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The GPU landscape is crazy right now. Almost have to sell your kidney to get one. I sold my old RX580 8GB for $290 CDN at the beginning of the year then watched the resale value double shortly after that. I'm well set in that regard (got a 3080) so I don't mind but it's insane.
I have to turn the bell off on your channel for a while. It's not fair to you because you are doing a great job, its just my tech enthusiasm has been beaten out of me. I am giving up on it. I'll remain subscribed just in case the world does return to normal which at this point I am not convinced it will.
Why complain about the MSRP when the MSRP has no effect on the actual price that you can find them for? Nothing is available for MSRP, people charge what the market can bear for them, with retailers probably often paying more than MSRP even when buying wholesale.
Here it is a year later and I picked up a 6650xt for $285 a few weeks ago.. Couldn't be happier from a value perspective and even just raw performance. Very nice card.
And you still got totally ripped off. The Radeon RX 6650 XT should've launched at $149 or less and the RX 6600 XT should've been $129 and the RX 6600 should've been under $100 like $89 MSRP. So yeah, right now considering the Radeon RX 6600 XT is now about to be replaced by the RX 7600 XT it shouldn't be any higher than $100 new right now and that's being real generous to AMD. The GeForce RTX 3060 Ti beats the Radeon RX 6650 XT in every benchmark. NVidia's card just crushes it.
Yep, the only thing in stock with the most vram and new architecture. Seeing these pop up for $500-600 online, but it’s available and I still believe in AMD fine wine
I am from a poorer country but I can now afford a 3070 and that is what I have but I think of my student days and wonder if my parents would have ever bought me a Garphics card if they were so insanely priced as they are now? This much for a 60 class card? Don't think so! I feel for all those kids who are just being priced out of PC gaming and are forced to make do with phones or whatever.
"consumer-focused", cuz between GN merch, and Patreon, Steve isn't paid to represent some mega corp, we fund him to test the thing and report what the test results are, lol. this content is some well earned cups of coffee for the crew, ok, and some kitty treats for the other crew members, lol.
Not spending a load of money on PC parts doesn't make you a pleb! Whether it's cause you're too young for a job or don't have the spare money doesn't mean you or anyone else is considered less🙌
@@WinterCharmVT Yea I wonder about that too but then gaming and PC gaming in particular has seen spectacular growth in recent times already. So it will probably just slow down that terrific rate of growth which still hurts the industry but I guess AMD/Nvidia are willing to take that pain in return for amazing short term profits.
I remember in the good old days when a high end GPU would cost as much as a console and was scalded as rediculous. Now entry level cards cost almost as much as a console.
A good number of consumers just want the best of the best. When they saw how much we were willing to pay for a card, they figured they could continue charging that much. I'm afraid Nvidia and AMD are holding hands and raising up the price together. I bet the new norm will be that graphics card make up 50-70% of the total cost of a build which is crazy.
@Neoand12 They are now. For $ 500 you get a more powerful system with a console. At this rate our platform will die and developers will start ignoring the PC again to focus on the console. Nvidia and AMD are going to kill their own market over this greed
Nothing stays the same forever. IF people didn't pay the outrageous prices already out there, then we wouldn't be having thus discussion. Welcome to the ' New Normal ' . Blame crypto miners while you're at it for fun as well.
thats why theres no room for midrange tech. its not just gpus. all tech is shifting to either high end or budget. cheap and cheerful or smoking hot, nobody wants lukewarm. i suspect people are weighing up how much real life benefit they get from it. such is the times
same buddy, I bought mine in late 2018 as a stop gap since the 3000 series was already on the horizon then...never thought it would become my most precious possesion
me christmass 2020 .... getting a 1440p monitor ... i will deal with lower settings with my 1060 6gb .... till the 3xxx series come so i can grab a 3060 or 3060ti ....3060ti comes out first day release in my country ...check prices with 500 euros in my hand ready to fire ..... 3060ti costs 1200 euros here ....well ...low details and 1060 6gb will do juuuuuuuust fine ! :P
Last year I bought a 2060 KO. I had never spent 300 USD on a GPU before, but somehow I was convinced to splurge on it. Nowadays a 1050ti costs the same amount (brand new, I assume you can find a better deal on a used one) and it seems like I really got myself a good deal back then.
The paradox is that somebody buying a lower end card probably needs that card to last longer than somebody in a position to buy higher end cards who is more likely to frequently upgrade. With that in mind, a lower end card without something like DLSS is a hard sell.
well, FSR does exist, but the 8x PCIe 4 and the memory speed and all that, yikes. Unfortunately this is one of the GPUs that has the best chances to not be sold out in 2 microseconds, thanks to a shitty price similar to scalper prices for 5700 XTs... ooof, at least it's got RT... Edit: scalper prices, except for a couple of gpus from Russia, are way worse than 400 dollars, never mind...
Yep, still on my GTX970 which VRAM aside was a fantastic card for the time. As was the 1070. With the new consoles out though, if you want a GPU to last the next 5-6 years or so, the 6800XT would be the one to get if it could be had for MSRP. But with the crossgen period also being way longer this round with games still being developed around the base Xbox One, maybe I'll just play on low at 1080p for another year or two, because what's even the point if the games that'll actually leverage the new GPUs only come along when they're halfway through their lifecycle?
@@roundduckkira The 8x pcie4 is probably the least relevant part of the criticism. That equates to 16x PCIe 3 and this card isn't going to saturate that.
I have a 1070 Ti, good enough, but I still kick myself for not jumping in quick enough when 1080 Tis were being liquidated for around $450 a few years back.
In my country 6600xt is about 20% cheaper than non Ti 3060 and its faster (mostly slightly) than nvidia. 3060Ti costs almost TWICE as this card so its not that bad as everyone is talking, at least 8 months ago.
@@kingding9542 yep. Was very popular with crypto miners. And well... let's just say it costs more to mine than the worth of the coin. So people are "closing shop". A lot second hand gpu's out there. Although most of these would've been running 24/7. And likely to have been overclocked. So I wouldn't pay "premium" for these. Only get them if it's cheap aaaaas chips brew!
people thought amd is a company with nice prices, they love their customers, but they are not different than nvidia or intel, if they had the best gpus/cpus back in the time they would do the same shit like nvidia or like intel
Every corporation would, it's what makes them a corporation. More or less, at least - this, and indeed literally anything Nvidia has ever done, don't even come close to approaching the shit Intel pulled in the decade they had a monopoly. It's a difference of kind, not of degree. Beyond refusing to support that sort of monopolistic nonsense (wherein things stagnate entirely until someone forces you to stop selling the same thing at a new price every year), having positive feelings about a multi-billion dollar corporation is the kind of thing that should be associated with children who really like a certain superhero, not grown adults who think they're smarter than console owners.
AMD only did that because their products were shit and they needed customers. Now that their products are good and they have tons of customers... i'm not surprised that they went this route
Its almost like company's are not like people with feelings but rather are giant hive minds bent on one goal. Go try convincing a bee's nest not to search for honey. Its like this in every sector. And it will be until revolution changes it.
@@hicarodestrui You'd be surprised at how many people support companies like Intel, NVIDIA, and AMD like they're some sort of sports team, blindly defending everything their precious company does.
That was an excellent video yesterday. My wife's ABS computer had one installed. I spent yesterday evening tearing it out and replacing it with the PSU out of my spare system. It's not worth the risk. I'll use it in a system that won't draw so much power.
With flightsimulator available on xbox they might need to start being carefull. When broke and into flight sims… the Pc is turning into an irrelevant overpriced headache… I’m flying sim since forever… windows or macos whatever have always been the troublesome for no good reason item.
@@alistairblaire6001 with the excessively high % of failure AND how dangerous their failure are, I’m surprised that no governement entities stepped up and put some CEO in jails while waiting for complete recall.
Me (Nov 2019): I'll pick up this RX580 for $160. That should do fine until next gen GPUs come out next year. Me (2020): I can wait until the release of midrange cards. Me (2021): Well, at least I won't be tempted to upgrade my 1080p 75 Hz monitor to 1440p any time soon.
Same. Literally the same story. Though I bought 580 slightly earlier and planned to pick up 6800XT - if it were at normal price. But I can play at 1080p happily.
Similar with me. The difference is, I bought my RX 480 in 2016. I planned to upgrade in 2020. Yeah, about that ... just wait for 2021. So ... err ... yeah, no thanks.
@@syrynx4454 the entry level this gen is terrible. The 3060 and 6600XT are way too weak compared to their counterparts. The 3060 and 6600XT should atleast be 2080/2070 Super at 1080p but they aren't and aren't worth buying. Hope the rumors of Nivida making a 3060 Super that is 2080 Super performance is true
Are you accounting for inflation & the audience that needs GPUs today vs. back then? Pure gamers are competing with machine learners, crypto miners, creatives (especially right now being stuck at home), & other more sophisticated GPU users than back in the day.
@@creeplyjoes8828 its cheaper and we are comparing last gens best from Amd to next gens worst from Nvidia of course a top card from last year will be better than the lower priced next gen card not to mention that the 3060 is cheaper and more value
Drives me crazy when I point out the very best card you could buy was £350 not that long ago and all I get is excuses about inflation and market conditions...funny how everything else has gone up by around 10% since then but the top end card has gone up by 200%...even more funny how this sharp curve closely aligns with how much money these companies make. Like Steve says it's ok to make money, what's not ok is being a dick about it....
How is it dead? because you guys supported it, you guys wanted it, the market wanted it, AMD just present it in the form that you guys wanted. When 5600x a 6 core 12 thread selling $299 MSRP, you guys did nothing to boycott the price. The market deserve this now. Nothing to complain the price.
@@bsh7390 Yep. That's how commodities work. Plus, "They're making massive bank" just ignores the fact that if AMD sells this card for $250, it just increases the scalpers' profit margin. GPUs are expensive because people are fine with the prices and I understand. $1000 for a GPU that will last you 4 years is roughly $20 a month, aka an insignificant amount of money for many of us.
Well, In this market, where a 3060 is $900 to $1000 and I've been playing for 10 years on a Nvidia 560 TI. The RX 6600 XT looks Amazing, infact it looks so good that it is the card I bought and at a $450 price tag I saved $550. now I know this isn't the way things were in the past but sadly we are living in the present and this is the way things are. AMD made a card that the scalpers were not interested in but a gamer, like me, could get his hands on if he was willing to eat cans of tuna for a couple of months to save up for the card.
Wow sadly this is still the case and in particular, my case. I'll bite the bullet and get the 6600XT because it is still way cheaper than the 3060 at least here in this local market. And things aren't looking great from what I hear from nvidia.
@@Christophe_L The 6600XT is better than the 3060 but not quite as good as the 3060 TI from what I've read, anyway, I just wanted to say I'm very happy with my 6600 XT it is a good card. I wasn't happy i had to get it to start with but after gaming with it I'm happy. I hope you enjoy yours
is that still realistic tho? we are living in very strange times, if bitcoin decides to explode once more and rise 50% in value people will pay 800 dollars for this card, and they will pay it gladly, because GPUs are a way to earn money. thinking a midrange GPU should cost 250 dollars might be ethically correct, but it is just not the world we live in anymore. for example lets say you own a 1050ti or a 1060 and want to keep gaming in FHD, a 6600xt is a good deal for 400 dollars given the market situation.
: D We knew.. MSI is going to Do Scalping again.. as usual...lol, MSI.. Style You can call the The KING of Scalper..(Feeding their China_Boss Xi BigBig again)......................: P
Yep, mid-range is dead, and they killed it. You've perfectly captured that feeling of exhaustion about the new graphics card of this generation. It's either going to be overpriced or you can't buy it. Back in the day, that kind of bad value would make the release DOA. Literally everything will sell.
Exactly. As Steve said, what better deal you have currently when everything is out of stock or being scalped? If you still have a PC and are happy, keep it. If not try to optimise it the best you can without spending money on new hardware. If you must buy something, go if possible to the higher tier were performance per dollar spent is better. And try not to be too much scalped.
The MSRP could have been 100 lower and the street price would be the same, so I'm not going to complain about MSRP. I don't think these prices are good, and I'm not going to buy one of these even at MSRP, but I'm also not going to complain about it. Cards being close to or even more than double MSRP, that's the reality right now, and that's what I'm complaining about. I wish more people would have been patient and just not bought anything, waiting for prices to come down more before buying.
I think it's more like we killed it. If we as customers wouldn't had bought all the overpriced cards since Turing, companies wouldn't be experimenting to see how far up they can raise prices. They keep jacking up the prices and we keep buying up all the supply.
I couldn’t find many reviews about the Fighter. Could you tell me something about the cooling system? Is it good enough? Due to the fact that it’s probably the most budget version of rx 6600xt I’m a little bit worried.
AMD is giving you the privilege of buying the RX 5700XT just a few years later for 20$ less of its release price but with slower VRAM due to the 128bit and slower bandwidth due to it only supporting 8X Pci-e sure it's fine if you use it on a gen4 device but it losses around 10-15% even more depending on the game if you pair it with a GEN 3 device it really is such amazing progress.
this card is horrible. THe 5700xt was 400 dollars at release. The 6600xt is also 380 dollars at release. Its basically a binned 5700xt. Horrible card. We wait an entire generation for a new gpu, and we get the same thing rebranded without a price decrease.
People must remember the Gen4 / Gen3 issues are even greater of a concern when you are talking the 8x bus these cards run on. If you run this on a older Gen3 platform that usually would be no problem with a 16x card like a 3060 but these being 8x cards take a much great hit on Gen3 systems. It's essentially the same bandwidth as very old Gen2 16x when you run this 8x card on Gen3 spec. I have five of these 6600XT left and just yesterday finally replaced my last 2 B450 boards with X570 for Gen4 support and more M2 Gen4 slots. Great deals though, sold a Tomahawk B450 for $80 and bought a brand new Asus Tuf x570 for $80. Very little upgrade costs from selling off these older boards for newer. Granted some games have very little gains on Gen4. Sad they would make these 8x cards as they know plenty of people would pair these more budget ranged cards with older systems.
you guys are getting SO much mileage out of that ONE intel presentation, that freakin rules, never let them live that down, ever. under any circumstances. if anything, make a video of just them saying "thanks steve" and have it up on your channel. instant billion views.
Nononononono! It can't be just "Thanks, Steve." It's got to be: - Back to you, Steve. - Thanks, Steve. Back to you, Steve. - Thanks, Steve. Back to you, Steve. - Thanks, Steve... You could also insert some other stupid moment in between Thanks and Back To You.
: D We knew.. MSI is going to Do mass Scalping again.. as usual...lol, MSI.. Style You can call them The KING of Scalper..(Feeding their EV!!L China_Boss Xi BigBig again)
I understand Steve's issues - but in the market, I just found a new 6600XT that is £100 LESS that a 3060 - so it's a no brainer. I'm paying around 21% less for around 10% - 15% more performance. I looked into a 5600XT, and they were going to cost MORE than a 6600XT! (Lack of availability I guess) So it's made a great upgrade for my 580 👍
I just bought the PowerColor Fighter for $399. Most 3060s are about $550 right now, so based on actual pricing, 30% more for the 3060 for at most 10% more performance or at least in the games I'm going through right now, and considering FSR2 and RSR (which WILL get better), the 3060 has nothing on the 6600 XT other than slightly better crappy ray tracing which I wouldn't use anyway until you're talking about mid range GPUs being able to run it while maintaining at least 90% the speed without it. I think it's kind of why Wendell from level1 said it's about the best buy right now. Really the 6500 XT is the best buy when you can get a 2 fan config for $220. I mean that's half the cost of the 6600 XT, but I wanted something that's running high frame rates @1080p for this build.
"That's what is known to scientists as 'a lot of percent'" - I'm glad you took the time to look up this fact Steve. Not many people know the technical term for that. Good job!
After several months I finally "won" a newegg shuffle and it was this card the Powercolor Fighter RX 6600XT. It was priced at MSRP which while still overpriced I reluctantly paid it since I've been forced to use a Radeon HD 4850 since last November when my then current card bit the dust unexpectedly. While ten plus year old games can still be fun I'm ready to get back to playing more modern fare.
After having this card for two months now I can say that this card is okay at best. First off it has a bad coil whine in games that have uncapped frame rates on menus/loading screens. Train Simulator of all things is the worst in this regard (frames rate in the thousands! in loading screens) but was fixed by limiting the frame rate. I don't have the fan quirks that were shown in this video. The fans don't even turn on until the junction temperature hits 60 C where they run around 1350 RPM and goes up and down with the junction temperature. If the junction temperature drops to 54 C they turn off. Control is the only raytracing game I own and it absolutely kills this card. It's the only game I have to run at 1080p and even then the framerate still drops into the 20s at times with raytracing on. Flight Simulator is also a rough one but it's still able to run it on ultra at 1440p over 30 fps most of the time. Other games that I have like Resident Evil 7, Forza Horizon 4, and GTA V can run over 100 fps on "ultra" settings although there's some stutter at times especially in Resident Evil 7. Not sure if that's due to my older CPU (Ryzen 2700X) or because I'm on a PCIe 3 motherboard. I think under normal market conditions this card would be $250 or perhaps even less. At MSRP ($380 for this model) it is way overpriced and at the scalper's prices it's ridiculous.
Everything’s been sucky for the past 2-3 years and it doesn’t look any better for 2022. And it’s not just PC related, just everything in general. Bright side, Ramen Noodles on a styrofoam cup is still reasonably priced.
The bigger problem is that the long term effect of this would possibly be this inflation would permanently drive the tiered card prices up. It would be a shame to see future mid range offerings being offered at 400 dollars while high end market starts north of 1000. I fear these orgs have already realized for a fact that this exhorbitant leaching would still fetch them customers in the longer run even after the pandemic. So they will keep up this practice to stretch their yoy margins. The days of pc as master race seems to be on the verge of an end, even a console at 900 dollars makes way more sense at this point.
Thanks for including the 970 and 1060 in your benchmark results! Also, a big thank you for calling out the massive profits and bullshit excuses on pricing increases made by these companies. Yes, I need to upgrade, no I’m not going to run out and buy this. The poor value offered by both AMD and Nvidia mean I’ll keep making do.
Except MOST of the pricing increases, aren't from NVidia, AMD or any of their suppliers. It's from greedy scalpers, retailers and etailers.... They're all watching sales trends and as long as idiots keep paying the ridiculous prices, those prices will continue.
Given their behavior this past year, I really want to give the middle finger to both Nvidia and AMD. They’ve largely abandoned the mid range and budget segments, and I’m very much tempted to return the favor by buying from neither of those bastards.
Queue intel arc! AMD and nVidia were gracious enough to leave the low to mid segment to them this generation so they could make a viable entrance, or so it would seem. In no way are AMD and nVidia motivated by the fact that intel will be opening their fabs up for contracting and need the money, nope, no way, not at all, no.
I remember I picked one up for £165 (at the time would of been about $230) that thing did me solidly until I was lucky enough to get a 3080 AMD 100% are capitalizing on the current GPU market with this price to performance point.
@@1337Ox Very simple, it was totally insufficient for VR. Pretty obvious. I was an early adopter of the Vive and my GTX1080TI was adequate, an RX480 would make anyone nauseous in VR. GTX980TI was insufficient so an RX480 would have been unplayable
Thank you for the consumer approach. I do get tired of the "won't someone think of the corporations" mind set some tech channels and the fanbase get into. It makes my skin crawl, these companies would literally throw you under a bus if they could figure out how to monetize it and square away the legal trouble.
so corporations are supposed to take the shit and just break even or even sell at a loss just to appease the poors? if you're a bum ass who can't afford something, then MAYBE, JUST MAYBE, don't buy it?? shocking idea eh?
Some of us do still care, Steve. I'm not saying you're wrong for your reasoning, just giving you some hope. I still tear into people for willingly putting $800+ into a secondhand $399 card. Sure, the market is bad, but if consumers collectively grew a pair and refused to purchase absurdly overpriced graphics cards, manufacturers wouldn't keep increasing profit margins.
or maybe, stop being poor? shocking idea eh? i don't see you telling rolex buyers to "collectively grow a pair" and stop buying a watch for tens of thousands right?
@@sammylam1649 not comparable. Rolex produce exquisite, extremely limited edition watches, some of which are either one of a kind or use exotic materials. Graphics cards are mass produced. There's no limited edition value, exotic material value or custom value. Short and concise, your argument is both invalid and ignorant.
Looks like the ASP for these cards isn't ever going to get any lower, Better start saving now so I can actually afford a mid-range card when my 960 dies
I will just use my vega 56 until it dies at this point. Back in the good old days when the 5700XT was cheap I kinda considered that but the gains were not significant enough.
@@cunt5413 honestly though, what is the 1070ti not working for? I have a laptop with a 115W 1070, still playing all the games i actually play at med-low settings (high textures) at 1440p with 60+ fps. I want to build a pc, sure, but a 1070 is far from not good enough.
Gotta say that I'm sad about your decision about pressure testing, I found that specific part very interesting as it made me more aware of issues that could come with it and I enjoyed the content, but I do understand the reasoning. As always, your content is great and I watch most videos, thank you so much for the insight into these cards. Also, this is probably a very niche environment, but I'd love to get some data on how these cards fare on VR titles! There is very little content on it and, if you think it's worth it, you could bring a set of new people to your videos by helping with this particular subject, even if it's just a short 10 to 20 seconds slide with a few metrics. Thank you for all your work :) It's very much appreciated and I learn a lot from it.
I'd love to do it too. Hopefully we can get back to it soon enough. We had done it a few times for these and just didn't get enough traction on some partner model reviews to justify the huge time investment.
@@GamersNexus I loved the pressure testing as well, but in the current market where actually finding a card at MSRP means so much more than pretty much everything else I think its good that you have focused on other things instead (Super excited for more PSU deep dives)
@@GamersNexus Totally understand it!! It's still your business and those tests take time and resources. At the end of the day, if the crowd doesn't respond to it, nothing you can really do. Hope the current endeavours workout!! (office and new machinery!) Best of luck, I'm here for the long ride too ;)
Sold my over 4 year old card to some miner and got the Sapphire Pulse 6600xt for little under 100€ more than what I got for the old one. Seems like a decent enough trade. Was thinking about 5700xt, but eh, 6600xt is more efficient while delivering more frames (in most cases anyway). Perfectly happy with that.
you have to realize that alot of ppl arnt upgrading from 30 series cards to a 6600 xt lol....like most of us have shitty gtx cards like 1650s and if you take that in consideration for example coming from a gtx 1650 a 6600 xt is massive esp for the price...
Unless my MSi GTX 1080 GamingX dies in the next year or two for whatever reason, I won't give a single damn about the current generation from any of the two brands. They're all skippable to the extreme. I couldn't be happier with this Pascal gem (still good performance at 1440p, great low noise, good temps, no coil noise whatsoever, looks really great IMO... it's all there). It's future replacement will have to be a similar amazing good card for decent money and with stupid bonkers >2x better performance. Otherwise, I'm good, thanks.
@@MAXLD haha gtx 1080 is trash for 1440p. even 1080 ti, which is way faster than 1080 non-ti, feels dated for 1440p gaming... 3080 is like 3 times as fast as 1080 lol or 4 times with dlss enabled on quality mode. 1080 was left in the dust years ago. even rtx 2060 smashes 1080 these days.. can't stop laughing at people like you, that thinks a 4 year old gpu is still considered anything else than low-end. it's a 1080p solution at best in 2021, sorry if truth hurts. i replaced my 1080 ti with a rtx 3080 and it was a night and day upgrade. paid 715 dollars on release, got it a few days after. then i sold my 1080 ti for 500 dollars when priced raised... my 3080 costed me like 200 dollars 😂 plus i have mined coins with it.. asus tuf oc, cool and quiet, 65 degrees with oc and zero coilwhine, fans never ramp up higher than 1400 rpm = can't even hear it... and fan stop below 60 degree... best card i have ever had.
A small thing to keep in mind: this card is only x8 PCIE bandwidth so it will have a slightly better performance on PCIE gen.4 vs gen.3. You only tested on a gen.3 motherboard.
look at the fanbois with no gpu and FHD as their only option....talk as if this GPU isnt AMD saying we can produce this way more than any current GPU in the market period but kiddos want to cry about how they can buy a 1660 super for 300$+ instead? While getting 5700xt performance for less and 160wTDP as well as the thermals that come with it. Ive owned a 2080ti/5700xt strix, tuf evo/3070 FE and a 3070strix as well as some laptops. 5500xt and 1660 is like laptop potential. Expecting this 6600xt to cost less when its essentially the "next-gen" console gpu variant to pc. Is just not going to happen in the state of fabs in 2021 and amds bottom line with cpu/gpu/apu/hedt and consoles
@KingOfGorillas lmao i run a 3070 Strix and a 2070s max q in laptop, i call it the next gen gpu bc its essentially pci-e 4.0 x8 and what theyre running in those things(consoles). PPl are paying for that to put it in a PC at a major price premium. The wafers are easier to produce than 6800 or other rdna2 cards so amd will produce more inherently. Im not happy about amd plus theyve never been the breadwinner in the software/support spectrum ive owned 7990 as well for 300$. Id know AMD has always been "expectations" Even for bf2042 even if a 3060 is slower than a 6600xt Id still take nvidia lower some settings and still have dlss as an option that aside i can run nvidia reflex and g-sync.
Wouldn't that be something. It's already grin-inducing to realize the "most bang for reasonable bucks" setup is AMD on the CPU side but nV on the GPU side. It would be ironic AF if Intel ended up providing graphics chips for AMD-powered laptops.
Someday AMD will realize that the fanboy cult behind them has been trusting them mostly because of the bang for buck they have been known to offer. They will realize... Someday...
well in the CPU space they currently can get away with high prices because Intel isn't able to compete in the R7-R9/i7-9 range. NVIDIA definetely can compete in the high range segment so that's where a cheap(ish) card would make sense because NVIDA has nothing in that area
Maybe next gen, cough. Every card after the initial launch of the new generation has had bad performance/price ratio, for AMD and Nvidia... great times
Their actually pretty aware i feel. They've used it as a marketing stick before even. Miss you is they care about their stock prices and they're stock holders, not us.
Those stabs in direction of Gigabyte are hilarious. For me, the benchmark numbers are mostly uninteresting, as I’ll probably buy the next GPU when my 1070 dies of old age in 10 years or so, but the sarcasm and roasting of bad products (which these deserve) gets me back here. It’s always bringing my a smile :)
Really, what card? Here in Canada at least, all the aibs are selling the 6600 xt right between 6700 xt and 6800 price, exactly in the middle, compared to the prices on AMD direct, and there's no amd 6600 xt. So you can either save like 60 bux and get 6700 xt or add 60 and get a 6800
@@xmxhmxtx Amd direct. He said amd delivered on the price for the 6600 xt. There's no AMD model, so I was asking which AIB he's seen at AMDs alleged price. They were all between the 6700 xt and 6800 in price here at the time. There's some that are a bit cheaper, and some that are way more expensive now. CC has one for $969.
>that rant at the end This is exactly why I trust your team and Point anyone who's tech curious to this channel. That being said, I know you're normally fairly stoic, I'd love to see some legit anger from you guys once in a while railing at this crap these companies are doing. Cheers guys, if your team is ever in my area. Beers are on me.
If I were conspiracy minded I would say that the 6600XT is actually just a relabled 5700XT. THe stock performance is so close as to be functionally identical.
@@BlackJesus8463 noup 6600xt is cheaper to make. If 5700xt would be released again… it would be more expensive than 6600xt… somewhere between 6600xt and 6700xt. All in it would be more expensive that it was two years ago…
Sad Caveman Steve - "No one cares, they'll buy it anyway." I hear you, I'm slowly coming to terms that the 5700xt I bought back in 2019 may be my last GPU.
@@creeplyjoes8828 the 3060 is a low-mid range card... And the 5700xt is a mid-high end card... Yes the 5700xt is faster, it's not some huge revelation... The 1070 is faster than the 1660... Isn't that a shocker? No not really, same shit.
I bought a 5700xt in March 2020 with money from a cancelled vacation. I felt like it wasn't the best purchase then, but after a few months I realized I missed the crisis by just that much.
When I got my GTX 980 Ti (OC-ed & WCed) for 750 Euro back in 2015, I thought it was fairly expensive, but by 2021 standards, it's still an amazing deal after six years. Yes, that is the very definition of 'stagnation'.
Buying a 5700xt (ASUS TUF: the thermonuclear version) two years ago for a whopping 330€ seems like a massive steal in this market. And I did upgrade it so the memory temps wouldn't resemble ITER. Also have two secondary PC's... one with rx380 and another with rx480 and seems like there is literally no point in upgrading those. They still play well.
So I only have one complaint about this video. You guys are consumer focused, but I haven’t seen you talk about the recurring issues many users have with ULPS on AMD cards in the videos for the 6000 series. I got a 6600 XT (upgraded from an RX 480 because it won’t keep up anymore) thanks to these videos; and the RTX availability for 2070 supers & 3070s not allowing me to get one. That and the 6700 XTs and 3070s are priced 3-400 above MSRP, while the 6600 XT is only 160-180 above MSRP. So the value statements in the video got turned on their head. Unfortunately, I had to do Reddit and google digging to find out why both 6600 XTs that I bought and exchanged were making my monitors not wake up after shutting off, and flickering random colors during gaming. AMD fundamentally undermines their own stability by enabling ULPS by default when you install drivers for their cards. This issue has effected their entire line for multiple generations now, and IMO, a consumer-focused channel should include that info in reviews when the RTX hasn’t had comparable stability problems.
It feels like games have continued to get harder to run at the same rate while GPU advancement has completely stagnated. It’s getting really hard to get excited about new releases when you need to drop so much money to run them at higher resolutions...
@@mr.t3782 i really would recommend waiting for the market to calm down mate. I barely spent over 400 on my first pc and im still using the GPU in it and gaming happily , six years later.
Gaming consoles just make PC hardware pricing look absolutely stupid right now. The Series X APU is probably a similar power to the 6600XT - more powerful if anything - combined with a 3700X. Yet the whole console is just $120 more than the MSRP of the GPU by itself. The whole current state of the GPU market is basically like paying launch MSRP for the 7800GTX a year after the Xbox360 came out. Which nobody did back then even when the 360 was new. PC Gaming was a tiny niche compared to the consoles until the 8800GT came along and made it something people could buy into.
Yeah. But then again everything in Asia is moving at a snail's pace. Most Asian electronics producing companies countries are still fighting new covid cases and the latest variants are freaking people out.
@@nicholasjoseph9062 Fear mongering at its best. We needed a risk assesment back in 2020 on covid but doing that would relinquish the fear hold on the world populace. So for now...here we are...our ancestors would kick us in the butt.
Another year my rx580 has to pull through. I remember the good old days, when you could get great price to performance, for 200 or less, and when 400 was the, "high end".
At least it's a realistic RRP for the current market. Bear in mind RRP might as well be imaginary anyway. While fab supply vs demand is so constrained, Radeon needs to sell at a premium to be worth AMD letting it have 'any' capacity next to Ryzen. Maybe supply will equalise more in 2023 when new fab facilities come online maybe - then larger profits can be had from the larger volume sales of servicing the 200-300 price point instead of letting resellers get a monopoly of that pie. Until then, maybe I'll take up origami or crocheting or something.
*Keep in mind* These benchmarks were done BEFORE ReBar was activated, and older drivers. *As of right now* The 6600xt with Resize on, in a gen 4 slot can indeed BEAT the 3060 ti in some titles now, and be very close otherwise. It is very important to note this.
: D We knew.. MSI is going to Do mass Scalping again.. as usual...lol, MSI.. Style You can call the The KING of Scalper..(Feeding their EV!!L China_Boss Xi BigBig again)................................... xxxD
I'm still running an i5 2500k + rx 570. For the most part, all of the newer pc games that interest me are indie or less demanding games like Hades, Ori, Dead Cells, etc. which my system can still can hand no problem. The one "demanding" game that I've been eyeing is RE Village, and I've seen it running respectably on hardware similar to mine.
Same. Been stuck with a 3570k and a 1050 for a while now and it's more than enough. Been on a binge of older or less demanding games like The Sims 3, Fallout 1, 2, & NV, Skyrim Special Edition, and Minecraft so I haven't had any issues running any of them. Only game that I play that puts strain on it is No Man's Sky, but even then I play it every few months.
For me, most games I play can't go over 60fps lol (Terraria, Streets of Rage 4, Yakuza 3-5, etc) I expect to rock my 1070/4690k for another year or two. Or three plus xD
I was waiting for the earnings calls to really point out who the opportunists are at the expense of consumers, not surprised by the results! Vote with your wallets or be prepared to have this experience in future generations.
It doesn't really matter what MSRP is... It's likely going to be priced in the $500+ range anyway.... At most sites, graphics card prices are still way above MSRP.
I'm just kind of sad that AMD is shooting themselves on the foot with this card especially, maybe even with the Ryzen 3 chip prices before. They know, we know, everyone knows they will sell. But the image of "hey lets show the competition how good business is done" is quickly washing away.
How are they shooting themselves? They will sell every card they make the current market price for a used rx 580 is over $300. It sucks, but it is where demand is.
@@strangestecho5088 well lets put it like that: Nvidia is an absolute asshole of a company and actually quite incompetent in some regards while AMD just gets shit done and sells well priced parts. The inability to compete is a myth of the past.
@@strangestecho5088 Yeah. Expect the same to happen with Intel GPU. First one will be a good performance for buck to get foot in the market. Then they will do what Intel does, milk every dollar.
1440p at 60fps is totally fine. I’d like to point out that most TVs and monitors people have currently still only use 60fps. That will quickly change as most monitors sold support 120htz but TVs haven’t caught up in most cases.
I took some time and thought about it, I saw a 6600 xt for 280 and I went for it. Yesterday. This will be an upgrade for me coming from a RX 470 8gb. Cheers.
Please do a rendering performance test with video editing and CAD softwares🙏 you're doing great work. Thank you for such detailed reviews of everything.
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The GPU landscape is crazy right now. Almost have to sell your kidney to get one. I sold my old RX580 8GB for $290 CDN at the beginning of the year then watched the resale value double shortly after that. I'm well set in that regard (got a 3080) so I don't mind but it's insane.
Thanks, Steve. I'll be considering it. Can you please make a mouse mat in white?
Steve, you need to factor in annual inflation. 2-3% per year.
sad to hear and esp Newegg and Gigabyte, both brands i used to feel good about.
I have to turn the bell off on your channel for a while. It's not fair to you because you are doing a great job, its just my tech enthusiasm has been beaten out of me. I am giving up on it. I'll remain subscribed just in case the world does return to normal which at this point I am not convinced it will.
I'm pretty happy that AMD finally got around to making a $200 graphics card.
I'm just very disappointed they decided to charge $400 for it.
Yup, exactly this.
Why complain about the MSRP when the MSRP has no effect on the actual price that you can find them for? Nothing is available for MSRP, people charge what the market can bear for them, with retailers probably often paying more than MSRP even when buying wholesale.
That comment is on point, sadly!
@@syncmonism these cards are going for msrp now, plus they wont go for less then msrp for a long time, so it's relevant for that reason as well.
@@21preend42 It no longer exists*
Intel's 'thanks Steve' and 'back to you Steve' soundbites are hands down the best thing they've produced this year.
Intel:
what about the ties?
The hand talking they do in that presentation is fucking bizarre…
3:19
For a multi billion dollar microprocessor designer and producer, that's sad.
Here it is a year later and I picked up a 6650xt for $285 a few weeks ago.. Couldn't be happier from a value perspective and even just raw performance. Very nice card.
On sale now at micro center for $229.
I bought a 6650xt for about £200, it's now about £150 more ... I don't understand how cards are priced at the moment
@@davidellis1355 random
@@davidellis1355 supply and demand
And you still got totally ripped off.
The Radeon RX 6650 XT should've launched at $149 or less and the RX 6600 XT should've been $129 and the RX 6600 should've been under $100 like $89 MSRP.
So yeah, right now considering the Radeon RX 6600 XT is now about to be replaced by the RX 7600 XT it shouldn't be any higher than $100 new right now and that's being real generous to AMD.
The GeForce RTX 3060 Ti beats the Radeon RX 6650 XT in every benchmark. NVidia's card just crushes it.
At this point in time this card is sold at between 1/2 and 2/3 the price of a 3060, so it really is a no-brainer when it comes to value
Yep, the only thing in stock with the most vram and new architecture. Seeing these pop up for $500-600 online, but it’s available and I still believe in AMD fine wine
Thank you for having a consumer-focused viewpoint, Steve and team. Means a lot for all us plebs
I am from a poorer country but I can now afford a 3070 and that is what I have but I think of my student days and wonder if my parents would have ever bought me a Garphics card if they were so insanely priced as they are now? This much for a 60 class card? Don't think so!
I feel for all those kids who are just being priced out of PC gaming and are forced to make do with phones or whatever.
"consumer-focused", cuz between GN merch, and Patreon, Steve isn't paid to represent some mega corp, we fund him to test the thing and report what the test results are, lol. this content is some well earned cups of coffee for the crew, ok, and some kitty treats for the other crew members, lol.
@@NatrajChaturvedi Everyone getting priced out of GPUs and PC gaming today is only going to hurt PC gaming in the long run.
Not spending a load of money on PC parts doesn't make you a pleb! Whether it's cause you're too young for a job or don't have the spare money doesn't mean you or anyone else is considered less🙌
@@WinterCharmVT Yea I wonder about that too but then gaming and PC gaming in particular has seen spectacular growth in recent times already.
So it will probably just slow down that terrific rate of growth which still hurts the industry but I guess AMD/Nvidia are willing to take that pain in return for amazing short term profits.
I remember in the good old days when a high end GPU would cost as much as a console and was scalded as rediculous. Now entry level cards cost almost as much as a console.
A good number of consumers just want the best of the best. When they saw how much we were willing to pay for a card, they figured they could continue charging that much. I'm afraid Nvidia and AMD are holding hands and raising up the price together. I bet the new norm will be that graphics card make up 50-70% of the total cost of a build which is crazy.
: D can't believe RTX 3060 is much weaken than RX 5700 XT xD.. RTX 3060 is like Garbage to older Gen RX 5700 XT....xD..........,,
@Neoand12 They are now. For $ 500 you get a more powerful system with a console. At this rate our platform will die and developers will start ignoring the PC again to focus on the console. Nvidia and AMD are going to kill their own market over this greed
Nothing stays the same forever. IF people didn't pay the outrageous prices already out there, then we wouldn't be having thus discussion. Welcome to the ' New Normal ' . Blame crypto miners while you're at it for fun as well.
I'm thinking back to my MSI 970, which I bought for £280 brand new...
I absolutely love that Steve gives sensible advice on upgrading our systems. We don’t NEED a new video card if we’re rockin older hardware.
If only they just update those old hardware but keep the same pricing. Like make the RX560 from 4GB to 6GB.
thats why theres no room for midrange tech. its not just gpus. all tech is shifting to either high end or budget. cheap and cheerful or smoking hot, nobody wants lukewarm. i suspect people are weighing up how much real life benefit they get from it. such is the times
bro I have a r9 270x i need a new card
yes i do need a new GPU.
Lost two gpu's in a weel. Old 670 gtx 4gb and then 580 gtx 3gb :(
Run out of GPU's
This aged so bad 😂
why
@@disclipedits one of the best gpu's for 1080p gaming at its price used now.
Me, 2020: "Oh this 1660 Ti will be a nice stopgap."
Me, 2021: "Nothing is more permanent than a temporary solution."
same buddy, I bought mine in late 2018 as a stop gap since the 3000 series was already on the horizon then...never thought it would become my most precious possesion
Me: Need solid GPU for gaming and work (virtual production)
Me, 2021: GTX1080 FTW lights on fire
Me, 2021: 💸
me christmass 2020 .... getting a 1440p monitor ... i will deal with lower settings with my 1060 6gb .... till the 3xxx series come so i can grab a 3060 or 3060ti ....3060ti comes out first day release in my country ...check prices with 500 euros in my hand ready to fire ..... 3060ti costs 1200 euros here ....well ...low details and 1060 6gb will do juuuuuuuust fine ! :P
Lucky, my friend stuck with a gtx 1650
Last year I bought a 2060 KO. I had never spent 300 USD on a GPU before, but somehow I was convinced to splurge on it. Nowadays a 1050ti costs the same amount (brand new, I assume you can find a better deal on a used one) and it seems like I really got myself a good deal back then.
The paradox is that somebody buying a lower end card probably needs that card to last longer than somebody in a position to buy higher end cards who is more likely to frequently upgrade. With that in mind, a lower end card without something like DLSS is a hard sell.
well, FSR does exist, but the 8x PCIe 4 and the memory speed and all that, yikes.
Unfortunately this is one of the GPUs that has the best chances to not be sold out in 2 microseconds, thanks to a shitty price similar to scalper prices for 5700 XTs... ooof, at least it's got RT...
Edit: scalper prices, except for a couple of gpus from Russia, are way worse than 400 dollars, never mind...
plus, someone on a budget will be looking at used cards as well hence making this purchase even less sensical.
Yep, still on my GTX970 which VRAM aside was a fantastic card for the time. As was the 1070.
With the new consoles out though, if you want a GPU to last the next 5-6 years or so, the 6800XT would be the one to get if it could be had for MSRP.
But with the crossgen period also being way longer this round with games still being developed around the base Xbox One, maybe I'll just play on low at 1080p for another year or two, because what's even the point if the games that'll actually leverage the new GPUs only come along when they're halfway through their lifecycle?
@@roundduckkira
-Will this be in stock?
-Yes
-What did it "cost"
-everything
It will be stock but that will be a shame, not achievement for AMD
@@roundduckkira The 8x pcie4 is probably the least relevant part of the criticism. That equates to 16x PCIe 3 and this card isn't going to saturate that.
All these 6600/6600XT videos have aged like milk xD.
I love the honesty Steve. This is why I keep coming back for all of your content.
I remember when mid-range cards cost around $199. Good times.
I remember when mid range cards cost around 150 +-50 and paying for the best which cost around 450 +-100 was seen as borderline insanity stupid.
Remember how titans were insanely priced? Now you get 3600, 3700 for that price...
: D can't believe RTX 3060 is much weaken than RX 5700 XT .xD.. RTX 3060 is like Real Garbage to older Gen RX 5700 XT....xD..........xP
I remember when doing my first DIY PC at the computer store, and seeing thousands of dollars cards in the display behind the cashier.
remember when house priced low? we are moving on into premium life, for those cannot afford is their issue with their salary, AMD don't give a fuck.
Looks like the 1060 won’t be dethroned as the most popular graphics card on the Steam Hardware Survey anytime soon.
1060 for ever!
;)
Sitting on a throne of skulls, gazing out over its kingdom forever.
Yeah, and I won't stop regretting I didn't buy that 1070 instead just because I like the number more. )
I have a 1070 Ti, good enough, but I still kick myself for not jumping in quick enough when 1080 Tis were being liquidated for around $450 a few years back.
: D can't believe RTX 3060 is much weaken than RX 5700 XT .xD.. RTX 3060 is like Real Garbage to older Gen RX 5700 XT....xD.......: P
Ironically this the most affordable and available GPU in the current market.
In my country 6600xt is about 20% cheaper than non Ti 3060 and its faster (mostly slightly) than nvidia. 3060Ti costs almost TWICE as this card so its not that bad as everyone is talking, at least 8 months ago.
Even scalpers don’t wanna buy this
@@ternedo6074 Good, others will benefit from that
It's below $300 now. Pretty good I'd say.
Just got a RX 6600 XT second hand for $270AUD. With the 3060 going for $500 plus here in aussie. I could not be happier with the 6600 xt!
So as I understand it, the part is still good but the prices are going down?
@@kingding9542 yep. Was very popular with crypto miners. And well... let's just say it costs more to mine than the worth of the coin. So people are "closing shop". A lot second hand gpu's out there. Although most of these would've been running 24/7. And likely to have been overclocked. So I wouldn't pay "premium" for these. Only get them if it's cheap aaaaas chips brew!
people thought amd is a company with nice prices, they love their customers, but they are not different than nvidia or intel, if they had the best gpus/cpus back in the time they would do the same shit like nvidia or like intel
Every corporation would, it's what makes them a corporation. More or less, at least - this, and indeed literally anything Nvidia has ever done, don't even come close to approaching the shit Intel pulled in the decade they had a monopoly. It's a difference of kind, not of degree. Beyond refusing to support that sort of monopolistic nonsense (wherein things stagnate entirely until someone forces you to stop selling the same thing at a new price every year), having positive feelings about a multi-billion dollar corporation is the kind of thing that should be associated with children who really like a certain superhero, not grown adults who think they're smarter than console owners.
AMD only did that because their products were shit and they needed customers. Now that their products are good and they have tons of customers... i'm not surprised that they went this route
Its almost like company's are not like people with feelings but rather are giant hive minds bent on one goal.
Go try convincing a bee's nest not to search for honey.
Its like this in every sector.
And it will be until revolution changes it.
Who is DUMB AF to think about that?
Like.... OF COURSE, AMD never cared about customers service, its a tech company, profit is that matters.
@@hicarodestrui You'd be surprised at how many people support companies like Intel, NVIDIA, and AMD like they're some sort of sports team, blindly defending everything their precious company does.
the fact that you guys have a compilation of gigabytes PSUs exploding is insane
That was an excellent video yesterday. My wife's ABS computer had one installed. I spent yesterday evening tearing it out and replacing it with the PSU out of my spare system. It's not worth the risk. I'll use it in a system that won't draw so much power.
where?
With flightsimulator available on xbox they might need to start being carefull.
When broke and into flight sims… the Pc is turning into an irrelevant overpriced headache…
I’m flying sim since forever… windows or macos whatever have always been the troublesome for no good reason item.
I would be shocked if there weren't a team of lawyers with dollar signs as eyes preparing a class action. Companies have been sued over way way less.
@@alistairblaire6001 with the excessively high % of failure AND how dangerous their failure are, I’m surprised that no governement entities stepped up and put some CEO in jails while waiting for complete recall.
If it can game modern titles at a locked 60fps at 1080p I'm sold. I don't need more than that.
forreal though
So wild to think that this was one of the worst budget cards and now it’s probably the best
and now its even better
yep
Me (Nov 2019): I'll pick up this RX580 for $160. That should do fine until next gen GPUs come out next year.
Me (2020): I can wait until the release of midrange cards.
Me (2021): Well, at least I won't be tempted to upgrade my 1080p 75 Hz monitor to 1440p any time soon.
I picked up an RX560 for my Linux rig and planned to have it on standby as a backup GPU when I managed to get a 6k series.
Ha. Ha. Ha.
Same. Literally the same story. Though I bought 580 slightly earlier and planned to pick up 6800XT - if it were at normal price.
But I can play at 1080p happily.
Similar with me. The difference is, I bought my RX 480 in 2016. I planned to upgrade in 2020. Yeah, about that ... just wait for 2021. So ... err ... yeah, no thanks.
Im really glad I got myself a 2080Ti for VR. While thos card already was bad value, this generation is just a cluster truck...
Bough a Vega 56 when my gtx 770 died, for 200€ ... with what happen next it's probably one of the best purchase i've done with pc parts.
Mid-range performance, premium price.
This isnt midrange performance. Mid-range is 3070ti-6700XT. This is entry level performance at best.
@@Anukinihun exactly 1080 is entry level, 1440p midrange and 4k is high end.Or so it should be.
*Premium price does not include scalper and miner taxes
@@syrynx4454 the entry level this gen is terrible. The 3060 and 6600XT are way too weak compared to their counterparts. The 3060 and 6600XT should atleast be 2080/2070 Super at 1080p but they aren't and aren't worth buying. Hope the rumors of Nivida making a 3060 Super that is 2080 Super performance is true
@UCs7bzRx44jRG-MhCDfxuEsw if this is entry then anyone not having an RTX 3080 is a fucking loser
this is easily midrange if it can easily run 1440p
15% increase in performance?
"We feel that 60 FPS was too small to target, so we targeted 69 FPS instead. Nice."
At least this gpu aged great, beats anything within the price range
The price of a mid-range card is getting close to double what I paid for my last couple GFX card purchases.
The price of a low end modern card is equivalent to enthusiast cards old prices
: D can't believe RTX 3060 is much weaken than RX 5700 XT xD.. RTX 3060 is like Garbage to older Gen RX 5700 XT....xD..........//
creeply joes 2015 called. They want you back
Are you accounting for inflation & the audience that needs GPUs today vs. back then? Pure gamers are competing with machine learners, crypto miners, creatives (especially right now being stuck at home), & other more sophisticated GPU users than back in the day.
@@creeplyjoes8828 its cheaper and we are comparing last gens best from Amd to next gens worst from Nvidia of course a top card from last year will be better than the lower priced next gen card not to mention that the 3060 is cheaper and more value
22:57 THANK YOU
Finally someone said it. They're making massive bank while blaming the current pricing on the shortage.
Drives me crazy when I point out the very best card you could buy was £350 not that long ago and all I get is excuses about inflation and market conditions...funny how everything else has gone up by around 10% since then but the top end card has gone up by 200%...even more funny how this sharp curve closely aligns with how much money these companies make. Like Steve says it's ok to make money, what's not ok is being a dick about it....
: D can't believe RTX 3060 is much weaken than RX 5700 XT .xD.. RTX 3060 is like Real Garbage to older Gen RX 5700 XT....xD.....,
Never let a good pandemic goto waste when there's money to be made. People will pay more , so why not charge more if they can.
How is it dead? because you guys supported it, you guys wanted it, the market wanted it, AMD just present it in the form that you guys wanted. When 5600x a 6 core 12 thread selling $299 MSRP, you guys did nothing to boycott the price. The market deserve this now. Nothing to complain the price.
@@bsh7390 Yep. That's how commodities work. Plus, "They're making massive bank" just ignores the fact that if AMD sells this card for $250, it just increases the scalpers' profit margin. GPUs are expensive because people are fine with the prices and I understand. $1000 for a GPU that will last you 4 years is roughly $20 a month, aka an insignificant amount of money for many of us.
Well, In this market, where a 3060 is $900 to $1000 and I've been playing for 10 years on a Nvidia 560 TI. The RX 6600 XT looks Amazing, infact it looks so good that it is the card I bought and at a $450 price tag I saved $550. now I know this isn't the way things were in the past but sadly we are living in the present and this is the way things are. AMD made a card that the scalpers were not interested in but a gamer, like me, could get his hands on if he was willing to eat cans of tuna for a couple of months to save up for the card.
Wow sadly this is still the case and in particular, my case. I'll bite the bullet and get the 6600XT because it is still way cheaper than the 3060 at least here in this local market. And things aren't looking great from what I hear from nvidia.
@@Christophe_L The 6600XT is better than the 3060 but not quite as good as the 3060 TI from what I've read, anyway, I just wanted to say I'm very happy with my 6600 XT it is a good card. I wasn't happy i had to get it to start with but after gaming with it I'm happy. I hope you enjoy yours
The mid-range should never be more than $250
To me, for $250 a GPU, I'd rather have a 3200G on hand.
@@Joshua_N-A lol ok...enjoy gaming at 720 30fps on medium then
@@sonicbroom8522 maybe he likes TF2
is that still realistic tho? we are living in very strange times, if bitcoin decides to explode once more and rise 50% in value people will pay 800 dollars for this card, and they will pay it gladly, because GPUs are a way to earn money. thinking a midrange GPU should cost 250 dollars might be ethically correct, but it is just not the world we live in anymore. for example lets say you own a 1050ti or a 1060 and want to keep gaming in FHD, a 6600xt is a good deal for 400 dollars given the market situation.
@@DennisGr I'd pay 400 easily but 700 in retail now 😳 what the actual *uck....
Well said Steve. It's good to have an advocate for us.
Thanks Steve!
Its good to have somebody who is actually taken seriously by major companys.
I'm so happy they are able to set up their channel where they don't have be kissing the big companies asses to keep the lights on.
: D can't believe RTX 3060 is much weaken than RX 5700 XT xD.. RTX 3060 now is like Garbage to older Gen RX 5700 XT....xD
: D We knew.. MSI is going to Do Scalping again.. as usual...lol, MSI.. Style You can call the The KING of Scalper..(Feeding their China_Boss Xi BigBig again)......................: P
Yep, mid-range is dead, and they killed it.
You've perfectly captured that feeling of exhaustion about the new graphics card of this generation. It's either going to be overpriced or you can't buy it.
Back in the day, that kind of bad value would make the release DOA. Literally everything will sell.
Exactly. As Steve said, what better deal you have currently when everything is out of stock or being scalped?
If you still have a PC and are happy, keep it. If not try to optimise it the best you can without spending money on new hardware.
If you must buy something, go if possible to the higher tier were performance per dollar spent is better. And try not to be too much scalped.
The MSRP could have been 100 lower and the street price would be the same, so I'm not going to complain about MSRP. I don't think these prices are good, and I'm not going to buy one of these even at MSRP, but I'm also not going to complain about it. Cards being close to or even more than double MSRP, that's the reality right now, and that's what I'm complaining about. I wish more people would have been patient and just not bought anything, waiting for prices to come down more before buying.
I bet they're loosing sleep because they didn't see this coming and sold the high end "too cheap".
I think it's more like we killed it. If we as customers wouldn't had bought all the overpriced cards since Turing, companies wouldn't be experimenting to see how far up they can raise prices. They keep jacking up the prices and we keep buying up all the supply.
: D can't believe RTX 3060 is much weaken than RX 5700 XT .xD.. RTX 3060 is like Real Garbage to older Gen RX 5700 XT....xD.........: PP
I’ve watched quite a few reviews on this card and Steve’s conclusion is the best of all.
I couldn’t find many reviews about the Fighter. Could you tell me something about the cooling system? Is it good enough? Due to the fact that it’s probably the most budget version of rx 6600xt I’m a little bit worried.
AMD is giving you the privilege of buying the RX 5700XT just a few years later for 20$ less of its release price but with slower VRAM due to the 128bit and slower bandwidth due to it only supporting 8X Pci-e sure it's fine if you use it on a gen4 device but it losses around 10-15% even more depending on the game if you pair it with a GEN 3 device it really is such amazing progress.
Yeah did they really not consider people might be using this card on pcie gen 3
@@Funlu They didn't care, they want you to upgrade that B450 board.... More sales for them.
@@andy816896 they similarly want x370 to die. I get it, but they shouldn't have promised that commitment when they launched this stuff lol
So this card “retails” about $20-40 cheaper than the 5700xt did and can only tie it. Real nice leap forward
the market is just so weird compared to 2019, i can see people buying these
and the 5700XT wasn't even great value until its price drop where it undercut the 2070 Super by $100
@@Walczyk That's the thing, I mean literally a 2060 it's more expensive than de 6600xt rn
It retails about that. In reality it will likely be 200-400 bucks more than the 5700xt in the good old times ;(
In 2019, AMD was competing against NVidia. Today, they’re competing against supply constraints and scalpers
Guess I'll stick to my 1070 for another year... or decade at this rate.
Same man. A 3080 would be the best upgrade but the prices are ridiculous...
Well i think at this rate its gonna be a decade
this card is horrible. THe 5700xt was 400 dollars at release. The 6600xt is also 380 dollars at release. Its basically a binned 5700xt. Horrible card. We wait an entire generation for a new gpu, and we get the same thing rebranded without a price decrease.
APU's will overtake that last reasonably priced gen mid range at this point...
Pascal cards aging like a fine wine
People must remember the Gen4 / Gen3 issues are even greater of a concern when you are talking the 8x bus these cards run on. If you run this on a older Gen3 platform that usually would be no problem with a 16x card like a 3060 but these being 8x cards take a much great hit on Gen3 systems. It's essentially the same bandwidth as very old Gen2 16x when you run this 8x card on Gen3 spec.
I have five of these 6600XT left and just yesterday finally replaced my last 2 B450 boards with X570 for Gen4 support and more M2 Gen4 slots. Great deals though, sold a Tomahawk B450 for $80 and bought a brand new Asus Tuf x570 for $80. Very little upgrade costs from selling off these older boards for newer. Granted some games have very little gains on Gen4. Sad they would make these 8x cards as they know plenty of people would pair these more budget ranged cards with older systems.
Sad to say this “bad value card” is the best valued card lol. I bought it I needed something to put in my rig.
you guys are getting SO much mileage out of that ONE intel presentation, that freakin rules, never let them live that down, ever. under any circumstances. if anything, make a video of just them saying "thanks steve" and have it up on your channel. instant billion views.
I miss "RAAAAAGE MODE! "
Intel is so cringe for real!
10 hours asmr, for studying
Nononononono! It can't be just "Thanks, Steve."
It's got to be:
- Back to you, Steve.
- Thanks, Steve. Back to you, Steve.
- Thanks, Steve. Back to you, Steve.
- Thanks, Steve...
You could also insert some other stupid moment in between Thanks and Back To You.
@@InfiniteDarkMass YOU CAN LITERALLY SEE IT
Steve: "We're gonna keep this one short"
Me: Checks the video length... That checks out.
: D We knew.. MSI is going to Do mass Scalping again.. as usual...lol, MSI.. Style You can call them The KING of Scalper..(Feeding their EV!!L China_Boss Xi BigBig again)
ngl thought you said: *checks the video length*...Thanks Steve
Pretty short compared to the 2-3 hour videos I usually watch haha :D
I understand Steve's issues - but in the market, I just found a new 6600XT that is £100 LESS that a 3060 - so it's a no brainer. I'm paying around 21% less for around 10% - 15% more performance. I looked into a 5600XT, and they were going to cost MORE than a 6600XT! (Lack of availability I guess) So it's made a great upgrade for my 580 👍
Same here, no way I'm paying way more for a 3060 that has worse performance. Upgrading from a RX 570 4GB myself so it's a nice step up!
I just bought the PowerColor Fighter for $399. Most 3060s are about $550 right now, so based on actual pricing, 30% more for the 3060 for at most 10% more performance or at least in the games I'm going through right now, and considering FSR2 and RSR (which WILL get better), the 3060 has nothing on the 6600 XT other than slightly better crappy ray tracing which I wouldn't use anyway until you're talking about mid range GPUs being able to run it while maintaining at least 90% the speed without it.
I think it's kind of why Wendell from level1 said it's about the best buy right now. Really the 6500 XT is the best buy when you can get a 2 fan config for $220. I mean that's half the cost of the 6600 XT, but I wanted something that's running high frame rates @1080p for this build.
@@Riko_KP i olso have rx 570 4gb Sapphire.And wont to upgrade but i wait for rx6650xt.
Aaaannnnndddd that's why companies do what they do..
@@aleksandardjukic1381 I'd buy whichever costs less. They have the same performance +/- 5% avg fps.
"That's what is known to scientists as 'a lot of percent'" - I'm glad you took the time to look up this fact Steve. Not many people know the technical term for that. Good job!
Steve: keeping it short
also Steve: 25 minute video
25 mins is short.
Ever watched Buildzoid, or a good documentary, explaining scientifically things?
also Steve: takes 8 mins to get the first chart, and it's thermals
I mean if you want the charts there’s google. I think you’re in the wrong place if all you want is charts.
remember when mid range cost 200 bucks
The won't even give us a 3050, they hate people who don't pay more than 300< buy a 3080ti peasant or die ~ Nvidia
Ohhhh I member!
@@sebastianrosenheim6196 yes bash nvidia on an AMD review to show off your tribalistic fanboyism
Remember when $200 in 1986 would buy what $496 will today?
I do.
@@digitalis2977 Midrange cards were half the price 5 years ago, not 35 years ago.
After several months I finally "won" a newegg shuffle and it was this card the Powercolor Fighter RX 6600XT. It was priced at MSRP which while still overpriced I reluctantly paid it since I've been forced to use a Radeon HD 4850 since last November when my then current card bit the dust unexpectedly. While ten plus year old games can still be fun I'm ready to get back to playing more modern fare.
If had bought 5 stocks from AMD back in those HD 4000 series days, you've had that RX 6600 XT for free now :) and they even paid for it :P.
@@anortherner you're part of why the prices are so high then.
@@larrythehedgehog no he is not. He is buying what he can and using it for what it is. There is a difference.
@@strength45 If you pay for something overpriced then it will continue to be overpriced. He is part of the problem
After having this card for two months now I can say that this card is okay at best. First off it has a bad coil whine in games that have uncapped frame rates on menus/loading screens. Train Simulator of all things is the worst in this regard (frames rate in the thousands! in loading screens) but was fixed by limiting the frame rate. I don't have the fan quirks that were shown in this video. The fans don't even turn on until the junction temperature hits 60 C where they run around 1350 RPM and goes up and down with the junction temperature. If the junction temperature drops to 54 C they turn off.
Control is the only raytracing game I own and it absolutely kills this card. It's the only game I have to run at 1080p and even then the framerate still drops into the 20s at times with raytracing on. Flight Simulator is also a rough one but it's still able to run it on ultra at 1440p over 30 fps most of the time. Other games that I have like Resident Evil 7, Forza Horizon 4, and GTA V can run over 100 fps on "ultra" settings although there's some stutter at times especially in Resident Evil 7. Not sure if that's due to my older CPU (Ryzen 2700X) or because I'm on a PCIe 3 motherboard.
I think under normal market conditions this card would be $250 or perhaps even less. At MSRP ($380 for this model) it is way overpriced and at the scalper's prices it's ridiculous.
I got this card for 270€, huge upgrade from RX 580.
Everything’s been sucky for the past 2-3 years and it doesn’t look any better for 2022. And it’s not just PC related, just everything in general. Bright side, Ramen Noodles on a styrofoam cup is still reasonably priced.
Yeah but the amount of salt in those things'll kill ya
tell me about it, i've been trying to get a grass trimmer for 2 months.........
@@shineymcshine Nah, if anything, we need more salt.
The bigger problem is that the long term effect of this would possibly be this inflation would permanently drive the tiered card prices up. It would be a shame to see future mid range offerings being offered at 400 dollars while high end market starts north of 1000. I fear these orgs have already realized for a fact that this exhorbitant leaching would still fetch them customers in the longer run even after the pandemic. So they will keep up this practice to stretch their yoy margins. The days of pc as master race seems to be on the verge of an end, even a console at 900 dollars makes way more sense at this point.
@@hoodeez LMFAO
As the miners start(rather have just started) selling their cards, nvidia shall yet again be sweating bullets.
@@Megalomaniakaal considering a massive piles of 30s card at their warehouse for not being able to sell, they sweating nuclear
Thanks for including the 970 and 1060 in your benchmark results! Also, a big thank you for calling out the massive profits and bullshit excuses on pricing increases made by these companies. Yes, I need to upgrade, no I’m not going to run out and buy this. The poor value offered by both AMD and Nvidia mean I’ll keep making do.
Except MOST of the pricing increases, aren't from NVidia, AMD or any of their suppliers. It's from greedy scalpers, retailers and etailers.... They're all watching sales trends and as long as idiots keep paying the ridiculous prices, those prices will continue.
And the 580!
Let’s be real: anything that stays in stock is probably not worth buying right now
Funny you should say that. Gigabyte GPU's always seem to be in stock. How strange. Hang on a minute ..... I can smell burning.
Intel CPUs seem to be plentiful.
Oh yeah I guess your points very valid.
@@TheWebstaff tbf amd CPUs are usually in stock also
Yup... the product has to be extra shit that no one in this market would want to buy it
@@TheWebstaff Dat fax hit hard.
RIP value PC gaming
:(
Hot damn I wish I could thumbs up twice. That segment at the end was scathing, entertaining, and sobering. Thanks Steve!
Given their behavior this past year, I really want to give the middle finger to both Nvidia and AMD. They’ve largely abandoned the mid range and budget segments, and I’m very much tempted to return the favor by buying from neither of those bastards.
Queue intel arc! AMD and nVidia were gracious enough to leave the low to mid segment to them this generation so they could make a viable entrance, or so it would seem. In no way are AMD and nVidia motivated by the fact that intel will be opening their fabs up for contracting and need the money, nope, no way, not at all, no.
Remember the RX480 and how it was specifically aimed as a good, VR ready, 1080p GPU "for the masses" at $199-$239 MSRP?
That was neat.
I remember I picked one up for £165 (at the time would of been about $230) that thing did me solidly until I was lucky enough to get a 3080
AMD 100% are capitalizing on the current GPU market with this price to performance point.
Meh not even close to a decent VR card
@@fshn4x4 it was 2017, 4 years ago, what do you mean?
@@1337Ox Very simple, it was totally insufficient for VR. Pretty obvious. I was an early adopter of the Vive and my GTX1080TI was adequate, an RX480 would make anyone nauseous in VR. GTX980TI was insufficient so an RX480 would have been unplayable
@@fshn4x4 Nah, it was pretty decent for the price.
Thank you for the consumer approach. I do get tired of the "won't someone think of the corporations" mind set some tech channels and the fanbase get into. It makes my skin crawl, these companies would literally throw you under a bus if they could figure out how to monetize it and square away the legal trouble.
COUGH COUGH linustechtips COUGH COUGH
@@Joze1090 sadly true. I still can remember the days when his primary pov was of the consumer.
This comment. I will copy and paste it everywhere. You're goddamn right.
so corporations are supposed to take the shit and just break even or even sell at a loss just to appease the poors? if you're a bum ass who can't afford something, then MAYBE, JUST MAYBE, don't buy it?? shocking idea eh?
@@sammylam1649 oh look, it's the "Think of the corporations" guy.
Some of us do still care, Steve. I'm not saying you're wrong for your reasoning, just giving you some hope. I still tear into people for willingly putting $800+ into a secondhand $399 card. Sure, the market is bad, but if consumers collectively grew a pair and refused to purchase absurdly overpriced graphics cards, manufacturers wouldn't keep increasing profit margins.
Greedy corporations !
I feel like its mostly retailers upping their profit margin according to "the market price", in Europe at least.
or maybe, stop being poor? shocking idea eh? i don't see you telling rolex buyers to "collectively grow a pair" and stop buying a watch for tens of thousands right?
@@sammylam1649 not comparable. Rolex produce exquisite, extremely limited edition watches, some of which are either one of a kind or use exotic materials.
Graphics cards are mass produced. There's no limited edition value, exotic material value or custom value.
Short and concise, your argument is both invalid and ignorant.
7:56 "Not _objectively_ bad, we're just trying to watch out for you, the customer."
Thanks, Steve. Now, back to you, Steve.
Looks like the ASP for these cards isn't ever going to get any lower,
Better start saving now so I can actually afford a mid-range card when my 960 dies
Yep the prices are getting out of hand, and not just the scalper prices
ASP? Average Selling Price?
I will just use my vega 56 until it dies at this point.
Back in the good old days when the 5700XT was cheap I kinda considered that but the gains were not significant enough.
@@alouisschafer7212 same with my 1070 Ti. Fuck these prices.
@@cunt5413 honestly though, what is the 1070ti not working for? I have a laptop with a 115W 1070, still playing all the games i actually play at med-low settings (high textures) at 1440p with 60+ fps. I want to build a pc, sure, but a 1070 is far from not good enough.
Gotta say that I'm sad about your decision about pressure testing, I found that specific part very interesting as it made me more aware of issues that could come with it and I enjoyed the content, but I do understand the reasoning.
As always, your content is great and I watch most videos, thank you so much for the insight into these cards.
Also, this is probably a very niche environment, but I'd love to get some data on how these cards fare on VR titles!
There is very little content on it and, if you think it's worth it, you could bring a set of new people to your videos by helping with this particular subject, even if it's just a short 10 to 20 seconds slide with a few metrics.
Thank you for all your work :)
It's very much appreciated and I learn a lot from it.
I'd love to do it too. Hopefully we can get back to it soon enough. We had done it a few times for these and just didn't get enough traction on some partner model reviews to justify the huge time investment.
@@GamersNexus I loved the pressure testing as well, but in the current market where actually finding a card at MSRP means so much more than pretty much everything else I think its good that you have focused on other things instead (Super excited for more PSU deep dives)
@@GamersNexus Totally understand it!! It's still your business and those tests take time and resources.
At the end of the day, if the crowd doesn't respond to it, nothing you can really do.
Hope the current endeavours workout!! (office and new machinery!)
Best of luck, I'm here for the long ride too ;)
: D can't believe RTX 3060 is much weaken than RX 5700 XT .xD.. RTX 3060 is like Real Garbage to older Gen RX 5700 XT....xD .......: X
@@GamersNexus I can completely understand this. No pressure (no pun intended... but whatever).
Sold my over 4 year old card to some miner and got the Sapphire Pulse 6600xt for little under 100€ more than what I got for the old one. Seems like a decent enough trade. Was thinking about 5700xt, but eh, 6600xt is more efficient while delivering more frames (in most cases anyway). Perfectly happy with that.
Which card you had ?
you have to realize that alot of ppl arnt upgrading from 30 series cards to a 6600 xt lol....like most of us have shitty gtx cards like 1650s and if you take that in consideration for example coming from a gtx 1650 a 6600 xt is massive esp for the price...
I have a 1060 6gb and am going to finally upgrade to this since they're in stock near me. Massive performance difference
Mid-Range is Dead! Long live Mid-Range! (Sincerely, my RX580)
Mid range is dead, long live Good Enough™! (Sincerely, my Vega 8)
@@paco4756 lol
With every mediocre GPU release I am more and more happy about the GPU I have.
I can't say the same about my intel HD 520
Hell yeah me too.
Vega 56 go brrrr
Unless my MSi GTX 1080 GamingX dies in the next year or two for whatever reason, I won't give a single damn about the current generation from any of the two brands. They're all skippable to the extreme.
I couldn't be happier with this Pascal gem (still good performance at 1440p, great low noise, good temps, no coil noise whatsoever, looks really great IMO... it's all there). It's future replacement will have to be a similar amazing good card for decent money and with stupid bonkers >2x better performance. Otherwise, I'm good, thanks.
@@MAXLD haha gtx 1080 is trash for 1440p. even 1080 ti, which is way faster than 1080 non-ti, feels dated for 1440p gaming... 3080 is like 3 times as fast as 1080 lol or 4 times with dlss enabled on quality mode. 1080 was left in the dust years ago. even rtx 2060 smashes 1080 these days.. can't stop laughing at people like you, that thinks a 4 year old gpu is still considered anything else than low-end. it's a 1080p solution at best in 2021, sorry if truth hurts. i replaced my 1080 ti with a rtx 3080 and it was a night and day upgrade. paid 715 dollars on release, got it a few days after. then i sold my 1080 ti for 500 dollars when priced raised... my 3080 costed me like 200 dollars 😂 plus i have mined coins with it.. asus tuf oc, cool and quiet, 65 degrees with oc and zero coilwhine, fans never ramp up higher than 1400 rpm = can't even hear it... and fan stop below 60 degree... best card i have ever had.
I feel perturbed seeing my RTX 2060 at the bottom of most of the charts.
Why do we keep pretending that MSRP means anything in 2021? This card is cheaper than the 3060 where I live, and it's also in stock...
It's also better than a 3060 😊
@@camotech1314 exactly, despite the rather high MSRP, in today's reality it's actually the best value card in the market
@@ferez1985 yup I totally agree, even though it has gone up in price since launch because of the miners. Now most value card is probably the 6600.
A small thing to keep in mind: this card is only x8 PCIE bandwidth so it will have a slightly better performance on PCIE gen.4 vs gen.3. You only tested on a gen.3 motherboard.
AMD's like: 'Look at me, I'm the scalper now!' xD
Nvidia did the same with the RTX 3080 Tie
They are apparently not actually making very much at all on these, and are not going to be selling very many, at least for now.
: D can't believe RTX 3060 is much weaken than RX 5700 XT .xD.. RTX 3060 is like Real Garbage to older Gen RX 5700 XT....xD.......: P
look at the fanbois with no gpu and FHD as their only option....talk as if this GPU isnt AMD saying we can produce this way more than any current GPU in the market period but kiddos want to cry about how they can buy a 1660 super for 300$+ instead? While getting 5700xt performance for less and 160wTDP as well as the thermals that come with it. Ive owned a 2080ti/5700xt strix, tuf evo/3070 FE and a 3070strix as well as some laptops. 5500xt and 1660 is like laptop potential. Expecting this 6600xt to cost less when its essentially the "next-gen" console gpu variant to pc. Is just not going to happen in the state of fabs in 2021 and amds bottom line with cpu/gpu/apu/hedt and consoles
@KingOfGorillas lmao i run a 3070 Strix and a 2070s max q in laptop, i call it the next gen gpu bc its essentially pci-e 4.0 x8 and what theyre running in those things(consoles). PPl are paying for that to put it in a PC at a major price premium. The wafers are easier to produce than 6800 or other rdna2 cards so amd will produce more inherently. Im not happy about amd plus theyve never been the breadwinner in the software/support spectrum ive owned 7990 as well for 300$. Id know AMD has always been "expectations" Even for bf2042 even if a 3060 is slower than a 6600xt Id still take nvidia lower some settings and still have dlss as an option that aside i can run nvidia reflex and g-sync.
I really hope Intel will pull a Ryzen with their graphics cards.
: D can't believe RTX 3060 is much weaken than RX 5700 XT .xD.. RTX 3060 is like Real Garbage to older Gen RX 5700 XT....xD..........: PP
They have to. They have buy goodwill with customers by competitive prices.... then as they get market share they'll increase the pricing
Wouldn't that be something. It's already grin-inducing to realize the "most bang for reasonable bucks" setup is AMD on the CPU side but nV on the GPU side. It would be ironic AF if Intel ended up providing graphics chips for AMD-powered laptops.
@@creeplyjoes8828 the 3060 is a low-mid end card. The rx is a mid-high end card. Why are you comparing these?
And heres me sitting on an 7 year old R9 290X praying that its gonna hold out for longer till this crazy market stabilizes.
"We'll keep it short." Still 25 minute video. Never change, GN
3:35 With each edit, it only makes Steve Stronger.
Back to you Steve!
Thanks Steve.
: D can't believe RTX 3060 is much weaken than RX 5700 XT .xD.. RTX 3060 is like Real Garbage to older Gen RX 5700 XT....xD........ : P
Someday AMD will realize that the fanboy cult behind them has been trusting them mostly because of the bang for buck they have been known to offer. They will realize... Someday...
There's also the Linux crowd
well in the CPU space they currently can get away with high prices because Intel isn't able to compete in the R7-R9/i7-9 range. NVIDIA definetely can compete in the high range segment so that's where a cheap(ish) card would make sense because NVIDA has nothing in that area
Maybe next gen, cough. Every card after the initial launch of the new generation has had bad performance/price ratio, for AMD and Nvidia... great times
Their actually pretty aware i feel. They've used it as a marketing stick before even. Miss you is they care about their stock prices and they're stock holders, not us.
does it? If this was an Nvidia card the comments would be 10 times more negative
AMD has tons of loud rabid fanboys
Those stabs in direction of Gigabyte are hilarious. For me, the benchmark numbers are mostly uninteresting, as I’ll probably buy the next GPU when my 1070 dies of old age in 10 years or so, but the sarcasm and roasting of bad products (which these deserve) gets me back here. It’s always bringing my a smile :)
AMD actually delivered on the price, I'm impressed
Really, what card? Here in Canada at least, all the aibs are selling the 6600 xt right between 6700 xt and 6800 price, exactly in the middle, compared to the prices on AMD direct, and there's no amd 6600 xt. So you can either save like 60 bux and get 6700 xt or add 60 and get a 6800
@@Rspsand07 as a canadian i would love to see where the 6700 is cheaper I cant find one even if my life depended on it
@@xmxhmxtx Amd direct. He said amd delivered on the price for the 6600 xt. There's no AMD model, so I was asking which AIB he's seen at AMDs alleged price. They were all between the 6700 xt and 6800 in price here at the time. There's some that are a bit cheaper, and some that are way more expensive now. CC has one for $969.
>that rant at the end
This is exactly why I trust your team and Point anyone who's tech curious to this channel.
That being said, I know you're normally fairly stoic, I'd love to see some legit anger from you guys once in a while railing at this crap these companies are doing.
Cheers guys, if your team is ever in my area. Beers are on me.
If I were conspiracy minded I would say that the 6600XT is actually just a relabled 5700XT. THe stock performance is so close as to be functionally identical.
Couldn't they make more money selling 5700XT?
@@BlackJesus8463 I paid less than the MSRP of the 6600XT for my 5700XT
@@BlackJesus8463 noup 6600xt is cheaper to make. If 5700xt would be released again… it would be more expensive than 6600xt… somewhere between 6600xt and 6700xt. All in it would be more expensive that it was two years ago…
: D can't believe RTX 3060 is much weaken than RX 5700 XT .xD.. RTX 3060 is like Real Garbage to older Gen RX 5700 XT....xD..........: P
Except that RX6600XT is only PCIe 4.0 x8....unlike RX5700XT....so, you'd have to be a complete idiot to believe it's just a rebrand.
"Thanks Steve" clips will never get old. Hilarious.
the best described situation on the market. Everything we think was said in 8 minutes.
Sad Caveman Steve - "No one cares, they'll buy it anyway."
I hear you, I'm slowly coming to terms that the 5700xt I bought back in 2019 may be my last GPU.
: D can't believe RTX 3060 is much weaken than RX 5700 XT .xD.. RTX 3060 is like Real Garbage to older Gen RX 5700 XT....xD.......:O
@@creeplyjoes8828 the 3060 is a low-mid range card... And the 5700xt is a mid-high end card... Yes the 5700xt is faster, it's not some huge revelation... The 1070 is faster than the 1660... Isn't that a shocker? No not really, same shit.
I bought a 5700xt in March 2020 with money from a cancelled vacation. I felt like it wasn't the best purchase then, but after a few months I realized I missed the crisis by just that much.
You too, huh Leif?
Sell that 5700XT and buy two 6600XT. Or just one and have money left over.
When I got my GTX 980 Ti (OC-ed & WCed) for 750 Euro back in 2015, I thought it was fairly expensive, but by 2021 standards, it's still an amazing deal after six years.
Yes, that is the very definition of 'stagnation'.
I feel same about 1080 Ti. Paid £730 for it.
I wish I kept my 1080 Ti Strix..
Buying a 5700xt (ASUS TUF: the thermonuclear version) two years ago for a whopping 330€ seems like a massive steal in this market.
And I did upgrade it so the memory temps wouldn't resemble ITER.
Also have two secondary PC's... one with rx380 and another with rx480 and seems like there is literally no point in upgrading those. They still play well.
So I only have one complaint about this video. You guys are consumer focused, but I haven’t seen you talk about the recurring issues many users have with ULPS on AMD cards in the videos for the 6000 series. I got a 6600 XT (upgraded from an RX 480 because it won’t keep up anymore) thanks to these videos; and the RTX availability for 2070 supers & 3070s not allowing me to get one. That and the 6700 XTs and 3070s are priced 3-400 above MSRP, while the 6600 XT is only 160-180 above MSRP. So the value statements in the video got turned on their head. Unfortunately, I had to do Reddit and google digging to find out why both 6600 XTs that I bought and exchanged were making my monitors not wake up after shutting off, and flickering random colors during gaming. AMD fundamentally undermines their own stability by enabling ULPS by default when you install drivers for their cards. This issue has effected their entire line for multiple generations now, and IMO, a consumer-focused channel should include that info in reviews when the RTX hasn’t had comparable stability problems.
how did you fix this? I just ordered one and I hope to fix this issue if mine does it
This gpu aged like fine wine lol
It feels like games have continued to get harder to run at the same rate while GPU advancement has completely stagnated. It’s getting really hard to get excited about new releases when you need to drop so much money to run them at higher resolutions...
I am actually thinking about building my first gaming pc. I guess my timing maybe the worst ever. How do people afford this hobby? 4K?
Not only that but modern games are literal trash as well.
@@mr.t3782 you build it in parts so you start small and build up each month i don't think many people can buy a 6K+ setup
@@mr.t3782 i really would recommend waiting for the market to calm down mate. I barely spent over 400 on my first pc and im still using the GPU in it and gaming happily , six years later.
Gaming consoles just make PC hardware pricing look absolutely stupid right now.
The Series X APU is probably a similar power to the 6600XT - more powerful if anything - combined with a 3700X. Yet the whole console is just $120 more than the MSRP of the GPU by itself.
The whole current state of the GPU market is basically like paying launch MSRP for the 7800GTX a year after the Xbox360 came out. Which nobody did back then even when the 360 was new. PC Gaming was a tiny niche compared to the consoles until the 8800GT came along and made it something people could buy into.
This will become the new norm for GPUs. Things will never revert back to the way they were five years ago, these companies are too greedy.
Yeah. But then again everything in Asia is moving at a snail's pace. Most Asian electronics producing companies countries are still fighting new covid cases and the latest variants are freaking people out.
@@nicholasjoseph9062 Fear mongering at its best. We needed a risk assesment back in 2020 on covid but doing that would relinquish the fear hold on the world populace. So for now...here we are...our ancestors would kick us in the butt.
Another year my rx580 has to pull through.
I remember the good old days, when you could get great price to performance, for 200 or less, and when 400 was the, "high end".
i got my 580 at 160 in 2019, right before the crypto boom, i hate crypto so much, actual animals in the shape of people
@@flaviomolina7165 the price is ok now. its back under $300. i bought mine for only $250
One year later. Got a PowerColor RX6600 for $204!
Love to see that my RedDevil 5700xt is still holding strong, no need to upgrade until the 6800xt gets back down to MSRP.
*if it will)
$380 starting sounds like a big oof
Totally. But in today's market? It'll sell and that's the point.
At least it's a realistic RRP for the current market.
Bear in mind RRP might as well be imaginary anyway. While fab supply vs demand is so constrained, Radeon needs to sell at a premium to be worth AMD letting it have 'any' capacity next to Ryzen.
Maybe supply will equalise more in 2023 when new fab facilities come online maybe - then larger profits can be had from the larger volume sales of servicing the 200-300 price point instead of letting resellers get a monopoly of that pie. Until then, maybe I'll take up origami or crocheting or something.
@@rokku87 They could also sell it at $500 probably.
*Keep in mind*
These benchmarks were done BEFORE ReBar was activated, and older drivers.
*As of right now*
The 6600xt with Resize on, in a gen 4 slot can indeed BEAT the 3060 ti in some titles now, and be very close otherwise. It is very important to note this.
oh so thats why everyone hated it at first
That "thanks Steve" clip gets me every time, I about lost it when Wendell did it.
Thanks for that review GN, its good to have someone who doesn't go this "The price is high because" mentality.
: D We knew.. MSI is going to Do mass Scalping again.. as usual...lol, MSI.. Style You can call the The KING of Scalper..(Feeding their EV!!L China_Boss Xi BigBig again)................................... xxxD
I'm still running an i5 2500k + rx 570. For the most part, all of the newer pc games that interest me are indie or less demanding games like Hades, Ori, Dead Cells, etc. which my system can still can hand no problem. The one "demanding" game that I've been eyeing is RE Village, and I've seen it running respectably on hardware similar to mine.
Same. Been stuck with a 3570k and a 1050 for a while now and it's more than enough. Been on a binge of older or less demanding games like The Sims 3, Fallout 1, 2, & NV, Skyrim Special Edition, and Minecraft so I haven't had any issues running any of them. Only game that I play that puts strain on it is No Man's Sky, but even then I play it every few months.
For me, most games I play can't go over 60fps lol (Terraria, Streets of Rage 4, Yakuza 3-5, etc) I expect to rock my 1070/4690k for another year or two. Or three plus xD
only upgrade as is necessary.
Wow! The 6600XT has 5700XT performance at the same exact price! Isn't progress great? :^)
My thoughts exactly
Counting inflation... yes XD. Same price means ever so slightly cheaper.
Considering the current state of the market I'd say this is progress
What's impressive about the 6600 XT is performance per watt, though for most buyers that one doesn't really matter.
I was waiting for the earnings calls to really point out who the opportunists are at the expense of consumers, not surprised by the results! Vote with your wallets or be prepared to have this experience in future generations.
: D can't believe RTX 3060 is much weaken than RX 5700 XT .xD.. RTX 3060 is like Real Garbage to older Gen RX 5700 XT....xD ........: X
It doesn't really matter what MSRP is... It's likely going to be priced in the $500+ range anyway.... At most sites, graphics card prices are still way above MSRP.
@@creeplyjoes8828 the 3060 is a low-mid end card. The rx is a mid-high end card. Why are you comparing these?
I'm just kind of sad that AMD is shooting themselves on the foot with this card especially, maybe even with the Ryzen 3 chip prices before. They know, we know, everyone knows they will sell. But the image of "hey lets show the competition how good business is done" is quickly washing away.
too true :(
How are they shooting themselves? They will sell every card they make the current market price for a used rx 580 is over $300. It sucks, but it is where demand is.
Anyone who believed that was being incredibly foolish. Consumer friendly AMD was always just a way to spin their inability to compete.
@@strangestecho5088 well lets put it like that: Nvidia is an absolute asshole of a company and actually quite incompetent in some regards while AMD just gets shit done and sells well priced parts.
The inability to compete is a myth of the past.
@@strangestecho5088 Yeah. Expect the same to happen with Intel GPU. First one will be a good performance for buck to get foot in the market. Then they will do what Intel does, milk every dollar.
1440p at 60fps is totally fine. I’d like to point out that most TVs and monitors people have currently still only use 60fps. That will quickly change as most monitors sold support 120htz but TVs haven’t caught up in most cases.
I took some time and thought about it, I saw a 6600 xt for 280 and I went for it. Yesterday. This will be an upgrade for me coming from a RX 470 8gb. Cheers.
...just about spit out my coffee when that intel "Thanks Steve" clip hit.
: D can't believe RTX 3060 is much weaken than RX 5700 XT .xD.. RTX 3060 is like Real Garbage to older Gen RX 5700 XT....xD........zD
You guys should really make a GN t-shirt with "Thanks Steve" somewhere on it. Provided Intel doesn't try some silly copyright claim.
Please do a rendering performance test with video editing and CAD softwares🙏 you're doing great work. Thank you for such detailed reviews of everything.
Well I didn't know that the 3060ti is an example of stagnation. Similar performance to the 2080 for 300$ less (MSRP of course...)