Guess i'm sticking with this 1080ti for another however many years - everyone mocked it's price when it came out, but it's turned out to be a real workhorse
Yeah. I came here to see why people didn't like this card back when it released (at the time i just heard it was bad, but not why it was bad) since i got one for around $225 and i'm pretty happy with it, but oh boy, i'd never pay more than 300 dollars on this one. Good lord, AMD, what were you thinking?
if you ever dont have enough time to watch a full hardware unboxed review, always always always listen to the "final thoughts" section. very helpful stuff.
Because if you are stupid to compare GTX 1080 to RTX 2080.... when price was same as GTX 1080ti. Price and performance is only thing you should look, not names, or u get in trap of marketing.
They should be measured in frames per dollar. I have no problem with only reducing currency requirements as long as they're not jacking prices to the moon. I can keep my 5700xt a few more years. It's fast enough.
I agree. What is this 2007? They can eat something and die in my wallets view. I can't wait till Intel brings there GPU to the market. Also TSMC is getting back on track with no water shortage anymore so we should see some massive price drops come January. Also China crypto mining cards hitting the market. It will bomb MSRP soon.
@@macncheez1212 Cat's out of the Bag with Intel GPU's Don't expect too much . I agree though 2 years ago a top AMD gpu cost $700 in Australia . The price has tripled now .
@@rivaxis AMD hasn't been a saviour of gpu's since the 7870 or maybe the r9 290. The ryzen chips have been great but their last 3 generations of gpu have been terrible besides the occasional value champ. Not like nvidia's much better with turing and ampere being shitshows but the way amd's sandbagged their last 2 generations in particular is intel levels of incompetence. 5700 xt having busted drivers for months and a midrange that releases way too late then rdna2 comes with worse rt performance but could've won gamers over with its efficiency if amd actually put these at a price that made sense (50 - 80 usd less across all SKU's).
Try? Try what? They're essentially selling a card for the same price and performance(sometimes lesser performance ) of a 2 year old card (5700xt). A 1080p card being sold for 380 dollars.. Wow. In case your comment was criticising amd was releasing such a useless card at such a price, then ignore my comment.
@@AJ-jq3hm, I think you missed the point. I think he's saying they didn't even try to make a good card, but they'll still probably sell every single one they can make.
yeah I bought a high refresh rate 1440p monitor. I'll play high refresh rate classic games and upgrade my entire setup later including CPU and stuff when this GPU madness stops being a thing.
OK so let me get this straight - You can get a 6600XT supposedly at MSRP which means you can get roughly RX 5700XT performance for.....RX 5700XT MSRP pricing....... That's actually a horrible move by AMD.
And don't forget that you won't probably get it for that price too... Which makes no sense at all, you're buying a 5700XT at an higher price than it was 2 years ago
Admittedly, I'm a very small minority here, but... The 5700 XT does not fit in my setup; the power consumption is slightly above what I allow. The power consumption cut on the 6600 XT is looking juicy to me. But let's be clear, the rest is shit. Should/would be cheaper in a stable market...
@@mickaelsflow6774 yeah, same as you wanted to build a low power consumption system for my cousin with 5600x + 6600xt for 1440p 60fps like 5600xt was (best price/performance card last gen), but sad the 128-bit bus makes sure 1440p is out...
@@DodgerX The time he spends testing and collating all this, look under his eyes, he sacrifices best health for us viewers, such a champ. They don't always get a lot of time for pre-review time and usually crunch hard, he's been awake a while.
@@SKHYJINX and as a matter of point, Gamer's Nexus Steve put out a 3am video on his side channel. Very late nights and very long days/nights. All their efforts should be appreciated.
The MSRP for this card is high but it's available for around £400 in the UK which is almost £200 cheaper than the 3060. It runs the FlybyWire mod on MSFS in Ultra settings at 40-50 fps, 60 celsius maximum and is as good as silent.
Thing is that pricing is very unpredictable... In my country this card can be had for the equivelent of $100 less than the base RTX 3060 which makes it a pretty sweet deal (at least for now)
Not to mention, it has the same EXACT performance(sometimes lower)for the same price compared to the 5700xt. For 20 dollars more the 3060 ti is basically killing it while offering way better RT performance.
I have the rx6600 XT mech 2x oc and it's been a really good card, it runs every game at 1080p ultra beautifully and can run games at 1440p pretty well aswell, if your not crazy over wanting the newest and most powerful card as they come out and just want premium gaming this card is a beast and is all you need
I agree. here in the uk, price for performance on the 6600xt is probably one of the best for the current situation when buying new, compared to the 5700xt which is unobtainable new pretty much. and compared to the price of the 3060 and 3060ti it is better bang for the buck, with them being priced at £500($650) and £600($780) and the 6600xt being about £400($520). for my personal use case, i chose the rx6600xt as it has a lower power consumption too, meaning i did not have to upgrade my power supply had i chosen a 3060 instead. Still getting used to it after using nvidia for about 5 or 6 years though.
@@tilapiadave3234 interesting, could maybe be a supply issue or increased tax in the UK, fortunately i didn’t pay full price any for mine because I can get VAT off because I do IT work for my dads company so I gave him the money to buy it and the VAT comes back to him in the tax return because it counts as a business expense
@The King Did you mean just performance? Or implying you think that the card needs to "support" 2k? Even a 5500XT could *theoretically* game on 1440p, provided some games were old enough or settings turned down (tbh though I've played games on much older hardware if it's 44fps and not a shooter it's not the end of the world or to turn a setting down). If it's really identical to a 5700XT it's closer to intro to 1440p. I'd say 5700XT aged a bit by now but I still consider it an intro to 1440p, depending on title, like for example I can game on a 1440p monitor and get ~60fps on Deus Ex: Mankind Divided all ultra or close to 75fps on Witcher 3. So, if the cards are that close to performance, yeah just plug it on and turn your computer on and go. Nowadays idk I'd recommend that card for 1440p though and consider something like 3060ti to be closer to the intro-to-1440p mark due to more demanding titles. It's just that when they say "1440p card" what they really mean is nearly all games can run at least 60fps on it at all ultra settings, however that's clearly a potentially specious metric in that you can just turn down some settings or be satisfied with under 60fps. Believe me I suffered on crazy frame skipping, stuttering mess with XCOM2 when it first came out and I still had older hardware because I didn't prioritize PC upgrades at the time, which was so bad it felt weird to play XCOM2 with over 60fps smoothness all ultra after having dealt with the under 60fps and stuttering for hundreds of hours. (i.e. lower your standards for better results in disappointment if you don't wish to pay more for shiny toys/business machines)
The sad thing is the 3070 Ti is better value vs the previous gen than the 6600 XT. 3070 Ti is a bit faster than the 2080 Ti while costing less (even with inflated street prices). The 6600 XT is a re-badged 5700 XT with less bandwidth on PCIe 3.0 systems, and you only save $20 at the mythical MSRP. Granted, the 5700 XT was always much better value than the 2080 TI, but the point remains.
@@Aries0098 not comparable due to the performance gap. You don't expect good value at the top end. This garbage, the 3060 and the 3050ti encapsulate everything that is wrong with this gen.
at least it doesn't suck - it's just totally pointless. This one simply sucks from technical perspective - 128bit bus like on some fuckign GT 1030 and only 8 PCIE lanes. People on PCIE 3.0 are totally fucked if they buy this GPU.
GPU is fine, prices are ridiculous..as long as a price gap exists between scalper prices and MSRP, that's free money AMD and Nvidia are missing out on...I won't be surprised if we eventually see a $600 MSRP bottom tier GPU which will become new normal pricing
@@atisbasak did you not watch the video? Even the infinity cache is so cut down that it is not enough to catch up any lost ground. It's a genuinely bad card at 380. Price it around 3060(preferably lesser) and then it becomes a good option to buy. Just buy a 3060 or 3060ti instead.
The current hardware market killed the joy of assembling your own PC entirely due to ridiculous pricing and lack of true availability. The platform that is supposed to be the most diverse and accessible became the most privileged one. Terrible.
Mainly due to the supply constraints and excess demand, simple economics. I am just angry that even as supply and demand return to normal, it will take a while longer before prices creep back down where they used to be.
"he platform that is supposed to be the most diverse and accessible " lol? when? PCs were always less accessible and more expensive than consoles. My grandmother can go buy a PS4 and play all the modern games as the devs intended it
I dont get the overly negative review given the context - this can be had for cheaper than the 3060, and it's significantly faster than that card at 1080p and more efficient to boot. Too much focus on graphics card prices from 2 years ago or Nvidia's mythical MSRPs.
Even 2 weeks after release in Europe AMD 6600 xt is cheaper than 3060. In my country is 10% cheaper when you compare cheapest versions. And you can get x16 too, so no problem with pci gen being old
@M Honestly sometimes it helps us by devaluing excellent hardware so we don't have to pay the premium that people buying memes do, i.e. paying nVidia. Me personally I'm glad I got RDNA, but the problem is, it still allows nVidia to Overton Window their way towards redefining "midrange" to be over a thousand dollars eventually, and that requires actively devaluing nVidia to about what they're worth, which in 3060's case is about $300 maybe. (yes, I'm serious. That's how far the price creep gouging re-normalized this b.s.) But it also stands to reason comparison to previous generations should be made, and that's including the pricing, so in other words talking about the complete lack of actual progress or better deals aka stagnation. I think a part of it is also reaching the quantum limits of transistor densities too though, and Alder Lake is only the beginning for expansion of die space both vertically (AMD) and horizontally (Intel). So eventually we'll see huge, absolutely massive GPU dies because quantum mechanics prevents us from making working 0.5nm process. So, there's that. All this stated yes you're absolutely right. I think the cards got shat on a bit too much considering how inefficient, juttery, power sucking, pricey$$$ and overall disappointingly uncompetitive nVidia has become in my book. They banked all their money on gimmicks and settled on proprietary raytracing and if this was any normal card launch AMD would've mopped the floor with them because of their stunningly terrible value this past gen. If there isn't any huge scalping epidemic this summer-fall then I think you're going to see nVidia's true value, which is comparable to AMD at best now, RDNA3 probably below it, possibly even losing their halo product in the process with a RX 7970XT beating the 4090ti. AMD just fucked up down the stack by greedily putting a laptop GPU on desktop and calling it 6500XT, hoping to make money while offering gamers more options but just looked bad, even though nVidia looked no better to me by shoveling future e-waste and diverting all those GPUs directly to miners.
@@rodovanra6783 that's what we thought about the CPU market not to long ago. Then AMD released a market changing chip and forced competitive technologies and pricing. All we needed for that to happen in the GPU space is a new competitor. And as odd as it may seem, the midrange and budget market might be saved by Intel.
Same performance as the 5700xt and it’s “MSRP” is basically $20 less. Nice step forward AMD Edit: yes I’m aware in some instances it’s even slower than the 5700xt. My bad
Appreciate the perspective using PciE 3 results, where you really expect a lower end card to be used. Would like to see more 1440p price per frame since that is more the current trends
This goes for all gpu sellers/retailers/manufacturers right now. "They will drop the prices, when they have to" People are buying at inflated prices. So...... no need to drop prices
Dunno about the US, but here in Germany cards are all available even tho prices have gone down. So it seems people are not buying them rn. The 3060 is ~550€, the Ti version starts at 639€. All in stock, so they don't seem to sell like hot cakes.
The only "people" buying up all the gpu's at inflated prices are Scalper bots. I went to visit a friend recently and they had a micro center in their town. I saw shelves and shelves of AMD's 6000 lineup but at prices that rival scalper listings on ebay so they were just sitting there to the point where many of the boxes had dust on them. The market is being stubborn and not returning to normal and all you have left with real consumers buying at these bloated prices are now the few remaining people with more money than brain cells.
I believe prices will only start going down when shelves are getting filled, warehouses becoming full and retailers are not taking any more order from distributors
@@professionalinsultant3206 Yes I did. Very interesting information. I guess will have to wait to see what happens. If they don't sell those stock on the shelves.... Then they won't order anymore from distributors.... Then the manufacturers then know they have to cut prices to shift units etc.
The sad part is that there are a lot of us that are stuck on 4GB cards that are generally decent but that vRAM is getting tight for certain games. I am sure they all know this and between the DAG for Ethereum being almost 6GB and a lot of games really needing 8GB for higher settings enabled, they ALL have us between a rock and a hard place.
yah dude, i'm still stuck on my GTX 970 bro. lol I'm still waiting this storm out. What's funny is I was going to upgrade when the RX 6000 series came out, but here we are. in a world where 2.5x the cost is the norm. this shit is mindblowing. the cost of a GPU is the cost of a full system. Guess i'll come back to the reviews in 2023 and see if anything has changed.
Inflation isn't going away anytime soon. Manufacturing cost are much higher than 2019 and 2022 doesn't look more promising. The cost of essential materials are up as much as 50%. The only slither of hope is that the demand for GPUs might lower once ethereum goes proof of stake... but there are plenty of other profitable coins to mine with a GPU. So if price gouging due to supply can go down that will be a good first step, but don't expect MSRP for current or new product (including next gen) to drop.
Twiddling my thumbs with a GTX 960 sitting in the same case as a 5900X waiting for GPU to come back from insanity. Expecting to wait until mid-2022 at this rate...
Hilarious now the "$380" (really $700) card is advertised as a 1080p gaming card where my R9 380 ($200) box says 1440p gaming. Oh did I say hilarious? I meant depressing.
@@NeVErseeNMeLikEDis I didn't mean to imply otherwise. It's just the baseline of performance has now skyrocketed in price due to the crypto boom and supply shortages. I'm talking about titles contemporaneous to each card. That's all I meant to say.
@@gmt1 ofc they do not have when they sucks, but from AM4 B550 as low end for 95$ and higher you get support for PCle gen 4 support with non VRM heat sinks so oc cpu will not be so good and will limit oc. no one from AM4 A520 have support for 4.0 they just support old and can not oc cpu thats why they sucks. over intel side xD you need a mb can oc I think Z590 B560 and H510 have support for gen 4.0.
@@gmt1 my gigabyte b550 aorus pro good as a high end as oc and I get up to 5.0Ghz oc all cores stable for my 5600X and I go back to 4.8Ghz for lower temp and more life spin becuze my gtx 770_4gb tilt my PC and I sold my rx vega 56 for 250 bucks and AM4 x470 + r5-2600 for 300 bucks to buy r5-5600x and gigabyte b550 aorus pro in realise date xD
@@Oozaru85 On germany RTX 3060 is 650 euros on amazon and rx 6600 is about 500 euros or less, so doesn't make sense to pay less for better performance. OK bro 😂😂😂 Have a good one.
@@Amigow0w Goahead and by your overpriced 6600 XT. That card is already overpriced at its MSRP. I'll rather wait until I get the 3060 Ti for 450€, than buy a weaker AMD card for the same price now.
I really wish i went for that instead of a 5600XT but I convinced myself I didn't need a 1440p card. I ended up buying a 1440p screen so I'm kicking myself now.
@@helldatrev don't worry,sooner or later u will be able to get a better gpu for a better price,this generation is a flop,but the next one is slowly coming,just hold out till then
@@mrfaern well actually the whole point of generational improvement is to get more performance for the same money,the names are just there to make it look better,if the 6700 xt costed also 400 dollars i would agree but since the 6600 xt costs almost 400 dollars it represents the generational improvement at that price point so for two years to get the same performance for the same money is just sad
this did not age well, this card performs like a champ, and easily matches rtx 3060 and some cases even beats it. im not a fanboy of either, but AMD finally made some GPU's that can compete with Nvidia now. i tend to prefer Nvidia mainly cause im used to there setup, but healthy competition is a win for consumers. the only problem is price.
He's not predicting the future, he's showing you what it is at the time, if not for honest reviews like this, AMD / NVIDA wouldn't bother fixing drivers to address issues.
Wait... is it just a 5700XT refresh? XD The only redeeming Feature it seems like is the fact, that it has a 65W lower TDP... 225W vs 160W. The 3060Ti has a TDP of 200W, but also a lot more performance.
TDP doesn't mean much. You can run 3060ti at 150W and it'll still be a lot faster than this card considering how much faster it is at stock. ofc assuming both cards are available at MSRP
You have your baselines for the percentage difference mixed up in Doom Eternal @17:15 - The 3060 Ti doesn't lose 92% of its performance when enabling RT, but rather 48%. You could also say it's 92% faster with RT off than with RT on, I guess.
It's amazing how before this generation I was excited about hardware. Nowadays I loathe hearing about hardware, how they cut down hardware and pass it on as the best thing since sliced bread when in fact it's sh-t. As always, Hardware Unboxed comes out with an honest review which viewers can know what bad hardware AMD/Nvidia are feeding us.
Reactions from: RX 5700 XT owners : Insert - spiderman pointing at spiderman.jpg meme RTX 3060 Ti owners: Insert - Evil Peter dancing on the street.gif meme RTX 2070 Super enjoyers : Insert - Spiderman villains, me and the boys hanging out.jpg meme
@@niks660097 14:32 I'm just going by the performance charts shown. Did you see the video? Most reviewers seems to coincide this is pretty much just another 5700xt. Shrug.
Comparing MSRP to older models is not apples to apples these days, because of all the inflation in the last 2 years. if we assume that prices were 20% lower than it was 2 years ago, than a $380 GPU today is equal in pricing to a $300 GPU 2 years ago. Considering this, It's not a bad release, It will be if there is no availability like other GPUs released this year.
Remember, this is a RX 470 replacement with die size and shader count. And at more than double the price. Gotta love it. This goes to show that PC gamers can't just not buy something and force prices down and send a message. All semiconductor companies will abuse price when they can
But the Polaris GPU cards were being sold for more than $400 new this summer. Like it or not there are supply shortages and rising prices for all kinds of components.
10% less overall performance than 3060 TI in FHD but 36% cheaper at this moment in Brazil ... good deal ... In the Aliexpress the price difference is about 45% April 22
I'm proud to see the mid-range gamers not participating in buying cards with these ridiculous prices, you guys are the true heroes. A real buyer, it's patient by nature.
I'm living in constant fear that one day my 1080Ti will break. I'm going to need another generation to tick over, especially if the "less for more" pricing reality is here to stay.
I'd still have my old system with a 760 in it, in case something goes wrong with my 2060. I know a lot of people were kind of dismissing that card when it came out (because it was the weakest in terms of the ray tracing and the 6gb of VRAM), but it has been a really solid 1440p card so far and at the time (at least where I live) it was a better value than its competitors. a 1070 which is slower cost 50 bucks more and a 1070ti was like 100 - 150 bucks more. Same for the RX Vega 56. And we've now even come to the point where the equivalent 2060 card costs 150+ bucks more when you buy them used... Honestly I think I was kind of lucky buying that 2060 when it came out. The fact that people were a bit dismissive and sceptical about it, left it less impacted by the insane prices that were even happening (2,5 years) back then. So, yeah I feel ya, I'm really trying to take good care of it, because I don't want to miss a GPU like this right now.
In not living in fear that my GTX 1080 will die, I would obviously prefer it didn't with the current market though, as purchasing a new card with current pricing would not feel good.
Mate I'm doing parametric architecture and high end complex 3d modelling and rendering on a 1060 6gb while being poor as shit, you are more than great.
Wow there goes my idea to use one of these in a 6700K system until I found it necessary to upgrade. Thanks AMD I think you just unfortunately lost a customer... And I was really hoping to not have to go back to Nvidia.
amd will sell all their cards for 600-800$ to miners, man, they know already whats up hence the terrible msrp price, till crypto boom is done no good priced cards for gamers, 1,5-2x msrp at the least
@@6utS 6600XT for mining will suck balls, also AMD atleast tries to sell gpu's on their website not once a year like Nvidia. To be fair, if you watch a single video which is a review of a mediocre product and decide that a brand don't deserve your money you are just fucked up. Considering all Shit products everyone makes ( intel nvidia, amd and future players) we should buy nothing at this point to not be stupid hypocrites.
This guy just wanted some attention and he already decided that he didnt want to buy AMD or he is simply an hypocrite/ child, and this could be the same under an nvidia product review.
@@justetan3566 all i can tell u prices from my country(poland), they are close or at 2x msrp, be it nvidia or amd, no gamers buy at those prices, miners do tho, and continuesly coz for every 100 gpu's they buy at 2x msrp(at some point it was 3x msrp;p) they make more and more cash to buy even more gpu's again at crazy high price, no gamer can compete except superhigh end enthusiast with close to or unlimited budget who just wants to have best thing no matter the money he spends. U can see that from recent steamsurvey where 3090 has higher %userbase vs many lower end cards.
@@6utS in aware of that but the 6600XT is probably a waste of time and energy for most miners, and if they are desperate for a new rig it means they are just casuals and not serious miners. I could be totaly wrong but I'm sure you can get better mining gpus for less money than a 600 dollars 6600XT.
even at MSRP, ridiculous vs previous generations. consider that the rx 480/580 has 256GB/s bandwidth as this which is more than 5 years ago. back then performance increase of around 2x can be had in at least 2-3 years for almost the same price, paying a bit more for inflation and better external parts.
$380 😂😂😂🤡🤡🤡 Nobody should buy it. Maybe then they will lower the price to what it's actually worth. Based off this performance, $300 would be pushing it, imo.
People buy 3060 at $600 to $700… and this is cheaper. This has best bang for the buck as unbelieveable as it sounds… the gpu market is and has been crasy!
this generation of gpus are a serious waste of money and an even greater waste of effort to attain. all for ray traced reflections in crappy games like watch dogs legion and CP2077
@@drunkhusband6257, because the 3080Ti is a joke for what it is and the price. The 3090 makes a lot more sense in terms of performance and price (talking MSRP, not fake, inflated current prices). If they had done 16GB, or even 20GB, of VRAM, than it *might* have made sense but they released it with a measly 12GB 😒 I also believe the 3090 has a lot more practical life out of it versus lower level cards since games are only becoming more demanding. On top of all of that, the 3090 handles 3D rendering a lot better.
@@drunkhusband6257, based on the current PC world, I highly doubt it. I’ve come to realize most PC builders are cheap and hardly like to upgrade. I’m not saying games will require all 24GB but having it available is nice since I do other work besides gaming. For most, a 3080 is enough but I prefer to overbuild and plan ahead. It was also my first ever PC build so I went all out and didn’t have a budget for anything. Most can’t do that but I wanted something I won’t have to upgrade for at least 3 years.
@@drunkhusband6257, how? The Ti and 3090 are only a $300 difference. That’s why they make no sense. Having said that, my specific 3090 has a $2,500 MSRP, so that’s a totally different situation.
Who the hell is running AMD's GPU department?! They finally *almost* catch up to nvidia and so they suddenly think they can rest on their laurels and stop trying to meaningfully gain market share or properly compete.
Na, they gave us the 200$ RX 480 and people bought Nvidia (even when they gave gtx 970+ performance that was at 320+ down to 200$) Remember that they were the ones that put that 200$ tag of mid cards in the first place, not their issue that fanboys buy Nvidia cards no matter how better the competition is. Kudos to Nvidia marketing team tho, they sure do know how to train their sheeps.
@@gabrielst527 People don't buy their cards thanks to their shitty drivers, lol. Nvidia still is better in every aspect. Deal with it. AMD was never an option to me, since I always had driver issues with their cards. Never with Nvidia tho. So yeah, AMD can shove their overpriced crap up where the sun doesn't shine. Now people have even more reasons to not buy their cards, with these ridiculous prices.
except this underwhelming card ticks all the boxes for OEM builders of RGB blinged out, 'HIGH END MONSTER GAMING PC' in poorly ventilated case with 1 stick of ram.
Honestly, RX6600XT was the best valu GPU of this gen ... The best for what you get for the price you paid ... cost less than a RTX3060 (who was never sell at his msrp ! In France it cost 100 to 200 euro more than the 6600XT ! A real shame !) and was more efficient and more powerfull in rasterisation. I never understand why this GPU haved so many bad review (when 3060 have only good review). It's stay a great 1080p60 Ultra GPU card ...
Not at all, far from it. AMD priced them high to take advantage of the current semiconductor shortage when all GPUs are being sold at inflated prices. MSRP actually has no value.
@@rubenventer5495 RTX 3060 is also overpriced for what it is. RX 6600 XT is 15% faster and 15% more expensive. So it's actually a good value for mone, compared to the RTX 3060 of course. And these days it's very difficult to get a graphics card at MSRP. Semiconductor shortage and scalping have driven up prices significantly.
@@atisbasak Overpriced? The pricing is similar to a 3060Ti which is much better. The performance is not 15% across the board. Selective hearing it seems. Tell me you're an AMD fanboy without telling me you're an AMD fanboy. It's garbage mate. For 20 dollars more you get a much better card. The 3060 looks like an absolute great budget card compared to the 6600XT. The bandwidth wheels come off at 1440p and with DLSS the 3060 will look better and have more frames. Even with its 12GB Ram it will probably be even fine at 4K thanks to DLSS. In a world where the 6600XT didn't exist, sure the 3060 doesn't look all that great but in a world that the 6600XT does? The 3060 looks like a much better investment. AMD sponsored titles are nothing to go by as they are pretty garbage games in any case. This card is horrible. 5700XT performance? And you can arguably get a 5700XT for a lot cheaper?. The 5700XT was advertised as a 1440p gaming card and it still manages to do that even outperforming the 6600XT there?. Wtf. I struggle to understand the logic behind this. Rather refrain from commenting stuff that makes absolutely no sense from a buyers POV.
@@rubenventer5495 Compared to the 3060 Ti, the 6600 XT might be a worse value but the 6600 XT is better than 3060 as it has better performance and consumes less power. It also is a good value for the money relative to the 3060. On average, it performs around 15-20% better than the 3060. As for the 3060 Ti, it's a different story. RX 6600 XT has ray tracing and FSR upscaling that works quite well, especially for the first generation and it will gradually improve over time just like Nvidia's ray tracing and DLSS has. Going by MSRP, RX 6600 XT is more affordable than RX 5700 XT, performs better and consumes much less power. It also has advanced features like ray tracing and variable rate shading. It is marketed as a high frame rate 1080p gaming and can also get good frame rates at 1440p.
This gpu is so cut down and AMD is making huge margins at this price. It has less CUs than it's predecessor (in naming) 5600XT, less TMUs, a smaller memory bus (128-bit was last used on the RX 5500XT which had an MSRP of 169 USD and before that the RX 560 at 99USD! Both were entry level gpus.) and when games at 1080p will inevitably start maxing out that VRAM it performs like a 5700 NON XT (as shown by the 4K results). This gpu is most probably very cheap to make and this price is absolutely ridiculous.
I mean, it is very close? The 2080 never was this insane jump from a 5700XT, maybe 10%? I Had the 2070S and it was already close enough to the 2080, while the 5700XT i bought after selling the 2070S was basically the same performance overall.
@@justetan3566 naw I can't give it any benefits of the doubt. This card should kill 1080p the way the 6700XT kill 1440p. The 6700XT is 30% faster and this thing will probably retail at $600+ when you can get a brand new 6700XT for $750. AMD killed this card before it even came out
@@Anukinihun Im not saying it's good, i just wrote a reply of what you said. This card honestly should be bought only if you are desperate, i can understand the poor 1440p performance due to memory contraints but all the rest just has little to no excuses for this price point.
@@justetan3566 ohhh yeah I wasn't coming after you, it's just frustrating that this card is so bad. I'm a pc builder and I was selling my clients on getting this card now I don't know what to tell them. Hopefully in a few weeks this card get flooded on Ebay and the price crashes like the 6700XT.
The PCIE x8 decision is truly baffling. What in the world were they thinking!?! So in order to get 100% of the 6600xt's potential I have to upgrade my entire system to a PCIE 4.0 system? That's crazy town. Good luck out there AMD, you'll need it.
hey, if you're spending $400 on a budget graphics card you might as well spend $300 on a budget cpu and $200 on a budget motherboard to go along with it. welcome to backwardslandia
the 3060 Ti where I'm from, is 200 dollars more than the 6600 xt. Hell, even the 3060 is more expensive than this GPU. I think I'm gonna go for it since I game mostly on 1080p.
Right lol. But now, 5700xt doesn't even have driver issues anymore. Got mine about a year ago and its been smooth sailing. The 6600xt is definitely a product of the great shortage and in normal times it would be priced $300 or less.
Sad, that that real world pricing only made it in a foot note, because you are right, here in Germany I can buy a 6600XT for 500€ or a 3060 for 600€. The MSRP might be bad, but that means nothing these days.
I'd love to have a card like that, my GTX 970 is struggling and I can't get any card at a reasonable price unless I try the lottery at amd.com, the 6600 XT has also this problem with PCI 3.0 and can you guess what PCI-E do I have? yes, only PCI 3.0 lol Have fun with that card! :)
They had a great chance to win over a lot of gamers with this card. Unfortunately, as always, nobody has the interest of their customers and their greed is putting a shade on them after the success with the processors.
The 6700xt had an MSRP of $480. You can go buy one on Newegg right now for $900(from Newegg). I expect the markup to be similar for these cards, so expect to pay $600 or more
"They expect models to be available at MSRP and that there's pretty good supply"
Oh boy, where have I heard this one before.
If it has shit hashrate, it's still much better than the RX 5700 XT because that one is probably the best GPU for ETH right now
That line is for the scalpers and bots.......NOT for "actual consumers".
I still wonder it that guy over the twitter got his 10$ from that "bet".
So glad to see that my 5700xt nitro+ can still kick ass
they expect us to be able to buy them... they should not expect us to be WILLING to buy them tho
Remember almost a year ago when we were excited about new GPU's? How naive and stupid we were.
Guess i'm sticking with this 1080ti for another however many years - everyone mocked it's price when it came out, but it's turned out to be a real workhorse
You were, not we.
Yeah, it's almost like hindsight is always 20/20...
God you guys suck.
@@Orcawhale1 my hind sight is 10/20
im sticking with my gtx 770 a little longer it seems lool
1-year on and this card now represents pretty good value as its price has dropped significantly while the 3060ti is still way over MSRP.
Yeah. I came here to see why people didn't like this card back when it released (at the time i just heard it was bad, but not why it was bad) since i got one for around $225 and i'm pretty happy with it, but oh boy, i'd never pay more than 300 dollars on this one. Good lord, AMD, what were you thinking?
Also the 5700 and 5700 XT represent even more value for way below 200 bucks.
6600xt is sold at 3050's price and it performs almost like 3060 Ti and you call it worse lol :D
THAT GUY HATES AMD PROGRESS
if you ever dont have enough time to watch a full hardware unboxed review, always always always listen to the "final thoughts" section. very helpful stuff.
Only part I have the motivation to watch with the current situation :(
@@squelchedotter 😂
yep, definitely worth it.
I usually do that first and then if I had the time I rewatch the full duration.
@@hadifelani just watch it in 2x speed lol and slow it down as required.
GPU generational increases are now measured in currency instead of frames per second. SAD!
Because if you are stupid to compare GTX 1080 to RTX 2080.... when price was same as GTX 1080ti.
Price and performance is only thing you should look, not names, or u get in trap of marketing.
@@m_sedziwoj why do you need to throw an insult in there, you're just regurgitating information. Also he said FRAMES.
@@Fractal_blip he said "instead of fps", maybe I have different dictionary.
@@m_sedziwoj he meant 5700xt vs 6600xt.
They should be measured in frames per dollar. I have no problem with only reducing currency requirements as long as they're not jacking prices to the moon. I can keep my 5700xt a few more years. It's fast enough.
"mid-range $400 card with x8 lanes, that struggles in 1440p"
something is dripping. I guess, that is your spittle on my face, AMD.
I agree. What is this 2007? They can eat something and die in my wallets view. I can't wait till Intel brings there GPU to the market. Also TSMC is getting back on track with no water shortage anymore so we should see some massive price drops come January. Also China crypto mining cards hitting the market. It will bomb MSRP soon.
I laugh now, because not long ago AMD was "the savior" :D
@@macncheez1212 Cat's out of the Bag with Intel GPU's Don't expect too much . I agree though 2 years ago a top AMD gpu cost $700 in Australia . The price has tripled now .
@@rivaxis AMD hasn't been a saviour of gpu's since the 7870 or maybe the r9 290. The ryzen chips have been great but their last 3 generations of gpu have been terrible besides the occasional value champ. Not like nvidia's much better with turing and ampere being shitshows but the way amd's sandbagged their last 2 generations in particular is intel levels of incompetence. 5700 xt having busted drivers for months and a midrange that releases way too late then rdna2 comes with worse rt performance but could've won gamers over with its efficiency if amd actually put these at a price that made sense (50 - 80 usd less across all SKU's).
@@Gadtkaz it was a joke, calm down
I know the component pricing has gone up but look at those profit figures too! Both AMD and Nvidia are making a killing while gamers get screwed.
We don't even have to try
Signed AMD.
Try? Try what? They're essentially selling a card for the same price and performance(sometimes lesser performance ) of a 2 year old card (5700xt). A 1080p card being sold for 380 dollars.. Wow.
In case your comment was criticising amd was releasing such a useless card at such a price, then ignore my comment.
@@AJ-jq3hm, I think you missed the point. I think he's saying they didn't even try to make a good card, but they'll still probably sell every single one they can make.
@@AJ-jq3hm LMFAO I HAVE NEVER SEEM SOMEONE MISS THE JOKE THIS HARD 😂😂😂
@@GoodGamer3000 yeah I guess I did. 3am brain and endless anger towards this whole gpu shortage situation.
If 6600xt will be 500$ AUD and RtX 3060. 1k. Than we can say and tried.
Already gave up trying to buy a gpu and invested in a bike. Hopefully gpu prices come down to msrp levels before winter.
I am not expecting prices to come down till Q1 2022. Lots of holiday shoppers around winter.
yeah I bought a high refresh rate 1440p monitor. I'll play high refresh rate classic games and upgrade my entire setup later including CPU and stuff when this GPU madness stops being a thing.
I like a nice bike. That was probably a wise choice.
I did the same back in April. Wise choice my friend, as you will get more out of a decently priced bike than an overpriced GPU.
I bought rog 5 instead, its even cheaper than this gpu lol
1 year later, price go down and boom the FSR 2.1 equal to DLSS 2.0 performance.. yeaah rx6600xt is a beast
yes , IT REALLY LOOKS VERY GOOD
what company version of rx 6600 you guy bought ?
msi , asus , gigabyte... ????
@@ITX635 power color red devil
@@ITX635 gigabyte eagle,
@@luigigoomba7870 wow bruh getting a reply after a whole year 😂 i guess that helped 🤭
This didn't age well at all.
OK so let me get this straight -
You can get a 6600XT supposedly at MSRP which means you can get roughly RX 5700XT performance for.....RX 5700XT MSRP pricing.......
That's actually a horrible move by AMD.
And don't forget that you won't probably get it for that price too... Which makes no sense at all, you're buying a 5700XT at an higher price than it was 2 years ago
If... you can buy it. This year is sad year for gamers
Admittedly, I'm a very small minority here, but... The 5700 XT does not fit in my setup; the power consumption is slightly above what I allow. The power consumption cut on the 6600 XT is looking juicy to me.
But let's be clear, the rest is shit. Should/would be cheaper in a stable market...
@@mickaelsflow6774 yeah, same as you wanted to build a low power consumption system for my cousin with 5600x + 6600xt for 1440p 60fps like 5600xt was (best price/performance card last gen), but sad the 128-bit bus makes sure 1440p is out...
Tariffs, materials/supply crunch, and crypto boom. 5700XT made today would cost more than 6700XT.
Thanks Steve, wish ya a quick recovery, appreciate the time spent.
What happened to him
@@DodgerX The time he spends testing and collating all this, look under his eyes, he sacrifices best health for us viewers, such a champ.
They don't always get a lot of time for pre-review time and usually crunch hard, he's been awake a while.
@@SKHYJINX and as a matter of point, Gamer's Nexus Steve put out a 3am video on his side channel. Very late nights and very long days/nights. All their efforts should be appreciated.
Thanks (Hardware Unboxed) Steve.
Back to you, (Gamers Nexus) Steve.
Steve Jobs lives in heaven.
The MSRP for this card is high but it's available for around £400 in the UK which is almost £200 cheaper than the 3060. It runs the FlybyWire mod on MSFS in Ultra settings at 40-50 fps, 60 celsius maximum and is as good as silent.
How about high settings?
Thing is that pricing is very unpredictable... In my country this card can be had for the equivelent of $100 less than the base RTX 3060 which makes it a pretty sweet deal (at least for now)
(al menos por ahora)
Wait, so 2 years ago, they were advertising their $400 gpu as being for 1440p gaming but today's $400 gpu is designed for 1080p? Progress! Well done!
60fps vs 120 fps. Get some brain.
@@K.R.X no swag no swag
Not to mention, it has the same EXACT performance(sometimes lower)for the same price compared to the 5700xt.
For 20 dollars more the 3060 ti is basically killing it while offering way better RT performance.
@@AJ-jq3hm what do you mean by 20$ dollar? The cheapest gpu you can buy is 100% more expensive than what the **Number** they gave.
@@scaryonline I'm talking about the MSRP here.. And it's not like you can get the 6600xt at its MSRP either.
It feels like the 6600XT was meant to be $250
Lol no. $300 would be fair
@@OrjonZ No fam. It wouldnt be. Dont let last gen fool you.
@@OrjonZ $275. Now both of you relax.
@@OrjonZ Yeah 299-329 would've been fine
It would definitely not be 380 if there wasn't a shortage
But Can It Be Saved?
Yes, for a half price.
I have the rx6600 XT mech 2x oc and it's been a really good card, it runs every game at 1080p ultra beautifully and can run games at 1440p pretty well aswell, if your not crazy over wanting the newest and most powerful card as they come out and just want premium gaming this card is a beast and is all you need
I agree. here in the uk, price for performance on the 6600xt is probably one of the best for the current situation when buying new, compared to the 5700xt which is unobtainable new pretty much. and compared to the price of the 3060 and 3060ti it is better bang for the buck, with them being priced at £500($650) and £600($780) and the 6600xt being about £400($520). for my personal use case, i chose the rx6600xt as it has a lower power consumption too, meaning i did not have to upgrade my power supply had i chosen a 3060 instead. Still getting used to it after using nvidia for about 5 or 6 years though.
@@tilapiadave3234 6600xt is still £400 in uk, 6600 (non xt) is much more affordable now
@@tilapiadave3234 interesting, could maybe be a supply issue or increased tax in the UK, fortunately i didn’t pay full price any for mine because I can get VAT off because I do IT work for my dads company so I gave him the money to buy it and the VAT comes back to him in the tax return because it counts as a business expense
@@tilapiadave3234 that’s brilliant hopefully your business grows from now
@The King Did you mean just performance? Or implying you think that the card needs to "support" 2k? Even a 5500XT could *theoretically* game on 1440p, provided some games were old enough or settings turned down (tbh though I've played games on much older hardware if it's 44fps and not a shooter it's not the end of the world or to turn a setting down). If it's really identical to a 5700XT it's closer to intro to 1440p. I'd say 5700XT aged a bit by now but I still consider it an intro to 1440p, depending on title, like for example I can game on a 1440p monitor and get ~60fps on Deus Ex: Mankind Divided all ultra or close to 75fps on Witcher 3. So, if the cards are that close to performance, yeah just plug it on and turn your computer on and go.
Nowadays idk I'd recommend that card for 1440p though and consider something like 3060ti to be closer to the intro-to-1440p mark due to more demanding titles. It's just that when they say "1440p card" what they really mean is nearly all games can run at least 60fps on it at all ultra settings, however that's clearly a potentially specious metric in that you can just turn down some settings or be satisfied with under 60fps. Believe me I suffered on crazy frame skipping, stuttering mess with XCOM2 when it first came out and I still had older hardware because I didn't prioritize PC upgrades at the time, which was so bad it felt weird to play XCOM2 with over 60fps smoothness all ultra after having dealt with the under 60fps and stuttering for hundreds of hours. (i.e. lower your standards for better results in disappointment if you don't wish to pay more for shiny toys/business machines)
This GPU is probably the worst release of this gen which is saying something lol, only the 3070 ti is dumber
Or is it the 3080 ti? I mean, the VRAM amount is pretty disappointing too.
The sad thing is the 3070 Ti is better value vs the previous gen than the 6600 XT. 3070 Ti is a bit faster than the 2080 Ti while costing less (even with inflated street prices). The 6600 XT is a re-badged 5700 XT with less bandwidth on PCIe 3.0 systems, and you only save $20 at the mythical MSRP. Granted, the 5700 XT was always much better value than the 2080 TI, but the point remains.
@@Aries0098 not comparable due to the performance gap. You don't expect good value at the top end. This garbage, the 3060 and the 3050ti encapsulate everything that is wrong with this gen.
In what world is this the "worst" release? This card is litterally going to sell like hotcakes.
at least it doesn't suck - it's just totally pointless. This one simply sucks from technical perspective - 128bit bus like on some fuckign GT 1030 and only 8 PCIE lanes. People on PCIE 3.0 are totally fucked if they buy this GPU.
So basically they made a card to take advantage of the current situation
GPU is fine, prices are ridiculous..as long as a price gap exists between scalper prices and MSRP, that's free money AMD and Nvidia are missing out on...I won't be surprised if we eventually see a $600 MSRP bottom tier GPU which will become new normal pricing
@@alistairblaire6001 A 128 bit bus is not ok on any card regardless of price.
@@bobert866 AMD has narrower bus and less memory bandwidth to reduce power consumption without being bandwidth starved because of the Infinity Cache.
@@atisbasak did you not watch the video? Even the infinity cache is so cut down that it is not enough to catch up any lost ground. It's a genuinely bad card at 380. Price it around 3060(preferably lesser) and then it becomes a good option to buy. Just buy a 3060 or 3060ti instead.
@@yomamasohot6411 RTX 3060 is about as bad as RX 6600 XT when it comes to value for money. RTX 3060 Ti isa better value.
The current hardware market killed the joy of assembling your own PC entirely due to ridiculous pricing and lack of true availability. The platform that is supposed to be the most diverse and accessible became the most privileged one. Terrible.
Yes I agree, it's pretty pointless if you're starting from scratch
Mainly due to the supply constraints and excess demand, simple economics. I am just angry that even as supply and demand return to normal, it will take a while longer before prices creep back down where they used to be.
"he platform that is supposed to be the most diverse and accessible " lol? when? PCs were always less accessible and more expensive than consoles. My grandmother can go buy a PS4 and play all the modern games as the devs intended it
I dont get the overly negative review given the context - this can be had for cheaper than the 3060, and it's significantly faster than that card at 1080p and more efficient to boot. Too much focus on graphics card prices from 2 years ago or Nvidia's mythical MSRPs.
I bought this for 499 when 3060 is 699. It is great value in this market
Even 2 weeks after release in Europe AMD 6600 xt is cheaper than 3060. In my country is 10% cheaper when you compare cheapest versions. And you can get x16 too, so no problem with pci gen being old
@M Honestly sometimes it helps us by devaluing excellent hardware so we don't have to pay the premium that people buying memes do, i.e. paying nVidia. Me personally I'm glad I got RDNA, but the problem is, it still allows nVidia to Overton Window their way towards redefining "midrange" to be over a thousand dollars eventually, and that requires actively devaluing nVidia to about what they're worth, which in 3060's case is about $300 maybe. (yes, I'm serious. That's how far the price creep gouging re-normalized this b.s.)
But it also stands to reason comparison to previous generations should be made, and that's including the pricing, so in other words talking about the complete lack of actual progress or better deals aka stagnation. I think a part of it is also reaching the quantum limits of transistor densities too though, and Alder Lake is only the beginning for expansion of die space both vertically (AMD) and horizontally (Intel). So eventually we'll see huge, absolutely massive GPU dies because quantum mechanics prevents us from making working 0.5nm process. So, there's that.
All this stated yes you're absolutely right. I think the cards got shat on a bit too much considering how inefficient, juttery, power sucking, pricey$$$ and overall disappointingly uncompetitive nVidia has become in my book. They banked all their money on gimmicks and settled on proprietary raytracing and if this was any normal card launch AMD would've mopped the floor with them because of their stunningly terrible value this past gen. If there isn't any huge scalping epidemic this summer-fall then I think you're going to see nVidia's true value, which is comparable to AMD at best now, RDNA3 probably below it, possibly even losing their halo product in the process with a RX 7970XT beating the 4090ti.
AMD just fucked up down the stack by greedily putting a laptop GPU on desktop and calling it 6500XT, hoping to make money while offering gamers more options but just looked bad, even though nVidia looked no better to me by shoveling future e-waste and diverting all those GPUs directly to miners.
It's a sellers market right now. Hope it goes back to being a buyers market sometime soon.
That will never happen, never.
@@rodovanra6783 that's what we thought about the CPU market not to long ago. Then AMD released a market changing chip and forced competitive technologies and pricing. All we needed for that to happen in the GPU space is a new competitor. And as odd as it may seem, the midrange and budget market might be saved by Intel.
@@orusandornots1915 Who in the next 4 years will release a "RTX 3060TI / 6700XT class GPU for under 600€ MSRP or a 1440p class card for
@@rodovanra6783 It will always happen. Its a cyclical process.
@LunarVVolf 🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯
Disappointment ...paying almost 400 for a 1080p Card AMD is taking the Piss
600+ actually, this thing gonna be more expensive from 3060 lhr which arent below 600usd, so 650-700 usd will be normal price miners pay for it
you can allways get 3060ti for 800 euro
better to go on a 3060 which is normally cheaper
@@wembleyyy Nah, it's ~700€, at least here in Germany. Cheapest one is 639€ rn.
you are paying 400 bucks for a rebranded 5700 xt.
Well this video aged well. 6600xt over the month became the best budget 1080p card 😂😂 Glad that i got it close to msrp
@@tilapiadave3234 original msrp was 380$ where did you find a deal below 380$ ?
cost per frame sure is "$US" this time
🤣😭😭
AMD speedrunning the "losing fan good-will" world record
Its actually cheaper on cost per frame to just go with Nvidia... So what's the point of AMD GPUs
I know right? AMD: "We're finally back in the game! Consumer love us again ....suckers"
This would be fine at 300. But 380 is outrageous. And it won't even cost 380 btw lmao.
nobody bought AMD cards back then... now they are forced to buy them.... so why would AMD care about non existent consumer loyalty?
@@shaydza How is NVIDIA cheaper, can you get a card for MSRP right now? RTX 3060 for $800-850 USD right now on Newegg 🤣
Same performance as the 5700xt and it’s “MSRP” is basically $20 less. Nice step forward AMD
Edit: yes I’m aware in some instances it’s even slower than the 5700xt. My bad
god damn, I usually suck in decision making but I hit a jackpot when i bought it in 2019
@@frickzjee Same here
@@frickzjee you can also sell 5700xt and buy 6700xt without additional payment or a small one, which I'm doing right now.
@@frickzjee Yeah, same. 220 euro gtx 1660 super feels comfy rn
@@frickzjee sell your 5700xt and buy a brand new 6700XT and you will still have $100 in your pockets
i have a strong feeling that 6600xt should stand against 3060 in those charts coz of real prices. msrp doesnt exist for end user atm
its equal in performance but MUCH MORE cheap
DOA at that MSRP
Appreciate the perspective using PciE 3 results, where you really expect a lower end card to be used. Would like to see more 1440p price per frame since that is more the current trends
Should enable SAM feature in the same test to check if that helps also.
This goes for all gpu sellers/retailers/manufacturers right now. "They will drop the prices, when they have to"
People are buying at inflated prices. So...... no need to drop prices
Dunno about the US, but here in Germany cards are all available even tho prices have gone down. So it seems people are not buying them rn. The 3060 is ~550€, the Ti version starts at 639€. All in stock, so they don't seem to sell like hot cakes.
The only "people" buying up all the gpu's at inflated prices are Scalper bots. I went to visit a friend recently and they had a micro center in their town. I saw shelves and shelves of AMD's 6000 lineup but at prices that rival scalper listings on ebay so they were just sitting there to the point where many of the boxes had dust on them.
The market is being stubborn and not returning to normal and all you have left with real consumers buying at these bloated prices are now the few remaining people with more money than brain cells.
I believe prices will only start going down when shelves are getting filled, warehouses becoming full and retailers are not taking any more order from distributors
@@LionRafale did you read what Adromelk wrote?
@@professionalinsultant3206 Yes I did. Very interesting information. I guess will have to wait to see what happens. If they don't sell those stock on the shelves.... Then they won't order anymore from distributors.... Then the manufacturers then know they have to cut prices to shift units etc.
The sad part is that there are a lot of us that are stuck on 4GB cards that are generally decent but that vRAM is getting tight for certain games. I am sure they all know this and between the DAG for Ethereum being almost 6GB and a lot of games really needing 8GB for higher settings enabled, they ALL have us between a rock and a hard place.
yah dude, i'm still stuck on my GTX 970 bro. lol I'm still waiting this storm out. What's funny is I was going to upgrade when the RX 6000 series came out, but here we are. in a world where 2.5x the cost is the norm. this shit is mindblowing. the cost of a GPU is the cost of a full system. Guess i'll come back to the reviews in 2023 and see if anything has changed.
Don't feel bad at least you don't have a RX 560 2GB like me :(
...or an AMD 6950 like me... :)
i feel you bro
2GB VRAM inmy case....
I never would have thought that I would say these words: Maybe just buy a console...
In 2019 I paid $409 for a Sapphire pulse 5700xt. For that same price in 2021 I was hoping for an upgrade. I guess I will keep waiting.
Inflation isn't going away anytime soon. Manufacturing cost are much higher than 2019 and 2022 doesn't look more promising. The cost of essential materials are up as much as 50%. The only slither of hope is that the demand for GPUs might lower once ethereum goes proof of stake... but there are plenty of other profitable coins to mine with a GPU. So if price gouging due to supply can go down that will be a good first step, but don't expect MSRP for current or new product (including next gen) to drop.
@@MastrHyperion98 at this rate i don't plan on upgrading until next year sometime.
I can't even get an upgrade in cost/frame for my 970 :\
Twiddling my thumbs with a GTX 960 sitting in the same case as a 5900X waiting for GPU to come back from insanity. Expecting to wait until mid-2022 at this rate...
@@MastrHyperion98 I really don't care. Inflation is nothing new and we had big improvements Gen over gen until now.
Hilarious now the "$380" (really $700) card is advertised as a 1080p gaming card where my R9 380 ($200) box says 1440p gaming.
Oh did I say hilarious? I meant depressing.
Different time periods.
Games were easier to run back than
Ur 380 is not even a 1080p card anymore
Yea sure you can run your old games at 1440p or even more with the “380$” card
@@NeVErseeNMeLikEDis I didn't mean to imply otherwise. It's just the baseline of performance has now skyrocketed in price due to the crypto boom and supply shortages. I'm talking about titles contemporaneous to each card. That's all I meant to say.
My 5700xt purchase 2 years ago is looking better and better.
Why release a cut down 4.0 connector for a budget card? Aren't most 4.0 motherboards really expensive?
Nope, in release date of r5-5600x I get mb just cost me 180$ as mid end mb
@@Kage0No0Tenshi budget motherboards are like 70-100 bucks, of which basically none have pcie 4.0.
@@gmt1 ofc they do not have when they sucks, but from AM4 B550 as low end for 95$ and higher you get support for PCle gen 4 support with non VRM heat sinks so oc cpu will not be so good and will limit oc. no one from AM4 A520 have support for 4.0 they just support old and can not oc cpu thats why they sucks. over intel side xD you need a mb can oc I think Z590 B560 and H510 have support for gen 4.0.
@@gmt1 my gigabyte b550 aorus pro good as a high end as oc and I get up to 5.0Ghz oc all cores stable for my 5600X and I go back to 4.8Ghz for lower temp and more life spin becuze my gtx 770_4gb tilt my PC and I sold my rx vega 56 for 250 bucks and AM4 x470 + r5-2600 for 300 bucks to buy r5-5600x and gigabyte b550 aorus pro in realise date xD
AMD - "You'll buy this 'cause you can't get a 3060ti"
Except I can. For just 40€ more. This card makes no sense, at least here in Germany.
@@Oozaru85 3060 and 3060ti are £600+ in UK and RX 6600xt is only £370 I think that makes sense if you ask me
@@Amigow0w I said it doesnt make sense here in Germany. I dont care about the UK, so why reply to my comment, lol.
@@Oozaru85 On germany RTX 3060 is 650 euros on amazon and rx 6600 is about 500 euros or less, so doesn't make sense to pay less for better performance. OK bro 😂😂😂 Have a good one.
@@Amigow0w Goahead and by your overpriced 6600 XT. That card is already overpriced at its MSRP. I'll rather wait until I get the 3060 Ti for 450€, than buy a weaker AMD card for the same price now.
The more i watch these new gpus the more i love my 5700 xt
I really wish i went for that instead of a 5600XT but I convinced myself I didn't need a 1440p card. I ended up buying a 1440p screen so I'm kicking myself now.
@@helldatrev don't worry,sooner or later u will be able to get a better gpu for a better price,this generation is a flop,but the next one is slowly coming,just hold out till then
well it not supposed to be beaten by 6600xt. It suppose to beaten by 6700xt. If you gotten a 6700xt instead i'm sure you be happy.
@@mrfaern well actually the whole point of generational improvement is to get more performance for the same money,the names are just there to make it look better,if the 6700 xt costed also 400 dollars i would agree but since the 6600 xt costs almost 400 dollars it represents the generational improvement at that price point so for two years to get the same performance for the same money is just sad
My 5700 can't handle vr that great but when I look at competition theres just no reason to upgrade at this point. Market is an absolute joke.
its like $230-ish now. go buy it. it won't comeback once they're sold out.
this did not age well, this card performs like a champ, and easily matches rtx 3060 and some cases even beats it. im not a fanboy of either, but AMD finally made some GPU's that can compete with Nvidia now. i tend to prefer Nvidia mainly cause im used to there setup, but healthy competition is a win for consumers. the only problem is price.
You can get it for under 400 right now, it's pretty solid honestly.
He's not predicting the future, he's showing you what it is at the time, if not for honest reviews like this, AMD / NVIDA wouldn't bother fixing drivers to address issues.
Welp... my dear RX 580 this is shaping up to be a long term relationship.
Was thinking exactly the same about my 590, I'm wanting an upgrade but I want something worth upgrading too that doesn't cost the earth 🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️
I'm still salty as fuck about my RX 480 dying.
Ya, my v64 is holding up OK
Me crying with my rx 560
@@anakinskyguy6582 is better that not having a gpu besides with 4gb you should be able to play most games.
Next gen, I really hope to get back $2.50 per frame and under.
No hope for that…
Best bet is used GPU these times... but the used market where I'm from is still janked up. I mean, US$300 for a used 1060 or 1650??
@@JaBruv Stop contradicting yourself, 6600xt new for 400usd is much better than 300usd used 1060
How is it in 2022?
Ive seen many videos where the 6600xt beats the 2070 super very frequently and matches up to the 3060 ti very well
ITS GREAT
In my country, 6600 xt (R$4500,00) is 10% cheaper than 3060 (R$5000,00) and 25% cheaper than 3060 ti (R$6000,00). 9 October 2021 values.
AMD became so disgusting. This card should go for $299 msrp, period!!! and people thought it's greedvidia
299 isn't even good. It's a 5700xt 2 years later. We should expect better at a cheaper price not the same trash!
Try $200, this should be the performance of the 6500xt.
based solely on the look of the PCB (i've paused the video to type this), this should be $150-250 MSRP. reminds me of my HD7790
Yeah this is a card that should have been 250. And it would have been a great card at around 200 bucks.
Well this didn't age well
I'd pay $200 for this, max.
Exactly what I was thinking; £200/$250 is about what it's worth.
Wait... is it just a 5700XT refresh? XD The only redeeming Feature it seems like is the fact, that it has a 65W lower TDP... 225W vs 160W.
The 3060Ti has a TDP of 200W, but also a lot more performance.
Yeah only good thing about this card is the efficiency tdp wise.
Different price points I guess
this is a 3060 competitor
@@denan1 it's priced closer to a 3060 ti
TDP doesn't mean much. You can run 3060ti at 150W and it'll still be a lot faster than this card considering how much faster it is at stock. ofc assuming both cards are available at MSRP
You have your baselines for the percentage difference mixed up in Doom Eternal @17:15 - The 3060 Ti doesn't lose 92% of its performance when enabling RT, but rather 48%. You could also say it's 92% faster with RT off than with RT on, I guess.
It's amazing how before this generation I was excited about hardware. Nowadays I loathe hearing about hardware, how they cut down hardware and pass it on as the best thing since sliced bread when in fact it's sh-t. As always, Hardware Unboxed comes out with an honest review which viewers can know what bad hardware AMD/Nvidia are feeding us.
Nice video as always. Sad to see the GPU market continuing to regress.
You think this is regression? Wait for the 6500 XT.
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@@josejuanandrade4439 dude 5700xt is better than this crap at 1440p and was a legendary 1440p card..
@@niks660097 14:32 I'm just going by the performance charts shown. Did you see the video? Most reviewers seems to coincide this is pretty much just another 5700xt. Shrug.
Man I've been team red for so long but it looks like I'll grab the 3060 over this. AMD dropped the ball hard.
3060 ti is getting down to decent money. 3060 is garbage so definitely avoid
Just splurge for the 3060ti. It's so much better.
@@elirantuil5003 not really
@@elirantuil5003 yes and will also cost over 100€ more probably. Dumb. 3060 non Ti will even cost more probably.
@@chriswright8074 25% better and if it's anything like Aus you can find a 3060 ti for same price or less than 3060s at the moment
is it a great value if i get the 6600XT for 250$
Some sell for $230 here in Malaysia
I got myself a ref 6700xt for $320 and coming nxtweek
Comparing MSRP to older models is not apples to apples these days, because of all the inflation in the last 2 years. if we assume that prices were 20% lower than it was 2 years ago, than a $380 GPU today is equal in pricing to a $300 GPU 2 years ago. Considering this, It's not a bad release, It will be if there is no availability like other GPUs released this year.
Pretty sure the next generation GPU will have $500 for ENTRY LEVEL performance.
just get a PS5 at that price point lol
@@xilllllix yeah, agreed
@@xilllllix, as if I'll find a ps5 at that price lol. Smh
@@jeffthegamerboy3476 just got a PS5 last month for $500. all it took was following a few twitter accounts to get in-stock notifications...
I'm not going to play that bs price game...I will wait for price to drop back ... Idk how long it takes
Remember, this is a RX 470 replacement with die size and shader count. And at more than double the price. Gotta love it. This goes to show that PC gamers can't just not buy something and force prices down and send a message. All semiconductor companies will abuse price when they can
I'm still not buying these ridiculous increased prices and b******* I will wait as long as it takes
But the Polaris GPU cards were being sold for more than $400 new this summer. Like it or not there are supply shortages and rising prices for all kinds of components.
10% less overall performance than 3060 TI in FHD but 36% cheaper at this moment in Brazil ... good deal ...
In the Aliexpress the price difference is about 45%
April 22
This is the true "whatever we release now, it is in fact gonna be sold out instantly anyway" product of this year.
I'm proud to see the mid-range gamers not participating in buying cards with these ridiculous prices, you guys are the true heroes. A real buyer, it's patient by nature.
My rx 580 8gb is dying!!! I need something
Unfortunately not in all world
Still waiting for my dream 1650
Mostly because we can't afford to spend that much. If I had the money I would've bought a gpu already
If I'd have had the money, I would have purchased a 6700xt, but I can't justify the crazy inflated price 😡
I'm living in constant fear that one day my 1080Ti will break. I'm going to need another generation to tick over, especially if the "less for more" pricing reality is here to stay.
You're going to be fine. There are people still using the 700 series.
Just take good care of it so the thermals are fine and you're set.
I'd still have my old system with a 760 in it, in case something goes wrong with my 2060. I know a lot of people were kind of dismissing that card when it came out (because it was the weakest in terms of the ray tracing and the 6gb of VRAM), but it has been a really solid 1440p card so far and at the time (at least where I live) it was a better value than its competitors. a 1070 which is slower cost 50 bucks more and a 1070ti was like 100 - 150 bucks more. Same for the RX Vega 56.
And we've now even come to the point where the equivalent 2060 card costs 150+ bucks more when you buy them used... Honestly I think I was kind of lucky buying that 2060 when it came out. The fact that people were a bit dismissive and sceptical about it, left it less impacted by the insane prices that were even happening (2,5 years) back then. So, yeah I feel ya, I'm really trying to take good care of it, because I don't want to miss a GPU like this right now.
In not living in fear that my GTX 1080 will die, I would obviously prefer it didn't with the current market though, as purchasing a new card with current pricing would not feel good.
@@tominatorxx I think the 2060 was a great card if you managed to get it for 300 bucks like the KO version.
Mate I'm doing parametric architecture and high end complex 3d modelling and rendering on a 1060 6gb while being poor as shit, you are more than great.
in my country South Africa, the 6600XT is roughly $100 cheaper than the 3060 Ti so for me its a solid deal at the moment,
Got it for $420
Good luck finding a 3060 ti for under $1,000 while the 6600 xt is available for $469.99. I just got one from Best Buy for that price.
This Video make me proud RTX 2070 Super Owner gaming 1440P in 2021. Which i paid 250$ when ampere lunch last year …
Damn bro what a deal!
Wow there goes my idea to use one of these in a 6700K system until I found it necessary to upgrade. Thanks AMD I think you just unfortunately lost a customer... And I was really hoping to not have to go back to Nvidia.
amd will sell all their cards for 600-800$ to miners, man, they know already whats up hence the terrible msrp price, till crypto boom is done no good priced cards for gamers, 1,5-2x msrp at the least
@@6utS 6600XT for mining will suck balls, also AMD atleast tries to sell gpu's on their website not once a year like Nvidia.
To be fair, if you watch a single video which is a review of a mediocre product and decide that a brand don't deserve your money you are just fucked up.
Considering all Shit products everyone makes ( intel nvidia, amd and future players) we should buy nothing at this point to not be stupid hypocrites.
This guy just wanted some attention and he already decided that he didnt want to buy AMD or he is simply an hypocrite/ child, and this could be the same under an nvidia product review.
@@justetan3566 all i can tell u prices from my country(poland), they are close or at 2x msrp, be it nvidia or amd, no gamers buy at those prices, miners do tho, and continuesly coz for every 100 gpu's they buy at 2x msrp(at some point it was 3x msrp;p) they make more and more cash to buy even more gpu's again at crazy high price, no gamer can compete except superhigh end enthusiast with close to or unlimited budget who just wants to have best thing no matter the money he spends.
U can see that from recent steamsurvey where 3090 has higher %userbase vs many lower end cards.
@@6utS in aware of that but the 6600XT is probably a waste of time and energy for most miners, and if they are desperate for a new rig it means they are just casuals and not serious miners.
I could be totaly wrong but I'm sure you can get better mining gpus for less money than a 600 dollars 6600XT.
even at MSRP, ridiculous vs previous generations. consider that the rx 480/580 has 256GB/s bandwidth as this which is more than 5 years ago. back then performance increase of around 2x can be had in at least 2-3 years for almost the same price, paying a bit more for inflation and better external parts.
I just bought it for $300, great card for that price, don't buy it unless it's way below MSRP
$380 😂😂😂🤡🤡🤡
Nobody should buy it. Maybe then they will lower the price to what it's actually worth. Based off this performance, $300 would be pushing it, imo.
A big fuss, in normal times it would've been 30$ less. Nerds and their usual meaningless nerd dramas. Wow 30$ omg omg !!! 😂😂
People buy 3060 at $600 to $700… and this is cheaper. This has best bang for the buck as unbelieveable as it sounds… the gpu market is and has been crasy!
this generation of gpus are a serious waste of money and an even greater waste of effort to attain. all for ray traced reflections in crappy games like watch dogs legion and CP2077
My Strix 3090 begs to differ.
@@drunkhusband6257, because the 3080Ti is a joke for what it is and the price. The 3090 makes a lot more sense in terms of performance and price (talking MSRP, not fake, inflated current prices). If they had done 16GB, or even 20GB, of VRAM, than it *might* have made sense but they released it with a measly 12GB 😒 I also believe the 3090 has a lot more practical life out of it versus lower level cards since games are only becoming more demanding. On top of all of that, the 3090 handles 3D rendering a lot better.
@@drunkhusband6257, based on the current PC world, I highly doubt it. I’ve come to realize most PC builders are cheap and hardly like to upgrade. I’m not saying games will require all 24GB but having it available is nice since I do other work besides gaming. For most, a 3080 is enough but I prefer to overbuild and plan ahead. It was also my first ever PC build so I went all out and didn’t have a budget for anything. Most can’t do that but I wanted something I won’t have to upgrade for at least 3 years.
@@drunkhusband6257, how? The Ti and 3090 are only a $300 difference. That’s why they make no sense. Having said that, my specific 3090 has a $2,500 MSRP, so that’s a totally different situation.
@@drunkhusband6257, not if we’re talking about actual MSRP prices.
Who the hell is running AMD's GPU department?! They finally *almost* catch up to nvidia and so they suddenly think they can rest on their laurels and stop trying to meaningfully gain market share or properly compete.
Currently rx 6600xt is more available and is cheaper about 15% Here in asia than RTX 3060ti, I guess people doesnt have much choice
in malaysia 3060ti cost at $470 while 6600xt for $350 n 6700xt also for $470. how bout u
OMG you heard us people in Australia. Thanks for doing the extra work by reaching real buyers' thought and real situations.
AMD murdered the value segment with this one... in a very wrong and bad way, everyone MUST ignore this card!
Na, they gave us the 200$ RX 480 and people bought Nvidia (even when they gave gtx 970+ performance that was at 320+ down to 200$) Remember that they were the ones that put that 200$ tag of mid cards in the first place, not their issue that fanboys buy Nvidia cards no matter how better the competition is.
Kudos to Nvidia marketing team tho, they sure do know how to train their sheeps.
@@gabrielst527 People don't buy their cards thanks to their shitty drivers, lol. Nvidia still is better in every aspect. Deal with it. AMD was never an option to me, since I always had driver issues with their cards. Never with Nvidia tho. So yeah, AMD can shove their overpriced crap up where the sun doesn't shine. Now people have even more reasons to not buy their cards, with these ridiculous prices.
They can charge this because people are buying it. This is an RX 470 replacement fyi
except this underwhelming card ticks all the boxes for OEM builders of RGB blinged out, 'HIGH END MONSTER GAMING PC' in poorly ventilated case with 1 stick of ram.
@@Oozaru85 driver meme lmfao. Come on
Honestly, RX6600XT was the best valu GPU of this gen ... The best for what you get for the price you paid ... cost less than a RTX3060 (who was never sell at his msrp ! In France it cost 100 to 200 euro more than the 6600XT ! A real shame !) and was more efficient and more powerfull in rasterisation. I never understand why this GPU haved so many bad review (when 3060 have only good review). It's stay a great 1080p60 Ultra GPU card ...
"AMD's Turing moment"
Oof
Not at all, far from it. AMD priced them high to take advantage of the current semiconductor shortage when all GPUs are being sold at inflated prices. MSRP actually has no value.
@@atisbasak Still a shit card. Hot garbage. MSRP is of value because that's advertised. Shit card, Shit price, Shit overall. Rather buy a RTX 3060
@@rubenventer5495 RTX 3060 is also overpriced for what it is. RX 6600 XT is 15% faster and 15% more expensive. So it's actually a good value for mone, compared to the RTX 3060 of course. And these days it's very difficult to get a graphics card at MSRP. Semiconductor shortage and scalping have driven up prices significantly.
@@atisbasak Overpriced? The pricing is similar to a 3060Ti which is much better. The performance is not 15% across the board. Selective hearing it seems. Tell me you're an AMD fanboy without telling me you're an AMD fanboy. It's garbage mate. For 20 dollars more you get a much better card. The 3060 looks like an absolute great budget card compared to the 6600XT. The bandwidth wheels come off at 1440p and with DLSS the 3060 will look better and have more frames. Even with its 12GB Ram it will probably be even fine at 4K thanks to DLSS. In a world where the 6600XT didn't exist, sure the 3060 doesn't look all that great but in a world that the 6600XT does? The 3060 looks like a much better investment. AMD sponsored titles are nothing to go by as they are pretty garbage games in any case. This card is horrible. 5700XT performance? And you can arguably get a 5700XT for a lot cheaper?. The 5700XT was advertised as a 1440p gaming card and it still manages to do that even outperforming the 6600XT there?. Wtf. I struggle to understand the logic behind this. Rather refrain from commenting stuff that makes absolutely no sense from a buyers POV.
@@rubenventer5495 Compared to the 3060 Ti, the 6600 XT might be a worse value but the 6600 XT is better than 3060 as it has better performance and consumes less power. It also is a good value for the money relative to the 3060. On average, it performs around 15-20% better than the 3060. As for the 3060 Ti, it's a different story. RX 6600 XT has ray tracing and FSR upscaling that works quite well, especially for the first generation and it will gradually improve over time just like Nvidia's ray tracing and DLSS has. Going by MSRP, RX 6600 XT is more affordable than RX 5700 XT, performs better and consumes much less power. It also has advanced features like ray tracing and variable rate shading. It is marketed as a high frame rate 1080p gaming and can also get good frame rates at 1440p.
I'm from the EU and have access to wholesalers. Cheapest RX 6600 XT is 650€ + VAT.
I thought the 6600XT would be atleast a 2080 in 1080p, damn was I wrong
This gpu is so cut down and AMD is making huge margins at this price. It has less CUs than it's predecessor (in naming) 5600XT, less TMUs, a smaller memory bus (128-bit was last used on the RX 5500XT which had an MSRP of 169 USD and before that the RX 560 at 99USD! Both were entry level gpus.) and when games at 1080p will inevitably start maxing out that VRAM it performs like a 5700 NON XT (as shown by the 4K results).
This gpu is most probably very cheap to make and this price is absolutely ridiculous.
I mean, it is very close? The 2080 never was this insane jump from a 5700XT, maybe 10%?
I Had the 2070S and it was already close enough to the 2080, while the 5700XT i bought after selling the 2070S was basically the same performance overall.
@@justetan3566 naw I can't give it any benefits of the doubt. This card should kill 1080p the way the 6700XT kill 1440p. The 6700XT is 30% faster and this thing will probably retail at $600+ when you can get a brand new 6700XT for $750. AMD killed this card before it even came out
@@Anukinihun Im not saying it's good, i just wrote a reply of what you said.
This card honestly should be bought only if you are desperate, i can understand the poor 1440p performance due to memory contraints but all the rest just has little to no excuses for this price point.
@@justetan3566 ohhh yeah I wasn't coming after you, it's just frustrating that this card is so bad. I'm a pc builder and I was selling my clients on getting this card now I don't know what to tell them. Hopefully in a few weeks this card get flooded on Ebay and the price crashes like the 6700XT.
The PCIE x8 decision is truly baffling. What in the world were they thinking!?! So in order to get 100% of the 6600xt's potential I have to upgrade my entire system to a PCIE 4.0 system? That's crazy town. Good luck out there AMD, you'll need it.
Given that there isn't a single 6600 XT in stock on Newegg, I don't think they needed that luck...
@@cjeffcoatjr Newegg isn't the only retailer on the planet
hey, if you're spending $400 on a budget graphics card you might as well spend $300 on a budget cpu and $200 on a budget motherboard to go along with it. welcome to backwardslandia
So my b450 tuf won’t squeeze out all that it needs to for it? :(
@@scribeofsolace You will loose out on 5-10 fps on avarage on every game with a pcie 3.0.
The world is comming to an end oh noes....
the 3060 Ti where I'm from, is 200 dollars more than the 6600 xt. Hell, even the 3060 is more expensive than this GPU. I think I'm gonna go for it since I game mostly on 1080p.
I'll gladly sit on my RX 480 8GB that I got for $100 a while ago. Getting my popcorn out to watch the $hit show continue.
It is basically a 5700XT a few years later without the driver issues for about the same price. Good guy AMD....
I'm sure will be driver problem, that's amd biggest problem.
Right lol. But now, 5700xt doesn't even have driver issues anymore. Got mine about a year ago and its been smooth sailing. The 6600xt is definitely a product of the great shortage and in normal times it would be priced $300 or less.
Wait for RDNA 2 driver issue. I'm a 5700 xt user. And never listens. It took them till 2021 to fix 2019 cards
Not even MSRP seems reasonable for this card.
girls r interested in GPU too? thats surprising
Sad, that that real world pricing only made it in a foot note, because you are right, here in Germany I can buy a 6600XT for 500€ or a 3060 for 600€. The MSRP might be bad, but that means nothing these days.
Man that 5700XT is still kicking butt...
Fine wine
"It is what it is"
- Steve
I can't believe that a 250$ GTX 1080 I bought 2.5 years ago is still a good deal.
I'd love to have a card like that, my GTX 970 is struggling and I can't get any card at a reasonable price unless I try the lottery at amd.com, the 6600 XT has also this problem with PCI 3.0 and can you guess what PCI-E do I have? yes, only PCI 3.0 lol
Have fun with that card! :)
I have 780
They had a great chance to win over a lot of gamers with this card. Unfortunately, as always, nobody has the interest of their customers and their greed is putting a shade on them after the success with the processors.
When you're so up your own ass you think you represent all the consumers in the world.
@@sujimayne You seem homeschooled 😌
Sadly this thing is going to appear like Hotcakes sales in amd books, just because scalpers are going to buy them all to resell them at eBay
Wow! How stupid was AMD with this card? 128 bit memory bus and an x8 PCIe bus speed. Just face palm!
It's perfectly fine
And today people are drooling over this GPU
DIDNT AGE WELL
No more love for you gamers. AMD and NVIDIA love miners now.
Scalpers are the real problem.
I see what you guys did there..."MSRP $US"
MSRP sure is lookin SUS
Amogus
Well good news for me, I play at 1080p and its a good upgrade mostly from the 2060 I have lol
The 6700xt had an MSRP of $480. You can go buy one on Newegg right now for $900(from Newegg). I expect the markup to be similar for these cards, so expect to pay $600 or more