The Power of Tragedy: Cyberpunk Edgerunners
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I feel bad for Rebecca. This girl loved David but was ok with just helping him no matter what even though she would never get to be with him
That's a true friend.
BRO
Yes the many would call the tru best girl.
Edit: also just really love her voice actress whether the English or Japanese version.
And that's what real love looks like
Why is everyone saying she's in love with david? I literally just saw it as a best friend type, you know, without romantic love, that kind of friendship is possible if ya'll cant fathom the idea. And I think rebecca knows david is Lucy's man, she woulndt do something as scummy as falling in love with her friend's boyfriend
I still love that in the actual Cyberpunk game at the afterlife bar you can order the 'David Martinez' drink and it's like 50% carbonated, something David actually doesn't like.
Some say he made it based on what Lucy liked.
You can also have his jacket sent to you as a gift from Falco, who says V reminds him alot of David :')
Fun Fact: This coctail was in the game even before Edgerunners came out. Nice touch to the lore.
Falco had to pull one last prank.
...well David ain't gonna be drinkin the 'David' now is he?
If only Adam Smasher was that cool in the actual boss fight but they unfortunately gave him the General Grievous treatment
So uncivilized!
Nah, at this point he deserves to be a metallic punching bag
I think it's more like, a reverse Grievous moment. Smasher was in the game, being a bit disappointing FIRST, and then expanded on his true might during a prequel that came out later.
Unlike Grievous, who first appeared in Tartakovsky's Clone Wars decimating an entire party of Jedi, only to be completely worthless in the movie that came out later.
@@Kurotaisa
Nay it’s totally a grievous treatment followed by a correction since cyberpunk the table top franchise is like 30 years old. In the TTRPG Adam Smasher was basically the party killer.
G.M pulls em out whenever PCs fuck over arasaka one too many times
Thuse make me wish the boss fights in the game is hard as at least Souls-like games like Sekiro or maybe Doom Eternal (for FPS style). Imagine if Adam Smasher have similar sandavistan, heavily layered armors, fast attack combos, etc.
I like how David and Lucy never say "I love you." Yet, everyone knows that they love each other.
A case of actions speaking louder than words
Facts
no but that's the thing. they didn't. they were both selfish. he wanted to die in maines shadow, and she wanted the moon. they didn't want eachother. that's why it's a tragedy. misguided. you think after a week alone on the moon. she thought, yeah this was worth it. no. wheres my fucking friend sobbing angry at herself and him is what she'd be thinking.
It's ironic that it becomes more tragic when you realise, nothing really changed. History won't remember these people or their actions
I know grimdark is supposed to be Cyberpunk's whole thing, but I honestly don't like the ending being that bleak, especially because the setting for the world is a direct mirror to our own.
@@ShonenEnjoyer thats the point, its supposed to mirror our world and end darkly because the entire genre is a warning about the road we are heading down as a society
@@mookiestewart3776 warning taken now get the depression out of my face
No but they do, and that's all that really matters on the end.
David has a drink named after him in the Afterlife
I think you misread Adam Smasher.
Cyberpsychosis happens when your augmentation outweighs your humanity. As you replace bits that make you human, you slowly lose the ability to be human.
David, being such an empathetic and loving person, had a lot of humanity to lose. He could take all the gear because he had so much to lose.
Adam though was already an inhuman monster. Black ops guy killing for profit. Nothing to lose by getting chromed up.
Not to mention, in the lore, one of his requests when he works with Arasaka is literally to be given jobs where he can cause civilian causalties
@@bluegem8582 Absolutely. The more you learn about him the more you realize he's just Id incarnate. Dude just wanted to kill and satisfy his rage.
You can't be more machine than man if you were never human to begin with.
Adam Smasher *is* a cyberpsycho, according to Mike Pondsmith himself. He's just basically indistinguishable from the way he was before, because he was already a psychopath. Cyberpsychosis can manifest in a lot of different ways, "total psychotic break from reality and delusions" is only one of them. One of the most common ones is "You completely lose your ability to relate, stop seeing other people as people, and you start seeing them as parts and meat", which... Adam Smasher already did, so nothing changed.
I just love how Lucy doesn't actually stop David from becoming a cyberpsycho but only delays the effects of using his enhancements ever so slightly. This anime was honestly one of the best I have ever seen. Not one of my favorite series, but I would gladly watch it over and over again and find myself something new to appreciate every single time.
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@@jasong.3991yeah, agree
Rebecca was the one character (besides David) who I was distraught about dying. By that point I knew she was gonna die but that didn’t change how heartbreaking it was cause she was such a damn good character.
worse when she may have lived evem for few more seconds
She made quite a dumb move there...
They cheapened her death with that fucking disgusting quadruple replay
@@Cosmo_P0litani mean even Adam Smasher didn't intend to kill her yst. He just jumping from the top and somehow there's someone on his landing spot
@arcadius6770 its in the family though
This anime left me absolutely drained by the end of it in a way that few shows have ever done 😟
Know what you mean. Way better then the game tho.
@@itsblitz4437Both are amazing
Womp womp
@@XTRMXPRTKILRrandom kids on their way to say “womp womp” over a year old sad anime
@@gamingcat1384 overreacting
Few things. First; David is the Manic Pixie Dream Boy for Lucy, not the other way around, surprisingly. He's the optimistic game-changer of a character who, even if he isn't following his own goals, isn't surrendering either. He might go to work for Maine, but he *got* that job by pushing for it over just getting his spine ripped out. Same with giving Lucy actual hope of achieving her dream, and not just letting it be a fantasy.
Second, Cyberpsychosis is entirely down to mental health. It's got next to nothing to do with having tech specifically. Really, Cyberpsychosis is dysphoria on steroids. After a pointed note of how ableist the concept was toward disabled people with prosthetics (effectively calling them 'less human,') Mike Pondsmith, the creator of Cyberpunk, walked out the concept that *replacements* for human parts were never going to cause any Humanity loss mechanically. Lose an arm at work, get a robot one to replace it and nothing more, and it's completely fine. As such, the distinction is made in losing your sense of self through making yourself a weapon, a killing machine, over a human. So David being unusually resistant to Cyberpsychosis, and Adam being straight up immune, isn't due to any "special" traits, it's that David was a *very* well cared for kid with realistic ambitions and running tech that he just accepted he could do inherently. The Sandie was just a part of him, his natural evolution and something David adopted into his persona remarkably well, to the point he could use it so often without issue. Really, by contrast the rest of the stuff he goes through save the Cyberskeleton shouldn't be doing *any* damage to his sanity. ...But that's not what's hurting him.
It's losing Maine. It's losing the crew in general, watching people who put their trust in him like Julio (the guy who got gibbed on his first mission) die, gradually losing his relationship with Lucy and feeling more and more alone by the day, shouldering these legacies. It's exactly when David runs out of functional emotional supports in his life (bar Rebecca who keeps him going by the skin of his teeth, bless her) that he slips closer and closer to the edge... And then he puts on the suit that he physically can't even wear without hacking off all his limbs, fully sacrificing his sense of self to save Lucy. That, above all else, is when his slip into cyberpsycho status becomes a doomed course. ...Adam's just in the same boat, to boot.
It's not brought up in story, but Adam was once just a normal human who washed out of the military and went mercenary instead, then caught a rocket to the gut saving his friends. His friends would haul the chunks of him left back home, where Arasaka stooges would offer him a simple choice; die, or become a soldier for them rebuilt as a full-body cyborg. He chose the latter. Adam actually follows that rule above about *replacements* being totally fair game in-system, given he had so little left functionally. It's true, he's a dark shadow of what David could have become had he chosen to follow the corporate structure to the top, but his 'emotional support' was always the fact he was a shockingly well-adjusted murderous bastard. He's the guy who wore Hard Rock Cafe t-shirts while he was gunning down folks uncaring of collateral. Becoming Night City's boogeyman was just standard faire for a man who had so little empathy in the first place. Now, Pondsmith has actually doubled back on things sometimes, like claiming Adam (and V, and David) are actually "high-functioning Cyberpsychos" but given how often he's contradicted himself, I'm happy to follow my interpretation for my table.
David *was* special because he had a glimmer of hope and a socially well-adjusted life ahead of him, whether he was in class or with Maine's gang. Such a shame the lack of mental health care in Night City falls to just "More, heavier medication."
Would love to see a follow-up vid on Rebecca. Easily the fav character for a lot of people, and one who gets shipped with David a *lot,* to the point of a One True Threesome with them and a (potentially jealous) Lucy being well liked in the community.
(Edited to correct mixing up David and Adam in one sentence.)
Personally I think Cyberpsychosis is fully mental, simply because the people who go full psycho *always* get put in a position where they're pushed over the amount of stress, anxiety, etc their mind can handle. It's basically like taking a full-blown burnout and putting it on steroids, it doesn't matter how good you are at handling stress and how many crutches you have, eventually (if you don't give your mind time to recuperate, process and heal), you *will* snap.
Btw, this is just my interpretation of cyberpsychosis based on what little I know of mental health.
Wow well explained on the cyberpsychosis and paraphrase by Mike Pondsmith.
Nah, i don't think Lucy is willing to share and David has only eyes for her
@@PancakemonsterFO4 I think that, deep down, we all know that. We just wanted good things for Rebecca and who wouldn’t. She deserves something good!
@@joshuaharris3039 ok yeah she does have it the hardest of the entire crew but you know, its a anime trope of having another girl beides the Main girl that desires the Main chatacter but cant have him (like Nia from Xenoblade) at this point. Still wish her death was more meaningful, she would have wanted it that way
absolutely loved the brief glimpse of David at the end for some reason. I was barely holding my tears watching Lucy in her astronaut suit then that smile with David pre-time skip and the dam just broke. I couldn't stop crying intil midway through the credits.
He was just an innocent 17 year old man...
@@RosaDFreeman so lucy was a bit older?
Lol
Youre going to love to know that the scene actually happened.
As we know Cyberware is deeply affected by human emotion.
In this moment on the moon Lucy was so emotional that her cyberware, most likely her eyes or otherwise, literally showed her David.
Just a fun detail. It wasn't just random
One of my favorite shows ever, no cap.
same
Definitely anime of the year.
It honestly almost surpasses Trigger’s Kill La Kill in my opinion
Edgerunners is proof that healthcare should be free
I, too, base all of my philosophical beliefs on fictional stories where the authors have intentionally created a world to specifically sell the philosophy I believe in.
Every other industrialized nation in the world has a version of health insurance provided by the government. Good argument against cheaper health care for us though. Got em lmfao@@tylerblank6491
@@tylerblank6491 Free healthcare is a good thing.
And fictional stories absolutely can help shape someone's beliefs.
@joaomarcoscosta4647 "free" Healthcare isn't free tho. And if it was actually "free" then it would be a situation where the provider of Healthcare (doctors, nurses, lab techs, etc) has their labor coerced from them for no compensation, aka slavery. I think doctors and nurses should be compensated for their labor, so I definitely don't think "free" Healthcare is a good idea.
@@tylerblank6491 Being pedantic about the definition of "free" does not make it any less of a good policy
On 01:56 Gloria (David’s mother) worked as an EMT for the City and not TraumaTeam (the private health company). Trauma Team automatically gives their employees a care package (though not platinum obviously) so they would have helped her if she worked for them. Trained medics are hard to come by in Cyberpunk so companies like Trauma Team do their best to keep theirs on their payroll.
Why didnt they get marked as clients after the crash then?
@@AdminP4nda Because Trauma Team is a subscription service. They only help those who have a plan with them, not go to places people are injured and look for clients. Gloria and David didn’t have any kind of package with TT so got left for the city emergency services to deal with.
Only unrealistic thing is the private megacorp being better to their employees than the public owned company lol
@DUFFAL02 Trauma Team's entire selling point is that they WILL save you. They'll bleed you dry, but if you've got the Eddies, you are not going to die on their watch. Therefore, they need their workers to be actually good and motivated at their jobs, or their service doesn't deliver as promised, and people stop using them.
Another sad part is the fact that the creator of cyberpunk said that going cyberpsycho can only be prevented by having emotional and mental strength, and that means David’s death could have been prevented if Lucy would just keep going on missions with David because she is the one who can keep him mentally stable.
David was pretty much fucked; if Lucy stayed with him the Arasaka hackers would have tracked them and if she kept killing the hackers it would make David go cyberpsycho, which is what happens in the anime
Yeah it’s tragic because both were trying so hard to secure their relationship, but their world and troublesome pasts denied them of it. David was chroming up like a madman and fighting so hard to secure Lucy her dream, meanwhile Lucy could give less of a shit about the moon and was only focused on tracking the hackers attempting to find David and subject him to the experiments she once went through. David was depressed and insecure about his inability to help/protect his loved ones while Lucy was afraid of Arasaka taking and torturing David for profit like they once did her. Both isolated themselves for the sake of the other despite how bad they needed each others comfort. The worst part is as you say, no matter what they did tragedy would follow.
Lucy and David are a tragedy that makes me almost cry whenever someone talks about them and I love it.
However, I do think adding Rebecca into it, makes it one of the *best* love triangles (or at least one-sided love trope) I’ve ever seen (not just in anime but overall) because I usually hate the trope but I love how it’s executed in Edgerunners. Rebecca is not only in love with David but a loyal friend and comrade to him and they have the most wholesome friendship. When she couldn’t have him romantically, the next best thing was just being a true friend to him and seeing him safe and even she couldn’t get that as she is forced to watch him deplete from cyberpsychosis in the finale. Even then, she puts on a smile and tries to help David with his goals, putting her life on the line in the end.
It just adds another layer into the tragedy of how unfair everything in Edgerunners is and I fucking ate that shit up.
tbh i believe thats the most tragic kind of love stories, they were just starting out but cut short.
i dont even watched the show, but im already so sad that lucy will be alone, that i dont even dare to watch edgerunner :C
The fact that studio TRIGGER (the animation studio that produced the show) nearly always give their boy-girl romance couples a tragedy ending in their stories but the homo ones have a sweet ending always makes me lol
They’re serving the community-
they are incredibly based for that
Any recommendation queer anime from them?
@@jess4334 promare and arguably kill la kill
Conclusion: The only way to survive is to become gay
I can’t express how hard this show hit me. I don’t even need I Really Wanna Stay At Your House to play, I can hear it in entirety in my head, and it get massive frisson from it every time. Pure chills
Something I think you missed is the gore film producer Jimmy Kurosaki, didn't actually smile or laugh at David when he died, when it goes back to his face he is not looking at him and isn't smiling. My guess is that it was actually David imagining it as the first sign of his Cyber Psychosis showing. That or it was just a animation error but I think the Psychosis thing is more likely. 11:30
wdym he totally did smile. And I don't see any signs indicating cyber psychosis, and I imagine if it really would be that they would have hinted at that in some shape or form.
@@confusedturtle183 you can't see it in the video but in the show after the camera pans back to his dead body hes looking at the sky with his mouth open in awe not looking at David, note no one else sees him smile or look at David but David.
@@onigarth4802 Just checked and yea I see what you're talking about now. Fair theory then.
Oh no u ruin my day with ur theory um thank u damm now im sad
It would make sense since who knows how many times he forced david to watch his own death in that short time
I’ve been suffering for 3 days now since the show ended. i related to the Lucy and David story a lot. the end completely broke me. after the show i fell into a deep depression. yesterday i couldn’t even eat all day. I’m freaked out because I’ve never had anything like this happen before and would have NEVER thought something like this could exist. i also feel alone/ashamed because i know how it sounds and it’s hard to find someone who has the same situation.
I binged it about 18 hours ago and you described exactly what I feel like I'm going through right now.
Its why im here. Looking up videos like this on RUclips to fill the void right now. We're all alone together 😢
Kind of an old comment, but I'm still gonna be honest, finished watching it yesterday. I was pretty numb to everything and just wanted to not do anything for the rest of the day besides lay somewhere and think about what I had just watched. Actually had to put myself through watching a lot of the scenes again today and heard "I really want to stay at your house" a bit too many times to get myself to cry. All of this over a show I barely expected an emotional reaction out of. Just this is putting it at the top of my lists. I've been thinking about it nonstop honestly, still processing everything, but that only shows how incredibly well written it was. I applaud everyone who worked on Edgerunners. It has been years since I've had a reaction like that to any media, let alone anime.
@@kylehendricksilveralvin5376 yeah man, i never really cried to any shows or anime but this, this made me tear up lmao
I still can’t fill the void… if you stare into the abyss, the abyss stares back.
Stay strong brothers!
Being born into money or a cog in someone else's machine describes this world
Mostly USA
Wrong place, wrong people
@@errorx_x1063 although no country personifies rampant, unchecked capitalism quite like the U.S. does, there are many countries where people are born as child soldiers or starving slaves. Born to live a short, hard, life before meeting an unceremonious end before ever even finishing puberty. Truly a Cog in someone else's machine.
@@errorx_x1063The only people who complain about living in the USA are spoiled little brats who havo even had to work for a living. Fuck off with that bullshit, America is far better than most of yhe world. If you really want to know what being a cog in a machine feels like, move to south korea and live there
Sadly it is most of humanity for most of history
I don't think people will be using the "Spare" option for Adam Smasher. I wonder why 🤔
LOL
I never saw Lucy getting her dream of going to the moon as empty, she grew up underground while working for Arasaka so it make sense she'd pick the most escapist, wild dream of leaving earth altogether. She's just still mourning David with that loss still raw, so all she sees is the the joy of their shared BD and finally smiles again remembering him and only wishing he could be there to experience *this* dream with her also.
tbh i believe thats the most tragic kind of love stories, they were just starting out but cut short.
@@jmgonzales7701 you might like the book they both die at the end
@@Pablo_Martin_aa "you'll like this version, its more depressing"😂😂😂😂
@@Pablo_Martin_aa what's the title of the book?
@@11Survivor they both die at the end, that's the tittle
This video game adaptation gave ARCANE a run for it's money, which is impressive 👏👏👏👏
It made people genuinely retry 2077, which is an achievement even if the game was getting patched over.
@@CreationsFlare Yeah, I hear it's actually good now
A shame that it'll have a final update. Idk if they're planning a sequel, but if they do I'm glad. This sci fi world has so much potential.
@@HaydrogenBomb I had a ton of fun playing it. The combat is a blast, it looks amazing, the characters are great, Keanu Reeves!
@@gokuforhiresooon6301 Sequel is confirmed. Lots more of cyberpunk to come.
Don't you just love romance stories that can only end in tragedy? David and Lucy's dynamic feels a lot like Rock and Revy's from Black Lagoon, just without the romance. The kick-ass pro teaches the newbie how to quickly adapt to their profession and develop a strong bond because of it. These two are also shipped a lot so I'm surprised Sarcastic Chorus hasn't made a video about them.
tbh i believe thats the most tragic kind of love stories, they were just starting out but cut short.
I think you and so many missed the literary/theatrical trick they made with Lucy and Rebecca. Lucy had an outgoing wild personality at the start, the one that David fell for. But at the part she suddenly and abruptly become cold and distant.. and EXACTLY at that moment, literally 1 frame later a small wild gnome appears (Becca) with pure destilled personality of what Luxy had and lost. Becca is a SPLIT of character. It is a literally trick not used often, but it is clear as hell. Becca and Luxy are symbol of what he though he loved and what really deserves love. Also notice Lucy returns and Recca ends also again within 0.5 seconds. It is a branch out return character thing.
yeah tbh it was kinda weird how she was so full of energy then full of wild personality then later on she was cold.
This is the only show I’ve ever really cried at, and I think it might be because I relate to David in some way idk, but it was his final message ‘I wish I could’ve gone to the moon with you’ that got me, as well as the visuals and of course music, I can’t necessarily explain why I love this show so much, because it just clicks with me so perfectly, and mimics my emotions and what I would do, making it ultimately relateable
Added note because I just thought, the whole show, I thought Lucy was going to die, yk, the classic killing off the love interest and being sad, but it was David instead, which completely took me by surprise, I realised about 5 minutes before that he was going to, and that final message I mentioned is what sealed it, and I think because I relate to David, and was living the show through him because of that, it was almost like I was the one who had died (metaphorically obviously) and so it hit harder seeing those around him afterwards
One of the things I feel the show captures well about Night City is how oddly nihilistic it is.
I remember looking up if there were any secret endings or alterations with the 2077 game, and found a dev interview that said it would be limiting. The only thing stopping you from killing anyone in the game is yourself.
It stuck with me as I booted up the game and started doing my usual goody run. I helped. I did the right thing, and it felt.... confining. Mid-way through the game, I had gotten some good shotguns and non-lethal mods, but as I walked around after an encounter, I noticed that some of the people on the floor weren't moving. I'd killed them. And likely had to a lot of other enemies. It was weird because I knew there were no consequences. And this was that staring me in the face.
Later on, I equipped a sword and started going ham on Pacifica enemies. Hours and hours later, but that memory of me staring at my screen at a virtual enemy I'd shotgunned stuck in my head as I sliced up virtual people. And faced no consequences in any way for it.
As I stared around me, I realized that the game had slowly gotten to me, that Night City had changed the way I played, all because there were never any consequences that mattered to me or my gameplay.
As I was watching the show, I remembered ALL of this. I saw it in David as he kept going and growing his gang and their reputation. There were no consequences for any of the murdering or slaughter that the gang does, only more people getting pissed. It sold the concept of an entire city being a legitimately nihilistic hellscape. And not that weird teenage "I don't care" attitude, but in the true meaning of the word. No one cares. And it's dangerous if you do.
Anyway, I recommend the game. Pretty much all the bugs are gone at this point. It starts slow but right around the time you jump over several cars quickhack contagion into a group at the apex and shotgun a brawler while you descend, you understand what they're going for and it's weirdly beautiful.
This shit is so magnificent😭
What's funny though is that I've seen David & Lucies in real life. A girl who seemed untouchable with a guy with nothing to lose who then switch polarities to a guy who now seems untouchable with a girl who actually also has nothing to lose
Wow. I wish to see the same thing
I was always sold that David like her, but I never fully got that Lucy liked him.
It COULD have maybe been the moon scene, but she'd known him for about a day and used that to manipulate and betray him easily. After that we don't get many moments of why she likes HIM for himself instead of the promises that he makes her.
That being said, the moments that they share during the final few scenes are BEAUTIFUL. And the show is absolutely worth it.
I think that's the thing. She did start off manipulating him which is probably why he chose to go the chroming path. Because he figured she wanted a more confident, powerful David who could make her dreams happen, a better version of himself. Just, his optimism was infectious and over time it inevitably became something more genuine until he was taken away, either by his abuse of self modding and ultimately his death. Now all she has is a recording of him the day they made that promise to get her up onto the moon and she didn't even really *want* it anymore, because what she wanted wasn't what she asked for 2 years ago.
It's actually a really nice lesson actually, life isn't straight forward but rather quite complicated. Sometimes it is possible to turn someone around by being genuine and likewise people who you thought were friends or lovers could turn on you. Life is selfish and we are all player 1, so much so that many opportunities will pass us by. It's up to all of us which of those opportunities to reach out for, and to be mindful that our actions will *always* have consequences.
I think its the Emotional distancing she uses. Arasaka burning through her class and her escape being sound tracked with gunfire tearing through children and the sizzling neurons of her only family. Then being essentially raised by Kiwi and her "Trust no one" philosophy and the Edgerunners rate of death she just learnt to, As pointed out in the video, keep everyone at arms reach.
The snag is, when people who use emotional distancing let someone in, they fall very hard and very fast. David got in and that was probably Lucy's first and most intense love and she didn't know how to handle it any better than he did.
She didn't want to get attached and was suppressing those emotions, it's shown through the smaller interactions between the 2 where she always prioritises him and tries to keep him safe. She basically had trauma, and the rule to never trust or rely on anyone drilled into her. Hence, she acts cold for a bit, etc, because she feels bad but doesn't want to get emotionally attached.
She is just emotionally distant, I know people in real life who acted very similar to Lucy
It’s not hard to believe at all. Yeah, she only knew him for a day but think about how much they did in that one day, and how crazy it was.
Not sure about anyone else but it doesn’t take me more than an hour to like someone else, even romantically. You pick up on what someone else is all about pretty quick.
Maybe she like his energy. He was so refreshing, a breath of fresh air in this congested crazy city. Much different from Rebecca’s brother’s crazy manic energy, and Maine’s Macho Man personality.
As this dude said in the video, she always kept everyone at arm’s length. I think david was the first person she felt comfortable opening up to, and really sharing her real personality and dreams with.
Love is just like that. You don’t need to spend a year to realize you love them. You don’t need them to do something crazy, like rescuing you from a damsel in distress situation or something.
Let’s be real. Everything they did after stealing chips was a date. Especially the moon braindance. Sure, she may have had ulterior motives going into it, but it’s not hard to believe she might’ve actually liked him a good bit by the end. She was clearly actively enjoying their time together in her apartment and the moon.
Every time I hear the opening of "I Really Wanna Go to Your House" I feel chills down my Sandevistan. Even all these months later.
You know, its strange.
When the ending rolled around, I didn't feel sad, or anything.
I watched the final bullet fly, and the end expand right back to the first shot of the show, and all that I had was this wide eyed expression, making sure I captured every detail.
I still remember that feeling, and it wasn't until I started listening to the music, that I finally broke down.
Same bro same. It was like that with Angel Beats too.
I hope that more media based on the cyberpunk subgenre will be produced because cyberpunk edgerunners are one reason why it can become popular.
i personally like the aesthetic of a cyberpunk genre
From what i saw, they are wanting to work with the anime team for more projects
TRAGIC STORIES ARE WHAT MAKES THE GOOD ENDINGS OF OTHER STORIES WORTH WATHCING
there are no happy endings in night city..... *cries in the background*
Did Cyberpunk remind anyone else of Akame ga Kill? It was phenomenal but damn the hurt gave me deja vu
Much better than Akame, as some of the deaths in that one felt a little forced.
This anime is amazing and glad you are covering it. Love your content.
David was able to save Lucy, but why couldn't he save Rebecca too? 😢
Cus Gumba stomp and Rebecca willing to fight till the end
But DID he save Lucy tho? I would argue that she ended up back where she started. Yeah she went to the moon but she wasn't happy. I don't think she LITERALLY wanted to go to the moon. I think she just wanted to escape Night City and be free from Arasaka's grasp. Either that or she wanted to die. I'm not really sure which interpretation is correct.
@@Sqwivig i'm pretty sure her owning posters and the moonwalk cardrige while loving to watch stars to the point where she and David spend a night in the desert so they can watch them better is proof that she sees Space as more then just another place to escape but her salvation instead wich motivated her actions to push forward no matter what
@@PancakemonsterFO4 I agree with your comment but I also think it has to do with the moon just being a place where she thinks arasaka cant reach her. So then she fixated on that to get her through the challenges of life. When David came she probably still wanted to go to the moon, but together with him and maybe the crew. She wanted to be free and happy. Now shes free but she doesnt have any goals at the moon bc she just fixated on it without ever thinking about the ramifications or maybe she did but knew that shed have no friends there, same as on earth but at least be free. But now she had the friends ripped away and there is no goal. She lost David and the crew - who she probably cared for but not as much as David. And both of the times that she lost the people around her were by arasaka so I dont think shell be able to find friends or recover that fast. The saviour mentality from David didnt help her at all.
@@EasyWater you forget this is Cyberpunk we are talking about, barely anyone achieves their goal in this world. David won by fulfilling Lucy her wish despite his fate being sealed as soon as Arasaka got intrested in him as a labrat, destined to go insane and getting put down like a rabid dog as many had been before. And if David didn´t bothered saving Lucy Militech would have chased him down eventually while his sanity got drained faster and faster
I love series that end like this but it burns me to my core
We all need a Rebecca in our lives
You need someone to die?
You want a bitch to die?
0:15 "plus having a song that's garenteed to make at least three people cry is always fun to abuse."
I'm one of those three *Breaks down into tears as 'I wanna stay at your place" plays.*
It's not three people total, it's three people per play. Even if you're listening to it alone, two other people pop into reality and cry with you.
@@eriktorgler7748 ...OH so that's why those two people keep appearing. I thought they were breaking into my house. guess I don't need to press charges now.
I absolutely loved that line of him. Was just seeking this comment.
It's been months and it's been stuck in my head pretty much daily
Weird, this is like the third time you've posted a video about something I finished literally 1 or 2 days beforehand
I may not have liked manic pixie girls, but Lucy did sell me of a character very torn up and traumatized to doom others who got too close to her.
Man I always loved cyberpunk as a concept and this show did not help my techwear obsessions.
whats a maniac pixie girl? and yeah i also loved the concept of cyberpunk and how humans kinda "evolved" through tech.
What happened during the time skip? The dynamic of their relationship in a not-so-much nutshell. The goals and both perspectives. The goal of David fulfilling 'Lucy's dream' of going to the moon, and the goal of Lucy of staying close to David. It's all in the lyrics of the two songs.
David: [...] Hunting season if you will
Tell me where'd you'd rather be
I can hardly see the moon
Hope we'll get there pretty soon
Trying so hard to release
You out of the misery
Hold on to your wishes
if you can't hold onto me
[...] Trying so hard to be free
To make you see what I see
Hold onto your wishes
If you can't hold onto me.
*Forgive me for letting you down
Forgive me for letting you down again
Guess i'm not strong enough
Right now.
Oh, my love (let you down)
Oh, my love (oh, let you down)
Love (let you down)
(Oh, let you down)*
Lucy: I couldn't wait for you to come clear the cupboards
But now you're going to leave with nothing but a sign
Another evening I'll be sitting reading in between your lines
Because I miss you all the time
[...] And I'm awarе that you were lying in the gutter
'Cause I did everything to be there by your side-ide
So, when you tell me I'm the reason I just can't believe the lies
And why do I so want to call you (call you, call you, call you)
[...] So, get away
Another way to feel what you didn't want yourself to know
And let yourself go
You know you didn't lose your self-control
Let's start at the rainbow
Turn away
Another way to be where you didn't want yourself to go
Let yourself go
Is that a compromise?
So, what do you wanna do, what's your point-of-view?
There's a party soon, do you wanna go?
A handshake with you, what's your point-of-view?
I'm on top of you, I don't wanna go
'Cause I really wanna stay at your house
And I hope this works out
But you know how much you broke me apart
I'm done with you, I'm ignoring you
I don't wanna know
Aside from recommending analysing these two songs lyrics for understanding the series better, what would really be interesting and maybe possible is making a crossover (part of) a song where you would use vocals from "Lucy" and "David". For example layer from David "Oh, my love (let you down)---(Oh, let you down)" and laying it on top of "So, what do you wanna do, what's your point-of-view?---I don't wanna know" Would honestly be fucking dope but i'm no musician and i would believe it would take some time to compose, align bars and pacing.
Now that your talking about wacky crime anime. You should talk about Black Lagoon
A video on the Rock and Revy dynamic would be intresting
I WAS ALREADY ON THE VERGE OF TEARS AND THEN YOU PLAYED THE FORBIDDEN SONG AT THE END
This anime really was an unexpected and pleasant surprise. Also, I don't know what sort of hypnotic technique they used, but that song generates an immediate and strong reaction in every person I know after watching the serie
This show was so good. Like I'd probably say it was a perfect 10 out 10 series for me. I didn't expect it after the mess that went wrong with the game's launch.
I agree
DAVID DIED A LEGEND EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT
I do feel for Lucy but, I think my heart aches a bit more for David.
A kid with practically nothing, loses his mother, roped into a gang, and gets his fucking brain blown out in the end. And not to dunk on the gang. Gangs do provide community, albeit terribly flawed.
I guess, the tragedy does it’s job well.
I can understand that, but I still feel Lucy's still has it worse, in my opinion. A girl raised by a corporation to do her bidding, if she doesn't succeed the mission she could die. Losing her friends and being alone after escaping from the corporation. Living by herself and being forced to fend alone for 18 years until she meets kiwi who joins her into the crew. Finding love in that crew. Having to distance yourself from her boyfriend just to protect him and not even being able to explain to him why, because of his hero complex. Finally having your love be murdered because he tried to save you and now your alone in the moon, where you wanted to be but not really.
@@MrExtraordinaire16 I mean! It’s enough Edgerunners for folks to resonate with it in various ways, ya know?
@@chancemitchell4147 😂exactly
@@chancemitchell4147 I think I broke a tooth biting all this edge.😂
Gangs a much closer than u think actually so it wasn’t rlly flawed
First show to make me cry and I haven’t cried since I was 5 do to how I was raised so that goes to show how deep this hit me. It was also my first anime and I only watched it because I loved the game so it was a hell of an introduction
Wow. CD Project Red really stepped up their game
Well Studio Trigger did also the heavy lifting.
Stepped up? Their story telling has never been anything less than top teir. Have you never heard of the witcher series, even cyberpunk 2077's story and world was amazing, long before this show came out. People were just hating on them to hate on something
@@oneballwizard406 cyberpunk 2077's story is great, but it wasnt hated on because of its story, it was hated on cause it was super glitchy and buggy and people have bin waiting years and years for that game
@@Disbelief_ I never had any real problems with bugs and I was on xbox one... plenty of people I know enjoyed it from day 1
@@oneballwizard406 some people didnt care but most did, also nowadays its mostly all fixed
Honestly I couldn't really get into the Lucy/David relationship. And Lucy felt like such a *nothing* of a character after she gets with David, and David such a dumbass, and their whole relationship felt like nothing. The animation was nice and the action could be cool but I was kind of underwhelmed by the story.
Smasher isn't immune to cyberpsychosis. Mike Pondsmith the creator of the Cyberpunk TTRP has said that Smasher is a "High Functioning Cyberpsycho"
I think that's just him being playful with the fact that atom Smasher was ALWAYS a psycho, even before he borged out
I just watched the show recently, and I tell you, this was not the show to wash off post AoT trauma lol
I really enjoyed it and it made me feel a deep sorrow at the end. It even inspired me to create a self insert and oc for the show.
I think everyone has a cyberpunk oc now because of this show and the game more or less actually letting you create the character you have in mind
I don’t really know how to say this, but that would not be an “easy” to 2 minute conversation for David and Lucy to have. It would be a fundamental denial of that part of their character’s, that which is holding them back most. They would have to confront that part at it’s root, on their own, individually, within themselves in order to even be in a position to have that conversation. They simply just weren’t and, unfortunately, could never. Not how they were. 😕
"Everyone deserves a happy ending. But Night City? Wrong place, wrong people" - Johnny Silverhand
You've all seen everyone's ending. Johnny, Morgan, Pilar, Dorio, Maine, Julio (though his death kinda stupid, to be honest), Kiwi, Rebecca, David, Morgan, Rouge, and many more. So to will V's. In the meat grinder that called Night City, you either go up, or becamed grinded meat yourself. You called this tragedy, I call this reality...
Though it hurts more for those left behind. Falco, barely out with his hide, have to stay under radar all the time, while Lucy...
To say the least: join up Nomads, or leaving Night City would have been a 'smart' choices. Stay, and you have to accepted the fact that you'll lose a part of yourself in order to survived this cyber hell-hole
Imagine if David had just optimized his implants instead of installing damn near everything he could get his hands on
I actually think David and Lucy is really toxic. Like they are using each other to fulfill their own desires. I don’t think they love each other as people but more for what they represent. David represents someone who wants Lucy to achieve her dream and believes in her to achieve it and that’s why she needs him to live so that she can still believe in it. And Lucy convinces David that he’s special despite the fact that he’s really not that special. I wouldn’t call Adam special in comparison but in comparison Adam *had* to replace himself but David is choosing to chase a legacy. Lucy can’t save David but she has to try because she needs him to stay her representation of her dream. Also it’s my belief that if David knew about the arasaka upgrade he would want to use it. Like I do not believe he would not want to keep it. Because that’s his constant chase.
While I do get where your getting at, I would like to point out that David only wanting Lucy because of what her goal was does seem a bit off since it didn't seem to me that he fell for her when she told him about his goals to go to the moon in the simulation but as Sarcastic Coral stated, when he and Lucy escaped from the nurse. Also I was a bit confused on what dream Lucy was chasing from David. I am assuming you're talking about her dreams to go to the moon, but if that was the case, first why would Lucy be miserable when she does reach the moon. I would've taken it as a sign of her dream having changed to her wanted to go to the moon alone, to her wanting to go with David. Second, when David and Lucy were falling from sky scrappers and David was going cyberpsycho Lucy tells her that going to the moon was no longer what she wanted instead she wanted to be with david and finaly,in episode 8, David is looking at an add on how much it would cost to go to the moon, Lucy tells that even after the 5 years she still remembers there promise which tells me that during the 5 years she hadn't been thinking about the moon topic. But anyway, if you had taken the time to read my critic, thank you very much and I wish a lovely day.
Also I will try to improve explanation later because I am also aware that my arguments are really badly written so I may do some corrections from time to time.😅sorry do that.
They liked each other to death and cared about each other more than themselves so doubt it was that toxic
@@NotFanti I mean imo that is kind of a toxic way to live. There should always be some element of thinking that you yourself matter in a relationship rather than thinking someone else is the only person that is important. That's a self-destructive way to live, once again in my opinion
@@noranomics that’s the point of night city there are no happy endings
They selflessly loved each other to death i mean the moment she met him she loved from the beginning, recruiting him with her to get to know him and also took him on a date to the moon,but david you know he has no dreams,he fell for her because she fell for him that s it, that s why also he thought she lied at first but no she fell for him and from that moment all she cared about was him
They really did pull a charlotte move on our hearts
I loved the part, where you connect or see from a characters perspective or here from David's and its just like.
Fuck this shit i'm out, but I'm still watching.
I cannot understate how much i love Edgerunners.
Not only because its extremely high quality, but David's life paralel's my own scarily well, and hopefully i wont make the same mistake as he did
Thanks for RUclips video and bigger fan
You bought a fan? Was it cheap?
For me the relationship happened a bit forced from how indifferent she was to him in the beginning. I get why David likes her but not why Lucy lives him. Overall enjoyed the show but it needed like 2 to 3 more episodes. Felt a bit rushed towards the end for me.
that show was depressing af, I had to 10 mins to my night time cry session.
David age in the start is 17
We don't know what lucy's age is but she wone's an apartment
She is 20 and 21 at the end not that big
@@NotFantitell that to NCPD
@@MGS-lore-enthusiast wild
It was really good, also made the game better too, made it feel less check-listy and more lore friendly.
I think Lucy and David were actually a great couple for this story. Lucy was a child slave whose experience taught her to never trust a soul ever. Even Kiwi, her longest running friend, made it clear that you should never trust anybody and that basically people won’t have your interest at heart ever only theirs. Then comes David, someone who Lucy initially viewed as foolish, but quickly saw he was so genuine about his values and his feelings. Somebody who didn’t care to risk trusting a soul should they earn his trust. David saw Lucy as this person struggling tortured beyond comprehension by the cruel world, but still fighting for a dream all her own. On the moon, they saw this fully and fell in love. David’s mask as this tough guy fell and Lucy’s mask of this cold hacker also did. They saw each other for themselves and fell in love. That’s why Lucy forced Maine to give David a chance and also how David earned his merit with that chance. Despite the initial betrayal from Lucy, who jumped to conclusions about David like the rest of the Maine gang, everyone saw how “special” David was. Not for his chrome, but his mentality. David was kind and focused on his reasons to be kind/loyal rather than the countless reasons given to him not to be. Lucy especially wanted to earn David’s forgiveness and did so.
They had chemistry, they did love one another, they both were able to be their best genuine selves safely around each other. However, the world around them and their own traumatic pasts birthed from this horrible world made it so hard for them to build a relationship. We see their love very clearly, David desiring to protect Lucy at any cost and Lucy leaving/isolating from basically her found family to track down/kill the corpo forces mercilessly tracking down David. Their love was genuine and pure, but their world is so dark that love could only glimmer rather than shine before being consumed into hell.
Cyberpunk edgerunners was truly a work of art, it reminded me of a lot of great anime’s and games all mashed together. (Like cowboy bebop, neon genesis evangelion and katana zero). This story has truly made me reflect on my own life and it’s been awhile since a show has done that for me. It’s was a really heartbreaking ending but needed to show how two people would willingly give themselves up for each other and whoever makes it has to carry that weight. No one wants it but that’s the way it works out. (I don’t usually comment on RUclips but felt like I just needed to vent for a second)
Maybe I've watched too many romantic dramas or my hearts gotten too cold but I had a hard time feeling sad at the end
Me too, and it makes me mad because for some reason this anime just doesn't click with me so it makes me feel like i'm losing on something good
@@mlmfshjm7962 holy shit are you me? it pisses me off too like I rewatched it and felt the exact same as I did the first time. The action is hype and it is sad sure, but it didn't move me or make me as emotional as everyone else seemed. Def feels like a missed experience and idk if even possible, how to feel that
@@mohammedbaig9569 idk, i definitely don't think is because i had too high expectations, since i watched it the same day it released, but i see getting praised so much and i don't understand it, i totally don't think is bad, but idk it just doesn't do it for me.
I do have some minor complaints, like David seem dead set on using the sandevistan even when it seems unnecessary, i don't understand Lucy not telling David that arasaka was gonna use him to try the exoskeleton when she had 2 years to (maybe it wouldn't have changed anything since David is really stubborn and may he would've end up using it anyway to save Lucy anyways), and i feel like Adam Smasher doesn't totally fit the story.
But i don't think this are the reasons it doesn't click with me, idk is strange
There's some shows that just don't land for people. There are many people who just watch a show, and feel nothing, then turn around and love something else, and then feel sad that they don't fall in love with it.
I totally feel the same, but I think it’s because I personally didn’t connect with the characters at all. Instead of seeing David as a kind of Spike Spiegel who had nothing to live for he just seemed dumb for being so reckless. Everyone else was pretty one note to me, heck Falco showed up halfway through the show and we know hardly anything about him and he lives.
One of the best shows i've seen this year 💜
This anime got me back into cyberpunk.
19:20 I haven't even watched the whole show but that shit hurt 😭😭😭
I wondered if Rebecca and Lucy could've performed a combined effort in slowing David down with the chrome. Given that Lucy knew the severity of the chrome he first augment to himself, Rebecca hearing and seeing the damage being done herself?
i still cry remembering these scenes, they were so heartbreaking, and even small references to David make me remember small pieces of their moments together just like Lucy on the Moon. but it was such a good show
Beauty of tragedy. This show is honestly one of few that capture how incredibly beautiful is love and human relationships. This will stay with me for a long time. It reminded me how important it is to love and what love means in a time, when my relationship was at stake, and I'm really grateful for that.
I love watching your videos, I always come away from them with something new to think about. Like tragedy. I'm not fond of them for about the same reason you like them - my brain grabs on and /does not let go/, which, for me, leads to negative thought spirals. But watching this helped me understand why you and others find them so engaging and enjoyable, and how that very 'grabs you and doesn't let go' quality is part of the draw, and that's really cool!
Crazy how this show got me to try the game
Edgerunners really made me cry :( worth it but…. MY HEART
I never liked Lucy nor really understood why David was so into her... Was all around weird, Adam smasher felt like last minute stuff but the show was good aside from that.
It’s a prequel and Adam smasher was foreshadowed
Also David was into her cuz she practically gave his life meaning
GREAT ANIME and a mediocre game
I feel that I would love it if the augments that you get actually made a huge difference in how you look, not like a human with a few lines on their body. I want to look like a murder machine please.
Wow to a mechanized boogeyman of Night City from a maladjusted comedian. Adam Sandler has come a long way in his career.
Sarcastic chorus 💙❤️💜😇 GREAT VIDEO OF CYBERPUNK Edgerunner 👍
I don't think the show asks if David's and Lucy's life were worth it, the point is that the world of Cyberpunk, specifically NIght City, is a place thats doesn't make life worth it. Both were condemned from the start due to their circunstances and their nature. Lucy always knew she could never afford attachment, but had no choice given her feelings for David, and that's exactly what brought them to a tragic end. Cyberpunk is a world that traded humanity for advancement, and that made it a world not worth living in, that dooms people to tragedy from the very start of their lives.
The ending, while somewhat ambiguous, is most certainly bleak, and believe that is the most important aspect of the series. They couldn't help but fall in love in a world that wouldn't allow it. Cyberpunk's world opposes the basic aspects of true fulfillment.
God damn it. I haven’t watched it in so long and just hearing the music and seeing the characters just punched all the fucking emotions back into me
I think the show and the ship is trash🗑
Did u watch it?
Truly a series that rips your heart out and stomps on it, David is so likable, doing everything to save and protect the ones around him. Yeah definitely a short series I highly recommended to everyone.
Man that ending hit me hard
I don't know but I saw cyberpunk as a good anime and one of the best in this year and the song really hit hard but the tragedy didn't hit me as hard as everyone else , I mean sure it does hurt but I expected the ending which too the joy and I may took indirect spoiler as in its like akami ga kill even though the anime ending is like the Manga it really did hit me hard and I was thinking about it for weeks after finishing it
I'd like to point out
Adam Smasher likely isn't dead even if you consider him killed by V.
Know why?
He offers to make david into an engram.
HE offers it. As though he has the ability to do so because hes so high up and important to arasaka.
Now do you really figure someone like adam wouldn't have his own digital copy of his consciousness until he can get a new body in the case of his death?
We may have killed "this" Adam.
But Smasher is still out there.
We need the Rebecca video soon
this is the best anime from Studio TRIGGER is amazing..the fast pacing is just right..but that makes sense for us wanting more!!!! lots of great analysis videos like this one..fits the game's lore perfectly!!!
I am more than willing to openly admit that song hurts me inside every time I hear it now.
Some thing I noticed is on the Moon Lucy's drink she hands David the straw was chewed up. In Japan if you chew the tip of your straw for drinking it means you are sexual frustrated. If you look at the straw Lucy hands David on the moon it's been chewed showing she sees and wants David In a sexual way. Just something I just noticed in your video.
It definitely was fricking worth it. But the emotional damage it left behind is kicking my ass.
This anime destroyed me. Im playing through the game right now with David's jacket equipped to my V and im NEVER taking it off, i just cant bring myself to.
This show feels like a new modern Prometheus
10:05 I cried and laughed at the same time , ( SOMETHING IS INDEED RISING IN THE BACKGROUND 🙂
What better way to go than in a blaze of glory for the person you love.
tbh i believe thats the most tragic kind of love stories, they were just starting out but cut short.