Majin Obama Talks Presentation in Fighting Games
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- Опубликовано: 16 окт 2024
- Obama talks about how some fighting games present themselves, both new and old.
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This is the content I wish we had more of. Good stuff
Amen
instablaster...
Fun Fact: The guy who voice acted Vanilla Ice (SHŌ HAYAMI) in HFTF (the 1998 JoJo game) actually came back 17 years later to voice act Ice again in the Stardust Crusaders 2015 anime. He also voiced Pucci in All-Star Battle too.
It’s fact that if a fighting game does not have cool characters, it won’t blow up. If not, we would all be playing competitive chess all day.
But Mortal Kombat?
ShiningT1g3R Mortal Kombat has TONS of cool characters.
Hey man, Hook is a pretty cool character. And Queen's journey to greatness from its start as Pawn is a pretty touching story.
ShiningT1g3R MK had very stereotypical but popular archetypes that were popular in the 90’s and the appeal of the gore just took it from there, like ninjas, 4 armed dudes, monster with blades in their arms, evil fumachu sorcerer. That really comes across lately when they try to make new characters that are a lot of hot garbage, because nobody is really interested in a kind of design like, The Kollector
fast forward to today and you have a game like them's fighting herds at evo online..... no wonder the whole world is dying lol.
The reason why developer names in old games were aliases (ie Ballboy, Q, JJJJJJ, etc) is because companies were afraid of employee poaching.
For example: if you’re a developer that programmed this cool, new engine for Megaman 2, and another company knew your name, there was fear that they’d offer you money to also work for them for extra payment. This was before the whole “while you work for us, any code you write is our code” thing that you see today.
Early developers are noted for finding work arounds to get credit for their hard work without being fired- whether it be an alias or some cheat code that flashes your name for a second (Atari Donkey Kong).
Eventually, video game companies started to fix up their contracts with their employees so that they can get credit without fear of poaching.
This is why I love Pokken Tournament. Say what you want about the gameplay itself, but you can feel how much the Tekken development team loved Pokemon, and the effort they put into making everything feel like a "real Pokemon battle".
Nah, Pokkén is one of the best if not the best arena fighter
Capcom VS SNK.
The first one.
That game does things with sprites that I straight up haven't seen in another sprite based fighting game. The fucking shadows on the buildings on the Final Fight stage that scroll faster than the characters because of the perspective and the angle of the light is something else.
They were way more creative in cvs1 than cvs2. The sequel simply developed other aspects much more for it to become a superior game overall.
Well, not different from how early Marvel games had better stages and presentation and even better sprite resolution quality than Mvc2...
9:27 The producer of Rival Schools is the same producer of Devil May Cry 5.
Ono did the last Onimusha game (Shin Onimusha/Onimusha Dawn of Dreams) and well we all know who he is
Neo G worked in as the main fighting director of the VS series and he is now in SNK working on the current Samurai Shodown game.
Shinkiro and Bengus who are the artists that you are praising for the art style of these games still work for a lot of different companies.
The talent still there but is no longer together and the high executives from Capcom are the ones that decide what games they are going to make.
We can only hope that every single future Capcom game will have the same quality or at least near the quality of Monster Hunter World Iceborne, Resident Evil 2 Remake and Devil May Cry 5
Even though I definitely agree with Majin that All Star Battle is a wack ass fighting game, I still think it’s presentation is really good
Namco bandai holds the rights to JoJo, right? And they had arcsys do DBFZ. What's stopping them from getting arcsys to make a proper JoJo fighting game?
They're making a One punch man game I think
Nah that's chunsoft
A lot of things go into it: DBZ is a guaranteed source of money, as was/is Naruto, judging what's popular in Japan is difficult because it changes like night and day. Bamco tested the waters with My Hero One's Justice last year and and Arcsys just released Kill La Kill, one series is currently very popular but the other was an anime from five years ago (they should have been actual fighting games instead of arena battle types). Could JoJo really be a guaranteed money-maker the likes of DBZ or Naruto?
@@ShiningT1g3R yes
ShiningT1g3R if it’s a 2.5d competitive fighting game similar and or in the style of guilty gear/ dbfz then definitely yes
fun fact - in an HnK match, i believe the default timer is set to 77 seconds instead of the usual 60 or 99. Why? because there are 7 stars that form the big dipper formation, which Kenshiro has as a scar on his chest.
Hearing someone gush about the art of MSH, Jojo and the HNK game filled my heart with joy. That ad at 14:40 just made things all the much better.
It killed the boner 😂.
14:38 the unblockable
This is sick, thanks
fist of the north star 😥
still praying for a sequel, whenever that happens from arc system 😫
Did you know Eighting/Raizing who worked on UMVC3 more or less godfathered bullet hells with Battle Garegga? Even crazier is when that old Raizing team split and joined CAVE, they worked on their 1st hori-scroller bullet hell published none other than Capcom.
Talent always finds a way. I'm still rooting for M2 to get out that sequel to Ikaruga.
I gotta say that majin obama is a gem in the FGC and as a person.This video showed me how some of the older fighting games literally did things I crave for in FGs now. That passion in referencing source material and presentation is something I appreciate a lot and sometimes feel like it’s missing in today’s FGs. Seeing an old school player talk about it the way Obama does is amazing and I appreciate everything this video was about. Ty.
Hokuto No Ken is a pretty dope anime, And a part of me wants to track down a copy of the game IMMEDIATELY. Thank you lord GTObama.
Majin I can't thank you enough you're the BEST
Great video, presentation is so important. The new Guilty Gear has me sold just from the EVO trailer alone and how good it looked. If Capcom is developing a new fighter, I hope they take these notes into consideration moving forward.
Everything in the mid 95s to early 2000s had the most heart and passion put into it.
I think MvCI was doomed from the start due to Disney's overbearing involvement and Capcom's strong desire to have X-Men in the game. Soon as Disney told them "No X-Men" Capcom just stopped caring.
This is the truth! This is my belief. At least for now...
The no X-Men thing could have easily been solved and on both sides of Marvel and Capcom, the roster was wack.
@@DragonoftheDarknessFlame um no
Tell me how would have it been solved 🙄
@@The_WIll_OF_D99 Uh yes use your damn brain. You can't replace the X-Men but there are plenty of other Marvel characters to include
Black Bolt, Moon Knight, Punisher, Bullseye, Mysterio, Annihilus, Malekith the Accuser, Enchantress, Mephisto, Magus/Adam Warlock, Kang the Conquer, Dr.Ock, Green Goblin, Gorr the GodButcher, StarLord, Blade, Antman, Carnage, Darkhawk hell every MVC game needs a troll character throw Squirrel Girl and Howard the Duck in. Capcom side has no excuse they own all their IP the effort in MVCI was nonexistent
@@DragonoftheDarknessFlame Most those characters you mentioned weren't planned to be in Marvel movies at the time, though, and that's all Disney cared about when it came to this game - they were just using it as a vehicle to promote their movies.
Of all the characters they could have used to replace Wolverine as the cover character - Iron Man, Captain America, Spiderman, maybe even something off the wall like Gwenpool or Squirrel Girl - yet Captain Marvel was chosen. You can't tell me that wasn't due to Disney's marketing department.
And yes, Capcom's side sucks just as bad as Disney's, and yes, Capcom could have made it a great game without the X-Men, but that's my point; because they couldn't get the X-Men, they chose to phone the game in.
And why wouldn't they? "No X-Men" was the number one complaint from fans of the original game and it remains the biggest complaint to this day. They knew this game wasn't going to play to older players without them so, again, why bother?
With MVC3 when they put dr strange in Marvel worked closely with Capcom just so he would be accurate with hand signs and everything.
I agree. We need to build a timeline for staff of the greatest fighting games.
I was unaware of a lot of this before watching, great video
Also, Vanilla Ice's VA from Heritage for the Future actually reprises his role *IN THE ANIME.*
Smash bros is well known for doing this kind of stuff where at the very least a lot of non-attack animations are taken straight from the source material.
Not the same thing tho
@@junitosama9267 literally is, smash presentation is top tier
Absolutely incredible video. The passion you have for the genre is clear, well done mate.
While ASB gameplay was pretty wack, I wouldnt disregard its presentation or how much love was put into that game. Pallete swaps and costumes that come from the alternate covers of the manga series, moves and poses that are ripped straight from the pages themselves, music that at times, make reference to the other songs (i.e. Kira's theme has a segment that sounds a lot like "Killer Queen", Esidisi's theme has a bit of "Back in Black" in it) and even specific gameplay mechanics have things related to the general story, like how vampires take gray damage from ripples and everyone from part 7 has stuff related to picking up corpse pieces. They even let a glitch related to taunting in the game because that shit was way too fitting for the game.
But yea. Gameplay was wack.
Idk why ASB gets so much flak. First of all, it's really unfair to compare it to games like Naruto Ultimate Ninja Storm and other games with one attack button. Why would you say the gameplay is wack? It is pretty deep, mixes 3D with 2D in a really interesting way and had tight execution from what I can remember. The only reason I haven't bought a PS3 to play it is the stupid 30fps thing.
@@thebirthdayskeleton2927 I love ASB. Way more than I should. I think the issue comes with how the game handles certain things that are common in other games. Stylish dodge can be OS'd, making normal throws hard to utilize, jump arcs can be ducked under by loads of characters, making them whiff, and neutral is kinda bare-bones, with poking via normals being close to non-existince afaik.
Presentation definitly surpasses anything Naruto game, tho.
@@Bigboss1115 I mean, I guess you can call it a wack fighter, but the comparison with 3D shitty licensed anime games like Jump Force and Naruto Ultimate Ninja STILL feels unfair. Have you guys even played those? They're terribly bland with one button combos, barely any tech or skill involved.
With ASB at least there was depth to the game.
@@thebirthdayskeleton2927 Oh for sure. Those games were ass across the board.
Honestly if it ran at a higher framerate, I could see it having a competitive community
At first I thought Obama was talking crazy bout the real Jojo’s fighter cause I missed the title he was talking about originally lol
Finally, someone with great taste im Heritage for the Future!
This has got to be my favorite video from anyone in a really long time. Good shit.
Definitely some sick examples in the video. Love the basketball combos.
Good Fighting games based on anime are so cool to see
I can't wait to see another big one some day. The excitement around games like that are amazing.
thanks for the video. this was spot on. especially about that jojo game. seeing this video is such a breath of fresh air. It feels good to see others who are fans of this type of imo art, and who notice all the intricacies within the references, animation, designs, sounds, that fire music etc. and to hear it broken down. this encapsulates what I've been holding in for years. it was nearly impossible to find people who shared this level of appreciation for this genre of gaming/animation prior to the internet let alone be able to have an in depth discussion on the technical aspects/history of how they're designed, and where the art styles come from. like how araki influenced some fighting game aesthetics even down to the wild color pallets and poses.
that jojo game is so intense and true to the source material. theres so much you can do in that game. my "arcade rival" and I hold this in the same regard as mvc2. at one point we quit playing that to play jojo.
that jojo game imo was light years ahead of its time and was so overlooked. even now its still one of the best fighting games.
I immeadiately thought of Rose when I saw Lisa Lisa, and never realized that she was inspired Lisa Lisa! Such an obvious inspiration.
Loved this video. Good lessons + a walk down memory lane.
The reason developers had aliases was apparently mostly because companies were very worried about losing their most talented employees to other companies. It was basically mandated to dissuade headhunting.
this is a great video blog but my favorite part is somehow still the Japanese language male pattern baldness ad that appears during a Hokuto no Ken tournament
I'll be real: The main appeal of ASB and EoH for me is the ability to play characters from later Parts. I'm sure it won't happen anytime in the foreseeable future, but if they made a game in the style of (or building off of) Heritage for the Future that represented the larger JoJo... well, multiverse, at this point... I'd be all over that shit, and I really doubt I'm the only one. 'Til then, ASB and EoH are essentially nice pieces of JoJo merch to have.
I love how much content y’all been pumping out lately. This is another great video from an awesome two weeks and I’m seriously itching to buy AnimeIlluminati merch. Thank you and please keep it up!
My guy, your efforts, interest, and research are appreciated. That said, as much as these games draw people in with eye candy, I can never truly respect them on the same level as I do a fighting game made from the ground up. If they wanted to make a One Piece / Naruto game that weren't arena based choc full of references or special attacks, it would be a cinch. That said, there are certain moves that can never truly happen like Ginyu's body transfer attack. He's had it since the Mega Drive / Sega Genesis days, he's had it in Ultimate Battle 22/27 on PS1, and he now has it in DBFZ. No other game will have that ability so it is entirely unique.
Games like Marvel Super Heroes I enjoy don't get me wrong. It was a brand new creation and reference and reverence shown towards the source material and in a lot of ways depends on what's given to the characters to fight with. Sabretooth's partner Birdie shooting her gun? That was new. Visual presentation is definitely key but like I said, I personally respect originality far more but that costs money.
This is just a little tangent but I suspect games will be needing more meters, more status effects to freshen up the genre like it's going now. It use to be really primitive space control. Shoto fireball and dragon punch control particular space. Then they introduced air fireballs going downwards, then upwards, or then stationary etc. Same goes for anatomy and movements. How many times have you seen a normal that resembled a move from some other character from another game? It's all rather weird and amazing how creative fighting game devs need to be to make a game LOOK new. SFV has been fun and I enjoy it but my biggest pet peeve is standing roundhouse. Falke, Menat?, Cody, and a lot of characters have the same damn kick. Anywho, good stuff man.
deng cant believe you didnt talk about the gundam fighting game
While I agree with some stuff,
Arcsys redefined and pioneered 3d to 2d
I went to animation school, and all.of my profs showed us GG xrd and DBZ fighters as a perfect example on how to make 3d look 2d
Most of them were not even gamers
And they collectively nutt at these animations
Hell yes! Thanks for this video, I love this for of content from you. I can hear the passion in your voice and see the joy written on your face during the JoJo section
Way back when jstars victory versus I was hyped. Sadly it really didn't turn out good at all. Even jump force just made me wanna jump off high places. Dragon Ball fighterZ did what I wanted for jumpforce / jstarsvv. It really made me wish that arcsysworks got to work on a shonen jump cross over 2d fighter.
Although J-stars wasn't amazing, I still think it's at least a decent game you can play casually. Doesn't even compare to DBFZ though.
not gonna lie I had more fun playing Dengeki Fighting Climax than Jump Force
@@chiiiiie5608 that game needs more love and attention >..
The story mode for the ps1 version was really cool.
And the game is rare as fuck now thank god I still have mine.
I think he overlooked the most important fact about DB FIghterz' presentation: that it's fully 3D, yet it still looks like it's straight from the anime or the manga. That is something that I believe only Arc System Works has achieved.
You be talking mad shit and bustin' Caps but when you talk the real shit, it's full of Wisdom man. Thank you for what you do.
We just gonna ignore Juda getting absolutely murdered at 16:39
You wanna know how to do an infinite?
The background art of fist of the north star fighting game looks really good.
Heritage to the future wasn't on the PlayStation, only the original JoJo fighter was. Httf was on Dreamcast and had a North American release.
I feel like HFTF was the last good JoJo game we got, and I wish that arcsys made a JoJo game like HFTF or Fighterz
While a game like FighterZ would be good I'd prefer if their approach was more like HFTF. FighterZ is a little bit too faithful at times. While in Heritage you see characters doing unique poses that are still in line with their character, in FighterZ they are always referencing a panel from the manga. The same could be said of their abilities and how they're used. Heritage takes more liberties to make the game both cooler and more fun, while in FighterZ it's much more limited.
GOAT majin obama with the GOAT vids
Never really played the Capcom Marvel games, but I absolutely adore the sprites and art for Spder-Man in their games. It's probably one of my favorite Spider-Man designs.
I'm trying to follow these guidelines as well. Interesting perspective.
nice seeing ya here
big fan
oh and ill agree the level of presentation of the old jojo game it's superb, but it is also on ASB they put a lot of love into that game and not for nothing it got perfect score in games at japan (something that it's unheard of)
I know ASB was not deep as a fightan, but honestly, I had a lot of fun with it with friends, felt like you could build up a solid one from there with a sequel, also, it absolutely had a shitload of love for the series even before the animation became this popular, you had characters strike poses and wear costumes from a specific page in the manga, it had the lines, references and the OST was pretty good, not to mention they had the audacity to let you use your own music during battle so that you could pop in the actual songs the stands or characters are named after. I really think that game and HFTF had a lot of love for the series and had a very good presentation too, now, I am not a fan of EoH, don't really like 3D fighters like that. (I also feel that somehow it looks visually worse than ASB).
It felt like getting close to become the senpai of Dbfz, in the sense of being a very passionate project with tons of respect to the source material, very well made visually, and with solid gameplay in the same level of average tournament fg's (Sf, GG, Tk etc). The company had the duty of making a polished sequel, but it seemed they gave up that troublesome detailed fine tuning work.
Great insight info! Looking at fighting games from another perspective. Thanks
8:46 that was because during those days game companies were head hunting people to snatch them up for their own. I think it was the companies telling the employees to use tag names.
Captain America's Final Justice was created by Capcom after all.
this guy tricked me into watching a video about jojo
They had this JoJo game and Fist of the North Star at Blockbuster video.
Majin O. Got it wrong with JoJo ASB. To say the gameplay was wack itself is fine (Personally I liked it) but it's about as Faithful to the manga if not more than Capcom's JoJo game.
hftf is so fun
Great video! I wonder what the next media property based fighting game will be? Granblue kind of fits the role since it’s a non fighting game property that’s getting a fully fleshed our fighting game
Delicious content, sir!
Fist of the north star from ASW was straight 🔥. Needs so much love. I really wish it gets released on consoles here
Oh yes, it was a ps2 release... SMH
Wolverine was literally shooting crazy ass metal scraping beams out of his claws IN THE INTRO OF X-MEN THE CARTOON. So I could see why they would have that effect in. Though I don't think it was meant to be a type of laser, he has had animated effects of that nature....adamantium probably has weird properties, considering it isn't real.
Just gotta say wasn't hating with this comment, great vid.
As someone who used to collect Spiderman comics, I recognized that the development team ripped actual Mark Bagley art from the comics and used them as key frames on many of Spidey's attack animations, movement, neutral stance, and even win poses. Everything about Spidey's design aesthetics were based from Mark Bagley's run on the Spiderman comics. Just how these manga/game comparisons are made here with Gohan, the exact same was done with Spidey in the Capcom Marvel games. Wish I had the actual comic panels to show off but I guarantee you it was the case.
HFTF is great and more people should try it out imo
This vid's awesome! Passion's sick!
the last game he is talking about is called Fist of the North Star in the west, just throwing it out there to make it easier for people to find
Great video bro. Keep it up 😁👍🏽
14:38 lol 😅
Godlike content.
I want an arcsys jojo’s fighting game so bad...
If you want to view the full credits of games with people's real name, you should check out www.mobygames.com/game/arcade/jojos-bizarre-adventure/credits. And if you want to know some info on who did what you should check out this Japanese site w.atwiki.jp/game_staff/pages/666.html. They get their info from jp twitter from people who worked on the series. If they specify what the person did they will use a diamond (◆) with the name of the character they worked on. The tweets are at bottom.
BasedMajinObama!
We really need an IMDB equivalent for gaming developers
A lot of the points you bring up are great but just a quick side note, street fighter was influenced by jojo not the other way around. But I bet there was some prior mingling of ideas and concepts for character design.
Consider me whack because I like All-Star Battle than the Capcom JoJo game. :P ASB is what I consider a "fan-service fighting game" as in a fighting game that focuses more on the source material, and characters over trying to be a more traditional competitive fighting game.
Awesome Vid obama
Dope video bro
Is this the original upload. I swear I’m getting uncanny valley affects because I swear I saw this on Obama’s channel. Then again might have just been there in the stream
Great video
Best example is every Jojo fighting game, even the creator says this is a JoJo game first and a fighting game second
Benistinkbomb... err benimaru was even called Polnareff in testing i think lol
this video is great.
I'd like very much to know where these capcom masters are today, as a pixel artist myself
we need a new jojo fighting game, a 3v3 would be beautiful
Maybe that would be ovewhelming if we count the stands as well, and since they are the main deal in the series, it could easily end up being 6v6 lol
Nah it should be 1v1 or 2v2
whts the first song clled plz
Wait a second, why is this on Anime Illuminati' channel??1
This was pretty great. I'd love to see you try to commentate for some of the JoJo's community tourneys they have.
Good shit
HFTF, lets gooooo
Yo ASB and the storm series might not have great gameplay but the presentation IS DEFINITELY still there. Especially with ASB wtf? And the storm series has good online features a lot of fighting games should have and good single player content.
Old video but even look at Melty Blood. it almost feels like Tsukihime cannon and that was for Doujin-cirlce
It is cannon to the series
Seeing how well FighterZ and Smash Ultimate performed (even if Im not a huge fan of either) I feel its better for developers to focus on presentation over accessibility but the latter can still exist but Id preffer if they didnt push it as much as most new games.
@Kayden McCallum I mean I still mainly see people even months later who dont stick around for fighters talk first about how amazing the game looks and sometimes albeit rarely how accessible the gameplay is, its very rare for most people to talk in depth about gameplay or the changes. Theres already a genre that drives the majority of sales doing both especially accessibility being arena fighters typically anime games, its presentation on adapting the iconic moves/scenes and usually having not as engaging gameplay but it still sells regardless of quality outside the presentation. Those 2 are pretty solid indicators that presentation at least gets half of the job done for more sales if not more.
@Kayden McCallum I never said that, I said what sells the initial impression. Refined mechanics and nuanced character balance keep people around but it wont make a game necessarily sell.
@Kayden McCallum Its really down to what will motivate fighting games to sell cause devs dont want to develop at a loss. Im not of the opinion that this is how it should be more that, that is why some games sell well. I just wish devs werent so focused on only accessibility being the main factor on why they sell all Im saying Id hope theyd focus more on presentation if they want to maximize sales cause Id preffer games to be a tad more difficult than some modern ones.
Yeah in order to play Young Joseph you gotta put it in dev mode or something right?
@@popo237 You gotta enter a cheat code to play as 6 of the characters (young joseph, hol horse and boingo, new kakyoin, rubber soul, khan and shadow dio)
In fightcade it's already enabled though
Completely agree that presentation has a huge impact on a game, especially from new IPs. Meeting (or exceeding) people's expectations about a game's look or (in case of famous IPs) which characters are present in the game will make or break the deal for a huge number of potential customers way before they get their hands on the game and learn more about its mechanics or sick stuff they can do.
That's why, alongside the bad PR, MvC Infinite did so poorly. Game looked whack, the substitution of MCU characters to beloved mainstays was insulting and the story mode was cringy with characters repeating their names every 3 seconds like:
"Yeah, Sir Arthur. I Thor, will deal with Ultron while you, Sir Arthur, go with Spencer to do stuff."
Namco X Capcom handled a story mode with even more characters from different IPs much much better.
Did JPN game devs use aliases so rival companies couldnt lure them(?) Also, HNK/Jojos shaped FGs so much. fightingstreet.com/folders/variousinfofolder/ripofffolder/ripoffpage2.html
Disappointing that it took DBFZ for people to realize most anime fighting games even the worst ones were drawing from the source material. They don't just put their hand in a hat and make up moves. Even visually for Dragon Ball, there was always stuff like Burst Limit that still look good today. Also the shade at ASB is odd
That's exactly what I'm saying tbh. Burst limit did exact same thing