Mister's Most Evil Deed | The Color Purple 1985 vs 2023
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- Опубликовано: 11 сен 2024
- Join Heit & Cheri as they discuss the scene where Mister brutally tears sisters Celie and Nettie apart, separating them for decades in The Color Purple 1985 vs the 2023 version.
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I'm sorry but Danny Glover's weird dance in the bushes was more terrifying
He great actor but i hated him n this movie
Lol. So he did his job lol
Hell yes it was!!!
I just want to say that The Color Purple (1985) was the by the WORST robbery of an Oscar in film history and trust me there were some films that were deserving of an Oscar.
Yeah I read that they lost to a movie called Out of Africa… and wtf is that? Are people still talking about the impact of that movie today? The Oscars is a real joke and often gets it wrong.
Oscars is full of shit.
The movie also answers the question of the similarities between Oliver and Celie:
“For the next eight or ten months, Oliver was the victim of a systematic course of treachery and deception.”
And so was she..
That's true too!
OOO great catch on the writing! Makes CP iconic
The 2023 version is trying too hard. Trying to hard to not be 1985 and trying to hard to force emotions rather than creating them organically. POETICAL
its a middle point between the original and the broadway version
The 1985 film is just supreme and superb…we didn’t need a new one. Poetical or not 😂
Fun fact….in the beginning when Netty is saying why….i saw in an interview the reason the scene hit so deep is because wen mister was trying to separate them he was really hitting the actresses hands on the tree and it was painful….the director told Danny Glover to just separate them however he can and the actress who played Netty was crying why because of that
The 1985 version, I cry 😭 every time 😢
Yes!!!
I cried even watching it on here😢
Shugs scene “GOD is tryna tell you something” I cried the first time I watched it and every time after that. I’m 47 and I still cry as if seeing it for the first time.
LOVE THAT SCENE!!!!
Speak LORD….
Speak to me😢😢😢😢😢
@@naterra5707 I love that scene as well 👍🏾 cry and singing along.. crying 😭 when she finally hugs 🤗 her father and says, see daddy, sinners have souls too . And, he slowly 😔😭 embraces her, crying 😭 as well. 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭🤗
In the book, Mister simply said that Nettie had to go cause she wouldn’t give it up. There was no drama at all. She packed her bags and left. The attempted sexual assault didn’t occur until after she moved out in route to school in the woods if I recall.
That’s right! I forgot reading that.
He’s such a creep. That scene will forever make me uncomfortable…🤢🤮🤮
Hold up, the attempt happened after he put her out?
@@SuperJmoney92 Yep‼️
And he did all that in front of those kids.
Yep!
I think in the SS version, he either tried to lift her dress or he tried to take his pants off and she kicked him. She knew for sure that he was on bs and she went into action to protect herself.
Love Halle, but honestly her "Nothing but death can keep me from it" had no emotion behind it at all. It sounded too scripted. Even though we know the movie is scripted, the audience is supposed to feel like the characters are real and existing naturally. I don't mean any harm, but that line was delivered in a high school theatre club fashion.
It’s because she, like a lot of the cast, were trying to sound extra country 🥴
She was a child . it’s knowledge shared in the original movie and the book that he killed his wife while leaving church because of her boyfriend and the culture was not for him to talk to her without talking to her father, which he does in the first movie and he actually asked for her hand in marriage first And the dad makes him take Celie
The 1985 version where Mister rides his horse and his smile is so menacing and creepy. Very hard visual to forget
Oliver twist ❤ beautiful novel...about a boy who in birth, the mother had gone through harsh delivery and died. He's growing up in harsh moments, but had a humbled modest blessed spirit ❤ through All this tragic harshness. Ended up richly blessed inside and financially. And, it hasn't changed him but made him better, humbled,loving. When Life craps you the lousyiness, staying true and good hearted exalts to greater purpose 😊❤
Thanks so much! We knew one of the viewers would come through for us about Oliver Twist. I can see how there is a parallel between his life and Celie's based on your description.
Please sir I want some more 😮😢😂
My brother was in the stage play. I was young so i don't recall his role.
Nothing beats the old one and no pun intended. 😮.
The horse heard it and felt that he was like oh dang 😂
Both scenes do something to the heart and soul but I think the newer version of this scene was much more intense. It being a rainy night, him having a gun, it just added more to the intensity and drama of that scene. And the fact that what triggered this was that she didn’t want to have sex with him is even more upsetting. This was how life was like for so many young black girls in the south during that time. Imagine being a literal 14 year old child, and you have no other choice but to live with a man old enough to be your daddy, and one night he tries to rape you? He threatens your life, you run away and have literally nowhere to go. Smh so sad
The part where Nettie ran away and he points the gun at Celie, my heart dropped. That shit was so scary
Did you think that the newest scene was really fast paced?
I agree! I actually liked Halle's acting in this scene as well. It was so intense, all of it. I get the comparisons to the old film, however I definitely believed they did it justice as their own adaptation. I do agree with the content creators that the scene felt quick, but honestly it was so intense, I wouldn't have wanted it to be longer.
I like the first one u can feel the pain and love the sister shares
They don't need to remake the movie.
Leave it as a classic
This new color purple makes no sense to me
I hate to say this but the 1985 version benefitted by having a white male director. Spielberg being a white male has less reservations about how he wanted to direct the portrayal of black men on screen. I can imagine it being tougher for a black man to direct this same intense portrayal. I hope this doesn’t get read wrong but I believe the 2023 version was done too nice. I personally know that not all Black men are Mister, some are Harpo and some are Buster and some are Grady right. There were so many black male charters with a bunch of different personalities. Mister is highlighted because Celie is highlighted. Just as there’s many male personalities there’s many women personalities in this film. And we get to see them all. It just so happen that this story is written from the perspective of Celie and her experiences and Mister is one. I’m grateful to have lived in a time to witness both films and read the book to better understand what all the artist involved were offering. Grateful to Alice Walker for writing such an outstanding and amazing book. All that said I wish for a time that all Black directors and writers of all genders are open to freely writing and directing Black characters that are multi dimensional.
Hmmm... that's an interesting theory about Spielberg and the portrayal of Black men on film. I'm going to think about that.
I love the way you articulated this. Thank you so much for this perspective.
The 1985 version focused more on the acting rather than singing. To me the 2023 version was rushed.
As far as a comparison of the two films old and new. I think this new version is nice and sorta like a mini musical but it lacks that true "HEART FELT" of the time in history, the problems for black people. And the horrible face of poverty, and the aftermaths.
Go head, Heit! I see your directing skills coming through 😂
😂😂😂 Its very easy to SAY what should be done
POETICAL! The 1985 one is better & it’s not even close. The 2023 one lacked emotion. Fun Fact: The orignal Nettie was also in New Jack City.
Akousia Bousia is her name, I believe.
Would yall be interested in doing these comparisons for Roots 1977 and 2016?
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I love this idea because we've been wanting to do it.
I would love to see that too. Personally I think the chicken George being sold scene was done better in the newer version then the old. It was more tragic. @@HeitCheri
Roots is worse than Color Purple what's up with Hollywood remaking the same shit.
get off mah land !! 😅😅😅 .. I thought this scene out and I think if Nettie had gave Mister some good loving , that would have brought her time. the separation of Nettie/Celie reminds me of the trans Atlantic slave trade, sisters ( Africans ) being sold off, put on slave ships and brought to a new world . the irony is Nettie took the slave trade in reverse and ended up in Africa , and at the hands of a black man dressed as an overseer ... that's a whole discussion right there
Poetical 🤣🤣The 2023 version had no emotion and it didn’t leave the audience feeling anything. It’s true that John Singleton and the original Nettie were married.
Full circle moment for Mister, as Nettie uses her two fingers to declare that nothing but death and keep me from writing. Then when Celie leaves Mister she uses those same two fingers to bring him into submission that everything that he had done was going to be done to him. The truth came full circle when she discovered all those letters!
The 2023 took an easier route in drama by making it dark and rainy and by giving Mister a gun. It was something to see something so horrific happen in the daylight in the 1985 version
The first one to me was more of a shock. We already know what is coming. The director is also not the only one that chooses which takes will go in the film. The studio plays a huge part in that too. It's hard to compare the musical which follows the book more than the original film. As far as these two scenes I like that it was done at night which flows with the scenes after it. The 1985 version separation was more emotional than this one. The 2023 version was trying to shed more light on the story from the book and not be as negative. Alice Walker herself was on set and loved the direction of the 2023 version. There are sooo many untold stories from the book that neither film mentions. I like that the 2023 version touches on some of these untold stories. There's room for both versions as well as future versions. The real winner is Alice Walker for writing a great book!
Can you do an episode comparing the scene where Sofia said hell no and hit the mayor to the new color purple?
WOW that man separated the sisters just like the father separated sisters and tried to molest her in the bedroom and she had to leave once again 😢
Mister didn't get Bettie because his pants are still up.
Pants used to button back then. No way he could take that hit and fix his pants
Poetical loved the vid ! Guys pointed out alot of the small details i didn't even notice while watching back in the day until now got me thinking thanks!
Appreciate y’all doing these. I’d love to see yall do these comparisons with the book aswell. Understand if y’all wonna stick to film.
Hand games are called "Patty Cake"
In my opinion, the 2023 Netty is out of Era. 2023 Netty feels like a modern 2023 woman. This is how a woman walking in NY in the modern day would flirt with a man . I was waiting for her to say " boy bye" the whole time. Also, her wardrobe and makeup don't help. They made Netty appear older , cleaner , prettier, and above Celie in every way. They do not come off as being sisters to me.
I liked both versions, the 1985 version definitely takes the cake tho, I remember when I younger I was honestly afraid to fully watch the movie, I had seen some scenes here and there, like the separation scene and I just never wanted to see the movie cuz it looked depressing, which it is, but also very beautiful as well, but I finally watched it a few years ago once I was an adult and it’s such a heart wrenching film, one of my favorite Whoopi Goldberg films, everyone was amazing and I was balling the whole time, I watched the 2023 version recently while staying at a hotel, I didn’t hate it, I liked everyone’s performance, I was like 30 min maybe when I put it on so I didn’t see much of Halle, but I honestly didn’t hate it, I’m a musical lover so I don’t love all the songs or remember them but I had a few I really enjoyed, a highlight performance for me was Oprah’s character, I thought she was wonderful, my main complaint is I felt because they had to have time for songs the regular scenes that were so iconic in the original felt rushed, like how do we get to this scene so we can put a song here mentality, but I honestly liked it still
Poetical- 1985v was better
Can yall do something on Rosewood
I really enjoyed the reimagined version of The Color Purple 2023. Wached it multiple times. The Color Purple 1985 was my favorite movie for years. Don’t know how many times I’ve watched it.
I'm glad you enjoyed it. A number of people really liked it and commented as such. I don't think it was a complete fail and I'm happy that there were people who saw the vision 😊
It is my opinion that the significance of Oliver Twist was that Nettie may now live what she has been reading as entertainment. It is now her reality, being an orphan having to fend for herself like Oliver Twist. The book signifies the injustice and exploitation by Mister at a different level. Dragging this child out of her safe space with Celie to be on her own with nowhere to go - and she is still a child.
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Fact checking Heit… Yes, the original Nettie and John Singleton (RIP) were married and they have an adult daughter. Fun fact: The actress who played Nettie is a real life African Princess.
Hands down the original was better than the 2023 version. The whole 1985 version had knots in my throat because it was a drama, but because the 2023 version was a music, I think that it took away from the dramatic vibe and made it more uplifting and jovial through song and dance. I didn’t like that about the new version, but that’s just me… or is it?🤷🏾♀️
Thanks so much for the fact check!
Remember this 1865 was 45 years ago and women especially black were at disadvantage we had nothing but try to education damn.
Thee 2023 version is more direct.. which is considered flawed when it comes to film. Film Is 'Show more than Tell' & reading between the lines of what's not said & shown.. which is deflee why the 1985 one is a Better Film, specifically from the Directors point.. & i certainly don't like Haileys delivery of 'Nothing But Death Could Keep Me From It' 😂😭
Netty is reading and education will not only help her get out her situation but we are inspired by the stories we read in books. Oliver Twist book dropping to the ground was a poetic way of foreshadowing the road that both sisters would have to overcome. Being orphaned in a cruel world that they can hopefully rise above. Oliver Twist is relatable to Netty and hopefully that story fuels her fight. To be honest, I read Carole Kings book, and I saw the 1985 movie which did a great job with the seriousness of the subject matter. A musical just didn’t make sense to me and I could be wrong but it doesn’t interest me. There was no reason to re do it in my opinion.
In my opinion the 1985 version built the relationship between Celie and Nettie MUCH better. The idea of separation "forever "is important because subliminally, you know Nettie has nowhere to go but she can't stay there.
Nettie and Mister. In the book Nettie is mildly interested in Mister______. Hes distinguished, older, and rich. Thats why Mister asked Alphonso to marry her, they had been making eyes at each other.
One of the problems with Mister was that his wife wasn't long dead and she had been murdered by HER lover coming home from church.
Also of note Mister loves dark skin women with long hair. Celie had the skin but not the hair. Nettie had both. And so did his furst wife and Shug.
Just realized that the little kid was hiding her face on the porch
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1985. 2023 version just didnt hit emotionally
The original version teaches a lesson that this new version isn't capable of teaching. It is not showing the truth and devastating things that occured and occur which is helpful in teaching right and wrong.
Oliver Twist. We tend not to think of Nettie and Celie as orphans. But, indeed they are. And the injustices of Charles Dickens to be overwrought and exaggerated. Dickensian means exaggerated suffering. But it's not exaggerated. Suffering like Oliver or Nicolas or Pip experienced are right next door. Or in our family trees.
#DisneyDiva ❤
Here again guys
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😆😆😆...Great impression.
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H. Bailey sounded like one of those settings on RUclips to speedy or slow while watching videos. 😆
Rosewood is so detailed and scary but good movie and actors. Especially Don.
Don Cheadle was amazing in that!
Very hard movie to watch especially when it has the same actress who played Nettie as well.Whats with the beginning sex scene with her and Jon Voight.
Poetical - 1985 was better
I feel like H. Bailey was being Ariel again in terms of being childlike with the dancing and looking like she's having fun and it's a little odd.
Mister and Nettie flirted in church in the original not like the 2023 convo but they did for a quick second
I guess she didn't know no better..
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The 2023 version sticks more to the book
I am not defending Mister actions or anything was in 1904?. There was NO really teenagers ages or any thing you go to child to either manhood or woman. In some countries still it when you get menstruation that when turn into woman. May God have mercy on all of us 🙏 for the past. A 12 years old was woman and man Oh God!
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Great Review!!
Every time yall talked the lyrics im like yep yep mhm makedada 🙌🏿
But I thought she was saying nothing from death can keep me from her not it hmm learn something new everyday
I still don’t like Danny Glover because of this movie. Lol
Fantasis needs to be in the pictures tho.
and BTW can yall do a breakdown of the " God is trying to tell ya something " church scene . I have a plot twist to that Scene that will blow y'all minds. I wish we could do a live steam and watch it together.. and the slap scene by the mayor . Sofia's fall from grace
It's so hard to do anything live with the movies streaming, but maybe we can try to do something on discord.
Yes she was married to him.
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She kept the hat
Thanks because I couldn't remember.
Too much " thrown together " .
What an evil movie!
POETICAL!!! This movie was not!😂😂psych, JK!! I liked it for the musical it is but won’t watch it again. In my opinion they tried so hard to not duplicate the original they ended up taking out the heart of the story…
1. You show is ugly
2. Fixin to give Mista a shave
3. Nothing but death can keep me from it
4. God is tryna tell you something, night now right now right now
5. I may be black, I maybe ugly BUT I’M HERE……
The only part they did get right was Sophia and I’m sure Harpo, OOPS Oprah made sure of that!!!!
Old better and nothing more to say ❤. Howeve will I watch it again certainly not lol..😢😢😮
She was marry to him from what I heard.
The HAND GAME IS (MISS MARY MACK) IN THE ORIGINAL COLOR PURPLE. I PREFER THE ORIGINAL COLOR PURPLE
Gen Z kids cringe at the 85 version.
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It's The 1985 will always be the best number One movie 🎥
I don't like the new version at all 🤬
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I appreciate the comparison but it is very hard to watch your videos because of the repetitiveness of the scenes. 43 minutes of the same scene over and over kills the joy and the initial interest.
I'm sorry you feel this way. Would you rather look at a blank screen? This is the best we can do given the volume of content that we produce. Our words matter more than the visuals, so we focus on the words...
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Hey Queen!
"Poetical"
Patty cake
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This movie was a horror movie for black men
Please tell me... What are the elements of a horror film?
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The hand games would be considered "Pat - A - Cake"', or "Patty - Cake" hand clapping games that little black girls play.. Google "Pat - A - Cake" it will tell you the etymology and origins of the song and hand clapping games..
So you're saying that the Black community officially calls these games by the name of a single song? That's really what Heit was asking.
For instance, we used to play a hand game called Slide and we used to say, "Let's play Slide." So we called the game by the name of the song we sang. But we are looking for the name of this category of games...
@@HeitCheri i used to play slide, Ms. Mary Mat, and a few others, and yes they are all pat - a -cake / patty cake hand games because you're patting your hands together. Who's stopping to remember the name of every hand clapping game when they all are clearly based on patting hands??
Children that play those games remember the names of specific games in order to play with their friends. Adults that no longer play them call them pat - a - cake / patty - cake because that's the category of game they are.. We call Clue, and monopoly board games, and we call games played on a Nintendo or X Box video games, because that's tne specific category of games they are. Adults that no longer play those games aren't going to specifically name the individual game being played, they will most likely just name the category of games they see children playing..
Also patty cake isn't usually played by older children once they learn to play "hand clapping / patting" games. Mothers usually play patty cake with their babies during the late infancy, early toddler stage, so it's usually the first game of that type kids learn to play. When you played "Slide , or "A Sailor Went To Sea" with your friends, was "Patty Cake" ever one of the songs you sang when playing with friends your same age?? If patty cake was one of your go to games plz excuse my ignorance.
It's my understanding that "Patty Cake" is a game that most people would understand the premise of, so if you say the girls are playing a "Patty Cake" game most people will immediately understanding what kind of game is being played. If you were to say the girls are playing "Slide", if the person you're talking to isn't familiar with the game "Slide" they wouldn't necessarily know what you're talking about. . "Patty Cake" is the "Kleenex" or the "Crock Pot" of the hand clapping / patting games..
People that have never played "Slide" wouldn't know that it's more about counting hand claps and not making a mistake in the game than it is sliding. The game got it's name from the first action of sliding your hands with the person you're playing the game with. To my mind it only makes sense that the first game of that type that kids learn to play would be used to categorize that entire genre of games. I hope that made sense.
There are many hand clapping games that I've never heard of and wouldn't know by name specifically, but if you were to tell me it's a "Patty Cake" game I would know exactly what you meant. People that never saw the 1st Color Purple movie wouldn't know that "Maki DaDa" was a patty cake game at all. I had never heard the name of that one until I saw Celie and Nettie playing it in the movie. I'm not trying to be a know it all, I'm just trying to get the point across as logically and descriptive as I possibly can.. So "Patty Cake" would be the generic descriptor for all games of the like.. All bandages aren't band aids, but all band aids are bandages.
As a kid my miscommunication and understanding of The color purple was Mr just wanted a wife. It wasn't that he wanted a wife he wanted what his father presented to him as someone who would take care of him no matter what he does he want to complete control over her. I really don't comprehend a logic but when I was with my first baby daddy he treated me the same way and at the end of the day he was still messing around with multiple women and I wasn't what he wanted I was just trophy enough for him I think this will be made me realize it's not about looks it's really about personality and Seeley was beautiful in every way shape or form she just had a piece of s*** husband
I wish she would have went with her sister
Me too!!!
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