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@@talon6097 He's literally sh*tting on one and only one ump pretty much the entire video some guy named angel hernandes. You really think that's on accident?
We need to start implementing umpire perfect game alerts into broadcasts. Imagine the hype when the first one is finally performed. ... well, I'd be hyped at least.
Hes kindof a genius. Only a few jobs in the world you can have where if you fuck up you ruin thousands of people's day, and still have a job the next day. Meteorologist, sports official.
And HES DONE IT. Pat Hoberg called a perfect game...in the World Series no less. Truly a demon back there. His accuracy rates have gotten better over time, I give him leeway as he was starting out and that accounts for the lower average. It seems he's also over 98% nowadays though. Dudes just extremely good at his job, in a job that's not only quite difficult but one in which a lot of his fellows are shit.
Umpires being too shy to make impactful calls is hilarious considering their chosen line of work. All officials get too much hate and not enough credit no matter the sport though. Great video, I have a weird urge to go form a union now.
As an umpire, the most nerve racking situation for me is trying to make calls with a full count in a high leverage situation. Even if it's just a 12u tournament game, I don't want to feel responsible for one team losing
It's a real thing. The number of penalties called in NHL games in the regular season and the number of penalties called during the playoffs is massively disparate, and that's not because there aren't penalties to call. It's long been an axiom in hockey culture that in the third period of an elimination game in the playoffs, you practically have to decapitate someone to get called for a penalty. Now granted, in the vast majority of cases, taking a man off the ice for 2-5 minutes impacts a game of hockey more than one called ball or strike affects a game of baseball, but the principle is the same.
Same for Football (you call it Soccer). There was Collina, he stood in front of the best and richest players and stared them down. He was always right and then they rarely argued with him. Now the Referees are scared... No good Referee in years :(
Foolish Baseball makes the modern game more understandable, enjoyable, and thoughtful. This guy is a master at content creation. We are truly lucky to have him.
I have to be honest, that one "miss" by Hoberg is an entirely forgiveable call. It's close enough where nobody's really going to complain, especially given the circumstances (first pitch)
I really appreciate your explanation of the strike zone. I often feel it's 3D-ness is forgotten. I think it's good to think of it like a "cloud". Clearly people on the field have a whole different feeling of what a strike zone is.
think jomboy gave him some cred a year or two ago. it was some ump, pretty sure it was hoberg. it was the first time i ever saw the umpire scorecard twitter
Jomboy did a video on John Libka, he’s one of the fairest, most consistent and accurate umpires out there. MLB really need to put him in charge of some more important games.
13:03 - so glad you mentioned that Pitch Framing 'has always been a thing' - some media outlets make it seem like it was something that arrived with the internet. I have a book from 1986 called 'How To Watch Baseball' where players explain the 'inside baseball' things that fans should watch for. In the chapter on Catchers, Lance Parrish of the Tigers and Jody Davis of the Cubs explain how to make balls look like strikes by framing - and they were taught how to do it by guys that were taught how to do it 30 years before.
It is great that with the rise of ump scorecards, we actually have the ability to measure umps' abilities objectively and respect the good ones, while criticizing the routinely bad.
@@FoolishBaseball Agreed. Especially since great umps have never gotten the respect they deserve, despite how hard their job is. It's the only position on the field where not noticing them is the sign of a good game.
It is good to see that better pitch tracking tools have actually led to umpires improving. Having a more direct incentive such as demotions/firings for consistently bad performance would accelerate the trend, but at least there's some measure of progress.
@@mitch5944 That is the most surprising thing, although his consistency is in the bottom 10. I think Umpire Scorecards needs to develop a metric that presents a singular number for us to digest how bad (or good) the umps are.
I can’t even blame umps for no wanting to make game-changing calls… If watching Jomboy has taught me anything it’s that managers and players aren’t exactly the symbol of patience
One of the funniest things in baseball is when a player or manager gets ejected for a call the umpire totally got right. Baseball Bits legend Richard Bleier had one a while ago.
It's not a game changing call if it's correct. Then it's just a game call. Making the wrong call to avoid "changing" the game literally changes the game.
It’s of course a real thing to be judged on your “game management” as an umpire as well. One thing to know the rules it’s another to properly apply the rules and accurately explain to a (mad) manager
I can't describe the flash of excitement I got when I realized this was a Foolish video and not Jomboy. FB getting in on the umpire action is top tier content
I think most people can understand the difficulty umps face in calling ball/strikes accurately. The problems start when umps bait players into arguments so they can eject them (like the ump "checking" Bumgarner's hand). It's those weird power trips that really mitigate their credibility as a whole and in turn put a lot pressure back on them to get the calls right. The good umps know how to manage a game by keeping everyone's egos in check.
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I'd like to give a shoutout to Jim Joyce. He was one of the best umpires in the game, and it sucks his blown call in costing Armando Galarraga a perfect game will unfairly define him for the the rest of his life.
How is it unfair? He cost Galarraga the 21st perfect game in MLB history. You make a colossal blunder and it should define you just as much as a great play does.
He should’ve called him out then 🤷🏽♂️ he knows what he did, he wanted to spoil it, and apologized just to try and save face when he found out the world hated him.
I get your joke, and I like it. But he actually really is a shitty person though. Tried pulling the race card on the MLB because he's been denied the World Series since like 2005 and still isn't a crew chief, claiming it's racial discrimination not just that he fucking sucks at umpiring. Check out the Jomboy Breakdown of that Phillies v Brewers game where Schwarber yells at him. He goes into it on there.
After thorough analysis during the past 14 centuries I have come to the conclusion that Ángel Hernández is a very good umpire. Move over Taylor Ward, we have a new goat in town.
Anybody remember Don Denkinger? He actually wasn't that bad of an umpire, it's just that he happened to have whatever the opposite of a clutch factor is when it came to calling big moments. I'm not surprised that umpires are getting better overall, but I think we see more bad calls because we see more games and have more data available to us. I personally can't wait until Hernandez retires, though.
Thank you for talking about that Beck call. That was at the tail end of the Red Sox slump and it hurt a lot, and they faced a 4 runs added advantage for the Braves in the last two games of the series
Umpires have an extremely difficult job and there is so much hate in the media about the job they do, most of the time for good reason. I’m so excited there’s a positive video out there about them and the fact that he uses particular names is awesome
@@Ironcabbit that very well could be because they have the easiest job of any official in sports(outside of maybe tennis who at least get to sit) stand in place and keep your eye on the ball isnt very hard
To answer the "what gives?" question at the beginning. I think it's just because Angel Hernandez has become the fans' preferred pinata of bad umpiring. Every time he has a bad game, fans take notice, whereas they don't with other umps. It's a reputation/sampling bias thing.
It doesn’t help that he’s also a total prick. CB Bucknor is also a terrible umpire, but he gets less flak for it because he’s a nice guy. When he blows a call, he lets guys scream at him for way longer than just about any other ump.
@@badboybrianwwu not only that but the league actually mandates that he gets behind the plate games instead of just sticking him out as a field ump despite knowing how awful he is at calling strikes and balls
Absolutely fantastic video, I’ve always wanted robo umps but never really considered the fact that younger umps are significantly better than guys who have done it for multiple decades. Also around the 12:18 mark I got this weird sensation to unionize my work place even though it’s already unionized… hmmmm strange.
Speaking of baseball video games, now I want to see a baseball video game (maybe a VR game) where you play as the ump (with the correct camera angle behind the catcher), aspiring for that very first ump perfect game. That could be interesting.
I think my favorite strike zone quirk is that it actually can vary based on how the batter is standing. In a runaway game where position players start pitching, sometimes the batters don't get into a proper stance and are stood fully upright. That raises the strike zone! And the pitcher can toss a pitch that would be way high on a normal batter but goes for a strike on the apathetic batter.
In that sense, the strike zone is really a 4-dimensional object, or a 3D-object fluctuating through time. Meaning that it can only be accurately understood and tracked by a higher-dimensional being.
I grew up on baseball in the late '90s and early 2000s. So, I know how wide and flat the zone used to be. I have watched a lot of games in the last 25 years, and generally speaking, I'm pretty impressed with how accurate most umps have gotten around the edge of the zone.
With the strike zone on my local broadcast, it does honestly blow my mind how great many of the umpires are at their job. Unfortunately, they are in a thankless position. As a former collegiate pitcher, the idea of robo umps is really bittersweet. I love watching good defensive catchers work, and it would be a shame for framing to no longer be necessary. I think a little bit of human error is what makes baseball special.
Framing is not part of baseball, it is for all intents and purposes, just lying to the ump. Happy to see it go, shouldn't reward whichever catchers are the best at bullshit. I mean they train little kids how to do this now, ridiculous.
@@anthonymorabito32 I like human element, I don’t like the lack of any backlash on umps in terms of reprimand though, and how massive of an impact they have on games. What they say goes, and you can’t argue or complain, whether you are right or not, or else you will get ejected, fined or suspended.
I like the idea of each batter getting one “ball/strike” challenge. They can appeal to the 1st or 3rd base umpire who can wear an ear piece and be in contact with someone getting the real time k zone results and can get an accurate call within seconds. Just like appealing if the batter swung or not.
This is probably the best solution for all parties involved, but i think to insure that the challenging is actually usable as something that helps keep balls and strikes accurate, they should let you keep the challenge if you get it right. To ensure that managers and players can actually afford to challenge the bad calls, and not be forced to hold them for late game full counts that may or may not come.
I respect and appreciate your reasoning, but this would make the already long game of baseball take a whole lot longer, which I think is a deal-breaker.
I was all for this for awhile, but I don’t think it’s implementable. Take Bailey’s Phil Couzy example: a wide but consistent zone is fine, but you can’t suddenly take that zone away in the highest leverage situations. In the ninth inning of a close game, where the pitchers on each side have been utilizing the outer half, it just doesn’t seem fair to arbitrarily take those extra inches away in a crucial count. 2-2 becomes 3-1 with the winning run on second, despite the fact that on any other pitch in the game the count would remain 2-2 (for example).
@@mattforbes221 I don’t like the idea of a wide/ consistent zone. I feel inside/ outside pitches are the only pitches that need no grey area. If it clips a part of the plate, it’s a strike. Black and white.
@@Jabbersac I don’t think it would take much time at all. Just like appealing to the first base umpire to see if a batter swung doesn’t add significant time to a ball game. We can see instantly if it was a ball or strike, no one would have to watch a replay or huddle up with other umps.
I was a Catcher and framing the pitch is what made me such a good catcher. On an outside pitch, catch the ball with your net and palm with an inside pitch. You don't move your glove at all and give the illusion of a good pitch
I was watching the game live when Kyle did that. I'm a Brewers fan, but at that point in the game, everyone watching was a Kyle fan. The ump was terrible all game for both teams, Kyle said what everyone was thinking.
Agreed. Im a brewers fan too bit hernandez was terrible all around against both teams. To be fair the last pitch to schwarber was too close to take at that point in the game. He should've swung in my unbiased opinion
I think the big thing for me is that most of the bad pitches he had called were strikes, versus Adrian Johnson's game where most of the bad pitches he called as balls. I think it says a lot when you're pissing off entire lineups with bad calls vs. just pitchers
See, I see it the other way. Giving the missed call advantage to the pitchers speeds along the game. And if one team’s pitchers still manage to give up all kinds of hits, it’s pretty compelling evidence that they just suck at their jobs and are probably on bad teams.
I wonder how a robo-ump would affect players as well. Such as pitchers who live off calls on the outside, or teams going for more offensive catchers because like you say, framing won't matter if there are robo-umps. Interesting.
I think the best would be something of a hybrid system, let the ump call balls and strikes but give him a wristband with the robo ump that he can quickly look to if he’s in doubt - instruct them to do this rarely. With this system you maintain the personal nature of a living strike zone and also allow umps to make less bad calls. A win-win for the old heads and the new heads
I actually really like human umps. Imperfect strike zone and impact of the catcher I think are fun parts of the game. But often they are too inaccurate, and I understand the gripe. The fact that umps are getting better gives me hope. Robo umps does sound inevitable. I just want some sort of randomness thrown in. Catcher impact sounds nearly impossible to implement. But something like a 3%-5% chance of the robot being wrong if the pitch is within a width of the ball for being in/out of the strike zone would I think be a good balance.
That sounds completely idiotic. If you want a more exciting game, then stop giving pitchers the advantage. Let hitters hit. Don't make the game more exciting by making the calls less fair. That's dumb and a bunch of BS.
As a person who played catcher in high school a lot of these misses are based on where the ump is set up. The ump usually sets up right behind the catcher meaning some balls are gonna be strikes. Also when you move a lot to catch a strike the ump is gonna think it’s a ball.
I’ve loved all of your Baseball Bits thus far, but this one is definitely in that Master tier. This one had that effect of your Baseball Commissioner video, which is to make me think outside of my preconceived notions. Keep up the great work!
I've always loved having human umps because I like that pitchers have to know what the umps zone looks like going into a game. I like that it adds another layer of depth. But my god, the unreal incompetence of some of these umps is starting to make me think it's not worth it. I just wish that they could get rid of these guys, this is one of the only sports were someone can have no idea what they are doing and still have complete job security.
That really is the thing. There is no reason why umpires should be able to stay for as long as they do. Most 50+ year old umpires just will not have the eye speed to be able to call games as accurately as the fans and players want. Then you have the more accurate umps, who might call a few borderline pitches the wrong way or just an inch on the outside, but at least that adds a real human feel to the game. Some "bad" calls are acceptable. Its the glaring ones that really get people mad.
Really, the issue extends to officiating across almost all sports. Part of it is that umpire/referee unions do protect the bad ones, but the sports leagues themselves also have an interest in always standing behind the officials. Almost every sports league will back their officials even on bad calls in the name of "protecting their authority", which is an understandable thing considering the officials are supposed to be the unquestioned arbiters of the game, but often gets taken too far. Plus, after the NFL replacement ref debacle of 2012, it's going to be a long time before any sports league dares to try and enforce stricter accountability standards on their officials again.
@@Wolfeson28 I’d say umpiring in baseball requires a more precise eye which is why it’s easier for an umpire to be bad. Other sports have some better referees and some worse, but for the most part there aren’t too many who are glaringly bad, because the precision isn’t as intense. Also, in other sports leagues you’d be able to challenge game-changing results like this one, while here there is no such challenge. So while yes, it can be an issue in every sport, I think baseball has it the worst
@@TheBestDRose That's a fair point. At the same time, though, I feel like umpires have some advantage over officials in other sports because most of the rules they have to use are more objective and precise. The definition of what constitutes a ball or strike, a fair or foul ball, a runner being safe or out, is very objective and clear (at least on paper). Baseball has very few of the much more subjective "judgement calls" found in other sports (football has pass interference, holding, late hits, etc.; basketball has block/charge, travelling, degree of contact on a shot, etc.). Aside from check swings, baseball doesn't deal with many vague subjective calls on a regular basis.
What many officials don’t seem to realize is equivalence equals fairness. If you screw up a called strike at the knees, you’ve by necessity just reset your strike zone. You HAVE to call that pitch the same way for the other team’s batters too.
I had the great pleasure of seeing the Red Sox-Yankee London series in 2019. Angel Hernandez was one of the umps. The amount of boos that followed his participation announcement at the start of the 1st game was incredible. Showed how many Americans were there (attendance was over 60,000). That same announcement at the beginning of the second game drew no response however.
I used to umpire. Maybe 10 years total. In all my time I’ve been in many arguments with coaches. Players etc. mainly parents in the crowd. I only ever threw one person out on a bad call argument. Just one. It’s not easy, you do your best
I'm still on the fence about robo umps, and this video actually skewed me away from them. If it is true that the younger umps are better, then we just need to suffer through this nonsense a little longer before the light at the end of the tunnel becomes reality.
Another great video! Thanks for bringing baseball knowledge to normal people. Recently got more into baseball and your videos help me understand much better and you’re hilarious 😂
As someone who did some umping for youth baseball for a bunch of years, not wanting to have an impact is definitely a thing. I'm not saying that I would intentionally change my call, but there would definitely be more stress on a close call if you know that calling one way will have a large impact on the game, and the other will not. On those 3-2 pitches, I was just secretly always hoping that the batter would swing and make my life a little easier. And yes, it is pretty tough to get the correct perspective on those outside pitches. A real pain in the ass. But just be as consistent as you can, and people would complain less.
Yep! I played independent ball and all that I ever wanted as a hitter was consistency. If an umpire gave me that, I would never complain. Like, if he's calling low strikes, and I get caught watching a low ball... That's on me. I still play hockey and always ask the same thing.
what if teams could challenge pitches?Something like 3 an inning per team. And they don’t stack up if they’re unused. (Or maybe they do haha that’s a whole new strat). But because we already have the technology to show the strike zone on live tv, a challenge can be near instantly resolved. That way we still have human umps, but also robo-umps who can come in during a clutch at bat.
Angel's actually improved since we started tracking data though, that's another point. Angel's now better than anybody was back when we started paying attention. None of em should be calling balls and strikes but I think the angel vilification goes too far, sorry CC.
Maybe I'm just old school (I'm not) but as a fan... I can live with the human error to a degree. It's not the occaisional missed call that gets me, it's the attitude, ego, and frankly unsportsmanlike conduct by the Old Guard Umps that sours me on the game. I would RATHER see the game play organically, rather than infalliably. And yes, even if that means the Sox lose game 7 of the series on a missed strike call. Because I can live with the extremely low odds of that happening in favor of the soul of the game leaving forever.
I watched the Phils Rocks game this year. He was incredible. First pitch he missed, didn’t miss a pitch the rest of the game. That is so cool you made a video on it. I think a video on Aaron Nola’s turnaround would be fantastic. By far my favorite starter in the game. Better fastball/sinker and curve command. Finally throwing more sinkers and trusting his D to field ‘dem grounders. Fly ball % down and added a cut fastball, a pitch that is barely noted at league average, but it along with his improved command made his pitch sequencing a bit less predictable. Change up has hurt him a bit this year, but mixing in that cutter to righties or lefties either early in the game and say, a 1-0 count to get them off the offspeed - or third time thru the lineup to a tough lefty, throw it up under the hands. Makes them lose focus on the front door sinker or masks another sight of his out pitch (chase curve). The way he sets hitters up is just really mind blowing. Half the time you can call the K as soon as you see who’s up. Really like what he’s done thus far, dude is seriously underrated. Nobody’s made more starts or eaten more innings than Nola in the last five years, if you’ll believe it..and he’s only 29 I believe. Really promising and I think he’ll continue to improve.
Where’s the severity of the call rank in this? A close miss is forgivable, a blatant mistake is killer. A perfectly officiated game (in my opinion) is not necessarily one with no controversy, but one with nothing blatantly unfair. A game like Pat’s IS perfect. And while nobody likes ref ball, everyone likes drama, and everyone likes having someone to blame. Refs are here to stay!
I grew up watching Maddux and Glavine get corner calls like that ALL DAY lol so it doesn't shock me as much I guess edit: you also lose reaction time as you get older and I assume that can affect umps trying to see pitches coming in at 95+ mph....so why are so many umps over 50?
Idea: having a mask cam on the umpire, and the broadcast has a bit in the 8th-9th inning where they take 5 of the toughest calls of the game and let the viewers try to do it uncut from the helm cam, then flash the total accuracy of the current ump along with the correct calls would make it more humanizing.
They already use image recognition and LiDAR to track the ball and determine velocity and spin. It would only take a few more cameras and having all the players measured to have tracking markers put on their uniforms to get a precise location in 3D space for the ball to determine the call in real time for each players strike zone dynamically controlling for the batting stance used pitch by pitch. The players union would never go for it because an objective standard for balls and strikes would make all but the most elite of the elite pitchers too unpredictable to use. They have the technology to reduce the officiating crew from 4 to 1 and that 1 would just be there to interpret the rules and keep order. The other 3 would still be on call in case of a brawl or something but otherwise unnecessary. They might still be needed to call tag plays at the bases.
Rewatching this video and your ending bit reminds me of how it feels to be a meteorologist (which I am). Please will complain for days about the incorrect predictions but never notice the correct ones. You could predict 29/30 days in a month correctly and the only this people will talk about is the one wrong day. I still think roboumps are probably best for calling balls and strikes, though 😂
Then you'll appreciate this: one of my pet peeves is when people grouse when the weather forecast shows a relatively low PoP, but then it rains after all. "Weather guy is a moron! He said it wasn't supposed to rain!" If Assclown is a sports fan, I can always put it in terms of some outcome in sports. "If you went to see Mike Trout and he got a hit, would you be shocked? Then why are you so surprised that it said 30 percent and it rained??" Or it goes the other way when it doesn't rain. "Are you stunned if LeBron misses a free throw? No? Then why are you surprised when 73 percent doesn't happen? You get the idea.
Pat Hoberg called an umpire perfect game last night! All the more so exciting that it was the World Series!!! If only both World Series teams were teams we wanted to see in the big games.
0:55 Kyle schwarber knows the strike zone very well. He is a 3 true outcomes hitter, as such he walks a lot. If there was any hitter that I would expect to go nuts on Angel Hernandez it would either be Kyle schwarber or Joey gallo. Mike trout's a bit too nice for that, and shohei ohtani definitely is. But those guys also know the strike zone very well.
I think it would be interesting to try a combination system of robot umps and real umps. Maybe a challenge for pitches could be implemented, where a manager could go out and have the ump check the robo ump to determine if a ball or strike was right or not.
It’s been amazing how elastic the strike zone has become. Maybe always was, but much more noticeable with high def ultra slow motion video today. But some of these umps are absolute poster children for the laser strike zone. Too many times they change the outcome of the game.
I remember Jeff Nelson. He was the umpire that cost the 2001 Mariners their 117th win by calling a Sasaki game-ending strikeout at the knees in the batter’s favor.
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feels pretty racist to single out one umpire who is a BIPOC
@@EyeOfThePhi what
@@talon6097 He's literally sh*tting on one and only one ump pretty much the entire video some guy named angel hernandes. You really think that's on accident?
@@EyeOfThePhi hahahahahahahaha
Pat Hoberg finally delivered his perfect game IN THE WORLD SERIES!!! What a legend!
And what a time to call the perfect game!!!
Foolish bb called it
Hoberg is the GOAT.
And it was in a game the Phillies lost.!
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We need to start implementing umpire perfect game alerts into broadcasts. Imagine the hype when the first one is finally performed.
... well, I'd be hyped at least.
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Maybe you two could do a colab if it does!
Yes but you can't say "perfect game." Just have to be like "he's uhhh, calling a good zone out there."
lmk when you speedrun being able to curl 30 lbs
You, Bailey, Jon, and Alex
“Did you put that ball into the Goblet of Strikes, Angel?” Schwarber explained calmly.
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This made me imagine a large cup behind the plate that umpires ceremoniously place baseballs in if they're called strikes. I like it.
Schwarber was pretty calm considering it's Angel Hernandez.
No sir!
this made me laugh too hard for some reason
Angel Hernandez is truly an inspiration, he didn't let his blindness stop him from achieving his dream of being an umpire for MLB.
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Hes kindof a genius. Only a few jobs in the world you can have where if you fuck up you ruin thousands of people's day, and still have a job the next day.
Meteorologist, sports official.
@@stevenhetzel6483 politician as well
Dude. Can't say that. It's Racist
Lmao
And HES DONE IT. Pat Hoberg called a perfect game...in the World Series no less. Truly a demon back there. His accuracy rates have gotten better over time, I give him leeway as he was starting out and that accounts for the lower average. It seems he's also over 98% nowadays though. Dudes just extremely good at his job, in a job that's not only quite difficult but one in which a lot of his fellows are shit.
but a lot of his fellows arent that bad, even the worst umps are right 92% of the time
@@musicdecoded4092imagine if your taxi driver only made the right turn 92% of the time
@protectdavidchasetaylor2144 thats pretty fuckin good numbers. Imagine if the shit you said made sense 92% of the time
@@musicdecoded4092 Except Angel Hernandez
Better keep him away from Angel Hernandez, he would screw him up for life!
Umpires being too shy to make impactful calls is hilarious considering their chosen line of work. All officials get too much hate and not enough credit no matter the sport though. Great video, I have a weird urge to go form a union now.
Huh. Weird. Well enjoy forming your union! Just weird how you got that idea from this video.
As an umpire, the most nerve racking situation for me is trying to make calls with a full count in a high leverage situation. Even if it's just a 12u tournament game, I don't want to feel responsible for one team losing
It's a real thing. The number of penalties called in NHL games in the regular season and the number of penalties called during the playoffs is massively disparate, and that's not because there aren't penalties to call. It's long been an axiom in hockey culture that in the third period of an elimination game in the playoffs, you practically have to decapitate someone to get called for a penalty. Now granted, in the vast majority of cases, taking a man off the ice for 2-5 minutes impacts a game of hockey more than one called ball or strike affects a game of baseball, but the principle is the same.
Same for Football (you call it Soccer). There was Collina, he stood in front of the best and richest players and stared them down. He was always right and then they rarely argued with him. Now the Referees are scared...
No good Referee in years :(
@@StefanWB I watched game 6 last night and the refs were crap, we should have a game 7, but the refs didn't do it
Foolish Baseball makes the modern game more understandable, enjoyable, and thoughtful. This guy is a master at content creation. We are truly lucky to have him.
Thank you for the kind words! I wouldn't be able to do it without your viewership.
up there right alongside jomboy
@@mr.silbergleit5724 so much better than jomboy
@@vader_OG nah they both great in their own right
One of these days this channel is going to catch fire and be one of the biggest baseball channels on youtube.
I have to be honest, that one "miss" by Hoberg is an entirely forgiveable call. It's close enough where nobody's really going to complain, especially given the circumstances (first pitch)
@fouoii gyhh begone bot
@@edgyanole9705 he's just trolling bruh
@@rampage_360bobamusicandoth4 no, what are you talking about
@@edgyanole9705 oh, is it one of those bots that copies other comments trying to fit in?
@@PuchuKt yeah
I really appreciate your explanation of the strike zone. I often feel it's 3D-ness is forgotten. I think it's good to think of it like a "cloud". Clearly people on the field have a whole different feeling of what a strike zone is.
i dont know what's the bigger problem in america, guns or bad umpiring
Is it 3d though? The rules are kinda confusing I think it's meant to be when the ball crosses the front of the plate
@@johnnytwotimes7854 It is supposed to be 3D, if the ball crosses over the plate at any point with the correct height, it is a strike
@@ShaneGrogan724 maybe umps should wear 3D glasses then
That exactly why eephus pitches work.
They are hard to hit if they fly in the strike zone at the very back.
My favorite quote on Angel Hernandez that I take no credit for:
If Angel Hernandez had another eye, he’d be a cyclops.
Its about time that Pat Hoberg got the recognition and respect he truly deserves.
I haven’t liked a Pat H. this much since Pat Hingle.
right hes the actual goat of umpiring and he gets almost no recognition and even a lot of the most seasoned mlb fans dont know his name
think jomboy gave him some cred a year or two ago. it was some ump, pretty sure it was hoberg. it was the first time i ever saw the umpire scorecard twitter
@@cellamuert that vid was about Libka, also an amazing umpire but much less experienced than Hoberg
he’s trending now!
Jomboy did a video on John Libka, he’s one of the fairest, most consistent and accurate umpires out there. MLB really need to put him in charge of some more important games.
13:03 - so glad you mentioned that Pitch Framing 'has always been a thing' - some media outlets make it seem like it was something that arrived with the internet. I have a book from 1986 called 'How To Watch Baseball' where players explain the 'inside baseball' things that fans should watch for. In the chapter on Catchers, Lance Parrish of the Tigers and Jody Davis of the Cubs explain how to make balls look like strikes by framing - and they were taught how to do it by guys that were taught how to do it 30 years before.
Nah. Their framing and today's framing aren't close to the same thing. Not even a little.
It’s always been there since the first. Catcher caught a close pitch and moved it quicky
And now he’s done it in the World Series. Congratulations Pat Hoberg.
It is great that with the rise of ump scorecards, we actually have the ability to measure umps' abilities objectively and respect the good ones, while criticizing the routinely bad.
It's pretty cool. UmpScoreCards isn't perfect, but given a large enough sample, we can definitely see who best mimics the computerized zone.
@@FoolishBaseball Agreed. Especially since great umps have never gotten the respect they deserve, despite how hard their job is. It's the only position on the field where not noticing them is the sign of a good game.
It's interesting seeing that angel hernandez isn't even in the top 10 worst
It is good to see that better pitch tracking tools have actually led to umpires improving. Having a more direct incentive such as demotions/firings for consistently bad performance would accelerate the trend, but at least there's some measure of progress.
@@mitch5944 That is the most surprising thing, although his consistency is in the bottom 10. I think Umpire Scorecards needs to develop a metric that presents a singular number for us to digest how bad (or good) the umps are.
I can’t even blame umps for no wanting to make game-changing calls… If watching Jomboy has taught me anything it’s that managers and players aren’t exactly the symbol of patience
One of the funniest things in baseball is when a player or manager gets ejected for a call the umpire totally got right. Baseball Bits legend Richard Bleier had one a while ago.
It's not a game changing call if it's correct. Then it's just a game call. Making the wrong call to avoid "changing" the game literally changes the game.
It’s of course a real thing to be judged on your “game management” as an umpire as well. One thing to know the rules it’s another to properly apply the rules and accurately explain to a (mad) manager
I mean baseball is already a frustrating game by itself, even the calmest person would lose their shit playing this game lol
If I lose my shit playing baseball on MLB the Show, I can only imagine how it is in real life
I can't describe the flash of excitement I got when I realized this was a Foolish video and not Jomboy. FB getting in on the umpire action is top tier content
We both love us some Hoberg.
Wait. Aren't you like a competitive pokemon youtuber?
@@armthesharks6904
He’s also an incredibly racist furry
Hey it's the Thorin and RL fellow viewer, Verlisify!
The phrase "noted bad umpire" was not used to describe Angel Hernandez in this video.
And now Pat Hoberg has called a perfect game- the first ever since umpire scorecards was established in 2015.
Bailey’s prediction coming true at 15:53 only a few months later PROVES that he actually is a time traveler
I think most people can understand the difficulty umps face in calling ball/strikes accurately. The problems start when umps bait players into arguments so they can eject them (like the ump "checking" Bumgarner's hand). It's those weird power trips that really mitigate their credibility as a whole and in turn put a lot pressure back on them to get the calls right. The good umps know how to manage a game by keeping everyone's egos in check.
Bailey, I just wanted to let you know that the work you do on this channel is unparalleled. The amount of research, editing, and overall time that go into these does not go unnoticed, and this quickly became my favorite channel on RUclips when it was recommended to me a while back. I always love learning about this great game, and you make it so easy for the viewers while still being super entertaining and informative. Keep up the fantastic work, as I and many others are always waiting to see the next video. Have a great day my man!
Hey, thank you so much for the kind words. It really means a lot.
i want to piggy back off this comment. This channel is the single reason i got back into baseball after a long time away. I just happened to watch the Barry bonds video during the 2020 season* and i used to love me some Barry Bonds. That video was so compelling it single day handedly reignited my love for baseball. I have since watched almost every video on the channel. Such top tier content from an extremely talented and insightful fan of this great sport. HCYNBRAB amirite?
@@Ryan-rt7kj Thank you for the kind words!
you don't have to suck up to him even if you like his videos bruh
@@brianlacroix822 why does it matter to you? I love his videos and wanted to let him know that his hard work is worth it to people like me. If you don't like my comment, there's a really cool feature on RUclips where you can exit the website and go on about your day without spreading negativity.
I'd like to give a shoutout to Jim Joyce. He was one of the best umpires in the game, and it sucks his blown call in costing Armando Galarraga a perfect game will unfairly define him for the the rest of his life.
Yes, and he was very apologetic afterward. You could tell it was eating him up.
How is it unfair? He cost Galarraga the 21st perfect game in MLB history. You make a colossal blunder and it should define you just as much as a great play does.
But one mistake shouldn’t define his career, umps can’t make “great plays” so any mistake ruins their reputation and legacy
Jim Joyce is a POS. It would have been the first PG in Tigers history.
He should’ve called him out then 🤷🏽♂️ he knows what he did, he wanted to spoil it, and apologized just to try and save face when he found out the world hated him.
All hail our lords and saviors Pat HoBOT and Wohn Wibka!
I think I'm an "ALAN PORTER FOR CREW CHIEF" man myself.
@@FoolishBaseball you are also not wrong. Just more names for this Pantheon of illustrious individuals!
@@FoolishBaseball he is a crew chief
15:58 I just took a look at Pat's ump scorecard today on G2 of the WS, he did got the perfect game
Daily reminder that Hoberg just called a perfect game and foolish baseball said he most likely will in this video. Good call.
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I would agree fuzzy
i agree fuzzy
Great day
The Angeles would also agree lol
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Angel Hernandez is a good person though, being blind really makes you humble.
oof
I get your joke, and I like it. But he actually really is a shitty person though. Tried pulling the race card on the MLB because he's been denied the World Series since like 2005 and still isn't a crew chief, claiming it's racial discrimination not just that he fucking sucks at umpiring. Check out the Jomboy Breakdown of that Phillies v Brewers game where Schwarber yells at him. He goes into it on there.
After thorough analysis during the past 14 centuries I have come to the conclusion that Ángel Hernández is a very good umpire. Move over Taylor Ward, we have a new goat in town.
Damn 14 centuries? Your name is retro baseball for a reason. What was it like back then? And why does everybody like your comments? Please tell me.
Charlemagne was considerd the best umpire for a long time.
@@FoolishBaseball He certainly was great.
They really need to do something about count calling, umpires are way too inconsistent, we should really use technology to call strikes and balls
Anybody remember Don Denkinger? He actually wasn't that bad of an umpire, it's just that he happened to have whatever the opposite of a clutch factor is when it came to calling big moments. I'm not surprised that umpires are getting better overall, but I think we see more bad calls because we see more games and have more data available to us. I personally can't wait until Hernandez retires, though.
Choke factor
Well Bailey, it finally happened. World Series game 2 is a perfect game called by Hoberg. Crazy
Thank you for talking about that Beck call. That was at the tail end of the Red Sox slump and it hurt a lot, and they faced a 4 runs added advantage for the Braves in the last two games of the series
Umpires have an extremely difficult job and there is so much hate in the media about the job they do, most of the time for good reason. I’m so excited there’s a positive video out there about them and the fact that he uses particular names is awesome
Which is funny because MLB umpires have the best call accuracy of any officials of the big four sports.
Why exactly does baseball have balls and strikes still called by umps?
@@Ironcabbit that very well could be because they have the easiest job of any official in sports(outside of maybe tennis who at least get to sit)
stand in place and keep your eye on the ball isnt very hard
@@Larter232 You do realize umps have to move around when the ball gets hit?
To answer the "what gives?" question at the beginning. I think it's just because Angel Hernandez has become the fans' preferred pinata of bad umpiring. Every time he has a bad game, fans take notice, whereas they don't with other umps. It's a reputation/sampling bias thing.
Yeah he wasn't even in the bottom 10 of bad umps lol
It doesn’t help that he’s also a total prick. CB Bucknor is also a terrible umpire, but he gets less flak for it because he’s a nice guy. When he blows a call, he lets guys scream at him for way longer than just about any other ump.
@@mitch5944 That doesn't account for how many games he's ruined for throwing people out for no reason.
Hernandez isn’t just bad at balls and strikes. He’s bad anywhere on the field. When he does blow a call, it’s a huge obviously blown call.
@@badboybrianwwu not only that but the league actually mandates that he gets behind the plate games instead of just sticking him out as a field ump despite knowing how awful he is at calling strikes and balls
Pat Hoberg perfect game in the finals no less!!!
Pat Hoberg finally has the perfecto
Angel hernandez is a real inspiration to me, he makes me feel as though I can also become a major league umpire if that’s the level of skill required
Absolutely fantastic video, I’ve always wanted robo umps but never really considered the fact that younger umps are significantly better than guys who have done it for multiple decades. Also around the 12:18 mark I got this weird sensation to unionize my work place even though it’s already unionized… hmmmm strange.
Speaking of baseball video games, now I want to see a baseball video game (maybe a VR game) where you play as the ump (with the correct camera angle behind the catcher), aspiring for that very first ump perfect game. That could be interesting.
Here after the Pat Hoberg perfect game
I think my favorite strike zone quirk is that it actually can vary based on how the batter is standing.
In a runaway game where position players start pitching, sometimes the batters don't get into a proper stance and are stood fully upright. That raises the strike zone! And the pitcher can toss a pitch that would be way high on a normal batter but goes for a strike on the apathetic batter.
this is actually the only reason why computers aren't used during games, they can't adjust to the batter's stance until postgame processing
In that sense, the strike zone is really a 4-dimensional object, or a 3D-object fluctuating through time. Meaning that it can only be accurately understood and tracked by a higher-dimensional being.
I love all the Beatles references at every level in the video lol.
I grew up on baseball in the late '90s and early 2000s. So, I know how wide and flat the zone used to be. I have watched a lot of games in the last 25 years, and generally speaking, I'm pretty impressed with how accurate most umps have gotten around the edge of the zone.
12:02 John libka and pat hoberg at the top, exactly who we expect to be there
Pat Hoberg calling the first perfect game, with the Phillies, and in the world series of all places. It's hard not to be coincidental about baseball.
You called it, Hoberg really did get that perfect game
With the strike zone on my local broadcast, it does honestly blow my mind how great many of the umpires are at their job. Unfortunately, they are in a thankless position. As a former collegiate pitcher, the idea of robo umps is really bittersweet. I love watching good defensive catchers work, and it would be a shame for framing to no longer be necessary. I think a little bit of human error is what makes baseball special.
Most boomer thing I've ever heard. Get rid of them.
Lol I’m not a boomer I’m in my 20s and was a division one pitcher. I’m not wholly opposed to robo umps, I just enjoy watching great catchers work.
Framing is not part of baseball, it is for all intents and purposes, just lying to the ump. Happy to see it go, shouldn't reward whichever catchers are the best at bullshit. I mean they train little kids how to do this now, ridiculous.
@@anthonymorabito32 I like human element, I don’t like the lack of any backlash on umps in terms of reprimand though, and how massive of an impact they have on games. What they say goes, and you can’t argue or complain, whether you are right or not, or else you will get ejected, fined or suspended.
I like the idea of each batter getting one “ball/strike” challenge. They can appeal to the 1st or 3rd base umpire who can wear an ear piece and be in contact with someone getting the real time k zone results and can get an accurate call within seconds. Just like appealing if the batter swung or not.
This is probably the best solution for all parties involved, but i think to insure that the challenging is actually usable as something that helps keep balls and strikes accurate, they should let you keep the challenge if you get it right. To ensure that managers and players can actually afford to challenge the bad calls, and not be forced to hold them for late game full counts that may or may not come.
I respect and appreciate your reasoning, but this would make the already long game of baseball take a whole lot longer, which I think is a deal-breaker.
I was all for this for awhile, but I don’t think it’s implementable. Take Bailey’s Phil Couzy example: a wide but consistent zone is fine, but you can’t suddenly take that zone away in the highest leverage situations. In the ninth inning of a close game, where the pitchers on each side have been utilizing the outer half, it just doesn’t seem fair to arbitrarily take those extra inches away in a crucial count. 2-2 becomes 3-1 with the winning run on second, despite the fact that on any other pitch in the game the count would remain 2-2 (for example).
@@mattforbes221 I don’t like the idea of a wide/ consistent zone. I feel inside/ outside pitches are the only pitches that need no grey area. If it clips a part of the plate, it’s a strike. Black and white.
@@Jabbersac I don’t think it would take much time at all. Just like appealing to the first base umpire to see if a batter swung doesn’t add significant time to a ball game. We can see instantly if it was a ball or strike, no one would have to watch a replay or huddle up with other umps.
After watching this video I can confirm one thing: Foolish is a big Beatles fan.
I was a Catcher and framing the pitch is what made me such a good catcher. On an outside pitch, catch the ball with your net and palm with an inside pitch. You don't move your glove at all and give the illusion of a good pitch
And now Pat Hoberg is gone. He umpped too close to the sun, truly the Icarus of calling balls and strikes.
Thank you for showcasing Wat Woberg everyone is always such a fan on the ump scorecard twitter
Woberg and Wibka
I was watching the game live when Kyle did that. I'm a Brewers fan, but at that point in the game, everyone watching was a Kyle fan. The ump was terrible all game for both teams, Kyle said what everyone was thinking.
Agreed. Im a brewers fan too bit hernandez was terrible all around against both teams. To be fair the last pitch to schwarber was too close to take at that point in the game. He should've swung in my unbiased opinion
I think the big thing for me is that most of the bad pitches he had called were strikes, versus Adrian Johnson's game where most of the bad pitches he called as balls. I think it says a lot when you're pissing off entire lineups with bad calls vs. just pitchers
See, I see it the other way. Giving the missed call advantage to the pitchers speeds along the game. And if one team’s pitchers still manage to give up all kinds of hits, it’s pretty compelling evidence that they just suck at their jobs and are probably on bad teams.
It’s always a great day when foolish baseball uploads
thanks!
@@FoolishBaseball NO WAY ITS YOU YOUR MY FAVORITE RUclipsR also congrats on being ON TRENDING
Wish you talked about the 2019 nationals more. Nothing will ever come close to how bizarre 2019 was, a World Series with no home wins etc
PAT HOBERG JUST CALLED A PERFECT GAME IN GAME 2 OF THE WORLD SERIES MJKFKSPWJVKSAAAAAAAA
The best umpires are usually the ones we never get to know.
Thank you Foolish Baseball for showing us these “heros” of the game.
I wonder how a robo-ump would affect players as well. Such as pitchers who live off calls on the outside, or teams going for more offensive catchers because like you say, framing won't matter if there are robo-umps. Interesting.
Love the video. Love the Beatles references even more. Foolish Bailey is a renaissance man
Pat Hoberg did it! A PERFECT GAME in the WORLD SERIES!!!
the beatles references were a nice touch to an already great video, bailey! :)
I think the best would be something of a hybrid system, let the ump call balls and strikes but give him a wristband with the robo ump that he can quickly look to if he’s in doubt - instruct them to do this rarely.
With this system you maintain the personal nature of a living strike zone and also allow umps to make less bad calls. A win-win for the old heads and the new heads
No. Watch a different game
I actually really like human umps. Imperfect strike zone and impact of the catcher I think are fun parts of the game. But often they are too inaccurate, and I understand the gripe. The fact that umps are getting better gives me hope. Robo umps does sound inevitable. I just want some sort of randomness thrown in. Catcher impact sounds nearly impossible to implement. But something like a 3%-5% chance of the robot being wrong if the pitch is within a width of the ball for being in/out of the strike zone would I think be a good balance.
That sounds completely idiotic. If you want a more exciting game, then stop giving pitchers the advantage. Let hitters hit. Don't make the game more exciting by making the calls less fair. That's dumb and a bunch of BS.
As a person who played catcher in high school a lot of these misses are based on where the ump is set up. The ump usually sets up right behind the catcher meaning some balls are gonna be strikes. Also when you move a lot to catch a strike the ump is gonna think it’s a ball.
I used to set up over the catchers shoulder. I definitely feel like it gave me more room to judge poorly framed or missed pitches entirely
A simple and fast review system is all baseball needs. Cricket did this about 15 years ago
I’ve loved all of your Baseball Bits thus far, but this one is definitely in that Master tier. This one had that effect of your Baseball Commissioner video, which is to make me think outside of my preconceived notions. Keep up the great work!
Shoutout to Doug Eddings for missing 26 calls in Jays/Sox
💀💀💀
That entire series was horrible to watch as a jays fan
Was he sleeping?
doesn't seem ideal
Yeah, that was pretty atrocious.
I've always loved having human umps because I like that pitchers have to know what the umps zone looks like going into a game. I like that it adds another layer of depth. But my god, the unreal incompetence of some of these umps is starting to make me think it's not worth it. I just wish that they could get rid of these guys, this is one of the only sports were someone can have no idea what they are doing and still have complete job security.
That really is the thing. There is no reason why umpires should be able to stay for as long as they do. Most 50+ year old umpires just will not have the eye speed to be able to call games as accurately as the fans and players want. Then you have the more accurate umps, who might call a few borderline pitches the wrong way or just an inch on the outside, but at least that adds a real human feel to the game. Some "bad" calls are acceptable. Its the glaring ones that really get people mad.
Really, the issue extends to officiating across almost all sports. Part of it is that umpire/referee unions do protect the bad ones, but the sports leagues themselves also have an interest in always standing behind the officials. Almost every sports league will back their officials even on bad calls in the name of "protecting their authority", which is an understandable thing considering the officials are supposed to be the unquestioned arbiters of the game, but often gets taken too far.
Plus, after the NFL replacement ref debacle of 2012, it's going to be a long time before any sports league dares to try and enforce stricter accountability standards on their officials again.
@@Wolfeson28 I’d say umpiring in baseball requires a more precise eye which is why it’s easier for an umpire to be bad. Other sports have some better referees and some worse, but for the most part there aren’t too many who are glaringly bad, because the precision isn’t as intense. Also, in other sports leagues you’d be able to challenge game-changing results like this one, while here there is no such challenge. So while yes, it can be an issue in every sport, I think baseball has it the worst
@@TheBestDRose That's a fair point. At the same time, though, I feel like umpires have some advantage over officials in other sports because most of the rules they have to use are more objective and precise. The definition of what constitutes a ball or strike, a fair or foul ball, a runner being safe or out, is very objective and clear (at least on paper). Baseball has very few of the much more subjective "judgement calls" found in other sports (football has pass interference, holding, late hits, etc.; basketball has block/charge, travelling, degree of contact on a shot, etc.). Aside from check swings, baseball doesn't deal with many vague subjective calls on a regular basis.
What many officials don’t seem to realize is equivalence equals fairness. If you screw up a called strike at the knees, you’ve by necessity just reset your strike zone. You HAVE to call that pitch the same way for the other team’s batters too.
I had the great pleasure of seeing the Red Sox-Yankee London series in 2019. Angel Hernandez was one of the umps. The amount of boos that followed his participation announcement at the start of the 1st game was incredible. Showed how many Americans were there (attendance was over 60,000). That same announcement at the beginning of the second game drew no response however.
Nah, a lot of those people would have been European fans who very much are aware of what an absolute waste of space Hernandez is, I promise you.
I used to umpire. Maybe 10 years total. In all my time I’ve been in many arguments with coaches. Players etc. mainly parents in the crowd. I only ever threw one person out on a bad call argument. Just one. It’s not easy, you do your best
Funny how when I umpire the players are the most well behaved
So... you never had the joy of throwing a mascot out of the game?
I'm still on the fence about robo umps, and this video actually skewed me away from them. If it is true that the younger umps are better, then we just need to suffer through this nonsense a little longer before the light at the end of the tunnel becomes reality.
Another great video! Thanks for bringing baseball knowledge to normal people. Recently got more into baseball and your videos help me understand much better and you’re hilarious 😂
Thank you Tyler!
As someone who did some umping for youth baseball for a bunch of years, not wanting to have an impact is definitely a thing. I'm not saying that I would intentionally change my call, but there would definitely be more stress on a close call if you know that calling one way will have a large impact on the game, and the other will not. On those 3-2 pitches, I was just secretly always hoping that the batter would swing and make my life a little easier.
And yes, it is pretty tough to get the correct perspective on those outside pitches. A real pain in the ass. But just be as consistent as you can, and people would complain less.
Yep! I played independent ball and all that I ever wanted as a hitter was consistency. If an umpire gave me that, I would never complain. Like, if he's calling low strikes, and I get caught watching a low ball... That's on me.
I still play hockey and always ask the same thing.
what if teams could challenge pitches?Something like 3 an inning per team. And they don’t stack up if they’re unused. (Or maybe they do haha that’s a whole new strat). But because we already have the technology to show the strike zone on live tv, a challenge can be near instantly resolved. That way we still have human umps, but also robo-umps who can come in during a clutch at bat.
Hoberg got his Perfect Game!
Angel's actually improved since we started tracking data though, that's another point. Angel's now better than anybody was back when we started paying attention. None of em should be calling balls and strikes but I think the angel vilification goes too far, sorry CC.
NO
Lmao you managed to sneak in a couple Beatles references lol it’s amazing
Maybe I'm just old school (I'm not) but as a fan... I can live with the human error to a degree. It's not the occaisional missed call that gets me, it's the attitude, ego, and frankly unsportsmanlike conduct by the Old Guard Umps that sours me on the game. I would RATHER see the game play organically, rather than infalliably. And yes, even if that means the Sox lose game 7 of the series on a missed strike call. Because I can live with the extremely low odds of that happening in favor of the soul of the game leaving forever.
Foolish- "Every mistake matters."
Me- "Thats the nicest thing anyones ever said about me"
3:38 "This runaway baseball was later rescued and adopted."
I hope it found a good home. 😊
HERE AFTER PAT HOBERG'S PERFECT WS GAME
I watched the Phils Rocks game this year. He was incredible. First pitch he missed, didn’t miss a pitch the rest of the game. That is so cool you made a video on it.
I think a video on Aaron Nola’s turnaround would be fantastic. By far my favorite starter in the game. Better fastball/sinker and curve command. Finally throwing more sinkers and trusting his D to field ‘dem grounders. Fly ball % down and added a cut fastball, a pitch that is barely noted at league average, but it along with his improved command made his pitch sequencing a bit less predictable. Change up has hurt him a bit this year, but mixing in that cutter to righties or lefties either early in the game and say, a 1-0 count to get them off the offspeed - or third time thru the lineup to a tough lefty, throw it up under the hands. Makes them lose focus on the front door sinker or masks another sight of his out pitch (chase curve). The way he sets hitters up is just really mind blowing. Half the time you can call the K as soon as you see who’s up. Really like what he’s done thus far, dude is seriously underrated. Nobody’s made more starts or eaten more innings than Nola in the last five years, if you’ll believe it..and he’s only 29 I believe. Really promising and I think he’ll continue to improve.
aged like fine milk
Why are the chapters named after beatles songs.
Where’s the severity of the call rank in this? A close miss is forgivable, a blatant mistake is killer. A perfectly officiated game (in my opinion) is not necessarily one with no controversy, but one with nothing blatantly unfair. A game like Pat’s IS perfect. And while nobody likes ref ball, everyone likes drama, and everyone likes having someone to blame. Refs are here to stay!
Ouch damn it pat why did you get caught gambling
I grew up watching Maddux and Glavine get corner calls like that ALL DAY lol so it doesn't shock me as much I guess
edit: you also lose reaction time as you get older and I assume that can affect umps trying to see pitches coming in at 95+ mph....so why are so many umps over 50?
Glavine talked about pitching poorly in QuestTec parks because he wasn't getting the big zone
Idea: having a mask cam on the umpire, and the broadcast has a bit in the 8th-9th inning where they take 5 of the toughest calls of the game and let the viewers try to do it uncut from the helm cam, then flash the total accuracy of the current ump along with the correct calls would make it more humanizing.
They already use image recognition and LiDAR to track the ball and determine velocity and spin. It would only take a few more cameras and having all the players measured to have tracking markers put on their uniforms to get a precise location in 3D space for the ball to determine the call in real time for each players strike zone dynamically controlling for the batting stance used pitch by pitch.
The players union would never go for it because an objective standard for balls and strikes would make all but the most elite of the elite pitchers too unpredictable to use.
They have the technology to reduce the officiating crew from 4 to 1 and that 1 would just be there to interpret the rules and keep order. The other 3 would still be on call in case of a brawl or something but otherwise unnecessary. They might still be needed to call tag plays at the bases.
Rewatching this video and your ending bit reminds me of how it feels to be a meteorologist (which I am). Please will complain for days about the incorrect predictions but never notice the correct ones. You could predict 29/30 days in a month correctly and the only this people will talk about is the one wrong day.
I still think roboumps are probably best for calling balls and strikes, though 😂
Then you'll appreciate this: one of my pet peeves is when people grouse when the weather forecast shows a relatively low PoP, but then it rains after all. "Weather guy is a moron! He said it wasn't supposed to rain!" If Assclown is a sports fan, I can always put it in terms of some outcome in sports.
"If you went to see Mike Trout and he got a hit, would you be shocked? Then why are you so surprised that it said 30 percent and it rained??" Or it goes the other way when it doesn't rain. "Are you stunned if LeBron misses a free throw? No? Then why are you surprised when 73 percent doesn't happen?
You get the idea.
THE ROBO UMP FORETOLD BY THE ELDERS HAS ARRIVED
Umpires and players should each get to pick one legal fight per year
Hockey rules
Pat Hoberg called an umpire perfect game last night! All the more so exciting that it was the World Series!!!
If only both World Series teams were teams we wanted to see in the big games.
0:55 Kyle schwarber knows the strike zone very well. He is a 3 true outcomes hitter, as such he walks a lot.
If there was any hitter that I would expect to go nuts on Angel Hernandez it would either be Kyle schwarber or Joey gallo. Mike trout's a bit too nice for that, and shohei ohtani definitely is. But those guys also know the strike zone very well.
I love that the qualifications for a perfect storm were:
1: It was a game on TV
2: It was Angel Hernandez
3: it was Angel's worst game of the year
It’s the arrogance that really gets to people.
I think it would be interesting to try a combination system of robot umps and real umps. Maybe a challenge for pitches could be implemented, where a manager could go out and have the ump check the robo ump to determine if a ball or strike was right or not.
It’s been amazing how elastic the strike zone has become. Maybe always was, but much more noticeable with high def ultra slow motion video today.
But some of these umps are absolute poster children for the laser strike zone. Too many times they change the outcome of the game.
Did you watch the video? It clearly shows that umps are getting better at calling the strike zone
I remember Jeff Nelson. He was the umpire that cost the 2001 Mariners their 117th win by calling a Sasaki game-ending strikeout at the knees in the batter’s favor.
2:50 kirk with the majestic framing
PAT HOEBERG DID IT!!!