The One Scene That Explains Why ENDGAME Worked and Rise of Skywalker Didn't - SCENE FIGHTS
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Avengers: Endgame and Star Wars: Rise of Skywalker are very similar movies. But we think there is one scene that makes one of them a classic that was the perfect capstone to the Marvel Cinematic Universe's first three phases. And the other was a disappointing attempt to bring closure to a franchise that will continue forever. Here are some similarities:
Each movie is attempting to wrap up a huge saga that includes tv shows and trilogies and comics.
The heroes are recovering after a loss in the last movie, and are struggling to gain traction. Rey can’t hear the other jedi, and the avengers have no way to stop thanos. To win the day, heroes have to come to a reconciliation with their own past and heritage [tony and howard, rey and her parents]
There’s a cameo from a dead father that helps one of the heroes get his mind right.
The villain was presented sympathetically in the last movie, but now the main villain is just pure evil. And each movie features the return of villains we thought were dead [thanos and palpatine]
The heroes have to all go off on a caper together, before splitting off into teams, then coming together again in the final battle. Along the way, we revisit past locations and characters from the franchise. [Lando clip, ancient one clip]
One of the heroes is tempted by her evil father figure in the final act, and another hero sacrifices herself to save everyone else.
In the climax, heroes from other films and franchises show up to save the day.
It takes two of the heroes who were always at odds to team up and defeat the bad guy.
And another hero learns a lot about themselves by having a talk with a dead parent figure.
Both movies end with the death of a hero, sacrificing himself to defeat the villain and save the universe. The other hero leaves the past behind and moves forward with his life, passing on a legendary name.
In the last battle, all is lost as the hero stands alone, then they receive help from pretty much everyone in the franchise who is still alive.
0:00 Similarities
2:32 The Challenges of Rise of Skywalker
6:55 Why Endgame Works
11:59 Why Rise of Skywalker Doesn't Work
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Rey Con. Rey Con Skywalker.
Do Spider-Man 3 vs Amazing Spider-Man 2.
@ScreenCrush Ryan, consider comparing the recurring themes between Chris Tarrrio's other hack jobs, like mommy stopping the big fight and bringing corpses back from the dead, etc. Oh, and thanks for the 20% off 😋
The whole Sequel Tragedy was poorly written, unplanned and had complete disregard for the franchise and the fans.
Despite many flaws (another old decrepit guy seducing a young Skywalker to the Dark Side, Starkiller Base… which I thought was overkill until we got 10 gazillion Super Death Star Destroyers… Rey being instantly awesome at everything, zero world building etc.), The Force Awakens could have still been salvaged by someone who gave a $#!+ about Star Wars… but we got Ruin Johnson instead.
Thanks for spoiling the end of Quantum Leap! I've always wondered and was meaning to go back to it. Now i don't have too... and I feel better for it. Thank you!
It’s kinda ironic that marvel is now the most iconic movie franchise running while Star Wars was once the most iconic franchise of all time but was run to the ground and both are owned by Disney.
Ehh Star Wars has it’s ups and downs
There's a major difference though. Disney was trying to create a new story, and it was very obvious that their writers couldn't agree. There is nothing cohesive in the new trilogy. Marvel on the other hand already has the characters, the storylines, and just has to adapt them to film. They do an excellent job, but the ground work is already there.
Shows how much Kevin F means to Marvel
@@serious69er well, they decided that the extended universe wasn't canon.
@@alpacapines8553 good, most of it was garbage fanfic.
Imagine working on one of the greatest film franchises of all time with 3 of the most beloved characters in cinematic history and not having a plan to have them all in one scene.
How do you not get fired for doing that? A wasted opportunity.
@@Lance37a Ask Kathleen Kennedy.
Honestly that doesn't bother me, that has nothing to do with my problems with it. I like the fact that the old gang's time is passed, the OT is where you find them together. Just like in the original series, there are no scenes with Anakin, Obi-Wan, Yoda or the Emperor ALL together, they're all spread out.
@@johnb2422 it would be like having a Ghostbusters movie and the original Ghostbusters aren't in the same scene, would that ever happen?
@@Lance37a lol I don't know I havent been to the movies yet this month. But no what is the point of having Han, Luke, Leia and maybe Lando running around, still together after 30 years? It's silly. It is more interesting that they have all gone separate ways.
Endgame was a once in a lifetime cinematic experience. I wish I could experience that in theater vibe again.
go and watch dune
spider-man tomorrow...
Here in India the theatre was quaking with shouts. I too wish I could go back and experience it again.
Same
@@motor4X4kombat Why, you think watching bad sci fi will make him appreciate good sci fi more?
Even hearing the breakdown of the plot of Endgame, hearing the storylines and significant plot points, it just took me back to the first time I watched Endgame and emotion swelled up. The first time i watched Endgame, I literally cried. A grown man crying, watching a movie with his son. Why? I was 12 when Iron Man was released, I am now 25. I grew up with the MCU. When Endgame was released, my son was 5 and we got so hype together. I felt every Easter egg and connection they showcased in Endgame. It literally felt like this huge, beautiful ending to one ENORMOUS story that I've been following for half of my life.
But watching this, I literally felt my chest beating and getting heavy as Ryan kept explaining the movie and upping the stakes and I just felt the weight of the movie while watching THIS video. *THAT* is how you know the Russo brothers have created an absolute *masterpiece* with Avengers Endgame. They did the impossible with Endgame, and it can be replicated, but that feeling will never be duplicated. The first franchise to achieve something like this, with multiple franchises trying but failing.
Like Rise of Skywalker.
Love your comment. Thank you for sharing and glad I wasn’t the only adult crying
@@arcticchihuahua6513 you are welcome. I know a lot of people wont understand the feelings that Endgame had brought, but I also know that there are a lot more people that feel exactly like me. Which is why I have no shame about tearing up watching Endgame, it was just an epic cinematic experience
@@that.canadian.vaper.guyTCVG Amen!
I have no problem saying that Endgame is a masterpiece and I don’t feel that way about any other comic book based film. Closest would be Dark Knight, and the one other masterpiece in the fantasy action genre in the last 10 years is Mad Max: Fury Road.
Endgame takes chances and has lots of depth that the other MCU film’s don’t have.
Most of the complaints about the film are quite shallow:
People don’t like Thor getting fat, Professor Hulk evolving, or characters dying, or Steve Rogers getting old.
Basically *nothing real* should happen, so they can keep watching film equivalent of a cartoon aimed at 7 year olds…which they’ve apparently never outgrown. Lol.
Brother........they did it again.......they fucking did it again, with the Spiderman: no way home and I am glad that I read your comment.
I can honestly say about half the theatre had overwhelming tears of joy when Sam said “on your left” and the hero’s all appeared
Every rewatch of this movie I notice after “On your left” is said it’s just music for a few minutes and I like to think it was the Russo brothers intentionally allowing for applause because I know my theater lit up
My eyes got a little wet when I was watching the clip in this video
I've watch Endgame 20 times, maybe even more. And every damn time I watch any of that portal scene I start tearing up. DAMN YOU MARVEL!
I've watched it more than 20 times. Will buy some popcorn and probably rewatch the Infinity Saga double feature on the new "IMAX enhanced" format over the weekend.
Me too!!!
Forever chanting, Yibambe! No matter how many times I watch End Game
Yesterday was my 29th time 😂
Same
I still get goosebumps watching that Avengers scene . With that end battle Star Wars scene ... not so much sadly
Bro could you imagine if Rise of Skywalker came out first and had the “On Your Left” copy and “I am all the Jedi” scenes before Endgame hit those scenes genuinely with pure hype? Would people think Avengers copied Star Wars? Because TRoS copied Endgame for damn sure.
“Now, let’s talk about The Rise of Skywalker.”
You killed the vibe, dude.
not gonna lie, I started cracking up at your response to Doug loving RoS. It's interesting how the MCU managed to make a relatively cohesive long-form storyline over 20+ films, but the sequel trilogy couldn't even do that with three. I guess it speaks volumes to how much effort Feige puts into his planning.
Endgame worked because unlike Rise of Skywalker, they didn't get their story and script from 14 year olds on Reddit.
You did them so dirty and I love it💀
And while it has flaws, the MCU stayed within their established universe where SW screwed over everything in the span of a trilogy that felt disconnected in itself
@@ZrodyApo Yeah, the final three SW films felt like three independent films with the same cast and that's about it. Not like a whole, separated into three movies but with all working towards the same goal.
Worse: 40 year olds with a 14 year old maturity.
But that’s the thing the sequels aren’t to good, but everything else star wars is, I wish they would redo them, better
"Then it's just ah! The feeling is like watching FRIENDS: The Reunion and dumping out all your toys and playing with them at the same time rolled into one!!" Mah man just frickin accurately described what we felt in all of ours body when we saw the Avengers Assemble scene for the first time!!..
The answer is pretty simple: One was the epic culmination of an intricate story woven over a decade and ~20 movies while the other was the haphazard end of a 3 film clusterfuck with no coherent storytelling _or_ understanding of the associated franchise.
And that is the explanation. Period. No more RUclips videos needed.
Wasn't 2 decades
I agree with you, but from Iron Man to Endgame, it was over a decade, not over 2 decades
@@jasonibanez9855 fixed
I can’t wait to share this with my daughter she and I have had the exact same discussion. THANK YOU terrific comparison breakdown
11:40
Exactly, that. Everyone losing it. That scene and these reactions to Endgame are still so filled with emotion. They still make me cry smiling. That desperate hope, everyone is back and all we got this one shot, everyone lined up, locked and loaded, I want you all in their power to make sure the world does not come back crashing down...
And yeah. And all the movies we only get that line once:
"AVENGERS!!!"
*And Steve means everyone on the field.*
👿✊
"Assemble."
Rise Of Skywalker has got nothing on that. Yeah, that movie fell flat. Which is even more disappointing considering
its Star Wars. 😟🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
I'm so glad you made this video. My first reaction to the RoS fleet scene was "oh they tried to have their Endgame portal moment but it completely failed". I enjoyed watching someone smarter than me analyze it and explain why.
me watching Portals scene: cries while clapping like that Shia LeBouf meme
me watching TROS try the same: eyerolling
The other comparison that shows why rise of skywalker doesn't work is LOTR: Return of the King. It has a very similar, all hope is lost scene when the army of Rohan shows up. But, it's not a surprise like in Endgame. In ROTK, you know help is on the way for a long time like in ROS. Yet, it really, really works.
Even though the Rohan army is confirmed to be on the way, there is still tension there. It's not a question of "will Rohan help?" but instead "will Rohan arrive in time to make a difference?" Even after they arrive, they realize they're outnumbered, yet still fight to save Gondor. Those are why, I believe it works in Return of the King.
@@Skull1Hunteryup. We knew they were coming but even as they were camping massing recruits, they were outnumbered. They were literally told their numbers won’t break the lines of Mordor, but they were all down to die gloriously. Even their chant was “death” THE BIG SURPRISE WE HAD WAS THE GHOST ARMY Aragorn brought with him. The ghost army is the real reason Minas Tirith didn’t fall.
That line def killed me when I heard it “Somehow Palphatine has returned” like what
I was 16 when Quantum Leap ended. That final title card still haunts to this day.
I did my best to ignore everything going into SW: ROS, but when the opening crawl came on screen it just hits you that it's going to be bad. When the entire movie is hinged on the fact that Palpatine didn't just waited 24 hours to send the galaxy a spam email it kind of highlights the problem with the writing. On the other hand, the "on your left' scene still gives me shivers even when shown in a video like this 2.5 years after seeing it the first time. Oh, and welcome to the new SC cat! ;)
18:30 - I think this is actually the most compelling point. Cap never surrenders and is ready to die fighting the good fight. Meanwhile Po, in a franchise that glorifies *hope*, gives up at the 11th hour.
20:12 - The big difference between these moments is that "Activate instant kill" makes sense 100% in that moment, and also happens to be a fan-service reference. Chewie getting a medal makes no sense in the context of its own movie. It's literally just there for fans.
The Chewie scene works because he didn’t get a medal, he got *Han’s* medal. It was a treasured keepsake from his dead best friend, and a reminder of when they first met the rest of their found family and saved the galaxy. The rest of the movie still sucks though
more importantly, that Cap scene was told ALL THROUGH VISUALS. Allof Thanos' army teleport to the ground, Cap gets up, grits his teeth, and we see a stunning vista of one man against an entire army. The shot when Sam calls him, he is walking as if almost to his certain death.
Not having the benefit of knowing that Wookiee don’t accept medals or rewards made me smile when I saw that scene. But now, I feel all itchy knowing that they passed up an opportunity to show bad a$$ Chewie was.
I think it's fair to say the 9th and final movie in a franchise that's spanned decades is going to contain some fan service, it would be insane not too.
Idk why, just watching the endgame scene where everyone comes back and having this video explain all the reasons why it meant so much to me when I watched it in person. Got emotional again.
The problem is that Return of the Jedi wrapped up the Skywalker saga perfectly even including all the prequels and shows etc. The entire sequel trilogy was useless in the first place because it just said “hey you know everything that our heroes worked to overcome in the original trilogy? Let’s just bring that all back and make new characters overcome it again”. Like it’s completely useless.
Agreed, the sequel storyline took away the victory and pain of all the previous six movies. Return of the Jedi will always be the end of the Skywalker saga for me - sequels are fanfiction. If people like them, they can enjoy them. But they don’t connect to the main saga.
A more interesting trilogy would be around either rebuilding the Jedi and a new jedi order, or (but preferably with) a more political/strategic type one around the rebuilding of the empire.
Rise of Skywalker really felt like "Second verse, same as the first" and "Here comes the new boss, same as the old boss" had an unholy baby. Less like _Rosemary's Baby_ and more like _It's Alive_
I'm almost in tears again watching the clips from Endgame! What am amazing series of movies!😪🙌🏾
The fact that I forgot he was going to talk about riseof skywalker halfway through the vid says a lot about that movie
Much like how _Freddy vs Jason_ took half the movie to get to that fight and I totally forgot the point of the movie... and after that it didn't matter anyway.
Omg, Doug's perfectly-timed little head droop at 21:04 made me laugh WAY harder than it should have, LMAO!!
The fact that I still got choked up at the breakdown of the Avengers moments says how amazing that franchise was put together.
We’ll Ryan, you hit this one right on the head! We all love Star Wars and wanted these movies to be so much more! At least they got Endgame right! Thanks for another dope video!💯🔥
I love both franchises, very much, for different reasons.
I had two very strong reactions to both scenes when I saw them in theaters. For the Avengers Endgame, all is lost moment, I was so sucked in that you could've sold me a years supply of estrogen and I probably would have bought it. Whereas with Star Wars, I was so dejected and uninterested that I just wanted it to end already.
During Endgame when everyone showed up, it was unexpected, and I was on the verge of tears, I had the same reaction as Ryan like "LETS FUCKING GO, ITS ON NOW". Whereas with Star Wars, I think I audibly groaned in the theaters and rolled my eyes, it just felt forced. One was earned and the other took shortcuts. It also didn't help that Endgame came out 6 months prior to Star Wars, so it kinda felt like "this has been done already".
The last time we really had a good "all hope is lost" only to be saved at the 11th hour scene, before Endgame came out was probably in the LOTR series, both in ROTK in the battle of Minas Tirith and TTT in the battle of Helms Deep.
Totally right. Steve tightening his shield was just icing. It was a great feeling watching it all play out in the theater.
A masterful analysis , what really hurts is the money I pad to see Skywalker !
10:34
“My nation stands with you.”
Damn thats powerful
Can't compare greatness to trash
I have to prep myself for another Endgame watch, knowing the feels hit. I saw the last 3 Star Wars movies exactly once and will likely never watch them again.
The way you explain stuff, been giving me goosebumps...you are great at this.
Ryan over there giving me chills describing Endgame. 🥶🥶🥶
Finally, something that explains why I am so into Marvel but can’t really get into Starwars.
Damn... I enjoyed TRoS watching it in the theater but God, that analysis of Endgame was so on point and I'm just sad for the Sequel Trilogy. I really wish Disney and Lucasfilm took their time planning the trilogy before they started.
I get that the best way to show off that Disney was taking on Lucasfilm was to announce a new trilogy, but it really shows that they didn't put the proper effort and time into it... The Clone Wars, Rebels, Jedi: Fallen Order, The Bad Batch, and The Mandalorian show the polish that the new era of Star Wars is capable of. I can only hope that trend continues
Disney definitely isn’t bad at Star Wars, but the sequels needed a better, proper structure. At the very least, if we got Duel of the Fates instead, people wouldn’t be as mad.
i love this guy,he has a great sense of humour,narration style,theories that can actually make sense and most importantly the transitions to ads,I never know if he's going for ad or a theory...he deserves more subs
People cared about the characters in Endgame and how there stories would end. No one cared about Rey,Finn and Poe. NO ONE!
How would they, they are there for only 3 films, that too not good
@@roger5857 The original Star Wars also has 3 films. And people love Luke, Leia and Han.
Omg I could listen to you an Doug banter about movies all day, Ryan you are amazing man I love you deep dives an breakdowns of movies, please keep up the excellent work man. Oh an I will love to see you explain the jurassic park an world, an the transformers movie to Doug.
For me, Palpatine returning was a real "Who is driving?! BEAR IS DRIVING?!" moment.
How can that be?!
"EVERYBODY WORK! EVERYBODY WORK!"
"WE ARE SLAVES!"
Thanks for video👍👍👍
It is great
I totally agree with every part of it
Love your channel and you stuck landing . Thank you . Love your art 🎨
I've watched a lot of your videos, but this was something special. Great comparison!
Let's hope Filoni and Favreau stay on the franchise long enough to redeem the Sequel Trilogy with quality retroactive continuity stories the way they did the Prequel Trilogy.
The difference is that the prequel trilogy by itself is already better than the sequels, mainly because Lucas formatted and mapped it from the beginning, the visuals are more creative and the characters are more likable (especially Obi-Wan, Qui-Gon and Palpatine). The only problem was that Lucas doesn't work well with actors and often fails to make conversations sound natural. Also, Filoni didn't redeem the prequels. The whole TCW is basically a reboot of the Clone Wars multimedia project that ran from 2002-2006. And Filoni already had a chance to redeem the sequels with Resistance but he failed.
They won’t redeem that sequel trilogy, they’re retconning it actually pretty much.
The prequel trilogy was already great, much better than anything Filoni or Favreau ever did. Them relying on already done great work isn't them redeeming anything.
That you think there is any redeeming the sequel trilogy is further proof that you have no idea what you are talking about.
Filoni would disagree about the prequels. He loves them.
I love your content so much and this my favorite video now you have given so much memes its wonderful.
A fantastic recap of Endgame! Brilliant analysis as always, great video!
The final with dog is just PERFECT ! AMAZING !
I honestly lost my sh1t in the theatre when I saw Wedge one last time, like a total break down, but that was it. It was the first Star Wars movie that I felt skeptical while watching it. It just didn’t work, nothing in it landed for me (except Wedge, but it’s like 3 seconds). Avengers Assemble moment - I am in tears every time, just can’t help myself, it’s just so good!
Admittedly, Leia's death had me tearing up. But otherwise, tiny moments here and there did not add up to a satisfying movie.
TOTALLY WITH YOU ON THIS! Awesome video!
The urge to just go watch endgame instead of finishing the video when the skywalker part starts is strong.
-a die hard Star Wars fan
Excellent take you nailed it
that one made me laugh so much..
love your videos man !
It's amazing how The Last Jedi killed any anticipation I had towards Episode IX. I remember thinking that Infinity War on the other hand excelled at hyping up a conclusion. It was those diverging philosophies that turned me from a lifelong Star Wars fan into a Marvel guy (as far as upcoming films are concerned).
This video made me laugh and cry throughout. Thank you, ScreenCrush
Dude... Everything you said in that makes sense. I would love to see more videos comparing movies to one another and telling us why Wall-E is more emotionally relevant than, lets say, Encanto. You've got a knack for that sorta thing. Thanks for being a legend!
Sooo much yes to this breakdown!!! Thank you!!! Finally someone said it all
I Love Marvel Studios Logo.
Gotta love how you can play video clips the entire time, but one 5 second audio clip and it's game over. Copyright law is so broken.
I think I speak for everyone when I say, they NEEDED to build up into the new Star Wars trilogy. One can only dream now. If only Kathleen Kennedy gave Jon Favreau and Dave the creative rights in the first place. The Mandalorian could have been the best way to build up into a new Star Wars.
I love this video and the seething rage that fuels it
Please give the cat a voice too! 😂 Even if it’s just “I don’t care about this, I’m just here for you, human.” lol
Ben was never supposed to be a Hero.
Even mentioning him as Hero causes me pain.
I loved this vídeo!!
Nailed it once again, Ryan! 💯 🥰
i would sell my soul to see Avengers Endgame in the theater for the first time on opening night again.
Absolutely nailed it as usual
Hahah I loved this video. Great job of breaking down the differences. BUT shame on you for abandoning Doug and instead holding ‘Cat’ at the end. We don’t even know Cat’s name. Shame shame lol
Great thoughts. Scene fights are my favorite.
God I love your videos 😂 and with the little doggo lol so good 🙌
Damn; That where (T.F) is Ben was legendary 😂😂😂
You are ruthless!
I love it.
Dat cat at the end! Genius !!!
I got the chills & goosebumps again just watching your Avengers breakdown! And when you brought up Rise i literally did an Eyeroll
Yup, you get it. 💯 Wish I had your words when trying to explain this to folks.
I agree with most of this, but I'm getting a little tired of people misunderstanding the medal scene. That was Han's medal, Leia was holding is as she died, Maz gave it to Chewbacca because it would hold more sentimental value to him than anyone else. Yes, it's also a tongue-in-cheek reference to Chewy not getting a medal in the first movie, but it still makes sense in-universe.
Oscar Isaac's face when delivering some of those lines screams "I can't believe I have to say this shit".
Oh boy from the title alone this is gonna be a good one 👌🏼
That part of Endgame is probably one of the best sequences ever put to film.
Let’s be Honest, the Mandalorian, the Clone Wars, & the Bad Batch are awesome.
and star wars visions
Not even close. Mandolorian is okay.
Endgame is honestly the best movie I’ve seen so far! Can’t wait for Morbius, Spider-Man No Way Home and all the coming Disney+ series. I heard Spider-Man No Way Home will be much better then Endgame because of Sony bringing back old villians from other Spider-Man Franchises but Endgame will always be my number 1# people can never convince me that avatar was better. 😂
Doug chose wrong so you switched to the cat. LOL! I love it!
Loved this. Also, your dog's voice is fantastic. Don't change it to a text-to-speech program!
Do a multiverse Disney cross over movie and both will work amazingly.
Whoever edited this did a fantastic job
Great video, but... Dang, holding your cat instead of Doug at the end of the video was a dark way to leave things!
I think the appropriate response to… “why don’t we break out some Holdo maneuvers?” … is
“oh, do we have a volunteer?”
The sock puppet JJ; my insides are a pretzel.
Great comparison, Ryan! Endgame is one of my favorite films of all time, and ROS…. Womp womp. Mind you all, I was a much bigger Star Wars fan growing up than Marvel, but having grown up with the MCU and watched Star Wars implode, the tables have turned.
I’m still a huge sucker for the originals, prequels, and legends though. But boy, nothing gets me hyped like the next MCU film.
*Everyone gets an introduction, a badass hero pose*
Mantis: Am I a joke to you?
Cap ready to take on the whole army by himself gave me chills in the theater
When you were talking about endgame dust sand I cried so much. I love star war but the new “ star war” is a bunch of s if you have to watch that as your first star wars movies I feel so bad for you get Disney plus and watch the reals ones.
The switch to the cat killed me lol
Ryan absolutely kills these scene fights videos. He perfectly captures why Avengers: Endgame worked and The Rise of Skywalker didn't. I never forget the feeling of watching the portals scene in the theaters. The entire theater cheering was absolutely EPIC!
What was great is we didn't really know it was going to happen. We knew they were all snapped back, but they were all over the place, titan, wakanda, etc. We also weren't sure if cap was going to survive so there was a chance they'd arrive in time to stop Thanos, but too late to save cap. The stakes were sky high.
My packed theater audience was dead silent. The shared communal experience is overrated.
I'm so glad Oscar Isaac is gonna be Moon Knight cuz he did fine acting as Po Damrran I'm excited that the new character he's playing is probably gonna have more depth
Ryan always makes me LOL, I really dig these segments
2:06 that’s amazing 🥲
I agree 100% with everything you mentioned!
3:30 “Chris Terrio” also wrote the Snyder Cut, also known as _How DarkSeid learned to stop worrying about the Anti Life Equation and forget the earth ever existed._
This had me laughing hysterically man. Such a great job!