Batch 7 Knife Test Results ! S90V & Magnacut !
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Batch 7 Test Results
1. Tuya Envy V4 (S90V)
V. 10.25
Cr. 14.08
Mn. 0.655
Fe. 73.25
Ni. 0.219
Cu. 0.149
Mo. 1.17
S90V
58.4, 58.8
2. Hogue Deka (Magnacut)
V. 4.65
Cr. 10.36
Mn. 0.601
Fe. 79.63
Nb. 2.26
Mo. 2.19
Magnacut
61.7, 61.2
3. CJRB Frac (S90V)
V. 9.60
Cr. 14.41
Fe. 73.91
Mo. 1.07
S90V
59.9, 60.4
4. Miguron Centurion (S90V)
V. 9.72
Cr. 14.11
Fe. 74.02
Nb. 0.094
Mo. 1.16
S90V
56.4, 56.5 ☹
5. ABW Model 2 (Magnacut)
V. 4.29
Cr. 10.87
Fe. 79.90
Nb. 2.31
Mo. 2.14
Magnacut
62.6, 62.9
6. Gareth Bull Clone (M390)
V. 4.32
Cr. 20.07
Fe. 73.16
Mo. 1.26
W. 0.503
M390, 20CV
64.2, 64.4 (spicy meatball!)
7. MKM Yipper (Magnacut)
V. 4.39
Cr. 10.77
Fe. 79.46
Nb. 2.39
Mo. 2.28
Magnacut
61.8, 62.1
8. Ritter Hogue RSK (Magnacut)
V. 4.02
Cr. 10.43
Fe. 80.55
Nb. 2.35
Mo. 2.09
Magnacut
62.9, 62.9
9. Kizer Drop Bear (Nitro V)
V. 0.077
Cr. 13.37
Fe. 85.47
Nitro V
59.0, 59.1
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Batch 7 Test Results
1. Tuya Envy V4 (S90V)
V. 10.25
Cr. 14.08
Mn. 0.655
Fe. 73.25
Ni. 0.219
Cu. 0.149
Mo. 1.17
S90V
58.4, 58.8
2. Hogue Deka (Magnacut)
V. 4.65
Cr. 10.36
Mn. 0.601
Fe. 79.63
Nb. 2.26
Mo. 2.19
Magnacut
61.7, 61.2
3. CJRB Frac (S90V)
V. 9.60
Cr. 14.41
Fe. 73.91
Mo. 1.07
S90V
59.9, 60.4
4. Miguron Centurion (S90V)
V. 9.72
Cr. 14.11
Fe. 74.02
Nb. 0.094
Mo. 1.16
S90V
56.4, 56.5 ☹
5. ABW Model 2 (Magnacut)
V. 4.29
Cr. 10.87
Fe. 79.90
Nb. 2.31
Mo. 2.14
Magnacut
62.6, 62.9
6. Gareth Bull Clone (M390)
V. 4.32
Cr. 20.07
Fe. 73.16
Mo. 1.26
W. 0.503
M390, 20CV
64.2, 64.4 (spicy meatball!)
7. MKM Yipper (Magnacut)
V. 4.39
Cr. 10.77
Fe. 79.46
Nb. 2.39
Mo. 2.28
Magnacut
61.8, 62.1
8. Ritter Hogue RSK (Magnacut)
V. 4.02
Cr. 10.43
Fe. 80.55
Nb. 2.35
Mo. 2.09
Magnacut
62.9, 62.9
9. Kizer Drop Bear (Nitro V)
V. 0.077
Cr. 13.37
Fe. 85.47
Nitro V
59.0, 59.1
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I’m not surprised at all by the Miguron. I bought an Elgar in S90V cause it was like $130 and I was excited to get my first S90V blade for that price. I put an INSANELY sharp edge on it with a fixed angle system, to the point I could shave the edge of a piece of paper and get curlicues the thickness of a human hair!! I then cut about 30 ft of cardboard. The last 10 fr were really hard to cut, so I decided to see if I could still get curlicues off the paper. I was shocked to see that I couldn’t even cleanly slice the paper anymore! I’ve had bedder edge retention off of $6 420J knives. I put a few more edges on it to make sure I was passed the steel that was burned up from creating the factory edge, and it still wasn’t much better. Seeing this Miguron test at 56 HRC lines up with my use experience. And my blade is PVD coated, so that process probably makes mine more like 55 HRC 😢
On top of all that, the lock failed on me with almost no pressure. Cut my thumb extremely bad. So now the Elgar sits in a junk basked in my bedroom. Huge disappointment all around. Miguron: if you happen to see this, please work on your heat treatments and your lock, face geometry! The fit, finish and action on the Elgar is phenomenal!Far above and beyond what I expected for the price you are charging. If you could just fix those two things, you would hands-down be my favorite knife company in the world!
LTK: thank you so much for doing these tests! Keep up the great work
REALLY APPRECIATE ALL YOU DO FOR THE KNIFE COMMUNITY, LTK! THESE TESTS ARE VERY IMPORTANT!
To be honest if knife I bought was tested and had two hits marks on it.... I would not say it lost it value, hell, I would pay straight away for it as it was tested, its like having car tested for HP and fuel economy, its a bonus! :D
Also that MKM Yipper... uf Im in love! :D
Thanks!
Thanks 🙏
Cool batch, these test are important because they force producers to be more honest about steel. Although I'm looking forward to a budget knives batch again 🙏
Thank you so much Lee for doing this important work for all of us whom benefits off of your time, energy, labor and love of knives! Thank you a million bajillion! Very very much appreciated! I most definitely LuvThemKnives!
That Gareth Bull clone is a spicy meatball! I never would have guessed that result. Best $100 I have spent! 👌 👏 👍
Whos the manufacturer of the clone? Seems like a killer deal
@piloman5483 not sure. Lee says Hillberg knives and they are out of business
While I'm glad to see the Hogue knife tested in Magnacut has proper HRC, I'm never going to be over how soft the Magnacut is on my Hogue Deka. Even sent it in and they didn't do a thing. They sent it back with the same warped soft blade except with even more damage to the blade itself at the apex. To this day that knife won't take an edge.
always a good thing when the metals test out to be as advertised, keeps everyone honest as should be!
Thanks again Lee. I love these posts you create and look forward to the next one!🔪
Thanks for the testing and results Lee!
Thanks for doing this!
Great job Lee
Thanks, I never bought chinese made knives before 2024 just because I have my favorite brand which happen to not come from there. Bought the Artisan Revel and Jack Wolf Gunslinger recently. Both in S90V. Even on the stones it was weird, the burr can't be raised properly, not like on an S90V Spyderco. I did not have a hard time sharpening them properly, but I've never seen S90V act that way on the stones before. I've cut a lot with the Revel and the edge retention is poopoo in my opinion. Really disappointed.
The Gunslinger acted similarly on the stones, I hope it's gonna keep its edge better .
Miguron’s S90 was low on your last testing too.
Although I've read that Crucible recommend a target of 56-58 HRC my understanding is that the optimal target is 60-62. Crucible's recommended HRC needs to be taken in context in that: 1) it offers S90V as a 440C alternative - not surprising as S90V is essentially powdered 420 with high vanadium. If there is an intention to keep hardness, toughness & ease of sharpening correlated the low HRC is understandable. 2) Crucibles HRC is a recommendation only! To get the best edge performance out of S90V 60+ is needed even if some toughness is sacrificed. Sharp blades all.
Wow thats terrible for that miguron and that 64 on that m390 clone is crazy. Thank LTK for the info.
I been looking for someone to test these company's we need to make sure their not robbing use more then we all ready are.
Whelp according to crucible s90v 58 hrc is acceptable in that range for thoughness,but shooting for 60-61 hrc is optimal.
Pretty sure 58 is fine if you need more toughness, as S90V is not at all a tough steel 😂
But at 58 HRC it should still beat out S30V, S45VN, S35VN and even 20CV at 60 HRC
Also at 58HRC, it will be significantly more stain resistant as well, like surprisingly stain resistant, not quite 20CV, but will beat out XHP & S30V at the same hardness, which is kinda Nutty
S90V is a very strange steel, because the difference with hardness is amplified more then most other steels
While something like 20CV might gain marginally more stainless and toughness properties by being softer, S90V gets massive gains to both by going down, and gets insane sharpness & edge retention going up
All relative of course, it’s not magic
S90V should be HRC 60+. Our eyes are on magnacut so the manufacturers are getting good heat treats there. Until the lower HRCs on S90V and M390 and others are brought to light the tendency on the makers side will be to treat low to keep their costs down
Great video
TYFYS 😊
I’d really like to see some remette knives tested if u can in the future. Love these videos keep up with lords work testing these knives.
Yeah remette and trivisa
I tested a Remette in M390. It was 62.7 HRC. More to come soon.
@@LuvThemKnives awesome I don’t know how I missed it or I guess I didn’t cuz I watched it I guess I just forgot but I love u doing these and I’m honestly surprised they don’t get more views with as much complaining people do now adays about hrc.
Cpm10v has been tested at 64.5. On the PM2, from REC. That’s 10% Vanadium.
S90V doesn't really gets higher than 60hrc and it is very tricky steel to do right (even for custom knifemakers). That's why I don't like and do not buy knives in s90v. Elmax, M390 or Magnacut is the way to go for a high performance stainless steels. Apart from that I choose carbon steels any day. 😎
A lot of your Magnacut is going to be 61-62 at best. According to Larin Thomas it can go higher via cryogenic cooling. Most of your production manufacturers are not going to do this hence why 61-62 is what we are seeing.
How about some CPM Rex76? Cpm10v, BU K390….lots of hard steels out there..👍🏻
way to go ABW
Clone for the win lol
Honestly I'm almost on board with all my knife steels being 14c28n, nitro-v,they hold a decent edge and take a wicked edge without tons of work...I just got my rex121 from Spyderco and yeah it does hold it's edge quite well but it's keen edge disappears sooner than you think it should all this for+$330 including shipping 😢
The deka was coated, that is why it was low.
Good stuff,!
So 58 for s90v is better for corrosion resistance, but higher is better for toughness according to larrin in knife steel nerds
Yes. That’s what I was lead to believe as well.
Thanks again LTK... what on earth?!?! a clone shamwari with such a high HRC...Ayone know where i can get one?!?! :)
That Nitro-V Drop Bear is a little low. A little over 61 is a better target for that composition.
Could you do some from tactile knife co and quiet carry!
I’ll see if someone can send me some for testing purposes
@@LuvThemKnives I love their both designs but living outside USA would really like to see results before paying tax and shipping across sea! TNX for your work and help to community!
That's not a centurion. it's a miguron flix 2.
So much for the description from the guy who sent it to me. 😂
It's super expensive to grind a high RC rated S90V blade, you can imagine how many grinding belts they would go through if all S90V is at 63rc
I was gonna subscribe but I checked and I already am! Arn't those Miguron's kinda cheap knives? Maybe they skimped on the heat trest!
Very disappointing from Miguron. I'd love to see what Jack Wolf knives get on their S90V if you can test one at some point. It's a bit rough to figure out what that range is supposed to be, wouldn be very interested in a video on recommended ranges for most common blade steels.
Check out the link to the spreadsheet that I posted. That will have hardness ranges for various types of steels.
Are my comments being screened before posted?
S90V isn't supposed to be as high as M390/20CV it's optimal at a point or 2 lower. So a 59 is actually good. Atleast according to Google. 56 would be the lowest acceptable number.
I think you’re correct.
I’ve also heard s90v is easier to heat treat than m390 is that true?
Not one Spyderco? 🤷♂️
Man that Miguron is disappointing
It would be good to see if Eafengrow has sorted their stuff out. Thank you for this service
Man really dog this video more like it ty brother
*dig
Ive been saying this about Miguron for a long time now....if you sharpen knives yourself you will know. GARBAGE edges out of the box on all models is your first red flag....and soft soft almost unable to sharpen on some I have had... I wont go near another Miguron.
Thank goodness I related that to them. They’re saying that they’re gonna change heat treatment contractors.
Miguron busted!
From what I’ve seen, 60.5-62 is ideal. Not positive
Do you not believe in free speech any longer one of my comments was posted the other wasn’t it was strange because I did notice. It wasn’t posted right away. Come on.
I’m not surprised at all by the Miguron. I bought an Elgar in S90V cause it was like $130 and I was excited to get my first S90V blade for that price. I put an INSANELY sharp edge on it with a fixed angle system, to the point I could shave the edge of a piece of paper and get curlicues the thickness of a human hair!! I then cut about 30 ft of cardboard. The last 10 fr were really hard to cut, so I decided to see if I could still get curlicues off the paper. I was shocked to see that I couldn’t even cleanly slice the paper anymore! I’ve had bedder edge retention off of $6 420J knives. I put a few more edges on it to make sure I was passed the steel that was burned up from creating the factory edge, and it still wasn’t much better. Seeing this Miguron test at 56 HRC lines up with my use experience. And my blade is PVD coated, so that process probably makes mine more like 55 HRC 😢
On top of all that, the lock failed on me with almost no pressure. Cut my thumb extremely bad. So now the Elgar sits in a junk basked in my bedroom. Huge disappointment all around