@@shjelde660 Kind if depends on what you are looking for. Paladins have lower damage numbers but they're better 5man tanks than Warriors by a huge margin and they're better single target raid tanks than Warriors in raid content if your 40man is class stacking. Ret can also fill as a healer or an off tank without changing specs pretty much ever so if flexibility is something you value there ya go. If you're just interested in RAW damage, though, I agree that they're far behind pretty much every other spec in the game
I quit Turtle WOW many years ago, now I'm thinking of coming back because of these changes. Paladin has always been my favorite class, that's why I love playing on WotLK private servers, where they really started shine! (Granted I never played any expansion after that retail or private). With the change to Redoubt, we get to REALLY become more viable as a tank, because as a tank you're supposed to push getting critical hit off the table (Hit, Miss, Dodge, Parry, Block). With the addition of the other changes, the only limiting factor for a Paladin to be an MT in raids (push crit off the table) is the limited amount of equipment to mitigate critical hits. Unless they put 3 different specs for their tier armor, which would be interesting to see.
Great video my friend! Really appreciate the lengths you went to showcase the changes with 200sp. You gotta get your hands on the non-comsumable epic version of the manual crowd pummeler, I think its part of engineering profession but i'm not totally sure. I really want to experiment around with one soon.
I have been playing Ret pally on private servers and actual classic wow for years (even got hand of rag in classic) and i think that for PVP this version of a paladin would be outrageously overpowered.
They are definately stronger, but remember, all other classes also recived some buffs/changes. Only time will tell. Check out Looloo Jenkins video, he's a ret with Might of Menethil: ruclips.net/video/pgr2oO4dlhg/видео.html Very strong but then again so if the elemental shaman Fuzz ruclips.net/video/8H3TpM-3CZY/видео.html. If anything, i'd still say ele is stronger?
@@shjelde660 Paladin OP, you talk over & ignore that point really well so i will say it again. Current turtle wow paladin is OP and should be tuned down. It is destroying PvP and PvPers already left because of it. Sure it can be fixed, current state its broken. And nobody should be hanged for it, its just a game. But you keep glossing over the point Paladin is OP so i say it again, Paladin is OP.
Yes I've thought abut that aswell. Also think about how busted it could be in pvp, with the silencer blade, 6 sec silence. You can almost keep any caster permanently silenced...
Basically everything weapon that would be completely broken with this Jotc has also got reduced proc chance-changes. So don't worry about it being too broken. Yes proccing night fall is very nice and strong but it also still means that the pally sacrifices most of his dps. I've been told by a few geared pallies that for damage + proc it's still best to rock SoR
Just starting on Turtle, thinking about what class should I try this time. Paladin was my since I started playing wow. And still is the class that is most interesting to me. I will give a try to the prot paladin this time.
There's no point in having a mana bar, if you can't deplete it by doing damage or healing If you want to give an energy bar to the Paladin ? that's a step too far The class changes in Turtle WoW are already on the brink of being retarded
What a fantastic video, even though im a long time wow player I have never really understood the math behind it but you made it so easy to understand. Ive been playing on turtle as a mage for the last 5 months but I have burnt out on my mage and have been looking for a new class to play but I am unable to decide. I eagerly await your next video, if you do a druid one be sure to mention all the item additions like the epic crowd pummeler and the elemental 4 piece set for ferals ;)
Thanks for the video! Hit 60 on my paladin a few days ago and having a blast, i didnt know all the details of the changes i just looked at the trees and really liked the moving up of holy shield. Aoe grinded from 37-60 very fast. 13/21 and then went down to improved ret aura in the ret tree. Definitely gonna have to play around with different builds, spell damage effecting ret aura is news to me.
hey great video. I would skip the first part, cause people can and will read the information turtle put on their site. The testing was the most interesting part for me. Also i would like a comparison in tanking with turtle warrior and druid (maybe shaman even). And pls dont forget pvp. I would like a video about shaman. Can they tank dungeons on turtle, is ele viable in pve and what about the mana issues. What about the new shots for hunters? Rogues get a throw but does this matter? They also get a disguise. How does this fare in pvp? What about shadow and their mana issues? ... I think turtle did a great job and it is worth the time and effort to analyse the changes at a deeper level
I've seen you a few times in game but I don't bother you because I don't want to interrupt your enjoyment of the game , great video buddy and very helpful as I'm a pally :) My ingame name is Shagmeister :)
RLY cool video mate! I love Paladin tanks and didn't hear you mention taunt for them and for that i am sad.. Still gonna be hard tanking without taunt :/
@@shjelde660 soc phys ret is a bad 1.12 meme and pvp only. for pve here you do better gearing with hybrid t2.5 style gear with SoR. so yeah, SoR twisting some JotC in there.
@@ugoboom Yes i figured as much, especially with SoR scaling and it working as a second hit to proc weapon enchants/procs etc. twinting JotC to force waheter falls off i recon?
There is actually an upcoming quest line for it asaik . Some of it is completed alrdy ( and seems very hard; to kill a summon able raid boss in Stratlive). Think Devs are still working on it
Okay, I want to see a paladin use this version of seal of the crusader with a flurry axe, as well as BRD trinket, scroll of blinding light, and a haste potion... Combine that with the fiery blaze enchant from badlands and post a video of the resulting barrage of AOE damage please! (It may even scale with spell power slightly... which would be wild.) Also use in conjunction with skullflame shield ahahaha... Oh! Or the BRD trident with full spell power gear (because it's thorns proc does scale with spellpower) and it's effect on mobs/players attacking you! You could make a macro to equip it with SoC and then swap to a spell power 1h and shield... For perspective, in classic vanilla if I used this trident with my t2.5 set and got a proc in PVP I could kill high warlord geared/t3 rogues and t2.5 fury warriors without using a single offensive ability... the reflect damage would hit them for about 400-500 damage or more per melee swing against me, so I could literally just stand there and watch them kill themselves as if I had just popped retaliation! Oh my God I can't wait to try this server out when I get home, I'm definitely going to cause some hot fixes to be put out if these haven't been preemptively patched already lol...
Yes there are many different cool builds, also alot more scales with SP on this server cause it runs on a Nost core, so it will be different than classic. SoR also works as a melle attack, so it can proc trinkets, enchants etc,
if its somehow possible to make a video of the new gear for each spec on turtle wow, as they added i think 4 new costum dungeons. So some pre bis list for sure changed around, as the server hit few days ago 4,5k players too, it will be helpful for a lot people.
You mentioned the rework of seal of the crusader my question is does the attack speed bonus from seal of the crusaders stack with windfury totem. For example if a paladin and a shaman are in a dungeon together will these two abilities be able to stack to get a 4-second weapon speed down under 2 seconds?
Is it really true that crusader strike does not proc seals? When I use it on rank 1 with judgment of wisdom, I get alot of mana back, way more than just auto attacking?
14:15 i am baffled it didn't worked like that before the change ... since you attack faster(more hits) with the seal up .. shouldn't the enchants have already a higher chance to proc? i remember i tested a twink dual dagger rogue procs on crusader with "slice and dice" is literally insane ...
most of these are actually based on proc per minute which means just cause your weapon is faster, they wont proc more. At least on retail thats how it was but I am not sure if they touched anything here.
hunter's the same but you have tbc steadyshot and do more dps with a more boring rotation lock is unchanged, but debuff limit raised means they have spriests always buffing them with weaving shaman is basically unchanged except a single target bloodlust in deep enh, and restos will sometimes take it, while enh is still bad and needs to totem twist to be taken
Turtle wow is very true to vanilla, you won't feel the "plus" stuff the same way as you would with duskhaven or project epoch. That said, turtle wow is a progressed server. If you want a "fresh" vanilla server u better off waiting for SoM 2
Im thinking bout rolling a paladin. I have 2 frienes who never played and wanna get into Classic. Was gonna roll druid so i could tank dps heal if we needed it for dungeouns. But im debating pally or druid. Anyone able to give some insight fkr turtle?
Sounds like there's real abuse/fun potential with SotC. Could find some OP interactions with weapons like Hand of Edward the Odd, Ironfoe, Bonereaver's, Untamed Blade etc. If the mana returns from blocking are high enough you could perhaps become a self healing dungeon tank with HoEtO. Strange that they did Holy dirty like that when it sounds like they had a good thing going with longer lasting judgements. From what I can tell, aside from the Holy Shock buff, Holy hasn't received much at all compared to the other two specs. But to be fair, it was OP from the getgo. From what I've heard, Turtle has perhaps too many palas already? Understandable since it sounds like they've gotten the most love. I'd be curious to know how priest and warrior have changed. Also, thanks for the excellent video!
Yes ! i havnt tested HoEtO cause its very expensive on this server, but yes i've seen several ppl with Untamed Blade, and with crusader thats a perma 400+ str! plus another 20% from kings and talents. and u can imagine HoEtO with illumination and divine favor + SS you could absolutely sustain yourself against small packs
I can confirm you that all those high end proc weapons have had reduced proc chances. I bought my hand of Edward just a week after the change and was quite sad to find out it's completely not worth it to spam Jotc for the proc. Still a great aoe farming weapon though. Other big stun items are also definitely reduced in chance ( though untamed blade can keep full uptime) And yes there is quite an abundance of paladins, which is great but it also means there is less space for them in raids
Nice, video. Made a Paladin, currently lvl 22, and I was bit confused over the Seal of the Crusader and Seal of Command changes. I got Verigans Fist and thought about Retribution as leveling spec, but i also read about the Protection spec. How would you spec around the 20 to 25 level mark?
well, they'll probably be shorter, but i had to cut away 20 mins more from the paladin video, (leaving that for another video, mostly stuff about gear, scaling, new rotations and pvp) so the other videos wont be that much shorter :b but i'll try my best
Seems to me that they buffed paladins way too much! They've always been a popular class, and amongst the best at surviving. But now they can dps, aoe farm, great sustain, healing and survivability. And a free mount on top of that! Are all other classes also supposed to be able to heal and have as great survivabilty? Are warriors now obsolete?
Maybe :\ i'm not 60 and fully geared, so i cant really compare yet. BUT i know that turtle wow takes great care as to what and how the implement stuff. i think they would try to balance things somewhat in pvp. and not just pve.
@@shjelde660 Not necessarily at lvl 60. How about comparing paladin to a warrior at lvl 30 or 40, say when it comes to questing or pvp - who'd come on top? How about paladin vs a rogue? How's the balance there?
@@RatimirRS it that case, i can easily speak on that cause i've done it all. Paladin is only slightly stronger in pvp, mainly cause of holy strike. you dont really use crusader strike in pvp. Maybe in duels, but not in bgs. As prot they are much better for grinding, and tanking in dungeons. On par, if not a bit better than warriors. Paladin is still very weak against casters
its supposed to be like a warriors sunder armor. It was what the paladin had in vanilla beta :) In beta back in 2004 paladin had holy strike and crusader stike, which got replaced with the seal system right before lunch
For all the people who watch this video and decide to roll a paladin. I'd advise against it if you want to play Ret at Max Level. Paladin is easily the most populated spec on the server right now, and they are absurdly broken in PvP. They are what Death Knights are in early wotlk right now. A nerf is almost assuredly coming. Also gearing will take literally ages because of the competition. If you just want to level or try the hardcore challenge then go for it, but if you want to seriously raid and get a rotation spot within a guild, it's going to take awhile. Just my two cents and something to consider.
As a 60 Warr on twow I can say..paladins in pvp are fking busted , they need a nerf 1000% . I hope with the rise of population some pvpers will speak up and hopefully, changes happen
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I like the idea of making all specs viable!
All specs were already viable in OG Classic.
Yes yes. But they ARE very far from each in performance in pve
@@shjelde660 Kind if depends on what you are looking for. Paladins have lower damage numbers but they're better 5man tanks than Warriors by a huge margin and they're better single target raid tanks than Warriors in raid content if your 40man is class stacking. Ret can also fill as a healer or an off tank without changing specs pretty much ever so if flexibility is something you value there ya go.
If you're just interested in RAW damage, though, I agree that they're far behind pretty much every other spec in the game
I very much agree with you. And yes, it's a very fine line to tred. Balancing them in pve, might break them in pvp, if not done correctly
@@Jvstm no
Hey, please do continue making this series. You're articulate, and this would help me learn.
Thank you ! I'm working on the shaman one right now 👌
I quit Turtle WOW many years ago, now I'm thinking of coming back because of these changes. Paladin has always been my favorite class, that's why I love playing on WotLK private servers, where they really started shine! (Granted I never played any expansion after that retail or private). With the change to Redoubt, we get to REALLY become more viable as a tank, because as a tank you're supposed to push getting critical hit off the table (Hit, Miss, Dodge, Parry, Block). With the addition of the other changes, the only limiting factor for a Paladin to be an MT in raids (push crit off the table) is the limited amount of equipment to mitigate critical hits. Unless they put 3 different specs for their tier armor, which would be interesting to see.
Great video my friend! Really appreciate the lengths you went to showcase the changes with 200sp. You gotta get your hands on the non-comsumable epic version of the manual crowd pummeler, I think its part of engineering profession but i'm not totally sure. I really want to experiment around with one soon.
FINALLY someone is covering the class changes
I have been playing Ret pally on private servers and actual classic wow for years (even got hand of rag in classic) and i think that for PVP this version of a paladin would be outrageously overpowered.
They are definately stronger, but remember, all other classes also recived some buffs/changes. Only time will tell. Check out Looloo Jenkins video, he's a ret with Might of Menethil: ruclips.net/video/pgr2oO4dlhg/видео.html Very strong but then again so if the elemental shaman Fuzz ruclips.net/video/8H3TpM-3CZY/видео.html. If anything, i'd still say ele is stronger?
it is. ret is notoriously over populated and the most op spec when it comes to pvp rn on turtle
Turtle WoW isnt really centered around PvP and has a small PVP scene relative to the rest the community.
@@tree4104 yes this is definitely also my impression. I very much love pvp so i wish they make a fresh pvp server :)
@@shjelde660 Paladin OP, you talk over & ignore that point really well so i will say it again. Current turtle wow paladin is OP and should be tuned down. It is destroying PvP and PvPers already left because of it.
Sure it can be fixed, current state its broken. And nobody should be hanged for it, its just a game. But you keep glossing over the point Paladin is OP so i say it again, Paladin is OP.
Thank you for this! I'm thinking of starting turtle soon
Great cover ! Another thing to say about seal of crusader. It's BUSTED with Nightfall Axe... Imagine 15% more damage for all of your casters
Yes I've thought abut that aswell. Also think about how busted it could be in pvp, with the silencer blade, 6 sec silence. You can almost keep any caster permanently silenced...
@@shjelde660 oof didnt thought about that scholo Sword. Yikes poor casters.
Basically everything weapon that would be completely broken with this Jotc has also got reduced proc chance-changes. So don't worry about it being too broken. Yes proccing night fall is very nice and strong but it also still means that the pally sacrifices most of his dps. I've been told by a few geared pallies that for damage + proc it's still best to rock SoR
@@vamparaz i see, well then I'm not too worried :D
@@shjelde660 what is the actual name of the silencing weapon?
nice vid! looking forward to see you covering all the other classes. keep up the good work
Great video! Never understood the new Seal of Crusader until i saw your video, thanks!
Just starting on Turtle, thinking about what class should I try this time. Paladin was my since I started playing wow. And still is the class that is most interesting to me. I will give a try to the prot paladin this time.
ret paladin could really use a mana regen buff. Perhaps make all judgement casts restore 5-10% base mana
There's no point in having a mana bar, if you can't deplete it by doing damage or healing
If you want to give an energy bar to the Paladin ? that's a step too far
The class changes in Turtle WoW are already on the brink of being retarded
I was sold with Crusader Strike and Holy Strike. See you all in Turtle wow.
What a fantastic video, even though im a long time wow player I have never really understood the math behind it but you made it so easy to understand. Ive been playing on turtle as a mage for the last 5 months but I have burnt out on my mage and have been looking for a new class to play but I am unable to decide. I eagerly await your next video, if you do a druid one be sure to mention all the item additions like the epic crowd pummeler and the elemental 4 piece set for ferals ;)
Thank you for this comment ! 🙏 I will so my best to include the things you mention 👍
Thanks for the video! Hit 60 on my paladin a few days ago and having a blast, i didnt know all the details of the changes i just looked at the trees and really liked the moving up of holy shield. Aoe grinded from 37-60 very fast. 13/21 and then went down to improved ret aura in the ret tree. Definitely gonna have to play around with different builds, spell damage effecting ret aura is news to me.
i'd say paladin is probably the most interesting class on turtle wow right now!
I would love a video on priests! Been thinking about trying turtle wow out and I'd either go shaman or priest
Started Yesterday on Twow, nice vidéo ! Thanks. See you there
hey great video. I would skip the first part, cause people can and will read the information turtle put on their site. The testing was the most interesting part for me. Also i would like a comparison in tanking with turtle warrior and druid (maybe shaman even). And pls dont forget pvp. I would like a video about shaman. Can they tank dungeons on turtle, is ele viable in pve and what about the mana issues. What about the new shots for hunters? Rogues get a throw but does this matter? They also get a disguise. How does this fare in pvp? What about shadow and their mana issues? ... I think turtle did a great job and it is worth the time and effort to analyse the changes at a deeper level
Noted ✅️
Great overview of the pally changes, my favourite class spec is now viable. Any thoughts on doing other class changes?
My plan is to cover all classes
Damn im hyped for this series!
I've seen you a few times in game but I don't bother you because I don't want to interrupt your enjoyment of the game , great video buddy and very helpful as I'm a pally :) My ingame name is Shagmeister :)
Thx for subscribing! Its fine, feel free to text me ingame :)
You better continue this series
RLY cool video mate! I love Paladin tanks and didn't hear you mention taunt for them and for that i am sad.. Still gonna be hard tanking without taunt :/
I did mention taunt. They have it
i would love to see the changes to shaman!
Stay tuned!
Is there any chance you would make a video covering your UI and/or addons? I would really love to know how to get my TWoW UI to look like yours!
Druid next? Also Thunder Ale Brewing Co is the best guild
shaman is likely next, most voted
Great video, use brighter zones to showcase, sun glare kills. I.e blasted lands over hinterlands
Noted, thx!
Dude that's sick. it SUPER makes me want to dethrone mage as the AOE dungeon solo king.
Liked the content!
As a pve player, could you do some dungeons with all specs to see how viable these specs are in real fights?
I could maybe do that in a livestream👍
Great video!!
I'm currently playing Turtle WoW with a Paladin and it won't let me use swords 🤔
Ret twisting is actually bis support dps class next to twisting shaman
So twisting SotC with SoC?
@@shjelde660 soc phys ret is a bad 1.12 meme and pvp only. for pve here you do better gearing with hybrid t2.5 style gear with SoR.
so yeah, SoR twisting some JotC in there.
@@shjelde660 i dont speak paladin im sorry
@@ugoboom Yes i figured as much, especially with SoR scaling and it working as a second hit to proc weapon enchants/procs etc. twinting JotC to force waheter falls off i recon?
Great video
I would love that they add quest so you can transform corupted ashbringer to normal ashbringer,that would be so good
That might already be in the game, some things might still be undecovered
They are planing a Scarlet Crusade Raid called Scarlet Enclave with difficulty equivalent to Naxx, so maybe that's when they will add that.
There is actually an upcoming quest line for it asaik . Some of it is completed alrdy ( and seems very hard; to kill a summon able raid boss in Stratlive). Think Devs are still working on it
Okay, I want to see a paladin use this version of seal of the crusader with a flurry axe, as well as BRD trinket, scroll of blinding light, and a haste potion...
Combine that with the fiery blaze enchant from badlands and post a video of the resulting barrage of AOE damage please!
(It may even scale with spell power slightly... which would be wild.)
Also use in conjunction with skullflame shield ahahaha...
Oh! Or the BRD trident with full spell power gear (because it's thorns proc does scale with spellpower) and it's effect on mobs/players attacking you!
You could make a macro to equip it with SoC and then swap to a spell power 1h and shield...
For perspective, in classic vanilla if I used this trident with my t2.5 set and got a proc in PVP I could kill high warlord geared/t3 rogues and t2.5 fury warriors without using a single offensive ability... the reflect damage would hit them for about 400-500 damage or more per melee swing against me, so I could literally just stand there and watch them kill themselves as if I had just popped retaliation!
Oh my God I can't wait to try this server out when I get home, I'm definitely going to cause some hot fixes to be put out if these haven't been preemptively patched already lol...
Yes there are many different cool builds, also alot more scales with SP on this server cause it runs on a Nost core, so it will be different than classic. SoR also works as a melle attack, so it can proc trinkets, enchants etc,
if its somehow possible to make a video of the new gear for each spec on turtle wow, as they added i think 4 new costum dungeons.
So some pre bis list for sure changed around, as the server hit few days ago 4,5k players too, it will be helpful for a lot people.
What a great idea !
@@shjelde660 thanks for the video!
May I ask you the best template to level up? Like Prot/holy oriented?
@@preex4 i would say prot,
@@shjelde660 thanks, I mean 20/31? Or something like this
Awsome vid! Ty keep em comming 🤩
You mentioned the rework of seal of the crusader my question is does the attack speed bonus from seal of the crusaders stack with windfury totem. For example if a paladin and a shaman are in a dungeon together will these two abilities be able to stack to get a 4-second weapon speed down under 2 seconds?
Thats a good question, i dont know tbh :\
How much better is this than soc tho? i mean the extra swing procs from soc can also proc weapon procs.
Make a ret guide for turtle wow , plz . there is no guide right now or bis list , we need one asap
What would you like to see in this guide? :) A lvling guide? raid guide? pvp Guide? elaborate please :)
Is it really true that crusader strike does not proc seals? When I use it on rank 1 with judgment of wisdom, I get alot of mana back, way more than just auto attacking?
Amazing , thank you!
This is superb thank you
Great vid m8 plz do druid next
14:15 i am baffled it didn't worked like that before the change ... since you attack faster(more hits) with the seal up .. shouldn't the enchants have already a higher chance to proc? i remember i tested a twink dual dagger rogue procs on crusader with "slice and dice" is literally insane ...
most of these are actually based on proc per minute which means just cause your weapon is faster, they wont proc more. At least on retail thats how it was but I am not sure if they touched anything here.
pls do shaman lock and hunter next
Alright!
hunter's the same but you have tbc steadyshot and do more dps with a more boring rotation
lock is unchanged, but debuff limit raised means they have spriests always buffing them with weaving
shaman is basically unchanged except a single target bloodlust in deep enh, and restos will sometimes take it, while enh is still bad and needs to totem twist to be taken
Hello! How to obtein redemtion for high elf?
Can you sealtwist? That would be sick.
Well, in a way yes, you "twist" SoR and JotC
Please do Druid and Hunter!
do Priest class next!
Would you advice to go to Turtle wow when you are looking for a more vanilla experience? Or will the "Plus" content fuck with your immersion?
Turtle wow is very true to vanilla, you won't feel the "plus" stuff the same way as you would with duskhaven or project epoch. That said, turtle wow is a progressed server. If you want a "fresh" vanilla server u better off waiting for SoM 2
@@shjelde660 Ah no problem. So I downloaded the client and started playing - its quite good. A nice distraction from my usual War Thunder grinding.
I was wondering if you can make some hybrid dps healer like shockadin in after expansions
im pretty sure you can!
Im thinking bout rolling a paladin. I have 2 frienes who never played and wanna get into Classic. Was gonna roll druid so i could tank dps heal if we needed it for dungeouns. But im debating pally or druid. Anyone able to give some insight fkr turtle?
Both got major changes, paladin is more gear dependent than druid. Early game and lvling the druid is stronger
Thx. Druid is the only class i didnt play back in the days. Guess itll be something new. Excited to come back after all these years
Can you give us a video about your cool addons?
bro, can u make a video about changes druids
Is Shaman next?🎉
I wish shamans has the ability to attract all his totems to him once every 30 sec
they have totemic recall
Sounds like there's real abuse/fun potential with SotC. Could find some OP interactions with weapons like Hand of Edward the Odd, Ironfoe, Bonereaver's, Untamed Blade etc.
If the mana returns from blocking are high enough you could perhaps become a self healing dungeon tank with HoEtO.
Strange that they did Holy dirty like that when it sounds like they had a good thing going with longer lasting judgements. From what I can tell, aside from the Holy Shock buff, Holy hasn't received much at all compared to the other two specs. But to be fair, it was OP from the getgo.
From what I've heard, Turtle has perhaps too many palas already? Understandable since it sounds like they've gotten the most love.
I'd be curious to know how priest and warrior have changed. Also, thanks for the excellent video!
Yes ! i havnt tested HoEtO cause its very expensive on this server, but yes i've seen several ppl with Untamed Blade, and with crusader thats a perma 400+ str! plus another 20% from kings and talents.
and u can imagine HoEtO with illumination and divine favor + SS you could absolutely sustain yourself against small packs
I can confirm you that all those high end proc weapons have had reduced proc chances. I bought my hand of Edward just a week after the change and was quite sad to find out it's completely not worth it to spam Jotc for the proc. Still a great aoe farming weapon though. Other big stun items are also definitely reduced in chance ( though untamed blade can keep full uptime)
And yes there is quite an abundance of paladins, which is great but it also means there is less space for them in raids
What auras mod are you using?
Nice, video. Made a Paladin, currently lvl 22, and I was bit confused over the Seal of the Crusader and Seal of Command changes. I got Verigans Fist and thought about Retribution as leveling spec, but i also read about the Protection spec. How would you spec around the 20 to 25 level mark?
Personally i would go Prot early on, you got much more from prot than ret in the early talents
and get a BS to make a shield spike on your shield
@@shjelde660 Thanks! For future videos, maybe i deeper dive into itemization and stat priorities!
@@minementalx Noted, i'll see what i can do with the knowledge i have :D
18:00 how is the song called?
Proc rate of dragon breath chilli goes up with crusader judgement?
Probably not, cause that not on your weapon. Dbc is a consumable
@@shjelde660 would think frost oil would stack tho.
@@jamesbaggett3655 yes
What addon are you using to track buff timers?
Vcb
Does anyone know if a VPN is necessary for North American players to avoid getting copyright infringement slaps to play?
Hmm can you create similar video but about mage in turtle wow?
y
What's the debuff limit on bosses on turtle wow?
its more than 16! but im not sure how much more. or its its even uncapped
Yoo! What ui addon are u using?
and yet some people still hate on us.
Is there a Taunt available now?
yes. and i cover that in the video
Paladin is still the strongest class to the point of breaking PvP. Which to most people doesnt really matter. But they are beyond godlike now.
ruclips.net/video/8H3TpM-3CZY/видео.html literally taking down 3 geared paladins.. solo..
hey, where i can find addons which you use on Turtle-wow?
i'll make a video about it i think. stay tuned :)
@@shjelde660 okay cool)
Would be sweet if pally and shaman wasnt boring auto attack based
You get Stormstrike earlier on twow, :D also Holy strike at lvl 10
rather than what? watching a castbar fill or waiting for resources to fill to use an ability? its not like the combat is that thrilling either way...
@@tree4104 excatly this. its usually comes down to spamming a single ability, whichever class you play
shaman next pls
Druids! Please!
Make a warrior video too
Op
Great changes but oof, are they ever a menace in pvp right now.
Do hunter next!
Unfortunately hunter changes seem very underwhelming (on paper at least). It's basically the same gameplay with a filler shot for X mana per shot.
Yea they are keeping it vanilla. Same with all class changes,, its not major once
Maaaan frost oil on wpn with seal of crusader...
Yep i thought about that aswell, fixes the only weakness that paladin has, in that they cant slow any target, now they have a 70% slow on a 8 sec cd!
Do you have an addon list?
Yes.. and its very long xD
@@shjelde660 haha im mainly interested in your actionbars and your floating combat text
@@Aiden-ri4ky that would be "miks scrolling combat text" and "dominos"
@@shjelde660 thanks man
What about mana though? Ret goes oom in like a minute
No longer, since SoW + SoR = Procs
10:06 "where you fight against Germans" 😂😂😂
i did say Shamans* didnt i ? 😂 But also Germans ofc!
which ui are u using?
My own :)
Do druid please
Oh your addons look awesome, can you share them to me😙
interesting idea but outside of paladin these videos are gonna be real short
well, they'll probably be shorter, but i had to cut away 20 mins more from the paladin video, (leaving that for another video, mostly stuff about gear, scaling, new rotations and pvp) so the other videos wont be that much shorter :b but i'll try my best
Seems to me that they buffed paladins way too much!
They've always been a popular class, and amongst the best at surviving. But now they can dps, aoe farm, great sustain, healing and survivability. And a free mount on top of that!
Are all other classes also supposed to be able to heal and have as great survivabilty? Are warriors now obsolete?
Maybe :\ i'm not 60 and fully geared, so i cant really compare yet. BUT i know that turtle wow takes great care as to what and how the implement stuff. i think they would try to balance things somewhat in pvp. and not just pve.
@@shjelde660 Not necessarily at lvl 60.
How about comparing paladin to a warrior at lvl 30 or 40, say when it comes to questing or pvp - who'd come on top?
How about paladin vs a rogue?
How's the balance there?
@@RatimirRS it that case, i can easily speak on that cause i've done it all. Paladin is only slightly stronger in pvp, mainly cause of holy strike. you dont really use crusader strike in pvp. Maybe in duels, but not in bgs. As prot they are much better for grinding, and tanking in dungeons. On par, if not a bit better than warriors.
Paladin is still very weak against casters
@@RatimirRS against rogue and warrior, not much has changed.
If gear matched, paladin still shits on those ez.
@@shjelde660 Then I wonder if that much buffing was needed 🙂
crusader strike is way too spammy and feels wrong. Other than that I like their ideas
its supposed to be like a warriors sunder armor. It was what the paladin had in vanilla beta :) In beta back in 2004 paladin had holy strike and crusader stike, which got replaced with the seal system right before lunch
can you be a pally on the horde side?
noppe
druid next pLease🙏🙏🙏
Omg paladins rock in twow
I have tried it, did not like it, they did something weird
Warrior detected
What did they do weird?
I really don't like the new placement of those talents.
how so?
Hej Niklas
Hej Esther, håber dig og Samuel har det godt :)
For all the people who watch this video and decide to roll a paladin. I'd advise against it if you want to play Ret at Max Level. Paladin is easily the most populated spec on the server right now, and they are absurdly broken in PvP. They are what Death Knights are in early wotlk right now. A nerf is almost assuredly coming. Also gearing will take literally ages because of the competition. If you just want to level or try the hardcore challenge then go for it, but if you want to seriously raid and get a rotation spot within a guild, it's going to take awhile.
Just my two cents and something to consider.
Well said.
they're broken in pvp, that's what's changed, get ready to be dumpstered by the gm's accounts cause their ego is little to none.
As a 60 Warr on twow I can say..paladins in pvp are fking busted , they need a nerf 1000% . I hope with the rise of population some pvpers will speak up and hopefully, changes happen
Wtf is Turtle WoW?
nobody knows, but everyone talks about it
Who would think that a private server would make a better wow then blizzard?!?!!!!!?!
Yes. Who would! 🤣