I don't see the point of this asinine comment. Have you seen any of new content? He looks broken and high as a kite due to painkillers. We ought to learn something from such tragic outcome instead of cracking braindead jokes
My God, Ronnie’s pain tolerance is unworldly. I feel so bad that he went through so much for the fitness community. Thanks for another awesome video Doctor Chris.
You shouldn't feel bad for anyone who makes the choice to hurt themselves. Ronnie is not a victim. He was given the right advice but chose to ignore it. Being the best bodybuilder, the world had ever seen was more important to him than taking care of himself. He is pushing 60, is severely crippled, yet he won't stop lifting weights. The man should be banned from every gym in the country for his own good. He needs to stop and save what little mobility he has left.
I had a coworker that said ronnie would sometimes show up at his gym in the Dallas area sometime around 2005-2010. He said he saw him go to do a heavy squat set, and before he did he took a bunch of toilet paper out of his gym bag, rolled it up and put it in both nostrils. After he did his squat set, the toilet paper was soaked in blood
I've had disk material removed twice myself, and it fixed months of unbearable pain and extremely limited range of motion immediately. I walked home from the hospital the same day. Did some very light training, mostly walking and gentle movement, and since then I've taken up heavy training, but without ego lifting and ignoring signals. Sometimes you gotta chill for a while, and sometimes you have to seek help. You just can't push through when something is broken.
I don't want to offend Ron, he's a legend admittedly, but his actions are pretty moronic. He could've avoided most of this if he quit doing super heavy backsquats and deadlifts. Also saying that he needed to sacrifice his health to this extent in order to win is false too since there are a ton of other mister Olympias or Close competitors like Jay Cutler who have mostly just got the side-effects from steroids and are still kicking in the gym even today..
You have to live it. If you have ever lifted heavy, you would understand. You know how must drugs get worse with time? The effects dull and the high is no longer a high? Well lifting is the opposite. When i hit 185 on bench, the weight of a grown man, i was floored. When i hit 225, i almost cried in joy and rage. When i hit 275, i hopped up faster than i have ever and was about to kiss my friend on the lips. And i know when i hit 315, the feeling will only be better. Im natural, and hate druggies and weak/unimpressive people who are on steroids. I hate drugs. I will do whatever it takes to get to a 5 plate bench. Ill take the tren, ill take the estrogen blockers. Id love to get there natty, and it might be possible, but if its not, im hopping on gear.
@@dogdicer1153 Erm, taking tren and estrogen blockers, is pretty much exactly the same as taking steroids, they are both performance enhancing drugs that mess with your hormones. You are not what I would call 'natty'
Jay's approach to training might have not had the same result for Ronnie. Its impossible for a guy who trained professionally for decades to never have tried a different method. He most likely figured out what worked best for his body.
Thank you doc for such a detailed analysis. Even though I'm not a bodybuilder, your lecture was so well done I can use this lesson in my everyday life and hopefully avoid injury.
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Chiropractors are quacks. Told me my back pain & debilitating sciatica was from a herniated disc in my spine when it was actually from arthritis (bone on bone) in my knees.
Ronnie is incredible…. I can’t wrap my around the fact that kept working that hard though all that pain. Obviously there was a cost but There’s something to be said about that level of determination
@@jasonvoorhees5640 have you watched the documentary he made for Netflix? He did all that to support his family. He put himself and his body through hell and still had a regular job to make sure all his family was set. I’m not into steroid use but I can’t knock this man’s hustle
@@jmain7863 Yea and look where he is at now... I'd rather have a regular job and not be as famous or rich and have my health. and I'm sure the roids didn't help. Good luck with your life.
He had pushed his body super hard, it's amazing to see what he pushed his body to do. The issue comes in when you push past the limit of what the body can physically handle. I've done that before and suffered from it, so I stopped doing that to avoid the pain he is going through.
Romans 3:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God Hebrews 9:28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and to them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin to salvation. Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. John 3:18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son. John 3:16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. James 2:17-18 In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead. 18 But someone will say, "You have faith; I have deeds." Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by what I do. Acts 17:30 In the past God overlooked such ignorance, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent. 2 Timothy 2:19 Nevertheless, God’s solid foundation stands firm, sealed with this inscription: “The Lord knows those who are his,” and, “Everyone who confesses the name of the Lord must turn away from wickedness.” John 3:5-7 Jesus answered, “Amen, amen, I say to you, no one can enter the kingdom of God without being born of water and Spirit. What is born of flesh is flesh and what is born of spirit is spirit. Do not be amazed that I told you, 'You must be born from above. ' (All humans have sinned except for the Holy Son of God that have lived a human form and became the sacrifice for the sins of those who believe in him. And also those who believe should repent, turn away from there sins and shall change into more like him. And everyone who follow Christ should be born again, that means you should change the way of your life and be born again.) I will spam this to comments sections so that many will know about Gospel and please read it. .,.,.,.,.,
Man, as I continue watching this video… I want to be respectful… but Ronnie Coleman sounds like he has some psychological issues to destroy his body the way he has for some medals and trophies
@@LiveRaidei dedication comes with sacrafice, what were dedicated too, and what we would sacrafice for it is different for everyone. For many its family, or god, others have more niche things.
Ronnie Coleman is a legend, but his life so far is also a cautionary tale what you shouldn't do. I am amazed and horrified at the same time what he endured during his workouts.
@@stclairstclair well he's not dead yet. Plenty of time to degenerate further.. Point is, he accomplished a lot, but at the cost of his body. I wouldn't be surprised if he winds up paralyzed. He has to have some sort of neurological disorder as well... To ignore every injury and continuing to do what caused it is insanity. He got lucky to be honest. His story could easily be he gets paralyzed in 1998 and never amounts to the greatness. Only to serve as a reminder to take care of yourself and train safely.
@@JLUX100 Everything to do with his training. He even says so. Injury after injury + AAS allowing him to recover faster and masking the issues. He had chronic pain throughout his career and never sought to address it directly.
@@mdc123-v2v no much of an issue with his training as it was an issue with neglect. He had injured his back many times and never really did anything about it. Obviously, squating 2million lbs doesnt help either lol
The only time I ever heard a chiropractor tell a patient that the course of treatment was completed was the day he found out that the patient's insurance limit had been reached.
I was at a chiropractor and they had booklets of all kinds of disease.. they could fix everything, even cancer.... It was at that point I knew I was at the wrong place.
I don’t know if chiropractor are good or bad but I will tell you my experience. My daughter was a gymnast and had a back injury. We went to a doctor and he said she was fine. We went to a chiropractor to see if we could find a way to get rid of the pain. He looked at the x rays and said he wasn’t going to touch her and take her to a doctor. We found a specialist and she had broke her back.
@Bas Hartman look into the creator, the original first chiropractor.. he could heal deafness with adjustments.. No snake oil here. Only chiros I'll ever see is if they're also physical therapists
@@xentiment6581I wonder how much of the blame can be placed at how bodybuilding started to overvalue mass vs aesthetics. In the “golden years” when Arnold was making a name, they focused as much on the latter as the former, and you didn’t see guys with these cartoonishly large physiques. I’d imagine not having to focus on building so much mass led to less intensity and therefore less stress on the body, relatively speaking. I’m just speculating though. But a lot of the bigger names from those days are still around and you don’t seem to hear about them having quite as extensive issues. But I only have a very surface-level interest in the sport, so I may be mistaken.
I'm not a medic nor a content creator, but I just want to compliment this channel for the amount of shout outs whenever using other people's information/video footage, this is a level of honesty I have never seen before in any other channel! What a great channel, I love it! Congrats on the good work Doc!
@@ChrisRaynorMD there's a scammer trying to get people using your picture but not your name and everything you'll see my picture in the comment look on there and you'll see that person.
I was going down Ronnie's road on a smaller scale. I was constantly working out through pain. One day, I decided to reduce my ego and go a totally different direction. I decide to put mobility and flexibility as a priority above raw strength. It made all the difference and changed my entire approach to fitness forever.
Smart move, we are young for a short time but old for a long time. I find the whole notion of body building being linked to the health & fitness industry is a sham. How can the use of large non medical steroid use & over straining of weight training be healthy for latter life. Tbh shows like Rx Muscle who promote steroid abuse should be scrutinized as to whether they should be on RUclips.
Romans 3:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God Hebrews 9:28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and to them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin to salvation. Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. John 3:18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son. John 3:16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. James 2:17-18 In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead. 18 But someone will say, "You have faith; I have deeds." Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by what I do. Acts 17:30 In the past God overlooked such ignorance, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent. 2 Timothy 2:19 Nevertheless, God’s solid foundation stands firm, sealed with this inscription: “The Lord knows those who are his,” and, “Everyone who confesses the name of the Lord must turn away from wickedness.” John 3:5-7 Jesus answered, “Amen, amen, I say to you, no one can enter the kingdom of God without being born of water and Spirit. What is born of flesh is flesh and what is born of spirit is spirit. Do not be amazed that I told you, 'You must be born from above. ' (All humans have sinned except for the Holy Son of God that have lived a human form and became the sacrifice for the sins of those who believe in him. And also those who believe should repent, turn away from there sins and shall change into more like him. And everyone who follow Christ should be born again, that means you should change the way of your life and be born again.) I will spam this to comments sections so that many will know about Gospel and please read it. .,.,.,.,.,
@@uchihaobito1601 If your religion attracts people simple minded enough to be influenced by off topic walls of spam, leave me out of it. Why anyone of value would want to be in the middle of a circlejerk of rubes is beyond me. Have fun advertising to the dregs of society, I guess
Oh my god he's 58. Only 58. I know he did what he loved with what seems like no regrets, but the thought of being so debilitated at that age is terrifying. My father is 61 and runs 10 miles between 4 and 7 times a week. I couldn't imagine him being permanently on crutches
Yeah but many people also are in crutches and barely walk at 58 without ever training daily or becoming world champions. His youth injuries alone could have lead to this condition. He managed to push through it and succeed.
Dunno chief. Many people are in worse situations without ever achieving anything. Ronnie risked it all for his vision of dominance. He got it. Being debilitated or not is probably a non factor in legacy. I understand most people don’t think this way. But for others, sacrificing the body is worth greatness. What else is he going to use his body to do? Grow old and die?
@@jazzad I would dispute your claim that “many” at his age are in crutches. But let’s assume there are many. He purposely did this to himself. He was warned by doctors and of course he ignored them. So he took his body beyond what it could do because gear gives you a distorted grasp of the body’s limits. When you push it past those limits, past the limits your body signals you with acute pain, because you think you’re being dedicated Mother Nature has a way of being a harsh teacher of her lessons.
As a fellow physician, thanks for taking the time to educate and inform the audience, being respectful takes you a long way, I will do my bit on my area once I get tenure. We need more educated people to speak up on relevant or topics of interest to the public, the alternative is to have people with no education on the subject, spreading misinformation as their opinions. This has incredibly negative effects on our society. Thank you Chris.
I appreciate that! I completely agree with you. While I am not an academic physician, I love to educate (having a BEd as part of my pre-med path). Since research is not my focus I have to find alternative avenues to approach the topic of education. RUclips and social media have proven to be excellent platforms from which to do this. And while many academics may scoff at the informal nature of this education, the analytics of my reach do not lie. Remember this as you progress in your career. Use the power of this platform to get your message out. Hopefully, one day we can meet and we can talk about this conversation!
@@ChrisRaynorMD even though social media has caused some if the greatest misinformation and propaganda, it has also been the catalyst and medium for some education that I would say in some ways is even sometimes superior to traditional education! And I have all the respect for achedemia as someone thinking of going into it somewhat.
@@ChrisRaynorMD especially in your field, like, what is there about surgical medicine that is to be lost through social media???? I mean I have seen problems with other fields like politics and theoretical physics where there is some relatively more obvious reasons for narratives to form and misinfo to be spread. But again, what about your field? Like why don't they like it. I don't see any alternatives in the public sphere teaching about these things, but then again I'm not into these things so maybe I just don't know.
I survived ego lifting in my 20’s trying to show up others in the gym. In my 40’s it’s all about maintenance now because at the end of the day no one cares about how much you lift. I really appreciate the effort these pros put on their bodies to show us what is possible, but the price you pay is high. 🏋🏽♀️
I started lifting at about 30. Considering how much more of an idiot I was in my 20s I feel lucky to have started this late. I still push myself but my strength goals are very conservative, and I plan to go into maintenance mode soon. I'll then probably spend less time in the gym and more doing other stuff.
I'm in the same boat. I was a small kid so weight training helped me overcome some shyness and feelings of low self worth. In my 20's and 30's I got a lil nuts, going after personal bests and such. Now in my mid 40's I still work out but I'd much rather jog and walk trails than sling weights!
I think commercial gym level ego lifting and volume doesnt reach the diminishing returns ronnie was met with in his training. I go very heavy well into my 30s and plan to into my 50’s+ focusing on good technique and listening to my body. Like you, As i get older ill just put more emphasis on recovery and volume but not abandon strength goals altogether. But who knows life can change so quickly 😂
Everyone has natural potential without steroids. Many will never know what that potential is however. Professional body builders have turned the sport into a joke bc of steroid use.
I find it more impressive when people lift 8-10 reps with good form, full range of motion and maybe a half or cheat rep at the end to truly go to failure. This is when you know muscle is going to be built, strength improved, while remaining injury free
I think it's interesting that gym culture went from "no pain no gain" to the more scientifically aware culture it is today. If you ask me, Ronnie was just a product of a wider gym/bodybuilding culture. The man did great, but also paid a great price. If nothing else, his hard work is definitely to be admired - just maybe not to the level of self destruction. Great video!
@@messedupjoey It's easy to judge someone in hindsight. We don't know what he was battling with in his head. His life is bodybuilding, and maybe he was deluded enough to believe that he could push through anything. We all make mistakes.
No pain no gain still applies today...but the only good pain is getting in that extra rep or pushing yourself. If someone literally hurts then yea you're doing it wrong and you're going to seriously get injured.
@@SisypheanRoller i mean, he kinda did push through it all. He paid the price for pushing through, but he was the greatest man on earth at his passion for nearly a decade. If he thinks it was worth it, then it was worth it
@@Blessed_V0id The "poor man" I was referring to was Ronnie, the subject of the video, and his poor physical condition (he cannot walk without crutches). I wasn't calling YOU poor.
I swear my own discs compress a little everytime I hear Ronnie respond to a diagnosis of his shattered spine with "I went to the chiropractor and then two weeks later squatted 600" Man lifted some insane weight, but also took the screws out of his head and had to have them put in his back.
this made me laugh. But in truth, I'm grateful to have witnessed Ronnie in his prime. Even to this date no bodybuilder has exceeded what Ronnie brought to the stage.
@@oscarlove4394 Dr. Raynor has many videos on his channel talking about chiropractors. The tldr; best case.. Temporary relief. Worst case? Death or paralyzation. Think about this: how does every movie trope portray breaking someones neck? Now think about what chiropractors do.
I'm an " old school" gym gal and competed as a BB for a few years. I'm now 67 and I had a hip replacement and both of my rotator cuffs repaired. I am full of arthritis as well. I go to the gym 3 times weekly and of course I don't train heavy at all. There are quite a few exercises that I can not do any longer. Everyone tske care! I'll have to talk to my son who is also a lifter.
I'm a couple of years older than Ronnie, and also from the "no pain, no gain" era. I did a lot of stupid stuff playing football/rugby and in the Army, and the stupid things I did then are catching up to me (though thankfully not as bad as for Ronnie). So to the young guys- listen to Dr. Raynor. Don't try to "tough it out." When you are 50+, no one will give a damn that you were a tough guy at 20. You'll be better off in the long run if you take care of yourself. Work hard, but don't do long term damage to yourself.
@@airsoftsniperm40a33 I am your age and my training is intense but every exercise is selected from a spinal health perspective. No bent over rows, deadlifts, farmer walks. Only Smith machine squats with a vertical spine and high reps.
I agree once you hit mid 30's you need to take it easy. People want to be mister tough guy, show off for social media and other people in the gym and not thinking about the future.
yes, actually. while under the blanket of “empathy” and “phantom pain” (not precisely like these two but the result is covered by these two things) you can “feel” sensations from watching something happen or hearing a description. ever seen a man get hit between the legs and people (men and women) instinctively react like they have been hit there? similar to that. even if you never had it happen the brain can simulate the experience to a degree, or recreate it if you did have it before. it varies from person to person and injury to injury. for example, i have seen a man break his leg such that the bone tore through the flesh. even describing it makes my right leg uncomfortable and i rub it in the same place the bone was protruding from his leg. at the same time i have seen someone else have a very similar injury to their arm (bone saying hello and everything) and no such sensation occurs to me. it’s really interesting to me personally.
@@thomaskourkoulis8527 his surgeries failed him because he refused to take an adequate recovery time and decided that hitting the weights hard at 5am every morning, 6 days a week was okay because he couldn't shake his addiction to working out.
@@thomaskourkoulis8527 So what? Medicine failed too therefore bone cracking is equal? That's not how it works man...that's how you end up with leeches and humors!
I have had back issues all my life - even as a child. I have seen good chiropractors and bad, as well as medical doctors… both good and bad. If you spend more time in a chiropractor’s waiting room than you do getting treated, find a new chiropractor. Ideally, your session should start by relaxing the muscles… unless they are relaxed, they will just pull the joints right back out of alignment post-treatment. Yes it adds time, but… you can see a chiropractor 3 times a week forever if not done correctly enough to bring about change. If your doctor makes mistakes in your record, calls you the wrong name, etc., do you really want them making medical decisions for you, or cutting you open? Some of my back issues responded to chiropractic treatment very quickly and thoroughly with no reoccurrence. On the other hand, when I fragmented the disc at L5-S1, surgery was the only option. (A herniated, bulging, or ruptured disc is one thing… the inner jelly sticks out through the outer part of the disc. With fragmentation, the jelly protrudes, then comes apart. Instead of fixing itself in 6 days, weeks, months, or years, a fragmented disc will never fix itself.) My surgery was initially a success… complete relief. Unfortunately, scar tissue set in 6-8 weeks later, and I ended up with a debilitating disability, despite following instructions re: therapy, exercise, diet, etc. (I tried the chiropractor, but the pain was so excruciating I screamed and blacked out. To his credit, he didn’t keep trying, but knew when pain meant adjustment wasn’t an option. He really helped when he could though. I guess my main point would be: don’t settle for second rate medical treatment - whether it’s a chiropractor or doctor or surgeon or even someone fumbling through a blood draw that’s not going well. Medical people have to learn by doing, but YOU don’t have to be a sacrificial learning case.
Are you suggesting chiropractors aren’t actual medical intervention? That a chiropractor Ronnie saw didn’t recognize the severity of his problem is on the chiropractor-not a flaw inherent to the practice of chiropractic medicine.
To be fair to Ronnie, if his first back injury was in the 90s, it's very likely that a doctor would have told him to just rest as this was still a common practice. It was only the late 90s early 2000s that continued light exercise was starting to become advised for back pain. Heck outside of athletes most people still held that belief until late 2000s
Nah, serious herniation that caused sciatica pain would have been treated the same way then as today. A lot more than rest would have been prescribed had he sought proper medical attention. You speaking having been alive 25 years ago, or from any experience?
I am impressed how patient you are with Ronnie. Honestly, I grew more and more frustrated towards him whenever he recalled the 100th incident of him getting injured and ignoring what his doctors said to him.
Same. I mean it’s his body. But some people use their bodies as though they and their bodies are not the same thing. There is commitment to your goals and “making sacrifices.” There is also needless self harm. Continuing to damage his body after retirement is the latter. Continuing to finish training after herniating a disc is so dumb. At a certain point it’s just not admirable anymore, even just like “bit for everyone but that’s pretty incredible.” He crossed the line into blatant stupidity and frankly pathological behaviour. I guess if he is happy, then good for him. But I am pretty sure 9/10 people would have major regrets. Then again 99% of people know to stop when their back explodes in the gym.
@@emilchandran546 his commitment to his goal can't be separated from the needless self harm. His goal was to be the biggest, that requires an amazing amount of drugs from a 40+ year old man at the time. Nothing he did was natural and it went beyond what the body is able to handle. His goal was to embody needless self harm in human form
Exactly what i was thinking. I understand ignoring pain, very recently i experienced it myself. I was crocheting lol and my dominant wrist started hurting, and i could not stop myself lmao, i adjusted and kept going for like an hour. Idk, may be i hyperfocused. Anyway, i googled and did some stretching afterwards, and next time i was more careful and was ready to stop. Hearing him making the same stupid thing once and once again is painful
Thanks for adding a healthy dose of reality to someone that is widely considered a legendary figure in bodybuilding. Your analysis is thorough, reasonable, and entertaining.
The sad part is that everything the doc said is just more detail on the totally obvious problems with Ronnie's training. Yet gym bros deny or ignore the obvious problems and proceed to emulate Ronnie's training.
@@jakemccoynobody emulates his training because few can lift that heavy;he is revered as a legend because he saw destiny and grabbed it with both hand and back
Romans 3:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God Hebrews 9:28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and to them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin to salvation. Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. John 3:18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son. John 3:16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. James 2:17-18 In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead. 18 But someone will say, "You have faith; I have deeds." Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by what I do. Acts 17:30 In the past God overlooked such ignorance, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent. 2 Timothy 2:19 Nevertheless, God’s solid foundation stands firm, sealed with this inscription: “The Lord knows those who are his,” and, “Everyone who confesses the name of the Lord must turn away from wickedness.” John 3:5-7 Jesus answered, “Amen, amen, I say to you, no one can enter the kingdom of God without being born of water and Spirit. What is born of flesh is flesh and what is born of spirit is spirit. Do not be amazed that I told you, 'You must be born from above. ' (All humans have sinned except for the Holy Son of God that have lived a human form and became the sacrifice for the sins of those who believe in him. And also those who believe should repent, turn away from there sins and shall change into more like him. And everyone who follow Christ should be born again, that means you should change the way of your life and be born again.) I will spam this to comments sections so that many will know about Gospel and please read it. .,.,.,.,.,
Ronnie's back injuries are scarey. Would not want that for any competition. Can't believe he had some of those before his 8 titles. Genuinly impressed and in disbelief.
A year ago I had a minor knee injury, nothing that couldn't be solved by rest and antiinflammatories: I checked online the structure of a knee to picture what exactly was hurting and I was like "HOLY SH*T! IT'S THAT COMPLICATED?!". I think these things should be taught in school: know how your body works, know how to respect it
I mean no disrespect. I am probably older than you. back in high school we had biology with a semester dedicated to biology. So, I knew about the patella, tendons, meniscus and cartilage by age 18. Is that no longer taught in schools?
@@Galworld761 I’m a current high school student and I’ve found that most high school athletes have a basic knowledge of most muscle groups, but I am not sure about the rest of the students. Im part of my school’s biomedical program so we learn about all the muscle stuff pretty early on but I can’t speak for the general biology classes
When ronnie talks about his only regret was not getting 4 reps instead of the 2 he got. Gives me goosebumps and brings a tear to my eye. This guy is body building
Ronnie Coleman is a legend. He was my D.A.R.E. officer in 6th grade. We all loved that guy! So sad he got messed up over time through all these injuries. Take care of your body, men! You only get one.
@@vwcanter Haha! Yes. Granted, Ronnie was on performance enhancing ones, not narcotics. Qualitative difference worth pointing out, but the overall thrust, the idea that drug prohibition is both hypocritical and damaging in subtle ways, stands. I could go into a long geopol thing about this but I'll spare you (already made a few videos on the subject anyway). We live in interesting times. May you find a way to make the best of it.
@@dingle37 he was passionate about what he did and thats all there really is to it. Some people are willing to put their lives in danger for their craft and Ronnie was definitely one of them.
About three times Ronnie had screws inserted in his spine. Instead of healing he started lifting again like three days later. You can't let things like lifting become an obsession. Even if you are a former Mr. Olympia.
i mean... when he got the screws he was already screwed up... when you get that invasive and restricting surgery, assuming youre lucky and have no complications, you are already in worse shape than before.
@@SkyForceOne2 Like three times after spinal surgery ronnie was back in the gym like the next day when his doctors prescribed months off. ronnie is super nice guy but when you do things like that you have a mental issue you need to deal with. he basically pulled the screws out of his spine.
@@christopherjames9843 yeah but like i said, he probably couldnt accept it that he had to take things slower. He got lucky with the screws in the first place, that he apparently didnt have complication from the surgery. but yeah no matter what treatment he got, training 3 days after getting injured is...
@@christopherjames9843 “fine” - no. He would be better, sure. But his back would still be far worse than your average person; the only way to be fine is not to get injured in the first place
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Some people need to see what happens when mind over body goes to the extreme. It's a shame Ronny didn't take recovery more seriously. Would have been interesting to see whether he would have been able to achieve his weight-lifting feats without the crippling complications. His relationship with working out was that of an addiction and just like any other, it destroyed his body.
True. A lot of people are all too willing to overlook Ronny's extreme hubris because of his enormous trophy cabinet. He considered himself above taking advice. He is an untreated addict. He's had plenty of surgeries, but he's made no progress on his addiction, which means he can't moderate his obsession with lifting weights - even when it threatens his ability to lift weights. I see it as more a failure of education, guidance and self-knowledge, rather than a sporting triumph. I have no idea that he put other people close to him through a lot through his self-centered approach to life. But as an addict, I also feel sympathy for him because I know he can't feel good any other way. He's in for a very hard final chapter of his life. I hope he continues to feel it was worth it.
It might have. For example, look at Scott, the father of (also) Scott as he appears in the Kentucky Kustoms channel: that man is at least 50, he's about as jacked as his son (which is IMPRESSIVE, as Scott Jr. fires elephant rifles like they're slightly powerful air guns and dwarfs Houston the bodybuilder), and he has no problems moving around or doing tasks such as car repair and customization. I dunno how much he lifts but he's clearly been doing it for a long time.
Back in medical school, we would have presented Ronnie Coleman's case during surgical rounds as what *_never should be done..._* one surgery after another, by what we would consider a non-compliant patient. Mohammed Ali developed Alzheimer's later in life, but he had stopped taking punches. Ronnie just kept at it.
Mohammed ali stopped taking punches to late in his boxing career tho. He should have stopped way sooner but he was broke and way passed his prime and fighting for money.
Meanwhile we have fanboys in these comments uncritically supporting everything Ronnie did to his spine. You cannot convince me heavy squats and deadlifts with a compromised spine is good for any standard of physical fitness or sport--not even bodybuilding.
And to be fair, what docs could have done? Ronnie will either ignore pain or go for less reputable doc or third option will be trying to medicate himself. All things considered, what happened was probably the best outcome.
@Dsmv Absolutely, you should go see a doctor to check it out( please don’t go see chiropractor at the beginning). Back pain only get worse when you age, please don’t ignore injury.
@@mariosalikatoras6658 they mean: 'must have been' not 'must of bean'. they wrote it like that because thats how many people say it (although incorrect)
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@@uchihaobito1601 you’re around 900 years too late bub, the crusades already accomplished what the bottom of your comment says you’re trying to do! No biggie being behind the times though, you’re good.
Reminds me of the guys I met in the military in the 80’s in the infantry and airborne who are now carrying chronic injuries and diseases from pushing themselves way too far.
I suspect your view on chiropractic treatments are similar to my own (I'm a retired Alexander teacher), but quite honestly NO therapy or technique could keep pace with someone who is working so hard in the opposite direction. In other words, the patient in this case was working harder to hurt himself than the therapist could repair the damage. It was a lost cause.
Ronnie is the king. It is really sad how his obessive training program broke him. The man is legendary for his accomplishments, cautionary tale, and example of how hard a mind can push its body.
He wouldn't be able to do all of this if he didn't do roids and all kinds of other stimulants on top of it. It's the roids that finally broke him. If you do things naturally, the entire body benefits. Once you choose the "supplements", it's almost inevitable your gonna suffer heavily later. Frankly, I look down on anyone who chooses to do things this way. There's no honor in cheating. Bodybuilding on professional level is totally corrupt.
@@mitsanut5869 Roids don't give you instant gains. They only multiply effort. Ronnie still put in hours upon hours upon hours. > stimulants Guess I suck at my office job because I need ~3 cups of coffee to get started every morning.
@@hugmynutus why don't you teach me something, dude. I have been personal witness to horrific injuries in the gym these things caused when (back then) I was working out next to guys who were European and World amateur bodybuilding champs. And they did those things in much smaller quantity then guys like Coleman & Co., because they were officially registered as amateurs. You don't know what you're talking about. I was one of the very few who didn't touch those things at all. Stimulants? No, they don't drink coffee. They only inject themselves with Vitamin cocktails that could knock out a horse right before they hit the weights. I've seen a lot, dude.
1:48 my husband's best friend actually broke his back in high school and didn't know it until years later when he had to get an xray for something else. the guy played football and did weightlifting in HS and the doctor thought that because he was so young and strong (he had incredible back and core muscle strength) he was able to keep living his life normally without knowing he had a broken back! it's amazing what the human body can endure!
I found out years after I broke my back too. I slipped in a creek and landed on a rock the size of a bowling ball. Limped for a couple weeks while working (I worked with trucking and giant tires). Anyway, fast forward a few years and had an ex ray for something else and the DR asked me when I had broken my back and why I didn’t mention it to him during intake.. He told me the same thing about why it healed, I ha strong core muscles that must have held everything in place. I told him what I was doing for a living back then and he said I was lucky I didn’t end up paralyzed. About The lightest tires we worked on where 250 lbs and we only used tire bars and sledge hammers to dismantle them.
My father, who was a chiropractor, complained all the time how corrupt most chiropractors and their practices are. He ultimately went into practice by himself becaue he refused to defraud insurance companies and lawsuits.
I was going to an acupuncturist. She worked in an office with a chiropractor. I went to her off an on for a year and at the end of that year all the patients the chiropractor saw were gone, having completed their treatment successfully. Whatever modality, you should see improvement with treatment and an honest practitioner will tell you when they have reached the limit of what they can do for you. I got treatment from that chiropractor and it was helpful and did not go on for years. You can be proud you Dad was an ethical practitioner. PS. I've needed several ortho surgeries in my life, I match the practice to the condition.
@@angelachouinard4581 I agree completely. If the practitioner is ethical, there is no problem. Unfortunately, in chiropractics, that's rarely the situation. Thanks for what you said about my dad. He was a horrible husband & father, but he was ethical in business.
Injured from overexertion back in the service, here, and it took ages to somewhat recover. The sheer image of Ronnie makes me want to put just that much more oomph into my workouts, but the insights from Doc here also vindicate the caution I now exercise.
@@subject8776 Steroids mask the injuries, allow faster muscle recovery, but not joint or tendon and ligament recovery, so you don't really know if you have an injury until the pain gets bad. This was told to me by a bodybuilder who was recovering from a torn or detached pec muscle. And like Ronnie, he still was lifting when he shouldn't have by using steroids and pain killers.
I was overusing my knees in the army and it got swollen and hurted pretty bad. Now, 8 years later I still feel like that knee isn't on the same level as the other one.
I must admit that Ronny is frustratingly admirable. I kept shaking my head every time I heard about the next surgery because I knew what was coming next
@@good8619 of course thats stupid but in the end of the day it shows how extremely dedicated he was. He threw away his health and future for that one dream. Thats admirable. Especially nowdays where nobody even tries to achieve what they really want because they’re scared of whatever.
I’m a woman with diastasis recti (from pregnancy) and I work to bring awareness to the condition among moms to be…I had never heard of it and it went undiagnosed and I returned to the gym and unknowingly made it even worse. Most could have been prevented. I even work in rehab and studied kinesiology..not mentioned anywhere, not even in pre-pregnancy books or classes. Yet it’s insanely common 🤦♀️🤦♀️ Anyway it looked glaringly obvious Ronnie had it even during multiple Olympia wins…and I can’t understand how (or maybe it was??) it was either overlooked, or undiagnosed?? Maybe he just pushed through and ignored it idk. If one doesn’t have it themselves, I imagine it can be hard to understand how it creates muscle imbalance and requires really super careful techniques for core stabilization to prevent making it worse, but to prevent back pain and injury. I can’t imagine the amount of heavy weights and straining etc he was doing with that injury, and it definitely didn’t look healed. With DR, we measure the gap in finger widths and his looked at LEAST several fingers wide! that is severe. so it was undoubtedly causing an insane amount of agonist/antagonist imbalance and extra strain on his poor back. Bless you Ronnie!! 💛💪
I find it really difficult to have some blame for the chiropractor (despite my general low regard for chiropractic) because of Ronnie’s history of going against every bit of medical advice he was given. On his documentary his surgeon is shown telling him what not to do and Ronnie went and did it. Ronnie was pushing so hard with what surgeons told him not to do that he would sheared the screws in his spine. It was on video. The spinal fusion failed because he went right to lifting AMA.
Exactly! I had a friend like that too. He was a power lifter and after surgery he would go back to his old power lifting training and would re injur himself. Guys like Ronnie r very intense.
@dejuren Chiropractors are not scammers. Ronnie would have likely got better if he stopped lifting after he got a slipped disc and got help from a chiropractor instead of getting an operation.
@@StfuSiriusly No mate, they helped me when I got a sliiped disc after squatting. By they I mean a chiro and an osteopath. My upper body was not straight and there was no way a doctor could fix that with medicines.
@dejuren those might be scammers but not all of what they do is scam. Went once to a chiro and he gave me same advice as physiotherapist. He just cracked a few things on top of that. If i pinch a nerve i don't want to see a physiotherapist telling me to stretch, i want relief. But overall physioterapist always brought me results in the long run Never trust magic solutions. Few thing give instant result.
Ron was a guest poser at a show here. First impression was how massive, immense, he was in person. Second was how gracious, accommodating, humble and, self-deprecating he was. Wish him the best.
I used to work with Dave Muhlenkamp former world-class powerlifter and San Diego Charger Offensive Lineman back in the 70s.... By the time Dave was in his early 40s he could barely walk and he told me to never to get into Power Lifting and he regretted the path he had taken..... I'm sure Ronnie has regrets but he's not going to voice them because he's got his Pride.... Deep respect for Ronnie but some of these guys don't know when to quit....sadly
Going to show this to every gym goer I know. A lot of injuries occur because people actually don't know enough about the body and how much rest and recovery it truly needs. Stay safe and educate yourselves people.
I dont deadlift, i use freeweights mostly at the gym, never had too much trouble despite a bunch of joint problems, theres numerous ways to workout without pushing your body too far
The issues ronnie were met with are unrelatable and irrelevant to the vast majority of gym goers. To be scared to deadlift or lift heavy using ronnie coleman as an example is simply irrational unless you specifically know someone who constantly ego lifts or refuses to listen to their body.
@@fenixchief7 im not scared of anything, i get a great workout and push myself to the limit, muscle development/strength was never a problem for me, joint mobility and tendon strains are a constant burden, plus my cardio strength has always been terrible so that's what i work on. I dont need to deadlift, it gives great results, but its also risky, the quickest and most efficient ways to gain muscle and strength are also some of the most dangerous and injury prone. Denying this fact, is just stupid. Don't be stupid. You can do it, i wont say not to, but at 35 years old i don't see the need myself.
Honestly, I agree 1000% with you on the chiropractor stuff. Some are good, SOME. There are a ton of quacks out there that do tremendous harm. I've always enjoyed your content and hope you'll always speak your mind sir.
There are good and bad in every profession. On the whole, the field of chiropractic is rated among the absolute safest and has the highest patient satisfaction ratings. Statistical odds of any injury of significance is extremely rare and estimated by Dr. Cassidy in the most comprehensive study ever conducted to be about 1 in 5.8 million. In twenty-five years of private practice and two years of internship, I have performed several million adjustments with zero reported patient injuries and an over 98% success rate. I will put my record up against any medical provider in my community. I have had numerous medical doctors under my care and have referred several hundred patients for treatment outside my facilities including for spinal surgery. I have caught numerous conditions missed by my patients medical doctors and sent some for immediate emergency evaluations. Do I know chiropractors that I have limited confidence in? Sure, but no more so than any other healthcare profession.
@@tobymitchell8081 but safety and patient satisfaction aren't effectiveness. If I sell people crystals I will have 100% safety of practice and my "patients" will receive a legitimate benefit once the placebo effect kicks in, and then their biases being confirmed will cause a feeling of satisfaction. Of course you should be allowed to receive money from people for making them feel good, that's probably the oldest way to make money. But when you call yourself a doctor you mislead people about the effect you can have. Ronnie Coleman always left his visits feeling that something positive happened, but that feeling deluded him into thinking he was caring for an issue that chiropracty never made better.
@@muscularclassrepresentativ5663 that’s an interesting perspective, however; there have been more scientific research studies confirming the effectiveness of chiropractic care than virtually all other medical treatments. I personally know Ronnie Coleman and Lee Haney. Both have been under chiropractic care but Ronnie placed undue stress on his body that no level of treatment could have stopped from destroying his body. Ronnie did not even allow for proper recovery or rehabilitation after spinal surgery. Nothing except Ronnie Coleman quitting and never lifting any significant weight could have saved him. Chiropractic treatment may have very well been able to resolve his problems under normal conditions as it has for hundreds of millions of people around the world. The doctor of chiropractic program is the longest doctoral program in all of healthcare requiring more that 4400 hours of study with more time in orthopedics, Xray, and diagnosis than a medical doctor. Virtually every insurance company I work with requires objective proof of improvement as a requirement of care. They don’t care how the patients feel. I think you have erroneous misconceptions regarding the training and education of doctors of chiropractic. It is not a placebo effect when people walk in with vertigo or debilitating migraines and walk out without those conditions. The United States foundation for healthcare policy and research found that chiropractic care is the best option for acute lower back pain based on research published in 1997. The studies are too numerous and exhausting to list but the governments of Australia, Canada, Great Britain, New Zealand, and Denmark all have published studies noting the safety, efficacy, and effectiveness of chiropractic care for a myriad of conditions.
There isn’t any solid research showing that chiropractic care works well for anything. You have to have double blind studies done by neutral investigators. None of that exists.
Just hearing the Doc speak about some of Ronnie's injuries and then how Ronnie just treated them like "oh that hurts a bit let's do 600LB squats" just shows what a Tank Ronnie was and still is, a true gladiator and the Doc a true gentleman being respectful AF and explaining in depth perfectly as usual 👌
@@tedlessor3887 no shot he’s the greatest that was ever seen even if he took care of his body he wouldn’t have been as big and probably wouldn’t have won 8 olympias it’s j the price he had to pay
Lee Haney, who also won 8 Olympia titles, liked to say, "Train to STIMULATE, not ANNIHILATE." Ronnie may have been able to accomplish the same results by training differently, meaning especially smarter.
As an FYI .. I have a real problem with chiropractic care as it almost killed me. I know this because the chiropractor himself told me I was "lucky to have survived" what was happening to me. Apparently, the human neck is supposed to have a gentle curve. Mine is straight. When he tried to put that curve back, I would randomly become paralyzed from the neck down. It happened several times. Once it woke me up and I had to seriously concentrate to breathe. Another one, my mom was at my trailer when it happened. She called the chiropractor, he came right out and I could move again. The next day, he start putting me back the way I was. Haven't had THAT happen since.
Everybody who has been into weight training since the last 25+ years knows the name "Ronnie Coleman". It can't be denied that he has been influential (good/bad). Using this figurehead, Dr. Chris Raynor has laid out the pitfalls lucidly. All the time maintaining respect and keeping technicality to a minimum. Much respect to you good sir. This video might have been targeted towards your interns. However, us average humans having minimal training regimens in their lives, have been benefited as well.
It's honestly very sad he never went to a doctor to have his injuries properly diagnosed. I wonder if he would be in a better position physically today if he had at least gone to a professional instead of a chiropractor...
@@Zomburai45 if he got shot, i doubt he will register it instantly as a bullet wound. The sheer pain tolerance this guy have is insanely cool and scary.
Last year I injured my forearm, and I went to a chiropractor friend of mine for treatment. After three visits my pain wasn’t going away, so I decided to go see an orthopedic doctor, and he got me treated and I’ve been pain free since.
People have stories like this both ways, but I just think that the chiros treating Ronnie were in way over their heads and they should have advised Ronnie to speak to a surgeon long before he ever did.
Ronnie Coleman did what it took to achieve massive success and is paying the price. I didn't hear Ronnie express one shred of regret. His level of sacrifices isn't for everyone. Thanks Doc for breaking it down.
What this video also says through that pshisiologist, is that Ronnie did not train smart and could have probably achieved the same result if he had found and listened to a good phisiologist. That is what other athletes have been doing for years and ended up dominating in their chosen fields.
Training soon after surgery, against his surgeons directions, caused his spinal fusion to fail and resulted in him making LESS progress. He was straight up dumb and didn't need to be in this situation.
Ronnie is the kind of guy who became a legend, and who absolutely noone should take as an example. He completely destroyed himself to reach that goal, going overboard with overtraining that yielded close to no additional gains. The kind of victory that leaves you in ruin. Good for him if he thinks it was all worth it. Still not a man to look up to, unless reckless self-annihilation is your end goal.
A bit sad that yours ist one of the few posts saying that Coleman is NOT somebody to look up to. If I have to read another "but he is a legend" comment, I'll just puke.
I'm very appreciative of your intelligence that is communicated with excellent articulation. You are a rarity among the barrage of people fighting for viewers. I'm glad I found your channel. Subscribed
Glad you're giving a shout out to Dr. Mike Israetel (Renaissance Periodization on YT) & Jeff Nippard. I think their channels are great resources for those dabbling or getting deeper into lifting and muscular development.
I think that’s what’s more impressive than his strength was his pain tolerance. Hearing Dr. Raynor describe the injuries makes me squirm from just imagining the pain.
A lot of people here are missing the fact that he didn't listen to a doctor and ruined himself. Like all that matters are his accomplishments, not his life. 🧐
For the record, my wife had cervical fusion at two levels. This made her neck far worse. She has now had 4 surgeries and she's far worse than before she had her first surgery. Several friends and family have had lumbar disc injuries requiring fusion. All are worse than before. Several wore out the good discs above and below the fusion and had to get those fused as well.
I thought surgery made it all better. I have a bulging disc, and thought about an artificial disc replacement. My orthopedic doctor did not recommend surgery. I have no pain, and can feel my legs.
A big problem with getting that big is that the maintenance program is still intense and laborious. Without out it, they turn to fat or lose a lot of weight and end up with sagging skin. It’s a huge commitment, for life.
Well they lose the weight because they got off or lower their steroid use. While some muscle can be kept after quitting drug use these guys take so much their body cannot maintain the muscle without it
I've known guys that used steroids and were far bigger than me (being natural). After they stopped using, they shrunk and I was much bigger. A complete reversal. Showed me how much steroid use both helps temporarily, but also hinders "real" lasting gains.
@@IanSinclair77 I’ve often referred to body builders as having a million dollar body; with inflation that might be a 2 million dollar body now. The reason is that the amount of time spent building that body might amount to those sums if that time was spent earning wages. The point is that those bodies, natural or assisted, require a tremendous effort to maintain into old age, which is exceedingly difficult. But there seems little choice as not doing it likely results in turning into a fat big guy. Genetics will determine the degree of fat and size for sure. But the people tend to eat nearly the same without the work. When I stopped, I maintained the same body weight, but it slowly transformed its shape and makeup. When I started hiking and running, my body changed again and approached my 18 year old self, but with less muscle mass. I’m 61 now. I mentioned this because I found it crazy that Ronnie would continue that level of lifting with those injuries. But I presume he is driven both by work ethic but also by self image and ego. Getting that big is both a huge commitment an albatross, unless you can let it go.
I hurt my back the first time doing jumping jacks in high school during the summer for football. I felt it pop/tear. 35 years later I have 2-3 spasms in that spot and about every 10 years I get one of those “put you on the floor” versions. Treatment? Diagnosis? Nah. Was no such thing then. Just limp around and hurt.
Ronnie's amazing pain thresh hold, and unfortunate self destruction paved the way for a better health conscious gym culture. His sacrifice is not in vain. Fantastic video doctor and team!
Sounds like this man had a severe addiction to weightlifting. I cant think any other reason why someone would continue to train to such intensity otherwise.
@@doodlebob3758 I'm not discounting his achievements. His drive and motivation and discipline is something very few people can emulate. The problem is seemingly his inability to properly rest and recover. To me, it feels like he has an addiction to weightlifting and getting big.
@@Midtierman Well, of course. As far as longevity, he could've went about it a lot better. But in the grand scheme of making your mark as a person, do believe that juice was worth the squeeze?
I have a disc bulge right now. Thank you Doc and Ronnie for confirming proper recovery and not continuing to push myself in the future until I’m permanently crippled.
Your video is captivating, informative and complete. You effortlessly showed the arc of the cause &effect of body building, coupled with inadequate or disregard of medical intervention and chronic pain management. The bonus was the overview of weight lifting culture over time. I’m someone who gets impatient watching a 1 minute short, and this engrossed my attention for 31:13. Excellent presentation.
I am my own personal Ronnie. I made so many mistakes in and outside the gym. All because of ego. All because I had to prove something to someone else or myself. Listen: No one will give a shit about what you looked like and how much you lifted 20 years ago. I messed up my neck and my back and to this day I'm paying the price for it. I'm still working out and still finding ways to keep fit while not messing up my body even more. It seems almost impossible. The damage is done. This doc said something REALLY important during the video. He said that Ronnie could have possibly gained and maintained the same level of excellence without destroying his body. That is most def true as I now have come to realize. Your body is your temple. It's your vessel. Use it, train it but never hurt it. You will need it for the rest of your life!! My conclusion is this and maybe it's helps as advice to younger people. KEEP YOUR EGO IN CHECK! It is NOT your friend. You are never good enough and the grass is always greener on the other side. It's a trap. Do what you gotta do WITHOUT crossing that line. Everything in life has a price. All you have to do is FIRST consider what that price may be and IS IT WORTH IT? I wish you all the best!
Ronnie himself acknowledges that he's made some big mistakes and kind of brought this on himself. It's not all on him because he did have a lower back surgery which apparently was a bit botched but he knows he shouldn't have been in the gym doing leg presses just days after back/hip surgery like he did. A lot of the damage he did was AFTER he had already retired so we can't say he did it because he was trying to be the best, at that point his obsession with working out and lifting heavy weights was just pathological, any sane person would have simply stayed away from the gym until fully healed. Ronnie is an example of someone whose entire identity becomes intertwined with being big and strong and I don't think he knew how or wanted to be anything else even after retiring, which is when this lifestyle becomes very unhealthy physically and mentally.
You are so right i turned 49 this year so after years of strongman I decided to do the right thing and focuses more on health and fitness and yet I still find myself pushing big weights, it really is a mental thing and I have to force myself to go lighter.
@@brandonpalmer1421 and what have you achieved in your life? For him to be the best it was worth it. Something you would understand if you ever completed.
Dr. Mike is a great guy. Rolled with him (BJJ) a few times in Philly and he's such a kind, gracious, and informative person to train with and learn from. He's also terrifyingly strong. Been following his channel for awhile and probably why the algorithm suggested yours to me. Just subscribed to you as you can tell you have good character, and I love the way you lay out your points. Can't wait to check out more of your content, Dr. Raynor.
Man, it's sad. I hope that Ronnie is able to at least take it easier on his body and start to feel better over time. This was my first time watching a video from this channel, and Dr. Raynor, amazing job! This isn't even a topic I follow, but it was entertaining and very informative!
I had a similar experience when I hurt my back. I lost my balance and instead of dropping the weight I muscled through and tried to regain control. I heard that "POP". I was in Afghanistan at the time and when I went to see a Airforce DR after I couldn't move without being in excruciating pain the next day. He told me I had pulled my hamstring and would not even consider that I had herniated my back. Told me to come back in 3 days if pain didn't subsided, it didn't. Well, he had gone back state side and didn't want to do any paperwork on his last 2 days of deployment. I had herniated S2, L5 and L6. Military being the Military i spent about 4 years fighting it until I finally got surgery in 2016. I made sure to take care for that not to happen if I could avoid it.
@@d3vilscry666 I was good until I was rear ended back in May by a chick on her phone. She was going around 60 and I was stopped waiting for traffic to clear. Now pretty much every vertebrae has some sort of herniated. With under a cm to over 2. Which doesn't sound like a lot. But it's enough to cause pain that Ibuprofen will barely touch. Lol.
I've got mad respect for Ronny. Man's DESTROYED his body to be the strongest. He succeeded. It just cost him the body that facilitated it. Here's hoping Ronny is with us for a long time more, and that the crazy badtard actually tries to swing a 400lb greatsword like it was once suggested he could do.
@@Smash88818 yeah he took it to the maximum. Ronnie was the biggest and strongest bodybuilder ever. A once in a lifetime kind of physique at his peak. A true god. Now, shown to be just a mortal. But he is forever immortalised as the greatest ever.
I just pictured a person with down syndrome in a subway station wearing sequined leather and moonwalking. That's the second funniest typo I've ever seen.
Chiropractic Medicine, while Legitimate for correcting misalignment, is indeed not a substitute for acute structural damage. Mr. Coleman did this to himself with his bull-headed persistence in the face of pain and injury. Your explanations were extremely thorough and understandable. Your vocabulary and descriptive ability are superb. Great use of visuals and superior editing. This was a Top notch presentation.
Yeah I've had tonnes of people suggest chiro for my Spondylytic Spondylolisthesis, bilateral pars defect and foraminal narrowing. Wasted so much money listening to people that don't understand :(
Tue. Chiropractic helps with alleviation of pain. The injurious behavior needs to stop or else the root of the pain will persist & lead to permanent injury.
It's complete quackery. Regardless, works well to alleviate back pain for a couple days. It's just an alternative to a massage- not actual medical intervention.
@@tomdewitt248 It's for correcting misalignment, not healing ruptured discs. Correcting dislocations and misalignment is not quackery, ask any Athlete.
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The rumor about Ronnie is he only used a spotter in case the weights needed a break.
There are not rumors. These are documented facts.
I don't see the point of this asinine comment. Have you seen any of new content? He looks broken and high as a kite due to painkillers. We ought to learn something from such tragic outcome instead of cracking braindead jokes
Sure, I wondered why the bodybuilders were having such intense spray tans, so maybe Ronnie became the model man. The, man to beat.
Fax
The weight needed a break bruh😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 that shit got me dead
My God, Ronnie’s pain tolerance is unworldly. I feel so bad that he went through so much for the fitness community. Thanks for another awesome video Doctor Chris.
I wouldn’t try to follow in his footsteps, but his sheer ability to ignore pain to get what he wanted is inspirational.
Opiates will do that for ya
Ronnie is nuts. Seriously
You shouldn't feel bad for anyone who makes the choice to hurt themselves. Ronnie is not a victim. He was given the right advice but chose to ignore it. Being the best bodybuilder, the world had ever seen was more important to him than taking care of himself. He is pushing 60, is severely crippled, yet he won't stop lifting weights. The man should be banned from every gym in the country for his own good. He needs to stop and save what little mobility he has left.
I had a coworker that said ronnie would sometimes show up at his gym in the Dallas area sometime around 2005-2010. He said he saw him go to do a heavy squat set, and before he did he took a bunch of toilet paper out of his gym bag, rolled it up and put it in both nostrils. After he did his squat set, the toilet paper was soaked in blood
I've had disk material removed twice myself, and it fixed months of unbearable pain and extremely limited range of motion immediately. I walked home from the hospital the same day. Did some very light training, mostly walking and gentle movement, and since then I've taken up heavy training, but without ego lifting and ignoring signals. Sometimes you gotta chill for a while, and sometimes you have to seek help. You just can't push through when something is broken.
I don't want to offend Ron, he's a legend admittedly, but his actions are pretty moronic. He could've avoided most of this if he quit doing super heavy backsquats and deadlifts. Also saying that he needed to sacrifice his health to this extent in order to win is false too since there are a ton of other mister Olympias or Close competitors like Jay Cutler who have mostly just got the side-effects from steroids and are still kicking in the gym even today..
You have to live it. If you have ever lifted heavy, you would understand. You know how must drugs get worse with time? The effects dull and the high is no longer a high? Well lifting is the opposite.
When i hit 185 on bench, the weight of a grown man, i was floored. When i hit 225, i almost cried in joy and rage. When i hit 275, i hopped up faster than i have ever and was about to kiss my friend on the lips. And i know when i hit 315, the feeling will only be better.
Im natural, and hate druggies and weak/unimpressive people who are on steroids. I hate drugs. I will do whatever it takes to get to a 5 plate bench. Ill take the tren, ill take the estrogen blockers. Id love to get there natty, and it might be possible, but if its not, im hopping on gear.
It's true, Yates was massive & trained very heavy too. I saw pic of him recently around his 60th bday & he's much lighter but looks well.
@@dogdicer1153 you hate ppl who take steroids but you're willing to take tren and alter your hormones? Why the hate on steroids then?
@@dogdicer1153 Erm, taking tren and estrogen blockers, is pretty much exactly the same as taking steroids, they are both performance enhancing drugs that mess with your hormones.
You are not what I would call 'natty'
Jay's approach to training might have not had the same result for Ronnie. Its impossible for a guy who trained professionally for decades to never have tried a different method. He most likely figured out what worked best for his body.
Thank you doc for such a detailed analysis. Even though I'm not a bodybuilder, your lecture was so well done I can use this lesson in my everyday life and hopefully avoid injury.
Romans 3:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God
Hebrews 9:28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and to them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin to salvation.
Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
John 3:18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.
John 3:16
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
James 2:17-18
In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.
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But someone will say, "You have faith; I have deeds." Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by what I do.
Acts 17:30
In the past God overlooked such ignorance, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent.
2 Timothy 2:19
Nevertheless, God’s solid foundation stands firm, sealed with this inscription: “The Lord knows those who are his,” and, “Everyone who confesses the name of the Lord must turn away from wickedness.”
John 3:5-7
Jesus answered, “Amen, amen, I say to you, no one can enter the kingdom of God without being born of water and Spirit. What is born of flesh is flesh and what is born of spirit is spirit. Do not be amazed that I told you,
'You must be born from above. '
(All humans have sinned except for the Holy Son of God that have lived a human form and became the sacrifice for the sins of those who believe in him. And also those who believe should repent, turn away from there sins and shall change into more like him.
And everyone who follow Christ should be born again, that means you should change the way of your life and be born again.)
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Chiropractors are quacks. Told me my back pain & debilitating sciatica was from a herniated disc in my spine when it was actually from arthritis (bone on bone) in my knees.
This was hard to watch the entire video, I had to come back a year later😢
Ronnie is incredible…. I can’t wrap my around the fact that kept working that hard though all that pain. Obviously there was a cost but There’s something to be said about that level of determination
and how he accepts the results!
you are impressed by a man who uses steroid for his muscles and dopes himself for pain relief? lol
@@jasonvoorhees5640 have you watched the documentary he made for Netflix? He did all that to support his family. He put himself and his body through hell and still had a regular job to make sure all his family was set. I’m not into steroid use but I can’t knock this man’s hustle
Stupidity and obsession. Not determination.
@@jmain7863 Yea and look where he is at now... I'd rather have a regular job and not be as famous or rich and have my health. and I'm sure the roids didn't help. Good luck with your life.
He had pushed his body super hard, it's amazing to see what he pushed his body to do. The issue comes in when you push past the limit of what the body can physically handle. I've done that before and suffered from it, so I stopped doing that to avoid the pain he is going through.
Romans 3:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God
Hebrews 9:28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and to them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin to salvation.
Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
John 3:18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.
John 3:16
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
James 2:17-18
In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.
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But someone will say, "You have faith; I have deeds." Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by what I do.
Acts 17:30
In the past God overlooked such ignorance, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent.
2 Timothy 2:19
Nevertheless, God’s solid foundation stands firm, sealed with this inscription: “The Lord knows those who are his,” and, “Everyone who confesses the name of the Lord must turn away from wickedness.”
John 3:5-7
Jesus answered, “Amen, amen, I say to you, no one can enter the kingdom of God without being born of water and Spirit. What is born of flesh is flesh and what is born of spirit is spirit. Do not be amazed that I told you,
'You must be born from above. '
(All humans have sinned except for the Holy Son of God that have lived a human form and became the sacrifice for the sins of those who believe in him. And also those who believe should repent, turn away from there sins and shall change into more like him.
And everyone who follow Christ should be born again, that means you should change the way of your life and be born again.)
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I like how the doctor is extremely respectful towards Ronny. He is not taking cheap shots, calling him dumb for overtraining, etc... Very nice!
Man, as I continue watching this video… I want to be respectful… but Ronnie Coleman sounds like he has some psychological issues to destroy his body the way he has for some medals and trophies
@@LiveRaidei dedication comes with sacrafice, what were dedicated too, and what we would sacrafice for it is different for everyone. For many its family, or god, others have more niche things.
@@LiveRaidei that’s what it takes to be the greatest of all time. Could he have achieved this by being safer? Maybe. Would he have ? Probably not
@@shaunromero9826 He totally could have won all his titles, retired, had surgery no.1 and then managed it well and lived a healthy enough life.
I’m with you Felipe! The Dr. is a class act with how he spoke about Ronnie. Also Ronnie himself has always been one of the kindest in the sport too.
Ronnie Coleman is a legend, but his life so far is also a cautionary tale what you shouldn't do.
I am amazed and horrified at the same time what he endured during his workouts.
In his defense, Ive seen a lot of people who never amounted to squat, he at least lived an amazing life.
@@stclairstclair well he's not dead yet. Plenty of time to degenerate further..
Point is, he accomplished a lot, but at the cost of his body. I wouldn't be surprised if he winds up paralyzed. He has to have some sort of neurological disorder as well... To ignore every injury and continuing to do what caused it is insanity.
He got lucky to be honest. His story could easily be he gets paralyzed in 1998 and never amounts to the greatness. Only to serve as a reminder to take care of yourself and train safely.
Nothing to do with his training
@@JLUX100 Everything to do with his training. He even says so. Injury after injury + AAS allowing him to recover faster and masking the issues. He had chronic pain throughout his career and never sought to address it directly.
@@mdc123-v2v no much of an issue with his training as it was an issue with neglect. He had injured his back many times and never really did anything about it. Obviously, squating 2million lbs doesnt help either lol
Rest in Peace Ronnie. He ain’t dead or anything but Lord that man needs some rest
bro dont scare me like that 😅😅😅
He needs Jesus Christ
heh heh this got me cackling on a gloomy evening thank you
LOL … keep Jesus outta here. Damn, that man been resting in peace for 2000 years you quacks!
@@dickdeoreo no, He rose from death 2000 years ago, but youll be dead soon though and the world will be better off.
The only time I ever heard a chiropractor tell a patient that the course of treatment was completed was the day he found out that the patient's insurance limit had been reached.
I was at a chiropractor and they had booklets of all kinds of disease.. they could fix everything, even cancer.... It was at that point I knew I was at the wrong place.
I don’t know if chiropractor are good or bad but I will tell you my experience.
My daughter was a gymnast and had a back injury. We went to a doctor and he said she was fine. We went to a chiropractor to see if we could find a way to get rid of the pain. He looked at the x rays and said he wasn’t going to touch her and take her to a doctor. We found a specialist and she had broke her back.
@@km5299 just sounds like one bad doctor in the mix.
@Bas Hartman look into the creator, the original first chiropractor.. he could heal deafness with adjustments..
No snake oil here.
Only chiros I'll ever see is if they're also physical therapists
My chiropractor stopped charging me when l didn't get better. He wanted me to get better insurance but l didn't.
Listening to how he handled his injuries is excruciating.
I know. I could almost feel my discs blowing out when he was describing squatting first day back from injury.
@@markmanzo2488 same. I am feeling an injury I never had.
“Light Weight, BABY!!!!!”
Now he can scream that line out while he loads and unloads himself from his wheelchair.
I know, haven't finished the video yet and I'm injured now.
Ronnie wasn't squatting 600lbs, he was leg-pressing the entire Earth.
Yeah keep pushing that rack to the clafe😒
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Technically, given that motion is relative, you could say that everyone is legpressing the earth.
That's Chuck Norris level of pushups.
@@SomeGuy-so3kk Nah you'd need to alter it's motion for it to count as legpress
Ronnie Coleman is simultaneously a great inspiration and cautionary tale.
Most are
@@xentiment6581 really watch jay Cutler how fit he is now and how good he looks, unilke gorilla coleman
Prof bodybuilding is not for prolonged time, same as biking, boxing etc. they will wear you down.
@@navsofour2892there's plenty motorcycle and bicycle riders beyond 60 around. Just not moto gp tour de France level.
@@xentiment6581I wonder how much of the blame can be placed at how bodybuilding started to overvalue mass vs aesthetics. In the “golden years” when Arnold was making a name, they focused as much on the latter as the former, and you didn’t see guys with these cartoonishly large physiques. I’d imagine not having to focus on building so much mass led to less intensity and therefore less stress on the body, relatively speaking. I’m just speculating though. But a lot of the bigger names from those days are still around and you don’t seem to hear about them having quite as extensive issues. But I only have a very surface-level interest in the sport, so I may be mistaken.
I'm not a medic nor a content creator, but I just want to compliment this channel for the amount of shout outs whenever using other people's information/video footage, this is a level of honesty I have never seen before in any other channel!
What a great channel, I love it! Congrats on the good work Doc!
Wow, thank you!
@@ChrisRaynorMD there's a scammer trying to get people using your picture but not your name and everything you'll see my picture in the comment look on there and you'll see that person.
Thanks Adam! Damn spammers! 😡
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I was going down Ronnie's road on a smaller scale. I was constantly working out through pain. One day, I decided to reduce my ego and go a totally different direction. I decide to put mobility and flexibility as a priority above raw strength. It made all the difference and changed my entire approach to fitness forever.
Smart move, we are young for a short time but old for a long time. I find the whole notion of body building being linked to the health & fitness industry is a sham. How can the use of large non medical steroid use & over straining of weight training be healthy for latter life. Tbh shows like Rx Muscle who promote steroid abuse should be scrutinized as to whether they should be on RUclips.
Romans 3:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God
Hebrews 9:28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and to them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin to salvation.
Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
John 3:18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.
John 3:16
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
James 2:17-18
In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.
18
But someone will say, "You have faith; I have deeds." Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by what I do.
Acts 17:30
In the past God overlooked such ignorance, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent.
2 Timothy 2:19
Nevertheless, God’s solid foundation stands firm, sealed with this inscription: “The Lord knows those who are his,” and, “Everyone who confesses the name of the Lord must turn away from wickedness.”
John 3:5-7
Jesus answered, “Amen, amen, I say to you, no one can enter the kingdom of God without being born of water and Spirit. What is born of flesh is flesh and what is born of spirit is spirit. Do not be amazed that I told you,
'You must be born from above. '
(All humans have sinned except for the Holy Son of God that have lived a human form and became the sacrifice for the sins of those who believe in him. And also those who believe should repent, turn away from there sins and shall change into more like him.
And everyone who follow Christ should be born again, that means you should change the way of your life and be born again.)
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@@uchihaobito1601 You are not a priest. Save the preaching for those who do it for a living.
Oh my god he's 58. Only 58. I know he did what he loved with what seems like no regrets, but the thought of being so debilitated at that age is terrifying. My father is 61 and runs 10 miles between 4 and 7 times a week. I couldn't imagine him being permanently on crutches
Yeah but many people also are in crutches and barely walk at 58 without ever training daily or becoming world champions. His youth injuries alone could have lead to this condition. He managed to push through it and succeed.
Dunno chief. Many people are in worse situations without ever achieving anything. Ronnie risked it all for his vision of dominance. He got it. Being debilitated or not is probably a non factor in legacy. I understand most people don’t think this way. But for others, sacrificing the body is worth greatness. What else is he going to use his body to do? Grow old and die?
@@jazzad dude. He was ok when he retired. He should have stopped there. He became an invalid after his career because he kept ego lifting
Ronnie would be better shape if he DID NOT do bodybuilding and just played golf and ate junk, but it was his choice.
@@jazzad I would dispute your claim that “many” at his age are in crutches. But let’s assume there are many. He purposely did this to himself. He was warned by doctors and of course he ignored them. So he took his body beyond what it could do because gear gives you a distorted grasp of the body’s limits. When you push it past those limits, past the limits your body signals you with acute pain, because you think you’re being dedicated Mother Nature has a way of being a harsh teacher of her lessons.
I feel like I need to go to the ER just hearing all of Ronnie's injuries.
My back started aching just listening to the Doctor.
@@terry_willis me too
FAAAAAAAAAAAACTS
No freaking kidding!!!
As a fellow physician, thanks for taking the time to educate and inform the audience, being respectful takes you a long way, I will do my bit on my area once I get tenure. We need more educated people to speak up on relevant or topics of interest to the public, the alternative is to have people with no education on the subject, spreading misinformation as their opinions. This has incredibly negative effects on our society. Thank you Chris.
I appreciate that! I completely agree with you. While I am not an academic physician, I love to educate (having a BEd as part of my pre-med path). Since research is not my focus I have to find alternative avenues to approach the topic of education. RUclips and social media have proven to be excellent platforms from which to do this. And while many academics may scoff at the informal nature of this education, the analytics of my reach do not lie. Remember this as you progress in your career. Use the power of this platform to get your message out. Hopefully, one day we can meet and we can talk about this conversation!
@@ChrisRaynorMD even though social media has caused some if the greatest misinformation and propaganda, it has also been the catalyst and medium for some education that I would say in some ways is even sometimes superior to traditional education! And I have all the respect for achedemia as someone thinking of going into it somewhat.
@@ChrisRaynorMD especially in your field, like, what is there about surgical medicine that is to be lost through social media???? I mean I have seen problems with other fields like politics and theoretical physics where there is some relatively more obvious reasons for narratives to form and misinfo to be spread. But again, what about your field? Like why don't they like it. I don't see any alternatives in the public sphere teaching about these things, but then again I'm not into these things so maybe I just don't know.
@@ChrisRaynorMD btw it's 3:30 am so I hope I made at least a little sense lol 😅
Hey op great pfp btw
Edit: where did u get it btw? Or where can I find it?
I survived ego lifting in my 20’s trying to show up others in the gym. In my 40’s it’s all about maintenance now because at the end of the day no one cares about how much you lift. I really appreciate the effort these pros put on their bodies to show us what is possible, but the price you pay is high. 🏋🏽♀️
I started lifting at about 30. Considering how much more of an idiot I was in my 20s I feel lucky to have started this late. I still push myself but my strength goals are very conservative, and I plan to go into maintenance mode soon. I'll then probably spend less time in the gym and more doing other stuff.
I'm in the same boat. I was a small kid so weight training helped me overcome some shyness and feelings of low self worth. In my 20's and 30's I got a lil nuts, going after personal bests and such. Now in my mid 40's I still work out but I'd much rather jog and walk trails than sling weights!
I think commercial gym level ego lifting and volume doesnt reach the diminishing returns ronnie was met with in his training. I go very heavy well into my 30s and plan to into my 50’s+ focusing on good technique and listening to my body. Like you, As i get older ill just put more emphasis on recovery and volume but not abandon strength goals altogether. But who knows life can change so quickly 😂
Everyone has natural potential without steroids. Many will never know what that potential is however. Professional body builders have turned the sport into a joke bc of steroid use.
I find it more impressive when people lift 8-10 reps with good form, full range of motion and maybe a half or cheat rep at the end to truly go to failure.
This is when you know muscle is going to be built, strength improved, while remaining injury free
Remember, everyone bodybuilding is not about health and fitness, it’s extreme sports. Every famous bodybuilder has always said this.
To many of them are very insecure people, who think looking big will fix everything, so you are right, health is not the objective in most cases.
I think it's interesting that gym culture went from "no pain no gain" to the more scientifically aware culture it is today. If you ask me, Ronnie was just a product of a wider gym/bodybuilding culture. The man did great, but also paid a great price. If nothing else, his hard work is definitely to be admired - just maybe not to the level of self destruction. Great video!
Yeah but he shows a lack of respect for the advice given by multiple medical professionals
@@messedupjoey It's easy to judge someone in hindsight. We don't know what he was battling with in his head. His life is bodybuilding, and maybe he was deluded enough to believe that he could push through anything. We all make mistakes.
No pain no gain still applies today...but the only good pain is getting in that extra rep or pushing yourself. If someone literally hurts then yea you're doing it wrong and you're going to seriously get injured.
@@SisypheanRoller i mean, he kinda did push through it all. He paid the price for pushing through, but he was the greatest man on earth at his passion for nearly a decade. If he thinks it was worth it, then it was worth it
It’s not mutually exclusive…evidence-based science plus going hard !
The fact that ronnie still alive goes to show the absolute unit he is
Even now this guy would kill me in a punch
Sure he’s still alive but thats not living.
It’s suffering.
@@Blessed_V0id Sure but the poor man would have to reach punching distance on crutches...
@@notreallyhere67 You have no idea how poor I am... please just cut me some slack please
@@Blessed_V0id The "poor man" I was referring to was Ronnie, the subject of the video, and his poor physical condition (he cannot walk without crutches). I wasn't calling YOU poor.
I swear my own discs compress a little everytime I hear Ronnie respond to a diagnosis of his shattered spine with "I went to the chiropractor and then two weeks later squatted 600"
Man lifted some insane weight, but also took the screws out of his head and had to have them put in his back.
this made me laugh. But in truth, I'm grateful to have witnessed Ronnie in his prime. Even to this date no bodybuilder has exceeded what Ronnie brought to the stage.
I think he just had new ones put in his back, leaving the screws in his head. I wish he'd sought help sooner, and not from a darn chiro.
@@TheMadAfrican1 I think i'm going to regret asking this, but whats wrong with a chiropractor?
@@oscarlove4394 Dr. Raynor has many videos on his channel talking about chiropractors. The tldr; best case.. Temporary relief. Worst case? Death or paralyzation.
Think about this: how does every movie trope portray breaking someones neck? Now think about what chiropractors do.
@@oscarlove4394 nothing he needed more that’s all
I'm an " old school" gym gal and competed as a BB for a few years.
I'm now 67 and I had a hip replacement and both of my rotator cuffs repaired.
I am full of arthritis as well.
I go to the gym 3 times weekly and of course I don't train heavy at all.
There are quite a few exercises that I can not do any longer.
Everyone tske care!
I'll have to talk to my son who is also a lifter.
Hey, I know this'll seem kinda stupid to you, but maybe look into going carnivore. It might help you out.
@@Butmunch666lol no it won’t
I'm a couple of years older than Ronnie, and also from the "no pain, no gain" era. I did a lot of stupid stuff playing football/rugby and in the Army, and the stupid things I did then are catching up to me (though thankfully not as bad as for Ronnie). So to the young guys- listen to Dr. Raynor. Don't try to "tough it out." When you are 50+, no one will give a damn that you were a tough guy at 20. You'll be better off in the long run if you take care of yourself. Work hard, but don't do long term damage to yourself.
I also wish I was smarter as a teen. I'm 34 now, still lift, but not as heavy as I did when I was younger.
@@airsoftsniperm40a33 I am your age and my training is intense but every exercise is selected from a spinal health perspective. No bent over rows, deadlifts, farmer walks. Only Smith machine squats with a vertical spine and high reps.
I was one of those bad boy tough guys in my teens and twenties. Now almost 40 and some days I can barely walk.
I agree once you hit mid 30's you need to take it easy. People want to be mister tough guy, show off for social media and other people in the gym and not thinking about the future.
Yup sir
Is there a thing called second-hand pain? Ronnie talking about his injuries and then working out gave me exactly that...
There probably is, I feel like I herniated a disc just listening to Ronnie explaining his disc herniating.
I felt it too
Typically that's just lumped in under the blanket of "Empathy" or whatever. I felt that shit too though man, shii.
Nah he just cyber broke your back
yes, actually. while under the blanket of “empathy” and “phantom pain” (not precisely like these two but the result is covered by these two things) you can “feel” sensations from watching something happen or hearing a description. ever seen a man get hit between the legs and people (men and women) instinctively react like they have been hit there? similar to that. even if you never had it happen the brain can simulate the experience to a degree, or recreate it if you did have it before. it varies from person to person and injury to injury.
for example, i have seen a man break his leg such that the bone tore through the flesh. even describing it makes my right leg uncomfortable and i rub it in the same place the bone was protruding from his leg. at the same time i have seen someone else have a very similar injury to their arm (bone saying hello and everything) and no such sensation occurs to me. it’s really interesting to me personally.
Finding out that Ronnie saw chiropractors for decades instead of actual medical intervention explains a LOT.
The good doctor was careful to note that both chiropractic AND his surgeries failed him
@@thomaskourkoulis8527 his surgeries failed him because he refused to take an adequate recovery time and decided that hitting the weights hard at 5am every morning, 6 days a week was okay because he couldn't shake his addiction to working out.
@@thomaskourkoulis8527 So what?
Medicine failed too therefore bone cracking is equal?
That's not how it works man...that's how you end up with leeches and humors!
I have had back issues all my life - even as a child. I have seen good chiropractors and bad, as well as medical doctors… both good and bad.
If you spend more time in a chiropractor’s waiting room than you do getting treated, find a new chiropractor. Ideally, your session should start by relaxing the muscles… unless they are relaxed, they will just pull the joints right back out of alignment post-treatment. Yes it adds time, but… you can see a chiropractor 3 times a week forever if not done correctly enough to bring about change.
If your doctor makes mistakes in your record, calls you the wrong name, etc., do you really want them making medical decisions for you, or cutting you open?
Some of my back issues responded to chiropractic treatment very quickly and thoroughly with no reoccurrence. On the other hand, when I fragmented the disc at L5-S1, surgery was the only option. (A herniated, bulging, or ruptured disc is one thing… the inner jelly sticks out through the outer part of the disc. With fragmentation, the jelly protrudes, then comes apart. Instead of fixing itself in 6 days, weeks, months, or years, a fragmented disc will never fix itself.) My surgery was initially a success… complete relief. Unfortunately, scar tissue set in 6-8 weeks later, and I ended up with a debilitating disability, despite following instructions re: therapy, exercise, diet, etc. (I tried the chiropractor, but the pain was so excruciating I screamed and blacked out. To his credit, he didn’t keep trying, but knew when pain meant adjustment wasn’t an option. He really helped when he could though.
I guess my main point would be: don’t settle for second rate medical treatment - whether it’s a chiropractor or doctor or surgeon or even someone fumbling through a blood draw that’s not going well. Medical people have to learn by doing, but YOU don’t have to be a sacrificial learning case.
Are you suggesting chiropractors aren’t actual medical intervention? That a chiropractor Ronnie saw didn’t recognize the severity of his problem is on the chiropractor-not a flaw inherent to the practice of chiropractic medicine.
To be fair to Ronnie, if his first back injury was in the 90s, it's very likely that a doctor would have told him to just rest as this was still a common practice. It was only the late 90s early 2000s that continued light exercise was starting to become advised for back pain. Heck outside of athletes most people still held that belief until late 2000s
Nah, serious herniation that caused sciatica pain would have been treated the same way then as today. A lot more than rest would have been prescribed had he sought proper medical attention. You speaking having been alive 25 years ago, or from any experience?
I am impressed how patient you are with Ronnie. Honestly, I grew more and more frustrated towards him whenever he recalled the 100th incident of him getting injured and ignoring what his doctors said to him.
Same. I mean it’s his body. But some people use their bodies as though they and their bodies are not the same thing.
There is commitment to your goals and “making sacrifices.” There is also needless self harm.
Continuing to damage his body after retirement is the latter. Continuing to finish training after herniating a disc is so dumb.
At a certain point it’s just not admirable anymore, even just like “bit for everyone but that’s pretty incredible.” He crossed the line into blatant stupidity and frankly pathological behaviour.
I guess if he is happy, then good for him. But I am pretty sure 9/10 people would have major regrets. Then again 99% of people know to stop when their back explodes in the gym.
Well, someone had to squat the 800 pounds. He couldn't depend on anyone else, so he did it himself.
@@emilchandran546 his commitment to his goal can't be separated from the needless self harm. His goal was to be the biggest, that requires an amazing amount of drugs from a 40+ year old man at the time. Nothing he did was natural and it went beyond what the body is able to handle. His goal was to embody needless self harm in human form
Exactly what i was thinking. I understand ignoring pain, very recently i experienced it myself. I was crocheting lol and my dominant wrist started hurting, and i could not stop myself lmao, i adjusted and kept going for like an hour. Idk, may be i hyperfocused. Anyway, i googled and did some stretching afterwards, and next time i was more careful and was ready to stop.
Hearing him making the same stupid thing once and once again is painful
@@neiljohnson7914 no one needs to do that man they WANT to
Thanks for adding a healthy dose of reality to someone that is widely considered a legendary figure in bodybuilding. Your analysis is thorough, reasonable, and entertaining.
🙏🙏🙏
The sad part is that everything the doc said is just more detail on the totally obvious problems with Ronnie's training. Yet gym bros deny or ignore the obvious problems and proceed to emulate Ronnie's training.
@@jakemccoynobody emulates his training because few can lift that heavy;he is revered as a legend because he saw destiny and grabbed it with both hand and back
@@jackholman5008 Your post makes sense in your mind?
@@jakemccoy hell yea ronnie was a lunatic but people love him we dont emulate anything he did its 2024
His biggest issue probably wasn’t his back but his addiction to exercise
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John 3:18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.
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'You must be born from above. '
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@@uchihaobito1601 with the power of anime and god
addiction to steroids you mean?
@@jasonvoorhees5640 this is prolly bait and I hope my spirit will forgive me for this but eat a brick
@@tubax926 and wonder woman.
Ronnie's back injuries are scarey. Would not want that for any competition. Can't believe he had some of those before his 8 titles. Genuinly impressed and in disbelief.
People like Ronnie while inspiring from an athletics standpoint, are not people to imitate for health and fitness
Man. I've exercised, but I've never injured myself. And hearing this is hurting my back. I never could imagine me pushing through pain like that.
Being able to blind yourself from pain is a curse more than anything.
Me either and I dance ballet but not in the toe shoes . I’ve never danced when I’m in pain
always remember to have enough rest, injured or not lmao
sounds like you might want to lay down, watching this intense video.
Know your body let it heal I've learned to do this. Haven't lifter in a year and I use to work out before going to my 10 hr day construction job.
A year ago I had a minor knee injury, nothing that couldn't be solved by rest and antiinflammatories: I checked online the structure of a knee to picture what exactly was hurting and I was like "HOLY SH*T! IT'S THAT COMPLICATED?!". I think these things should be taught in school: know how your body works, know how to respect it
I mean no disrespect. I am probably older than you. back in high school we had biology with a semester dedicated to biology. So, I knew about the patella, tendons, meniscus and cartilage by age 18. Is that no longer taught in schools?
@@Galworld761 not at all
@@jamier65551 I thought to myself "What? How is that possible when they teach that in my book?" Then I realise my H.S.B book is from the 1990s.
@@Galworld761 I’m a current high school student and I’ve found that most high school athletes have a basic knowledge of most muscle groups, but I am not sure about the rest of the students. Im part of my school’s biomedical program so we learn about all the muscle stuff pretty early on but I can’t speak for the general biology classes
@@jamier65551 what? I'm 18 now and one of the first things I had in biology class was the composition of the body; muscles, tendons, bones, etc.
When ronnie talks about his only regret was not getting 4 reps instead of the 2 he got. Gives me goosebumps and brings a tear to my eye. This guy is body building
Dang if he did do 4 reps he would be getting around looking like a doggo scooting!
Yeah, very stupid
More like body destruction.
More like body destruction.
Ronnie always had body image issues. It’s quite odd and sad
Ronnie Coleman is a legend. He was my D.A.R.E. officer in 6th grade. We all loved that guy! So sad he got messed up over time through all these injuries. Take care of your body, men! You only get one.
Like many other DARE officers, yours was on drugs, at the time he functioned as your DARE officer.
@@vwcanter Haha! Yes. Granted, Ronnie was on performance enhancing ones, not narcotics. Qualitative difference worth pointing out, but the overall thrust, the idea that drug prohibition is both hypocritical and damaging in subtle ways, stands. I could go into a long geopol thing about this but I'll spare you (already made a few videos on the subject anyway).
We live in interesting times.
May you find a way to make the best of it.
I can’t imagine he regrets any of it though. Muhammad Ali got Parkinson’s from boxing, he doesn’t regret anything.
@@dingle37 he was passionate about what he did and thats all there really is to it. Some people are willing to put their lives in danger for their craft and Ronnie was definitely one of them.
@@dingle37 how did boxing cause him Parkinson's?
About three times Ronnie had screws inserted in his spine. Instead of healing he started lifting again like three days later. You can't let things like lifting become an obsession. Even if you are a former Mr. Olympia.
i mean... when he got the screws he was already screwed up... when you get that invasive and restricting surgery, assuming youre lucky and have no complications, you are already in worse shape than before.
@@SkyForceOne2 Like three times after spinal surgery ronnie was back in the gym like the next day when his doctors prescribed months off. ronnie is super nice guy but when you do things like that you have a mental issue you need to deal with. he basically pulled the screws out of his spine.
@@christopherjames9843 yeah but like i said, he probably couldnt accept it that he had to take things slower. He got lucky with the screws in the first place, that he apparently didnt have complication from the surgery. but yeah no matter what treatment he got, training 3 days after getting injured is...
@@SkyForceOne2 if Ronnie had listened to his doctors he would be fine today. It is a shame.
@@christopherjames9843 “fine” - no. He would be better, sure. But his back would still be far worse than your average person; the only way to be fine is not to get injured in the first place
Ronnie was suffering daily in his entire bodybuilding career and reigned on top of BB for almost a decade. He truly is a different breed of human.
A chemically infused Mass monster?
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Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
John 3:18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.
John 3:16
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
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In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.
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But someone will say, "You have faith; I have deeds." Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by what I do.
Acts 17:30
In the past God overlooked such ignorance, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent.
2 Timothy 2:19
Nevertheless, God’s solid foundation stands firm, sealed with this inscription: “The Lord knows those who are his,” and, “Everyone who confesses the name of the Lord must turn away from wickedness.”
John 3:5-7
Jesus answered, “Amen, amen, I say to you, no one can enter the kingdom of God without being born of water and Spirit. What is born of flesh is flesh and what is born of spirit is spirit. Do not be amazed that I told you,
'You must be born from above. '
(All humans have sinned except for the Holy Son of God that have lived a human form and became the sacrifice for the sins of those who believe in him. And also those who believe should repent, turn away from there sins and shall change into more like him.
And everyone who follow Christ should be born again, that means you should change the way of your life and be born again.)
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@@uchihaobito1601 Lol no.
@@Marth667You really need Jesus.
@@aldrinaldrin3723 I just checked, and nope, he really doesn't.
Some people need to see what happens when mind over body goes to the extreme. It's a shame Ronny didn't take recovery more seriously. Would have been interesting to see whether he would have been able to achieve his weight-lifting feats without the crippling complications. His relationship with working out was that of an addiction and just like any other, it destroyed his body.
True. A lot of people are all too willing to overlook Ronny's extreme hubris because of his enormous trophy cabinet. He considered himself above taking advice. He is an untreated addict. He's had plenty of surgeries, but he's made no progress on his addiction, which means he can't moderate his obsession with lifting weights - even when it threatens his ability to lift weights. I see it as more a failure of education, guidance and self-knowledge, rather than a sporting triumph. I have no idea that he put other people close to him through a lot through his self-centered approach to life. But as an addict, I also feel sympathy for him because I know he can't feel good any other way. He's in for a very hard final chapter of his life. I hope he continues to feel it was worth it.
@@andoletube he is addicted to the fame of breaking the limits. its not a training addiction.
@@andoletube maybe take a rest on the RUclips comments psych evaluations?
@@boot_boy_6945 Nah, I'm good.
It might have. For example, look at Scott, the father of (also) Scott as he appears in the Kentucky Kustoms channel: that man is at least 50, he's about as jacked as his son (which is IMPRESSIVE, as Scott Jr. fires elephant rifles like they're slightly powerful air guns and dwarfs Houston the bodybuilder), and he has no problems moving around or doing tasks such as car repair and customization. I dunno how much he lifts but he's clearly been doing it for a long time.
Back in medical school, we would have presented Ronnie Coleman's case during surgical rounds as what *_never should be done..._* one surgery after another, by what we would consider a non-compliant patient. Mohammed Ali developed Alzheimer's later in life, but he had stopped taking punches. Ronnie just kept at it.
Mohammed ali stopped taking punches to late in his boxing career tho. He should have stopped way sooner but he was broke and way passed his prime and fighting for money.
Didn’t Mohammad Ali have Parkinson’s disease
Meanwhile we have fanboys in these comments uncritically supporting everything Ronnie did to his spine.
You cannot convince me heavy squats and deadlifts with a compromised spine is good for any standard of physical fitness or sport--not even bodybuilding.
@@timothynewton6421 yes…caused by multiple blows to the head…common boxer issue
And to be fair, what docs could have done? Ronnie will either ignore pain or go for less reputable doc or third option will be trying to medicate himself. All things considered, what happened was probably the best outcome.
As some one who pulled a ligament in their back, I can not imagine the kinds of pain he must of been ignoring.
What means 'must of been ?' Mustard and beans ?
I know what it feels like 😤
@Dsmv Absolutely, you should go see a doctor to check it out( please don’t go see chiropractor at the beginning). Back pain only get worse when you age, please don’t ignore injury.
@@mariosalikatoras6658 they mean: 'must have been' not 'must of bean'. they wrote it like that because thats how many people say it (although incorrect)
@@mariosalikatoras6658 be respectful
Knowing and accepting that the human body has limitations is the first step to ensuring you live a good life with minimal suffering and pain.
It's crazy that he suffered the injury early in his life and was still able to lift weights like he did
Romans 3:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God
Hebrews 9:28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and to them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin to salvation.
Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
John 3:18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.
John 3:16
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
James 2:17-18
In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.
18
But someone will say, "You have faith; I have deeds." Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by what I do.
Acts 17:30
In the past God overlooked such ignorance, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent.
2 Timothy 2:19
Nevertheless, God’s solid foundation stands firm, sealed with this inscription: “The Lord knows those who are his,” and, “Everyone who confesses the name of the Lord must turn away from wickedness.”
John 3:5-7
Jesus answered, “Amen, amen, I say to you, no one can enter the kingdom of God without being born of water and Spirit. What is born of flesh is flesh and what is born of spirit is spirit. Do not be amazed that I told you,
'You must be born from above. '
(All humans have sinned except for the Holy Son of God that have lived a human form and became the sacrifice for the sins of those who believe in him. And also those who believe should repent, turn away from there sins and shall change into more like him.
And everyone who follow Christ should be born again, that means you should change the way of your life and be born again.)
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@@uchihaobito1601 stop please
@@richardofredemption +1
@@uchihaobito1601 your God isn't real
@@uchihaobito1601 you’re around 900 years too late bub, the crusades already accomplished what the bottom of your comment says you’re trying to do! No biggie being behind the times though, you’re good.
"I always did 12, 15 reps with 600, at rep 8 i heard this loud POP😳. So then i went & did leg press.." I can hardly process this.
Greatness
Reminds me of the guys I met in the military in the 80’s in the infantry and airborne who are now carrying chronic injuries and diseases from pushing themselves way too far.
I suspect your view on chiropractic treatments are similar to my own (I'm a retired Alexander teacher), but quite honestly NO therapy or technique could keep pace with someone who is working so hard in the opposite direction. In other words, the patient in this case was working harder to hurt himself than the therapist could repair the damage. It was a lost cause.
Ronnie is the king. It is really sad how his obessive training program broke him. The man is legendary for his accomplishments, cautionary tale, and example of how hard a mind can push its body.
He wouldn't be able to do all of this if he didn't do roids and all kinds of other stimulants on top of it.
It's the roids that finally broke him.
If you do things naturally, the entire body benefits. Once you choose the "supplements", it's almost inevitable your gonna suffer heavily later.
Frankly, I look down on anyone who chooses to do things this way.
There's no honor in cheating.
Bodybuilding on professional level is totally corrupt.
@@mitsanut5869 Roids don't give you instant gains. They only multiply effort. Ronnie still put in hours upon hours upon hours.
> stimulants
Guess I suck at my office job because I need ~3 cups of coffee to get started every morning.
@@hugmynutus arguing just for the sake of having to argue
@@hugmynutus why don't you teach me something, dude.
I have been personal witness to horrific injuries in the gym these things caused when (back then) I was working out next to guys who were European and World amateur bodybuilding champs.
And they did those things in much smaller quantity then guys like Coleman & Co., because they were officially registered as amateurs.
You don't know what you're talking about. I was one of the very few who didn't touch those things at all.
Stimulants? No, they don't drink coffee. They only inject themselves with Vitamin cocktails that could knock out a horse right before they hit the weights.
I've seen a lot, dude.
@@mitsanut5869 arguing for the sake of arguing much? Say your barb then still circle back 4 hours later. LMAO
1:48 my husband's best friend actually broke his back in high school and didn't know it until years later when he had to get an xray for something else. the guy played football and did weightlifting in HS and the doctor thought that because he was so young and strong (he had incredible back and core muscle strength) he was able to keep living his life normally without knowing he had a broken back! it's amazing what the human body can endure!
Damn that's scary
I found out years after I broke my back too. I slipped in a creek and landed on a rock the size of a bowling ball. Limped for a couple weeks while working (I worked with trucking and giant tires). Anyway, fast forward a few years and had an ex ray for something else and the DR asked me when I had broken my back and why I didn’t mention it to him during intake.. He told me the same thing about why it healed, I ha strong core muscles that must have held everything in place. I told him what I was doing for a living back then and he said I was lucky I didn’t end up paralyzed. About The lightest tires we worked on where 250 lbs and we only used tire bars and sledge hammers to dismantle them.
My father, who was a chiropractor, complained all the time how corrupt most chiropractors and their practices are. He ultimately went into practice by himself becaue he refused to defraud insurance companies and lawsuits.
Honestly defrauding insurance companies could be viewed as morally ok because of how corrupt they are lol. Except in cases it costs the client more
I was going to an acupuncturist. She worked in an office with a chiropractor. I went to her off an on for a year and at the end of that year all the patients the chiropractor saw were gone, having completed their treatment successfully. Whatever modality, you should see improvement with treatment and an honest practitioner will tell you when they have reached the limit of what they can do for you. I got treatment from that chiropractor and it was helpful and did not go on for years. You can be proud you Dad was an ethical practitioner. PS. I've needed several ortho surgeries in my life, I match the practice to the condition.
my son a neurologist refers to chiropractors simply as quacks practicing weird quack 'science'.
@@calvinsimpson1301 You're wrong! Insurance companies ALWAYS pass the cost onto innocent premium payers. It's NOT ok!
@@angelachouinard4581 I agree completely. If the practitioner is ethical, there is no problem. Unfortunately, in chiropractics, that's rarely the situation. Thanks for what you said about my dad. He was a horrible husband & father, but he was ethical in business.
Injured from overexertion back in the service, here, and it took ages to somewhat recover. The sheer image of Ronnie makes me want to put just that much more oomph into my workouts, but the insights from Doc here also vindicate the caution I now exercise.
Yeah, it really shows you that you have to train carefully and not to overdo it.
Sometimes hard to know if your pushing yourself hard enough or already going too hard. Always better to be safe than sorry.
@@subject8776
Steroids mask the injuries, allow faster muscle recovery, but not joint or tendon and ligament recovery, so you don't really know if you have an injury until the pain gets bad. This was told to me by a bodybuilder who was recovering from a torn or detached pec muscle. And like Ronnie, he still was lifting when he shouldn't have by using steroids and pain killers.
@@fazole Damn, thanks for the insight.
I was overusing my knees in the army and it got swollen and hurted pretty bad. Now, 8 years later I still feel like that knee isn't on the same level as the other one.
I must admit that Ronny is frustratingly admirable. I kept shaking my head every time I heard about the next surgery because I knew what was coming next
admirable like a clown or comedian?
Admiring someone that is paying the price for practically eating roids for breakfast, lunch and dinner seems stupid to me.
@@good8619 of course thats stupid but in the end of the day it shows how extremely dedicated he was. He threw away his health and future for that one dream. Thats admirable. Especially nowdays where nobody even tries to achieve what they really want because they’re scared of whatever.
@@bigd5899 I’m dedicated to smoking weed every day. Am I admirable for ruining my life too? Lol.
@@nickthompson1812 The admirable thing is that he sacrificed his health for his dream. But, I agree it’s still pretty stupid.
The man has too much pain tolerance. Too much.
I’m a woman with diastasis recti (from pregnancy) and I work to bring awareness to the condition among moms to be…I had never heard of it and it went undiagnosed and I returned to the gym and unknowingly made it even worse. Most could have been prevented. I even work in rehab and studied kinesiology..not mentioned anywhere, not even in pre-pregnancy books or classes. Yet it’s insanely common 🤦♀️🤦♀️
Anyway it looked glaringly obvious Ronnie had it even during multiple Olympia wins…and I can’t understand how (or maybe it was??) it was either overlooked, or undiagnosed?? Maybe he just pushed through and ignored it idk.
If one doesn’t have it themselves, I imagine it can be hard to understand how it creates muscle imbalance and requires really super careful techniques for core stabilization to prevent making it worse, but to prevent back pain and injury.
I can’t imagine the amount of heavy weights and straining etc he was doing with that injury, and it definitely didn’t look healed. With DR, we measure the gap in finger widths and his looked at LEAST several fingers wide! that is severe. so it was undoubtedly causing an insane amount of agonist/antagonist imbalance and extra strain on his poor back. Bless you Ronnie!! 💛💪
I find it really difficult to have some blame for the chiropractor (despite my general low regard for chiropractic) because of Ronnie’s history of going against every bit of medical advice he was given. On his documentary his surgeon is shown telling him what not to do and Ronnie went and did it.
Ronnie was pushing so hard with what surgeons told him not to do that he would sheared the screws in his spine.
It was on video. The spinal fusion failed because he went right to lifting AMA.
Exactly! I had a friend like that too. He was a power lifter and after surgery he would go back to his old power lifting training and would re injur himself. Guys like Ronnie r very intense.
@dejuren Chiropractors are not scammers. Ronnie would have likely got better if he stopped lifting after he got a slipped disc and got help from a chiropractor instead of getting an operation.
@@aquamon17 chiros are psuedo medicine. No good evidence backs them up.
@@StfuSiriusly No mate, they helped me when I got a sliiped disc after squatting. By they I mean a chiro and an osteopath. My upper body was not straight and there was no way a doctor could fix that with medicines.
@dejuren those might be scammers but not all of what they do is scam.
Went once to a chiro and he gave me same advice as physiotherapist. He just cracked a few things on top of that. If i pinch a nerve i don't want to see a physiotherapist telling me to stretch, i want relief. But overall physioterapist always brought me results in the long run
Never trust magic solutions. Few thing give instant result.
Highly professional, very clear insight to what happen to our dear Ronnie col. Thank you doc ! You got another follower.
Welcome aboard!
My mans kept lifting even after the back pop. He was a monster.
I love the breakdown Doc. Great content. Thank you!
Ron was a guest poser at a show here. First impression was how massive, immense, he was in person. Second was how gracious, accommodating, humble and, self-deprecating he was. Wish him the best.
You’re so professional and informative, such excellent content. You really do deserve more popularity!
I feel so bad for Ronnie. Wish he had a team that kept him safe during his recent "comeback".
That's the thing though - doesn't matter how many experts tell him stuff, if he won't listen or won't stop.
@@patheddles4004 true but I wouldn't work with him as a professional if he didn't listen to me.
I used to work with Dave Muhlenkamp former world-class powerlifter and San Diego Charger Offensive Lineman back in the 70s.... By the time Dave was in his early 40s he could barely walk and he told me to never to get into Power Lifting and he regretted the path he had taken.....
I'm sure Ronnie has regrets but he's not going to voice them because he's got his Pride....
Deep respect for Ronnie but some of these guys don't know when to quit....sadly
Going to show this to every gym goer I know. A lot of injuries occur because people actually don't know enough about the body and how much rest and recovery it truly needs. Stay safe and educate yourselves people.
I dont deadlift, i use freeweights mostly at the gym, never had too much trouble despite a bunch of joint problems, theres numerous ways to workout without pushing your body too far
Please do not show this to "every" "gym goer", please
The issues ronnie were met with are unrelatable and irrelevant to the vast majority of gym goers. To be scared to deadlift or lift heavy using ronnie coleman as an example is simply irrational unless you specifically know someone who constantly ego lifts or refuses to listen to their body.
@@Vihara2 lame. Deadlifts are great. No point living your life scared.
@@fenixchief7 im not scared of anything, i get a great workout and push myself to the limit, muscle development/strength was never a problem for me, joint mobility and tendon strains are a constant burden, plus my cardio strength has always been terrible so that's what i work on.
I dont need to deadlift, it gives great results, but its also risky, the quickest and most efficient ways to gain muscle and strength are also some of the most dangerous and injury prone. Denying this fact, is just stupid. Don't be stupid. You can do it, i wont say not to, but at 35 years old i don't see the need myself.
Honestly, I agree 1000% with you on the chiropractor stuff. Some are good, SOME. There are a ton of quacks out there that do tremendous harm. I've always enjoyed your content and hope you'll always speak your mind sir.
Totally agree!
There are good and bad in every profession. On the whole, the field of chiropractic is rated among the absolute safest and has the highest patient satisfaction ratings. Statistical odds of any injury of significance is extremely rare and estimated by Dr. Cassidy in the most comprehensive study ever conducted to be about 1 in 5.8 million. In twenty-five years of private practice and two years of internship, I have performed several million adjustments with zero reported patient injuries and an over 98% success rate. I will put my record up against any medical provider in my community. I have had numerous medical doctors under my care and have referred several hundred patients for treatment outside my facilities including for spinal surgery. I have caught numerous conditions missed by my patients medical doctors and sent some for immediate emergency evaluations. Do I know chiropractors that I have limited confidence in? Sure, but no more so than any other healthcare profession.
@@tobymitchell8081 but safety and patient satisfaction aren't effectiveness. If I sell people crystals I will have 100% safety of practice and my "patients" will receive a legitimate benefit once the placebo effect kicks in, and then their biases being confirmed will cause a feeling of satisfaction.
Of course you should be allowed to receive money from people for making them feel good, that's probably the oldest way to make money. But when you call yourself a doctor you mislead people about the effect you can have.
Ronnie Coleman always left his visits feeling that something positive happened, but that feeling deluded him into thinking he was caring for an issue that chiropracty never made better.
@@muscularclassrepresentativ5663 that’s an interesting perspective, however; there have been more scientific research studies confirming the effectiveness of chiropractic care than virtually all other medical treatments. I personally know Ronnie Coleman and Lee Haney. Both have been under chiropractic care but Ronnie placed undue stress on his body that no level of treatment could have stopped from destroying his body. Ronnie did not even allow for proper recovery or rehabilitation after spinal surgery. Nothing except Ronnie Coleman quitting and never lifting any significant weight could have saved him. Chiropractic treatment may have very well been able to resolve his problems under normal conditions as it has for hundreds of millions of people around the world. The doctor of chiropractic program is the longest doctoral program in all of healthcare requiring more that 4400 hours of study with more time in orthopedics, Xray, and diagnosis than a medical doctor. Virtually every insurance company I work with requires objective proof of improvement as a requirement of care. They don’t care how the patients feel. I think you have erroneous misconceptions regarding the training and education of doctors of chiropractic. It is not a placebo effect when people walk in with vertigo or debilitating migraines and walk out without those conditions. The United States foundation for healthcare policy and research found that chiropractic care is the best option for acute lower back pain based on research published in 1997. The studies are too numerous and exhausting to list but the governments of Australia, Canada, Great Britain, New Zealand, and Denmark all have published studies noting the safety, efficacy, and effectiveness of chiropractic care for a myriad of conditions.
There isn’t any solid research showing that chiropractic care works well for anything. You have to have double blind studies done by neutral investigators. None of that exists.
Just hearing the Doc speak about some of Ronnie's injuries and then how Ronnie just treated them like "oh that hurts a bit let's do 600LB squats" just shows what a Tank Ronnie was and still is, a true gladiator and the Doc a true gentleman being respectful AF and explaining in depth perfectly as usual 👌
No it shows us how ego can destroy even a strong man too almost nothing. He would of still been great maybe greater if he took care of his body.
@@tedlessor3887 no shot he’s the greatest that was ever seen even if he took care of his body he wouldn’t have been as big and probably wouldn’t have won 8 olympias it’s j the price he had to pay
@@yvngthugga8410 not true an injury free Ronnie peak would be greater. And thats common sense injuries limit us. Ronnie was not super human.
@@yvngthugga8410 Jay cutler is also a bodybuilder , look at him.
Lee Haney, who also won 8 Olympia titles, liked to say, "Train to STIMULATE, not ANNIHILATE."
Ronnie may have been able to accomplish the same results by training differently, meaning especially smarter.
As an FYI .. I have a real problem with chiropractic care as it almost killed me. I know this because the chiropractor himself told me I was "lucky to have survived" what was happening to me.
Apparently, the human neck is supposed to have a gentle curve. Mine is straight. When he tried to put that curve back, I would randomly become paralyzed from the neck down. It happened several times. Once it woke me up and I had to seriously concentrate to breathe. Another one, my mom was at my trailer when it happened. She called the chiropractor, he came right out and I could move again. The next day, he start putting me back the way I was. Haven't had THAT happen since.
Everybody who has been into weight training since the last 25+ years knows the name "Ronnie Coleman". It can't be denied that he has been influential (good/bad).
Using this figurehead, Dr. Chris Raynor has laid out the pitfalls lucidly. All the time maintaining respect and keeping technicality to a minimum. Much respect to you good sir.
This video might have been targeted towards your interns. However, us average humans having minimal training regimens in their lives, have been benefited as well.
It's honestly very sad he never went to a doctor to have his injuries properly diagnosed. I wonder if he would be in a better position physically today if he had at least gone to a professional instead of a chiropractor...
So much of what he experienced was avoidable.
It's absolutely insane how tough this guy is and how high his pain tolerance is !
But not wise.
"High pain tolerance" is a damn understatement
Guy probably wouldn't even notice a kidney stone
@@Zomburai45 if he got shot, i doubt he will register it instantly as a bullet wound. The sheer pain tolerance this guy have is insanely cool and scary.
Most people who have addictive compulsive personalities or are mentally ill usually have high tolerance for pain.
And thats usually bad.
Last year I injured my forearm, and I went to a chiropractor friend of mine for treatment. After three visits my pain wasn’t going away, so I decided to go see an orthopedic doctor, and he got me treated and I’ve been pain free since.
People have stories like this both ways, but I just think that the chiros treating Ronnie were in way over their heads and they should have advised Ronnie to speak to a surgeon long before he ever did.
Ronnie Coleman did what it took to achieve massive success and is paying the price. I didn't hear Ronnie express one shred of regret. His level of sacrifices isn't for everyone. Thanks Doc for breaking it down.
And this man still working out!
What this video also says through that pshisiologist, is that Ronnie did not train smart and could have probably achieved the same result if he had found and listened to a good phisiologist. That is what other athletes have been doing for years and ended up dominating in their chosen fields.
Sacrifice for ego is not sacrifice, it is vanity.
@@Tugela60 Right. Classic Narcissist. But we are greatful
Training soon after surgery, against his surgeons directions, caused his spinal fusion to fail and resulted in him making LESS progress. He was straight up dumb and didn't need to be in this situation.
Ronnie is the kind of guy who became a legend, and who absolutely noone should take as an example. He completely destroyed himself to reach that goal, going overboard with overtraining that yielded close to no additional gains. The kind of victory that leaves you in ruin.
Good for him if he thinks it was all worth it. Still not a man to look up to, unless reckless self-annihilation is your end goal.
A bit sad that yours ist one of the few posts saying that Coleman is NOT somebody to look up to. If I have to read another "but he is a legend" comment, I'll just puke.
Absolutely agree.
I'm very appreciative of your intelligence that is communicated with excellent articulation. You are a rarity among the barrage of people fighting for viewers. I'm glad I found your channel. Subscribed
Wow, thank you!
Dr. Raynor, I thoroughly enjoy your videos. I am a 60 year old who still lifts weights. You offer great tips and information. Thank you.
Hell yeah. Respect for keeping yourself in good shape.
Glad you're giving a shout out to Dr. Mike Israetel (Renaissance Periodization on YT) & Jeff Nippard. I think their channels are great resources for those dabbling or getting deeper into lifting and muscular development.
Cool, thanks
I think that’s what’s more impressive than his strength was his pain tolerance. Hearing Dr. Raynor describe the injuries makes me squirm from just imagining the pain.
A lot of people here are missing the fact that he didn't listen to a doctor and ruined himself. Like all that matters are his accomplishments, not his life. 🧐
Someone asked him how many steroids he wanted and the answer was “Yes.” Allegedly.
For the record, my wife had cervical fusion at two levels. This made her neck far worse. She has now had 4 surgeries and she's far worse than before she had her first surgery. Several friends and family have had lumbar disc injuries requiring fusion. All are worse than before. Several wore out the good discs above and below the fusion and had to get those fused as well.
I thought surgery made it all better. I have a bulging disc, and thought about an artificial disc replacement. My orthopedic doctor did not recommend surgery. I have no pain, and can feel my legs.
@@thundergato84bulging Discs heal by themselves. They never require surgery. Even with herniated Discs surgery is optional.
You can grow more muscle mass, but you cannot add skeletal mass. To me it seems like Ronnie exceeded the the limits of his skeleton.
False. You can increase bone density.
When you have to use a calculator to to figure out how much weights you're stacking then maybe time to stop the cycles
A big problem with getting that big is that the maintenance program is still intense and laborious. Without out it, they turn to fat or lose a lot of weight and end up with sagging skin. It’s a huge commitment, for life.
Well they lose the weight because they got off or lower their steroid use. While some muscle can be kept after quitting drug use these guys take so much their body cannot maintain the muscle without it
U mean steroid big?
I've known guys that used steroids and were far bigger than me (being natural). After they stopped using, they shrunk and I was much bigger. A complete reversal. Showed me how much steroid use both helps temporarily, but also hinders "real" lasting gains.
@@IanSinclair77 I’ve often referred to body builders as having a million dollar body; with inflation that might be a 2 million dollar body now. The reason is that the amount of time spent building that body might amount to those sums if that time was spent earning wages. The point is that those bodies, natural or assisted, require a tremendous effort to maintain into old age, which is exceedingly difficult. But there seems little choice as not doing it likely results in turning into a fat big guy. Genetics will determine the degree of fat and size for sure. But the people tend to eat nearly the same without the work. When I stopped, I maintained the same body weight, but it slowly transformed its shape and makeup. When I started hiking and running, my body changed again and approached my 18 year old self, but with less muscle mass. I’m 61 now. I mentioned this because I found it crazy that Ronnie would continue that level of lifting with those injuries. But I presume he is driven both by work ethic but also by self image and ego. Getting that big is both a huge commitment an albatross, unless you can let it go.
I hurt my back the first time doing jumping jacks in high school during the summer for football. I felt it pop/tear. 35 years later I have 2-3 spasms in that spot and about every 10 years I get one of those “put you on the floor” versions. Treatment? Diagnosis? Nah. Was no such thing then. Just limp around and hurt.
Ledgend has it ronnie's trainer doesn't lift, he got that big just spotting him.
Ronnie's amazing pain thresh hold, and unfortunate self destruction paved the way for a better health conscious gym culture. His sacrifice is not in vain. Fantastic video doctor and team!
Sounds like this man had a severe addiction to weightlifting. I cant think any other reason why someone would continue to train to such intensity otherwise.
Addiction to greatness, his legacy and accomplishments will live well beyond his body.
@@doodlebob3758 I'm not discounting his achievements. His drive and motivation and discipline is something very few people can emulate. The problem is seemingly his inability to properly rest and recover. To me, it feels like he has an addiction to weightlifting and getting big.
@@Midtierman Well, of course. As far as longevity, he could've went about it a lot better. But in the grand scheme of making your mark as a person, do believe that juice was worth the squeeze?
I have a disc bulge right now. Thank you Doc and Ronnie for confirming proper recovery and not continuing to push myself in the future until I’m permanently crippled.
My back has been hurting bad for yrs now 😫
@@cutratecontractor1000 you immobilize yourself to allow healing?
Man was the greatest but man his spine is fused from top to bottom. Paid a heavy price that’s for sure
Not only are you an amazing doctor, you are a talented videographer and editor.
I can't take the credit for the editing. I have a great team helping me out now!
@@ChrisRaynorMD Honest and humble, too. 🏆
Your video is captivating, informative and complete. You effortlessly showed the arc of the cause &effect of body building, coupled with inadequate or disregard of medical intervention and chronic pain management.
The bonus was the overview of weight lifting culture over time. I’m someone who gets impatient watching a 1 minute short, and this engrossed my attention for 31:13. Excellent presentation.
I am my own personal Ronnie. I made so many mistakes in and outside the gym. All because of ego. All because I had to prove something to someone else or myself.
Listen: No one will give a shit about what you looked like and how much you lifted 20 years ago. I messed up my neck and my back and to this day I'm paying the price for it. I'm still working out and still finding ways to keep fit while not messing up my body even more. It seems almost impossible.
The damage is done. This doc said something REALLY important during the video. He said that Ronnie could have possibly gained and maintained the same level of excellence without destroying his body. That is most def true as I now have come to realize. Your body is your temple. It's your vessel. Use it, train it but never hurt it. You will need it for the rest of your life!!
My conclusion is this and maybe it's helps as advice to younger people. KEEP YOUR EGO IN CHECK! It is NOT your friend. You are never good enough and the grass is always greener on the other side. It's a trap.
Do what you gotta do WITHOUT crossing that line. Everything in life has a price. All you have to do is FIRST consider what that price may be and IS IT WORTH IT?
I wish you all the best!
Ronnie himself acknowledges that he's made some big mistakes and kind of brought this on himself. It's not all on him because he did have a lower back surgery which apparently was a bit botched but he knows he shouldn't have been in the gym doing leg presses just days after back/hip surgery like he did. A lot of the damage he did was AFTER he had already retired so we can't say he did it because he was trying to be the best, at that point his obsession with working out and lifting heavy weights was just pathological, any sane person would have simply stayed away from the gym until fully healed.
Ronnie is an example of someone whose entire identity becomes intertwined with being big and strong and I don't think he knew how or wanted to be anything else even after retiring, which is when this lifestyle becomes very unhealthy physically and mentally.
Very well said
You are so right i turned 49 this year so after years of strongman I decided to do the right thing and focuses more on health and fitness and yet I still find myself pushing big weights, it really is a mental thing and I have to force myself to go lighter.
Ronnie must be too proud or headstrong to go for psychological counseling?
2 broken backs before bodybuilding, kind of a ridiculous decision to become a bodybuilder in the first place
@@brandonpalmer1421 and what have you achieved in your life? For him to be the best it was worth it. Something you would understand if you ever completed.
What's crazy is a lot of body builders are huge not strong, Ronnie was stronger then he looked, something like a 2800 lb triple,
Dr. Mike is a great guy. Rolled with him (BJJ) a few times in Philly and he's such a kind, gracious, and informative person to train with and learn from. He's also terrifyingly strong. Been following his channel for awhile and probably why the algorithm suggested yours to me. Just subscribed to you as you can tell you have good character, and I love the way you lay out your points. Can't wait to check out more of your content, Dr. Raynor.
your view on chiropractic practice (among other things) has also earned you my sub, and I bet I'm not alone in this.
Man, it's sad. I hope that Ronnie is able to at least take it easier on his body and start to feel better over time. This was my first time watching a video from this channel, and Dr. Raynor, amazing job! This isn't even a topic I follow, but it was entertaining and very informative!
I had a similar experience when I hurt my back. I lost my balance and instead of dropping the weight I muscled through and tried to regain control. I heard that "POP". I was in Afghanistan at the time and when I went to see a Airforce DR after I couldn't move without being in excruciating pain the next day. He told me I had pulled my hamstring and would not even consider that I had herniated my back. Told me to come back in 3 days if pain didn't subsided, it didn't. Well, he had gone back state side and didn't want to do any paperwork on his last 2 days of deployment. I had herniated S2, L5 and L6. Military being the Military i spent about 4 years fighting it until I finally got surgery in 2016. I made sure to take care for that not to happen if I could avoid it.
Ty 4 ur service...I broke my neck doing bjj and 10 years later got hit by a car...they then fixed my neck
@@bryanfrombuffalo7685 thank you! I'm glad it got resolved.
How are you feeling now??
@@d3vilscry666 I was good until I was rear ended back in May by a chick on her phone. She was going around 60 and I was stopped waiting for traffic to clear. Now pretty much every vertebrae has some sort of herniated. With under a cm to over 2. Which doesn't sound like a lot. But it's enough to cause pain that Ibuprofen will barely touch. Lol.
@@thetacticalpuertorican Good. Enjoy the pain and think of all the pain you caused in Afghanistan whenever your poor little back hurts. 🙏😭
I've got mad respect for Ronny. Man's DESTROYED his body to be the strongest. He succeeded. It just cost him the body that facilitated it. Here's hoping Ronny is with us for a long time more, and that the crazy badtard actually tries to swing a 400lb greatsword like it was once suggested he could do.
He was in the wrong field if wanted to be known as the strongest 🤦🏽♂️
Body builders are in increasing mass, while lifters are prioritizing raw power, one look like greek sculptures others are often just big
@@tedlessor3887 he wanted to be the strongest within his craft, and he was. The biggest and the strongest bodybuilder.
@@Smash88818 yeah he took it to the maximum. Ronnie was the biggest and strongest bodybuilder ever. A once in a lifetime kind of physique at his peak. A true god. Now, shown to be just a mortal. But he is forever immortalised as the greatest ever.
I just pictured a person with down syndrome in a subway station wearing sequined leather and moonwalking.
That's the second funniest typo I've ever seen.
Chiropractic Medicine, while Legitimate for correcting misalignment, is indeed not a substitute for acute structural damage. Mr. Coleman did this to himself with his bull-headed persistence in the face of pain and injury. Your explanations were extremely thorough and understandable. Your vocabulary and descriptive ability are superb. Great use of visuals and superior editing. This was a Top notch presentation.
Yeah I've had tonnes of people suggest chiro for my Spondylytic Spondylolisthesis, bilateral pars defect and foraminal narrowing. Wasted so much money listening to people that don't understand :(
Tue. Chiropractic helps with alleviation of pain. The injurious behavior needs to stop or else the root of the pain will persist & lead to permanent injury.
It's complete quackery. Regardless, works well to alleviate back pain for a couple days. It's just an alternative to a massage- not actual medical intervention.
@@tomdewitt248 It's for correcting misalignment, not healing ruptured discs. Correcting dislocations and misalignment is not quackery, ask any Athlete.