This, for me, is by far the most exciting filmmaking tool to come out in a long time. It's a compact C300 Mark III with an internal data rate that outperforms the S1H. 1.46x Super 35 DGO Sensor, Cinema 4K, CLog 3, Internal ND. Only needs two SD cards, mini-XLR to XLR cable, two extra batteries! No need for a cage. As someone who's used quite a few of the Canon Cinema lineup to date, this is a tremendous feat! Bravo to Canon!
@@williamsitton True, but neither does pretty much anything else other than the Red Komodo. Sony's A7S3 has a very fast readout, that is the best I've seen yet while not being truly global shutter.
@@roteskaeppchen That's a fair point. In my experience with Canon Cinema Cameras, I've used the LCD monitors far more than the EVFs, and I have found them to be very usable despite their small sizes! So the lack of an EVF is not a dealbreaker for everyone. But perhaps they could have added a slot to add an EVF (like on the C500 Mark II/C300 Mark III--that would have been nice!)
This is quite good !! I always loved my C200 but never shot Raw. I will still use my BMPCC6K for short films, travel and higher end projects but this for Docos and interview style content is pretty sweet.
@@JoshBenBernales Mainly the image ( I love Canon colours but when it comes to pure image I find the BMPCC6K above) and codec flavours. Having the option to both Prores and Raw internally is quite handy.
That's a fair assessment that would be great to dig further into, but ultimately I don't think any quality difference will overshadow the real-world functionality for those doing video work for a living. And that includes 8K.
The R5 is a totally different type of camera. Anyone that buys an R5 for video alone is making a mistake. You can buy 2 Pocket 6K cameras for that price. I got the R5 for both video and photos. For that, in my honest opinion, it's the best camera out there.
I am off work today and have listened to many reviews on this subject. CVP review is simply the best of all, wins over Canon US and Canon Australia, Wex, ProAV TV among others. A comprehensive review. Well done, in-depth study indeed and well informative. Thumbs up!
These are two very different cameras peoples! The R5 is still very much a photography camera with some video capabilities and the C70 is a dedicated cinema camera for video! Not sure how people are comparing the two or bashing R5 users like if they made a bad choice. Not everything revolves around video camera
Incredible review as usual Jake. Looking forward to getting one of these cameras. Looks to fill the smaller, affordable B cam slot next to my c500 mark ii. Thanks for sharing!
Am pleasantly pleased and surprised (as the C100/C200 never had this) that the new Canon C70 has Timecode I/O. Although I bet most C70 buyers would wish that BNC connector was for HD-SDI instead of TC!
@@cncmedia1461 it is intended to be a B / C Cam to the C300/C500/C700, and not a premium A Cam in its own right. Thus it is very logical to have a TC connector for easy multicam syncing.
Thanks for the comprehensive review as always, Jake! With no built-in EVF, do you have any recommendations for quality options that could complement this compact design? I'm also assuming the only option will be via HDMI, right?
Best budget option would be the Z CAM EVF which I looked at a week or two back! Or the Kameldon if you've got the extra cash. Thanks for watching Joe! Jake
@@CVPTV Cheers! I actually watched that video when you posted it with no real reason why, ha! I'll give it a re-watch now that I have something in mind to pair it to.
I’ve always loved the usability, form factor&layout of the C100, the side handle, joystick/record/iris/white balance/ISO/magnify all accessible via your thumb/index finger; the C70 seems to improve on everything, especially 422 10bit, false color & dynamic range. Missing is Raw, but Canon will save that for a more expensive camera, not even via HDMI/USBC with ProResRaw, but can’t have everything, maybe the Sony FX6 will offer everything? The C70 appears to be a perfect event camera & livestreaming camera, and great documentary camera and a decent indie film (no Raw) camera. Great for music videos too!
well it’s not locked to 30mins record time, has built in ND filters, many more ports for mics and phantom, better battery and its a cinema camera etc etc...yes Sony is a few thousand cheaper but not a cine camera...solo shooter, doco, jobs etc wouldn’t even bother with Sony. We have a load of Sony a7sii bodies and not worth the upgrade to the new version for almost double the pride. Main feature was only 120fps @ 4K. Not worth the upgrade from the old
Mark Clark: the a7S iii is a massive upgrade from the a7S ii. It has no record limits, no overheating, 422 10 bit with higher bit rates as seen in Sony’s cinema line up, phenomenal autofocus compared to the a7S ii’s unusable contrast based autofocus, and cinema camera grade dynamic range - aprox half a stop less than the C300 iii according to CineD.
I can't believe I just watched that straight through.... I never do that with anything without going on my phone or something. This was fantastic. Subscribed for sure.
This type of practice is why I wont buy Canon for video ever again. They constantly release products with major quirks and missing features only to release the features for the next gen. This way your camera is anyways obsolete or inferior in some way and you jump at the opportunity to upgrade your camera to relieve yourself of the headache. Your camera either overheats, can't shoot raw, cant shoot good 120fps video, major cropping, cant use ssd storage, or whatever. Can't have it all for a reasonable price like the bmpcc.
@@Imam_Gueri_Sport Maybe not primarily, but mainly as a hybrid. I'm really fine with 5DIV's 36Mpix or R's as well for photography - both very capable cameras.
@@CVPTV While I have frustrations with it, I disagree; they were going for something that can be used out-of-the-box, compact, and without having to mount anything externally. I've used it a ton exactly like that. I personally prefer, most of the time, being able to mount a larger battery rather than have one completely enclosed internally - like the Z-Cam, Kinefinity, or even the Ursa line - but it's down to preference and use-case. And I actually prefer the far larger touchscreen to having an articulating one, and I understand the lack of the latter considering the price point; though I do appreciate Tilta's mod to modify a hinge into it.
Kez the current shape makes it so ugly for rigging and the wideness makes it challenging to put on gimbals. Also just ugly tbh 😅 in my opinion a boxy z-cam shape is what they should do next, now that they have the attention of dslr camera ops.
Still watching the video, I just wanted to say I really appreciate all of the hard work you put into this video, Jake! Best video on this camera out right now! Now back to the video!
CVP very detailed, can I just double check that in your video you stated that the camera can not be mounted to a standard tripod? If so, that is very strange.
@@smallbizdigitalmedia internal ND filters, DGO sensor, 16 stops of dynamic, dedicated controls. also, the image looks better as all cinema cameras usually look better than the mirrorless options due to the nuances you can't find on a spec sheet. ive had the a7s, a7sii, and the a7iii. so i was really hype with a7siii. but even the BMPCC6k has a better image in prores than the a7siii does in raw. Which just goes to my point, you will find image qualities that are comparably better you won't find in specs
I’m a 100% stills shooter, but I enjoy watching CVP videos because they do the most comprehensive videos with straight facts and no hyperbole. Why do I watch, I just like knowing how the industry landscape is shaping up.
Thanks for the review. This is by far the best and most comprehensive review of this camera! I was considering the r5/r6 but would rather have this. I just wish they came in at a $3500 price point. Still too expensive imo, but hopefully there'll be some good sales in 2021.
It’s been along time since a camera has got me this interested - great features and flexibility- the vertical video and the flexibility of shooting positions and ergonomic design Great for short form films and motion design . Now just need to get my hands on and have a play. Definitely considering buying . Thanks CVP for the in-depth review
Hey CVP. Could you pls compare the Sony A7S3 XAVC S 120 fps against the Canon 120 fps Long GOP?? Is there a difference? Artifacts? Anything? Can you change speed in both? Or is the slow motion baked in the file? And so on.. Thank you for a great video BTW 🤟🦄🤩
Excellent review! Thank you so much for this. Ever since I heard about the C70 I knew it was going to be my next camera. I'm very thankful that you took the time to give us such a detailed and honest overview of its features and capabilities. If I wasn't sold on the C70 before, I certainly am now, haha! Thanks again for sharing.
@@DanielScottFilms Then any RF camera will count too. hassle to add/remove ND screen. This, u get internal ND, and can add speedbooster. looks v promising.
@@sickidjohnwu1210 Very true. 16 stops of DR, S35, 4k. $5,500 is very aggressively priced all other cinema cameras considered. I just hate the large DSLR looking form factor.
some things that would justify upgrading, would be ability to 4k livestream, and 6k. if its your first camera amazing. but still using the ls300 and it works well enough for most.
For those who may wonder, the size of a super 35mm digital image sensor is around 60% smaller than the size of full frame digital image sensor. The size of full frame digital sensor is the same of the classic 35mm film. The size of super 35mm digital image sensors isn't specific with each manufacturer but is very close to the size of APS-C digital image sensors. Super 35mm sensors and APS-C sensors have different image ratio though. With the smaller super 35mm digital image sensors the use of multiple internal optical ND filter is easier than with full frame cameras. The internal optical ND filters (not electronic ND filters) are vital for videographers and is one of the main privileges of really professional video cameras. Somehow the super 35 digital video cameras have similar depth of field and high ISO performance of APS-C video cameras. The image ratio is different. Surface area of digital image sensors. Micro 4/3 225 mm² Super 35(Sony) ≈313 mm² APS-C (Canon) 330 mm² Super 35(Canon) ≈340 mm² APS-C (common) 370 mm² APS-H (obsolete) 548 mm² Full frame 860 mm²
I don't know why people keep saying fullframe is the size of cinema cameras. For stills, yes. Frames moved sideways. But for motion pictures the film moved downwards making the frame size smaller aka Super35mm. Very few movies were shot in fullframe.
Gabriel Alves Full frame sensors permit shallower depth of depth with lenses of similar angle of view and aperture and better high ISO performance than super 35mm sensor. That is very important for some videographers. Also full frame lenses are much cheaper than similar Cine lenses designed for smaller sensors. In the other hand full frame lenses usually suffer from focus breathing and from the rolling shutter phenomenon. It is difficult for Cinema cameras to have internal ND filters with full frame sensor. In general there are many reasons why professionals prefer Digital Cinema cameras and Cine lenses with super 35mm sensors. The truth is that with the recent impressive Sony a7S III, and Canon R5 there is less need for Cinema cameras. With less money even amateurs like me can have professional video quality. We live in a transitional period. The difference between Cinema camera and mirrorless cameras isn't so clear.
C70 Almost perfect, but 2 things that bug me: no EVF (I need a diopter or reading glasses) and the IBIS is visibly worse than the Pana S1H.. that software system is better than nothing but inferior to a floating sensor thingy -- thanks for such a detailed review
So close. Love the built-in ND and loads of special purpose and custom buttons. Do we know the situation with HDMI output quality? For example, if we record to an Atomos with ProResRaw, is that going to be better quality than any internal option? Not thrilled with the codecs. The IB looks useless. Overall quality looks very good, but not amazing. RF mount is great. AF is great. The user interface looks promising. I think I'm going to keep my A7S3 order, but this makes it very tempting to cancel.
excellent review! i am totally interested in the C70. i do think it is @$1500 more expensive than it should be. typical canon pushing the price point. i am also slightly disappointed that there is no evf especially when filming outdoors. if the cost or the lack of evf is not an issue, the C70 could be the new standard bearer. BIG thumbs up.
I'll echo other comments and say that this was an excellent review. I've just started my own foray into shooting video. I don't see any use for this particular camera in the near future, but since I love photography so much I was still very interested in learning about it. It's an impressive camera to have so much in a body that looks so similar to a DSLR. Would love to have one though.
Fantastic review! Very much looking forward to this camera. By the way, another youtuber had stated in his try at this camera that its formats would freeze up his 2020 iMac. I am worried that if that is the case then my slightly older PC may struggle. Did you or anyone have any issues editing with the high resolution files provided by this camera?
Canon have jumped ahead of Sony, this is really nice - I think I have found my c200 B cam. And it does explain why Canon have been so relaxed about the R5/R6 overheating.
Lol you must be joking - this is Super 35mm ! ok in 2010 not 2020 when the world is going full frame. FX6 automatic variable ND , great selection of low and high cost lenses - AND FULL FRAME.
@@ourtvchannel They may have learned from Speedbooster - that should give the 'full frame' look enough to be convincing. I do think the FX6 looks great, hence why Canon have moved their form factor. I assume lenses are pretty interchangeable across both platforms now. Its is a great time to be buying cameras now, even if you cant actually film very much :-)
I would take a better performing S35 sensor over a lesser FF one all day. We don't know what sensor the FX6 has atm so cant compare. I would suggest you take a look at how many people in cinema and television still shoot on S35 cameras or in S35 modes on FF cameras. I am excited to see the FX6 though! Jake
@@ourtvchannel Super35 is completely fine. Honestly if people came out of the theater and said "OH MY GOD, WHY WOULD THIS BE SHOT ON S35?? THAT'S SO BAD", then the story has completely failed. I mean, your comment just basically discounted the entire history of cinema. You must be a rather authoritative figure in this industry.
Thanks for another fantastic review! Could you do a Canon LUT explanation video? 1D, 3D, Full, Linear? ugh... I'd love to know more about real life scenarios using the Canon Luts. Thanks!
What do you think of the latest from Canon? Do you have any more questions about it? Correction: You can record MP4 HEVC/H.265 420 10bit and 422 10bit.
@@samdaframes2980 Canon makes a pass through RF to EF adapter which will allow you to mount FF or S35 lenses. They also make a 0.71x focal reducer which will allow you to use FF lenses and achieve FF field of views. Jake
I have the GH5 for it's great image quality and dynamic range but it's missing the auto focus and 120 slow motion in 4k. This camera looks like it's my next camera! Excellent review guys I just subscribed and will tell others about you. Please keep making these in-depth videos that are much appreciated 🤟
Appreciate that you do controlled tests! Very useful. Interesting to see that it does better than the c200. There are some real colour-noise-compression issues however in the underexposed areas compared to the C300mk3. You can see it in some of the low-light promo footage, big green splotches.
@CVP Thanks for in-depth review. Is there a word on Mid level model RF-Mount Video centric camera? Or did Canon confirm enabling RAW Capabilities Externally? (I Don't think they can do that Internally with choice of both SD Card slots). I Moved to RF- Lenses recently and have a Pre Order on R5. Was on Fence to decide between Canon C70- Red Komodo (I Can not move to Sony a7s3- No more selling lens and loosing money). Is still feel couple of things missing... 1. DPAF Version2 which is available in R5. 2. RAW Options- Canon Cinema RAW Light (Internally with a CF-Express Card), or Externally with Atomos Ninja V (Sony is giving a 16 bit RAW Output that gets converted to 12 bit Prores Raw). 3. ALL-I Frame rates (It seems ALL-I is capped at 30fps currently). Comparing to Sony A7S3 ($3499), i get that the additional $2000 premium for C70 ($5499 price tag) makes sense for ND Filters/Color Science/Active Cooling/Handling-Menu/Audio inputs etc... However, Where are the RAW capabilities that Sony A7S3 (Or lower price tag BMPC 6K, Panasonic S1H) providing. I still consider this as an inferior product compared to competition. Its like we give you all the tools that you want but you can only record upto 4.2.2 10 Bit where All-I capped at 30P. I don't have any other choice but just to wait till Canon releases another RF- Mount Video centric camera that offers RAW capabilities. I hope Canon release a mid level model with below add-on features. 1. DPAF Latest Version. 2. One/Two SD Card slots with an Additional CF-Express card slot (For Internal Raw recording). 3. Do not limit ALL-I to 30P. 4. RAW Output to Atomos Ninja V.
Thanks for your detailed and helpful reviews, Jake. One thing I don't understand - the Data Rates. Recording limit of SD cars is near 300 Mb/s, but h264 Intra of C70 (18:54) is 410 Mb/s. Isn't that a mistake in review because b&h listed 260 Mb/s as a maximal.
so the r5 has internal raw, the c200 has internal raw. don't know why this doesn't. hopefully raw over hdmi (or a paid upgrade) is an option............the DGO sensor is great, but without Raw you can't really use it's full potential. (speed booster) full frame DGO RAW in a small form factor........so close to being perfect
If this had internal RAW it would be the same as the C300 MKIII. So that means the much more expensive media and larger body, which would increase cost. I think for the market its aimed at RAW isn't really needed and XF-AVC ALL-I is absolutely fine! Jake
@@CVPTV just seems strange. the c200 could do raw (not even 10 bit), the canon r5 cando raw and it's tiny (and if nothing else they could allow hdmi raw out, adds no size). seems more like an artificial limit not having raw. perhaps they can make a canon c90 with internal raw. I like the small form factor (especially for gimbals), but need raw for short film work. this could have been a great higher end competitor to the blackmagic pocket 6k, below the red komodo.........but above the blackmagic
Great review. I had the C100 MK2 and was considering the C200 (I do non sync video with the Leica SL2) but need to test whether the mini XLRs are as good quality for synced Audio as that on the C2oo. Thanks for the review.
Canon seems kind of mixed up. All of its prime cinema lenses are full frame, but it mostly has Super 35 cameras. Its newest lenses, the Sumire, are PL only, but it costs a lot extra for a PL mount, and they don't have an adapter for their newest camera, the C70, which is using an entirely new mount, the RF. In addition, all of its zoom lenses are Super 35, but if you install the .71x adapter on the C70, these lenses won't work right. How many years will it be for them to get all of this straightened out? They could start by offering the Sumires with an EF mount.
Awesomely detailed review! I'm a hybrid shooter using an EOS R with a set of native EF & RF lenses, and here is my dilemma: should I get an R5 or a C70 to complement my R? I'm currently pretty satisfied with the EOS R on the stills side (for sure, I wouldn't say no to better ergonomics, more resolution, enhanced AF and IBIS, but realistically I don't really need this for my shooting style), but I definitely need to upgrade the video side of things (overcome the 8bit codec, the cropped 4k, and the lack of 120p slow-motion with AF). So now that you've reviewed the C70, how does it compare to the R5 in terms of image quality, dynamic range, autofocus and stabilization? Which one would you recommend that I pick in addition to my R? Thanks in advance for your answer!
Do you need it to take stills or just for video? AF & Stabilisation is better on R5. However the C70 is a more stable pro video camera. If you need a hybird the R5 is great but does have it's limits. If you just need it for video, go C70. Thanks for wacthing! Jake
@@CVPTV Thanks for the answer. As I said, I’ll keep my R for stills, but I’m going back and forth between R5 and C70 as a video oriented complement to my R. Based on your feedback, I’m definitely leaning towards the C70. One last question though: how does the AF performs exactly in 120fps? I understand that there’s no more face tracking, but can you still tap on whatever subject/object and have the camera track it? Or is it simply limited to continuous AF within a central zone of the frame? On the other hand, the R5 has full AF face tracking up to 120fps, right? Would you consider the C70 AF in 120fps usable? Is it a deal breaker vs R5? Thanks in advance!
That IBIS w/ the RF lens looked pretty snappy (in a bad way), where it still looks like photo IS where the camera is trying to hold the image still. Was hoping the new IBIS+RF combo would provide smoother movement. Would be very curious to see this feature with an RF lens off and on on a gimbal shot instead of handheld......hoping the IBIS would shine more in that situation.
I'm not really interested this much in Videography, but have to say I am definitely looking forward to people getting this camera, and see what they can do with it! :D
It's a lot of camera for the money, but... I have an R5 on pre-order, and I was really hoping this C70 would have a strong IBIS option, so I could cancel the R5 order and move over to better codecs. Too bad they didn't include a good implementation of that. I should probably just keep my money in my pocket until they can put it all together in one body. :)
Looks like a great camera and to my eye a more pleasing image than the Sony FX-6. Also the touchscreen CAF scores over that camera. I think for corporate work the Sony will be perceived in the industry as the go-to standard, especially as this one doesn't quite look like a "pro" camera. I presume it does not output RAW, as it does not have an SDI port. The biggest downer for me is the small screen and no EVF, which make this a young person's camera! Thankfully it has excellent focus aids, but for framing I always do better with an EVF or minimum 5" screen.
Super informative video - well done! Do you have any ideas or recommendations for EVF for this camera? We do a ton of outdoor shooting (wildlife and nature) so slightly doubtful the LCD will be bright enough. We have a couple Atomos Ninja V's so perhaps that's the best option. Thank you!
This, for me, is by far the most exciting filmmaking tool to come out in a long time. It's a compact C300 Mark III with an internal data rate that outperforms the S1H. 1.46x Super 35 DGO Sensor, Cinema 4K, CLog 3, Internal ND. Only needs two SD cards, mini-XLR to XLR cable, two extra batteries! No need for a cage. As someone who's used quite a few of the Canon Cinema lineup to date, this is a tremendous feat! Bravo to Canon!
major downside to me is that it does not have global shutter
@@williamsitton That's a fair concern.
@@williamsitton True, but neither does pretty much anything else other than the Red Komodo. Sony's A7S3 has a very fast readout, that is the best I've seen yet while not being truly global shutter.
@@roteskaeppchen That's a fair point. In my experience with Canon Cinema Cameras, I've used the LCD monitors far more than the EVFs, and I have found them to be very usable despite their small sizes! So the lack of an EVF is not a dealbreaker for everyone. But perhaps they could have added a slot to add an EVF (like on the C500 Mark II/C300 Mark III--that would have been nice!)
It apparently needs a cage for tripods due to the weird mounting locations
Your presentation skills trump other channels. Not shouting and not self obsessed. Great video
Thank you and thanks for watching! Jake
"In-depth"? Oh yes. This is EXACTLY what I was looking for about the C70.
r5 owners looking at the one kidney they have left.... "do I need 1 full kidney really?"
lol... nailed me
As an italian Canon Specialist, I can tell you that this such a great in-depth review. Well done guys!
Thank you! Jake
This is quite good !! I always loved my C200 but never shot Raw. I will still use my BMPCC6K for short films, travel and higher end projects but this for Docos and interview style content is pretty sweet.
Yeah I'm impressed with what Canon have put together. It's just a baby C300MKIII which is great for its price! Jake
This is perfect for docus because of the ND and as the 24-105 is now a 2.8. So can use one lens for everything in a small and light package.
Curious as to where my you would still use the 6k for higher end projects?
Josh Ben Bernales I’m not him, but 12 bit and raw output. And maybe the 6k If they care about that.
@@JoshBenBernales Mainly the image ( I love Canon colours but when it comes to pure image I find the BMPCC6K above) and codec flavours. Having the option to both Prores and Raw internally is quite handy.
This camera is a freakin' beast. I feel bad for almost anyone who bought the R5 for video.
R5 has 8K.
The footage doesn’t look nearly as good as what the R5 kicks out to my eye.
That's a fair assessment that would be great to dig further into, but ultimately I don't think any quality difference will overshadow the real-world functionality for those doing video work for a living. And that includes 8K.
@@esphilee Not true 8k, S1H still craps on R5
The R5 is a totally different type of camera. Anyone that buys an R5 for video alone is making a mistake. You can buy 2 Pocket 6K cameras for that price. I got the R5 for both video and photos. For that, in my honest opinion, it's the best camera out there.
I’m really interested to learn more about lens engineering after this 😁
It's a massive rabbit hole to go down but super interesting stuff! Jake
Fabulous review!
Thank you!! Jake
@@CVPTV What is a focus measurement hook?
Just got this camera today with two RF lens. I’m so happy to be shooting my weddings for 2021 with this.
I am off work today and have listened to many reviews on this subject. CVP review is simply the best of all, wins over Canon US and Canon Australia, Wex, ProAV TV among others. A comprehensive review. Well done, in-depth study indeed and well informative. Thumbs up!
Thank you for the kind words and thanks for watching! Jake
now we know why r6/r5 overheat..they have a C70 to sell.....
FACTS!!!!
They forgot to tell us those 2 were just photo cameras :-)
You can use R5 without overheat while long take with external recorder because long take will made CF Express very hot
@@s1thbkk that deafeat the purpose to have a compact hybride camera.
The r5 dynamic range is also much worse. It's not ideal for professional video use.
These are two very different cameras peoples! The R5 is still very much a photography camera with some video capabilities and the C70 is a dedicated cinema camera for video! Not sure how people are comparing the two or bashing R5 users like if they made a bad choice. Not everything revolves around video camera
These people are upset that cannon purposely crippled the R5, not that the R5 just happens to be a bad camera.
This is by far the best overview of this camera that's out there right now.
Thanks for watching! Jake
more like the only lol
Incredible review as usual Jake. Looking forward to getting one of these cameras. Looks to fill the smaller, affordable B cam slot next to my c500 mark ii. Thanks for sharing!
Thanks Griffin! Are you going to be picking one up then? Jake
CVP pre ordered one this morning! Hopefully I’ll be able to run some tests against all the other cams we have in the production
Am pleasantly pleased and surprised (as the C100/C200 never had this) that the new Canon C70 has Timecode I/O.
Although I bet most C70 buyers would wish that BNC connector was for HD-SDI instead of TC!
Absolutely...why put a bnc connector and its not hdsdi? Honestly canon????
@@cncmedia1461 it is intended to be a B / C Cam to the C300/C500/C700, and not a premium A Cam in its own right. Thus it is very logical to have a TC connector for easy multicam syncing.
Specs are awesome. Now I am 99.99% certain that Canon crippled R6 and R5 on purpose to protect these line of cinema cameras. Not even CLog2 & 3 on R6.
Thanks for the comprehensive review as always, Jake! With no built-in EVF, do you have any recommendations for quality options that could complement this compact design? I'm also assuming the only option will be via HDMI, right?
Best budget option would be the Z CAM EVF which I looked at a week or two back! Or the Kameldon if you've got the extra cash. Thanks for watching Joe! Jake
@@CVPTV Cheers! I actually watched that video when you posted it with no real reason why, ha! I'll give it a re-watch now that I have something in mind to pair it to.
CVP kameleon* (HDMI)
instaBlaster.
I’ve always loved the usability, form factor&layout of the C100, the side handle, joystick/record/iris/white balance/ISO/magnify all accessible via your thumb/index finger; the C70 seems to improve on everything, especially 422 10bit, false color & dynamic range. Missing is Raw, but Canon will save that for a more expensive camera, not even via HDMI/USBC with ProResRaw, but can’t have everything, maybe the Sony FX6 will offer everything?
The C70 appears to be a perfect event camera & livestreaming camera, and great documentary camera and a decent indie film (no Raw) camera. Great for music videos too!
Buying new cameras and lenses every year is the equivalent of "gambling debt" for me I need some one to intervene and stop me spending.
You have G.A.S. Gear Acquisition Syndrome.
me too omg
Please, make a comparison video for C70 and A7S III
well it’s not locked to 30mins record time, has built in ND filters, many more ports for mics and phantom, better battery and its a cinema camera etc etc...yes Sony is a few thousand cheaper but not a cine camera...solo shooter, doco, jobs etc wouldn’t even bother with Sony. We have a load of Sony a7sii bodies and not worth the upgrade to the new version for almost double the pride. Main feature was only 120fps @ 4K. Not worth the upgrade from the old
@@halfbinz Thank you, Mark! Does C-70 create huge video files like 5d Mark IV in 4k?
Mark Clark: the a7S iii is a massive upgrade from the a7S ii. It has no record limits, no overheating, 422 10 bit with higher bit rates as seen in Sony’s cinema line up, phenomenal autofocus compared to the a7S ii’s unusable contrast based autofocus, and cinema camera grade dynamic range - aprox half a stop less than the C300 iii according to CineD.
No comparison with them
@@NoorAlam-cs9yi English, please
18:52 face closeup between C300 III & C70 show way better highlight rolloff in skin/hair etc
I saw that too, but I think the C300 was a bit more overexposed than c70
Very detailed review. I can’t help but wonder how many times you turned your head.
Still the best, most thorough review, even though 2 years have passed since this one. All credit to your team and thanks.
Thanks for watching and the kind words Greg! Jake
Amazing review, very. detailed
Glad you liked it! Jake
@@CVPTV How do you turn DGO off in c70? I didn't even know that was a feature
Your reviews are simply the best. This camera looks great.
Glad you like them Josh! Thanks for watching. Jake
I can't believe I just watched that straight through.... I never do that with anything without going on my phone or something. This was fantastic. Subscribed for sure.
Awesome to hear we could keep your attention for over 40 minutes!!! Thanks for watching and glad you enjoyed it, Jake
This type of practice is why I wont buy Canon for video ever again. They constantly release products with major quirks and missing features only to release the features for the next gen. This way your camera is anyways obsolete or inferior in some way and you jump at the opportunity to upgrade your camera to relieve yourself of the headache. Your camera either overheats, can't shoot raw, cant shoot good 120fps video, major cropping, cant use ssd storage, or whatever. Can't have it all for a reasonable price like the bmpcc.
Could you test how much the new Canon Adapter 0.71 really effects the autofocus performance?
Is 60% plenty to work with?
It didn't seem super different from the limited time I had with it, but the coverage will make a difference. Jake
Would like to see autofocus comparison test of RF lenses vs EF lenses (with new adapter)
Lots of complaints are starting to come in about the autofocus now from new C70 users. It's not looking good.
Love how technical this is! Can't wait to pick up one of these
Based off your review, I preordered a.C70 - Great Job on the video!
This will be a great B cam for my 90D ... :)
😂
So, this is the reason the R5 overheats...
Yup. People that bought the R5 for video should have waited.
Zachary Hunter I would be upset... but I use photo just as much so it’s fine. I’ll save up until I can get the one ☺️
@@zacharyhunter8340 That's what I did. If tests will go well on production version of this - it will be my next purchase (instead of R5)
Zachary Hunter I don't think people bought the r5 for the video.
@@Imam_Gueri_Sport Maybe not primarily, but mainly as a hybrid. I'm really fine with 5DIV's 36Mpix or R's as well for photography - both very capable cameras.
I feel like this is body style Black magic design should of used, for the pocket 4k.
@@CVPTV While I have frustrations with it, I disagree; they were going for something that can be used out-of-the-box, compact, and without having to mount anything externally. I've used it a ton exactly like that.
I personally prefer, most of the time, being able to mount a larger battery rather than have one completely enclosed internally - like the Z-Cam, Kinefinity, or even the Ursa line - but it's down to preference and use-case.
And I actually prefer the far larger touchscreen to having an articulating one, and I understand the lack of the latter considering the price point; though I do appreciate Tilta's mod to modify a hinge into it.
Kez the current shape makes it so ugly for rigging and the wideness makes it challenging to put on gimbals. Also just ugly tbh 😅 in my opinion a boxy z-cam shape is what they should do next, now that they have the attention of dslr camera ops.
@@CVPTV Yes, yes it would.
@@AdamFunk Yeah but for the battery life whoch is the biggest con of the bmpcc4k. This body style is much better.
Still watching the video, I just wanted to say I really appreciate all of the hard work you put into this video, Jake! Best video on this camera out right now!
Now back to the video!
Thank you for the kind words and watching! Jake
CVP very detailed, can I just double check that in your video you stated that the camera can not be mounted to a standard tripod? If so, that is very strange.
This video made me return the a7siii and preorder the c70. Wish I would have saw it sooner though. I have to wait till DECEMBER 😢
What specifically made you switch?
@@smallbizdigitalmedia internal ND filters, DGO sensor, 16 stops of dynamic, dedicated controls. also, the image looks better as all cinema cameras usually look better than the mirrorless options due to the nuances you can't find on a spec sheet. ive had the a7s, a7sii, and the a7iii. so i was really hype with a7siii. but even the BMPCC6k has a better image in prores than the a7siii does in raw. Which just goes to my point, you will find image qualities that are comparably better you won't find in specs
I’m a 100% stills shooter, but I enjoy watching CVP videos because they do the most comprehensive videos with straight facts and no hyperbole. Why do I watch, I just like knowing how the industry landscape is shaping up.
Thanks for watching! Jake
Thanks for the review. This is by far the best and most comprehensive review of this camera! I was considering the r5/r6 but would rather have this. I just wish they came in at a $3500 price point. Still too expensive imo, but hopefully there'll be some good sales in 2021.
I want to see a fight between Jake and Carl from ProAv.
This genuinely made me laugh out loud haha, maybe the next big RUclipsr boxing match? 😂
@@CVPTV Glasses off, no holds barred. It would be a spectacle.
Get them together in the same room and we will pay for the drinks...you can throw Kai in for the fun of it whilst at it
My money is on Jake, sorry Carl.
It’s been along time since a camera has got me this interested - great features and flexibility- the vertical video and the flexibility of shooting positions and ergonomic design Great for short form films and motion design . Now just need to get my hands on and have a play. Definitely considering buying . Thanks CVP for the in-depth review
this is the best camera review i have ever seen.
Unbeatable professionalism.
This will be a great compliment to our c300 mark III. Pre-ordered. Hopefully next year, we can finally replace our 1dx mark II's with an "R1"
Yeah it's perfect as a B cam to C300MKIII! I'm intrigued to see if Canon do a 1D spec'd cam in the R range, we shall see! Jake
Hey CVP.
Could you pls compare the Sony A7S3 XAVC S 120 fps against the Canon 120 fps Long GOP??
Is there a difference? Artifacts? Anything? Can you change speed in both?
Or is the slow motion baked in the file? And so on..
Thank you for a great video BTW 🤟🦄🤩
Returning my R5 and just preordered
Do you mainly do video work?
good move, if you do video....
CVP yup, run a production house and love the size of the c70. Was hoping to use R5 for B or C cam to the C500 or Amira. C70 is perfect for our needs.
Excellent review! Thank you so much for this. Ever since I heard about the C70 I knew it was going to be my next camera. I'm very thankful that you took the time to give us such a detailed and honest overview of its features and capabilities. If I wasn't sold on the C70 before, I certainly am now, haha! Thanks again for sharing.
Fantastic review! Much more informative than most other videos released today. Thank you!
Glad it was helpful!
Wow, a complete walk through of the camera.Really helpful, thanks for that.
Glad it was helpful! Jake
Super informative presentation and so pro. Well done. Camera is a very interesting offering form canon !
Great review/neck workout tutorial :)
Can't wait for you to test it 💪📸
So this is the smallest interchangeable lens camera with built in ND
Kinda not built-in, but still : Aputure DEC Vari-ND : www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1331310-REG/aputure_apdecvarindmft_dec_varind_for_canon.html
Let's add Z-Cam with eND to the mix
@@michalesniewski4259 That thing starts from ND8... useless & cumbersome
@@DanielScottFilms Then any RF camera will count too. hassle to add/remove ND screen. This, u get internal ND, and can add speedbooster. looks v promising.
@@sickidjohnwu1210 Very true. 16 stops of DR, S35, 4k. $5,500 is very aggressively priced all other cinema cameras considered. I just hate the large DSLR looking form factor.
What a beast of a camera! Wow!
Guys you are incredible! Thank you!
Always the best reviews! Thanks!
some things that would justify upgrading, would be ability to 4k livestream, and 6k. if its your first camera amazing. but still using the ls300 and it works well enough for most.
For those who may wonder, the size of a super 35mm digital image sensor is around 60% smaller than the size of full frame digital image sensor. The size of full frame digital sensor is the same of the classic 35mm film.
The size of super 35mm digital image sensors isn't specific with each manufacturer but is very close to the size of APS-C digital image sensors. Super 35mm sensors and APS-C sensors have different image ratio though.
With the smaller super 35mm digital image sensors the use of multiple internal optical ND filter is easier than with full frame cameras. The internal optical ND filters (not electronic ND filters) are vital for videographers and is one of the main privileges of really professional video cameras.
Somehow the super 35 digital video cameras have similar depth of field and high ISO performance of APS-C video cameras. The image ratio is different.
Surface area of digital image sensors.
Micro 4/3 225 mm²
Super 35(Sony) ≈313 mm²
APS-C (Canon) 330 mm²
Super 35(Canon) ≈340 mm²
APS-C (common) 370 mm²
APS-H (obsolete) 548 mm²
Full frame 860 mm²
I don't know why people keep saying fullframe is the size of cinema cameras. For stills, yes. Frames moved sideways. But for motion pictures the film moved downwards making the frame size smaller aka Super35mm.
Very few movies were shot in fullframe.
Gabriel Alves Full frame sensors permit shallower depth of depth with lenses of similar angle of view and aperture and better high ISO performance than super 35mm sensor. That is very important for some videographers. Also full frame lenses are much cheaper than similar Cine lenses designed for smaller sensors.
In the other hand full frame lenses usually suffer from focus breathing and from the rolling shutter phenomenon.
It is difficult for Cinema cameras to have internal ND filters with full frame sensor.
In general there are many reasons why professionals prefer Digital Cinema cameras and Cine lenses with super 35mm sensors.
The truth is that with the recent impressive Sony a7S III, and Canon R5 there is less need for Cinema cameras.
With less money even amateurs like me can have professional video quality.
We live in a transitional period. The difference between Cinema camera and mirrorless cameras isn't so clear.
@@AgnostosGnostos Dude, I don't know how to say this politely but there's a lot of misinformation in your comments
By far one of the most in depth reviews that I have ever watched on youtube. it looks like I will be saying goodbye to my GH5 (:
Thanks for watching and that will be a hell of an upgrade! Jake
i came to this video to see if it had rolling shutter issues...stayed for the whole video....and ordered one!
C70 Almost perfect, but 2 things that bug me: no EVF (I need a diopter or reading glasses) and the IBIS is visibly worse than the Pana S1H.. that software system is better than nothing but inferior to a floating sensor thingy -- thanks for such a detailed review
So close. Love the built-in ND and loads of special purpose and custom buttons. Do we know the situation with HDMI output quality? For example, if we record to an Atomos with ProResRaw, is that going to be better quality than any internal option? Not thrilled with the codecs.
The IB looks useless. Overall quality looks very good, but not amazing. RF mount is great. AF is great. The user interface looks promising.
I think I'm going to keep my A7S3 order, but this makes it very tempting to cancel.
excellent review! i am totally interested in the C70. i do think it is @$1500 more expensive than it should be. typical canon pushing the price point. i am also slightly disappointed that there is no evf especially when filming outdoors. if the cost or the lack of evf is not an issue, the C70 could be the new standard bearer. BIG thumbs up.
Excited about this one. I guess mY C100 mark ii will have this upgrade it, I was KIND of hoping for a mark iii 100, but this will do.
I'll echo other comments and say that this was an excellent review. I've just started my own foray into shooting video. I don't see any use for this particular camera in the near future, but since I love photography so much I was still very interested in learning about it.
It's an impressive camera to have so much in a body that looks so similar to a DSLR. Would love to have one though.
I half way through watching and I give you the thumbs up great review I feel well informed
Awesome! Thank you! Jake
Fantastic review! Very much looking forward to this camera. By the way, another youtuber had stated in his try at this camera that its formats would freeze up his 2020 iMac. I am worried that if that is the case then my slightly older PC may struggle. Did you or anyone have any issues editing with the high resolution files provided by this camera?
Canon have jumped ahead of Sony, this is really nice - I think I have found my c200 B cam. And it does explain why Canon have been so relaxed about the R5/R6 overheating.
With the FX6 coming up soon hopefully I am intrigued to see where that sits along side this. Jake
Lol you must be joking - this is Super 35mm ! ok in 2010 not 2020 when the world is going full frame. FX6 automatic variable ND , great selection of low and high cost lenses - AND FULL FRAME.
@@ourtvchannel They may have learned from Speedbooster - that should give the 'full frame' look enough to be convincing. I do think the FX6 looks great, hence why Canon have moved their form factor. I assume lenses are pretty interchangeable across both platforms now. Its is a great time to be buying cameras now, even if you cant actually film very much :-)
I would take a better performing S35 sensor over a lesser FF one all day. We don't know what sensor the FX6 has atm so cant compare. I would suggest you take a look at how many people in cinema and television still shoot on S35 cameras or in S35 modes on FF cameras. I am excited to see the FX6 though! Jake
@@ourtvchannel Super35 is completely fine. Honestly if people came out of the theater and said "OH MY GOD, WHY WOULD THIS BE SHOT ON S35?? THAT'S SO BAD", then the story has completely failed. I mean, your comment just basically discounted the entire history of cinema. You must be a rather authoritative figure in this industry.
Love your videos. Very well informative and full of detail. I always learn a lot.
Glad you like them! Jake
Thanks for another fantastic review! Could you do a Canon LUT explanation video? 1D, 3D, Full, Linear? ugh... I'd love to know more about real life scenarios using the Canon Luts. Thanks!
incredible job! Well done guys! It's great to have quality content.
Glad you enjoy it! Thanks for watching. Jake
That would be my favourite cinema camera absolutely loved it
Very thorough long form video. I appreciate the length of the video. Thanks.
Thanks for watching! Jake
Excellent review. If you could pair only 1 lens (most situations) with the C70, which would it be?
Thanks! Probably some kind of general purpose zoom like the 24-70 2.8 RF. Jake
Best C 70 reviews so far. Thank you.
What do you think of the latest from Canon? Do you have any more questions about it? Correction: You can record MP4 HEVC/H.265 420 10bit and 422 10bit.
I honestly hope that the adapter is a sign of APS-C or RF-S bodies to come. Hopefully it won't be a cinema camera only accessory.
@@professionalpotato4764 Yeah hopefully they make it work with other RF S35/APS-C cameras! Jake
So there is an adapter for the full frame ef lenses, but can you also mount super 35 ef lenses?
@@samdaframes2980 Canon makes a pass through RF to EF adapter which will allow you to mount FF or S35 lenses. They also make a 0.71x focal reducer which will allow you to use FF lenses and achieve FF field of views. Jake
What power connector does it use?
What a banger of a review - well done! Very tempting camera..!
Glad you enjoyed it! Jake
I have the GH5 for it's great image quality and dynamic range but it's missing the auto focus and 120 slow motion in 4k. This camera looks like it's my next camera! Excellent review guys I just subscribed and will tell others about you. Please keep making these in-depth videos that are much appreciated 🤟
Thanks for watching and sharing! Gl hf with the new camera! Jake
Appreciate that you do controlled tests! Very useful. Interesting to see that it does better than the c200. There are some real colour-noise-compression issues however in the underexposed areas compared to the C300mk3. You can see it in some of the low-light promo footage, big green splotches.
@CVP Thanks for in-depth review.
Is there a word on Mid level model RF-Mount Video centric camera?
Or did Canon confirm enabling RAW Capabilities Externally? (I Don't think they can do that Internally with choice of both SD Card slots).
I Moved to RF- Lenses recently and have a Pre Order on R5. Was on Fence to decide between Canon C70- Red Komodo (I Can not move to Sony a7s3- No more selling lens and loosing money).
Is still feel couple of things missing...
1. DPAF Version2 which is available in R5.
2. RAW Options- Canon Cinema RAW Light (Internally with a CF-Express Card), or Externally with Atomos Ninja V (Sony is giving a 16 bit RAW Output that gets converted to 12 bit Prores Raw).
3. ALL-I Frame rates (It seems ALL-I is capped at 30fps currently).
Comparing to Sony A7S3 ($3499), i get that the additional $2000 premium for C70 ($5499 price tag) makes sense for ND Filters/Color Science/Active Cooling/Handling-Menu/Audio inputs etc... However, Where are the RAW capabilities that Sony A7S3 (Or lower price tag BMPC 6K, Panasonic S1H) providing.
I still consider this as an inferior product compared to competition. Its like we give you all the tools that you want but you can only record upto 4.2.2 10 Bit where All-I capped at 30P.
I don't have any other choice but just to wait till Canon releases another RF- Mount Video centric camera that offers RAW capabilities.
I hope Canon release a mid level model with below add-on features.
1. DPAF Latest Version.
2. One/Two SD Card slots with an Additional CF-Express card slot (For Internal Raw recording).
3. Do not limit ALL-I to 30P.
4. RAW Output to Atomos Ninja V.
Great detailed and informative review I literally just found out about this camera & I'm glad I didn't purchase an R5 I want this
Thanks for your detailed and helpful reviews, Jake. One thing I don't understand - the Data Rates. Recording limit of SD cars is near 300 Mb/s, but h264 Intra of C70 (18:54) is 410 Mb/s. Isn't that a mistake in review because b&h listed 260 Mb/s as a maximal.
SD card data rates are MBps, Codec rates are Mbps and mistakes our side, that will be a B&H thing. Jake
so the r5 has internal raw, the c200 has internal raw. don't know why this doesn't. hopefully raw over hdmi (or a paid upgrade) is an option............the DGO sensor is great, but without Raw you can't really use it's full potential. (speed booster) full frame DGO RAW in a small form factor........so close to being perfect
If this had internal RAW it would be the same as the C300 MKIII. So that means the much more expensive media and larger body, which would increase cost. I think for the market its aimed at RAW isn't really needed and XF-AVC ALL-I is absolutely fine! Jake
@@CVPTV just seems strange. the c200 could do raw (not even 10 bit), the canon r5 cando raw and it's tiny (and if nothing else they could allow hdmi raw out, adds no size). seems more like an artificial limit not having raw. perhaps they can make a canon c90 with internal raw. I like the small form factor (especially for gimbals), but need raw for short film work. this could have been a great higher end competitor to the blackmagic pocket 6k, below the red komodo.........but above the blackmagic
Such a great review. Thanks. Can't wait for this camera.
Great review. I had the C100 MK2 and was considering the C200 (I do non sync video with the Leica SL2) but need to test whether the mini XLRs are as good quality for synced Audio as that on the C2oo. Thanks for the review.
Looks and sound fantastic for this price, but no SDI out is a real bummer... :-( Great review, may thanks!
Thank you, for this fantastic super in depth review of this camera. 🙏🏽
Thanks for watching Justin! Jake
Canon seems kind of mixed up.
All of its prime cinema lenses are full frame, but it mostly has Super 35 cameras. Its newest lenses, the Sumire, are PL only, but it costs a lot extra for a PL mount, and they don't have an adapter for their newest camera, the C70, which is using an entirely new mount, the RF. In addition, all of its zoom lenses are Super 35, but if you install the .71x adapter on the C70, these lenses won't work right. How many years will it be for them to get all of this straightened out? They could start by offering the Sumires with an EF mount.
Awesomely detailed review! I'm a hybrid shooter using an EOS R with a set of native EF & RF lenses, and here is my dilemma: should I get an R5 or a C70 to complement my R? I'm currently pretty satisfied with the EOS R on the stills side (for sure, I wouldn't say no to better ergonomics, more resolution, enhanced AF and IBIS, but realistically I don't really need this for my shooting style), but I definitely need to upgrade the video side of things (overcome the 8bit codec, the cropped 4k, and the lack of 120p slow-motion with AF). So now that you've reviewed the C70, how does it compare to the R5 in terms of image quality, dynamic range, autofocus and stabilization? Which one would you recommend that I pick in addition to my R? Thanks in advance for your answer!
Do you need it to take stills or just for video? AF & Stabilisation is better on R5. However the C70 is a more stable pro video camera. If you need a hybird the R5 is great but does have it's limits. If you just need it for video, go C70. Thanks for wacthing! Jake
@@CVPTV Thanks for the answer. As I said, I’ll keep my R for stills, but I’m going back and forth between R5 and C70 as a video oriented complement to my R. Based on your feedback, I’m definitely leaning towards the C70. One last question though: how does the AF performs exactly in 120fps? I understand that there’s no more face tracking, but can you still tap on whatever subject/object and have the camera track it? Or is it simply limited to continuous AF within a central zone of the frame? On the other hand, the R5 has full AF face tracking up to 120fps, right? Would you consider the C70 AF in 120fps usable? Is it a deal breaker vs R5? Thanks in advance!
this video did it for me i gotta get one 110%
Enjoy the camera!!
Are they going to make a speed booster for RF to RF?! I sold all my EF lenses and have 6 RF. 😳
Best reveiw Ive seen. Great JOB!
Appreciate that, thanks for watching! Jake
Cvp keeps impress me with continues great and threw reviews. Why have I not subscribed yet? done !
That IBIS w/ the RF lens looked pretty snappy (in a bad way), where it still looks like photo IS where the camera is trying to hold the image still. Was hoping the new IBIS+RF combo would provide smoother movement. Would be very curious to see this feature with an RF lens off and on on a gimbal shot instead of handheld......hoping the IBIS would shine more in that situation.
I'm not really interested this much in Videography, but have to say I am definitely looking forward to people getting this camera, and see what they can do with it! :D
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Amazing review thanks for it
It's a lot of camera for the money, but... I have an R5 on pre-order, and I was really hoping this C70 would have a strong IBIS option, so I could cancel the R5 order and move over to better codecs. Too bad they didn't include a good implementation of that. I should probably just keep my money in my pocket until they can put it all together in one body. :)
Von Darnell most rf glass have ibis so it’ll work like the eos r
Great review so quickly, thanks!
Thanks for watching! Jake
Damn, that's some in-depth review! Great job! 👍
Thanks for watching! Jake
Looks like a great camera and to my eye a more pleasing image than the Sony FX-6. Also the touchscreen CAF scores over that camera. I think for corporate work the Sony will be perceived in the industry as the go-to standard, especially as this one doesn't quite look like a "pro" camera. I presume it does not output RAW, as it does not have an SDI port. The biggest downer for me is the small screen and no EVF, which make this a young person's camera! Thankfully it has excellent focus aids, but for framing I always do better with an EVF or minimum 5" screen.
Super informative video - well done! Do you have any ideas or recommendations for EVF for this camera? We do a ton of outdoor shooting (wildlife and nature) so slightly doubtful the LCD will be bright enough. We have a couple Atomos Ninja V's so perhaps that's the best option. Thank you!