the sorrow and bitterness.
Amen. There is no good in hell
The hard times make you wise and hopefully plant the seed of awakening from the dream in your empty awareness.
Rock bottom is being homeless imo
Pressure can make diamonds, but most of the time it’s coal.
Your coal, btw- your the weak brittle coal of the world
Homeless for 2 years with nothing was like my golden years. Now I camp so that I can feel again
Great video, well made
Appreciate the Olle. I'm just getting started. More to come
Fight club is my favorite movie ❤ hands down !
You and me both my friend :)
When you want nothing you have everything
The fun fact is we all broke the first 2 rules of the Fight Club 😅
Indeed. I evicerated that rule a long time ago. lol
I didn't 😊 I haven't even watched it yet. But maybe...
Great analysis of the movie. Congratulations
Proper explanation thats what iam looking for ,
Glad you liked it
I watch this video with a smirk on my face, because while we discuss how Tyler's professed insights can help us to live Christ centred lives [and I agree with you], Tyler lives a double life, where he constantly evades his responsibilities.
He says that we can be free, but he spends so much time telling other people what to do. Why is he so concerned with us, when he can be free on his own? I think that it is due to his principles being used in a toxic way, which alienates him from others, assuming that he really existed in that story.
He frees himself from worldly things, but what does he do with debt? He "tells" other people to release him of his debt, when he destroys the records. There is no consent in his free world.
He is free, but he sends in others to destroy the buildings and orders others to tend the garden. He severs ties with those, who demand that he fulfill his responsibilities...yet ties are okay, when he gives orders.
This film just gets better and better.
Excellently explained! I've often felt like taking everything away just to see how much personal growth I could achieve when I have nothing to distract me. Will I ever, though? Or am I a slave to consumerism.
You won't
Excellent video; to the point.❤
When you don’t want … you are free
I've already had everything taken from me. Nihilism seems so tempting right now.
Most people don't realize that you can quit your job and travel the country catching trains and hitchhiking, catching a single job for a few weeks can carry you for months.
You can spend a decade just traveling on a whim and 1000 bucks (if you're willing to work, you'll be good. If you're not sober, you'll beg and still get by)
great video bro greetings from spain
The first question is what do you want?
And the assumption is that it is a thing, a tangible item to purchase.
I need air and water and shelter.
When you have nothing, you can do anything.
Don't do it for yourself do it for your family and the people you love
Freedom is just another word for nothin' left to lose - Kris Kristofferson - Me and Bobby McGee
When you ain't got nothing, you got nothing to lose - Bob Dylan - Like a Rolling Stone
I am the walrus - John Lennon.
(Ok that last one is not a relevant comment on possessions but I like the other two.)
The less you have the more you gain.
-Metallica
it took me hitting rock bottom to kick my drug habbit lol. it wasnt just from doing drugs, i had other stuff go on in my life, i list a 100k/ yr job, i went 100k into debt. im now clean, and have paid off my debts
That line about rock bottom being boarding flights and wishing for a collision hits. Everyday I go to work. A large part of me wishes someone would run a light or a stop sign, Tbone my driver side fast enough to kill me on impact.
Life has no allure anymore. I'm working a job I hate, I've lost what little family I ever had to either cancer or dementia. No friend I ever had still contacts me, no relationship ever works. I am alone. I've already gotten rid of most of my worldly possessions. I stopped caring about anything that wasn't required to have after everyone was gone.
One day I hope I have the courage to I guess end it myself. But until then I'll keep daydreaming about that car, slamming into me and taking what's left of my pathetic life. 😞
Sounds like the only place to go is up... Your life is a gift. Don't wish it away. Keep looking for that next job opportunity, get involved in stuff (seek community). ALWAYS train and workout (the ultimate form of self-respect). Why? Because you're worth it my friend. I promise you, you are worth it. Once you're in a more stable situation, volunteer, be in service to others. You have lots to offer this world!
@@bizarrebreakdowns you're kind. But I just want it to end. I'm tired of being used by people. Jobs, volunteer work. Just sounds like being used more while the world won't offer me anything in return.
According to the "guy named Maslow", hierarchy of needs are from the bottom: physiological, safety, belonging and love, esteem, cognitive, aesthetic, self-actualization and transcendence. You cut off the tip of the pyramid.
i love your vids please make one about whiplash
Duly noted my friend. I love Whiplash too
i hate it where i am now, owning the thing i want which is a better place to work at, will make me like myself better -- i could care less at that point what other people think of me, because right now i hate myself
The communities you think you crave end up owning you.
Nice observation. Crave being the key word... it's cravings that end up owning you.
You guys ever hear the song "Weird Fishes" by Radiohead? "I hit the bottom and escape"
I'll have to check it out!
@@bizarrebreakdowns You have to listen until the end when the song changes up
This video is fantastic
@@maninabush8449 glad you enjoyed!
Rock bottom...I been there, did that, and got the tee-shirt...🤣
Its only after we've lost everything.. we're free to do anything
Hello from below 👋
I had everything but the contents of my car stolen in 18'. I have now aquired too much stuff and I'm drowning in it and depression. I think this may be it. 54,' single, children grown. Don't talk cuz of the mother. Alone. I'm lost. I just help the unhoused. I'm diabled. PTSD. I just want to know what it's like to own happiness.
Needed to hear this. Consumerism has a tight grip on me.
You and I both brother. Everything in moderation
I clicked on this video and I immediately get a Nespresso ad starring Brad Pitt in it.
Nice summary 🎉🎉
When I was homeless I felt so free
Hence the word "when" as it gets old quick.
Nice video
Thank you! More to come
Rock bottom is the fondation on which i'll rebuild my life
When you in the swear the gutter looks like a syteping stone to sucsess