the 3D remakes are probably brighter and more colorful because of the portable format, so they are easier to see. it's a common trick developers use for handled games. so it's probably more of a practical choice than an artistic one
Yep, they most likely did in on purpose for being portable. Dark areas are BAD on handhelds, especially when it's sunny. Just last week I've tried playing new Pokemon Snap outside. The day levels were fine, but the nightlevels absolutely unplayable, even tough I wasn't directly in the sun. Therefore I can totally understand that decison. It might be more atmospheric and a little bit nicer when the game is rather dark, but a Handheld Port that isn't playable outside kinda defeats the purpose.
The only real problems I have with Majora's Mask 3D is the Zora swimming and the fact that there are basically no magic bottles in great bay where you would need them the most because of the Zora swimming
Honestly, one of the only things they changed about the 3DS version that I actually liked was the inverted song of time speed. I think the nerf to how much it slows down the clock (intentional or not) really helped to actually preserve the tension of the 3 day cycle. Too bad they screwed it up by giving 2 of the bosses stupidly drawn out second phases.
There used to be speed runners who would try to beat all of Majora's Mask in a single 3 day cycle using the 1/3 speed inverted song of time. This kinda broke those challenge runs.
>Zora simming works like before That's it. That's all I genuinely wanted. Everything else is an extremely appreciated extra, but this, this is it chief
For the brighter colors thing, I think it's just a hit-or-miss depending on what the situation is, and I don't think it's inherently bad for the game. Stuff like the poison water in the Swamp Temple are pretty terrible, and the saturation should've been lower. However, the overall increased saturation or at least just in some areas can help play up the weird psychedelic horror-esque aspects of the game. This is kind of reflected through the art, like the mayor being overall incredibly drab except for the bright purple hair. The real problem I think they missed out on is the contrast with the shadows, like the Gyorg boss room. If the shadows in that room were more extreme, it would look more like the original version without being incredibly dull looking.
I don't get why people complain about the owl statues, That's like complaining that the special edition of empire strikes Back replaced that ugly CGI emperor with the actual emperor. Honestly I think having both saving methods is a good thing for newcomers
I love playing this on Citra so much now. I replaced the 3ds soundtrack with a fanmade remastered soundtrack and with the 4k texture pack. The over-brightening is really the only gripe I have with it now. Everything else about it far exceeds the original and vanilla 3DS version. I personally could care less about the owl statue save system from the original because sometimes things come up IRL and I need to quit the game.
Actually, I would argue that Majora's Mask's official artwork- especially that one early promotional image that they used a lot, even if the game itself wound up looking pretty different- is actually MORE colorful than OoT's standard... but at the same time, uses sharper contrasts and shading. It kind of pops with a sort of... almost unreality feel to it, sometimes. Apparently some early concept artwork for the game was even more batshit than the final ended up being, which, god. So yeah, bright colors are not offensive to me; but I DO prefer the darker LIGHTING, at least. Maybe the 3DS was not capable of as dynamic shading as it would need to be to properly emulate the actual art style of the game. Reusing assets is probably another issue. Things have probably changes since this video was made, so idk for sure about this mod and people's ability to change things in the game. I also never played the 3DS remake bc I never got to own a 3DS (I am ABSOLUTELY bitter about that, heh). From what I see the bossfights look more fun, gross cartoony eyeballs aside.
So as of the January 2nd patch, the sound setting of the original has been honoured and no longer forces surround mode, so the music sounds much cleaner than before
Hey everyone. I'm dumb and forgot to mention the N64 Redux mod, which adds masks on the Dpad, magic arrow toggling and lets Zora link use the ocarina underwater (sick) Stick it up your ass here: www.romhacking.net/hacks/5122/
@@RamblingGreek I wouldn't recommend it as a first time player, but that's just me. Even if you have a really creative set up with touch screen shortcuts and all that, I think the dual screen stuff on a PC takes you out of it a bit. Your results may vary
Most notably, the GCN version has a tendency to crash when you enter Great Bay in particular, but the emulation is unstable enough it can crash basically anywhere. The aiming is also really bad due to not being adjusted for the GCN's analog stick.
The thing is, the N64 Zelda’s were clunky as hell. The 3DS remakes alleviated most of the issues, but now the issue remains where PC emulators still have to use the touchscreen to navigate the menus. If that could be changed so that the touchscreen is no longer needed on Citra, they’d probably be the definitive versions of these titles.
Agree. While MM3D did some questionable changes, I cannot go back to the N64 version, because of just how much smoother the 3DS remake is in its gameplay. It feels so much less clunky, the framerate is higher, models and textures are much better, etc
WwwWario “Questionable changes.” If by questionable, you mean downright stupid, then yes. Who cares if the textures and models are better? The remake is a piece of shit.
@@SomeGuyWhoPlaysGames333 I personally didn't find them stupid. My biggest disappointment is the Zora swim change, but it's nothing I cannot live with. And personally I take that any day to have a much smoother and better engine
@@SomeGuyWhoPlaysGames333 Look. You like the game for different reasons. Some people like a streamlined and less clunky experience that is actually good to look at
Majora's Mask 3D has one major thing going for it - being able to warp to specific points in time for events to happen. I'm not exactly patient when it comes to things like that.
God I can only hope for that MM decompilation to lead to some group porting it to PC. So much of that game I want to love The graphics while dated, add to the oppressive, depressing atmosphere The UI design is pretty good (When d-pad is in use, love you Redux) The music is amazing The gameplay and structure is so unique But god damn that 20fps cap, I hate that 20fps cap so god damn much, that *one* system limitation of the N64 not being able to keep up with 30fps OoT and MM has kept me from going back and playing the original versions because it just feels and looks like complete dogshit to me. I really hope either someone can crack some way to run at 30fps without breaking the game (Never will happen) or a PC port comes along.
Honestly i don't care too much about the graphics, it's the framerate that always kept me away from the n64 originals. I'll be glad to play the 3ds version with the restoration patch. Thanks for shining a light on it!
The static recompilation project works excellently well. It adds gyroscopic aiming through steam input and allows for d-pad input for instruments and masks
As a "younger player" who played the 3D version first, having it become my favourite game, then later playing the original only for that to take the title, I would still agree with most of your points. The atmosphere, audio and gameplay of the original eclipses the 3DS remake in almost every way. I still think the updated saving, Bomber's Notebook, and gyro controls are improvement enough, but the 3D Restoration mod has polished the remaining rough edges better than Nintendo did and it's the best modern version of Majora's Mask in my opinion.
This is great, I love the editing and all the little sound effects like the Kremling yell. Though I have to wonder, if it's better to go through the trouble of figuring out how to softmod my New 3DS to play this version, or to just get Nerrel's patch for the N64 rom and play it directly on my PC... And I probably should have finished the video before commenting that.
Honestly the only thing that truly annoys me is the Odolwa changes HOWEVER if you fight him using the Bow and not the Deku Mask the fight is MUCH more enjoyable. Otherwise I think Goht and Gyorg are much better than the original fights which can be easily cheesed in the N64 version by just constantly Rolling/Magic Swim at them. The Zora Swimming changes are not that big of a deal imo and I actually like that Blue potions and Romani Milk are actually viable in the 3DS version where it actually forces you to use up your magic meter and making the Magic upgrade that much more impactful. I also don't really mind the Deku hop changes cause you can just Side-Hop onto the water to get that original boost like in the N64 version which adds that little bit more skill depth to the Swamp area on the 3DS. Overall I think both version have their own strengths and weaknesses and there is no definitive version which honestly I think makes Majora's Mask overall that much better when you actually have a reason to play both the N64 version AND the 3DS version.
@Some Guy though I do agree the N64 version is the overall best I have to disagree about the 3DS version being "unplayable". I would say it's still a good game in it's own right. Like I said before, the Odolwa fight is the biggest blemish on the 3DS version imo and the changes to Twinrova are questionable but I don't think it's anywhere near as bad as what they did to Odolwa and I think Goht and Gyorg are just fine with how they changed them so they can't be cheesed easily like in the N64 version. (Especially Goht, you can just side hop back and forth into line of sight and shoot arrows at him on N64 OR get the right angle on him while Goron rolling and just kill him in one cycle like how you can do the same with Gyorg with Zora magic swimming)
honestly i don’t agree with the zora swimming. i get making chateau romani more useful, but compromising the zora swimming isn’t the way to do it. there should’ve been a better way to make chateau romani more useful, but this isn’t the way to do it, not when it compromises the zora gameplay by having to veer out of the way to hit magic pots, and the fact that they added no magic to the bay after moving shiro to the fortress, meaning if you get to the fortress after draining your magic, you’re not seeing him
I was in a dilemma between which version to play on my PC (I never got to finish Majora's Mask before), but this video convinced me to choose the N64 version. I probably would have chosen the 3DS version if I hadn't watched this video, since I'm currently replaying Ocarina of Time 3D in HD, but that would have been a mistake. Thank you friend! You have earned a new subscriber!
The guy he mentioned in the video, Nerrel, is actually working on an HD texture pack for the game on PC (and it's almost done!). Might be worth checking out, if you're interested.
@@arekusu. Nerrel's texture pack is gonna be great. I don't want to speak for him but he's said a few times that he expects it to be done for the game's anniversary on Halloween 2020. My favourite RUclipsr for sure.
Honestly, the recompilation project (Zelda 64 recompiled) is excellent and adds d-pad support for masks and instruments. It also incorporates gyro aiming through steam input
There are a lot of fan mods to change textures and lighting, so I'm curious what a modpack with Restoration amd a bunch of visual changes would look like. Despite preferring the OG's art style, the 3DS version w/ Project Restoration wins out for me purely because its on a handheld and I still adore how it looks
As someone who played the game in the N64 in the '00s as kid, more recently with Nerrel's HD texture pack in Project 64, and also in Citra (3DS emulation) with texture packs by Henriko Magnifico, I'd say to get the full experience, one should go with the Project 64 + Nerrel's texture pack combo. One thing that I've greatly appreciated though was the fact that in the 3DS version you can skip to specific times, rather than skipping only to dawn of the next day or to night. But I can also recommend Citra with a texture pack and the restoration mod. I'd stay far away from the 3DS vanilla version cause it'll probably make you hate the game because Grezzo fucked up some stuff.
@@Ultra_Baby_Bros it's not bad at all. It's just not the best you can get. Of course it's way easier to legitimately play on the 3DS rather than the original N64 (which can be a pain in the ass with controls and lag sometimes) or the emulated versions.
I think they did the lighting the way they did in the 3d version of the game because otherwise you would barely be able to see on a 3ds, thing is portable and I couldn't imagine trying to fight in a darker room while out in the sun or even not in direct sunlight.
You mentioned Tinny Music and that’s how I feel about Starfox 64 3D. With the raw voice samples leaked, I truly hope someone makes an audio overhaul mod to take the N64 soundtrack and voice clips and put them on the 3DS game.
Majoras mask is just my favorite game period, and I was so excited when I heard about the remake when I was in high school, I pre-ordered and payed with my own money, I even bought the game guide just to have knowing I wouldn't need it. And I blitzed through the game in less than 2 days and never felt more disappointed about a remake. I knew I would be tough to please but the OoT remake was done so well that I had hope, if there was some way to get the smooth feeling controls and models from the 3ds version with the proper tone and difficulty of the N64 version I'd pay through the nose for it
I completely agree, I think the N64 one looks wayyy better because it adds to the tone of the game so well. Other than that I would still consider playing the remake but only because of the restoration pack. If the restoration pack didn’t exist I wouldn’t even think about playing it lol. And a personal problem (it might just be nostalgia) I have with the 3ds version is how link looks. Between ocarina of time and majoras mask on n64 we could tell that child link grew up a little bit and got a little taller and looked more mature but I didn’t notice it as much on the 3ds versions
I actually went for the N64 version and boy is it challenging managing all of the Quests, while keeping up the time schedule, but I do not regret it, now Majoras Mask is one of those games that I do not want to end because I ended up enjoying it so much I played Ocarina of Time as well but with the exception of a few components that game did not stick with me nearly as much as Majoras Mask did
The n64 version will always be my favorite and with nerrels or texture pack it almost looks just as good as the 3ds version (n64 has a lower polygon count and there is AFAIK nothing you can do about that) Also i prefer the dark lighting like 100x more than the shit the remake has
If the blue potion could be purchased at any time after giving Kotake the mushrooms, even after resetting the three day cycle, the Magic hags potion shop would be visited more often. And they didn’t fix it in this mod.
I bought Majora's mask 3d expecting an amazing experience because I just bought ocarina of time 3d and expected the same thing but I was wrong so I emulated the N64 Version and it was great worth the hassel
Enjoyed the video! Good job! The N64 version will always be the best, it's simply the original vision. My favorite zelda too. Wish they would make more like it.
I'm not sure why you were having performance issues in Citra with this game. It could potentially be a problem with Ryzen drivers, but either way, Citra has been updated a lot since this video came out and the few small oddities I myself experienced when emulating MM 3D appear to have been fixed. Runs basically perfectly now, even at very high resolutions.
I'm playing the 3ds version right now. I understand that Nintendo dropped the ball on this remake, but as someone who doesn't have a PC or modded consoles, I'm satisfied with what I have. I might try the Switch online version, when it's worth the price for me.
Hey just felt like helping you out a bit with the Citra emulation. I don't know how much you know about emulation, but one of the big issues with emulating modern consoles is "shader cache stutter". Basically, GPUs have these programs to help them do a lot more than they could with hardware alone, and consoles have been using them since the 6th gen, but while PCs have uber powerful shader programs and they do most of the shader rendering and caching during load times on PC games, consoles do it basically whenever. This can lead to stutter because the game wants your GPU to compile a shader, and that can take time, because CPU calls have to wait for the GPU to finish rendering. Other emulators got around this by doing something called "asynchrounous shader compilation" which means the CPU won't wait for the GPU to finish rendering and the game won't stutter. A major downside is that it creates extreme pop-in, and some games which rely on synchronous CPU GPU calculations will break, like Metroid Prime Trilogy for example. The silver lining in all this is that all this only happens the first time you play. You won't get stuttering again until you maybe update your driver or swap your GPU, because Citra created a shader cache to draw from so it never has to do the same real-time calculations again, thus increasing performance on repeat playthroughs. P. S. - Play Citra in fullscreen with the window active, otherwise you'll get stuttering like you saw in the video. At least, that's how I solved it.
Also, Dolphin's solution to this was to create a massive shader library to draw from on game start, which is super GPU intensive, and takes years of work to finish PER CONSOLE, assuming the console, aside from shader emulation, is almost 100% accurate. So Dolphin no longer suffers from this problem because their devs are some of the best in the homebrew scene, and they're 100% butt-fuck insane.
After reading a lot of the comments it seems like it really is just on my end. My knowledge of emulation isn't the best, but it's a topic I'm always interested in. Your explanation was really thorough and interesting, so thanks for writing it all up. I'll have a go of the window trick soon, glad to hear it fixed your issues.
Hey there thanks for this comment it was very helpful. Can you describe what you mean by citra in fullscreen with the window active? Is that different than true fullscreen (F11)? Thanks!
@@Max-vg8wm I think what he means is to make sure Citra is the selected application when you play. (highlighted in the taskbar, though you wouldn't need the taskbar to be visible, as it wouldn't be when in true fullscreen anyway)
My first complete playthrough of this game was in the remake, i tried to beat this game several times but i cant get used to the save system. When i played the remake i feel relief that the save system was so much easier and i finally could beat the game... but at the same time i feel like... i wasnt playing the game the correct way.. Im playing the N64 version of the game right now, and oh god its a so much superior experience, but.. i guess if i hadnt played the 3DS version i wouldnt be looking for the real experience now, so i didnt think the changes of the save system or other things that make the game more accessible is a bad thing, because of then im playing the original version now you know? But its understandable why a lot of people dont like this version, i understand now what a lot of people say about the vibe of the original game and how the 3DS version doesnt do it justice
You left out the most important thing about the 64 games, OoT and Majora, the Randomizers are the most fun way to play the games, they cut out all the fat ( cutscenes and slow text ) and just leave the gameplay elements. The 3DS games wont have good Randomizers for a long time ( OoT 3D got a randomizer recently but its still lacking )
See, randomizers are fun and all, but with Majora’s Mask that “fat” is half the reason to play the game. The dialogue and characters are so great that I wouldn’t really call a randomizer the “most fun” way to play Majora’s Mask.
Okay so I’m playing in the wii u virtual console and am stuck on the Zora egg bit. The guy says to put them in the tank before they die (they are in egg form) am I missing something? I don’t want to google incase I’m tempted to look for more info
You need to get four from the pirate fortress and three from the eels lair. You get to the eels lair by speaking to the fisherman by the ocean in his hut. Things should become clear from there.
@@prettyoriginalnameprettyor7506you you have to be in the middle of the tank Also if you've already reunited the seahorses you'll have to find your way back through the maze of signs yourself but it's not too hard if you look up how to get through it
i enjoyed this video, especially that part about how people who don't like this game are people who don't look like me, you made a good point, well done
If you haven't heard of it already Ship of Harkinian is a great way to play Ocarina of Time, and I hope someday we can get Majoras Mask that same treatment Update: 2 PC ports are now available for Majoras Mask, Majoras Mask Recompiled, and 2Ship2Harkinian
@Fonald 3D i'm using a ryzen 5 3600 and Nvidia gtx 1070 and my Majora's Mask 3d is running perfectly with 8x internal resolution. You might have changed a setting that is causing you to lag.
I've gotten one of my friends into Zelda, and it's time for the next games. I'm running an experiment here and recommending Majora's Mask 3D next (without having played the original) because I'm interested in knowing what the thoughts of someone who's never played it will be. I'm suspecting they won't have much issues, I am expecting Twinmold dissatisfaction.
For stone temple here’s what I definitely recommend doing if your gonna try to beat the boss twinmole and get the great fairy sword: Whenever you get light arrows deposit your rupees and all that and go back to the first day via the song of time and then when you come back shoot the red gem and basically it makes it to where you can finish the temple by the dawn of the second day if combined with the song of inverted time
6:39 id argue the darker pallete of the ogs concept art wasnt just a tonal decision to look good with the darkness of the game, but rather it was also because the devs had just...... made a zelda on the n64 and now knew what that looked like
Unfortunately, Project Restoration is the only way I'll be playing MM moving forward. Ideally, I'd like to play the N64 version with Nerrel's HD texture pack, but I don't have the time anymore as an adult to sit and wait for events to happen. Being able to fast forward to any hour in the 3D remake is the best QOL improvement in the game imo.
I hope someday we'll get a proper 3d remake that's faithful the original there's no real way to play this game right now outside of emulation or dropping hundreds on a 3ds/wii u
The patch should've also removed the reticle for when you're flying as deku Link and looking down, which I'm surprised no one brings up. It's a nice addition but your shadow was more than enough to give you an indication of where you're going to land instead of a huge spinning reticle that might as well be a sign that says "You are gonna land HERE"
The patch wasn't made to remove quality of life features that the 3ds remake added. It was to bring back what was removed from the original or add new improvements.
@@ShadowMan64572 I disagree. The process of flying is the exact same and you said it yourself that your shadow already hints to where you land. The reticle simplified the process by adding an alternate viewpoint. Some may not find it necessary, which is ok, because it's really a matter of personal preference which viewpoint you use.
@@superdude11235 You just admitted it was dumbed down in difficulty dude lol. That is not "the exact same." The old version gave you some indication but still had an element of challenge by making you judge distance and have some perception of depth. The 3ds version tries to spoon feed you, while the old shadow was subtle enough to make you pay closer attention.
4:25 Wait for the boss to stop near a mine, then aim for the chain, charge the bommerangs, and throw them when the boss try to swallow you, while resisting the boss's suction. Using magic swimming is a mistake that a lot of people make.
hey, great vid. i'm not so sure i agree on how big a problem the save owl feature still being intact is, but otherwise, spot on. what's your other content about? i'm interested
i think you have a bit of nostalgia bias going on in some places, and this comes from someone who grew up on the n64 version. no way after the restoration project is not the better version objectively in the vast majority of ways. also for most players, yeah, 20fps is just even if i am an older guy by now, 20fps is absolute garbage, heavy and unpleasant on the eyes. and you can almost count the frames. it destroys immersion for me, let alone for anyone who grew up in a time not used to playing something that's slightly more fluid than a game and watch game
First I just wanna say thanks for watching the whole video and managing to put up with me for that long. I really appreciate people taking the time to watch long videos from someone relatively new like myself. But funnily enough I don't think I really have much nostalgia for Majora's Mask, though I get what you mean. I grew up playing OOT and MM on the Gamecube, but as a kid I was far too stupid to make it past Woodfall. I first beat it on the 3DS when that version came out, then went back and beat the N64 version about two years ago. I didn't feel much nostalgia for it all, but I did feel like it was a more rewarding, challenging and moody experience than what I had beat on the 3DS after high school. I feel great nostalgia for the N64 version of OOT, but not enough to blind me that the 3DS version will be the far more enjoyable experience for most people, old and new. I don't think the same is true for adults who're curious about MM. I think the aesthetics of the experience are a huge part of why people loved Majora's Mask. They're perfect, and that's why it's such a shame that Grezzo fumbled the audio and wrecked the ambiance of so many environments to make the game more visually clear for portable play. The Anju/Kafei scene is one of the most especially egregious changes. In the original, the dim light coming through the window of the inn really made it feel like Link, Anju and Kafei were standing on the edge of time at the end of the world - "We shall greet the morning together." In the remake, it's completely flat and lifeless. If that was just one moment out of a whole game (see Ganon in OOT3D), I wouldn't care too much. But they ballsed up the mood of so many huge scenes that I find it hard to just take it as a trade-off. I generally don't like remakes outside of a few obvious choices like REmake and Halo 2 Anniversary. I think almost everyone could agree that they're more bad than good. People who are barely into video games may struggle with older graphics, but I think people who feel passionate about vidya need to get over it a bit. Outside of cases where the old game is borderline unplayable or its just a resolution bump/QoL changes, I usually recommend people play the original instead to expand their horizons and appreciate gaming history a bit. I don't think there's a hard rule about it, but people should do their homework in these situations, that's why I made this video. This is totally anecdotal, but in my experience, the people who ALWAYS go for the remakes are the same people who find black and white movies "unwatchable" because they've never challenged themselves to enjoy something beyond their time. I really regret that I didn't know about the N64 Majora's Mask REDUX mod before I made this video too. It adds masks on the Dpad, arrow switching and a few other good QoL changes similar to Restoration. The 3DS's 30fps is objectively superior to 20fps for sure, but after two minutes of playing the Wii VC version, I rarely ever thought about it myself. The unsteady 20-15fps on the N64 hardware is absolutely shithouse though, you're right. But at a rock solid locked 20fps on emulators, it never personally bothered me. Sorry for the wall of text, but I figured this comment might be useful for other viewers who have the same thoughts as you. I probably should have addressed that in the video, but I wanted to keep things concise. Thanks again for watching and giving your thoughts, have a good one.
From an objective standpoint, the 3ds version with the fix is technically superior and carries across lots of the missed quality-of-life things Nintendo missed; but he still prefers the original because the mood of the core game - through music, visual style and challenge - weren't as accurately portrayed. Whether that important to you comes down to preference. I doubt we'll ever get a fix that replaces all of the textures and tweaks all the lighting to better match the original because it would take an enormous amount of work
@@stankostankochunt5837 there's a youtuber named Nerrel who's doing a texture project also uses modern shaders that is more closely adjusted to the original colors and tones of the n64 version, he's doing both the n64 and 3ds versions. i think that might be to the liking of people who like the original's atmosphere better. the music is another story, it's not so easy to replace that for fan modders
my first zelda game was MM3D but i prefer the N64, Nostalgia doesn't have a big factor in this, it's just wanting to play the better version which is the original
Finally getting down to playing this game like 2 fucking years after watching this video, I'd say I'm glad I listened to you. Just randomly looking at 3DS footage after seeing how the game looked originally, I just can not underestimate how heavily the game was watered down, even if you play it patched.
@@bojaidin How would I use reshade on a goddamn 3DS? And if I'm emulating on PC I'd playing N64 version anyway because it's adapted for one screen and is easier to set up
@@lemonov3031 Citra is objectively the definitive way to play. You don't need to use a second screen to play with the restoration mod. Citra and the restoration mod are plug and play, don't really get how that's harder to setup than RetroArch.
@@bojaidin Oh yeah, so plug and play that you have to bother with reshades which there countless verisons of and set up everything while also having a good gaming rig to run the thing with possible visual bugs. Plug and play my ass
As someone who actually did play the original game on the N64 when it came out as a kid and has played it countless times throughout the decades, I'm generally ok on the 3DS version. The absolute biggest problem for me with the changes was the bomber notebook. For every little step of every little side quest it pulls out the book and makes a mark that takes literally eight seconds. It's so insanely tedious to deal with. Especially as someone who knows the game inside and out. For something like the Don Gero Mask it's ridiculous. You light the torches, that's an eight second unskippable cutscene. You roll and break the right chandelier. That's another eight second unskippable cutscene. You just PICK UP THE ROCK that's another unskippable eight second cutscene. You carry it to Don Gero and throw it up to him, you better believe that's another unskippable eight second custcene. When you find each frog that's another four unskippable eight second cutscenes, one for each frog. And then when you conduct the frog choir, that is indeed another eight second unskippable custcene telling you that you got a piece of heart. It's pure torture and makes me not want to play it. If it just did a little box on the bottom that lasts for half a second like the original, it would be fine. But no, apparently we have to handhold the player through every tiny little thing. Please Nintendo why. Other than that, yes the Zora swimming sucks. It's such a pointless change. But I could live with it if the bombers' notebook were not as bad. Or at least optional. It's given to you at the beginning instead of by the bombers on the second run finding them as a human, it's not optional.
I love the original game, but there are certain things in the 3ds version that actually make the game more challenging, the faster timer is a good idea, the problem comes when they broken the movement mechanics in zora and deku mode making it almost unplayable, the patched version is the way to go for a better experience, the d pad and everything else is a real improvement, the colorful style has never been a fail to me when the story remains with the same weird and creepy atmosphere. I think the save statues are like that because the portable format, its more dificult play long sessions into a 3ds or a android device designed for movility and shorter play sessions, I prefeer the new save sistem that the old one or use save states.
Is this fan patch easy to install on a 3DS cartridge? I want to be able to play this version of Majorca’s Mask on my 3DS but I’m not sure how I would accomplish this. Also this modification won’t cause any problems on my 3DS will it?
i honestly gotta disagree about statue saving. the complaint for myself and many others wasn’t that it exists, it was about removing the song of time saving in the process. it may be different for you, but for me and others like even nerrel for example, don’t mind statue saving being in the game. it’s a great addition that makes the game more accessible for newcomers because it was a barrier for a lot of people, but removing song of time saving was just unnecessary when it can coexist with statue saving. it’s about having options and letting people play the game the way they remembered. if people want the ability to save every 5 seconds, good for them. if people like me and others want to save only using the song of time like the original, we can now by just ignoring the statues and only use them for fast travel. i don’t think leo should remove statue saving like nintendo removed song of time saving. having the option to save using the statues or play the original way by ignoring them and only using the song of time to save is enough
I really badly want to play both Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask on either the original hardware or WiiU VC, heck, I already own OoT on VC. I find the graphics to be rather charming and set a mood that is completely different to that of the 3DS versions, plus I grew up playing games of that generation so I've grown accustomed. However, one thing that I simply cannot look past is the framerates, I only have access to PAL versions of these games so, yeah, stuck at 16fps. I've played some pretty terribly optimised games throughout the years, I played Sonic on GBA so I've seen what hell looks like. But perhaps I've just become too spoiled by games over the years because I cannot play those old Zelda games on VC, the FPS is just so fucking bad, which is a shame because that's literally the only thing holding me back from playing them.
I have an issue on citra. I have the feebback with the littre sound when the game open (before the majora's mask appear) but in game i haven't got any modification (no mask change with C pad, checkoint normal)...can you help me ? Thanks
I have no idea what you did with your graphics settings but the game ran perfect for me on every single PC I tried... I suggest you use the default settings and then just increase the revolution, and activate the custom textures if you have them installed
As someone who has played the n64 and gcn versions religiously, I would highly recommend emulating with Citra. This is coming from someone who now only owns a PC and emulates everything. With the patch, it felt so authentic and the controls for Citra made the touchscreen practically useless aside from the map (which I love because fuck motion and touch controls). So if you're someone who dislikes Nintendo's incessant need to incorporate shitty unintuitive controls instead of those that have been tried and true for over 30 years - try Citra. That said, I only recently did so on Citra, so back in 2020 it could've been worse.
Older video, but kinda weird that you call Majora's Mask's difficulty tense. The amount of health you get is less than OoT if you're following only the main scenario, since there're less full heart containers, but OoT and MM are both ridiculously easy and forgiving games as far as combat goes. I think the changes were dumb too, but not because the original MM had good, tense combat.
As much as the remake has terrible changes, I think we can all agree that the new 1/2 Reverse song of time makes it a bit more challenging. If in the original it was 1/2 and the remake made it 1/3 fans would complain that it was dumbed down to make it easier.
Yeah but it also makes challenge runs harder. I've only played the 3DS version, and after I first played it I learned in the original it was possible to do a challenge run of completing the game in one cycle and I was so disappointed learning you couldn't do it in the remake. I'm really tempted to finally try it now with the patch though.
Have you tried to change the screen options in luma by holding L, d-arrow and select to make it look darker? I've put the temperature to 5200k, the brightness to -0.10, the contrast to 1.20 and the gamma to 1.50 and the very first area in the game looks almost the same colors of the n64 ver, i plan to play the game later because i want to beat oot first so if someone who got to later parts of the game could tell me if those screen options look good in almost every part of the game i'd appreciate
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the 3D remakes are probably brighter and more colorful because of the portable format, so they are easier to see. it's a common trick developers use for handled games. so it's probably more of a practical choice than an artistic one
yeah you want it to be bright if you have sun glare
Shin megami tensei IV and Apocalypse would like word with you
Yep, they most likely did in on purpose for being portable. Dark areas are BAD on handhelds, especially when it's sunny.
Just last week I've tried playing new Pokemon Snap outside. The day levels were fine, but the nightlevels absolutely unplayable, even tough I wasn't directly in the sun.
Therefore I can totally understand that decison. It might be more atmospheric and a little bit nicer when the game is rather dark, but a Handheld Port that isn't playable outside kinda defeats the purpose.
They could make the game as dark as they wanted, a simple gamma control option would compensate for the handheld screen without sacrificing art style.
@@ShadowMan64572 yeah its not hard to change the lighting or texturing like that
The only real problems I have with Majora's Mask 3D is the Zora swimming and the fact that there are basically no magic bottles in great bay where you would need them the most because of the Zora swimming
Makes the Romani Milk a great item to take to the bay with you!
@@josephharb4607 yeah I always get that before the moon 😂
Aswell, as the fishing and bosses
The changes to Zora and Deku Link are the only real problems with the remake.
Sure, the bosses are worse but they're still (mostly) fine.
@@noodlebakeellie8243 it was ok for like a easy mode for newcomers but why didn't they just add like a master quest mode. Would loved the challenge.
Can't wait until GREZZO release Skyrim 3D.
Honestly, one of the only things they changed about the 3DS version that I actually liked was the inverted song of time speed. I think the nerf to how much it slows down the clock (intentional or not) really helped to actually preserve the tension of the 3 day cycle. Too bad they screwed it up by giving 2 of the bosses stupidly drawn out second phases.
There used to be speed runners who would try to beat all of Majora's Mask in a single 3 day cycle using the 1/3 speed inverted song of time. This kinda broke those challenge runs.
@@MonsucoYeah trying to do as many side quests to do in a single circle for the timeline to be the best for everyone (except for one old lady)
>Zora simming works like before
That's it. That's all I genuinely wanted. Everything else is an extremely appreciated extra, but this, this is it chief
For the brighter colors thing, I think it's just a hit-or-miss depending on what the situation is, and I don't think it's inherently bad for the game.
Stuff like the poison water in the Swamp Temple are pretty terrible, and the saturation should've been lower. However, the overall increased saturation or at least just in some areas can help play up the weird psychedelic horror-esque aspects of the game. This is kind of reflected through the art, like the mayor being overall incredibly drab except for the bright purple hair.
The real problem I think they missed out on is the contrast with the shadows, like the Gyorg boss room. If the shadows in that room were more extreme, it would look more like the original version without being incredibly dull looking.
The decompilation is almost done can't wait for the team to switch over to that
I don't get why people complain about the owl statues, That's like complaining that the special edition of empire strikes Back replaced that ugly CGI emperor with the actual emperor. Honestly I think having both saving methods is a good thing for newcomers
Did you pull that from schafrillas' majora's mask video? Lol.
Wow that mod on citra with the new hud makes it look like a switch game
I love playing this on Citra so much now. I replaced the 3ds soundtrack with a fanmade remastered soundtrack and with the 4k texture pack. The over-brightening is really the only gripe I have with it now. Everything else about it far exceeds the original and vanilla 3DS version. I personally could care less about the owl statue save system from the original because sometimes things come up IRL and I need to quit the game.
Actually, I would argue that Majora's Mask's official artwork- especially that one early promotional image that they used a lot, even if the game itself wound up looking pretty different- is actually MORE colorful than OoT's standard... but at the same time, uses sharper contrasts and shading. It kind of pops with a sort of... almost unreality feel to it, sometimes. Apparently some early concept artwork for the game was even more batshit than the final ended up being, which, god. So yeah, bright colors are not offensive to me; but I DO prefer the darker LIGHTING, at least. Maybe the 3DS was not capable of as dynamic shading as it would need to be to properly emulate the actual art style of the game. Reusing assets is probably another issue.
Things have probably changes since this video was made, so idk for sure about this mod and people's ability to change things in the game. I also never played the 3DS remake bc I never got to own a 3DS (I am ABSOLUTELY bitter about that, heh). From what I see the bossfights look more fun, gross cartoony eyeballs aside.
So as of the January 2nd patch, the sound setting of the original has been honoured and no longer forces surround mode, so the music sounds much cleaner than before
Pls don't mock my funco coffin, it's the best I could afford
Hey everyone. I'm dumb and forgot to mention the N64 Redux mod, which adds masks on the Dpad, magic arrow toggling and lets Zora link use the ocarina underwater (sick)
Stick it up your ass here: www.romhacking.net/hacks/5122/
Is there any way to get the patch onto a 3DS system since my game is already installed on to the system memory?
Do you still not recommend Citra for MM newcomers?
@@RamblingGreek I wouldn't recommend it as a first time player, but that's just me. Even if you have a really creative set up with touch screen shortcuts and all that, I think the dual screen stuff on a PC takes you out of it a bit. Your results may vary
What's so bad about the GC version? I played it long ago and it ran fine for me.
Most notably, the GCN version has a tendency to crash when you enter Great Bay in particular, but the emulation is unstable enough it can crash basically anywhere. The aiming is also really bad due to not being adjusted for the GCN's analog stick.
The thing is, the N64 Zelda’s were clunky as hell. The 3DS remakes alleviated most of the issues, but now the issue remains where PC emulators still have to use the touchscreen to navigate the menus. If that could be changed so that the touchscreen is no longer needed on Citra, they’d probably be the definitive versions of these titles.
Agree. While MM3D did some questionable changes, I cannot go back to the N64 version, because of just how much smoother the 3DS remake is in its gameplay. It feels so much less clunky, the framerate is higher, models and textures are much better, etc
WwwWario “Questionable changes.” If by questionable, you mean downright stupid, then yes. Who cares if the textures and models are better? The remake is a piece of shit.
@@SomeGuyWhoPlaysGames333 I personally didn't find them stupid. My biggest disappointment is the Zora swim change, but it's nothing I cannot live with. And personally I take that any day to have a much smoother and better engine
the touchpad on my DS4 controller serves as a touchscreen so i don't have too much trouble on citra
@@SomeGuyWhoPlaysGames333 Look. You like the game for different reasons. Some people like a streamlined and less clunky experience that is actually good to look at
Continue making videos, you seem like a cool guy
Company's version: Director's cut
Fan's version: Directors cut
Majora's Mask 3D has one major thing going for it - being able to warp to specific points in time for events to happen. I'm not exactly patient when it comes to things like that.
I put this patch into my 3ds and I love how it actually makes the game playable again
Its the definitive Version now
It definitely seems like an upgrade, but idk if "Playable again" is the right term lol
God I can only hope for that MM decompilation to lead to some group porting it to PC. So much of that game I want to love
The graphics while dated, add to the oppressive, depressing atmosphere
The UI design is pretty good (When d-pad is in use, love you Redux)
The music is amazing
The gameplay and structure is so unique
But god damn that 20fps cap, I hate that 20fps cap so god damn much, that *one* system limitation of the N64 not being able to keep up with 30fps OoT and MM has kept me from going back and playing the original versions because it just feels and looks like complete dogshit to me. I really hope either someone can crack some way to run at 30fps without breaking the game (Never will happen) or a PC port comes along.
This is why as a young player, I'm scared of the n64 version.
20 fps will stutter on my TV. And that is a real shame.
I AM 14 years old and i have this game at 100% complete i love this game
be proud of urself man. i would be
@@shridharmohanch i do that game is incredible and my country languaje is spanish and i've complete it on english
@@mr_link_ sigues jugando? Pillé una 3ds y quería algún código de amigo ;)
the split into the different categories of fixes made this very easy to digest, good call
Honestly i don't care too much about the graphics, it's the framerate that always kept me away from the n64 originals. I'll be glad to play the 3ds version with the restoration patch. Thanks for shining a light on it!
20Fps isn't hard to look at, you're clearly older than me so i find it funny you'd have this opinion
@@treeman73272 graphic hogs lmao
@@innocentzbat He prefers 30fps version so why can't he
The static recompilation project works excellently well. It adds gyroscopic aiming through steam input and allows for d-pad input for instruments and masks
As a "younger player" who played the 3D version first, having it become my favourite game, then later playing the original only for that to take the title, I would still agree with most of your points.
The atmosphere, audio and gameplay of the original eclipses the 3DS remake in almost every way. I still think the updated saving, Bomber's Notebook, and gyro controls are improvement enough, but the 3D Restoration mod has polished the remaining rough edges better than Nintendo did and it's the best modern version of Majora's Mask in my opinion.
I hope your video blows up, there was so much effort placed inside this video, I could've sworn you had at least 500k subscribers.
Thank you man, glad you enjoyed it.
This is great, I love the editing and all the little sound effects like the Kremling yell. Though I have to wonder, if it's better to go through the trouble of figuring out how to softmod my New 3DS to play this version, or to just get Nerrel's patch for the N64 rom and play it directly on my PC...
And I probably should have finished the video before commenting that.
Thanks brah. Softmodding a 3DS is very easy now, just follow this guide: 3ds.hacks.guide/
Honestly the only thing that truly annoys me is the Odolwa changes HOWEVER if you fight him using the Bow and not the Deku Mask the fight is MUCH more enjoyable. Otherwise I think Goht and Gyorg are much better than the original fights which can be easily cheesed in the N64 version by just constantly Rolling/Magic Swim at them. The Zora Swimming changes are not that big of a deal imo and I actually like that Blue potions and Romani Milk are actually viable in the 3DS version where it actually forces you to use up your magic meter and making the Magic upgrade that much more impactful. I also don't really mind the Deku hop changes cause you can just Side-Hop onto the water to get that original boost like in the N64 version which adds that little bit more skill depth to the Swamp area on the 3DS. Overall I think both version have their own strengths and weaknesses and there is no definitive version which honestly I think makes Majora's Mask overall that much better when you actually have a reason to play both the N64 version AND the 3DS version.
@Some Guy I've played it countless times, what about you?
@Some Guy though I do agree the N64 version is the overall best I have to disagree about the 3DS version being "unplayable". I would say it's still a good game in it's own right. Like I said before, the Odolwa fight is the biggest blemish on the 3DS version imo and the changes to Twinrova are questionable but I don't think it's anywhere near as bad as what they did to Odolwa and I think Goht and Gyorg are just fine with how they changed them so they can't be cheesed easily like in the N64 version. (Especially Goht, you can just side hop back and forth into line of sight and shoot arrows at him on N64 OR get the right angle on him while Goron rolling and just kill him in one cycle like how you can do the same with Gyorg with Zora magic swimming)
honestly i don’t agree with the zora swimming. i get making chateau romani more useful, but compromising the zora swimming isn’t the way to do it. there should’ve been a better way to make chateau romani more useful, but this isn’t the way to do it, not when it compromises the zora gameplay by having to veer out of the way to hit magic pots, and the fact that they added no magic to the bay after moving shiro to the fortress, meaning if you get to the fortress after draining your magic, you’re not seeing him
I was in a dilemma between which version to play on my PC (I never got to finish Majora's Mask before), but this video convinced me to choose the N64 version. I probably would have chosen the 3DS version if I hadn't watched this video, since I'm currently replaying Ocarina of Time 3D in HD, but that would have been a mistake. Thank you friend! You have earned a new subscriber!
The guy he mentioned in the video, Nerrel, is actually working on an HD texture pack for the game on PC (and it's almost done!). Might be worth checking out, if you're interested.
@@arekusu. Nerrel's texture pack is gonna be great. I don't want to speak for him but he's said a few times that he expects it to be done for the game's anniversary on Halloween 2020. My favourite RUclipsr for sure.
@@arekusu. a texture pack for the N64 version? I'll take a look, thanks for the tip!
Honestly, the recompilation project (Zelda 64 recompiled) is excellent and adds d-pad support for masks and instruments. It also incorporates gyro aiming through steam input
There are a lot of fan mods to change textures and lighting, so I'm curious what a modpack with Restoration amd a bunch of visual changes would look like.
Despite preferring the OG's art style, the 3DS version w/ Project Restoration wins out for me purely because its on a handheld and I still adore how it looks
As someone who played the game in the N64 in the '00s as kid, more recently with Nerrel's HD texture pack in Project 64, and also in Citra (3DS emulation) with texture packs by Henriko Magnifico, I'd say to get the full experience, one should go with the Project 64 + Nerrel's texture pack combo. One thing that I've greatly appreciated though was the fact that in the 3DS version you can skip to specific times, rather than skipping only to dawn of the next day or to night. But I can also recommend Citra with a texture pack and the restoration mod. I'd stay far away from the 3DS vanilla version cause it'll probably make you hate the game because Grezzo fucked up some stuff.
I played the 3ds version first and fell in love with the game so it obiously aint all bad
@@Ultra_Baby_Bros it's not bad at all. It's just not the best you can get. Of course it's way easier to legitimately play on the 3DS rather than the original N64 (which can be a pain in the ass with controls and lag sometimes) or the emulated versions.
I think they did the lighting the way they did in the 3d version of the game because otherwise you would barely be able to see on a 3ds, thing is portable and I couldn't imagine trying to fight in a darker room while out in the sun or even not in direct sunlight.
British Nerrel
Australian. Hello? British, Gal, in what world
Subbed just because of that violent ass intro, good stuff man
You mentioned Tinny Music and that’s how I feel about Starfox 64 3D. With the raw voice samples leaked, I truly hope someone makes an audio overhaul mod to take the N64 soundtrack and voice clips and put them on the 3DS game.
Today is your lucky day: ruclips.net/video/28am2wwxzfc/видео.html
the game is amzing to play no matter what version. but nice to see people getting to choose how they play
Majoras mask is just my favorite game period, and I was so excited when I heard about the remake when I was in high school, I pre-ordered and payed with my own money, I even bought the game guide just to have knowing I wouldn't need it.
And I blitzed through the game in less than 2 days and never felt more disappointed about a remake.
I knew I would be tough to please but the OoT remake was done so well that I had hope, if there was some way to get the smooth feeling controls and models from the 3ds version with the proper tone and difficulty of the N64 version I'd pay through the nose for it
ok thats just nostalgia speaking. emulating 3ds version is way better than emulating the n64 laggy version
I completely agree, I think the N64 one looks wayyy better because it adds to the tone of the game so well. Other than that I would still consider playing the remake but only because of the restoration pack. If the restoration pack didn’t exist I wouldn’t even think about playing it lol. And a personal problem (it might just be nostalgia) I have with the 3ds version is how link looks. Between ocarina of time and majoras mask on n64 we could tell that child link grew up a little bit and got a little taller and looked more mature but I didn’t notice it as much on the 3ds versions
I actually went for the N64 version and boy is it challenging
managing all of the Quests, while keeping up the time schedule, but I do not regret it, now Majoras Mask is one of those games that I do not want to end because I ended up enjoying it so much
I played Ocarina of Time as well but with the exception of a few components that game did not stick with me nearly as much as Majoras Mask did
The n64 version will always be my favorite and with nerrels or texture pack it almost looks just as good as the 3ds version (n64 has a lower polygon count and there is AFAIK nothing you can do about that)
Also i prefer the dark lighting like 100x more than the shit the remake has
i used to HATE majora's mask, but once i played for real, i absolutely FELL IN LOVE with the game, it's just incredible
I never fully got to play majoras mask until the remake the patch makes it so much more fun
Sad that Citra doesn't exist anymore. Any other recs?
Super helpful video and thank you. Was debating replaying it on the N64, or checking out this restoration mod. N64 it is. Cheers and great video
If the blue potion could be purchased at any time after giving Kotake the mushrooms, even after resetting the three day cycle, the Magic hags potion shop would be visited more often. And they didn’t fix it in this mod.
And now we have the PC port!! Thats the best way to play now!
3d or n64 ?
@@dlinkdj n64 :)
I bought Majora's mask 3d expecting an amazing experience because I just bought ocarina of time 3d and expected the same thing but I was wrong so I emulated the N64 Version and it was great worth the hassel
I don't know if its because the game on Citra has been fixed, but i had almost no performance issues.
Enjoyed the video! Good job! The N64 version will always be the best, it's simply the original vision. My favorite zelda too. Wish they would make more like it.
Wish they made a third game after Majora's mask and made it a trilogy.
Based.
7:06
I was so close to trying the GameCube version for my first playthrough
I'm not sure why you were having performance issues in Citra with this game. It could potentially be a problem with Ryzen drivers, but either way, Citra has been updated a lot since this video came out and the few small oddities I myself experienced when emulating MM 3D appear to have been fixed. Runs basically perfectly now, even at very high resolutions.
Can it be used as a .Cia file ON the nn3ds?
I'm playing the 3ds version right now. I understand that Nintendo dropped the ball on this remake, but as someone who doesn't have a PC or modded consoles, I'm satisfied with what I have. I might try the Switch online version, when it's worth the price for me.
What’s the background song at 7:00? And the outdo song? Both are very soothing
Hey just felt like helping you out a bit with the Citra emulation. I don't know how much you know about emulation, but one of the big issues with emulating modern consoles is "shader cache stutter". Basically, GPUs have these programs to help them do a lot more than they could with hardware alone, and consoles have been using them since the 6th gen, but while PCs have uber powerful shader programs and they do most of the shader rendering and caching during load times on PC games, consoles do it basically whenever. This can lead to stutter because the game wants your GPU to compile a shader, and that can take time, because CPU calls have to wait for the GPU to finish rendering. Other emulators got around this by doing something called "asynchrounous shader compilation" which means the CPU won't wait for the GPU to finish rendering and the game won't stutter. A major downside is that it creates extreme pop-in, and some games which rely on synchronous CPU GPU calculations will break, like Metroid Prime Trilogy for example. The silver lining in all this is that all this only happens the first time you play. You won't get stuttering again until you maybe update your driver or swap your GPU, because Citra created a shader cache to draw from so it never has to do the same real-time calculations again, thus increasing performance on repeat playthroughs.
P. S. - Play Citra in fullscreen with the window active, otherwise you'll get stuttering like you saw in the video. At least, that's how I solved it.
Also, Dolphin's solution to this was to create a massive shader library to draw from on game start, which is super GPU intensive, and takes years of work to finish PER CONSOLE, assuming the console, aside from shader emulation, is almost 100% accurate. So Dolphin no longer suffers from this problem because their devs are some of the best in the homebrew scene, and they're 100% butt-fuck insane.
After reading a lot of the comments it seems like it really is just on my end. My knowledge of emulation isn't the best, but it's a topic I'm always interested in. Your explanation was really thorough and interesting, so thanks for writing it all up. I'll have a go of the window trick soon, glad to hear it fixed your issues.
Hey there thanks for this comment it was very helpful. Can you describe what you mean by citra in fullscreen with the window active? Is that different than true fullscreen (F11)?
Thanks!
@@Max-vg8wm I think what he means is to make sure Citra is the selected application when you play. (highlighted in the taskbar, though you wouldn't need the taskbar to be visible, as it wouldn't be when in true fullscreen anyway)
My first complete playthrough of this game was in the remake, i tried to beat this game several times but i cant get used to the save system.
When i played the remake i feel relief that the save system was so much easier and i finally could beat the game... but at the same time i feel like... i wasnt playing the game the correct way..
Im playing the N64 version of the game right now, and oh god its a so much superior experience, but.. i guess if i hadnt played the 3DS version i wouldnt be looking for the real experience now, so i didnt think the changes of the save system or other things that make the game more accessible is a bad thing, because of then im playing the original version now you know?
But its understandable why a lot of people dont like this version, i understand now what a lot of people say about the vibe of the original game and how the 3DS version doesnt do it justice
I'm so happy that my dad made me grow up with classics like majoras mask.
You left out the most important thing about the 64 games, OoT and Majora, the Randomizers are the most fun way to play the games, they cut out all the fat ( cutscenes and slow text ) and just leave the gameplay elements. The 3DS games wont have good Randomizers for a long time ( OoT 3D got a randomizer recently but its still lacking )
See, randomizers are fun and all, but with Majora’s Mask that “fat” is half the reason to play the game. The dialogue and characters are so great that I wouldn’t really call a randomizer the “most fun” way to play Majora’s Mask.
at the beginning I thought you were about to go on a roasting spree lol
Okay so I’m playing in the wii u virtual console and am stuck on the Zora egg bit. The guy says to put them in the tank before they die (they are in egg form) am I missing something? I don’t want to google incase I’m tempted to look for more info
You need to get four from the pirate fortress and three from the eels lair. You get to the eels lair by speaking to the fisherman by the ocean in his hut. Things should become clear from there.
@@MCsonic537 I’ve reached the eels layer and bought back two eggs but it won’t let me put them in the tank
Just stand on top of the tank and open the bottles. That should work
@@prettyoriginalnameprettyor7506you you have to be in the middle of the tank
Also if you've already reunited the seahorses you'll have to find your way back through the maze of signs yourself but it's not too hard if you look up how to get through it
i enjoyed this video, especially that part about how people who don't like this game are people who don't look like me, you made a good point, well done
If you haven't heard of it already
Ship of Harkinian is a great way to play Ocarina of Time, and I hope someday we can get Majoras Mask that same treatment
Update:
2 PC ports are now available for Majoras Mask, Majoras Mask Recompiled, and 2Ship2Harkinian
@Fonald 3D i'm using a ryzen 5 3600 and Nvidia gtx 1070 and my Majora's Mask 3d is running perfectly with 8x internal resolution. You might have changed a setting that is causing you to lag.
Welp, Nintendo killed Yuzu and Citra so I don't think we'll see a lot of improvement regarding issues with the emulator.
I've gotten one of my friends into Zelda, and it's time for the next games. I'm running an experiment here and recommending Majora's Mask 3D next (without having played the original) because I'm interested in knowing what the thoughts of someone who's never played it will be. I'm suspecting they won't have much issues, I am expecting Twinmold dissatisfaction.
For stone temple here’s what I definitely recommend doing if your gonna try to beat the boss twinmole and get the great fairy sword:
Whenever you get light arrows deposit your rupees and all that and go back to the first day via the song of time and then when you come back shoot the red gem and basically it makes it to where you can finish the temple by the dawn of the second day if combined with the song of inverted time
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id argue the darker pallete of the ogs concept art wasnt just a tonal decision to look good with the darkness of the game, but rather it was also because the devs had just...... made a zelda on the n64 and now knew what that looked like
I love that new HUD!
I think one if the last changes the modders need to do is zooming out the camera so it really feels like a console game
Unfortunately, Project Restoration is the only way I'll be playing MM moving forward. Ideally, I'd like to play the N64 version with Nerrel's HD texture pack, but I don't have the time anymore as an adult to sit and wait for events to happen. Being able to fast forward to any hour in the 3D remake is the best QOL improvement in the game imo.
Majora's Mask outdates me by a few years but it's still my favorite video game of all time.
Sorry but it can’t be, you’re not allowed to have it as your favorite game if it’s older than you are.
@@bearzdlc2172 I don't care
@@feenickstv4209 based
@@bearzdlc2172 nice bait
I hope someday we'll get a proper 3d remake that's faithful the original there's no real way to play this game right now outside of emulation or dropping hundreds on a 3ds/wii u
Same
The patch should've also removed the reticle for when you're flying as deku Link and looking down, which I'm surprised no one brings up. It's a nice addition but your shadow was more than enough to give you an indication of where you're going to land instead of a huge spinning reticle that might as well be a sign that says "You are gonna land HERE"
The patch wasn't made to remove quality of life features that the 3ds remake added. It was to bring back what was removed from the original or add new improvements.
@@superdude11235 That was not a quality of life feature though, it was dumbed down difficulty.
@@ShadowMan64572 I disagree. The process of flying is the exact same and you said it yourself that your shadow already hints to where you land. The reticle simplified the process by adding an alternate viewpoint. Some may not find it necessary, which is ok, because it's really a matter of personal preference which viewpoint you use.
@@superdude11235 You just admitted it was dumbed down in difficulty dude lol. That is not "the exact same."
The old version gave you some indication but still had an element of challenge by making you judge distance and have some perception of depth. The 3ds version tries to spoon feed you, while the old shadow was subtle enough to make you pay closer attention.
@@ShadowMan64572 you don't have to use the reticle if you don't want to though
Looking forward to a video on Nerrels new texture pack for MM. 🙂
4:25 Wait for the boss to stop near a mine, then aim for the chain, charge the bommerangs, and throw them when the boss try to swallow you, while resisting the boss's suction.
Using magic swimming is a mistake that a lot of people make.
hey, great vid. i'm not so sure i agree on how big a problem the save owl feature still being intact is, but otherwise, spot on. what's your other content about? i'm interested
i think you have a bit of nostalgia bias going on in some places, and this comes from someone who grew up on the n64 version. no way after the restoration project is not the better version objectively in the vast majority of ways. also for most players, yeah, 20fps is just even if i am an older guy by now, 20fps is absolute garbage, heavy and unpleasant on the eyes. and you can almost count the frames. it destroys immersion for me, let alone for anyone who grew up in a time not used to playing something that's slightly more fluid than a game and watch game
First I just wanna say thanks for watching the whole video and managing to put up with me for that long. I really appreciate people taking the time to watch long videos from someone relatively new like myself.
But funnily enough I don't think I really have much nostalgia for Majora's Mask, though I get what you mean. I grew up playing OOT and MM on the Gamecube, but as a kid I was far too stupid to make it past Woodfall. I first beat it on the 3DS when that version came out, then went back and beat the N64 version about two years ago. I didn't feel much nostalgia for it all, but I did feel like it was a more rewarding, challenging and moody experience than what I had beat on the 3DS after high school.
I feel great nostalgia for the N64 version of OOT, but not enough to blind me that the 3DS version will be the far more enjoyable experience for most people, old and new. I don't think the same is true for adults who're curious about MM.
I think the aesthetics of the experience are a huge part of why people loved Majora's Mask. They're perfect, and that's why it's such a shame that Grezzo fumbled the audio and wrecked the ambiance of so many environments to make the game more visually clear for portable play. The Anju/Kafei scene is one of the most especially egregious changes. In the original, the dim light coming through the window of the inn really made it feel like Link, Anju and Kafei were standing on the edge of time at the end of the world - "We shall greet the morning together." In the remake, it's completely flat and lifeless. If that was just one moment out of a whole game (see Ganon in OOT3D), I wouldn't care too much. But they ballsed up the mood of so many huge scenes that I find it hard to just take it as a trade-off.
I generally don't like remakes outside of a few obvious choices like REmake and Halo 2 Anniversary. I think almost everyone could agree that they're more bad than good. People who are barely into video games may struggle with older graphics, but I think people who feel passionate about vidya need to get over it a bit. Outside of cases where the old game is borderline unplayable or its just a resolution bump/QoL changes, I usually recommend people play the original instead to expand their horizons and appreciate gaming history a bit.
I don't think there's a hard rule about it, but people should do their homework in these situations, that's why I made this video. This is totally anecdotal, but in my experience, the people who ALWAYS go for the remakes are the same people who find black and white movies "unwatchable" because they've never challenged themselves to enjoy something beyond their time.
I really regret that I didn't know about the N64 Majora's Mask REDUX mod before I made this video too. It adds masks on the Dpad, arrow switching and a few other good QoL changes similar to Restoration.
The 3DS's 30fps is objectively superior to 20fps for sure, but after two minutes of playing the Wii VC version, I rarely ever thought about it myself. The unsteady 20-15fps on the N64 hardware is absolutely shithouse though, you're right. But at a rock solid locked 20fps on emulators, it never personally bothered me.
Sorry for the wall of text, but I figured this comment might be useful for other viewers who have the same thoughts as you. I probably should have addressed that in the video, but I wanted to keep things concise. Thanks again for watching and giving your thoughts, have a good one.
From an objective standpoint, the 3ds version with the fix is technically superior and carries across lots of the missed quality-of-life things Nintendo missed; but he still prefers the original because the mood of the core game - through music, visual style and challenge - weren't as accurately portrayed. Whether that important to you comes down to preference. I doubt we'll ever get a fix that replaces all of the textures and tweaks all the lighting to better match the original because it would take an enormous amount of work
@@stankostankochunt5837 there's a youtuber named Nerrel who's doing a texture project also uses modern shaders that is more closely adjusted to the original colors and tones of the n64 version, he's doing both the n64 and 3ds versions. i think that might be to the liking of people who like the original's atmosphere better. the music is another story, it's not so easy to replace that for fan modders
Completely
my first zelda game was MM3D but i prefer the N64, Nostalgia doesn't have a big factor in this, it's just wanting to play the better version which is the original
This is a great review Fonald 3D, thanks for making it.
Your start to the video was refreshingly blunt and funny.
"And I hope you enjoy Captain Marvel 2"
Instant like.
Finally getting down to playing this game like 2 fucking years after watching this video, I'd say I'm glad I listened to you. Just randomly looking at 3DS footage after seeing how the game looked originally, I just can not underestimate how heavily the game was watered down, even if you play it patched.
Just use reshade if you care enough
@@bojaidin How would I use reshade on a goddamn 3DS? And if I'm emulating on PC I'd playing N64 version anyway because it's adapted for one screen and is easier to set up
@@lemonov3031 Citra is objectively the definitive way to play. You don't need to use a second screen to play with the restoration mod.
Citra and the restoration mod are plug and play, don't really get how that's harder to setup than RetroArch.
@@bojaidin Oh yeah, so plug and play that you have to bother with reshades which there countless verisons of and set up everything while also having a good gaming rig to run the thing with possible visual bugs. Plug and play my ass
@@lemonov3031 uh
Reshade is optional.
It's easy to setup anyways lol
Just drag and drop a preset you like and you're done
As someone who actually did play the original game on the N64 when it came out as a kid and has played it countless times throughout the decades, I'm generally ok on the 3DS version. The absolute biggest problem for me with the changes was the bomber notebook. For every little step of every little side quest it pulls out the book and makes a mark that takes literally eight seconds. It's so insanely tedious to deal with. Especially as someone who knows the game inside and out.
For something like the Don Gero Mask it's ridiculous. You light the torches, that's an eight second unskippable cutscene. You roll and break the right chandelier. That's another eight second unskippable cutscene. You just PICK UP THE ROCK that's another unskippable eight second cutscene. You carry it to Don Gero and throw it up to him, you better believe that's another unskippable eight second custcene. When you find each frog that's another four unskippable eight second cutscenes, one for each frog. And then when you conduct the frog choir, that is indeed another eight second unskippable custcene telling you that you got a piece of heart. It's pure torture and makes me not want to play it. If it just did a little box on the bottom that lasts for half a second like the original, it would be fine. But no, apparently we have to handhold the player through every tiny little thing. Please Nintendo why.
Other than that, yes the Zora swimming sucks. It's such a pointless change. But I could live with it if the bombers' notebook were not as bad. Or at least optional. It's given to you at the beginning instead of by the bombers on the second run finding them as a human, it's not optional.
The way it looks now with the restoration and new HUD looks like it's comming right from a Wii u/Switch HD remake
I love the original game, but there are certain things in the 3ds version that actually make the game more challenging, the faster timer is a good idea, the problem comes when they broken the movement mechanics in zora and deku mode making it almost unplayable, the patched version is the way to go for a better experience, the d pad and everything else is a real improvement, the colorful style has never been a fail to me when the story remains with the same weird and creepy atmosphere. I think the save statues are like that because the portable format, its more dificult play long sessions into a 3ds or a android device designed for movility and shorter play sessions, I prefeer the new save sistem that the old one or use save states.
I know the video is old but imo you definitely forgot to mention that while 3Ds majora is inferior it is by no means bad, still a really fun game.
Good editing and good plug in for the fixed version
Kinda wish that, if they remake this game again, they use the heavy shadow art style present in the concept art
The 4k texture pack blows this out of the water
Is this fan patch easy to install on a 3DS cartridge? I want to be able to play this version of Majorca’s Mask on my 3DS but I’m not sure how I would accomplish this. Also this modification won’t cause any problems on my 3DS will it?
I remember MM3d having more improvements than downgrades from the original imo
Overall W restoration
i honestly gotta disagree about statue saving. the complaint for myself and many others wasn’t that it exists, it was about removing the song of time saving in the process. it may be different for you, but for me and others like even nerrel for example, don’t mind statue saving being in the game. it’s a great addition that makes the game more accessible for newcomers because it was a barrier for a lot of people, but removing song of time saving was just unnecessary when it can coexist with statue saving. it’s about having options and letting people play the game the way they remembered. if people want the ability to save every 5 seconds, good for them. if people like me and others want to save only using the song of time like the original, we can now by just ignoring the statues and only use them for fast travel. i don’t think leo should remove statue saving like nintendo removed song of time saving. having the option to save using the statues or play the original way by ignoring them and only using the song of time to save is enough
I really badly want to play both Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask on either the original hardware or WiiU VC, heck, I already own OoT on VC. I find the graphics to be rather charming and set a mood that is completely different to that of the 3DS versions, plus I grew up playing games of that generation so I've grown accustomed. However, one thing that I simply cannot look past is the framerates, I only have access to PAL versions of these games so, yeah, stuck at 16fps. I've played some pretty terribly optimised games throughout the years, I played Sonic on GBA so I've seen what hell looks like. But perhaps I've just become too spoiled by games over the years because I cannot play those old Zelda games on VC, the FPS is just so fucking bad, which is a shame because that's literally the only thing holding me back from playing them.
The 3DS removes Link's sideburns that existed in the N64 version and artwork..
I have an issue on citra. I have the feebback with the littre sound when the game open (before the majora's mask appear) but in game i haven't got any modification (no mask change with C pad, checkoint normal)...can you help me ?
Thanks
This is very informative I hopefully might download this on my 3ds
lol its on citra emulator
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Nop!
@@omargt738 and on 3ds too...
I have no idea what you did with your graphics settings but the game ran perfect for me on every single PC I tried... I suggest you use the default settings and then just increase the revolution, and activate the custom textures if you have them installed
As someone who has played the n64 and gcn versions religiously, I would highly recommend emulating with Citra. This is coming from someone who now only owns a PC and emulates everything. With the patch, it felt so authentic and the controls for Citra made the touchscreen practically useless aside from the map (which I love because fuck motion and touch controls). So if you're someone who dislikes Nintendo's incessant need to incorporate shitty unintuitive controls instead of those that have been tried and true for over 30 years - try Citra. That said, I only recently did so on Citra, so back in 2020 it could've been worse.
Older video, but kinda weird that you call Majora's Mask's difficulty tense. The amount of health you get is less than OoT if you're following only the main scenario, since there're less full heart containers, but OoT and MM are both ridiculously easy and forgiving games as far as combat goes.
I think the changes were dumb too, but not because the original MM had good, tense combat.
Thanks so much for this. I'll drop a comment on nerrel's vid so hopefully more of the viewers can find this and play the fix
As much as the remake has terrible changes, I think we can all agree that the new 1/2 Reverse song of time makes it a bit more challenging. If in the original it was 1/2 and the remake made it 1/3 fans would complain that it was dumbed down to make it easier.
Yeah but it also makes challenge runs harder. I've only played the 3DS version, and after I first played it I learned in the original it was possible to do a challenge run of completing the game in one cycle and I was so disappointed learning you couldn't do it in the remake. I'm really tempted to finally try it now with the patch though.
Have you tried to change the screen options in luma by holding L, d-arrow and select to make it look darker? I've put the temperature to 5200k, the brightness to -0.10, the contrast to 1.20 and the gamma to 1.50 and the very first area in the game looks almost the same colors of the n64 ver, i plan to play the game later because i want to beat oot first so if someone who got to later parts of the game could tell me if those screen options look good in almost every part of the game i'd appreciate
You are a very hardcore gamer. Most people don’t even think about changes like this.