I mean even with the copium of it making David somewhat alive in the series is both good in the game, the anime and lore wise. In the cyberpunk corpo point of view keeping this dude as a specimen rather than killing it off would be more profitable and would really make sense.
I wonder... does that basically imply that Smasher overheard the corpos discussing this with the higher ups while waiting in that room with them? Or is he just saying that, thinking it to himself, out loud?
I just watched it again, and he's actually basically OFFERING him the option! Holy crap... He says, "you know, you COULD prove an interesting construct." David says, "whatever, choom. Like I give a shit." Smasher replies, "Oh, well."
I remember when I was first watching it, I loved it. I looked up “Will there be a season two of Cyberpunk : Edgerunners?” It said no. Now I know why. 🥲
With how evil CD Projekt Red writers can be... I can imagine in the Phantom Liberty DLC for Cyberpunk 2077, we get a boss character similar to Adam Smasher, as Adam is either dead or out of commission after the game's events; a no-ganic full borg boss that relentlessly chases after you as you complete missions for the NUSA... And then, during the final fight, the borg started speaking nonsense such as, "to the top of Arasaka-" or "get you to the moon" or "keep running-". Making their characters suffer is very on-brand for CDPR...
@@mugenokami2201 silver hand still did die , nothing changed that , the engram technically isn't even really him , it's just a digitized psyche of what he would be like (also mixed with the 50 years of arasaka altering his memories) so V isn't really talking to the real johnny silverhand just an AI who thinks he's him basically , which is also what happens to V in every ending where he connects to mikoshi and get put back in his body . alt literally tells him V died and a digital psyche will be put back in ur body thinking it's V
@@mugenokami2201silver hand is dead, but a construct. David is dead, and Adam smasher offered him to be a construct, but David denied and got shot in the head. 0 chance
@@invert8505 I know he is dead. Didn’t know bout if the headshot fucked up any chance of getting David as a digi construct or not. As for the reason behind that? It’s cyberpunk. Look at all the medical bullshitery they pull off.
@@mugenokami2201true, I’m just saying chances are David’s gone since I’m sure they would’ve killed silverhand before turning him into an engram if they had that option, so the technology probably doesn’t work on corpses
And Adam smasher says that he'd maybe make an interesting construct but fuck it, it's too late for that and shoots him in the head. I think they've done it so people wouldn't say that Arasaka made a construct out of him but the need to cope is too strong.
@@phoenixeye4610 but we don't get to see his body or the gunshot itself. Your not familiar with CD project red are you, they pull the old smoke and mirrors all the time when it comes to character deaths. Yeah they're brutal and sometimes they stay Dead about 50% of the time but still they love doing that.
And Smasher's last lines were "You'd make an interesting construct." What's Johnny? A construct. Who would make a good construct for Arasaka to test on? David.
@@poogles2866 That's true. Gone with Alt beyond the Blackwall, into the old net. If only we knew someone that kept diving into the old net trying to find things that had been lost there... Fitting a little too neatly, yet?
@@aaronlemieux2217 but Johnny was at arasaka with the head of arasaka using soul killer on him when he was still alive and you didn't finish what smasher said he said "you'd make an interesting construct...... oh well" then shoots David in the head so it's impossible
I prefer the idea that Adam killed David at the end to spare him this fate, not out of sympathy or as a reward for giving him a decent fight, but out of a kind of "might as well" sense of apathy.
@@Rxert I’m pretty sure the reason is because cyber psychos happens becuase of underlying psychotic tendencies or loss of humanity meaning Adam was already there before he even installed a single piece of chrome so he didn’t become insane but instead just more psychopathic
@@Rxert It's not really that, but as you see in the series, the more people are chromed up, the more they feel that they lost something and start longing for the past (Maine with his running, David with his mother). Adam Smasher simply didnt feel that way, he is a psychopath so he has no empathy towards his victims. There was nothing to make him conflicted about the life he was living as he wanted to be what he is from the beginning, unlike cyberpunks who get chromed up as a means to an end.
I think it's more in the line of Adam doesn't leave people alive. Arasaka doesn't send him to keep people alive they send him in to wipe the slate clean
@@WilLop-ck9qo I’m neutral abt it. He could have died, but so far, his death was off screen, and there’s possible theories that prove he’s alive. Until then, he could be dead or alive
A second season doesn't even need to touch on the same characters. You know? I wanna see someone else's story now. Maybe end it with them getting flat-lined by David so we assume season two occurred off screen during season one
@@WristTapeDrowzzy ahh shit yeah you right, i didn't have headphones on the first time I watched, so it sounded like fight at first. Thanks for correcting me
I just realized, it's entirely possible that the cyberskeleton had the soulkiller built into it. It's a pretty far reach, and they said themselves that there isn't gonna be a second season, but it's still a tiny possibility.
David being alive just goes against everything that makes a story in the cyberpunk universe satisfying/bittersweet. It’s all about having the freedom to go out how you want in a world where all other “freedoms” are influenced/controlled by corpos. Also they basically confirmed him not becoming a construct when smasher mentions it to him and David says “fuck that”
True, but they could also just do it anyway. Johnny didn’t have any say in being a chip. They just forced him to be one. Doesn’t matter either way, we’ll never know if they tried it or not so he’s just dead.
@@thotobliterator1587 Johnny was also alive and conscious when they did it, not dead. We see what happens when Arasaka take someone that is already dead and use soul killer (Jackie). Doesn't end well.
I think we’re forgetting that the whole point that Arisaka wanted to experiment with him was because they thought he would be cyberpsycho-resistant enough to use their cyberskeleton, this ended up not being the case so why else would they really care about anything David would have to offer? He can’t give much info on Militech, he can’t use their cyber skeleton as well as they wanted to, and making him into another Adam Smasher wouldn’t be a great idea considering David hates Arisaka. They don’t really have a great reason to use soul killer on him and Adam Smasher blowing his brains out doesn’t exactly help matters.
Yeah but he is one of the only people that was dipping in and out of cyberphycosis. Without meds to at some points under immense stress from his implants
“You know, you could prove an interesting construct.” “Whatever, choom. Like I give a shit.” “Oh, well.” *BLAM!* David’s story ends there, he could’ve become a construct but he refused. RIP
The biggest issue that exists with this theory is the method of engram creation specifically requires the Soulkiller program, iirc. And while Arasaka *could* use this on David, even someone with a high Humanity score like David may not be on Arasaka's radar. However, a whole lot of things are possible. Maybe the gunshot didn't kill him and the higher ups decide to deploy Soulkiller on him to use his engram for cyberpsycho research? While I'm not 100% sold on it, I'm open to it at the very least. But maybe I missed something in my logic here, I could be missing something huge, would be fun to fill in that gap in knowledge
@@tingting240 in the end he wasn't that special when it came down to resisting all the chrome. we see him fight the one person that's pretty much all chrome minus his brain. If it wasn't for the immunosupressors, David wouldn't have been able to reach Lucy in the first place.
the whole point of episode six onward is david being arasakas unknowing Guiney pig. bro is dead af. adam says "you'd make an interesting construct kid" with david replying the equivalent of "go fuck yourself" followed by smasher caving in davids head with an arm canon. david, much as i hate to say it, is dead.
I imagine in a kinda impossible way that it just cuts straight to where he was killed and he’s still alive climbing out back into night city and going to his ripperdoc
I love Cyberpunk's fandom, not hating on someone for giving false hope but associating it for being the result of grief from a well constructed character story ending in a well constructed narrative
@@raptorboy2704 bro don't be sorry for this piece of shit right here everyone has their own opinions about this don't let him take that away from you tf
Realistically though, he’d still be a cyber psycho when he came back if it works like the doc explained it, your souls getting eaten away at and lost to the chrome. If they resurrected him, he’d still be on the end line of cyberpsychosis
@@KallenScarlet how many shows have you seen where a character has been shot in the head and still lived. how many people in real life have been shot in the head and lived? it's possible, maybe not probable.
@@xox_kookie_xox The very last thing we see of David is him getting shot. Just because they made the visual of him getting shot a creative transition, does not mean that he wasn't killed.
It's a running joke in the tabletop RPG that no matter how many times or ways you kill Adam Smasher, he always comes back. He's got like...triple Platinum Trauma Team Coverage AND he's Arasaka R&D's favorite Guinea Pig for experimental cutting-edge technology. Apparently even a front row seat to a nuclear bomb couldn't do enough damage to Smasher to keep Arasaka from stitching his crazy arse back together again. So yeah...it's possible David's alive in some way, shape, or form. And not necessarily just as a program. His real body was salvageable with Arasaka technology if they thought he was worth the small fortune in materials it would cost to do it. Highly improbable...but possible. He died right on their proverbial doorstep. And they did want to experiment on him in case ya'll forgot....
what do i think 1. Theres no edgerunners 2 planned at all, this was confirmed. 2. The ending was definitive and emotional because of its finality - some stories end and thats a good thing because it makes it more meaningful. 3. Adam gave him that option for soul transfer and he said no - then adam exploded his fucking head imto smithereens. 4. I personally think to have some revenge plot for lucy would not only be corny and stupid - it would fly in the face of the ending. I rate this theory: Preem copium choom.
Also, did you see what happened to Jackie? His engram couldn't even have a conversation or comprehension of anything. V hates seeing that. Saburo was the exception as they spend billions on him since he is the emperor. Johnny was also the highly advanced first ever prototype and this man was in Mikoshi for like 50 years. Just let my man David RIP.
Why though? He already proved he wasn't as special as they thought by succumbing to cyberpsychosis using the Exo skeleton, they got everything they wanted from him, he's not much different than literally any other Cyberpsycho after that
That's just speculation made up by you, we didn't see him grabbed, only being shot in the face so the fact you treat that as truth is really far-fetched, they won't even take David if he went against them which he did and has no purpose in using him.
I would love this, and came up with theories to myself sort of similar to this. But using David's body to make a new, maybe even better Adam Smasher, would be a good investment for Arasaka. And what better theme for a season too, than the adventure of Lucy as she tries to get back David's memory and body
Theory I like to go with is that Adam smasher will end up having difficulties in the next season (if there is one) and while smashers going through it they’ll talk about another construct project they have going on but it’s not operational because it’s not under saka’s complete control yet. Thus leading to the third season where Adam goes full cyberpsycho and they bring out David to protect the tower but david starts seeing parts of his past littered around NC and goes looking for Lucy while having to battle Adam
I love all these theories that David is still alive but there's a 100% guarantee he is still alive with no one knowing how. If you remember David relived the memories of the Cyber psychosis Soldier the man who made that says he needed the main ship that is stored which means every bit of David is on that chip it is unable to be destroyed unless someone actively goes for it
@@giyuudrip3758 yes but we don't know if she was capable of having children because of when she was a kid, they could have removed certain organs they deemed "unnecessary" ORRRRR agreed because luckily Lucy lived lmao
V is literally in his mid to late twenties in 2077. Edgreunners takes place in either 2075 or 2076. Regardless V is older than both David and Lucy. Why are you thinking this?
Adam offered "You could make an interesting construct" David said "whatever choom, like I give a shit" then Adam shot him in the head. Pretty sure Adam destroyed his brain so Arasaka couldn't get his engram. A twisted show of respect to a punk who stood no chance of winning.
he's dead, that ending needed to happen, it cheapens the show to just cancel his death and give them a good ending, the story was written as a tragedy and written well. there is no happy ever after
Wouldn't be David. It'd be an AI that thinks it's David. I feel people keep overlooking that very important lore point from the game. Johnny is dead, he is not the AI. If Johnny's engram is uploaded into V's brain, it's just V thinking they're Johnny as their brain has been rewired. Even if David was selected to be made into an engram (impossible - he's already dead. They tried to do it to Jackie if you send his corpse to Vic's to find out info on V but he's poorly made and barely functioning as a result of working from a dead brain), it wouldn't pass as David in the slightest.
It's honestly amazing how people have gotten so used to shows having bad endings, that they want to take a happy end, David being dead, and turn it into something awful.
Imagine a season2 where Lucy is net running to try to dismantle Arasakas "immortality" program because maybe they're supporting it with unethical practices or smtn, only to learn that David is being stored as part of the program, so if she destroys the program, she loses any chance of getting David back
@@CptnXplosion not possible since Alt literally absorbs all the engrams in Mikoshi and depending on the ending (nomad) the aldecaldos steal so much tech and valuables that I'm sure the building will be shut down for a while.
in the game theres a side mission were you can talk to falco on text messages and he talks about what happened in the anime and he says he is the only one left alive
Apart from his head being blown by arasaka Remember that on 4/5 endings mostly you destroy Mikoshi and alt assimilates all the engrams stored, so yeah, if they could piece together something from David “not probable” it’s already deep in cyberspace
I believe this was just the tip of the iceberg for the cyberpunk franchise. We'll definitely see more of this in the coming future but it will feature a whole sets of different characters, settings and time. As for David, i believe he's truly gone but anything ia possible. It's all up to the creators.
Personally I hope they don't bring him back as some cyborg zombie like everyone says. David's death is the whole point of the anime and it's most defining moment. It doesn't matter how special, or strong you are, when you blindly fly too close to the sun, you get burned. To me bringing him back in anyway would diminish from it's brutal impact
Развлечения
you know it’s a good series when it’s been a month and people are still in denial
*breathes copium*
@@azrieldalusong5042 INJECTS COPIUM
It’s literally Noble 6 all over again
@@cope3415 BECOMES COPIUM
I mean even with the copium of it making David somewhat alive in the series is both good in the game, the anime and lore wise. In the cyberpunk corpo point of view keeping this dude as a specimen rather than killing it off would be more profitable and would really make sense.
First stage of grief: denial
To be fair that's exactly what happened to silverhand
@@attackcrash655
David's head got splattered by Smasher. What even is there to copy onto an engram?
@@tronovonflidder775 no brain = no copy, yeah
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@@tronovonflidder775 we don’t actullay know if they shot him it transitions into a balloon getting exploded
“You WOULD have made an interesting construct”
-Adam Smasher, telling David Martinez he won’t be copied through Soulkiller
That!
Yeah, this
I wonder... does that basically imply that Smasher overheard the corpos discussing this with the higher ups while waiting in that room with them? Or is he just saying that, thinking it to himself, out loud?
I just watched it again, and he's actually basically OFFERING him the option! Holy crap...
He says, "you know, you COULD prove an interesting construct."
David says, "whatever, choom. Like I give a shit."
Smasher replies, "Oh, well."
@@thehipinmyear yeah but did johnny willing become a construct? No? Then makes sense he might be on a chip somewhere
You know an anime is good when you physically and emotionally mourn the loss of that series when it's finished
I remember when I was first watching it, I loved it. I looked up “Will there be a season two of Cyberpunk : Edgerunners?” It said no. Now I know why. 🥲
Fr I just finished it it’s 2024 Sunday January 21 and me a teenager/man cried my eyes out plus he’s Mexican too so 😭
@@idkcouldntpickaname7380sad
And it was only 10eps…. Its been over a year and my heart still aches
"No Bro I swear noble six is alive"
Same energy
He could be
TRUE!!!
He hid in a cave
THE CAVE
With how evil CD Projekt Red writers can be... I can imagine in the Phantom Liberty DLC for Cyberpunk 2077, we get a boss character similar to Adam Smasher, as Adam is either dead or out of commission after the game's events; a no-ganic full borg boss that relentlessly chases after you as you complete missions for the NUSA... And then, during the final fight, the borg started speaking nonsense such as, "to the top of Arasaka-" or "get you to the moon" or "keep running-". Making their characters suffer is very on-brand for CDPR...
I would tear up man
And the boss music stops and i wanna stay at your house starts playing
“This mess my fault”
I don’t think any amount of copium could help that
That’s possible but all we know is phantom liberty is before the ending so we don’t know if Adam is dead or alive during the dlc
On the official reddit from the creator's of cyberpunk, THEY CONFIRMED HIS DEATH IS CANON. STAY STRONG MY FELLOW SOLDIERS!!!
Wasn’t sliverhand’s death also a confirmation as well? Look where he is now: rent free in V’s head
@@mugenokami2201 silver hand still did die , nothing changed that , the engram technically isn't even really him , it's just a digitized psyche of what he would be like (also mixed with the 50 years of arasaka altering his memories) so V isn't really talking to the real johnny silverhand just an AI who thinks he's him basically , which is also what happens to V in every ending where he connects to mikoshi and get put back in his body . alt literally tells him V died and a digital psyche will be put back in ur body thinking it's V
@@mugenokami2201silver hand is dead, but a construct. David is dead, and Adam smasher offered him to be a construct, but David denied and got shot in the head. 0 chance
@@invert8505 I know he is dead. Didn’t know bout if the headshot fucked up any chance of getting David as a digi construct or not. As for the reason behind that? It’s cyberpunk. Look at all the medical bullshitery they pull off.
@@mugenokami2201true, I’m just saying chances are David’s gone since I’m sure they would’ve killed silverhand before turning him into an engram if they had that option, so the technology probably doesn’t work on corpses
"david martínez is still alive"
Smasher's arm cannon: 🌚
One thing I learned in anime:
off screen death=alive
Davids death wasn't offscreened though
@@odeiomelao it was
@@tekko2903 no it wasn’t, you see Adam smasher shoot him square in the head
@@Jarasonic327 no, we don't see it, we just see red screen, no dead body, nothing
@@tekko2903 we quite literally saw his head blow tf up.......
some prime copium bro, the dude got his head blown out without ever getting the chance to be put in the soul killer chair
And Adam smasher says that he'd maybe make an interesting construct but fuck it, it's too late for that and shoots him in the head. I think they've done it so people wouldn't say that Arasaka made a construct out of him but the need to cope is too strong.
Remember we actually didn't get to see him die, that's the point. We are made to assume he is dead.
@@drnobody1908 you literaly see a fountan of blood comming from the center of his face after you hear a gunshot
@@phoenixeye4610 but we don't get to see his body or the gunshot itself. Your not familiar with CD project red are you, they pull the old smoke and mirrors all the time when it comes to character deaths. Yeah they're brutal and sometimes they stay Dead about 50% of the time but still they love doing that.
@@drnobody1908 nah, my boi David is dead, and no level of cope is going to bring him back
Still in the denial stage of grief. We here for you brother
If he is still alive, i'd shed tear's because i loved the anime and loved the story. Lucy deserves it.
Insane amount of copeium, David literally said to fuck off and getting killed in the end, he's gone
And Smasher's last lines were "You'd make an interesting construct." What's Johnny? A construct. Who would make a good construct for Arasaka to test on? David.
@@aaronlemieux2217 IN 2077 tho depending on what is the "cannon" ending is. even if arasaka did do this to him. He is now with Alt not arisaka
@@poogles2866 That's true. Gone with Alt beyond the Blackwall, into the old net. If only we knew someone that kept diving into the old net trying to find things that had been lost there...
Fitting a little too neatly, yet?
@@aaronlemieux2217 but Johnny was at arasaka with the head of arasaka using soul killer on him when he was still alive and you didn't finish what smasher said he said "you'd make an interesting construct...... oh well" then shoots David in the head so it's impossible
@@aaronlemieux2217 whatever choom, like I give a shit
did I just get spoiled by some random notification lmao
😂😂
Yep
That’s so f*cked up. 💀 I would have traded in my phone after that one.🗿
I got spoiled by the game when I found David's drink for sale at Afterlife and remembered only dead people get drinks named after them.
That’s rough sorry bruh
Bringing David back would ruin what Season 1 was.
Meanwhile, people forget that V literally nuked Mikoshi with Alt.
The Wiki says "Cunningham forced all the occupants to merge with her".
Meaning that if Arasaka used Soulkiller on David she have access to his engram.
@@miguelinemag5486and she would've basically ate his engram and fused it with herself...
I prefer the idea that Adam killed David at the end to spare him this fate, not out of sympathy or as a reward for giving him a decent fight, but out of a kind of "might as well" sense of apathy.
I doubt it I think I read somewhere adam smasher is so evil cyberpsychosis doesn't effect him since he is already insane
On brand for the universe and for adam
@@Rxert I’m pretty sure the reason is because cyber psychos happens becuase of underlying psychotic tendencies or loss of humanity meaning Adam was already there before he even installed a single piece of chrome so he didn’t become insane but instead just more psychopathic
@@Rxert It's not really that, but as you see in the series, the more people are chromed up, the more they feel that they lost something and start longing for the past (Maine with his running, David with his mother).
Adam Smasher simply didnt feel that way, he is a psychopath so he has no empathy towards his victims. There was nothing to make him conflicted about the life he was living as he wanted to be what he is from the beginning, unlike cyberpunks who get chromed up as a means to an end.
I think it's more in the line of Adam doesn't leave people alive. Arasaka doesn't send him to keep people alive they send him in to wipe the slate clean
I just want lucy and david to be together again
This right here 🥹🫡
Literally same I'm in so much denial💀💀💀🥹🥹
Real this is why I'm taking copious amounts of copium
Now Lucy will have to live alone with no friends cuz they’re all gone 😭
@@CLPXZdid you forget about the getaway driver dude?
Imagine a DLC called “Edgerunner Always” where you get to play along side Lucy in game in a hunt for David.
well we got an expention called phantom liberty
*David Martinez’s head exploding like a watermelon from Adam Smasher’s advanced arm cannon*
Guys David is alive
It was never shown that way
@@maxtheice2891yes. Yes it was
@@davidm2031just showed a splash of red, which can be misleading, since every death in Edgerunners was repeated 3 times before they died.
@@MrldDaDogeno need to cope for fictional characters
@@WilLop-ck9qo I’m neutral abt it. He could have died, but so far, his death was off screen, and there’s possible theories that prove he’s alive.
Until then, he could be dead or alive
Creators said a second season isn’t planned in happening… for the time being it’s over😔
A second season doesn't even need to touch on the same characters. You know?
I wanna see someone else's story now. Maybe end it with them getting flat-lined by David so we assume season two occurred off screen during season one
You gave me hope with this, until the end when you said Lucy fighting him. Thats when I got depressed and didn't want this to happen 😂
I think he said Find not Fight
@@WristTapeDrowzzy ahh shit yeah you right, i didn't have headphones on the first time I watched, so it sounded like fight at first. Thanks for correcting me
@@floatin_g cd projekt red the type of evil mfers to make us fight him as a side mission or in the main story in the next dlc
I just realized, it's entirely possible that the cyberskeleton had the soulkiller built into it.
It's a pretty far reach, and they said themselves that there isn't gonna be a second season, but it's still a tiny possibility.
Adam Smasher: U could prove an interesting construct."
David being alive just goes against everything that makes a story in the cyberpunk universe satisfying/bittersweet. It’s all about having the freedom to go out how you want in a world where all other “freedoms” are influenced/controlled by corpos. Also they basically confirmed him not becoming a construct when smasher mentions it to him and David says “fuck that”
Night city never loses baby
I disagree. I think he’s still alive because of that whole scene, they just wanted to see if he would do it willingly, just my take though.
True, but they could also just do it anyway. Johnny didn’t have any say in being a chip. They just forced him to be one.
Doesn’t matter either way, we’ll never know if they tried it or not so he’s just dead.
@@thotobliterator1587 Johnny was also alive and conscious when they did it, not dead. We see what happens when Arasaka take someone that is already dead and use soul killer (Jackie). Doesn't end well.
Well obviously look at Johnny everyone thought he died but look he’s alive
I think we’re forgetting that the whole point that Arisaka wanted to experiment with him was because they thought he would be cyberpsycho-resistant enough to use their cyberskeleton, this ended up not being the case so why else would they really care about anything David would have to offer? He can’t give much info on Militech, he can’t use their cyber skeleton as well as they wanted to, and making him into another Adam Smasher wouldn’t be a great idea considering David hates Arisaka. They don’t really have a great reason to use soul killer on him and Adam Smasher blowing his brains out doesn’t exactly help matters.
Well there's always other projects that could use his resistance to tons of chrome
@@AbdefFable1 One would assume AI is inherently resistant to chrome
To be fair David could've prob used the exosuit if he wasn't already chromed out like crazy
@@attackcrash655 well the reason they though he might be able to was because he was chromed out in the first place
Yeah but he is one of the only people that was dipping in and out of cyberphycosis. Without meds to at some points under immense stress from his implants
Cyberpunk 2123: Davids return
“You know, you could prove an interesting construct.”
“Whatever, choom. Like I give a shit.”
“Oh, well.”
*BLAM!*
David’s story ends there, he could’ve become a construct but he refused. RIP
Dawg this is just hard cope, my man David’s head is a fine red paste rn
The biggest issue that exists with this theory is the method of engram creation specifically requires the Soulkiller program, iirc. And while Arasaka *could* use this on David, even someone with a high Humanity score like David may not be on Arasaka's radar.
However, a whole lot of things are possible. Maybe the gunshot didn't kill him and the higher ups decide to deploy Soulkiller on him to use his engram for cyberpsycho research? While I'm not 100% sold on it, I'm open to it at the very least.
But maybe I missed something in my logic here, I could be missing something huge, would be fun to fill in that gap in knowledge
yes! David keeps telling everyone that he was special, maybe that was the clue!! and his actually alive!!
David would have to die either way for his mind to be put on engram. Did you kiss that partbin the game or did you play it
@@tingting240 in the end he wasn't that special when it came down to resisting all the chrome. we see him fight the one person that's pretty much all chrome minus his brain. If it wasn't for the immunosupressors, David wouldn't have been able to reach Lucy in the first place.
the whole point of episode six onward is david being arasakas unknowing Guiney pig. bro is dead af. adam says "you'd make an interesting construct kid" with david replying the equivalent of "go fuck yourself" followed by smasher caving in davids head with an arm canon. david, much as i hate to say it, is dead.
@@Cutebear376 arm cannons can use tranq rounds, they're not always for quick kill headshots on stronger enemies like Maine and David did 🤷🏾♂️
Imagine in the dlc for 2077 show david, v and jackie from the soul killer program
Bro‘s going on a full William Afton ark rn
Nope, massive cope. Joined ranks with tony soprano homie died
and here I was thinking you were going to do the Beyonce "Unique" meme...
David was more special than Adam Smasher
Don't do that. Don't give me hope.
And she could hire V to help since he's clearly the Messiah of Night City
Nah that’s Joshua
I imagine in a kinda impossible way that it just cuts straight to where he was killed and he’s still alive climbing out back into night city and going to his ripperdoc
I love Cyberpunk's fandom, not hating on someone for giving false hope but associating it for being the result of grief from a well constructed character story ending in a well constructed narrative
I feel like this is cope
If he’s not alive I hope they like to do season two where Lucy meets V and she sees him wearing David’s jacket.
You hope for that? I hope you're hella wrong, we need new characters, new stories, David and Lucy's story ended stop huffing on copium
@@jhinwick5251 sorry for what I wrote
@@raptorboy2704 bro don't be sorry for this piece of shit right here everyone has their own opinions about this don't let him take that away from you tf
not an entire season but rather a short ep or a small interaction in-game
Realistically though, he’d still be a cyber psycho when he came back if it works like the doc explained it, your souls getting eaten away at and lost to the chrome. If they resurrected him, he’d still be on the end line of cyberpsychosis
David was/is one of my fav characters of all time
Furthermore, Adam Smasher says "you would make an interesting construct" before killing David.
And then immediately after David tells him to fuck off and Adam shoots him anyway
@@KallenScarlet how many shows have you seen where a character has been shot in the head and still lived. how many people in real life have been shot in the head and lived? it's possible, maybe not probable.
@@donaldmashburn1039 He wasn't just shot in the head. He was shot in the head, point-blank, by a gun that could tear through military grade armor.
Even though he shot it wasn't shown if he actual killed him so that's unconfirmed
@@xox_kookie_xox The very last thing we see of David is him getting shot. Just because they made the visual of him getting shot a creative transition, does not mean that he wasn't killed.
Adam both visually and textually said to David that he'd kill him seconds before a very heavily implied execution
It's a running joke in the tabletop RPG that no matter how many times or ways you kill Adam Smasher, he always comes back. He's got like...triple Platinum Trauma Team Coverage AND he's Arasaka R&D's favorite Guinea Pig for experimental cutting-edge technology. Apparently even a front row seat to a nuclear bomb couldn't do enough damage to Smasher to keep Arasaka from stitching his crazy arse back together again.
So yeah...it's possible David's alive in some way, shape, or form. And not necessarily just as a program. His real body was salvageable with Arasaka technology if they thought he was worth the small fortune in materials it would cost to do it. Highly improbable...but possible. He died right on their proverbial doorstep. And they did want to experiment on him in case ya'll forgot....
A season two where Lucy goes after David would be an absolute godsend
"You spared Oda. So very... human! And disgusting. Mercy is disgusting."
-Adam Smasher
“Who the fuck are you?”
-Adam Smasher
seems someone is hitting the copium so hard that forgot that Trigger never brings back death ones and enjoys closing with bittersweet endings
Adam Smasher said David that he could be an interesting construct, however David answered that he would rather die as a human
what do i think
1. Theres no edgerunners 2 planned at all, this was confirmed.
2. The ending was definitive and emotional because of its finality - some stories end and thats a good thing because it makes it more meaningful.
3. Adam gave him that option for soul transfer and he said no - then adam exploded his fucking head imto smithereens.
4. I personally think to have some revenge plot for lucy would not only
be corny and stupid - it would fly in the face of the ending.
I rate this theory: Preem copium choom.
the grabbed Jackie wells after he was dead they 100% grabbed David
Jackie's brain was intact. Adam turned David's entire neck up into a thin paste
What more could they possibly get out of David that Arasaka doesn't already know.
Also, did you see what happened to Jackie? His engram couldn't even have a conversation or comprehension of anything. V hates seeing that. Saburo was the exception as they spend billions on him since he is the emperor. Johnny was also the highly advanced first ever prototype and this man was in Mikoshi for like 50 years. Just let my man David RIP.
Why though? He already proved he wasn't as special as they thought by succumbing to cyberpsychosis using the Exo skeleton, they got everything they wanted from him, he's not much different than literally any other Cyberpsycho after that
That's just speculation made up by you, we didn't see him grabbed, only being shot in the face so the fact you treat that as truth is really far-fetched, they won't even take David if he went against them which he did and has no purpose in using him.
This what i call post cyberpunk denial after every ending you want happy ending but never will be that night city curse
in a AMA on the r/edgerunners subreddit, the creators of the show confirmed david’s death. he is dead. this show was so good man.
I would love this, and came up with theories to myself sort of similar to this. But using David's body to make a new, maybe even better Adam Smasher, would be a good investment for Arasaka. And what better theme for a season too, than the adventure of Lucy as she tries to get back David's memory and body
He wouldn't be better than Adam. Adam was the peak of chrome. When David got half as much chrome as Adam, he started bugging out.
@@magentawool2556 touché
@@PeterTheBoredOne still, it would have been an amazing ending.
David refused the opportunity to live on and so was an enemy to Arasaka, they have no use for him.
Theory I like to go with is that Adam smasher will end up having difficulties in the next season (if there is one) and while smashers going through it they’ll talk about another construct project they have going on but it’s not operational because it’s not under saka’s complete control yet. Thus leading to the third season where Adam goes full cyberpsycho and they bring out David to protect the tower but david starts seeing parts of his past littered around NC and goes looking for Lucy while having to battle Adam
But smasher is dead cuz of V
Pretty sure Adam smasher can’t go cyberpsyco
@@Jarasonic327 i think in His Case He Always Had a Form of psychosis and learned to live with it He didnt feel human anyway
@Obscure Wondering i think in the Canon ending he's dead but thats Just tabletop wise but they still have His construct
Adam Smasher is already psychotic. He's so far detached from his humanity that he barely has any meat left and still operates just fine.
Imprisoned souls.
Sounds like a kind of hell, ask Spawn.
As much as this is nice to think about, Smasher zeroed his ass. No link or hack means no soul killer, no engram.
It's a possibility. I mean Adam Smasher did say something similar to he would be a fun project or he had potential.
The problem is David refused the opportunity so death is Adam's reward.
I love all these theories that David is still alive but there's a 100% guarantee he is still alive with no one knowing how. If you remember David relived the memories of the Cyber psychosis Soldier the man who made that says he needed the main ship that is stored which means every bit of David is on that chip it is unable to be destroyed unless someone actively goes for it
Not all of him, just when he was using the sandevistan
Please don't tell me your entire basis for this is a Brain Dance
@@JowoeBunchaNumbers yes
_Just keep runnin'_
“That nigga dead”- Kevin
This sounds like something they would do… although I’m in denial still, I think the current ending is a good ending
Anyone else like to act that David and Lucy are V's parents from time to time? lol
can happen tho, since David and Lucy have segs everyday
@@giyuudrip3758 yes but we don't know if she was capable of having children because of when she was a kid, they could have removed certain organs they deemed "unnecessary" ORRRRR agreed because luckily Lucy lived lmao
The events of 2077 happened only a couple of years after Edgerunner. V would've been a kid. Impossible.
@@LeonardoBerrios edgerunner is set in 2076, so yeah, you are right, it's an impossibility.
V is already older than both of them iirc.
V is literally in his mid to late twenties in 2077. Edgreunners takes place in either 2075 or 2076. Regardless V is older than both David and Lucy. Why are you thinking this?
This is why Adam smasher didn't panic when he was killed by V because he has probably been downloaded onto an engram
Adam Smasher: Nah
Adam offered "You could make an interesting construct" David said "whatever choom, like I give a shit" then Adam shot him in the head. Pretty sure Adam destroyed his brain so Arasaka couldn't get his engram. A twisted show of respect to a punk who stood no chance of winning.
he's dead, that ending needed to happen, it cheapens the show to just cancel his death and give them a good ending, the story was written as a tragedy and written well. there is no happy ever after
he was offered to become a construct. he said nah and got shot in da head
i just finished the show today. it took me only three hours to watch the series but it was a wonderful journey
Wouldn't be David. It'd be an AI that thinks it's David. I feel people keep overlooking that very important lore point from the game.
Johnny is dead, he is not the AI. If Johnny's engram is uploaded into V's brain, it's just V thinking they're Johnny as their brain has been rewired.
Even if David was selected to be made into an engram (impossible - he's already dead. They tried to do it to Jackie if you send his corpse to Vic's to find out info on V but he's poorly made and barely functioning as a result of working from a dead brain), it wouldn't pass as David in the slightest.
His brain got splattered, even a relic couldnt have saved him
this would be a dope DLC for cyberpunk and it would still hold relavence to the main story we played before seeing the show
It's honestly amazing how people have gotten so used to shows having bad endings, that they want to take a happy end, David being dead, and turn it into something awful.
What you explained is just the whole Alt and Johnny story line essentially lol
“Hey bro i swear ghost was alive in the original mw2”
Rebecca and David need to comeback but there will be no season 2 lol
"I swear to god man, the pilots of apollo 1 didn't die in the explosion"
Idc how chromed David got; that first Cyberpsycho scene completely trumped the rest of the fights
Imagine a season2 where Lucy is net running to try to dismantle Arasakas "immortality" program because maybe they're supporting it with unethical practices or smtn, only to learn that David is being stored as part of the program, so if she destroys the program, she loses any chance of getting David back
And yah, it kind of invalidates the ending, but could be a cool setup to break us all over again
@@CptnXplosion not possible since Alt literally absorbs all the engrams in Mikoshi and depending on the ending (nomad) the aldecaldos steal so much tech and valuables that I'm sure the building will be shut down for a while.
You missed the part when David's head got blown the fuck up by smasher apparently.
Bro.
David is literally on the memorial.
"You never took me to the moon but you were there with me."
- Lucy.
in the game theres a side mission were you can talk to falco on text messages and he talks about what happened in the anime and he says he is the only one left alive
David Martinez is alive is the new Noble 6 is hiding in a cave
Video: David could still be alive
Us chooms: that’s shiny but we want Rebecca
Me noticing him say prime instead of preem
i like the few frames with CalebCity doing one of his skits
Smasher thought about it for a second before literally saying "Oh well" as he turned David's head into a puddle
did this man really just say ‘putting story implications aside’ like bro you cannot put them aside
You forgot one thing though wrong city and wrong people.
Apart from his head being blown by arasaka
Remember that on 4/5 endings mostly you destroy Mikoshi and alt assimilates all the engrams stored, so yeah, if they could piece together something from David “not probable” it’s already deep in cyberspace
I hope the sequel would drop you as an amnesiac david in a cloned body.
I believe this was just the tip of the iceberg for the cyberpunk franchise. We'll definitely see more of this in the coming future but it will feature a whole sets of different characters, settings and time. As for David, i believe he's truly gone but anything ia possible.
It's all up to the creators.
nah bro cyberpunk 2 protagonist having david martinez in his head instead of silverhand
Personally I hope they don't bring him back as some cyborg zombie like everyone says. David's death is the whole point of the anime and it's most defining moment. It doesn't matter how special, or strong you are, when you blindly fly too close to the sun, you get burned. To me bringing him back in anyway would diminish from it's brutal impact
This is how Warhammer 40k begins
Considering what Smasher tells him in the end : NO.
Not when your brain is littered in the street
I feel like this is a theory someone would come up with if they didn't watch the show
Kills the soul soulkiller. This is the teleportation problem all over again.