Great video as usual. I think you could have saved yourself some installation steps. The cable assembly with the connector that powered your existing smoke alarm would have been connected to the house wiring with marr connectors. If you had pulled out this cable assembly from the box you could have simply unscrewed the marr connectors and then connected the wires for the nest. This would have eliminated the need to cut and strip the wires. Plus the electrical box would not have been so cramped.
Great vid Brian, I considered getting one of these for a good while a couple of years ago but ultimately ended up getting a Fibaro smoke sensor purely because it integrates with SmartThings
11:30 No need to cut off the connector. Just turn off the power and unscrew the old wire nuts and remove the old connector to the old smoke detector. Remove the old smoke detector plate. Install the new nest protect wiring to the house wiring. No electrical tape. The inside of the wire nuts is metal and connects the wires together. Look at the existing wiring.
One thing to note about these is for newer homes that have to meet newer code (at least here in Ontario), Nest doesn't meet the regs as it doesn't have a strobe light, and I think maybe 1-2 other conditions as well. I keep wondering if Nest is going to put out an updated one that meets and exceeds standards, but it has yet to happen.
Automate Your Life they work as auxiliary but don’t meet code for the new primary www.nest-community.com/s/question/0D51W00005j8gD9SAI/please-advise-if-the-protect-meets-these-minimum-requirements-for-ontario-fire-code
Thank you! looking to buy the nest smoke detector. we have 2 hardwire smoke detectors in now (not nest) - we can replace them with nest right? even though the old ones are hard wired?
With my set up I've used a Fibaro smoke sensor that's linked with SmartThings, when smoke is detected it then can do a range of things including play a custom voice message through my Samsung multiroom speakers 👍
Brian, not sure if it has been mentioned, but you don't wrap electrical tape over live wires. Just use the yellow maretts supplied to connect each wires copper ends together. Taping them together like you showed is not allowed. Keep up the great videos.
I've been a Nest Protect user for about 4 years. I've had false alarms from 2 out of about 12 devices over the years, and each time I contacted Nest about the false alarm, and they immediately sent a replacement each time (after ruling out a couple known causes of false alarms like dust accumulation). About 2 years ago I had an addition put on the house, so I wanted to take that opportunity to replace all the older First Alert type alarms in the entire house and replace them all with wired Nest Protects, so I bought a case of them. My contractor assured me they would meet code requirements, but then when the Fire Marshall came to inspect, they rejected the Nest Protects because Nest Protect meets all requirements except for one. Specifically, one of my old alarms in the garage is also a heat sensor to detect the heat of flames, and I was going to replace that one with a Nest because Nest features listed heat detection. After some back and forth between all involved parties, it was deemed that we could not wire the house with Nest because of the fine print regarding the heat detection feature ("this sensor is considered inactive"), and because of that one restriction in the garage, we could not install the case of Nests through the remainder of the house since all must be interconnected and all meet code restrictions. I ended up installing the typical wired smoke detectors to meet code, and also installed about 6 more wireless Nest Protects through the addition just to get the benefits of using Nest such as remote access & notifications most importantly. Nest provided an explanation and allowed me to return the case (~US$1000). Here are the comments from Nest regarding this issue: ------------ NEST REPLY ------------- I can confirm the following information about the Nest Protect: 1. There is a heat sensor in the Nest Protect in order to detect sudden rises in temperature. However, this sensor is considered inactive. The Nest Protect is primarily a Smoke and CO detector. Learn more about 2nd generation Nest Protect sensors 2. Because the Nest Protect is a Smoke and CO detector, putting a Nest Protect in your garage is not recommended. As they are usually not heated or cooled, the actual temperatures experienced in a garage may go above or below the temperature range that the alarm has been designed for. The smoke from engine exhaust fumes can also cause nuisance alarms and damage the sensors of the smoke alarm. Which rooms in my home need a Nest Protect? 3. The Nest Protect cannot be wired into third party smoke alarms. Our wires are only for power, and our interconnect is done through a wireless Bluetooth network so that the interconnect still works if your power goes out. This means that there is no interconnect wire, and so no way to connect it to a third party alarm. Why doesn't Nest Protect have wired interconnect
Hey Steven - So from this, it looks like the Nest would miss code restrictions on almost any house in the US? If there's a heat sensing requirement (which I struggle with from a pure instrumentation standpoint by the way), then none of the sensors should be in any home.
Or wait, I now read this as...if you have a garage sensor then you won't be able to use a Nest Protect anywhere in the US? How are you still using some of them though? Or are you?
@@AutomateYourLife Massachusetts has a specific requirement for heat sensing smoke detectors in garages. It also has a requirement that all smoke detectors intercommunicate. So because the Nest Protect does not meet their specific requirement ("active sensing" instead of "inactive sensing") it did not qualify to provide that coverage for the garage, and because that one location failed requirements, it meant that even if we blanketed the house in Nest Protects everywhere else in the house it still wouldn't meet code. For houses lacking a garage, in Massachusetts, using wired Nest Protects throughout would meet the code requirements. Other state surely have different code requirements so it will vary.
To clarify, to meet code requirements I had the standard CO/Smoke detectors installed as the contractor initially intended, AND for my own preference I added additional (redundant) Nest Protects to the same areas in the addition (bringing my total house count to about 12 Nest Protects) in order to get the remote notifications and access among other advanced Nest features. I fought hard on this but the Fire Marshall wouldn't budge.
Well, Nest Protect alarms are LOUD already. And they are interconnected so a remote Nest Protect that is far away will trigger Nest Protects that are closer to all sound in unison. Further, Nest Protects activate cameras when triggered to have a video record of the event.
Great video Brian!! I didn’t think you could put electrical tape before the wire but, I usually wrap it after. PS: I was minutes away from ordering my wink hub.. mainly to add security system to it.. and then saw the Abode!! A security system with a Zigbee, Z-wave, Bluetooth and WiFi along with IFTTT hub built in... have you reviewed this in the past? Can you? I’m very impressed because they allow 3rd party components to work with it!! And saw videos of the interface and it looks amazing!! Any thoughts? Thanks for all the great info you give us as usual. 👍🏽😊
Hey Gene - I've actually been corrected by a few folks already that I should take off that tape, or wrap it after as you've said! So, you're totally right. :) As for Abode, yeah, I really like lots of what they have (just looking at it from a website really). As for reviewing it, I will try just for you! :)
Do you know how long the battery life in the non-wired models last? I looked into them and was disappoint to see that they took 6 AA batteries and on top of that the most expensive kind. It would have been nice to have it recharge instead.
I don't have an experience-base on that, but my understanding is many years. 5 years is the standard response I get and I had one follower tell me it had been many years. That means it'll be about 2 battery changes (or maybe 3) by the time you're replacing it.
@@AutomateYourLife Well that's not bad at all. Guess when I decide to get some I will go that route, getting in the attic is not fun. Thank you for the reply.
@@AutomateYourLife Wire nuts will slip over tape, the tape could slip from the wire, remove that ASAP and please remove theses pigtails and connect directly to the copper romex. It would be sad to burn down your house upgrading your smoke detectors. I would add electrical tape isn't used to connect wire EVER.
@@AutomateYourLife Agree with the above, but what I've used tape for in some cases is after twisting on the wire nut, if you want you can wrap a bit of electrical tape around the outside of the nut and the insulated wire, just so it can never back off and as an added level of protection.
Great unboxing and review Brian.
Great video as usual. I think you could have saved yourself some installation steps. The cable assembly with the connector that powered your existing smoke alarm would have been connected to the house wiring with marr connectors. If you had pulled out this cable assembly from the box you could have simply unscrewed the marr connectors and then connected the wires for the nest. This would have eliminated the need to cut and strip the wires. Plus the electrical box would not have been so cramped.
Yeah - I thought about it after I did that! You're exactly right Kevin! Thanks so much.
Great vid Brian, I considered getting one of these for a good while a couple of years ago but ultimately ended up getting a Fibaro smoke sensor purely because it integrates with SmartThings
Yeah! I wanted to try one of those too. I’ll have to ditch the nest though ;)
11:30 No need to cut off the connector. Just turn off the power and unscrew the old wire nuts and remove the old connector to the old smoke detector. Remove the old smoke detector plate. Install the new nest protect wiring to the house wiring. No electrical tape. The inside of the wire nuts is metal and connects the wires together. Look at the existing wiring.
One thing to note about these is for newer homes that have to meet newer code (at least here in Ontario), Nest doesn't meet the regs as it doesn't have a strobe light, and I think maybe 1-2 other conditions as well. I keep wondering if Nest is going to put out an updated one that meets and exceeds standards, but it has yet to happen.
It's amazing that they're selling these in stores, but not meeting code. That seems a little off to me.
Automate Your Life they work as auxiliary but don’t meet code for the new primary
www.nest-community.com/s/question/0D51W00005j8gD9SAI/please-advise-if-the-protect-meets-these-minimum-requirements-for-ontario-fire-code
Thank you! looking to buy the nest smoke detector. we have 2 hardwire smoke detectors in now (not nest) - we can replace them with nest right? even though the old ones are hard wired?
Yes, there is a version that I'm using here. It did cause me to clip off a connector that went into my current smoke detectors, but you can do it.
Great video
Do you think nest protect will be integrated with the google home? I mean when there’s smoke google will say there’s smoke in the (room name)
I absolutely do. They really should have this already and it was a major disappointment of mine that they didn't.
With my set up I've used a Fibaro smoke sensor that's linked with SmartThings, when smoke is detected it then can do a range of things including play a custom voice message through my Samsung multiroom speakers 👍
Or even call / text your phone...🤷♂️
@@marksmadhousemetaphysicalm2938 it's possible to do this through utilising IFTTT (depending where you are in the world) ifttt.com/applets/FidBNM2t
Brian, not sure if it has been mentioned, but you don't wrap electrical tape over live wires. Just use the yellow maretts supplied to connect each wires copper ends together. Taping them together like you showed is not allowed. Keep up the great videos.
Thanks!
I've been a Nest Protect user for about 4 years. I've had false alarms from 2 out of about 12 devices over the years, and each time I contacted Nest about the false alarm, and they immediately sent a replacement each time (after ruling out a couple known causes of false alarms like dust accumulation).
About 2 years ago I had an addition put on the house, so I wanted to take that opportunity to replace all the older First Alert type alarms in the entire house and replace them all with wired Nest Protects, so I bought a case of them. My contractor assured me they would meet code requirements, but then when the Fire Marshall came to inspect, they rejected the Nest Protects because Nest Protect meets all requirements except for one. Specifically, one of my old alarms in the garage is also a heat sensor to detect the heat of flames, and I was going to replace that one with a Nest because Nest features listed heat detection. After some back and forth between all involved parties, it was deemed that we could not wire the house with Nest because of the fine print regarding the heat detection feature ("this sensor is considered inactive"), and because of that one restriction in the garage, we could not install the case of Nests through the remainder of the house since all must be interconnected and all meet code restrictions.
I ended up installing the typical wired smoke detectors to meet code, and also installed about 6 more wireless Nest Protects through the addition just to get the benefits of using Nest such as remote access & notifications most importantly.
Nest provided an explanation and allowed me to return the case (~US$1000). Here are the comments from Nest regarding this issue:
------------ NEST REPLY -------------
I can confirm the following information about the Nest Protect:
1. There is a heat sensor in the Nest Protect in order to detect sudden rises in temperature. However, this sensor is considered inactive. The Nest Protect is primarily a Smoke and CO detector.
Learn more about 2nd generation Nest Protect sensors
2. Because the Nest Protect is a Smoke and CO detector, putting a Nest Protect in your garage is not recommended. As they are usually not heated or cooled, the actual temperatures experienced in a garage may go above or below the temperature range that the alarm has been designed for. The smoke from engine exhaust fumes can also cause nuisance alarms and damage the sensors of the smoke alarm.
Which rooms in my home need a Nest Protect?
3. The Nest Protect cannot be wired into third party smoke alarms. Our wires are only for power, and our interconnect is done through a wireless Bluetooth network so that the interconnect still works if your power goes out. This means that there is no interconnect wire, and so no way to connect it to a third party alarm.
Why doesn't Nest Protect have wired interconnect
Hey Steven - So from this, it looks like the Nest would miss code restrictions on almost any house in the US? If there's a heat sensing requirement (which I struggle with from a pure instrumentation standpoint by the way), then none of the sensors should be in any home.
Or wait, I now read this as...if you have a garage sensor then you won't be able to use a Nest Protect anywhere in the US? How are you still using some of them though? Or are you?
@@AutomateYourLife Massachusetts has a specific requirement for heat sensing smoke detectors in garages. It also has a requirement that all smoke detectors intercommunicate. So because the Nest Protect does not meet their specific requirement ("active sensing" instead of "inactive sensing") it did not qualify to provide that coverage for the garage, and because that one location failed requirements, it meant that even if we blanketed the house in Nest Protects everywhere else in the house it still wouldn't meet code.
For houses lacking a garage, in Massachusetts, using wired Nest Protects throughout would meet the code requirements. Other state surely have different code requirements so it will vary.
To clarify, to meet code requirements I had the standard CO/Smoke detectors installed as the contractor initially intended, AND for my own preference I added additional (redundant) Nest Protects to the same areas in the addition (bringing my total house count to about 12 Nest Protects) in order to get the remote notifications and access among other advanced Nest features. I fought hard on this but the Fire Marshall wouldn't budge.
12!
It would be nice if Nest could let these connect to their home security system and be used as extra sirens.
100%
Well, Nest Protect alarms are LOUD already. And they are interconnected so a remote Nest Protect that is far away will trigger Nest Protects that are closer to all sound in unison. Further, Nest Protects activate cameras when triggered to have a video record of the event.
@@StevenErat Are you saying that a Nest secure will trigger the protect to go off by sound?
Great video Brian!! I didn’t think you could put electrical tape before the wire but, I usually wrap it after. PS: I was minutes away from ordering my wink hub.. mainly to add security system to it.. and then saw the Abode!! A security system with a Zigbee, Z-wave, Bluetooth and WiFi along with IFTTT hub built in... have you reviewed this in the past? Can you? I’m very impressed because they allow 3rd party components to work with it!! And saw videos of the interface and it looks amazing!! Any thoughts? Thanks for all the great info you give us as usual. 👍🏽😊
Hey Gene - I've actually been corrected by a few folks already that I should take off that tape, or wrap it after as you've said! So, you're totally right. :)
As for Abode, yeah, I really like lots of what they have (just looking at it from a website really). As for reviewing it, I will try just for you! :)
Thanks!! But I’m sure it’s not just me interested. 😂
I’ve sent a request :)
I like the future HomeKit compatibility too.
Do you know how long the battery life in the non-wired models last? I looked into them and was disappoint to see that they took 6 AA batteries and on top of that the most expensive kind. It would have been nice to have it recharge instead.
I don't have an experience-base on that, but my understanding is many years. 5 years is the standard response I get and I had one follower tell me it had been many years. That means it'll be about 2 battery changes (or maybe 3) by the time you're replacing it.
@@AutomateYourLife Well that's not bad at all. Guess when I decide to get some I will go that route, getting in the attic is not fun. Thank you for the reply.
👌👍
Pretty much only Canadians call wire nuts "Maretts". Also, you don't tape wire before you twist on a marett or wire nut. That is just wrongamundo.
Wrongamundo! Is there a reason you don’t tape down the wire? Thanks Chris
@@AutomateYourLife Wire nuts will slip over tape, the tape could slip from the wire, remove that ASAP and please remove theses pigtails and connect directly to the copper romex. It would be sad to burn down your house upgrading your smoke detectors. I would add electrical tape isn't used to connect wire EVER.
Thanks guys
@@AutomateYourLife Agree with the above, but what I've used tape for in some cases is after twisting on the wire nut, if you want you can wrap a bit of electrical tape around the outside of the nut and the insulated wire, just so it can never back off and as an added level of protection.