What if Hanami Fought Instead of Dagon?
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During the Shibuya Incident of Jujutsu Kaisen Season 2, both Hanami and Dagon make big moves against people like Satoru Gojo or Nanami, Naobito and Maki Zenin. We all know that hanami dies and so does Dagon after having a big 4 v 1 brawl. But what if Hanami didn't join the fight against Gojo and instead switched places with Dagon? Let's find out.
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A “What If” JJK story would be amazing…an arc asking “what happens if Mahito lived” would be wild considering his growth rate 📈
Nah, worst come to worst, gojo would have killed him after getting out of prison realm. Mahito has a lot of potencial and all, but he would have just called the atention of the strongest sourcerer and at that point it would have been over. Besides kenjaku needed to absorb mahito to use his ability, so he probably would have hunted him down at the end of shibuya. Maybe the fight would have lasted longer, but lastly mahito would have still died. I know people is gonna say mahito's potencial is unmesurable, and I agree, I just dont think there is a timeline where he doesnt die before reaching the pick of that potencial. No allies, both sides kinda in favor of killing him and both sides having a lot of people able to destroy mahito and even if he reaches the culling games, wich would only happen if kenjaku used his ability, if he encountered kashimo, ryu, uro, angel or higuruma, he mostlikely would have died
Agreed, just more ''Anime Whatifs'' would be awesome :)
Forgot about the good guys he needs to escape from Kenjaku. Kenjaku would hunt him down for his plans.
What if toji killed gojo
@@blckotaku5250wouldn’t someone or something as strong be born
Both Hanami and Dagon just wanted to protect the planet earth. Keeping it green and blue. Both were brutally taken out by monsters.
I think Hanami could teleport or fly away from Toji saving her life .I think hanami potential is very underrated she probably can produce chemicals and spikes with maybe explosives
@@hyjjjkyikk3158 yeah,as far as we assumed Hanami should be a lighter version of Hashirama senju
Don’t pay attention too the rubbish a curse spits out
yup that's why dagon was eating and spitting out humans from it's mouth!
Bros a cursed spirit 💀
I think it should be noted that hanami's buds would be known to the team since todo most likely spread info of that technique. Also maki being there gives the whole team a bit of a strategy boost since she's already fought them once. The team still lacks any power to actually beat hanami though outside some kind of combo involving naobito freezing them and then having Maki with playful cloud strike and just spamming that
THE FACT THAT NO ONE WAS TOLD KENJAKU HAD A OPEN DE AND IT SEEMS THAT NO ONE TOLD GOJO THAT SUKUNA HAD A OPEN DE.
@@fbafoundationalbuck-broken6011 chill gojo lives
@@fbafoundationalbuck-broken6011They didnt know, They didnt saw him opening a domain, Inumaki probably was assumed to be hit by unknown big range attack.
@@Pqihtyieojn12about that...
@@fbafoundationalbuck-broken6011Nobody knew...
Don't forget that Hanami had a Doman Expansion that we never got to see.
And the team would've known too, unlike with Dagon, so Naobito and Nanami would've stopped it from using that yet again
@@dusk6159It’s not that easy to stop one from using a domain expansion
@@djw3512 Fr, we literally see them crush Dagon's fingers cuz they want to stop the domain. Hanami is too tough to pull that off on.
Hanami cant open her Domain unless it's fully charged. She's at an incredible disadvantage fighting in the city.
@graveltheblock5578 she was charged before entering shibuya pretty sure and she can I think.
Her domain has nothing to do with her flower. It's just the beam which is her strongest attack
Maki has knowledge on hanami abilities which would greatly helps on the first fight
Yeah Naobito would straight up blaze and have everything to annihilate Hanami
I don't think it a wash, but Hanami likely is going to be at a great disadvantage especially since even if I agree they have the durability they have a glaring weak point. They are definently going to need domain expansion and Hanami underground so unless they find outgrown roots somewhere they are likely weaker. I love Hanami, but they are at a disadvantage here for the initial fight especially with Nabito
"hanami is gonna see toji and then hanami is going to see god" no operator. Best quote of the Year
I think the difference between Dagon and hanami is that nanami states that it’s like he has unlimited hp. I see that different than hanami’s high durability where he won’t take damage.
I think relative to the sorcerers dagons hp was so high that what he was losing didn’t really matter.
I think that nanami would be able to harm hanami because yuji is shibuya was compared to him in attacking power.
Projection and ratio technique would be to much for hanami I think.
If he uses his domain than the situation is similar to how it went with dagon
No it would be better
@@ahmedthelssj9428 Better for the sorcerors or Hanami?
Because I will die on the hill that Hanami is a cut above Dagon lol.
Hanami was the gentle giant meets the reliable older sister, that's why Dagon lost it when she died.
I think this would be an interesting narrative fight due to the fact that Maki and Megumi would be rematching against Hanami. We would see the growth all of these characters have gone through both on the sorcerer and curse side and seeing them outwit each other would be very cool.
(edit): Also I don't know if Hanami can even cast their domain due to the environment, they are in a city which wouldn't give Hanami access to the extended plant life needed to convert energy for a domain expansion.
I always assumed since Shibuya was a trap, she absorbed nature energy beforehand.
dw, she doesn't need to absorb energy for her domain, that's for her flower offering (she can just use her own cursed energy pool to pop domain)
I actually think Hanami would have more trouble than Dagon considering he was pressured to use Domain by Goodwill Yuji & Todo. A more experienced pair of Grade 1 sorcerers + Maki with Playful Cloud could probably exorcise it high diff.
Goodwill Yuji and Nanami scale pretty closely and Naobito with his technique active has to hit harder than Todo. Hanami was being steadily damaged by Yuji & Todos punches so I think Ratio in Overtime & Projection Sorcerery would be effective.
Also by Shibuya, they should’ve received intel about the disaster curses, since Gojo knew about Hanami’s eyes being a weak spot.
They would definitely need some Black Flashes from Nanami to pull it off but it’s not impossible.
Yeah, I was gonna said that. They would absolutly know about the curse energy bugs, especially cause maki was there when it hitted megumi. Theres no way she wouldnt have warned the others, in the weird scenario megumi or todo havent already share this information, which is unlikely cause we have seen that the sorcerers share information HARD. Nobara knowing about mahito, gojo knowing about mahito and Hanami, etc
Granted to keep in mind she has more experience as goodwill she acted more like the Earth. Also goodwill Yuji needed a WR number of black flashes, so Nanami is gonna be on demon time lol.
The question is how fast can they adapt to the roots. Because they can act in a similair way to dagon's domain, overwhelming nanami since he can't ratio them all.
Naobito is the issue, especially with a simple domain like New Shadow Style. Without that, he might be done too
@@fernandoreimpell2818What’s goodwill
@@gabbagooba298The arc where Hanami first appears.
yea but they would have the same issue as they had with Dagon if Hanami decides to pull a Domain Expansion
Great video, reminded me of Tojis contract information if its a fight I win, if its an assassination I win
Terms and Conditions apply
Terms and Conditions: No honoured ones
Honestly, the most Hanami to Toji is if all goes well, use the flowers then dip. *Best case scenario*
Great video. Keep doing this Hypothetical series, they're actually really interesting 🔥
it would have been nice if you had brought up how it would have been if hanami somehow had endured the fight with Toji until Jogo arrived to join the fight
then sukuna would have never popped out, no 15 fingers, no mahoraga and probably mahito getting jumped and MAAAAAAYBE nobara still alive
@@tigretam9106 Yeah i agree that Toji would most likely beat them both, but i still think it would be am interesting possibility to see brought up
If Jogo arrived to assist Hanami, I think Megumi would be forced to pop Mahoraga. Like there’s no way you can convince me he wouldn’t, after being exhausted from his DE and then immediately having to fight a 2nd special grade. In this case, Mahoraga would probably just kill everyone and run rampant in Shibuya.
@@AskwhoQ Tbh, Toji would definetly beat Hanami. But this is way too fun of an idea to pass up, so if she flees in the roots and flower field, and since she is a nature spirit who can't be sensed. Toji attacks Megumi, Jogo comes up, sees that Hanami got pieced up by Toji and would go after him as well. At which point Hanami comes back cuz plot idk.
That would make it a fun 3 v 1 against Toji. Like, Toji is a cut above them all, but Megumi is smarter, Hanami is a tricky tank, and Jogo can arguably keep up.
Toji sadly washes, but I'd pay to see that fight.
coated idea wtf
You always got the fire what if battles 🔥
Isn't the reason why gojo went for hanami first was because he seen him for the third time. If Dagon was there instead of hanami, would gojo go for jogo first since he would be the one out of the group he's seen the most. So if Gogo goes for jogo first, than A) Everyone in the group is gonna die since Jogo is gonna be the hard carry, but he will die first, causing a snowball effect for the other two. Or B) Jogo is gonna hard evade Gojo until Mahito arrives while the other two basically do nothing. Either way, I think these two possibilities will make a lot of changes to the story.
Gojo just said that
But he went for hanami because it was the one to make a mistake
This was an awesome video lmao made my shit day better. Can we possibly get a full character analysis or how strong is Choso? Feel like he'd be an interesting quick one to talk about tbh.
Omg no operator I’m your biggest fan uwu 😂❤ keep the amazing content coming and don’t stress it’s all great when it’s from you bro 😎
This is fire bro
Yo u and broken Ronin should do a what if series, your first 1 could be what if toji went on to find the next strongest fighter at the time instead of grabbing megumi and how the story would change, I think toji would go after jogo, since he was the next strongest somewhat around that area. Keep up the good work
Awesome video bro
Hanami does have a weak point that counters it’s high durability, I think maki knows that it’s branches are its weak point.
Hanami was damaged by good will yuji who should scale a bit below the version that’s AP=nanamis.
Without a domain hanami wouldnt be able to easily take out the 3 sorcerers before megumi helps.
True about the domain, but she could probably pull it off since her CT is incredibly busted. Sure Maki and they all have information, but you also need insane strength to capitalise on the branches. They go deep. Like pull them out for several seconds deep, and I don't think Naobito can do that. Definetly good damage tho.
Then the issue comes with Hanami using the roots akin to Dagon's domain, as an endless swarm with the cursed buds. Naobito can't counter them since it's not a domain but then again it's also not instant. Maki would be one shot by the buds since she can't dodge forver and she has no control over her CE.
Once it's Naobito and Nanami, her only chance of winning is killing Nanami. Her best chance is the flower field or simply the roots or traps like she used on Todo.
Naobito on his own? He gets washed, because she knows domain amplification. Which just takes away his speed, strength and basically entire kit.
any chance you could do a video on what if yuki and yuta swapped places? yuta/choso vs kenjaku and yuki in sendai colony
[This is before watching the video, all of these comments are made PRIOR!]
Yuji and Todo were capable of damaging Hanami on their own with pure strength and overwhelming it with a confusing CT. Nanami is comparable to Yuji in terms of strength [or is believed to be such by Takuma], and factoring that this is a Yuji Post-Black Flash being compared to Nanami's strength [with Nanami both having access to Ratio Technique + Binding Vow reveal + Overtime] that is a Nanami way above his regular striking strength and potential as a Sorcerer.
Next, Hanami needs to somehow overcome Naobito's Projection Sorcery, with both him freezing Hanami and out-speeding him. This now leaves little-wiggle room, if Hanami is still the same level as curse that it was when fighting Yuji and Todo. Naobito's individual strikes were also enough to HARM Dagon, and so he should be capable of dealing significant enough damage to Hanami.
Next, Maki. Maki is a bit of an oddball here, as in both fights she was disregarded without the usage of Playful Cloud and only became a significant game-changer following her being equipped. So, if you have Maki begin the match with Playful Cloud, there is basically only two routes for this battle to go.
One - The three immediately HARRASS AND EXORCISE HANAMI. Those three are more than a match for Dagon, and would have knowledge of Hanami's kit [with information shared across sorcerers] with the exception of Domain Expansion, and with the awareness that Hanami CAN use Domain Expansion, it is more than likely they'll attempt to exorcise it with more effort than they would've, trying to make sure it gets dealt with before it gets the chance to even pull out a domain.
Two - Hanami pops a Domain Expansion and starts popping each sorcerer like how Dagon did the trio until Megumi comes on in and accidentally leaves the door open for his, literal, dead-beat of a father to walk on in and clean up the trash before engaging in the family reunion and beating up his son.
Honestly a very good dissection of how the battle would go but I think you did miss a few details such as the flower bed which would stop their movements completely even if for only a moment it would allow him to take control of the battle especially if he pops his domain and then he has the option to perform the same trick and then dip against toji now I don't know how recent this info is but we do have a vague idea of hanamis domain due to an interview with gege and it's a flowery pasture with a debuff I believe he said and with the ce beam he was going to use against yuji and Todo as the sure hit so if he pops his domain he most likely kills someone but besides that again I think you're dissection of the fight was very good and went pretty in deft on the scaling
Peak editing
Hanami might do better.
That flower field would definitely help getting away from Toji better than anything Dagon had
I think taht the worst switch would be with jogo, he just needs to touch them to burn them alive and he can create flame througher out of nowhere. Or maybe he would just die to not ruin his lose streak
if it was Jogo instead all of them just die instantly it not even close megumi and Toji don't even show up since they nothing to show up to but ash
@@alkhemia23Did you forget that Jogo is slower than Naobito? "Everybody gets easily killed"?
@@dusk6159 Jogo has a domain and could predict Naobitos movements. 1 hit from him and he can kill anyone there. We dont even know if Naobito can hurt him enough to stop him from using his domain. While Jogo doesnt have as much durability as his AP, it doesnt mean that he has no durability. Getting hit by 4 black flashes from Yuji along with Todos hits with playful cloud is no joke, him not surviving doesnt mean as much. Lets not even talk about range
If Hanami lasts as long as you assume she would against Toji, wouldn't Jogo show up in the midfle of their fight?Considering how it's already a debate wether Jogo or Toji would win if they fought 1v1, adding Hanami to Jogo would probably mean a very bad time for Toji.
Nanami n Naobito can handle Hanami especially in an urban area since her domain expansion won't work unless she's surrounded by plant life
@@irrelevanttroll3312 Her Domain does work outside plantlife. The surounding plant life was used to power the laser that she was charging. She was trying to use the sure hit aspect of her Domain to make her laser be guaranteed to hit.
And I have changed my opinion. Jogo vs Toji isn't unclear on who'd win. Jogo would win. So Nanami and Naobito being able to occupie Hanami's time isn't going to change the outcome.
@@BaumCultist jogo won't win bruh
@@irrelevanttroll3312 Jogo is a little slower than a healthy Naobito, someone who is faster than Yuki and Naoya. Naoya was faster than Maki, someone who is exactly as fast as Toji. And no, Maki isn't faster than Curse Naoya, she was only able to dodge him because Curse Naoya only moved in a straight line, and because she gained a semi-precog. This means that Jogo is actually faster than her. Her being able to keep up with a 15F Meguna can be explained by Meguna holding back, as he tends to do so with things that interest him(and we know that Maki interests him), and by Sukuna not holding back as much with Jogo, as Jogo had that Binding Vow where he only needed to hit Sukuna once to win, something that Sukuna would likely not risk.
Now with it established that Jogo is faster than Toji, let's talk about his firepower. Him not killing Nanami or Maki in Shibuya doesn't mean that he couldn't do so, as we saw from the Gojo fight in the forest that he can create much bigger attacks, and we even saw in Shibuya that he can blow a whole skyscraper apart. He also possesses the Ember Insects, which explode when stabbing something. These can act as Homing Attacks that Toji would need to avoid. He can also spawn those Volcano-Pimples, which he could do from unsuspecting angles and places as we saw in his very short fight with Naobito. His most powerfull attack is however Maximum Meteor, which is incorrectly assumed to be slow, as Panda and Kusakabe managed to seemingly avoid it. This is however not true, as we see that Panda transformed into his Gorilla form and mentioned that he lost a core. Kusakaba also looks injured, with him likely surviving via Simple Domain. With Kusakabe being stated to be able to fight with Special Grades, it's likely that Maximum Meteor would also be able to catch characters of that caliber. Maximum Meteor could therefore be a finishing move incase Jogo somehow gets into any trouble.
Jogo would likely understimate Toji at first, as Toji would appear to posses no CE. But he would quickly change that opinion as Toji would be able to react to his attacks and be able to dodge them, likely through his semi-precog. Jogo would likely then launch barrages of attacks at Toji while keeping his distance, Volcano-Pimples and swarms of Ember Insects trying to cut of Toji's way of escaping and trying to overwhelm his precog. Imagine a less extreme version of Sukuna vs Jogo from the anime, but replace Sukuna with Toji and have him struggle to keep up. With Toji being slower than Jogo and with Jogo keeping his distance, the only way that Toji would be able to hit Jogo would be to attach the ISOH to the Chain of a Thousend Miles, but the chain can simply be destroyed, and Toji wouldn't be able to do that as he would be focused on not being overwhelmed. This would lead to Toji being wittled down and losing.
Let’s goooo
I don’t think Dagon would die. Not saying he magically changes the fight but I don’t see him not listening to Jogo. I see him being in a better position of taking hits by Gojo. But it’s not like he harms him. The imprisonment goes by easier but it’s not like he magically ensure the victory
Hanamis getting folded. Nanami can deal lasting damage and Naobito will stop hanami from ever opening a domain. Also Dagon should be way more durable since overtime nanami’s ratio couldn’t do anything. That same nanami should be equal to shibuya Yuji who could hurt hanami in goodwill. And they should have full intel on hanamis abilities by now since they’ve showcased them all. Todo knew about Mahitos domain weakness with Yuji/Sukuna after all.
Something pple forget is that yuji was on a 4-5 black flash streak of powerups
@@blu3d3vil97 True, but Nanami was compared to shibuya Yuji so it doesn’t really matter.
@mrprotoman154 it does
one black flash puts you at 120%
Now imagine 4 or 5
Plus todo and playful cloud AND the damage given by black flash
Besides, how is Ino gonna know the exact measurements of yuji's and namami's attack power
Sure, to him both hit like a truck
But its the same case as megumi vs 3F sukuna and toji
He literally can't see them move so he calls them equal in speed
But no certain fact
@@blu3d3vil97 So what? The amp from black flash doesn’t go away and Yuji and Todo were hurting Hanami with their base punches so Nanami can too, with ratio at least. That’s a terrible comparison, neither Yuji or Nanami are so far above Ino that he shouldn’t be able to accurately gauge their strength. Both Ino and Yuji were teetering on grade 1 status. We have nothing contradicting Ino’s statement either. And he was comparing Yuji to Nanami not the other way around. He said Yuji might be as strong as Nanami, implying they’re relative or Nanami is slightly stronger. Besides is it really hard to believe a semi grade 1, whose specialty is their striking power, (Yuji) is relative to an actual grade 1 (Nanami) whose cursed technique also literally specializes in striking power?
Hanami is used as a benchmark for durability, she's probably more durable than dagon.
Author statement is that hanami and Jogo are roughly equal, but Jogo would win 'only due to elemental matchup'
Then Jogo is stated to be on a different level from dagon as soon as he shows up.
So just from that Hanami is considerably above Dagon, she also has insane hax and crowd control, like speed's not a problem when you can just ram the entire room with plants, can't miss if you hit everywhere at once.
i think nanami might be able to handle the flowers, he doesnt have much bloodlust and is proffessional, even if he doesnt want to fight after the flowers he'll still do it
Hanami is equal to jogo in term of strength jogo only wins because of elemental advantage (stated by the author), hanami is a lot more durable considering he tanked all these black flash + todo playfoul cloud combo, her domain was revealed in a fan book, the sure-hit would be the solar beam and the flower field (in the domain) would take away your will to fight so unless you directly activate simple domain you’re done
absolutely no way does jogo have the same amount of AP as hanami
YEEEES THE HANAMI HYPE!!
Good Video
Bro you really underrate dagon so much . Bruuh dagon without his domain was giving naobito, nanami and maki hard time :
A special grade 1 sorcer + 1st grade sorcer + 2nd grade sorcer (by miwa confirmation about maki) while hanami was getting bullied by a 2 1st grade sorcers (todo and yuji) . I think that the only dangerous attack from hanami is the one that sucks CE but as we seen an unexperienced version of itadori was able to dodge all of them so it's not a big deal (todo and itadori also dodged easily that flower attack that catched gojo so it's also not a big deal ) . Hanami can't grow up forests cause of the small place where they were fighting so he can't.
I do think that hanami doesn't even survive against the trio and he's not that durable since attacks from a 1sr grade sorcer made him bleed while dagon received nanami's attacks like they are nothing so dagon is way more durable than hanami. Then the trio will be super damaged and exhausted so that will lead to jogo coming and finding toji and that will change all the events completely (10 fingers of sukuna are thrown next to jogo's dead body ) and that won't help itadori and sukuna
hanami probably would have gotten the job actually done and killed them before toji came.
Naobitos projection sorcery would be very limited due to hanamis constructions as they would restrict naobitos movement making him more likely to not be able to maintain speed and even slip up on the predetermined movements.
Additionally, Hanami would likely just tank Naobitos hits and could use the flower field to make him stop mid movement and freeze.
After naobito goes down, nanami and maki are dead meat. Megumi probably arrives on the scene as they die and then gets folded by hanami.
Jogo and Hanami likely meet up and then toji kills them together fr.
Agreed, except for Toji killing them both. In this scenario, he doesn't have Playful Cloud
The only problem is those construction would form way too slowly or Noabito could break through them.
Also why is Hanami tanking Noabito? Noabito’s hands are way above Yuji. Low-key might be better than the black flash.
@@mattb.7079 megumi would prolly pull out atleast a sword before hanami kills him, all toji needs tbh
@@explosivegrape hamami formed woods the size of a sky scraper in a second. I dont think naobito is doing shit to them.
Naobitos best scaling is above nanami, hanami has tanked hits on that level before
@@stack4229 doesn’t Toji only come because of megumi
Don't take my boy Dagon's only fight he was already criminally underused
I think it would go very much the same to how it did though i do think there is a possibility that hanami could escape unlike dagon because the flower field and then psuedo teleportation
I’m thinking that Hana is domain expansion would be like garden of Eden and the forbidden fruit would basically be a gojo domain expansion but like one shot
great video, for some reason (don't know if it's just for me) the link to BrokenRonin's channel isn't working. just wanted to let you know.
I honestly dissagree
1.hanamis durability was broken through by yuuji even with out the black flash and it was stated that shibuya yuuji is equal to nanamis in terms of ap so he would ve able to hurt nanami
But honestly this fight and dagon vs trio fights completly depend on will naobito wreck them or not. Brcause dagon literaly said that he couldnt do anything against his speed without domain expansion and even then he only activated by that weird stomach drawing thingy which naobito didnt expect.
In an actual fight how i think it would go is either naobito punches him a couple of times and hanami starts cosplaying hashirama or naobito catches him in a hidden lotus and beats his ass until either megumi comes and they rip hanami up with playfull cloud or worse until toji come and negs hanami even easier
People underestimate naobito alot in my oppinon he is the strongest grade1 sorcerer in the series(the gambling guy is technically grade 1 but cmon we all know he is special grade
" Hanami's gonna see Toji and then Hanami's gonna see god. "
- Goated Ronin
Hanami's growthrate is somewhat comparable to Mahito's, if Hanami acted mor like a Cursed Spirit
Funny enough I see alot of things change.
1.Dagon doesn't let down his domain amp. The plan om their side goes mooth af and Kenjaku shows up to seal the deal. No loses.
2. Again unlike Dagon, Hanami actually uses his surprise attack on the three and at least takes out Maki. As you've said Hanami will do alot better than Dagon against just the remaining two possibly taking them out, but definitley doing heavy damage. Megumi shows up and again doesn't really change much and Hanami still has the advantage. Toji showing up is where we disagree. Hanami is gonna get molly woped a little before quickly deciding I'm out. And if an unfinished 10 shadows allowed Megumi to constantly evade him then Hanami the master of 'nah f dis' is definitley making it out. Leaving Toji with Megumi and their interaction goes as we saw. No loses.
This changes things drastically cause we might even see Sukuna vs Jogo, Dagon and Hanami instead of what we got or they can split up and we get Mahito and another curse vs Yuji and Todo.
Fire vid bro
What makes Hanami more durable than Dagon?
Hanami didn't seemed harmed at all by being hit with a surprise playful cloud hit, while playful cloud ripped a piece of dagon arm inside the domain expansion that amps your stats (to 120% if we take the narration from megumi fight with reggie)
The fact it tanks all the hits received except from gojo
The character cast says that its durable
Gege calls hanami specially durable constitution
Hanami isn’t more durable. Almost everything points to the opposite tbh
i dont think he would summon Mahoraga due to his friends still being in dagner, it would surely kill his allies
Gojo prioritized Hanami first for a reason
Nah gojo killed hanami just cus he felt so😂😂
@@kurosekai1954 hanami was the only disaster curse to make him lower his guard with his flowers
It was because it was the third time he saw him. Gojo literally said that right before he obliterated Hanami.
It’s UNACCEPTABLE for a curse to survive one encounter with him yet Hanami has twice. It’s a OFFENSE to Gojo sensibilities.
Cuz hanami made mistakes
what music is this here? 7:00
bro i thoought the vid was about hanami amd dahon switching in the kyoto vs yuji's school arc
I'm preaty sure Toji washes pretty much the entire cast other than the special grade sorcerers.
All hail the puppet of carnage tony
I’m thought I watch all your video but I guess I missed one
There is a possibility that todo explained the techniques to gojo or other higher ups, because knowledge is a powerful tool in jjk fights so I feel like the curse eating buds could be invalid as they know how to deal with them. Still high diff
A recently born Dagon, let's be real, absolutely bodied Nanami, Naobito and Maki, Naobito was boxing him for a while but that was also not much damage.
Hanami is more durable than Dagon, so what Ronin said will happen, the Grade 1s will get bodied, Maki without playgul cloud is a non factor.
Toji will show up, let's say he gets playful cloud and he bodies Hanami, if Jogi shows up before, maybe they pull through but knowing Tiji's speed I doubt ut
Hanami isn't more durable than Dagon. Dagon was tanking Nanami's Ratio hits. Hanami was getting damaged by Goodwill Yuji's punches. Yuji's punches in Shibuya were scaled to Nanami's ratio hits by Takuma. So we know that Dagon is way more resistant
@@miguelmiramon1505Itadori's normal blows are compared to Nanami ratio and the only blows that damaged Hanami were the black flashes, which is not anything.
@@David-th6hj Not at all. Hanami was clearly in pain with normal hits. It was not as strong as the black flashes, but both Todo and Yuji's attacks were damaging Hanami, and Todo is weaker than Yuji, so him making damaging Hanami clearly shows Yuji can hurt Hanami. It is a completely different topic that Hanami was able to regenerate faster than the damage they were doing.
I love Tony and his son Mercury
We need a Hanami and Jogo gauntlet
Hanami has more durability but less hp than dagon for the original fight i do believe that hanami wouldnt nearly as washed as dagon. As seen in the class games hanami was actually growing stronger due to finally releasing himself as a curse. I can see hanami getting stronger with tanking strikes from naobito all while slamming down on the only person who could hurt him (nanami with playful cloud)
what if gojo rushed down jogo instead of dagon cos he was chasing him so that is a possibility if dagon dosnt let down his domain amp
I feel like Hanami might last long enough for Jogo to show up. If Hanami and Jogo both fought toji one way or another the series would change a lot.
1. Jogo and Hanami somehow win and then wipe out everyone else.
2. Jogo and Hanami lose and Jogo never has a chance to feed the Sukuna fingers to Yuji.
3. Megumin Summons Maho just as Toji shows up and it becomes Toji vs Hanami, and Jogo vs Maho vs everyone else and everything devolves into chaos.
Disaster curses vs Royal Guard from HxH??
What if Disaster Family fought Yuta or Yuki?
I could have sworn ronin scaled Dagon to hanami in terms of durability in a recent vid ,so I’m a little confused how his opinion completely warped to the conclusion that hanami would just tank and take possibly less damage than Dagon 🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️,the video might have been old tho I’m not sure.
Hanami can't tank Nanami's hit ratio. It's said that Shibuya Yuji's hits are compared to Nanami's hits. Dagon could tank Nanami's hits, while Hanami was getting damaged by Goodwill Yuji's hits without the need of a black flash. By that we know Hanami is less resistant
@@miguelmiramon1505 yeah I know this for a fact but it seems like for the sake of the video they gave hanami more credit then she deserves,im not a power scaler so Im not really to bothered by the opinions regardless
If Hanami can eat four black flashes from Yuji they won't be able to deal much damage.
Dargon is way stronger than Hanami. Naobito would split Hanami’s head open.
Hanamis domain is probably a closed domain
you guys sound so similar legit thought that this channel and ronin are run by the same dude 🤣
Dagon is way more resistant than Hanami. Hanami was getting damaged by Goodwill Yuji, and Yuji's punches by that point are around Nanami's ratio hits strong. This because when Ino sees Yuji in action he says so, so there's no way Nanami can't damage Hanami. Hanami dies way quicker
Hanami did tanked 4 Black Flashes and Todo's attacks with Playful Cloud though
Dagon in good will XD
Basically nithing changes
If hanami irritate megumi his dead megumi going to summon mahoraga
“What if” Jogo found Yuji first instead of Choso
Toji washes most of the jjk cast, but was wondering what would happen with the rest.
Meguni summons mahoraga
this comment is before watching the video.
i remember dagon being stronger then hanami, so if they switched ngl i think the jujutsu society wins.
my reasons for this is that todo and yuji could beat the fuck out of hanami, so maki and nanami with the old guy easily overpower hanami until hanami's domain which wouldnt matter as much because megumi would be there by that time.
Gojo would have to fight jogo, choso, and dagon instead of hanami which would make it a tad bid harder for him, which i think would mean that since it is more difficult to him he wouldnt have as much weighing on his mind about the humans dying. so maybe gojo would notice the prison realm and back up away from it or something because him killing hanami made him realize that he COULD kill the rest of them somewhat fast so he started to worry about the human deaths more, when if dagon was still there he would realize that he has his hands fuller with the cursed spirits
People underrate hanami.
id just like to bring up the fact that hanami is likely without DE in shibuya as it seems they need to use life energy from plants (we are underground in a subway) to cast enough cursed energy to construct it
No, the plant energy was for the energy beam
And hanami decided to use domain because todo could swap places and make it hit itself
didnt gege say that the only reason jogo is stronger than hanami is cause he has a favourable fire vs wood mathchup and without it hanami is much more durable
Yah but when u read the story u see that gege made jogo much stronger
Gege's comment was basically at the beginning of the series
Then we see jogo has much higher speed, attack power, better skill, experience and better techniques because they are long range and fast
bro imagine toji v mahoraga
Toji gets clapped
They would've met each others fate: dying to Gojo _and_ reanimated Tojo the Ojo duo
I think Hanami was actually above a power level compared to Jogo, but due to their lack of bloodlust or combat experience, they got gotted very quickly by Gogo.
I think Gojo would have a slightly trickier fight against Dagon and Hanami would have a field day against the four others, then would proceed to almost take out Toji.
Megumi would just summon mahoraga then gg
tony solos
They’ll probably do pretty good against hanami considering all the info they had on them and the fact that both megumi and maki fought them already. That I don’t think hanami hits quite as hard as dagon IMO. They are definitely at least lasting till toji shows up to deal with them. All u need to say is that group of naobito, maki, nanami, and megumi can survive against hanami about as long as did did Dagon which I think is a most likely.
Naobito in his old age even without using projection sorcery which Amps your speed dramatically. Naoya was blitzing heavenly restriction maki over and over again and threw her around until she predicted his movements , imagine prime Naobito using projection at top speed
tbh i dont see them beating hanami either,
there is no way they can pierce his body, just like how 5 black flash, todo aura and playful cloud would have kill jogo, but hanami
unless nanami was able to do 7:3 with black flash, i doubt they have anything
Long story short nothing changes, nanami, naobito and maki gets destroyed while toji comes in and cooks hanami
Yuji at the beginning of Shibuya (so basically Goodwill Yuji) is said to have equal striking power to Nanami, and I’m assuming that’s 80% Nanami, no overtime. Even if we’re assuming Ino is biased in Nanami’s favor, then at most let’s assume it’s closer to Overtime Nanami (120%). In either case, Nanami should still be able to steadily damage Hanami like Yuji can.
In addition, Naobito should also be hitting at that level with Projection Sorcery.
I think Nanami’s “endless HP” comment is referring to Dagon’s cursed energy, that it feels like they’ll never be able to put him down because he’s just got so much energy to reinforce himself and heal with.
Nanami is used to cutting through curses like butter with his technique (he could even take Mahito’s arm with it), so facing someone who he needs to use the technique to be able to hurt at all has to be a new sensation for him.
If i was onr of the ge dissater curses, id be hanami. The way we rnjot fighting is the same. Its something that you appreciate over time as you get into your battles. Though shes the weakest, still very well written even her death😊
Now imma give my version of this fight
Let me tell you toji would’ve got Absolutely railed
Now before you say it who survived a hollow purple and who died to a weaker hollow purple I rest my case
Hanami would start by killing naobito as he’s the strongest one she would the beat nanami to pulp realizing this is the man who jumped her best friend
Ending it off by cutting maki in half finishing what she started then megumi would show up to the blood shed and get whooped but do to megumi being megumi he opens his to which Hanami being annoyed that she didn’t finish him already she would open her domain has well shooting a massive beam of curse energy at megumi burning half of his body, toji shows up to save his son instead of fight and they would jump Hanami being some issue Hanami remembers todo and yuji doing a black flash she does this to toji knocking him out being extremely angry that megumi is still alive she goes to kill him but megumi being the absolute coward he is runs away. Toji is disappointed by this and kills himself i anger and sadness realizing that gojo didn’t teach him anything. Hanami being angered and confused at the sight of something like this she just goes and convinces jogo to resurrect sukuna but not pick a fight as she wants her best friend to survive.
Hanami is special grade curse for a reason she is insanely powerful she survived a hollow purple while she was weakened she is the goat
Goatmi
As for the Dagon, jogo, and choso. I don’t anyone anyone dies cause Dagon is motivated by determination and hate but since there is nothing to hate the determination is the leading factor also since instead of Hanami the weakest distaster curse is there they have to be quicker jogo surrounds gojo with fire, Dagon shoots a bunch of fish at gojo confusing him and choso actually becomes useful and traps him and kenjaku traps him
There we go that’s how I think that would work
Hanami is getting railed by naobito unless they open there domain right there. They cannot hit him at all.
Long paragraph for being incorrect lol, you were wrong one sentence in talking about toji losing. None of the disaster curses are winning against toji lol
For Yuji Hanami and Mahito are more comfortable enemies than Jogo and Dagon
7:00 bro by that point every sorcerer should already know Hanami's abilities, what are you talking about?
man toji isn't that strong you guys describe him as them strong as duo sukuna and gojo
Toji is THAT strong
Its your problem that u think pple consider toji on gojo and sukuna level
Nobody that isnt stupid thinks that
Toji literally no diffed dagon in his domain
jujutsu kaisen power sistem have a lot plot hole, disaster curses are secondary Vilans, this is reason they dead
Honestly, I think this is mostly wrong, more so that the results end up the same rather than any kind of drastic turn around where hanami is decimating the team. He isn’t even touching naobito who is the fastest sorcerer behind gojo, who has 70ish years of experience as a sorcerer, and is the leader of the zenin clan who are pretty strong. He may not be able to do much, but that still makes it a stalemate for hanami outside of a domain. Not to mention that he was so fast Dagon admitted he couldn’t even use his techniques, so the same could likely be inferred for hanami, but I suppose that’s debatable. Dagon also had the inherent advantage of smooth skin, which is y playful cloud had to be sharpened anyways and also a big reason y nanami was doing nearly no damage. If his cleaver was sharp, it likely would’ve cut through Dagon at least a little, but it’s blunt. Hanami doesn’t have this advantage, and an overtime amped 7:3 is definitely doing more damage than a base goodwill yuji punch that hanami admitted does damage. The things he’d have to worry about mostly are the spawning and respawning trees, since with as much experience he has, and likely info on hanami’s techniques I doubt he’d be hit head on with a cursed bud, but maybe he gets blindsided who knows. Either way if naobito combos like he did on Dagon, hanami isn’t getting that off in the first place. Maki is falling behind and will stay behind until Megumi pulls up with playful cloud, but honestly by then it’d probably be better to just give it to naobito so he can actually do some damage. Either way tho, the only way hanami is objectively winning is through domain, and without any showings no one can say how strong it would be, or its technique so the only assumptions that can be made are that he uses the techniques he already uses but they are sure hits. Anyway maki and nanami are immediately out of commission with rapid fire cursed buds probably killing them, and nanami using FBE would defend against all of them. Since they aren’t as big as the shikigami, he likely wouldn’t be blindsided, but even if he was, multiple students that should be significantly less durable that naobito have taken hits from hanami and had relatively little damage done to them. So to be generous, a hit from hanami likely would cause naobito to break a limb. Regardless of what happens, FBE gets deactivated upon taking this hit, and naobito gets hit by a sure hit. It’s a stomp if hanami uses DE, but if not then he gets dog walked by drunk naobito. Then Toji shows up and destroys hanami with about as much ease as he did Ino since his hits won’t slip off of Hanami like it did Dagon. It’s literally the same scenario, except he’s less effective and takes more damage outside of domain, and more effective taking no damage inside. Results r the same with the Toji match tho. That’s also only considering that naobito doesn’t last long enough for megumi to show up, but he likely wouldn’t so I won’t even humor the thought because if he does, it’s likely back to square one since all hanami has now are stronger stats, but he’d still be slower than Jogo which naobito is faster than so it’s hammer time.
TLDR: not a stomp for hanami as the video suggests and the events go down relatively close to how it does in the story. The downplay on Dagon and Naobito is wild in this vid fr. Respect to the channel and anyone’s opinion, but at least give naobito some credit as the strongest zenin. Like the only sorcerers debatably quicker are obv Sukuna and Kashimo, but maybe hakari who technically isn’t a sorcerer so wouldn’t have been put in this speed test. However he keeps up w Kashimo in base so it’s likely. There’s even implications that Toji/maki aren’t even faster than naobito, they just have an advanced level of precog and spatial awareness that grants them the ability to predict him and dodge at the last moment.
@@bromous1446sukuna isn’t debatably quicker, he is quicker, and so are toji and maki. The zenin clan confirmed that if toji wanted to he could wipe the clan by himself if he wanted by didn’t, and curse naoya is much faster than naobito ever was which maki was fast enough to react to and beat. Curse naoya even mentions how tf am I not overwhelming you in speed during the fight, and we know that maki and toji are the same at that point. So no, naobito isn’t faster than any of them
Hanami would get cooked By Toji instead of Gojo
I think hanami would lost to nanami and the zanin since they already know hanami CT and weakness and hanami is less tanky then dagan since good will yuji was strong enough to hurt hanami and since nanami can create weak points he can literally make hanami go to hell with his CT and with naobito's CT it's gonna be light work
Hanami scales above Dagon and her curse technique is more deadly in the domain than Dagon's
Basically they die faster.
I actually disagree with this take for Hanami. I feel like Hanami would have to use domain expansion to stand a chance. We saw in goodwill that a serious Hanami was getting mixed up by yuji and todo. Then by this point in the series as this is a curse that maki has already fought she would give information about Hanami's abilities so things like the curse buds or the sudden appearing and disappearing of Hanami's attacks wouldn't be an issue. On top of this while Maki's physical stats by Shibuya is weaker than Yuji she still has great defense and was able to knock Hanami a considerable distance back with playful cloud. With that just being Maki's stats it's completely unfair to add Nanami and Naobito as Nanami has black flash which we have seen to do considerable damage to Hanami and Naobito's speed is going to mix up Hanami the same way boogie woogie did. We can also assume as Hanami isn't battle lusted it would probably be it's first time using DE so when Megumi does eventually show up it would be another tug of war situation. Then considering the fact that Dagon with amps and DE only really did so much damage because our crew was swarmed by cursed spirits Hanami's would probably be easier to deal with but that's just speculation. I do agree they would still have to hold out until Toji shows up but our crew would be nowhere near as damaged with even the possibility when Jogo shows Nanami isn't completely burned to a crisp and can stall Mahito until Yuji shows up.
Dude, the entire reason Hanami was fighting was to stall and Todo's technique was the only reason they were both able to have fair combat against Hanami.
Yuji did 4 black flashes because he was able to considerate and enter the zone with a Black flash, that is not going to happen with Nanami so easily.
The fighting area is smaller and Hanami can control it with her plants.
Yuji's strength did not matter, its was Todo's technique that let Yuji even get hits on Hanami.
Hanami's domain would be way worse for a sorcer than Dagon. All she would need is 1 hit to plant the curse energy draining bud and Naobito and Nanami are out.
Hanami's durability may also allow her to survive longer until Jogo shows up.
@@khulmach9662 Yuji without Black Flash(before any black flashes) and while Self admittedly holding back without Todo's help was able to damage Hanabi.
@@SRVaris Yuji never held back on Hanami, the hell are you talking about?
He also never admitted to anything, you are misremembering the scene with Yuta and Yuji.
@@khulmach9662 "Yuji never held back on Hanami, the hell are you talking about?"
Yuji says in chapter 48 "Its Body Is Wide Open!! It Lowered Its Guard After I Held Back For Some Blows... I Can Do This Now!!"
And these attacks were able to Damage Hanabi.
@@SRVaris First, that was chapter 48.
Second, Hanami said the attacks were fast but weaker than Maki.
Yuji then said he held back, allowing Hanami to think he was weak.
Those punches that Yuji held back on did not hurt Hanami
Both NO and BR conceited that durability wise Hanamin>Dagon. And this is false, because in Good Will Maki does the same damage to Hanamin as she does to Dagon in Shibuya, most likely being a stronger maki this would make Dagon tougher than Hanamin, and Ino thinks (he could be wrong here) that Yuuji is as strong as Namamin, we don't know if he refers to ratio, extra hours, or base, but if Ratio extra hours can't hurt Dagon, and GW Yuuji does harm Hanamin this would definitely give Dagon the tougher one position.
I do agree with them that Hanamin is the stronger fighter, being more versatile outside DE, higher battle IQ, and probably a higher growth potential. So I would give the verdict that the fight would be almost the same, but not knowing how does Hanamin DE works and not having her flower bloomed I'm betting on them doing better against Hanamin than Dagon
hanami gets merked by speed and his battle IQ is too low, low lowlowlow diff toji lol
No. Hanami has a strong expansion, he creates a field of flowers that takes away the will to fight. Just like Dagon's water, this can interact with Toji.
Toji says that as long as he used a weapon he would be visible to the barriers, meaning he wouldn't be able to escape the barrier.