What D&D Alignment is Kratos? (God of War)
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I'd love to see a Norse Kratos alignment. In celebration of Ragnarok coming in November, perhaps
That would be great. If they do an alignment video of Norse Kratos, I hope they also include the tie-in comic that leads up to the events of the first game.
Honestly I'd expect Norse Kratos to be pretty much exactly between true neutral and chaotic good. The absolute patience he displays in the opening shows a man more interested in just being left alone and raising his son instead of brutally murderizing the hobo beating on his door.
If I've understood the editor comment correctly the Norse Kratos alignment video would be after Ragnarok had been played not before.
@@Darkfiretiger That is correct. Which means we'll get more in the analysis. Hooray!
Agreed!
The funny thing is when you look at everything Kratos has been through in this part of his series it makes sense that when he opened Pandora’s box it was Hope that he had gained.
Because throughout everything that he does in these games it’s all under the driving force of hope.
He hopes that by going through whatever quest he’s going through at the time that it will help him in gaining some measure of satisfaction and peace.
That’s why all the dark energies in Pandora’s box don’t go to him.
Because to him all the dark things he did was for the hope that his torment would end.
And ironically the gods assumed because of all of his violent actions that it would be the dark energies he would take in.
That interpretation kind of fixes the ending for me
It’s funny, I always thought the opposite of Rage was Hope, not Love. There is only one other force equal in destruction, the ability to push a man beyond his limits and do the impossible like Rage, and that is Hope.
It’s fitting that the man that was ruled by his Rage and thirst for Vengeance found Hope in the end.
@@TheGary108 wouldn’t the opposite of hope be inertion or depression?
@@nathanielgarza9198 No, opposite of Depression/Sadness is Joy
@@TheGary108 I mean depression like locking yourself in your room. Inertion(as in a lack of energy)
With rage their is a goal in mind at least so Kratos would hope for something.
Kratos is definetly, 100% Chaotic, weather he is good, neutral or evil will wholly depend on how the viewer wants to interpret what he does.
"Was it justice? Or was it murder." - Cait to the Sole Survivor, Fallout 4
Considering all the gods put him through...I'm leaning towards justice.
Chaotic evil, no question. At least by God of War 3. He has a blatant disregard for anyone but himself and doesn't even blink when untold innocents die from the consequences of his actions.
@@bartholen By GoW 3, sure. Understandable how he got to that point, but still, yeah.
It was 100% evil after he learned that killing the guards has severe consequences to the entire rest of the human population he still proceeded to kill all of them including the guy who makes the sun go across the sky and the literal earth killing guy I should’ve just blown the whole damn planet up because Gaia is not a titan she’s the mother of the Titans and she is literally the entire earth
@@charlottewalnut3118 Killing Helios? Definitely. The guy was as defenseless as a mouse when Kratos reached him. Same with killing Hera, as she posed the same threat. The others? Debatable. He probably didn't know the world would flood (or if anything would've happened at all) when he killed Poseidon. Him killing Hades, probably, though while Kratos could've found a way out of the Underworld without killing him, I doubt Hades would've just let him leave. He gave Hermes a chance to crimson 90's outta there, but instead Hermes decided to press the attack, so was Kratos just supposed to let Hermes kill him? Heaphestus and Hercules literally tried to kill Kratos as well, so self-defense in those cases I'd say. Again, was Kratos just supposed to let them kill him? Plus, as far as we can tell, nothing seemed to happen at their deaths.
It's pretty clear that when Kratos 'Let go of his mortal attachments.' and his brother died Kratos just snapped and became a monster. But always wanted at some level to be a person and not a THING again.
The interesting thing is that Kratos seems to become more evil the more "godly" he becomes.
Sure does inform his hate and distrust of gods. It's like a recovered drug addict who can only look at other users with disgust.
Yeah, much as his rage is justified, at some point, one can't help but think "yeah, Kratos has F-ing LOST it.". For me it was around the time when he forced Poseidon's bedmate into that wheel to keep the gate up.
"Eventually Overpowered, Kratos is seemingly killed. Chaotic Evil." Got me like wtf. Honestly allot of times he went chaotic evil i was like "more like chaotic neutral?"
I second this
precisely, while there are few times of pure chaotic evil acts, he constantly wavers between all three states - from good to evil but ALWAYS chaotic.
@@Asghaad yeah, this Video just kinda felt like he was pre determined to put kratos into Chaotic evil and therefore just judged neutral actions as evil to arrive there.
Agreed.
I should also add that him killing Thanatos should’ve been considered Chaotic Good since he partially did it out of self-defense, and partially out of avenging his brother.
I don't really understand why killing Zeus is considered Chaotic Evil. GoW3 opens with the twist that all the gods got corrupted when Pandora's Box was opened, meaning that killing all the gods actually became a *good* thing. Granted, I still think he's on the edge of Chaotic Neutral and Evil, I just really don't get this one ding. Great video otherwise!
Cause, even if the gods were corrupted, they're still necessary for the world. Each time you kill a god it negatively affected the world
@@SebasTian58323 And it wasn't like it was something subtle or that you could NOT notice. Kratos was very aware of how it was affecting the world, and that did not stop him
@@umpteenthreason9627 Both of those points are good, altho I swear I could remember a plot point that if Kratos did nothing, the gods would eventually bring ruin to Greece themselves? Thus if they had to bring ruin to Greece anyways, might as well do it now in the quick way rather than let the gods do it themselves in more atrocious ways. But I could be wrong about that, it's been a while
He didn't know the whole evil turned god he just killed the out of spite and his own reasons.
I would say because he killed them out of revenge, not to save the world from them
I think it'd be great to see a Norse Kratos video, but wait until God of War: Ragnarok is out with all the DLC first since you know that'll probably affect his character more
The God of War games never have DLC
@@notproductiveproductions3504 Even so, getting all the Norse games done in one go will probably be better. Not only would we be able see he's whole journey through the Norse saga, at least to the point where Ragnarok ends, and have a better understanding of his journey throughout his life.
@@notproductiveproductions3504 pretty sure the last game had free DLC that included NG+ in addition to some other features.
@@pforgottonsoul you mean “update”?
7:15 How saving his daughter not good?
7:30 How is "killing people in Elesium to regain his powers," not chaotic evil?
Saving HIS daughter, it's a selfish desire so it is not good.
@@LockMatch and Elysium?
7:15 He didn't save her. How do you "save" someone from Super Heaven?
7:30 It is, but doing it to save the world and restore order balancing it out at LN
@@TheTsugnawmi2010 he IS saving her.
persephone tells him in the cutscene before that, with the world being destroyed, so would elysium.
keep in mind that, at this point, kratos ultimate goal was to make his nightmares stop and allowing the world (and elysium along with himself) to be destroyed would have accomplished just that, kratos however puts the well being of someone else above his own desires which would make it at least neutral good leaning towards lawful.
I'm in agreement with some of the other commenters that you gave Kratos too many evil dings during this video. Some of them, like Kratos not provoking a fight and only defending himself, or warning several opponents to not fight him, feel much more Chaotic Neutral than anything, definitely not evil. It feels like you got caught up in the momentum of Kratos's genuinely evil-aligned actions and just started painting other things as evil during script writing.
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No, he had way too many "good" dings.
I feel like the instant you sacrifice innocent people you're solidly in the evil camp.
Kratos is a straight up villain protagonist, even if you can't blame him for his actions at times, he's still a murderous psychopath who murders innocents for no other reason than either being in his way or not immediatly being useful to him. He has regrets and some good intentions but will abandon them for his own ends. I'd say over all he's neutral evil, though one you are expected to somewhat empathize with, like a villain from a tragedy that Shakespeare would write.
I would say he's more Chaotic Neutral but yeah some of the things he does, does border on evil.
@@atomskthepirateking2776 He is straight up evil. The only nuance is that many of his opponents are also evil. Him throwing the innocent and literally chained up slave wife of Poseidon into the gears of a door to be crushed was a completely evil and pointlessly cruel act.
Kratos was already a bloodthirsty warmonger before the first game and only got worse from there.
@@IrishWarrior00 no, he slipped into evil territory in GOW III even though at least a good chunk of his actions are somewhat justifiable.
Up until then, he was a pretty solid anti hero. Before the games he was just another generic Spartan general, not exactly a saint, but not particularly evil either. After making a deal with Ares (which imo was mostly a desperation ploy for survival) he was “evil” but by proxy of being Ares’s pawn. He was tricked into killing his family, who he clearly loved and it was indicated he was a good husband and father, even though his wife criticized his warmongering.
After renouncing his oath to Ares and breaking free of it in Ascension (he was notably fairly good in that game) he becomes a pretty straightforward embittered anti hero who still does good things but without the squeaky cleanness of an ideal hero. Stops Ares from taking over Olympus, and stopped Persephone from destroying it in chains of Olympus, serves gods for 10 years, defends Greece etc
In 2 and 3 he slips into villainy, but you can say 2 was just specific revenge againist someone who wronged him. Chaotic Neutral thingys, acting in self interest but not intending to bother anyone else. 3 is basically the only game where you could say he was a villain protagonist but important to note was that he had a brief redemption arc towards the end
@@IrishWarrior00 Actually…he’s not evil. He’s more of an Anti-hero like the punisher. And honestly the Gods deserve what they got. I mean compared to them Kratos is a saint.
I think we all knew the guy who uses the decapitated head of a god as his personal flashlight was going to be chaotic evil
There's a video on a channel called tactical bacon productions about what everyone gets wrong about Kratos. I think it applies here a bit. Kratos is not some crazed madman who wants to kill the gods. He works against them because they have become corrupt. Killing them becomes a good thing, after he is betrayed again and again.
So throwing the innocent and literally chained up slave wife of Poseidon into the gears of a door to be crushed was a good thing also? The guy couldn't give a damn about the Gods corruption. He was a bad person at baseline and just wanted revenge.
ruclips.net/video/inFvGmnDr5g/видео.html for the scene in question.
@@IrishWarrior00 No, that is one of his more evil moments. But, Kratos is so deep in his hatred for the Gods that what's one mortal life? That is the moment he crosses the line and becomes a Monster, but by the end, with the power of hope, he forgives himself for all he has done. His intentions are selfish, but good. After betrayal after betrayal and so on, he just snaps. I think if any of us went through what Kratos did, we'd make the same decision.
dude normally you and i are in sync but this time...you gave my man kratos too many evils. killing the fates, defending himself from the other heroes. hows that evil?
Say what you will about Kratos, he is a remarkably honorable man.
True. However, these videos are not lining up with OG AD&D alignments where Chaotic Evil is akin to DC Comic's Joker, where his random evil often harms himself, while Neutral Evil is the most selfish of states, when the evil has an actual motive that breaks laws and-or agrees to them while caring not of the agreement.
If this video was done with the OG AD&D standards that survived up to 2nd Ed, he'd be anywhere from Lawful Neutral (evil) to True Neutral (and any lawful/neutral/good tangent) to Chaotic Neutral (good). Nothing he ever did was ever chaotic evil or anything close to it. Almost no games actually have the ability to have characters do that.
Hes a calm and reasonable person
@@That80sGuy1972 This would mean DIO from Jojo’s Bizzare Adventure would be Neutral Evil
@@Janon743 That's exactly where I'd put Dio.
@That80sGuy1972 no, you can argue he starts as neutral evil but damn sure doesn't end that way.
I personally feel that Kratos would be a Hexblade Warlock if we go with 5e classing considering he made a pact with Ares and got cool blades out of it, plus he can only use a few spells per game but are always casted at their most powerful when you upgrade them.
Plus definitely Barbarian. "Rage of Sparta" and all that.
During his time in Greece? Neutral Evil, for sure. Because he was never above murdering innocent people. He didn't rush out to do it, but if he needed to kill you or you just happened to be standing in his way, you got shredded; remember Poseidon's side piece? Or Jason of the Argonauts? Or the denizens of Atlantis?
I'd love to see Norse Kratos START with his current alignment and see where it goes. He definitely changed since the end of GOW3 and the reboot, but I think his alignment would still be in that Neutral/Chaotic Neutral zone. Great video, I honestly can't wait to see whoever you choose next!
Maybe altered a bit through as we are not seeing Kratos straight away from the end of GOW3 but after sometime has passed so their are signs he has changed a bit.
It shouldn't because Kratos has roam around and reflected on himself and his actions for at minimum a century, I think that time kinda changes someone a bit.
This was damn good. Ya, we all saw were Kratos was heading alignment-wise, but that doesn’t make the journey any less entertaining. Really hope this video does well enough so we can get the Norse version as well 😁
Yeah, but I can't help but think a few of the Chaotic Evil dings weren't deserved. Like the killing of Thanatos and desiring Revenge against the gods after everything they put him through.
@@ULTIMATZEKROM I think that might be due to the fact that there are severe, world spanning consequences to killing a god (retcon for GoW3). While Kratos didn’t know that when he killed Persephone, Thanatos, and Ares, he DID know it by GoW3 when Zeus tells him, and still kills more gods. Considering his lack of regard for the consequences brought about by further god-killing, it’s doubtful that Kratos would regret killing the gods he already had. So I’m guessing it’s a retroactive Chaotic Evil ding because Kratos probably wouldn’t have changed what he did with his new found knowledge. I think that might still stand with Norse Kratos because he kills Baldur, but that’s just my guess.
@@alexmalik6204 Yeah, but Persephone and Thanatos were trying to kill him (self-defense), and he was ordered to kill Ares anyway, so I fail to see how those would be considered Chaotic Evil. He also gave many of these others chances to step aside, fighting when it was clear they would do no such thing. Those things don't sound like Chaotic Evil, they sound Chaotic Neutral at worst.
@@ULTIMATZEKROM that’s fair. I definitely see your point with Ares. For the other 2, I think it comes down to the fact that Kratos was probably strong enough to subdue them without killing them, but at that point that really is just me speculating. Cause I don’t think powerscaling works at this point in a universe of literal gods 😅
@@alexmalik6204 I mean, there's also the fact that Persephone was literally trying to destroy reality and Thanatos literally tortured and eventually killed Deimos...just saying, I'd say killing them was justified...and I don't think simply incapacitating them was a viable option.
Also if you guys want a deep dive on the rest of the God of War stuff (and also clearing up some misconceptions about the original games), "God of War Was Always Deep You Cowards" by Endless Jess is an impeccable video.
I love that vid so much
10:50 - 10:55; Calisto does whisper something to her son Kratos, which resulted in her transforming into a monster. I can't believe the number of times this is overlooked. Callisto told Kratos that Zeus was his father. A slight retcon since even though the events of god of war ghost of Sparta take place before god of war 2, ghost of Sparta was released after god of war 2. Kratos was aware that Zeus was his father, which actually explains his initial reaction to Zeus betraying him. Kratos was genuinely surprised and even asked why he would betray him. Even though Athena told Kratos the truth as well in god of war 2, and it looked like a revelation that Kratos wasn't aware of, I actually think that with the ghost of Sparta retcon, it could be Kratos just denying his familial connection to Zeus, but ultimately choosing to accept it as he seeks his vengeance on his father.
I think the game is supposed to imply that she turns into a monster before she fully says who his father is, but his reaction makes it seem like he heard the name, but I guess it doesn't matter much anyway.
@@edwardarroyo884 still though, the game clearly shows Callisto whispering the identity of who the father of Kratos is, which causes her to transform in the first place. I kinda does matter quite a bit due to the fact that Kratos was forced to kill another member of his family that he didn't want to kill.
@@StareachValcin That makes his reaction in GoW 2 weird then, but I suppose their is a chance he didn't process what she says since she turns into a monster immediately afterwards. I know that part matters, I was saying it doesn't matter if the game is saying that Zeus is his father now since he eventually learns anyway.
@@edwardarroyo884 actually, Kratos knowing that Zeus is his actually makes sense of the first thing Kratos says when he realized that Zeus betrayed him. Kratos seemed in genuine disbelief that Zeus betrayed him, but add the knowledge of Kratos knowing that Zeus is his father, and the scene just makes more sense, and why revenge against Zeus was so personal to Kratos. That's why and how Kratos learning that Zeus is his father matters.
@@StareachValcin I know it matters, but GoW 2 shows that he clearly didn't know, which is why I think that he didn't actually hear her say it.
22:17 As a Floridian I take offense to that, we don't have any mountains here. :D
Hot Take, Kratos was at his best when he was in his hack and slash games. Personally, I adored the Story of God of War and the characterization of Kratos. By comparison, this is basically video game John Wick, and if you haven't seen John Wick, yall are missing out. I love the Dad of War, but my personal preference will always be younger Kratos.
Understandable everyone has their own preference
Nothing wrong, both takes of the character to me complement each other, i just wish most media dont diss on younger kratos as a metal guy who just killed and killed throughout all the games until the ps4, which is completely missing the mark
I mean game play wise, hack and slash mode is Kratos highest point, and lore wise : his lowest
@@anhhy5486 I severely disagree with that but that's your opinion.
@@anhhy5486 you weren't paying attention to the lore then. Gow 1-3 Kratos is DEEP.
cant believe he touched every cardinal edge of the alignment spectrum
did not see that coming
Alright I clicked the like button now give us Kratos in the north..... Or else you face wrath worse then the ghost of sparta can muster. Namely mr.Mittens. XD
In the end there was hope.
Even for Kratos.
I'm not sure if I can track all of your logic.
I personaly feel like choosing Sparta over the treacherous gods(not the ensiferum song) is a lawful action because the gods are shady NPCs and Sparta is his party.
Also when he "neutralizes" to achieve a higher goal you seam to rule inconsistently, granting clemency for the elysium "neutralizations" for which i would have rendered a less favorable judgment. But judging other similar incidences more harshly.
Similarly to the previously mentioned. Provoked "neutralizations" also seam to hinge on a variable I cannot decern.
I think the final verdict surprises no-one however.
I really want you to continue with Norse Kratos, but because Kratos leads a new life and learns to deny his true violent nature over the years, I'd say you should start Kratos' alignment in the next video as true neutral.
By three Kratos was somewhere between chaotic neutral and chaotic evil, by 4 he's somewhere between chaotic neutral and chaotic good.
In 4 he doesn't really care what happens to himself but he wants his son to be better then he was and not repeat the same mistakes or let his rage consume him.
I want the God of War 4 and Ragnarok kratos to get reviewed, so long as his alignment starts where it ended here and he gets 2 true neutrals for just living his life in exile, 1 chaotic neutral for being a shitty dad, and 1 chaotic good for honoring his wife wishes
"and has commited more godcide than any JRPG protagonist"
kirby:finally a worthy oponent,OUR BATTLE WILL BE LEGENDARY
I don’t think any killing of a god should be regarded as Chaotic Evil, I feel like it’s at least somewhat justified SOME of the time
i would have looked at each god, what their alignment is and given kratos a push in the opposite direction, provided there isn't much deeper context.
zeus, hera, poseidon and hades are 100% lawful evil, so killing each one should move kratos towards chaotic good.
athena is (until that point) the closest thing to lawful good in the series, but kratos doesn't kill her on purpose so it doesn't count.
ares and hermes are neutral evil so slaying them pushes kratos towards neutral good.
he kills helios after the later tries to trick kratos (at this point kratos does not know that he needs helios head to proceed iirc), punishing trickery is lawful neutral in my book.
hephaestus he kills only after hephaestus betrays him, in my opinion, punishing betrayl with death is lawful neutral.
persephone he kills literally for the greater good when allowing her plan to succeed would have accomplished his own goal, so lawful good.
hercules is lawful neutral (he only engages in battle with kratos after being ordered to do so by hera), so one push to chaotic neutral.
1 thing God of War does right. The gods are UTTER A-HOLES. Plus I am still waiting of a alingment vid on Kiryu Kazuma in the Yakuza series.
I doubt that's going to happen. Don't forget that pretty much every side quest in those games is canon.
Nah doing Kiryu would take him soooo long. Because he has to dig thru 7 games, even if Kiryu stays stoic most of the time he does have character development thru most of the series.
@@Ninja-The-Red-Shinobi yeah I feel like doing Majima in 0 to Kiwami 2 would be more manageable
@@admiralmage1544 i mean I wouldn't do Kiwami at all. I really don't like the extra side story they shoved in for Majima, it wasn't needed. If there is any character break downs, it should be 0, 1+2 originals, then 3-5.
Worth noting that he started as Lawful Evil.
Sparta was the definition of a lawful evil civilization.
I'd like to see you do the OG AD&D alignments in these videos.
Most of your Chaotic Evil things are actually Neutral Evil, they have a motive and it's selfish. Chaotic Evil has been distorted over the decades as being like that, but it's not. The most pop-culture guy I can think of to embody Chaotic Evil is The Joker from DC Comics. He is a master planner and a genius, but because he's so chaotic he is also his own worse enemy, including randomly killing his own people to make a point and-or think it's funny. Post OG alignments are really going down to messing up how complex they are, selling the D&D boxed sets as having only 3, and setting standards for how that makes sense when other games made it far more complicated.
Kratos is Chaotic Good (True Neutral leaning) when not Neutral Good (Chaotic Good leaning). The God of War games never gave Kratos options that allowed any Chaotic Evil alignment choices in the OG form of AD&D.
From what I glean in modern videos, absolutely every alignment is debatable down to the very core and relative to idiotic pop-culture interpretation. Also, most modern AD&D gamers don't have any idea what the OG alignments meant, and the new standards are not really alignments, they are moral leanings on top of being almost nonsense if the alignment of the character is a player character.
The OG alignments also made no sense whatsoever. Alignment always boils down to a convoluted mess because morality does the same thing. Morality is not objective so trying to create a system that makes sense for a TTRPG would require solving the field of ethics. When you said " absolutely every alignment is debatable" that is because literally everything in the field of ethics gets debated. OG D&D had races that were somehow entirely evil despite being sentient. The whole alignment system is a mess and it is just fun to see how different people try to tackle it. Don't get too caught up on it fitting some "Original" meaning of the terms as that is impossible.
Alignment is subjective anyways. It’s literally down to personal beliefs of the individual doing the chart.
I interpret True Neutral as being this, A person that does what they do because it benefits their goals and their’s only.
Kratos at the end has the literal embodiment of Hope in himself. His goal was to rid his curse and see his family again and be in peace. A truly neutral Kratos would not give up Literal Hope since it will hopefully get him to his goal.
But this is all subjective anyways.
@@joshwist556 Fair enough. The OG alignment guidelines were more solid, but way too many people only had the ability, no matter how hard they tried, to have a line between Lawful Good and Chaotic Evil without understanding it being more of a 2D vector than the 1D line. Those people interpreted Lawful Evil as pretty much misunderstood good but mean guys or evil guys with OCD with Chaotic Good as evil and-or insane people who are on the side of good. That infected post 2nd Ed later editions and made it far more up for interpretation than even 1st Ed pre-clarification era.
Giving up Calliope to save the world from Persephone should hace been Lawful Good, twice for what it cost Kratos.
Would love to see Norse Kratos as he starts to be semi human again.
I think that Kratos is actually Chaotic Neutral for one simple reason: he feels justified in everything that he does. In his mind, the gods betrayed him, not the other way round, and he deserves revenge. He didn't mean to destroy the world, he only meant to kill those who have wronged him. Chaotic Evil would be going out of his way to kill random people just for the sake of it, but he doesn't. While you can argue that revenge is an evil desire, I believe that it is only evil if you intentionally harm others along the way. While Kratos does harm others, it isn't intentional, and when it is, the person tends to actually want it. (See Pandora and Orkus.) So, in my opinion, Kratos is Chaotic Neutral. He actually might be Lawful Neutral if you think about it, but I don't think that he is evil.
The heck are you talking about? Kratos absolutely goes out of his way to kill random people who have nothing to do with it. And it’s not just to move forward either, sometimes he killed people simply because he felt like it.
@@thomascochran7907 Or for a couple health orbs on a certain ship.
If you're going to talk about one doing bad things without the intention then that's neutral evil no? More so if you are saying in HIS mind he felt justified.
I figured that when kratos left the shattered greece, he went to norway and had a kid
He is chaotic evil.
Definitely chaotic.
The weird grey area of evil that a player is because your DM said no Evil Chars so you are forced to go Chaotic Neutral.
Kratos in old games is legit Chaotic Evil but in Ragnarok he's pretty close to True Neutral.
I love the fact that there is a Schmuck Squad reference at the beginning regarding the boy comment
Kratos is such a beautiful singing voice I wonder if the captain will sing with them
21:36 that comment about your bank account after rent payment hit close to home for a lot of us
Always thought he was chaotic neutral being pushed into each situation.
That's where I'm at too. He's reacting (often sympathetically) to some horrible situations. And _most_ of the time he avoids directly harming people that did nothing to him.
before watching: chaotic evil
after watching: chaotic evil
still allot less static than i thought
Good show boss! Figured as much for the god killer but fun to see how much his alignment bounced around!
Kratos's alignment is ANGRY
I like videos like this because they perfectly illustrate that GoW 2018 wasn't the first to add complexity to Kratos' character. Like many Greek figures, Kratos is the embodiment of a tragedy, through both the actions of the gods and his own.
Really hope to see that Norse follow up, since GoW is one of my favorite franchises of all time. Excited to see where Ragnarok takes our ashy man next.
He touches all three alignments with a chaotic moniker.
Dad of War with the alignment picking up where this one left off.
Has to be Chaotic Evil. Dude is exclusively out for himself.
I think the big difference between Norse and Greek kratos is that the elder kratos is trying to be a better man/god for his son, he's actively trying to be better and I think that is going to be apparent through Ragnarok.
16:22 His destiny, if I remember correctly, was to "bring about the twilight of the gods", no?
A video about kratos should be like 2 hours long considering the full history of the character
What is surprizing is that while he is Chaotic Evil he is just bearly that, very close to true neutral.
Why would you consider the gods' side to be the good one when every single fucking time they're in the wrong? The video is good as always, but this is a huge flaw regarding the criteria.
Almost every time Kratos kills someone in these games is because they either don't leave him any other choice, or they betray him after he's helped them. Sometimes he even tries to strike a fair deal only to have the other part treat him like garbage when his part of the deal is complete.
The few times Kratos has done something actually evil can be counted with the fingers of both hands.
Dude the guy was a raging psychopath with zero regard for anyone's life with one or two exceptions at best. He routinely let innocents die when he was perfectly capable of saving them, usually from a fight he was responsible for. His only act as God of War was to senselessly and endlessly drive the Spartans to conquer every other nation they could feasibly wage war on. He caused the deaths of hundreds of thousands if not millions from utterly devastating the natural world and never once showed any remorse for the babies who drowned when he savagely beat Poseidon to death.
Like come on man, just because the gods were almost universally assholes doesn't mean Kratos wasn't also evil.
@@benandrew21 dude I don't think you played a single god of war game kratos only slaughter innocents under the behest of ares and in god of war 2018 he acknowledges this fact when he tells atreus and admit that some were worthy while other were not and when it the gods and people he killed he only killed them as a last resort a perfect example of this is in god of war 2018 when he let baldur go however baldur was going to kill freya a person who helped him and healed his son when he was sick another example of kratos not being a remorseless killer is in god of war 2 when he stabs athena by accident he consider stopping his assault on the gods but realized that the gods needed to pay for the actions the same lesson he teaches atreus so why dont you go play a game instead of calling kratos a killer
@@jaysea185 I wouldn't call Kratos evil, but he's definitely a killer. It was his ambition and need to win that made him sell his soul to Ares. Everything that Kratos did under Ares' command can't be washed away with a few good deeds or sparing a few people. Kratos at that point was by all means, a monster. One who you could recognize by the ashes of his family, who he murdered, marking his skin.
Although God of war 2 and above Kratos generally stops starting fights with non-gods, it's his path to vengeance that causes these fights to begin with. Kratos generally doesn't want to kill people if he can help it, but there is a common trend of his opponents becoming dead after their battle even if they pleaded for mercy or were otherwise incapable of fighting back. Like with Kronos, Kronos started the fight because of Kratos' past actions against him as well as his belief that Kratos killed Gaia, yet when he begged for his life and was incapable of fighting back, Kratos still killed him anyways.
Yeah, trying to apply traditional DnD morality to a quintessential Ancient Greek hero is going to result in an... odd map.
Just look up some of the awful shit Achilles, Odysseus, Theseus, and Herakles did.
I like the end part of the introduction “Dad of War”
Tbh I imagine Norse kratos, having mellowing out an absolute ton, reflecting on himself for that higher wisdom stat, but always preferring to be alone, never going out of his way unless it's to hunt, probably sending him to lawful neutral, or if it carries over, sending him back to true neutral
I’m not saying kratos is a good guy; but if someone was largely behind the murder of my family, I too would likely take revenge at all costs
"The state of Florida"
That's Florida on a good day.
Nah, it can't be, there aren't any alligators
@@ULTIMATZEKROM silly, alligators are master stealth operatives. The ones you see are either free agents or bait and or a distraction.
.....it is beyond fitting I got a roll20 ad on this video XD
Love your work here, and now I make the plea for Norse Kratos alignment.
Norse Kratos begins as true neutral e slowly walks towards neutral good.
"DEUSIDE" I didn't consider this term for what Kratos does, but DAMN it do be that!
I would love to see Norse Kratos get a alignment video. He is almost a different person in the most recent game and I look forward to Ragnarok's release.
You gave him way to many Chaotic and Neutral Evil's at the start of GoW2, at worst it's Chaotic Neutral or Neutral when he tells his soldier to prepare for retaliation by the gods. What crack are you smoking that something like that is evil?
I read in an old D&D book that if your character keeps doing wildly contradictory things like this, you should just set their alignment to true neutral.
7:17 "I will never leave you again" 7:34 > Leaves
Where are the views? This seems like something that should be popular, in a good way.
You mean mortal-turned-god-turned-mortal-turned-demigod
"The State Of Florida" i'm weak kkkkk!
If you do Norse Kratos, can you also do the alignment for Boy in the same video? I'd love to see how he matches, or mismatches, to Kratos (Greek and Norse).
I whoud say Kratos is Chaotic Good, he did so much bad things but he also did selfless acts
i'm honestly shocked that pre-norse Kratos went that far into the lawful space.
"Boi boi, boi boi boi boi boiboi-" Ban of seven deadly schmucks? his voice is a wonderful thing. XD
I know, the abridged VA is Grimmjack. but I cannot help but to think of Ban or GOBLINslayer when I hear his voice.
If you do a norse kratos alignment. Id heavily lean to lawful neutral. Hes very principled to his warrior way that he tries teaching his son and hes not good nor is he evil.
i have enjoywd all alignment videos so far, can't imagine not liking norse kratos
I would be really interested in the alignment of "Tanya von Degurechaff" from the books/movies/anime (your choice) series "Youjo Senki: Saga of Tanya the Evil". Since his/her character is really complex determining it would take probably long.
Anyways thanks for the video and I'm gonna sub to see your new ones.
Personally, I think Tanya is Lawful Evil. She's a psychopath who has no qualms about letting a person's life be ruined or killed if she finds them unworthy. But she takes care of people she finds valuable to her or her company/country making sure they're given what they need to succeed. And although she's still "a little" harsh on these people, she does so to make sure they live up to their potential.
She also works within the law and follows her higher-ups orders above all else, though she does try her best to find/create loopholes. But when a bad situation or consequence appears, she takes full responsibility for it unless that situation/consequence is a direct reaction from some other person not related to her or her people.
I believe Tanya is Lawful because of her willingness to follow the law and her superiors who's decisions are usually what drive her to do most of her actions. But I also believe she's evil because of her lack of empathy and downright cruelty to those she does not perceive as competent or her people. And thus, I personally believe Tanya is lawful Evil.
I feel like the box being empty was sort of the way Kratos won. It was the last thing too piss him off even more to finally kill Zeus
Just found the channel and I'm glad i found a video on kratos. Definitely my favorite video game character of all time. Qmazing story as well. For most of the franchise the player sides with kratos seeing him constantly getting betrayed by the gods. It is only by god of war 3 that the player starts to realize that kratos has gone too far and is the slightly better but still bad guy. I also find it funny that kratos managed to get closer to the most good morality than shrek did in one of your other videos.
OG Kratos: Chaotic Evil to Chaotic Neutral.
Reboot Kratos: Chaotic Neutral to Chaotic Good.
I feel like his alignment shifts so hard so regularly.
Edit: I'd love to see where he sits by the end of GoW 4
Great vid, and would love to see one for Norse Kratos...though I HATE that you consider the gods' side to be the good one when every single time they're in the wrong? (seriously, you counted Kratos killing Thanatos after the latter killed the former's brother, Kratos vowing revenge against the gods that screwed him over numerous times, Kratos vowing revenge against Zeus AFTER ZEUS KILLS HIS ENTIRE ARMY, and so many other things that shouldn't be considered evil either Chaotic Evil or Neutral Evil is just one yike after another, bro) They led him on for years with half-truths and lies of redemption and an end to his nightmares, stole his brother, the level of backstabbing that the Gods inflicted on Kratos would make an evil aligned Rogue jealous.
Yes, Kratos DOES kill a lot in these games, but you forget that almost every time Kratos does in these games is because they either don't leave him any other choice, or they betray him after he's helped them. Sometimes he even tries to strike a fair deal only to have the other part treat him like garbage when his part of the deal is complete. The few times Kratos has done something actually evil can be counted with the fingers of both hands, at least regarding the criteria for these marks.
Edit: Also funny that you call Athena Kratos's longtime ally.. Athena helped kidnap his brother. Athena fed Kratos false truths and lies to keep him in the gods' service. Athena tried to prevent him from finding out the truths kept from him. If that's a friend, or even an ally, who needs enemies?
Before video: probably chaotic something
Before watching: Kratos is neutral. His hate and murderboner is universal and evenhanded.
Afterwards: Ah. Well, then
Kratos, along with John Wick, are one of the few characters I can think off where their somehow both good, neutral, and evil
Lets not forget Kratos is LITERALLY the monster the greek gods made themselves. Ares did most of the work but he worked for decades to redeem himself and all he got was a pat on the back basically.
I'd say it was more the middle finger than a pat on the back.
@@ULTIMATZEKROM makes sense lol but they acted like it was a pat on the back
@@SuperGamefreak18 I'm sure that's how it was viewed by the gods, but from where I'm standing, and probably from where Kratos stood, it was a middle finger/slap in the face/etc.
So, now that Ragnarok is out, I REALLY want to see where you think Kratos is now, especially considering he's presumably starting at Chaotic Evil.
This is a series I didn't know I needed in my life. Subbed.
imagine Kratos explaining to Mimir or Atreus that he killed that reaccuring Sailor and that he had lost count of how many times he actually killed him.
I hope when you do Norse Kratos, you continue the alignment wheel where it left off here as that is the same character and should be treated as such
And people say there was nothig but rage in the GoD games before 2018, but that is a path traveled only cause the gods did so to him, basically treating him as their plaything.
before seeing the video, for me he is a chaotic neutral.
Heres one:
D&D alignment for Mikazuki Augest and/or Orga Itski from Iron Blooded Orphans.
Ppl might think Mikazuki is chaotic Neutral to neutral evil, but i think theres more to it than that
Funny enough for me it wasn't until Norse Kratos got brought in that I started to care for the God of War series. I'm honestly curious on how you'd start that off. Mostly cause of the down time between the games he has with his new wife. Also I'm expecting a lot of dings in that one due to the advice he gives Boy, I mean Atreus. That and personally for me the scene when he shares Greek ale with him is a Nat 20 for bonding and hilarity.
He may be chaotic Evil, but I also can't blame him for being Chaotic Evil. Very interesting character.
I'd love to see Norse Kratos, even though I know this series will go away before that happens, probably. But I'm unsure why it wasn't included aside from Ragnarok being not out yet, as it's canon that Norse Kratos is still Greek Kratos as Norse Kratos is very deeply and heavily implied/hinted to be the original. From his troubled past, to straight up having Athena show up when he digs up his old weapons and him talking about how he's no longer her's to command.
You HAVE to make an Alignment video about Norse Kratos. He's got another game coming, why not. Plus, it feels unfinished.
8:47 that sure is an outfit she’s got there