Artem Lobov, Anderson Silva, Vitor Belfort & Anthony Pettis all BEAT former world boxing champs IN BOXING. I’ve concluded that MMA training is better for boxing than boxing training is for boxing. And the factor that I’m a retired mma fighter that trains MMA fighters is not a factor in my concluding that my side is always 100% better
This is how I understand the dynamic as someone who doesn't know how to fight: boxing is a combat sport with a very specific rule-set; the ability to disregard certain attack vectors allows boxers to discover and train advanced and nuanced attacks, stances, and other fighting methods that are exceptionally effective in that medium, but would be handicapped if not altogether impossible if the boxer had to defend against all possible kinds of attacks. Conversely, an MMA fighter would usually not have intensive training against such advanced attacks when forced to operate within that rule-set. Am I wrong?
You pretty well hit the nail on the head. For ecample you'll notice that boxers have to learn how to punch at super close range, the clinch. However in mma if someone gets close enough for a clinch it usually ends up with someone getting taken down or yolked up and start eating knees and elbows. But thats just one small example
The other part is that some techniques which are essential to boxing can actually be detrimental in MMA. THAT'S why you don't see them, rather than MMA fighters can't be bothered learning it. Head movement, ducking & weaving, high stances, etc can get you messed up once kicks, knees, and takedowns are in the ruleset.
This reminds me of a scene from Kengan Ashura (A Japanese Cartoon) When going over an MMA fighter, it mentions that it's not just about learning strikes, takedowns, locks etc, but how to flow and interlink them as well
"Flow" exists in boxing, too-- knowing what punches to throw in which scenarios, knowing what evasive movements are appropriate in every scenario and when to correctly time them, going seamlessly from offense to defensive movements, and navigating the ring so that you don't get stuck in a corner all need to be interlinked and doing so creates something that is far more than just the sum of its parts.
@@j.menapace625And you broke down the issue most MMA Fighters face. Even MMA fighters who can box well face this issue for example clay collard is a former UFC fighter who went into boxing getting a record of 9-6-3 beating some undefeated prospects with his best win being 17-1 Quashawn toler. Kaminsky is a good one too who was undeafeted with a 94-8 amateur record. All his losses are to good competition too but like you said his main issue was the flow. The man knows how to box obviously but putting it all together over the course of 8-10 rounds is another story. Obviously ngannou shows its not impossible but very difficult
@@NorthLondon-pm6xy Joshua got close the 2nd fight though a lot of eastern european/soviet style boxers HATE bodyshots. Loma, usyk, Bivol, etc do not like getting hit to the body and are always open especially when they shift angles. Otherwise they are terrific boxers
You got the best shirts on RUclips Ramsey. Had to put that out there. Some great points in this discussion to. Pretty hard to walk into an mma gym and see guys training in arts identical to the ones down the road. Even more rare to see everyone on an even level in the arts in the gym even if it's just boxing and bjj.
Ramsey: i have seen you wearing many different kind of t shirts on your videos. Normal ones, MMA gear, some nerdy ones.. But skeletor lifting weights in Eternia gym?! I need that shit asap! 💪
This conversation, I think, has been revived by the Fury-Ngannou fight. On my card, Ngannou only won two or three rounds. But people went nuts about how the fight was rigged because he got a knockdown. I was surprised the judges scored it as closely as they did. Ngannou did WAAAAY better than I thought he would, though. That was a mind-blowingly excellent first performance. But he didn't win. I think the biggest issue in these crossover fights is that the crossover fans don't know how boxing is scored. On the other hand, with a lot of the decisions I've seen, maybe I don't understand how boxing is scored, either...
I think more of these crossovers should have a minimum 2 fight agreement. For every match that a MMA guy fights in a boxing match, the boxer, too, has to fight the MMA fighter in an MMA match.
I'm not sure why it's overlooked that Ngannou started young and as a boxer and trained exclusively as a boxer for something like 6-8ish years before transitioning to MMA. He's not the typical "law-of-diminishing-returns / good-enough" MMA athlete.
@@hazeshi6779 He started boxing as a teenager in Cameroon, decided to pursue a professional career in boxing at 22 , moved to Paris at like 25 to be a pro boxer, introduced to MMA by his boxing coach Carmont at the time, and switched over to coach Lopez at the MMA Factory at 27. ... So yea years and YEARS of boxing cultivation, that infamous punching power didn't just fall out of the sky.
So you're claiming ngannou for the boxing community? 😆 I get it, he's a phenom. But his style definitely comes from his mma experience! Remember, mist if Francis's fight experience comes directly from mma style/boxing/kickboxing.
@@hazeshi6779 I'm not claiming him for any community 🤣 Ngannou went in to depth on his background in boxing before the fight with Joe Rogan. On some level, I feel it's disrespectful to pretend a fighter is just an overnight success. Imagine you work your but off for 8 years before you go pro, and everyone just pretends those 8 years never happened. At that level of the game , everyone is their own animal. Everyone is an exception to the rule. To pretend Ngannou is "just an MMA fighter who is naturally strong and started from scratch at 27" is disrespectful to the man and the work he has put in.
Ngannou only trained boxing for about 2-3 years, not 6-8. He pointed out in an interview that he only did a year in Cameroon before getting too sick to train, and later heading to France. Certain boxing fans started huffing copium, and created this narrative that Ngannou was boxing since forever, but it's not true. It's the same when boxers tried to claim Sean Strickland, despite Strickland having no boxing background whatsoever, and being MMA trained from day 1. MMA strikers are simply better than people realize.
This man is a champion , (Search dictionary for meaning of champion) , of personal integrity, (search dictionary for integrity) . Thank you Mr. Dewey. 👌🖖
Mr. Dewey, I have recently purchased a heavy bag and have been sniffing around for a good pair of gloves to complement it and in the process, have come across your product reviews. That little taste led me down your rabbit hole. You're a smart and wise person and I appreciate your wisdom. You're not just some random meathead and truly have great wisdom to offer. I have subscribed, have watched many of your other videos, and look forward to more. Thank you. You look like a superhero, by the way, lol.
In retrospect, it really shouldnt suprise anyone that Jake Paul has wins over a bunch of retired MMA fighters when 1) these men are all past their physical peak (age 36+), 2) they all have a careers worth of accumulated physical trauma and wear and tear on their bodies which further hampers their athleticism, 3) most of Pauls opponents arent even strikers, theyre all grapplers. Ben Askren is notoriously aweful at striking, he was a wrestler. Tyrone Woodly, another wrestler. Nate Diaz is a bjj fighter who is notably pillow-fisted. The only elite mma striker that Jake Paul has boxed has been Anderson Silva, who mind you, is fucking ancient (nearly 50 years old) and has a metal rod for a shin. And despite this he still went on to have a competitive fight with a young athletic guy half his age in the limited ruleset of a boxing match. If Silva was 10 years younger and didnt have a debilitating handicap, he would have likely starched Jake Paul.
Wouldn't a MMA fighter have to sort out "Oh I can't use that" repeatively when fighting under different rule? That kind of constant calculation would get in the way of your decision making versus someone who might just be using every tool at their disposal. I'm not talking pausing for 5 sec before acting but it can get in the way of the split second decision you have to take in a fight or reflexive stuff.
If there's a training camp for the fight it's not a big problem. Even in sparring classes where some practicioners don't have shin guards you can end up switching between MT/kickboxing and just boxing. Even kickboxing classes handle the low kick vs K1 rule set (allows knees, clinch, throws, catching kicks) and while less common nowadays the full contact rules. But with a couple months of fight camp it becomes natural.
@@ChucksSEADnDEAD you can't train all the muscle memory out though, it's a genuine problem, though not a massive one for top end fighters. In the heat of the fight, the MMA fighters do often look like they're about to do something illegal, like a takedown, on instinct and then catch themselves.
When I was a custodian in the school district, a good friend of mine who was a boxer knew that I train in classical Chinese martial arts, and we talked all the time. One day we were in a classroom deep cleaning he asked me if I could beat him in a fight. I answered that it depended on a lot of things, like location for example. I told him that if it was in a boxing ring he would kill me because he specialized in upper body fighting, but here in this classroom, he would have to deal with the fact that I had a lot of training in fighting around furniture, had training in picking up a sharp pencil here in this classroom and using it, using a mop handle as a staff, and so on. Heck, I even had a putty knife attached to a pole that I could use as a spear, which I trained with quite extensively. I think the same argument could be used with MMA fighters and boxers, like the hand gear used for example. Boxing or MMA hand gear? MMA rules with takedowns or boxing rules, striking only and above waist.
Reminds of that time a guy asked me if I could outrun him and I told him it depends, for example I could totally take him if I had my e-bike and we were going uphill. :P
Speaking of being able to take punishment and moving forward. What do you think of JIRI VS ALEX early stoppage? I've seen Jiri recover from being rocked. In recent example him, vs Dominic. You can see his career highlights where this has happened, but he got knocked completely out, too.
It was a little early, but perfectly fair. As a ref, if you see a fighter go limp while being hit repeatedly in the head, it's kind of your duty to call it over to protect the fighter. Alex was going to end up on top, there's a chance Jiri would recover like he did before, but there's a more likely chance Alex is going to cause unnecessary damage. I'd like to see them fight again, I'm surprised Jiri wasn't more capable of switching stances.
At 6:05 ramsey just described bruce lee...Bruce lee is very specialized in wing chun and boxing and kung fu styles...but in the 60s he never participated in karate and boxing tournaments because he knew that he was skilled in his own thing and that's OK....he is still the most influential martial artist of the 20th century
he specialized in Jeet Kune Do which is a fusion of boxing, wing chun and fensing. he didn't fight in tournements because he believed it was unnecessary and not true fighting
Jeet kune do was very much like traditional martial arts which have not been proven in competition because they are theory-based and designed for self-defense most traditional martial arts are very outdated and truly do not work in a real life situation or in competition I know a lot of people don't like when that fact is pointed out because most people that practice traditional martial arts have never been in a real fight
If someone were to ask for my perspective, I'd liken boxers to a knife and MMA fighters to a multi-tool. Just as a knife is designed for precision and effectiveness in specific tasks, boxers excel in their specialized skills and techniques. However, much like a multi-tool, MMA fighters bring a diverse set of abilities to the table, making them adaptable in a wide range of situations. While a knife is invaluable for specific tasks, if I had to choose, I would opt for a multi-tool most of the time due to its versatility. BTW, hey, Ramsey. Old fan. I think I was seriously one of your first thousand if not a couple hundred subscribers! I'm pretty sure I remember that correctly. Big fan!
So, I Coach teams in technical organizations. I build them like special forces teams...what we call T shaped skillets. Deep expertise in a couple of disciplines, broad but less deep skills across several other skillets. It helps build teams that can tackle any situation.
Hi Mr. Dewey, I have a question I hope you'll be able to address. BLUF: For general fitness and self-defense, should I focus on Strength or Martial Arts? Due to my life situation, I am only reasonably able to dedicate around 3 days to either fitness or self-defense. Some background on me- I wrestled in high school, and generally feel I have an advantage over someone untrained that is my own size or a little larger. However, I would say I am generally clueless with stand-up. For fitness, I have previously had success with the Starting Strength routine, but recently stopped going as frequently due to having a child. I am planning on picking back up again and trying to see if I can fit martial arts training into my routine. I am interested in starting either an MMA class or BJJ, however the only way I can see myself doing that is sacrificing time from my Strength routine. For self-defense and general fitness, is it better to have a sub-par strength routine with martial arts training or no martial arts training with an optimal strength routine? Thanks for all the content you make! Even though I'm a guy who has not "gone out there and trained" yet, I always enjoy your channel!
There are so many variables in MMA, that every fighter looks unique! Those particularities makes the sport very entertaining to watch, even if you are a casual watcher 👆😁
Hi Ramsey - if possible, I would like to hear your take on the need to physically defend your loved ones from threats, especially as a trained martial artist. I agree with you 100% on avoiding conflict involving only myself and a potential assailant at all costs (at the possible expense of ego and money), but I personally have the exact opposite response whenever a loved one is in danger; this is especially true for the women in my life who have to worry more about sexual harassment/assault attempts (ie. groping) from random degenerates. I am curious to hear your own opinion on this matter.
I think a better analogy would be a tennis player playing squash, racquetball or even ping-pong. The basic movements and mechanics hitting a ball inbounds the other person can't return are the same. And most tennis players would be high up in ping pong and with an amount of training could be elite
On the other hand many MMA fighters excel in K1, BJJ and wrestling competitions. Boxing has such a different ruleset that it's true both ways: I have seen very few high level boxers venture into MMA and reach the top of the ladder
@praywithoutceasing4939 Mayweather had literally mercy of the Irishman and did not humiliate him, but they were two different universes when it comes to boxing. If we repeated the match 1000 times MW would have won 1000 times. With MMA rules it would have been the opposite as you said
Hey coach! I just opened my bjj gym at the end of September. I have a small student base and have a great culture in the gym. Everyone rolls safely, but trains hard. My gym is new enough that I can control the culture. I asked Armchair Violence about how I can build the culture as he defines it between authoritarian/liberal and process/results oriented. I want to have the environment be collaborative for adults and a little more structured for kids. How would you describe the culture in your gym and is it the same between competitors and non competitors? Is it the same between adults and kids? Thanks in advance coach!
Hey, Ramsey, I have a rules question for you for MMA. Is the pressure point below the Adam's Apple allowed? I mean other front chock variants are still allowed, so can you just stick your index and bird finger into someone's throat with one hand, and then hammer fist them in the nose or temple with the other hand while they are disabled by the "gag reflex"? I mean, if that's legal, then MMA fights shouldn't last more than 5 or 10 seconds before someone wins. Is the "Filter/Vice" pressure point below the nose allowed? This seems to make it too easy to submit heavyweights directly (I've done it one-handed before,) and it also makes it too easy to apply a RNC variant or a Darce choke variant. Just my opinion, but is that legal? If it is legal, why doesn't anyone in MMA seem to know this pressure point? Especially when going RNC, you use one hand to apply the "Filter/Vice" pressure point, which pulls opponent's nose and chin up and back, then you slip your free arm into RNC position, and now your first arm is in perfect position to completely the "Figure Four" portion of the lock. So it seems piss easy to choke out a 2nd to 4th dan opponent with this technique.
Hey coach, greetings from Australia, I am in a bit of a pickle with my sparring at my local Mauy Thai gym. So I am a bit more experienced than quite a few of the people in my class and when we spar, I always try to spar light, with light contact to the body and legs, and with punches to the head, I stop just before hitting them, or like a point karate match, with very a little touch to the face. Although a problem I have is that with the more experienced people, I think that they don't seem to understand that I pulled the punch and or kick on their face. I also fear that, I also fear that my coach thinks that I missed. My question is, How can I effectively communicate to my coach that, and/or them that I'm going very light with punches and kicks to the head as to not injure them? P.s love your videos
Boxers don't grapple so I have dominated boxers not cos of kicks but cos of my muay thai plum clinch knees but when I try it against an MMA fighter I get taken down and submitted.
@@silentassassin423 And the MMAer, and a whole host of other variables. Still, I think most boxers would be at a disadvantage in an MMA fight, IF, and I repeat IF, they had roughly "the same level of skill". This idea of having "the same level of skill" however is very vague and slippery, because Boxers are either EXPERT- SPECIALISTS or ONE-TRICK PONIES, depending on how you look at it and depending how the fight goes down. An MMA fighter has to train in punching, evading, slipping, kicking, grappling, etc. whereas the boxer just trains punching and evading, but because the boxer only trains in those areas they could be much better at it. If the boxer is better but the MMA fighter manages to avoid his KO-shots and grapple, well then the boxer is probably going to be in deep doo-doo. Probably. There are always execptions.
@@NorthLondon-pm6xy Yeah, but those are all commercial reasons. The point was looking at how each practitioner performs in the other sport and if on the whole one group does "better" than the others? Btw. it is not my comparison. It was just the focus at the beginning of RD's vid. May guess is that boxers have a rougher time of it than MMA fighters do in boxing rings, but wtf do I know? It would be cool to know though.
@@manfredconnor3194 A fighter can always improve. Depends on the mindset. Look at Alex Pereira. His grappling was really bad back then. He had no hope on the ground. Then he improved his grappling to be able to survive on the ground at least until the round ends. And now, he can actually get up after being taken down by championship level fighters.
If its a martial art involving kicks everybody accepts that the specialist will win, but if only the hands are involved like in boxing they are not sure because most guys think they are good at throwing hands because it seems easy or easier compared to kicks or throws etc
Hay Ramsey I understand you're probably busy but I would like to hear your continuation reading the New testament given your commentary and such it's been helpful to me in the past
To your point about Wonderboy, he actually did have a wrestling match with Houston Jones who, despite the ridiculous character he portrays, actually has a significant amount of wrestling experience and ability. He’s not a World Champ but he’s no slouch either. And yes, folded Wonderboy like a pretzel several times. Just to make sure nobody misinterprets (eh who am I kidding, this is the internet) I am NOT disparaging Wonderboy. I think Wonderboy’s great! He’s a good martial artist and seems like a wonderful person. Houston is also a cook dude and they’re obviously friends and it was a friendly match for fun.
Depends. Boxing rules are definitely going to favor a boxer. Connor McGregor is a great boxer. He just trains boxing for MMA. He's naturally going to be at a disadvantage against a great boxer that doesn't have to modify anything with boxing rules. It tends to just work like that. I do Kung Fu with kickboxing elements. If a Judoka is fighting kickboxing rules, why be surprised I won. I promise he'd fold my ass like a fitted sheet if I did it via grappling rules.
Hey Ramsey! Here's a fun question I saw for covering geekiness and martial arts: If you had to learn 6 martial arts to become Batman, what would they be?
Hi Ramsey, I'm fighting in mma for the second time in december, first fight I lost to a decision in points, I'm ok with the result, it was fair and I was happy with how I did, but I feel the reason why I lost was that I was too careful, not really scared on all honesty, I felt fine in there but I couldn't let loose and pull the trigger in moments that I was winning because of the fear of messing up a good position/winning moment, I think it has to do with channeling agression, do you have any thoughts or advice? Thank you regardless ~ Tomo
@praywithoutceasing4939 I started with JKD and Wing Chun, but most time I spent with formal training was JapaneseJuJitsu, so I started with mostly striking stuff, but now I'm more of a grappler, ps I just won that fight via submission a few days ago
I've noticed that hockey players fight a lot. What martial arts would be good for them? Grappling with a gi seems like a good. However, I think tae kwon do would be too deadly with ice skates. I would love to hear your thoughts.
If you're playing hockey and hit someone with your blades, you don't just get a penalty, you get expulsed and imprisoned for attempted murder. That being said, i'd say probably muay Thai because fighting in hockey is basically some kind of clinch. You could do some judo throws, but grappling a guy to the ground without throwing a punch isn't perceived as winning the fight.
I have tried to use descriptors like you did before but often it's just easier to say "Muay Thai, Boxing, with some other stuff". 90% of people you try to talk to about this kind of stuff have no idea what the descriptors mean, but they have rough idea of what most martial arts are. Yeah I took other martial arts, I can kick you. I took wrestling, I am shit but I can grapple a bit. But if you watch me spar, the guy with less knowledge goes "that kickboxer likes elbows and low kicks a lot". That's what they want to know. Talking to someone who knows martial arts, yeah that's not what I say, but almost nobody in day to day life knows more than at best a surface level about martial arts.
Hey ramsey, I've never seen anyone i watch mention Doug marcaida and his "kali" stuff I'd love to see you do a dive into whatever it is he does. Lots of knife and stick based stuff I'm guessing. I only really know him from forged in fire which I've just been watching
Well, most of the time MMA fighters are fighting at a lower weight class than the fighter they are going up against. Francis I think showed perfectly that if in the same weight class, fireworks happens.
Hey Ramsay, I recently started doing Sanda (for two weeks). What are some Sanda tips for beginners as there are very few resources for it online in English? Thanks for the great content.
I do muay thai 12 years and BJJ brown belt and was a high school wrestler. However, I do not do mma. I have never combined them outside of an occasional sparring session. I can probably do MMA at a very low level. But im going to get smoked at anything above that.
Hi coach, I just had another thought How important is each skill in MMA? While MMA is it's own sport, it's still composed of several different skill sets (boxing, wrestling, etc). What would happen if you lacked one of: kicking, boxing, clinch fighting, wrestling (perhaps both for normal and for the wall), and ground game? (What happens if you are not proficient in one of the above skill sets?)
If you fight a Judo Specialist with Judo rules you're going to lose, If you fight a Wrestling specialist with Wrestling rules you lose, A Kickboxer with Kickboxing rules you lose.
I think you can add 2 more topics to de triangle: inteligence and context. Inteligence: maybe the other have better techniques, but i have analized his fighting style, I have timing, etc. Context: maybe one has a weapon or the other dont, maybe is 5 vs 1, etcetera
If a Boxer and a non-Boxer have a Boxing match, the Boxer has the advantage. It absolutely baffles me that there are people who don't understand this. It's literally common sense.
A “specialist” is screwed if his particular skill set eg boxing is not appropriate for the exchange they find themselves in. Someone with a well rounded skill set incorporating all ranges (mma) is going to have a much better chance of survival in or out of the cage. Jeez, hasn’t anyone seen what happened to the specialists in the early UFC’s?
It's common sense, a boxer is spending ALL of their time BOXING. An MMA fighter HAS to split their time between, boxing/kickboxing, wrestling and ground work.
The problem is that most MMA fans think that MMA fighters can automatically beat anybody at any given discipline just because they are "mixed martial fighters "compare apples to apples just think about it several legendary MMA fighters have lost to Jake Paul who is a mediocre boxer at best but I think the same would happen if a top boxer goes into a mixed martial arts fight same would happen he would lose the main difference is that mixed martial arts practitioners are the ones that are calling out boxers in boxing matches and not the other way around I haven't heard any boxer say he could beat any mixed martial artist in the octagon
Loving the vids, so here's my question. There has been this pic of a10th degree "master" in 22 differnent styles. I was wondering your thoughts on it if you've seen it. I was trying to ignore it, but I just keep seeing it everywhere. I'm only bothered by it because I know it takes a life time to reach 10th dan in one style, but I was just wonderin your take. Thanks in advance. I'm getting out there and training.
Ramsey or anyone reading this I really need some help. I can only afford to go to jiu jitsu classes 2 days a week. Is it better to go consecutively, like monday then tuesday, or try to evenly space them out, like monday then thursday? OR is it a better idea to go 4 days one week, then take a week off, then do 4 days again, then a week off? I can see arguments for each of these options, but what would truly be the most optimal routine?
Very good video 👍 .....karate (shotokon) here ....thinking a complete fighter would be someone who took boxing/wrestling to a high degree .....just my opinion....
So; MMA x Boxer in a Boxing match is in favor to the boxer. MMA x Boxer in a MMA match in in favor of the MMA fighter unless he sucks at other styles too. MMA x Boxer in a brawl is in favor of the boxer until he fails to deescalate/ land quick KOs Is that it?
In a brawl the MMA fighter takes down and submits easily, unless they have terrible grappling skills. If they cannot take down a Boxer, who has no grappling training, they have no business being an MMA fighter.
Before watching the video.... “Why do MMA fighters always lose to Boxers”... A. THEY DONT B. Anytime there’s a crossover fight it’s usually under the “Marques of Queensbury” (AKA BOXING RULES) rule set. So it’s basically a Boxing match which strips the MMA fighter of at least 75% of his weaponry. Forcing the MMA fighter to face the Boxer at the Boxers greatest strength while simultaneously the Boxer doesn’t have to contend with ANY of his weaknesses (what would most likely be the Boxers weaknesses. For instance Boxing champ Terrence Crawford has a Wrestling background. But 99% of the time the Boxer will have no additional martial arts/combat sports background. And in the rare cases they do it’s likely not going to be on par with the MMA fighters skills in that same area). Other than James Toney no Boxer is going to dare enter a fight vs an MMA fighter, under MMA rules. (And I attribute that Couture vs Toney one off scenario to ignorance instead of bravery). C. The only time I’ve seen a night of fights between Boxers and MMA fighters where they actually altered the rules to “meet in the middle” it was still heavily in favor of the Boxers. They didn’t allow any kicks, elbows, or grappling. Again stripping the MMA fighter of about 75% of his weapons while stripping the Boxer of ZERO of his. I guess because the fights took place inside a cage instead of a ring they called that a factor in favor of the MMA fighter. Utterly irrelevant. Utterly ridiculous. Total smoke and mirrors which unfortunately fools many of the lesser knowledgeable combat sports fans. Such as whoever asked this question for example. Even in Boxing matches where the Boxer totally obliterated the MMA fighter (Jake Paul vs Askren or Joshua vs Ngannou) with a simple change in the fight rules there’d almost certainly be a completely different result. Allowing grappling and kicks I’d expect Askren to probably submit J.Paul in about 3-4 minutes of the first round. Ngannou (with a proper gameplan) would almost immediately take Joshua down and likely GNP his way to a KO victory (or ref stoppage) within 60-90 seconds of the first round. If Boxers were all as “Brave” as James Toney was and/or the BIG BUCKS were in MMA instead of in Boxing then everyone would quickly see the difference. The MMA fighters would win 95% of the time. One rare circumstance that would favor the Boxer (and I’m sure it’d probably happen because there’s always a few numbskulls) would be when an MMA fighter known for his striking was too proud to shoot for a takedown and gets himself KO’d by the Boxer. (See Ray Mercer vs Tim Sylvia).
is the title refferring to Boxing matches? seems obvious that Boxers would be better at that. Like if you put a BJJ guy in a judo competition. They might do okay, but the moment the go against a properly skilled opponent, they are gonna get thrown out of their gi. Then swap them, and the Judo guy would likely get beat in a BJJ competition by a blue belt. MMA guys learn to fight the MMA style, if they can't use all of those tools, they are at a disadvantage to someone who trains specifically in Boxing, Judo, BJJ etc
how to balance weight training and mma training according to winter summer season change. should a person double the weight training in winter or increase cardio
Artem Lobov (who has a sub 500 record in MMA) beat former world champion Paulie Malignaggi in bare knuckle boxing. 45 year old Anderson Silva beat former world champion Julio Ceazer Chavez. An almost 50 year old Mark Hunt (who had a sub 500 record in MMA) knocked out undefeated boxer Sunny Bill Williams. An old and past prime Vitor Belfort TKOd a very old and past prime Evander Holyfield in a fight that never should’ve happened An old and past prime Anthony Pettis outpointed a very old and past prime Roy Jones Junior earlier this year Francis Ngannou was robbed by Tyson Fury
LOL Sonny Bill Williams is a rugby player, not a real boxer. Bareknuckle is also not the same thing as gloved boxing-- the pace, angles, defense, viable targets, and punch form are all completely different. If anything, bareknuckle is more similar to MMA striking than it is to gloved boxing. Everything else I agree with you, though-- even if Anderson lost his very next bout to Jake Paul, he still has a win over a legit (if not undisciplined and unfocused) world champion.
Maaan thats problem iam stil dealing with when I spar boxers in classic box and iam mma fighter, they still think its same and critize my style of standup but I cant switch to classic box bruh, they are still blind but they are not going to try mma train
Today found this video (it's in German) ruclips.net/video/He_Km2jrqig/видео.html about knife fighting and how the chances of an armed police officer against a knife attack. I guess even without understanding German it's quite interesting considering how your knife fights were judged in the Ultimate Self Defense Championship. Main takeaways: 1. If the knife attacker is not >=7 meters away, the holstered pistol is no advantage. Also, even at 7 meters a police officer is not able to shoot very precise and might not be able to stop the attacker. 2. A baton is not an effective weapon against a knife fighter who is willing to attack, because defenses against knifes using a Baton are not high percentage. 3. If the knife fighter is less than two meters away and you are not expecting an attack, you will most likely die. 4. Many knife attacks can quickly turn deadly, because torso stab wounds are difficult to treat in the field. 5. Knifes are able to cut nasty wounds without much swinging (no shit sherlock)
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Because they're both boxing.
Indeed
Dam I never saw it that way. Thx for this unique view.
Artem Lobov, Anderson Silva, Vitor Belfort & Anthony Pettis all BEAT former world boxing champs IN BOXING.
I’ve concluded that MMA training is better for boxing than boxing training is for boxing.
And the factor that I’m a retired mma fighter that trains MMA fighters is not a factor in my concluding that my side is always 100% better
Yeah, those mma fighters have a wider skill set. Makes sense that the well-rounded fighter would beat a narrow-focus fighter.
i wanna see a taekwondo match between 2 boxers under sumo rules with open weight classes
Fun fact: 50% of the time, a boxer loses to the boxer in a boxing match.
This comment not having more likes is a crime!
thats infact wrong- there are draws
@@nunududu1142 dammit, you beat me to it!
@@christophervelez1561 it's really not, since it's not that funny and it's WRONG.
It's actually 99.999% of the time a "boxer" loses to a "boxer" in a boxing match.
Why do baseball players always lose to basketball players in basketball?
Because the Lakers are refusing to play well... Again
😂
@@matheusalves5160, oof.
why do lacrose players .. what the fucking flying toasters zomg
Why not do multiple sports I still compete in multiple sports
I think people just think fighting=fighting rather than recognizing how much a ruleset effects things
Wrong way to think away about all fighting is not the same way more to do with the ruleset
Thats true although in most cases they paly the same game - hit and not be hit...
@@krystofcisar469nah MMA can sometimes be grab and try not to be grabbed 😂
Its only obvious why boxers will never fight in the UFC they will get humiliated.
@@tylerdurden8049they are not a good kicker and grappler
This is how I understand the dynamic as someone who doesn't know how to fight: boxing is a combat sport with a very specific rule-set; the ability to disregard certain attack vectors allows boxers to discover and train advanced and nuanced attacks, stances, and other fighting methods that are exceptionally effective in that medium, but would be handicapped if not altogether impossible if the boxer had to defend against all possible kinds of attacks. Conversely, an MMA fighter would usually not have intensive training against such advanced attacks when forced to operate within that rule-set. Am I wrong?
You pretty well hit the nail on the head. For ecample you'll notice that boxers have to learn how to punch at super close range, the clinch. However in mma if someone gets close enough for a clinch it usually ends up with someone getting taken down or yolked up and start eating knees and elbows. But thats just one small example
Very long winded version of specialist vs non-specialist
The other part is that some techniques which are essential to boxing can actually be detrimental in MMA.
THAT'S why you don't see them, rather than MMA fighters can't be bothered learning it.
Head movement, ducking & weaving, high stances, etc
can get you messed up once kicks, knees, and takedowns are in the ruleset.
Well said.
Jit guys also benifit ftom this condition.
Might as well ask why Jon Jones doesn't beat Gordon Ryan at jiu-jitsu.
If you are really not reading from notes and just improvising with your words - it's truly amazing.
As always, thank u for your work
Welcome to the wonderful world of unscripted talking!
Ramsey...a fabulous explanation. As a martial artist of 40 years...I appreciate your insights...
This reminds me of a scene from Kengan Ashura (A Japanese Cartoon)
When going over an MMA fighter, it mentions that it's not just about learning strikes, takedowns, locks etc, but how to flow and interlink them as well
"Flow" exists in boxing, too-- knowing what punches to throw in which scenarios, knowing what evasive movements are appropriate in every scenario and when to correctly time them, going seamlessly from offense to defensive movements, and navigating the ring so that you don't get stuck in a corner all need to be interlinked and doing so creates something that is far more than just the sum of its parts.
@@j.menapace625And you broke down the issue most MMA Fighters face. Even MMA fighters who can box well face this issue for example clay collard is a former UFC fighter who went into boxing getting a record of 9-6-3 beating some undefeated prospects with his best win being 17-1 Quashawn toler. Kaminsky is a good one too who was undeafeted with a 94-8 amateur record. All his losses are to good competition too but like you said his main issue was the flow. The man knows how to box obviously but putting it all together over the course of 8-10 rounds is another story. Obviously ngannou shows its not impossible but very difficult
@@NorthLondon-pm6xy Joshua got close the 2nd fight though a lot of eastern european/soviet style boxers HATE bodyshots. Loma, usyk, Bivol, etc do not like getting hit to the body and are always open especially when they shift angles. Otherwise they are terrific boxers
ah a fellow anime knowledgeable,
good to know👍
You got the best shirts on RUclips Ramsey. Had to put that out there. Some great points in this discussion to. Pretty hard to walk into an mma gym and see guys training in arts identical to the ones down the road. Even more rare to see everyone on an even level in the arts in the gym even if it's just boxing and bjj.
Ramsey: i have seen you wearing many different kind of t shirts on your videos. Normal ones, MMA gear, some nerdy ones..
But skeletor lifting weights in Eternia gym?! I need that shit asap! 💪
Say what you want about Skelator, but he never gave up. Quit was not in the Lord of Snake Mountain's vocabulary.
@@ericdale4641 Why? Are there people saying bad things about Skeletor?
This conversation, I think, has been revived by the Fury-Ngannou fight. On my card, Ngannou only won two or three rounds. But people went nuts about how the fight was rigged because he got a knockdown. I was surprised the judges scored it as closely as they did. Ngannou did WAAAAY better than I thought he would, though. That was a mind-blowingly excellent first performance. But he didn't win.
I think the biggest issue in these crossover fights is that the crossover fans don't know how boxing is scored. On the other hand, with a lot of the decisions I've seen, maybe I don't understand how boxing is scored, either...
I think more of these crossovers should have a minimum 2 fight agreement. For every match that a MMA guy fights in a boxing match, the boxer, too, has to fight the MMA fighter in an MMA match.
@@Joe_Friday It won't happen because the only reason MMA guys fight in boxing is for the money & in that regard the boxers hold all the cards.
Why do Nascar drivers lose to Monster Truck drivers in The Monster Jam?!?
Your right , ive been triying to explain to people you will never loose if you keep getting up.In life and in combat sports 🦂⚡️
I'm not sure why it's overlooked that Ngannou started young and as a boxer and trained exclusively as a boxer for something like 6-8ish years before transitioning to MMA. He's not the typical "law-of-diminishing-returns / good-enough" MMA athlete.
Didn't ngannou start training combat sports at like 25 or 27?
@@hazeshi6779 He started boxing as a teenager in Cameroon, decided to pursue a professional career in boxing at 22 , moved to Paris at like 25 to be a pro boxer, introduced to MMA by his boxing coach Carmont at the time, and switched over to coach Lopez at the MMA Factory at 27. ... So yea years and YEARS of boxing cultivation, that infamous punching power didn't just fall out of the sky.
So you're claiming ngannou for the boxing community? 😆 I get it, he's a phenom. But his style definitely comes from his mma experience! Remember, mist if Francis's fight experience comes directly from mma style/boxing/kickboxing.
@@hazeshi6779 I'm not claiming him for any community 🤣 Ngannou went in to depth on his background in boxing before the fight with Joe Rogan.
On some level, I feel it's disrespectful to pretend a fighter is just an overnight success.
Imagine you work your but off for 8 years before you go pro, and everyone just pretends those 8 years never happened.
At that level of the game , everyone is their own animal. Everyone is an exception to the rule. To pretend Ngannou is "just an MMA fighter who is naturally strong and started from scratch at 27" is disrespectful to the man and the work he has put in.
Ngannou only trained boxing for about 2-3 years, not 6-8. He pointed out in an interview that he only did a year in Cameroon before getting too sick to train, and later heading to France.
Certain boxing fans started huffing copium, and created this narrative that Ngannou was boxing since forever, but it's not true. It's the same when boxers tried to claim Sean Strickland, despite Strickland having no boxing background whatsoever, and being MMA trained from day 1. MMA strikers are simply better than people realize.
This man is a champion , (Search dictionary for meaning of champion) , of personal integrity, (search dictionary for integrity) . Thank you Mr. Dewey. 👌🖖
Mr. Dewey, I have recently purchased a heavy bag and have been sniffing around for a good pair of gloves to complement it and in the process, have come across your product reviews. That little taste led me down your rabbit hole. You're a smart and wise person and I appreciate your wisdom. You're not just some random meathead and truly have great wisdom to offer. I have subscribed, have watched many of your other videos, and look forward to more. Thank you. You look like a superhero, by the way, lol.
Cool! Thanks for the kind words. Now get out there and train with that heavy bag!
In retrospect, it really shouldnt suprise anyone that Jake Paul has wins over a bunch of retired MMA fighters when 1) these men are all past their physical peak (age 36+), 2) they all have a careers worth of accumulated physical trauma and wear and tear on their bodies which further hampers their athleticism, 3) most of Pauls opponents arent even strikers, theyre all grapplers. Ben Askren is notoriously aweful at striking, he was a wrestler. Tyrone Woodly, another wrestler. Nate Diaz is a bjj fighter who is notably pillow-fisted. The only elite mma striker that Jake Paul has boxed has been Anderson Silva, who mind you, is fucking ancient (nearly 50 years old) and has a metal rod for a shin. And despite this he still went on to have a competitive fight with a young athletic guy half his age in the limited ruleset of a boxing match.
If Silva was 10 years younger and didnt have a debilitating handicap, he would have likely starched Jake Paul.
Wouldn't a MMA fighter have to sort out "Oh I can't use that" repeatively when fighting under different rule? That kind of constant calculation would get in the way of your decision making versus someone who might just be using every tool at their disposal. I'm not talking pausing for 5 sec before acting but it can get in the way of the split second decision you have to take in a fight or reflexive stuff.
If there's a training camp for the fight it's not a big problem. Even in sparring classes where some practicioners don't have shin guards you can end up switching between MT/kickboxing and just boxing. Even kickboxing classes handle the low kick vs K1 rule set (allows knees, clinch, throws, catching kicks) and while less common nowadays the full contact rules.
But with a couple months of fight camp it becomes natural.
@@ChucksSEADnDEAD you can't train all the muscle memory out though, it's a genuine problem, though not a massive one for top end fighters. In the heat of the fight, the MMA fighters do often look like they're about to do something illegal, like a takedown, on instinct and then catch themselves.
@ChucksSEADnDEAD not a big/unsurmontable problem indeed, but the boxer(or other) don't have it so it's an handicap
@@bipolarminddroppings I've never been a top end fighter and I've never kicked anyone during boxing sparring.
When I was a custodian in the school district, a good friend of mine who was a boxer knew that I train in classical Chinese martial arts, and we talked all the time. One day we were in a classroom deep cleaning he asked me if I could beat him in a fight.
I answered that it depended on a lot of things, like location for example. I told him that if it was in a boxing ring he would kill me because he specialized in upper body fighting, but here in this classroom, he would have to deal with the fact that I had a lot of training in fighting around furniture, had training in picking up a sharp pencil here in this classroom and using it, using a mop handle as a staff, and so on. Heck, I even had a putty knife attached to a pole that I could use as a spear, which I trained with quite extensively.
I think the same argument could be used with MMA fighters and boxers, like the hand gear used for example. Boxing or MMA hand gear? MMA rules with takedowns or boxing rules, striking only and above waist.
IP Classroom man
I bet he moves around furniture better than you too.
99% of time the martial artist gets punched into orbit by the primitive boxer
Reminds of that time a guy asked me if I could outrun him and I told him it depends, for example I could totally take him if I had my e-bike and we were going uphill. :P
@@myh106 I like this, made me laugh out loud! 🤣👍
The opening example is the one I’m giving every time to similar questions (just tennis vs. table tennis player).🙂
Speaking of being able to take punishment and moving forward. What do you think of JIRI VS ALEX early stoppage?
I've seen Jiri recover from being rocked. In recent example him, vs Dominic. You can see his career highlights where this has happened, but he got knocked completely out, too.
It was a little early, but perfectly fair. As a ref, if you see a fighter go limp while being hit repeatedly in the head, it's kind of your duty to call it over to protect the fighter. Alex was going to end up on top, there's a chance Jiri would recover like he did before, but there's a more likely chance Alex is going to cause unnecessary damage.
I'd like to see them fight again, I'm surprised Jiri wasn't more capable of switching stances.
That fight was over.
I wonder if that is why, under “mma” rules, a striker match up ends in bad grappling and vice versa. Personally I like style vs style more.
At 6:05 ramsey just described bruce lee...Bruce lee is very specialized in wing chun and boxing and kung fu styles...but in the 60s he never participated in karate and boxing tournaments because he knew that he was skilled in his own thing and that's OK....he is still the most influential martial artist of the 20th century
he specialized in Jeet Kune Do which is a fusion of boxing, wing chun and fensing. he didn't fight in tournements because he believed it was unnecessary and not true fighting
@houseofaction dude that's exactly what I said...
@houseofaction He created jeet kune do didn't specialized in
Jeet kune do was very much like traditional martial arts which have not been proven in competition because they are theory-based and designed for self-defense most traditional martial arts are very outdated and truly do not work in a real life situation or in competition I know a lot of people don't like when that fact is pointed out because most people that practice traditional martial arts have never been in a real fight
If someone were to ask for my perspective, I'd liken boxers to a knife and MMA fighters to a multi-tool. Just as a knife is designed for precision and effectiveness in specific tasks, boxers excel in their specialized skills and techniques. However, much like a multi-tool, MMA fighters bring a diverse set of abilities to the table, making them adaptable in a wide range of situations. While a knife is invaluable for specific tasks, if I had to choose, I would opt for a multi-tool most of the time due to its versatility. BTW, hey, Ramsey. Old fan. I think I was seriously one of your first thousand if not a couple hundred subscribers! I'm pretty sure I remember that correctly. Big fan!
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Great observation!
I mean it's pretty evident. The same reasons boxers get wrecked in mma.
Coach, people just don’t understand, thank you for helping educate. But a lot won’t ever understand until they get out there and train
Boxing is slick smooth and much older. Never box a boxer. Never kick a kicker. Never wrestle a wrestler. Never play their game.
Thanks for always A-ing those Q's, coach! ;-)
So, I Coach teams in technical organizations. I build them like special forces teams...what we call T shaped skillets. Deep expertise in a couple of disciplines, broad but less deep skills across several other skillets. It helps build teams that can tackle any situation.
This is why Goku had his famous paper, scissors, rock attack...
Hi Mr. Dewey,
I have a question I hope you'll be able to address.
BLUF: For general fitness and self-defense, should I focus on Strength or Martial Arts?
Due to my life situation, I am only reasonably able to dedicate around 3 days to either fitness or self-defense. Some background on me- I wrestled in high school, and generally feel I have an advantage over someone untrained that is my own size or a little larger. However, I would say I am generally clueless with stand-up. For fitness, I have previously had success with the Starting Strength routine, but recently stopped going as frequently due to having a child. I am planning on picking back up again and trying to see if I can fit martial arts training into my routine. I am interested in starting either an MMA class or BJJ, however the only way I can see myself doing that is sacrificing time from my Strength routine. For self-defense and general fitness, is it better to have a sub-par strength routine with martial arts training or no martial arts training with an optimal strength routine?
Thanks for all the content you make! Even though I'm a guy who has not "gone out there and trained" yet, I always enjoy your channel!
There are so many variables in MMA, that every fighter looks unique!
Those particularities makes the sport very entertaining to watch, even if you are a casual watcher 👆😁
Hi Ramsey - if possible, I would like to hear your take on the need to physically defend your loved ones from threats, especially as a trained martial artist. I agree with you 100% on avoiding conflict involving only myself and a potential assailant at all costs (at the possible expense of ego and money), but I personally have the exact opposite response whenever a loved one is in danger; this is especially true for the women in my life who have to worry more about sexual harassment/assault attempts (ie. groping) from random degenerates. I am curious to hear your own opinion on this matter.
I think a better analogy would be a tennis player playing squash, racquetball or even ping-pong. The basic movements and mechanics hitting a ball inbounds the other person can't return are the same. And most tennis players would be high up in ping pong and with an amount of training could be elite
Hey Coach, can you show how to do feints/fakes properly, and how to avoid being fooled by them?
Question: if we lived in a world with cybernetic enhanced prosthetics, how would that affect submission martial arts?
Banned I would assume, or create a prosthetic division?
kudos, It took me some time to see that.Which is , even been deeply into boxing,I respect MMA a lot!
On the other hand many MMA fighters excel in K1, BJJ and wrestling competitions. Boxing has such a different ruleset that it's true both ways: I have seen very few high level boxers venture into MMA and reach the top of the ladder
@praywithoutceasing4939 Mayweather had literally mercy of the Irishman and did not humiliate him, but they were two different universes when it comes to boxing. If we repeated the match 1000 times MW would have won 1000 times. With MMA rules it would have been the opposite as you said
Still sharp Ramsey thank you for the post !
Hey coach!
I just opened my bjj gym at the end of September. I have a small student base and have a great culture in the gym. Everyone rolls safely, but trains hard. My gym is new enough that I can control the culture. I asked Armchair Violence about how I can build the culture as he defines it between authoritarian/liberal and process/results oriented. I want to have the environment be collaborative for adults and a little more structured for kids. How would you describe the culture in your gym and is it the same between competitors and non competitors? Is it the same between adults and kids? Thanks in advance coach!
Hey, Ramsey,
I have a rules question for you for MMA.
Is the pressure point below the Adam's Apple allowed? I mean other front chock variants are still allowed, so can you just stick your index and bird finger into someone's throat with one hand, and then hammer fist them in the nose or temple with the other hand while they are disabled by the "gag reflex"?
I mean, if that's legal, then MMA fights shouldn't last more than 5 or 10 seconds before someone wins.
Is the "Filter/Vice" pressure point below the nose allowed? This seems to make it too easy to submit heavyweights directly (I've done it one-handed before,) and it also makes it too easy to apply a RNC variant or a Darce choke variant. Just my opinion, but is that legal? If it is legal, why doesn't anyone in MMA seem to know this pressure point? Especially when going RNC, you use one hand to apply the "Filter/Vice" pressure point, which pulls opponent's nose and chin up and back, then you slip your free arm into RNC position, and now your first arm is in perfect position to completely the "Figure Four" portion of the lock. So it seems piss easy to choke out a 2nd to 4th dan opponent with this technique.
Guys question is basically “telling me you don’t know fighting without telling you don’t know about fighting”
Simple fact is, at a very high level these are two completely different sports. Punching in MMA is not punching in boxing.
Hey coach,
greetings from Australia, I am in a bit of a pickle with my sparring at my local Mauy Thai gym.
So I am a bit more experienced than quite a few of the people in my class and when we spar, I always try to spar light, with light contact to the body and legs, and with punches to the head, I stop just before hitting them, or like a point karate match, with very a little touch to the face. Although a problem I have is that with the more experienced people, I think that they don't seem to understand that I pulled the punch and or kick on their face. I also fear that, I also fear that my coach thinks that I missed. My question is, How can I effectively communicate to my coach that, and/or them that I'm going very light with punches and kicks to the head as to not injure them?
P.s love your videos
Boxers don't grapple so I have dominated boxers not cos of kicks but cos of my muay thai plum clinch knees but when I try it against an MMA fighter I get taken down and submitted.
Well said.
I would not want to see how boxers do in MMA. 🤣😂😆😆😆😆
Well, there was that Inoki vs Ali thing even if it was dumb
It depends on the boxer.
@@silentassassin423 And the MMAer, and a whole host of other variables.
Still, I think most boxers would be at a disadvantage in an MMA fight, IF, and I repeat IF, they had roughly "the same level of skill".
This idea of having "the same level of skill" however is very vague and slippery, because Boxers are either EXPERT-
SPECIALISTS or ONE-TRICK PONIES, depending on how you look at it and depending how the fight goes down.
An MMA fighter has to train in punching, evading, slipping, kicking, grappling, etc. whereas the boxer just trains punching and evading, but because the boxer only trains in those areas they could be much better at it.
If the boxer is better but the MMA fighter manages to avoid his KO-shots and grapple, well then the boxer is probably going to be in deep doo-doo. Probably. There are always execptions.
@@NorthLondon-pm6xy Yeah, but those are all commercial reasons. The point was looking at how each practitioner performs in the other sport and if on the whole one group does "better" than the others?
Btw. it is not my comparison. It was just the focus at the beginning of RD's vid.
May guess is that boxers have a rougher time of it than MMA fighters do in boxing rings, but wtf do I know? It would be cool to know though.
@@manfredconnor3194 A fighter can always improve. Depends on the mindset.
Look at Alex Pereira. His grappling was really bad back then. He had no hope on the ground. Then he improved his grappling to be able to survive on the ground at least until the round ends. And now, he can actually get up after being taken down by championship level fighters.
So the triade of performance is basically Zelda's Triforce ?
Power,Wisdom, Courage.
Hahaha! Yes.
If its a martial art involving kicks everybody accepts that the specialist will win, but if only the hands are involved like in boxing they are not sure because most guys think they are good at throwing hands because it seems easy or easier compared to kicks or throws etc
Hay Ramsey I understand you're probably busy but I would like to hear your continuation reading the New testament given your commentary and such it's been helpful to me in the past
Perhaps I will!
To your point about Wonderboy, he actually did have a wrestling match with Houston Jones who, despite the ridiculous character he portrays, actually has a significant amount of wrestling experience and ability. He’s not a World Champ but he’s no slouch either. And yes, folded Wonderboy like a pretzel several times.
Just to make sure nobody misinterprets (eh who am I kidding, this is the internet) I am NOT disparaging Wonderboy. I think Wonderboy’s great! He’s a good martial artist and seems like a wonderful person. Houston is also a cook dude and they’re obviously friends and it was a friendly match for fun.
This is like asking why do speed skaters always beat figure skaters in speed skating races.
Depends. Boxing rules are definitely going to favor a boxer.
Connor McGregor is a great boxer. He just trains boxing for MMA. He's naturally going to be at a disadvantage against a great boxer that doesn't have to modify anything with boxing rules.
It tends to just work like that.
I do Kung Fu with kickboxing elements. If a Judoka is fighting kickboxing rules, why be surprised I won. I promise he'd fold my ass like a fitted sheet if I did it via grappling rules.
Hey Ramsey! Here's a fun question I saw for covering geekiness and martial arts:
If you had to learn 6 martial arts to become Batman, what would they be?
Hi Ramsey, I'm fighting in mma for the second time in december, first fight I lost to a decision in points, I'm ok with the result, it was fair and I was happy with how I did, but I feel the reason why I lost was that I was too careful, not really scared on all honesty, I felt fine in there but I couldn't let loose and pull the trigger in moments that I was winning because of the fear of messing up a good position/winning moment, I think it has to do with channeling agression, do you have any thoughts or advice? Thank you regardless ~ Tomo
@praywithoutceasing4939 I started with JKD and Wing Chun, but most time I spent with formal training was JapaneseJuJitsu, so I started with mostly striking stuff, but now I'm more of a grappler,
ps I just won that fight via submission a few days ago
I feel that if I was an MMA fighter and faced all the things I had to learn, I'd go "confound it" and become a boxer.
Can you go into the not having to have done it since a child?
Honestly, it depends.
I've noticed that hockey players fight a lot. What martial arts would be good for them? Grappling with a gi seems like a good. However, I think tae kwon do would be too deadly with ice skates. I would love to hear your thoughts.
Ice hockey players are good fighters.
@@GuitarsRockForever I think it's part of the sport
If you're playing hockey and hit someone with your blades, you don't just get a penalty, you get expulsed and imprisoned for attempted murder. That being said, i'd say probably muay Thai because fighting in hockey is basically some kind of clinch. You could do some judo throws, but grappling a guy to the ground without throwing a punch isn't perceived as winning the fight.
Pretty sure hockey players just need to learn to chill the fuck out, not learn to fight better.
@@ninjafruitchilledthen aikido might be a good route for them.
Muay Thai fighters have been more successful in boxing than MMA fighters.
I have tried to use descriptors like you did before but often it's just easier to say "Muay Thai, Boxing, with some other stuff". 90% of people you try to talk to about this kind of stuff have no idea what the descriptors mean, but they have rough idea of what most martial arts are. Yeah I took other martial arts, I can kick you. I took wrestling, I am shit but I can grapple a bit. But if you watch me spar, the guy with less knowledge goes "that kickboxer likes elbows and low kicks a lot". That's what they want to know. Talking to someone who knows martial arts, yeah that's not what I say, but almost nobody in day to day life knows more than at best a surface level about martial arts.
Hey ramsey, I've never seen anyone i watch mention Doug marcaida and his "kali" stuff
I'd love to see you do a dive into whatever it is he does. Lots of knife and stick based stuff I'm guessing.
I only really know him from forged in fire which I've just been watching
Okay, but if you were in a fighting game what would your unique moves be?
Well, most of the time MMA fighters are fighting at a lower weight class than the fighter they are going up against. Francis I think showed perfectly that if in the same weight class, fireworks happens.
I think because muscle memory.......
You also hit the nail on the head, the non specialist loses to the specialist
Hey Ramsay, I recently started doing Sanda (for two weeks). What are some Sanda tips for beginners as there are very few resources for it online in English? Thanks for the great content.
I do muay thai 12 years and BJJ brown belt and was a high school wrestler. However, I do not do mma. I have never combined them outside of an occasional sparring session. I can probably do MMA at a very low level. But im going to get smoked at anything above that.
And that is a very honest self assessment. That’s the first great step toward wisdom.
Hi coach, I just had another thought
How important is each skill in MMA? While MMA is it's own sport, it's still composed of several different skill sets (boxing, wrestling, etc). What would happen if you lacked one of: kicking, boxing, clinch fighting, wrestling (perhaps both for normal and for the wall), and ground game? (What happens if you are not proficient in one of the above skill sets?)
Then the guy who is good at the thing you suck at beats you.
I'm 23, I wish I knew the value of time like you said in this.
Thanks Coach!
If you fight a Judo Specialist with Judo rules you're going to lose, If you fight a Wrestling specialist with Wrestling rules you lose, A Kickboxer with Kickboxing rules you lose.
I think you can add 2 more topics to de triangle: inteligence and context. Inteligence: maybe the other have better techniques, but i have analized his fighting style, I have timing, etc. Context: maybe one has a weapon or the other dont, maybe is 5 vs 1, etcetera
I would never try to outboxe a boxer in his game, i known my limitations. But let me use kick and grappling and I'm more confident in going all out 😅
"More medals have been won by punch the clock workouts than by any extraordinary efforts" Dan John.
If a Boxer and a non-Boxer have a Boxing match, the Boxer has the advantage. It absolutely baffles me that there are people who don't understand this. It's literally common sense.
A “specialist” is screwed if his particular skill set eg boxing is not appropriate for the exchange they find themselves in. Someone with a well rounded skill set incorporating all ranges (mma) is going to have a much better chance of survival in or out of the cage. Jeez, hasn’t anyone seen what happened to the specialists in the early UFC’s?
It's common sense, a boxer is spending ALL of their time BOXING. An MMA fighter HAS to split their time between, boxing/kickboxing, wrestling and ground work.
If I could like twice I would. I can't believe some ppl don't get this 😆
@@AtomicTetragon Common sense seems to be disappearing now a days.
Great example with the classroom analogy.
The problem is that most MMA fans think that MMA fighters can automatically beat anybody at any given discipline just because they are "mixed martial fighters "compare apples to apples just think about it several legendary MMA fighters have lost to Jake Paul who is a mediocre boxer at best but I think the same would happen if a top boxer goes into a mixed martial arts fight same would happen he would lose the main difference is that mixed martial arts practitioners are the ones that are calling out boxers in boxing matches and not the other way around I haven't heard any boxer say he could beat any mixed martial artist in the octagon
Loving the vids, so here's my question. There has been this pic of a10th degree "master" in 22 differnent styles. I was wondering your thoughts on it if you've seen it. I was trying to ignore it, but I just keep seeing it everywhere. I'm only bothered by it because I know it takes a life time to reach 10th dan in one style, but I was just wonderin your take. Thanks in advance. I'm getting out there and training.
Are you talking about GILBERTO PAUCIULLO?
You doubt that his 10th degree black belt in “mexed martial arts” is legit? How dare you! 😁
@@RamseyDewey yep that's the one. I usally don't pay any attention to these fakes, but my friends and co-workers keep bringing it up. lol
Man. Your voice. Please tell me you do voices for TV shows or cartoons. It would work so well!
Ramsey or anyone reading this I really need some help. I can only afford to go to jiu jitsu classes 2 days a week. Is it better to go consecutively, like monday then tuesday, or try to evenly space them out, like monday then thursday? OR is it a better idea to go 4 days one week, then take a week off, then do 4 days again, then a week off?
I can see arguments for each of these options, but what would truly be the most optimal routine?
I like your voice man easy to listen to. Not to be a weirdo or anything.
Best voice on YT
I dont understand why steve nash couldnt out dunk vince carter. They both play basketball.
MMA fighter = Jack of Some Trades
An MMA fighter trains to win MMA fights. Respect MMA as its own sport.
Very good video 👍 .....karate (shotokon) here ....thinking a complete fighter would be someone who took boxing/wrestling to a high degree .....just my opinion....
So;
MMA x Boxer in a Boxing match is in favor to the boxer.
MMA x Boxer in a MMA match in in favor of the MMA fighter unless he sucks at other styles too.
MMA x Boxer in a brawl is in favor of the boxer until he fails to deescalate/ land quick KOs
Is that it?
In a brawl the MMA fighter takes down and submits easily, unless they have terrible grappling skills. If they cannot take down a Boxer, who has no grappling training, they have no business being an MMA fighter.
Before watching the video....
“Why do MMA fighters always lose to Boxers”...
A. THEY DONT
B. Anytime there’s a crossover fight it’s usually under the “Marques of Queensbury” (AKA BOXING RULES) rule set. So it’s basically a Boxing match which strips the MMA fighter of at least 75% of his weaponry. Forcing the MMA fighter to face the Boxer at the Boxers greatest strength while simultaneously the Boxer doesn’t have to contend with ANY of his weaknesses (what would most likely be the Boxers weaknesses. For instance Boxing champ Terrence Crawford has a Wrestling background. But 99% of the time the Boxer will have no additional martial arts/combat sports background. And in the rare cases they do it’s likely not going to be on par with the MMA fighters skills in that same area).
Other than James Toney no Boxer is going to dare enter a fight vs an MMA fighter, under MMA rules. (And I attribute that Couture vs Toney one off scenario to ignorance instead of bravery).
C. The only time I’ve seen a night of fights between Boxers and MMA fighters where they actually altered the rules to “meet in the middle” it was still heavily in favor of the Boxers. They didn’t allow any kicks, elbows, or grappling. Again stripping the MMA fighter of about 75% of his weapons while stripping the Boxer of ZERO of his. I guess because the fights took place inside a cage instead of a ring they called that a factor in favor of the MMA fighter. Utterly irrelevant. Utterly ridiculous. Total smoke and mirrors which unfortunately fools many of the lesser knowledgeable combat sports fans. Such as whoever asked this question for example.
Even in Boxing matches where the Boxer totally obliterated the MMA fighter (Jake Paul vs Askren or Joshua vs Ngannou) with a simple change in the fight rules there’d almost certainly be a completely different result. Allowing grappling and kicks I’d expect Askren to probably submit J.Paul in about 3-4 minutes of the first round.
Ngannou (with a proper gameplan) would almost immediately take Joshua down and likely GNP his way to a KO victory (or ref stoppage) within 60-90 seconds of the first round.
If Boxers were all as “Brave” as James Toney was and/or the BIG BUCKS were in MMA instead of in Boxing then everyone would quickly see the difference. The MMA fighters would win 95% of the time.
One rare circumstance that would favor the Boxer (and I’m sure it’d probably happen because there’s always a few numbskulls) would be when an MMA fighter known for his striking was too proud to shoot for a takedown and gets himself KO’d by the Boxer. (See Ray Mercer vs Tim Sylvia).
A Mixed Martial Artist should already know boxing.
is the title refferring to Boxing matches? seems obvious that Boxers would be better at that.
Like if you put a BJJ guy in a judo competition. They might do okay, but the moment the go against a properly skilled opponent, they are gonna get thrown out of their gi. Then swap them, and the Judo guy would likely get beat in a BJJ competition by a blue belt.
MMA guys learn to fight the MMA style, if they can't use all of those tools, they are at a disadvantage to someone who trains specifically in Boxing, Judo, BJJ etc
how to balance weight training and mma training according to winter summer season change. should a person double the weight training in winter or increase cardio
why do basketball players loose to sockerplayers in socker
they are both ballsports right?
What do you think about Chou Lee Fut? Is it any good?
😂 your satire has. Been on point lately Ramsey
Artem Lobov (who has a sub 500 record in MMA) beat former world champion Paulie Malignaggi in bare knuckle boxing.
45 year old Anderson Silva beat former world champion Julio Ceazer Chavez.
An almost 50 year old Mark Hunt (who had a sub 500 record in MMA) knocked out undefeated boxer Sunny Bill Williams.
An old and past prime Vitor Belfort TKOd a very old and past prime Evander Holyfield in a fight that never should’ve happened
An old and past prime Anthony Pettis outpointed a very old and past prime Roy Jones Junior earlier this year
Francis Ngannou was robbed by Tyson Fury
LOL Sonny Bill Williams is a rugby player, not a real boxer.
Bareknuckle is also not the same thing as gloved boxing-- the pace, angles, defense, viable targets, and punch form are all completely different. If anything, bareknuckle is more similar to MMA striking than it is to gloved boxing.
Everything else I agree with you, though-- even if Anderson lost his very next bout to Jake Paul, he still has a win over a legit (if not undisciplined and unfocused) world champion.
Maaan thats problem iam stil dealing with when I spar boxers in classic box and iam mma fighter, they still think its same and critize my style of standup but I cant switch to classic box bruh, they are still blind but they are not going to try mma train
Today found this video (it's in German) ruclips.net/video/He_Km2jrqig/видео.html about knife fighting and how the chances of an armed police officer against a knife attack. I guess even without understanding German it's quite interesting considering how your knife fights were judged in the Ultimate Self Defense Championship. Main takeaways:
1. If the knife attacker is not >=7 meters away, the holstered pistol is no advantage. Also, even at 7 meters a police officer is not able to shoot very precise and might not be able to stop the attacker.
2. A baton is not an effective weapon against a knife fighter who is willing to attack, because defenses against knifes using a Baton are not high percentage.
3. If the knife fighter is less than two meters away and you are not expecting an attack, you will most likely die.
4. Many knife attacks can quickly turn deadly, because torso stab wounds are difficult to treat in the field.
5. Knifes are able to cut nasty wounds without much swinging (no shit sherlock)
Why do boxers always lose to MMA fighters in an MMA fight?
Wise words Ramsey. 👌
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