The Armenian Pagan Neo-Nazi Problem
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- Опубликовано: 27 июл 2018
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To clarify: Though the foundations of the faith branch from Nzhdeh's historic race religion ideals, it would be inaccurate to say that the concept of an Aryan/Armenian bloodline drive the modern version of the religion. There's a huge amount of nuance there, hence the somewhat contradictory points around 5:50 in the script.
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That title was a rollercoaster.
Nah, replace neo-nazi with the Young Turks.
yeah its pretty misleading
@@lianahit2614 not entirely, everything in the title was in the video in that order.
This sounds like an Onion title.
Nah VICE.
"Hmm let's see... Lebanese Communist Donut Makers endangered by Indian Elephant Riders"
I love the onion but to me it doesn’t sound that way. It’s a terrible problem and it’s everywhere, a lot of neo-Nazis and whatever else They want to call themselves usually love these cultures. It’s all over the place. They love old Nordic traditions, Celtic ones etc.
The title is dumb. He should have used 'neo-pagan'. Ancient Armenian religion has as much to do with neo-paganism as Shincheonji has to do with Christianity.
Starting a fake cult to help your girlfriend is a power move. That's true love.
The longer I've been watching your videos the more I've begun to wonder what the common goal in all of these videos really is. I think just now I may have realized one of them.
There is a psychological effect often talked about with astronauts, called "the overview effect." I think it's possible Commander Hadfield had the same shift in cognition . I believe it's possible that part of your goal is to find a way to share that same clarity with us poor ground bound apes doomed to live at the bottom of the gravity well by showing us all how distinct yet alike we are in a way that is harder to do, but more accessible than strapping ones self too a couple thousand tons of controlled explosion.
It's beautiful.
Kyler Anderson The overview effect was invented by a documentarian, I believe. It isn't actually real. But the principle it describes is a core of my making this series, yes. :)
Reading you comment I couldn't help but notice the irony of how it becomes displayed.....as it was finalized by RUclips in the statement, 'Show less'. I thought it was hilarious that such an awakened moment was accidentally encouraged to stay silent.
I think the term for the effect described in the video is generally called "idealism". Aka the unrealistic pursuit of perfection. It is like the force of entropy when it comes to ideology, especially when the youth runs amock (though old people can be naive and idealistic as well). It can also be a force of improvement when the dosage is right.
Why does their need to be a common goal or an agenda per say? Perhaps the only "goal" here is to learn, and from learning, become better and more educated people open to ideas and perspectives from all walks of life. And from what I've seen from this video at least, learning to avoid those elements that could be considered dangerous.
I agree with her
Thank you for the video!! Byt i want you to know that 99% of armenians are othodox christians, and pagans are a very small minority..
Armenia was the First Christian Nation.
Christianity is just as weird as any kind of 'paganism.'
Christianity is a mickey mouse religion
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Evan and Francesco, I've been watching your videos since the beginning, and I've got to say, you're some of my favorite people. Thank you for doing what you do.
I have never had the privileged here on RUclips to watch content that is incredibly honest, open and careful. Many forget there are real people behind all things historical more so when dealing with genocide, intolerance or just plain hate. I truly enjoyed what your videos put forth, clarity, open mindedness and patience, all of which seem to be lacking in many aspects of our lives. Thank you for providing a safe raven for all to contemplate our world.
I am of Armenian and Irish descent. So I am am member of two diasporas with prominent nationalist movements. I grew up in Colorado Springs. So, I am versed in far-right politics. The only thing that surprises me about all this is that no one saw the neo-nazi problem coming. Once you make preserving a racial-religious identity an explicit political goal, it is going to attract people who want that identity to be advanced, to the exclusion of all other identities.
Gregory Bogosian i hope you find a jewish ancestor in your lineage. it would give you a third facet to your diaspora history.
Bebe Reyes I'l get the measuring tools out...
Gregory Bogosian very interesting point! How do we prevent movements geared toward the former (survival), which is a noble goal in all cases, from ever acting on the latter (exclusionary advancement)?
Eric Van Zee
I think we can do that by celebrating and advancing our own heritage, but also promoting intra-group understanding and enjoyment of culture. Recognizing and maintaining our differences doesn't have to mean demonizing them. I think it's natural to love one's group like family, but it is also useful and enjoyable to think of other groups as your friends.
I live in the Co Springs area as well. I'm a military brat and I've only been here for a few years, but what specifically are your experiences with far-right groups in this city? I see a lot of mainstream conservatism going on, but never any Neo-Nazis or anything I myself would consider to be "far right".
Twitter is rife with your classmate's clones.
twitter is for idiots
(sarcasm) yeah lets continue to draw lines and create us vs them scenarios and do battle. let ua continue this behavior to the last single living human.
@@luciferangelica I can confirm that Twitter is in fact for idiots. Terrible site.
As a Vietnamese, I LOVE and respect Armenian people. They have been thru so many hardship and genocide but are still around. BRAVO TO ARMENIA AND ARMENIAN PEOPLE!!!
-- With love from Vietnam
@@ArthaxtaDaVince777 Thank you for your kind words. Vietnam will ALWAYS be with Armenia!!!
LONG LIVE ARMENIA!!
LONG LIVE VIETNAM!!!
DEATH TO iSLAM!!
DEATH TO cHINA!!!
Amen.
@@ToiYeuYAHWEH LoL, you hate China because you're jealous of its success, while Vietnam on the other hand is doing worse.
@@Mitchery no china is trying to take over anything it can now its desperate for allies or slaves at this point
As a Pole, I LOVE and respect Vietnamese people. They have been thru so many hardship and genocide but are still around. BRAVO TO VIETNAM AND VIETNAMESE PEOPLE!!! -- With love from Poland.
@@ToiYeuYAHWEH haha bitch please without China Vietnam would have been raped by usa
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Neo Nazi is a poor choice of words. Like comparing an Orange to Grapefruit. Nazi, and by relation fascism, is entirely radical and malicious. The idea you are referring to and almost hinting at is this:
Armenia and Armenians are deeply loyal to family and traditions. As a nation, Armenia has been surrounded by and occupied by malicious forces and empires time and time again, yet we remain Armenian by choice. We hold the idea that the world can be as beautiful as we imagine it to be, with everybody in every country living peacefully and to their own. Yet, we also know the taste of the truth that is; the world is grounds for demons who want your soul. It's hard as an Armenian to trust yet we hold faith enough to, (we trust our neighbors enough to invite them into our homes for BBQ, we trust enough to help and contribute etc etc etc) yet a grim cloud of death hangs over the Armenian conscious because it was our very neighbors who have always tried to erase our existence. The idea you almost touched on was the idea to trust family only, and to preserve our existence in this world by defending our blood and culture. The Nazi aim is to take over the world, the Armenian aim to survive on our land. We understand that every nationality has their place and purpose, but we will not give up our right to live nor our ancestral lands. You could kill us but the Armenian spirit is the spirit of life itself, we will never fade
@@roland1901 very well said
The idea of "every people living peacefully among their own" is closely related to the idea of ethnostates, which itself is a very common fascist idea
@@katethegoat7507 Close, maybe. Not the same. Differentiating factor is peace. Arguments and disagreements, sure. People are animals of conflict. But senseless killing is something that humans can avoid.
Also, “living peacefully among their own” doesn’t have to mean among their own ethnicity. Think of a multi cultural city like Los Angeles. A lot of cultures from different parts of the world can coexist amongst each other because we share enough common interests and most of us are able to respect the differences without having to agree. I wouldn’t say Los Angeles is a fascist collective. It can be, but enough of us recognize that fascism isn’t really cool
@@haiktsarukyan the problem with the idea of "people living peacefully among their own" rises mostly when people focus on the "among their own" part more than the "living peacefully" one.
Or when somebody starts thinking that the former is necessary for the latter.
@@katethegoat7507 yes I agree. The last bit is a bit confusing though, cause peace is necessary for the latter (among your own)
My original point is the general consensus among most populations, Armenians included, is peace
To raise my hand and reinterpret your point:
You're right. Any ideologically bound group is inherently at risk of being taken over by more extreme elements. That doesn't just go for the Right but also for the Left, the Libertarians and the Authoritarians.
As someone with a slight bias towards the left wing, I'm astounded by the amount of people on "my side" that genuinely argue for communism.
As soon as the argumentative groundwork is layed, it's often difficult to argue against more extreme conclusions without seemingly attacking your own beliefs.
For example I do believe that economic equity is, at its core, a noble goal. So how do I argue against someone who then stands up and says "Let's go out and put economic equality into action!"? All I can do is say "I don't actually want equality" and regardless of my beliefs it's easy to see how that would immediately discredit me within the discussion.
The answer to this is to always think critically and to deconstruct your own beliefs and those of "your side" just as thoroughly as those of your enemies, if not more.
ターニャ I find myself explaining to people quite often how those with good intentions but ideologically driven can easily be manipulated by those that wish to control. I’m British and Britain has a high number of nationalists im also left leaning but still a nationalist to an extent and it’s a common thing in Britain to have this view of superiority over everyone else in Europe because we are British we won wars against them we are conquerers, but we aren’t now we hold our history to our heart and say this is why we are superior but we’re not we aren’t better than the rest of Europe we’re in many respects worse than them but we believe we’re better because 200 years ago our armies dominated theirs.
I use that as an explanation for British nationalism as more extreme nationalism is on the rise and it’s because British people feel disenfranchised the government plays stupid games the police are understaffed and can be ineffective and many other problems are pushing people toes do people like tommy Robinson because he talks sense and addresses the problems in the country. Tommy’s probably not a bad guy misguided but he stands up for what he thinks is right, but the problem is that people who only wish to better themselves could take control of these groups and use them to push agendas not in the interest of British people but the interest of the powerful. It’ll likely not come up o this but Britain has a history of its people rising against those who wish to oppress or disempower them but they’ve never had the support of the working class so widely within their more fringe groups. I’m left leaning but I know that those groups fringes can be dangerous whether left or right and I believe your point is the most accurate those with good intent driven by ideology easily become the new enemy of liberty.
First of, can I just say that I absolutely adore your rambling about Britain's superiority complex? As a German I'm very familiar with that part of your culture (#GottStrafeEngland :p).
There's two different effects here I believe.
On one hand a group that feels ignored, disenfranchised or even attacked will tend toward more extreme ideologies and actions, case in point Germany 1933. That seems obvious enough, if being moderate has gotten you into the position you're in you might consider being more extreme to get out of it.
On the other hand there's a general trend that pushes ideologically homogeneous groups or groups with any shared goal towards extremism. This doesn't happen because moderate strategies seem to be less effective or because the members of the group feel attacked, but simply because with a decrease in ideological diversity it becomes harder and harder to defend yourself against extremist arguments. After all: They're on your side, and by attacking them you're essentially attacking yourself.
You could call it part of the echo chamber effect, the more your own beliefs are confirmed and strengthened by your surroundings, the more confident you are in them and the more likely you are to argue more extreme points.
If you're arguing with a group of leftists it's so much easier to make a case for communism than if you're talking to right wingers.
Even beyond that, there's the aspect that some individuals simply crave power and influence and will manipulate a group to support their agenda. Ideological homogeneity is extremely easy to exploit for people like that, since their arguments only have to seem valid from one perspective.
One last point I'd like to make: There's this idea of "the path to hell is paved with good intentions", something that you eluded to as well.
I put forth that an ideology or political group without good intentions simply doesn't exist. Nobody would follow someone who wanted to worst for them.
For me personally this is a kind of test I give myself, to see if I understood someone's ideology. Asking myself "For whom do they want the best, and how are they trying to achieve that?". This not only makes people more relatable, be they Nazis, Commies or Jihadists, it also gives you a starting point to actually reason with them. It might sometimes seem that some people are just unhinged lunatics filled with hate, but this is very rarely actually the case.
Near as I can tell, if your left-leaning friends aren't calling you a fascist, and your right-leaning friends aren't calling you a communist, you're probably out on the fringe somewhere, which is fine as long as you remember that the others around you are also humans and deserving of dignity and respect.
COMMUNISM ISNT ECONOMIC EQUALITY ITS ECONOMIC EQUALITY OF OPPORTUNITY WHERE CEOS ARENT SACKED BUT WORKERS ARE ENCOURAGED TO GO CREATE THEIR OWN ENTERPRISES (OR RECUPERATE WHEN BANCKRUPCY OR LAY-OFF) AND IN THE CASE OF INDUSTRY AND MEDIUM-LARGE BUSINESSES TO COLLECTIVELY OWN THE MEANS OF PRODUCTION. I personally recommend reading Marx and Engels (if you can get past the hogwash of labour history) rather than off quotes and commentaries if you want a feel of mid 19th century communism political thinking. STATE OWNED ENTERPRISE AND REDISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH AND EVEN BLOODY TAXES DOESNT HAVE TO BE PART OF THE DISCUSSION AS FAR AS ARGUMENTATION GOES, AND WHY WOULD IT HAVE TO BE IN A FINAL PRACTICAL SENSE (seeing as making those a core component of your policies goes and bam! defines communism :) GO LOOK YOUGOSLAVIA UP, IT GOT COMMUNISM ""MUCH LESS WRONG"" THAN MOST OTHER PLACES YOU CAN THINK ABOUT. ISREALI KIBOUTZ IS ALSO INTERESTING. PSA by your friendly neighbour a(pre-)political non-communist liberal slacker literature and music graduate
Oeumuepo Stéphanois
I won't adress your political arguments here because this isn't what the conversation is about. I just made an example from something I see argued quite commonly, whether that aligns with your understanding of communism or Marx' understanding of communism I don't really care. The fact that you take such a big issue with that example that that's the only part of my argument that you adress at all kind of suggests that you care about this a bit too much. No offence.
Now if you can stop with the caps lock spam and the "Everyone is wrong about this, therefore their opinion doesn't matter"-angle (by that logic there's nothing wrong with National Socialism) I'd quite like to talk about this.
I'm just discovering this channel, great content, well put together 👏
Your outro was so powerful and well-said. I said to myself, "Damn," and went back to rewatch that section just because of how good it was. Thank you for creating some of the best content on RUclips.
@RareEarth The idea of blood being tied to religion is actually the way all native religions work. Native faiths are almost universally based on ancestor veneration. And in these religions, your culture's heroes and Gods are seen as your ancestors. The Spartans for example viewed themselves as being descendants of Hercules, who himself was a descendant of Zeus. They therefore saw themselves as descendants of Zeus. Because of this, they were tied by blood to their religion. If your religion is based on ancestor veneration, then you can't just pick and choose your religion, because you can't choose your ancestors. I literally can't practice Cherokee ancestor veneration, because I don't have Cherokee ancestors. In the same way, an African can't practice Greek ancestor veneration because they don't have Greek ancestors. I assume it is the same with Native Armenian faith. You must be tied by a common blood heritage, but it comes not out of hate, but the simple logical fact that you can't practice a native Armenian faith if you are not native Armenian.
I liked the peach joke XD
to clear things up for those who dont get: the fruit was an apricot and not a peach
Yeah, but I was in the moment and couldn't think of the word apricot. It fell on me from the tree. :)
Rare Earth I thought it was a reference to the video. You calling the apricot a peach and no one correcting you meaning you've taken the fruit and labeled it as something else to fit your benefit and narrative
But you forgetting the word works too lol
Erik Arustamyan i agree. It was a plum.
YanirOhana where can I find this joke?
Very nice series. Really like the quality of the writing, the depth of thoughts, the musical background and the qualitative images presented in a very sober manner Excellent work which must have required much preparation and dedication.
After watching a few of your vids, I can honestly say I would gladly watch a full time movie based off your storytelling. Subscribed.
Wow, Armenia is beautiful. My son in law is Armenian and I realize that I don't know much about his father's homeland. My in laws are wonderful people, but since this is my step daughter's husband and I didn't meet her mother until she was 16 years old I tend not to pry into her life too much. All I did know was that when she met her husband to be that her mother and I liked him and his family, who are hard working, friendly and caring people. Thanks for sharing some info in your videos of the plight of the Armenians.
My son is half armenian his father passed away and never taught him much about his roots , im puerto rican so hes been used to my family's roots but ive been pulling up content on Armenia bc its imperative that he knows both sides, he looks more like them than he does me lol hes got sandy straight hair very light skin and hazel eyes, we are complete opposites lol..
I was always into foreign guys especially Armenian Bosnian Albanian german Greek or irishmen lol.. Theyve always been more appealing lol and they seemed to be very family oriented...
These videos are everything and im so enthralled with the vegetation and aerial shots theyre so breath taking id def love to visit there .. I lived in Germany 5yrs and it was enchanting Omgawshness!
Well it’s now less beautiful because Armenia just lost Karabakh.
Thank you for a very well thought out nuanced approach and understanding of this. Some aspects of this religion/politics combination going very bad, are being played out in several other parts of the world, right now.
These videos are amazing man! I love the research that goes into this history and the storytelling is top class. And you should come back to your dad’s hometown, it’s not quite rare but there’s a video to be made about the first encounter the tribes of the now American Midwest and Canadian Ontario had with french explorers sailing up the Saint Clair into Lake Huron; imagine the sight of ships of the scale that have never been seen before suddenly appearing on the horizon, only to simultaneously destroy your civilization by accident and with purpose a few generations later. There’s also some amazing untouched wilderness that would be great for B role if you take a boat up north in the lake (I don’t know anything about filmmaking but just a suggestion lol). The fact that this half of the globe was built upon utter, organized, and despicably well executed conquest is a fact that we need to reckon with, and I think these videos are wonderful for helping people understand the roots of a place. It might help them understand those of “ours”.
I like this video because you put so much emphasis on nuance and clarity of a message and that is something that is missing from most discussions both online and off the cuff ones in real life.
Even now with all the time in the world I can't really be arsed to write out my thoughts in full and would rather just jolt down an answer along the lines of: "Yeah exactly!" or "I sorta agree with it"
And it is from those answers that the misrepresenting types draw their sense of mass compliance with their ideas and associations towards the subject in question.
thank you. this was wonderful. it so simply explains such a complex issue... this might actually be able to reach some people in need. maybe.
You have the most consistently interesting and educational content on youtube by far!
Look up Primitive Technology, you’ll enjoy that channel.
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You know..I sometimes don't understand what you mean in these videos upon the initial viewing but I think that's why I love this channel. You make me think about things I would never of have thought of before and that is an awesome feeling.
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thank you Evan for doing what you do and thank you Chris for having parented him and letting him take this channel over...
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I only just found this channel recently and I can't stop watching. Great content, well presented and very well spoken. Don't stop.
I’m gonna cover both bases here:
You’re a communist!
You’re a fascist!
You can count this comment towards both tallies!
you are a democrat (imperialist) and a self proclaimed dictator, you can count this comment towards you as a person.
Communist and fascist.....ANTIFA?
K581 when you assume... nevermind, you're probably too stupid to get it.
assumption from your side, but you are to stupid to comprehend that yourself. melonhead.
Those are the same thing both extreme left ideologies based on Marxism
Your videos always are of insane quality, both technically and regarding the content you put out. I love your work, keep it up.
Your videos are so well made! You’ve got such a clear point of view! Well done
Love these videos :) Keep up the awesome work.
Still one of the rarest video series on RUclips Dot Com. Keep it up, proud of you
thanks for taking the effort to make these videos - watching them is a good use of free time
The Armenian Genocide (1914-1923) was only a few decades removed, so not surprising that a desire for revenge or recompense would motivate partnering with whatever state could aid that effort. The enemy of our enemy is our friend.
I get your point but Nazi Germany would have been the utter definition of poisoned chalice tbf
the amount of armenian pagans in general is less than 0.1%
also, would love to see you go to turkey and start talking about the Armenian genocide and see how they treat you.
Thats like going to a nazi and praising jews. İm Turkish and i would ottoman slap their ass if someone did that.
As an Armenian person, I enjoyed the video, but I think there are some ideas that need to be untangled for the sake of clarity: Nzdeh was a man of his time (as you correctly point out) his ideology was both borne out of existential struggle but also borrowed from the proto-fascist ideas which were in vogue at the time across Europe. I don't think its right to conflate Nzhdeh's "nation-religion" concept (which was more of a political ideology than a religion) with the modern neo-paganist movement (even if there is some overlap between its supporters). The neo-pagan movement in Armenia was reinvigorated with the fall of communism, and a desire from some people to return to a pure form of religion to replace their faith on socialism (this is in line with a lot of Slavic-paganism revivals across the former Soviet space happening at the same time) - many of them were associated with various neo-nazi movements, but its important to point out that neo-pagans (and especially neo-nazi pagans) form an infinitesimally small portion of the Armenian population; and the Armenian Aryan Order went from being an obscure political party to a joke, and then basically disappeared. Nzdeh is held in high regard by the majority of Armenians in one way or another, and that probably includes pagans, most of us do not remember him primarily as the creator of a pagan religion, however. Its worth pointing out that Armenia does have issues with ultra-nationalism and neo-fascism even to this day, but that's mostly beyond the tiny pagan community. The pagan-neo-nazi thing was a trend for foreign journalists visiting Armenia in the late '90s and early '00s but isn't really an issue anymore.
really appreciated this followup to the previous video; I couldn't help but think about all those problematic connections and it's definitely a complicated and deserving of nuanced conversation.
What a wonderful perspective! Knowing the deep history of a region truly opens the mind to reason and understanding. Thank you.
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finding an episode that i havnt watched is like finding a christmas pressent that i have forgotten to open. :)
Your videos are challenging and thought provoking and... "educational" (I don't really like that word in this context, but to explain: I haven't done much traveling and I enjoy the experience of seeing the world your way - the same way I enjoy seeing the world through the eyes of a good photographer). Thank you for the effort you and your associates put into making them. They are a pinch of reality and a whiff of truth in a cauldron of confusing disconnection.
There is nothing wrong with preserving your people and religion.
Says someone with a German username lol
@@eeyjug9849 There's nothing wrong with preserving German culture and people.
long live to Germany, keep Prussian heritage with care, keep your culture ajd identity dear Germans. Aside Armenians, Germans are my most loved ones. By best friend is German.
@@eeyjug9849 way to refute his statement lol.
That's what he's saying. He's saying that you might want to acknowledge that just next to your attempts to perserve your people and religion is a very natural but dangerous tendency to persecute other people in the name of unity. It's a cautionary tale about extremism.
The path to hell is paved with good intentions.
...and melting snowballs :-).
Amen
so is the path to heaven . . .
The path to good intentions is paved with hell.
Hell isn't real and you cant pave good intentions???
The ad before this video was for a Masterclass with Chris Hadfield. The perfect overture for the video by Evan.
Thank you for such a deep and informative video keep up the great work brother
I love how impartial rare earth tries to be, but still has a feeling of soul and objective to it, and not some dry documentary.
Impartial? 😂😂😂😂 Looks like CNN.
That peach really wanted to be in this video
Another great video. This level nuance and the attempt to understand and describe something controversial like this is much appreciated in this day and age!
Cringe mask wearer.
Wow! Great job on this video!!! First time I’ve seen one like this get everything correctly. I really appreciate it!!
The irony of this entire video being about nuance, and the comments seeing black and white. That man in the classroom has many disciples.
Charlie Read oof to the Catholic
I disagree. I think Rare Earth ignores a lot of the nuance in his painting of anyone right of left as a neo-nazi while the only fact he uses is "He fought with Hitler!" which is a dubious claim at best.
What you said at the end applies to everything. From the moment the “ball” has your name on it there’s danger.
That’s why I don’t understand the obsession with giving your name away. Is it a need to feel included in a larger group?
Great work mate. Beautifully shot, as always
What a good, deep, objective and calm exposition of facts, historical facts, human behavior, culture, trends. Very well done!
I'd love to see you do a video on scientology.
You live the life my man! If you need an assistant or something, let me know
This subject has been resting heavily on my mind. Thank you for moving this conversation forward.
I'd like to try and use your style on some subjects I'm passionate about. You are a fantastic storyteller, and have connected many dots for me regarding imperial Japan. Thank you for doing these videos, and I wish you all the best.
Rise up fellow pagans!
Wonderful videos. Exceptional series. look forward to them, but dude, the "jump"? Is that a Canadian thing?
Recently discovered your cahnnel, I'm a fan of the end cards
It's an interesting view on the Armenian neo-nazi movement, but I'd suggest you contact local human rights organizations, you'll get a more complete idea.
beautiful landscape there
Outstanding piece. What remarkable history. Thanks for posting!
I LOVE YOUR CHANNEL, SPENDING THE EVENING BINDG WATCHING!!🌞🌿🍃🌾🌞
I was born in Armenia but moved when I was young so I was not aware of any of this really :o How did you find yourself in Armenia btw? Are you or your wife Armenian?
He makes documentaries for youtube, this being one.
Jackson Hayes, I see thanks.
Fascinating! Outstandingly lucid explanation. Best wishes to the people of Armenia from a non-Armenian Pan-Westernist Canadian.
So strange to have your mostly insignificant country in the modern times be talked about and deconstructed on such an interesting channel. I have to confess I had no idea this whole thing was going on. I wonder what your experiences were from our country? If you felt that atmosphere of ancient? How people there are different from the U.S and other places?
A very timely video, thank you. I wish that history wasn't such a loop
@8:00 I agree, that is not a peach.
As an Armenian, who grew up in Armenia, this is the first time I'm hearing about this "Problem". I've never seen or heard any Armenian talking about this religion that you are referring to. Are you sure this isn't some hyper-exaggerated joke or something?
Considering it is about .1% of the population, I'm not surprised you haven't heard of it. Being ethnically related doesn't by definition mean you're researched as to what's going on in every corner of society.
@Petros Pilasos the origin of the word is not from Ashkenazi, and I'd happily make videos in Israel.
Please research your opinions better before posting them in public.
@Petros Pilasos I called it a neo Nazi problem within the Armenian pagan religion, not within Armenia proper. You're overstating my point and disagreeing with something I never said.
Love that final chord, it really says 'pay attention' - very clever composer
One day i would like to buy you a pint and sit down for a chat and a smoke, I'm sure your company would be just as thought provoking as you video content. Bravo again my friend.
Excellent video except for a moment's confusion caused by use of language. Saying someone fought "with" the Nazis can be taken in two ways.
Timmy always fought with his sister suggests Timmy and his sister are always fighting each other. Not that they formed a unit to fight other people. In WWII the USA fought with the Allies to me sounds like an adversarial position. Maybe it's a British thing.
Could I suggest that for clarity, should the situation arise again, you say something like "The Armenians fought alongside Hitler", so as not to confuse stupid people like me.
I’m British too and was called confused by this. Perhaps it’s a American thing ?
It is taken both ways over here in the US. It’s mostly held in better context, such as “Britain and France fought with each other in WWI. Together they help end the war.”
Or alternatively,
“Spain and America fought with each other in the Spanish Civil War. With the defeat of the Spanish in Mexico, the US gained considerable territory in the West.”
Even in America though this is poor wording given the lack of context, but since the title mentions Nazis, one could guess that “fought with,” is “fought alongside.” Truth be told, if this was an English American class, the teacher might recommend replacing “fought with,” with “fought alongside,” the more commonly used phrase over here to denote they were on the same team.
Armenians neither had a reason to fight alongside Hitler, nor were they in a posiion to do so. Armenians in their provinces under Turkish rule were annihilated by The Ottoman rulers , between 1915-1918) who acted with the German auathorities. The video is full of falsehood regarding Armenian Pagan days and Neo-Nazi connections. (we're talking in the years before Christ.) Armenia was the first nation to adopt Christianity in the year 304 AD .No glory to this idiot talking BS.
@@ardamelanson530 yup I guessed so. He has an agenda . We hindus often face idiots like these. All part of Abrahamic globalist mafias
??? Armenians were also put into camps by Hitler. Armenia was not fighting along with him. He literally even used the Armenian genocide as inspiration. Who told you this information about all Armenians fighting along nazis?
The thing with Nzhdeh - he wanted Armenia's independence, and was thus against the Soviet Union who had annexed independent Armenia in the early 1920's; an independent Armenia Nzhdeh himself had fought for as a general. At that time Nzhdeh even led a successful rebellion against the Bolsheviks for more than half a year before they forced his army to surrender; one of the conditions for surrender was that Soviet Armenia got the region of Syunik in its borders, which now gives Armenia one of it's two open borders today, the one with Iran. Azerbaijan would easily have destroyed Armenia by now if it weren't for this. So anyway, World War II happens, and who else is against the Soviet Union? The Nazis. It's not that he necessarily agreed with the Nazis, he just saw them as the best chance to take down the Soviet Union and free Armenia.
And of the very few Armenian pagans I have met, none of them are neo-Nazis. At best it would be a very small fringe group that should rightfully be snuffed out. I see Armenian neopaganism more as a way to reclaim the history and culture that was destroyed when Christianity took hold in the country, followed by centuries of subjugation by foreign powers. To restore what was lost.
Nzhdeh was the founder of a right wing fascist philosophy known as tseghakronism, which argued for a return to armenian pagan ways, preservation of the armenian race, and anti partisanism. The co founder of the ideology authored a book about how Armenia was an Aryan Outpost in West Asia, intended to be read by racists as a way to prove armenia was white. If that doesnt sound like a nazi, I dont know what does.
You know dude you are very good with writing and explaining things, i am glad that you talk about things is not important to us at the same time consider all of us
My pressing question though is... Is that barrier meant to be at that angle? 6:27
Every word spoken here is True, This is a video that definitely needs to be shown in mainstream media if you were to ask me.
especially with the "immigration" crisis in Europe, and coming from a European country myself, I see the rise of extreme right-wing movements.
And yet I sympathize with them.
I can see their reason for being so, but even so, I don't support them.
And it is exactly as you say. You gotta keep your eyes on that ball.
I have several times caught myself almost floating a bit to the extreme side whenever there are incidents happening due to whatnot said immigrant or things that have taken effect when the government does not have control over their own immigration (Rinkyby Sweden as 1 of many examples).
It angers me that these immigrants do the things that they do with their hostility and non-adaptive culture.
And it angers me to see the government allowing them to be this way.
And yet it also angers me, that I start nodding my head along Neo Nazis.
because, I do not want history to repeat itself. And there is always a solution.
But its hard to put that solution out into the world, when someone else puts it out there for you, but not in the way you intended.
ave Europa nostra vera patria
Nicely composed response. I think the videographer would feel you understood well what he is communicating here.
Throughout recorded history, aren't all new religions tied up with politics?
Wasn't Christianity political when the Romans crucified Jesus? Wasn't Islam political when it spread throughout the Arabian Peninsula and into orthodox Byzantine and Zoroastrian Persian lands? Islam is still very much political with all the different sects like Sunni and Shia playing a big role in diplomatic relationships today. Diplomacy - after all - is just international politics, really.
Looking east, isn't Buddhism political because it imposed a "non-violent" (dharmic) life-style onto people, casting hunters, butchers and people who work with flesh into a "violent" and un-dharmic class? Essentially giving rise to the Yakuza in Japan, which is very much part of modern Japanese society and politics.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but to me it looks like religion and politics have always had a significant overlap throughout recorded history.
Yes, politics and religion have intermingled for millennia, but that doesn't work in modern world, and especially under monotheistic (extremist) religions. Under a society that has always been polytheistic you can make the natives and the polytheistic minorities coexist, because whilst their traditions might differ, they aren't at each others' throats at a fundamental / ethical level. Think of how Rome became a religious melting pot during Antiquity: even though it conquered the vast majority of its neighbours, it didn't have to fear minorities, because the latter knew of Rome's military and legislative power, organisation, and technological innovations; Rome was pretty much a precise machine, and aside from a few hiccups (rebellions and secession attempts here and there), it integrated and adopted the new cultures into itself, kind of like the Cylon, but nicer.
But here come the fanatics from the Middle East: they come to your country, ignore your laws and traditions (and all they had to do was respect the emperor to be left alone), and they have the nerve to tell you that you're wrong about everything. Flashforward a few decades, and what happened in Israel happened in Rome: all the other gods were "banished", many of their worshipers were slain or punished, the temples destroyed... you couldn't even practice your native religion or witchcraft in the privacy of your home (polytheistic Rome never meddled in private worship).
But don't think that extremism only takes the guise of monotheism. After 2000 years, extremism is all we know: once you were forced to worship only one deity to be worthy of life, as per the Old Testament; now these nationalist fools want to impose their own racist agendas on their countries, and they use the old gods of their ancestors as a vehicle to impose and inspire such views. All in all: Constantine I fucked humanity up for the rest of its existence on Earth.
Lol, way to misrepresent hundreds of years of Roman history! The Romans were only "tolerant" in the sense of not immediately killing you for beliefs, but they certainly didn't shy away from that. Julius Caesars campaign in Gaul and the Roman administration there was marked by prosecuting the native Gualic beliefs and killing upwards of one million people, while attempting to absorb what worked with Roman beliefs into the Roman pantheon. Christianity could not work with Roman paganism because by this point the imperial cult of viewing the Emperor as God was a complete contradiction of Christian belief. When this demand was refused, these people were Martyred for their beliefs by a system that was not nearly as "tolerant" as you represent. It was not about the "respect" of the emperor at all, if it were that simple it certainly doesn't explain that Christian emperors rebranded themselves as an agent/ambassador of Gods will, something which no one had any issues with.
Politics is religion
Sort of glossing over some important history here. Romans were extremely religiously tolerant. What they were not tolerant of was conflicting cultures, tribal societies and religious extremism for the time.
They particularly hated religious extremism, which for the time period was any religion that belived in one god, especially any religion that aggressively preached it's beliefs to the masses and definitively stated that other religions were false.
very well made video, thanks for the effort
Would you consider doing Europe? I think you could make some great content there!
I feel like only you can make titles like that work.
What good is racial purity without moral and ethical purity?
Almost every Foto you made
I was there haha nice.
I like your voice and general presentation style. Content was wonky, however, because the tone was introductory, but then only contained your feelings on the religion and it's origin without even a basic or fundamental description of the religion itself.
Thanks! I should probably mention that the point of this channel is to provide parables, not explanations. If you're expecting to hear a detailed description of the religion, my videos will always come across as wonky.
@@RareEarthSeriesThank you for taking the time to reply. I will continue watching with a better understanding of where you are coming from. I generally cross-reference new subjects anyway, so I'm not sure why I had a bug up my ass about it.
Weren't Armenians Zoroastrian before they converted to Christianity?
Some where but most had their own religion.
Herodotus 94 What was this religion called? All I can find is that they believed in Aramazd, who is basically the same creator God from Zoroastrianism Ahura Mazda.
Try this.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_mythology
YES
I visited the church you shown in the beginning.
that's awesome!
That first part just makes me think of a Gigachad
>says he agrees completely with you
>restates your opinion molding it to his own
Much love to you and to your wife. I am a cult survivor of a different cult. My parents are still in the cult that they raised me in. It can be the deepest form of pain to know that people who you care about are in a cult. #solidarity
This issue exists in pretty much every pagan religion (Asatru especially) and its heartbreaking. I hate dealing with or being assumed to share any ideology with nazis who I share a religion with.
Leave my pagan swastikas alone! Armenias beautiful, thanks for the video.
Unfortunately the swastikas has been so effectively co-opted by Nazis and neo -Nazis to the point of making it not worth it salvaging it at all.
@@elysium1384 That's a dumb and weak mentality. The swastika has existed in several cultures across the world and giving up a cultural symbol for that many people is just retarded. Are we going to give up hammers, sickles and stars because of communists? No. We shouldn't give up the swastika either.
GOD you come up with some spicy titles.
I want to cry. I watched your video about tourists ruining people's lives (in Cuba, Japan...)
When I realized that I forgot this channel name, I got very bummed out. And...I found you!
One of your better videos. Also, Armenia looks absolutely beautiful.
Do visit you wont be dissapointed.
When niche ethnic groups or tribes like Native Americans in the Americas, AFro-Americans (MLK), Africans etc. have "power" movements and promote their culture and such, the left is okay with it and even celebrates them. But when a small and fragile ethnic group in the Caucuses does it, then it's not right.
I'm not Armenian so it's not my fight, but I can point out that certain foreign observers of them can be hypocritical about how they view "ethnic struggle" movements.
Exactly.
FUCK YOU!
You are making mountain of mole hill, nowhere did the video maker disparage Armenian pride & healthy nationalist motives. He condemned outright neo-nazi supremacists coloring the Armenian heathen movement. Neo-Nazis are hateful genocidal maniacs that do not deserve any sort of celebration. You are either deliberately or ignorantly obfuscating the issue.
Your titles are a wild ride.
In the old days tribes and families gathered to hear stories to learn and be entertained and you are our story teller