Mirage III because in the Egypt Israel war, Mirage III showed extra ordinary flight and combat performance with the highest kills but in the end, from what background these aircrafts belong... the pilots skill is what it matters.
True, but a Israëlian general say : " if the arabs have the Mirage and whe the Mig's the result will be close the same becasue the arabs are totaly unable to manage and maintain such a advanced fighter like the Mirage...
the advantage of mirage 3 is high speed interceptor and weapon caring capacity good at high speed but not so good in close combat dog fight vs mig 21 at slow speed ......which had been proven by pakistani pilot abdul sattar alvi ..who fought as a volunteer against israel in arab Israel war ........according to him two israeli mirages engaged him in close combat as a result he shot down 1 israeli mirage by using syrian mig 21 and the 2nd mirage was escaped at high speed ........their uniform (of israeli pilot) is still preserved in Pakistan air force museum today.......according to pakistani pilot syrian pilots have a lack of skills and information about positive and negative points of their fighter jets
@@kaleemullahkhan6183 True but your statement about Mirage 3's speed is quite inaccurate because Mirage 3 were inferior to Mig-21's and had to resort to CQC and Energy fighting... But when it come's to tell all depends on the man behind the stick, which is hard to find nowadays.
tchouzebra The standard supersonic tank held 500 L. The biggest held 1700. But Mirage could also carry some unusual drop tanks with built-in rocket pods or bomb carriers, which reduced capacity to as low as 268 L.
1385mph is the MiG 21s maximum speed at sea level. Anything past that will cause the aircraft to shake and break ailerons and wingtips off. Of course the MiG 21 can reach Mach 2. But it reaches it at higher altitudes where air is thinner.
The guy narrating did not know what Sea Level speed and speed at altitude are ... he just narrates videos ... not an expert Mach 1 = 660 mph at 36000 ft and 760 at SL and have higher drag at SL
Die Schweiz hatte auch Mirage III, aber die verbesserte Avioniik-Version Mirage IIIS und Mirage IIIRS. Alle wurde später mit Canard-Flügel ausgestattet um bessere Flugmanöver fliegen zu können. Der Unterschied zwischen Mirage III und Mirage IIIS oder RS, liegt vor allem in der US-Elektronic, die wesentlich besser ist als die damals erhältliche Elektronic der Franzosen. Die Schweiz wurde sogar ermächtigt dieses Flugzeug völlig selber zu bauen und weiter zu entwickeln. Es gab dann auch ein paar Nachbeschaffungen aus eigener Fabrikation. Im operationellem Einsatz war dieses Flugzeug rund 30 Jahre im aktiven Einsatz. Im Verlaufe dieser Zeit haben die Israelis unsere Pläne kopiert (Spionageaffaire Frauenknecht) und damit dann ein eigenes Flugzeug gebaut.
The two aircraft indeed had very similar basic designs however the Mirage had the advantage of western product quality. Everything about it was more reliable, more advanced, more sophisticated which gave it an almost unbeatable advantage in air combat (as proven in the Arab-Israeli wars). Modernized/upgraded late cold war and post cold war versions of the Mig-21 did render it into a similarly good aircraft but that was way after the heyday of 2nd generation fighters.
According to aviation experts, the funny fact about about Dassault Mirage III and other Mirages, it was so much good and better, that americans in facts, literally copied Dassault aviation fighters aircrafts details to make the F16. That's true, if we look the facts, single engine, lighter than american fighter jets, more maneuvrable, versatile, etc ... Without to forget the sales number of Mirage III which was above 1400 machines made.
Pretty planes. The Mirage III was a very advanced design for the time and had much better manners in flight than say the F106 interceptor, which was a US contemporary of the type.
The Dart had a much lower wing loading, a vastly better engine, and had better flying characteristics overall. The Mirage tended to crash a lot. The Dart was way safer to fly.
@@armughanshafique9538 gafur accepted that 2 pilot the..one was abhi sir..and came back india safely but what about dusra pilot..who was injured and admitted in CMH...he was flying f-16.
@@Kristo-s11 They couldn't find the other pilot so it can be deduced that it was a Pakistani pilot flying an F16. You Indians are really a bunch of geniuses.
Israel uses the Mirage in 6 days war, attrition war, and yom kippur war. Since then, Israel become one of the stronger countries with air superiority defense
Pakistan Air Force operates highly upgraded Mirage III/V ROSE, while it's arch enemy Indian Air Force operates MiG-21BiS UPG (Bison) it would be interesting to see who will win in Dogfight
@Izno Iznogoud What you write is exact only if the fight happens over a very wide territory, like middle-east big deserts or U.S.A. or Russia. That is why americans and russians have large and heavy planes, able of very high altitude or speeds. But in less big territories, like for instance european countries, dogfights have much more chances to happen, since the distances are shorter. Rafales and gripens are made for that purpose; and there always will be a need for manned aircraft to control the drones .
@Izno Iznogoud They said dogfight would disappear in the 1930's, 1940's, 1950's, 60's, 70's, 80's, 90's, 00's AND so forth. An air war doesnt start until both parties are airborne and summing each other up by the whites of their eyes. Besides, international law dictates air to air superiority combat HAS to be performed by pilots so as not to make waste of life/unnecessary conflicts a norm. The crux of the idea being, a nation will think twice about starting wars when it risks losing pilots and planes they've spent billions on. It's the 2020 version of nuclear deterrence.
The Mirage III was a lovely little plane to fly. Far better than the MiG 21. Australia sold theirs to Pakistan in 1990 and they remain in service today. Australia had them mostly based at the Butterworth Air Force base in Malaysia
The Australian Mirage III-O was built in Australia under licence and was a real hotrod. Australia from memory was the second-largest operator of the III type outside of France.
Not to mention other contemporary similar autocannons such as the American Pontiac M39 (used by the F-5 Freedom Fighter / Tiger II, reaches 3000 rounds per minute in cyclic) and the later General Electric M61 Vulcan (current standard autocannon since the F-104 Starfighter and the F-4E Phantom II, reachs a whopping 6000 rounds per minute). Regarding this, the stopping power of each 20 mm round is even lower, but in the case of the M61 Vulcan it's more than compensated by the tremendous ammo volume fired in just a single burst.
In actual air combat Israeli Mirage IIIs thrashed Arab MiG-21s rather handily. However, the Israeli pilots no doubt had a simply massive air combat training advantage...plus the advantage of being able to study a captured MiG-21, giving them critical exact knowledge of its strengths and weaknesses relative to their own aircraft.
becuse you are doing a video abot french and soviet figther aircrafts can you please do a video about Swedish figthers from the same era like the J29 tunan, J32 Lansen, j35 Dragon or AJS 37 Vigen and then comper them whit other planes from the same era. Sorry for my bad english I am 🇸🇪
J35 Draken for sure was an impressive aircraft, Viggen is more to be compared to Mirage F1, F4E or Early version of mig 23 afterwards it does not look so bright for the Viggen since more modern and deadly aircraft entered service such as Mig 29, F15, F16, Mirage 2000 which are simply better by all acounts. However just like the F4 Phantom it remained a capable aircraft just, not quite comparable to what came during the late 70's early 80's... That being said, Sweden deserve a lot of respect for having designed amongst the best jet aircraft of the 60's and early 70's. For such a small country that is quite a feat and they stil pursue this up to this day. The Gripen is just impressive for what it costs, managing to be mostly on par with the EF Typhoon and the CV90 serie of vehicle is probably the best proven tracked IFV design on earth.
there is a lot of misinformations , early mig21 use a 30mm (NR-30) while later one use the GSH-23 and those between didn't have it at all even as a gunpod (Mig-21 PF/PFS/FL) , and for the combat history , israeli pilot were well trained , where arab pilots were not and arab country use export model of the MiG-21 wich were well inferior to the model use by the soviet union at the same time , so if we compare them fairly , MiG-21 use by a soviet pilot with a soviet model vs a Mirage III pilot by an israeli pilot for exemple , they are pretty equal, the winner is the first one to see the other one
Technically, specially respecting to the fixed armament the 23mm GSh-23L autocannon has less stopping power per round and a lower rate of fire. The DEFA 552 (and the later DEFA 554 equipped in more recent versions of the Dassault Mirage such as M5, M50, and later Mirage F.1 and 2000) is heavier per round (the physical dimensions of the larger projectile allows more explosive charge per projectile), and also it has a individual cyclic rate of fire of 1800 rounds per minute. Multiply it twofold and you'll have a devastating rate of nearly 3600 rounds per minute (lower than their contemporary British made and similar 30 mm ADEN autocannon fitted to the Hawker Hunter, that in quad configuration gunpack hits quite more of 5000 rounds per minute, and slightly lower than the current GAU-8 fitted to the US close air support aircraft A-10). And also the Israelis showed that they could win against the Fishbed in two wars. An Israeli Air Force pilot said: We have defeated the MiG-21, but we could have won wit it, and in a much clearer way still.
"Mirage is good in high speed but not in slow speed against MiG-21" these are the words of Air Cdre Sattar Alvi, Pakistan Air Force, who shot down one Israeli Mirage, Capt. Lutz, in 1974 Arab Israeli war. Mirage then was the state of the art machine against a much older MiG-21F-13 PAF pilots were flying at that time.
In 1974 A Pakistan Air Force pilot Squadron Leader Sattar Alvi was flying Syrian Mig 21 .when two Fantum and two Miragelll of Israel forced him to dog fight keeping the nerves in control he shoot down a Mirage lll the pilot Lutz later died.his flying g suit presented to Sattar alvi.which is at diplay at PAF museum Karachi.
Easy, Mig23 was a poor successor to the 21 and some believe that it was a poor aircraft in general meanwhile the f14 is a work of art that should still be in service
@@Kay_213_ if it had upgraded avionics one could argue that it could be used as a interceptor to greater effect than f18/16 etc since it has a very good top speed
Some of the facts he mentioned were wrong like it’s top speed being Mach 1.05 , I’d like to clarify that the mig21 has a top speed of 2,229km/h also I would also like to add another fact the mig21 could out preform the mirage in high alt and finally whoever is the better pilot is the one who is winning the dog fight
"... Which one would win in a fight ? ... " Well, we did have the answer in 1967 in israëlo-arab war. No contest, the numbers speak by themselves: the Mirages were the winners ...
Before people start quoting facts and figures about losses in engagements, one must first consider what was the environment of the engagements and the strategy adopted by the opposing aircraft. The aircraft losses may have had nothing to do with actual aircraft capabilities, particularly if you are surprised or bounced. In view of this, in a one on one engagement between pilots of equal capability, all factors being equal (and generally they aren't), my money is on the Mig-21............easily.
I often see "MiG-21" used as both singular and plural whereas its "MiG" or "MiGs," "Mirage or Mirages." In the same sense as with the MiG, "Mirage III" may be both singular and plural. A "Mirage III" faced a flight of "MiG-21" ...or, a "Mirage" faced a flight of "MiGs."
A Pakistan Air Force PAF pilot Flt/Lt Ata was flying Mirage lll midnight in December 1971 and easily shoot down indian air force Canberra aircraft killing all three members crew .
Not really, both the Mig-21 and Mirage III are equal in both performance and ability, both were designed as High speed interceptors and performed quite well in the role assigned but your assesment in calling the Mig a sitting duck is too biased towards its poor performance by Arab countries. If the Israelis had been using the so called "sitting duck" Mig-21s against the Arab in Mirage III the Israelis would dominate the Mirages and make the Mirage a real sitting duck
The Indian Air Force Mig-21 Bison had the improved Windscreen and Bubble Canopy for better visibility. This video is trying to make us believe 1 Mach is 1,000 miles per hour. It's 761.207 miles per hour. The Mig-21 is a Mach 2 Fighter Interceptor.
Mirage 3 of course ! faster with deadly and accurate the DEFA 30mm canon with 1200 rounds ,more manouvrable and fly at higher altitude ,the early models of MIG 21 did not have a gun but just 2 obsolete A2A short range missile and cannot hold extra fuel tanks .the Egyptians suffered to much from these models until they recieved the updated MIG 21 MF with 23mm gun bit also with less rounds than the mirage DEFA gun
The triangle wing is still used in the Mirage 2000, Rafale, Eurofighter, all very agile aircraft; so the Mirage III with Mach 2.2 and that wing, must have been really something for its time. The Mig-21 is the most produced supersonic aircraft in history with more than 10.000 built. There must be a reason for this. Overall, we shall never know whicb is better.
I have to say that by simplifying the content you start stretching those fact, thus the factual quality is decreased. Just generalizing the MIg-21 and Mirage 2 families doesn't do them "proper honor", subsequently we could hear some conflicting facts. In other words, 10 minutes its simply not enough to talk about such things as aircraft, especially such versatile (hence tens of modifications) models as Mirage 3 and Mig-21.
In 1966 the israeli mossad got one iraqi mig 21. The israeli AF pilots examined his Aerial maneuvering capabilities. they found the mirage 3c was much better, and it helped them win the 6 days war.
Wrong. Israeli aces (Lt-Col Kobi Richter and Major Eli Adar) aknowledged that the only way a Mirage III could outperform a Mig-21 was in high alpha low speed. That's mainly the regime you end-up in a dogfight anyway so it was then that they had a chance against a Mig-21. And they took it.
Pakistan is still operating Mirage 3 glorious fighters with 4th generation upgrades.A Pakistani pilot also shot down a Mirage fighter using Mig 21.Its mean Pakistani pilots have skills on both aircrafts
the advantage of mirage 3 is high speed interceptor and weapon caring capacity good at high speed but not so good in close combat dog fight vs mig 21 at slow speed ......which had been proven by pakistani pilot abdul sattar alvi ..who fought as a volunteer against israel in arab Israel war ........according to him two israeli mirages engaged him in close combat as a result he shot down 1 israeli mirage by using syrian mig 21 and the 2nd mirage was escaped at high speed ........their uniform (of israeli pilot) is still preserved in Pakistan air force museum today.......according to pakistani pilot syrian pilots have a lack of skills and information about positive and negative points of their fighter jets
Good eye, has the more tapered nose for better ground visibility. Comparing its nose to the Mirage III is like, say, comparing the nose of the MiG-27 to the MiG-23 (Mirage 5 and MiG-27 both tapered for the same reason).
India is not using MIG 21 anymore as they have been decommisened . Now Indai is using MIG 29 and these MIG 29 are out of date and facing service issues and recently an average of 4 to 5 crash a year while practise. The latest Crash was on 09/05/2020 luckily pilot survived and there was no causality as the pilot ended up crashing the MIG 29 into the fields. Indian Air force is now looking intoFrench made RAFFALE and transfer of technology will be there, but due to some reasons the order is on hold at the moment and only 18 of the RAFFALE have been delivered so far, If agreement goes through then the production will be in INDIA for rest of the 36 Aircrafts.
@@sosobel5843 You don't call the Abrams the "General Dynamics Land Systems Abrams M1A1". Or the "General Dynamics Land Systems Abrams M2A1" no ? Here it's just Rafale. Rafale M, or Rafale F4 or whatever. We don't use the conceptor/company name each time.
There is a factual error you made at the beginning of the video, MiG 21 in all its many forms is a 3rd generation fighter jet, not second. Some even consider the IAF MiG 21 Bis (Bison) to be a 4th gen fighter due to its many upgrades in avionics and weaponry Edit: Also, Mig 21's top speed is indeed Mach 1.05 but that is at sea level. At optimal altitude (10 to 13.000 m) it can go as fast as mach 1.75 in level flight and over Mach 2 in a dive
Izno Iznogoud oh idiot that aim wreckage was that misslie which shoot Down indian su 30 which u indian are not showing.mig 21s are just killing its own indian jahil pilot’s not latest f 16🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 even ur new dad America said many times that there was no loss of f 16 American did smash on indian face
@@returntothetruth1469 and I have seen tons of Americans pronounce it properly, so saying "any" American is as inaccurate as saying the sinking of the USS Liberty was an accident
@Izno Iznogoud correct it wasn't entirely submerged in water, but it was heavily damaged and completely useless and nearly unsalvageable. As for it being ordered by LBJ, there's hardly any evidence for it, and compared to the mountains of evidence in regards to other parts it's a rather odd claim. Especially considering that if he had planned to do it, it would not have turned out as it did
I remember seeing that MiG in a book: It's the MiG-21-2000, a late twentieth century upgrade package IAI was offering to friendly Arab nations. Not sure how it would compare with similar Russian upgrades packages e.g. MiG-21 "Bison."
No need to die wondering, the Arab Israeli war settled that one pretty well. While the Mirage was (and imo still is) an exceptionally beautiful aircraft, I think that maybe the "French lady" alluded to by JsaPlays33 was a bit of a bitch. Low speed handling was poor and it had a very hot landing speed. Many were lost because of these issues.
Listen GUYS iI was going to buy a plane, but my government doesn't allow it, so I traveled to another country where it's allowed, but I didn't find the kind I wanted, so I have a question. If I hire an important military job, will I be allowed to buy a F22 plane I want to use in my to explode my uncle's ranch because he killed my dog soooo please write in the comment what did you thing
Only a Disneyland Government will allow you to acquire a fighter aircraft ? No other Government in the world will allow you to own a fighter aircraft .
Mach 1.05? Is this meant to be a comedy? The Fishbed (it's not a "nickname") was built in greater numbers than any other supersonic jet. It racked up over 60 customers. The Mirage III is the most successful jet fighter in history, with well over 500 kills - most of them Fishbeds.
After corona battle all the countries will invest more in health sector and research of vaccines and pharmaceutical sector. If Bio weapon is developed in future then all these MIG's and F16 or Mirage will be of no use. So I would look more into protecting borders aginst Bio weapon. Corona started from china and had big impact on economy of almost whole of the world. We have no weapon against there kind of dangers. I am pretty sure that countries will invest more into these sector and improve their health system and early warning system against such viruses.
Mirage III because in the Egypt Israel war, Mirage III showed extra ordinary flight and combat performance with the highest kills but in the end, from what background these aircrafts belong... the pilots skill is what it matters.
True, but a Israëlian general say : " if the arabs have the Mirage and whe the Mig's the result will be close the same becasue the arabs are totaly unable to manage and maintain such a advanced fighter like the Mirage...
@@leneanderthalien not to forget that the arabs didn't payed attention to their pilots training
the advantage of mirage 3 is high speed interceptor and weapon caring capacity good at high speed but not so good in close combat dog fight vs mig 21 at slow speed ......which had been proven by pakistani pilot abdul sattar alvi ..who fought as a volunteer against israel in arab Israel war ........according to him two israeli mirages engaged him in close combat as a result he shot down 1 israeli mirage by using syrian mig 21 and the 2nd mirage was escaped at high speed ........their uniform (of israeli pilot) is still preserved in Pakistan air force museum today.......according to pakistani pilot syrian pilots have a lack of skills and information about positive and negative points of their fighter jets
@@kaleemullahkhan6183 True but your statement about Mirage 3's speed is quite inaccurate because Mirage 3 were inferior to Mig-21's and had to resort to CQC and Energy fighting... But when it come's to tell all depends on the man behind the stick, which is hard to find nowadays.
when izrael got hands onto mig21, they stated, its superior fighter to mirage III
history has made mirage3 the natural predator of mig21
Mirage III of course, and he's more beautiful.
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Blyat Please. MiG-21 is hands down the best looking jet after the J35 Draken.
@@Leonid_Brezhnev1 Yes !
@@felix25ize no!
@@Leonid_Brezhnev1 yes! And I will call my dad, and he is policeman, and then he will put you into prison ! ^^
The aussie pilots nick named the Mirage 3 "The French Lady" haha.
Yeah well it was!!!
Nice nickname !
External tanks in the mirage III aren’t 150 liters, more 1500L
tchouzebra The standard supersonic tank held 500 L. The biggest held 1700. But Mirage could also carry some unusual drop tanks with built-in rocket pods or bomb carriers, which reduced capacity to as low as 268 L.
You're wrong. 1385 mph is not Mach 1.05 and Mig 21 can reach mach 2 speeds as well 5:08
1385mph is the MiG 21s maximum speed at sea level. Anything past that will cause the aircraft to shake and break ailerons and wingtips off. Of course the MiG 21 can reach Mach 2. But it reaches it at higher altitudes where air is thinner.
@@Speedtale If you put it like that the Mirage III also cant reach the speeds shown in the video
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The guy narrating did not know what Sea Level speed and speed at altitude are ... he just narrates videos ... not an expert Mach 1 = 660 mph at 36000 ft and 760 at SL and have higher drag at SL
Mirage III Maximum speed at low altitude is 864 mph
I'm here because of Metalstorm, idk what to choose between the Mig21 and the Mirage III
OMG!!! You showed a still of A3-17 ??? Raaf that was me circa 1986!!!!
Die Schweiz hatte auch Mirage III, aber die verbesserte Avioniik-Version Mirage IIIS und Mirage IIIRS. Alle wurde später mit Canard-Flügel ausgestattet um bessere Flugmanöver fliegen zu können. Der Unterschied zwischen Mirage III und Mirage IIIS oder RS, liegt vor allem in der US-Elektronic, die wesentlich besser ist als die damals erhältliche Elektronic der Franzosen. Die Schweiz wurde sogar ermächtigt dieses Flugzeug völlig selber zu bauen und weiter zu entwickeln. Es gab dann auch ein paar Nachbeschaffungen aus eigener Fabrikation. Im operationellem Einsatz war dieses Flugzeug rund 30 Jahre im aktiven Einsatz. Im Verlaufe dieser Zeit haben die Israelis unsere Pläne kopiert (Spionageaffaire Frauenknecht) und damit dann ein eigenes Flugzeug gebaut.
FTD Facts I have been waiting for long for the differences between JF 17 Thunder and Su 30 MKI.
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Comparing assault rifles with snipers. This shows that Pakistanis has no common sense. 🤣🤣
You upload this faster than I can open RUclips
Mirage iiic hands down in a dogfight
Depends on several factors ... the Mirage bleeds energy in turns, but yes the Mirages had greater success in dog fights than the Mig
Both are equal in all aspects its the guy in the cockpit
The two aircraft indeed had very similar basic designs however the Mirage had the advantage of western product quality. Everything about it was more reliable, more advanced, more sophisticated which gave it an almost unbeatable advantage in air combat (as proven in the Arab-Israeli wars).
Modernized/upgraded late cold war and post cold war versions of the Mig-21 did render it into a similarly good aircraft but that was way after the heyday of 2nd generation fighters.
According to aviation experts, the funny fact about about Dassault Mirage III and other Mirages, it was so much good and better, that americans in facts, literally copied Dassault aviation fighters aircrafts details to make the F16.
That's true, if we look the facts, single engine, lighter than american fighter jets, more maneuvrable, versatile, etc ...
Without to forget the sales number of Mirage III which was above 1400 machines made.
Pretty planes. The Mirage III was a very advanced design for the time and had much better manners in flight than say the F106 interceptor, which was a US contemporary of the type.
F106 was way more agile at high altitude though.
The Dart had a much lower wing loading, a vastly better engine, and had better flying characteristics overall. The Mirage tended to crash a lot. The Dart was way safer to fly.
Mirage 3 And 5 have No Comparison with mig 21.Mirage is Far Better
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I see we have a person that went straight for the nationality instead of talking about the actual comment
@Izno Iznogoud Abhinandan dealt with F-16 only in wet dreams of RSS thugs. In reality he only got his a** kicked by Kashmiri villagers.
@@armughanshafique9538 gafur accepted that 2 pilot the..one was abhi sir..and came back india safely but what about dusra pilot..who was injured and admitted in CMH...he was flying f-16.
@@Kristo-s11 They couldn't find the other pilot so it can be deduced that it was a Pakistani pilot flying an F16. You Indians are really a bunch of geniuses.
pls make a video about the
SEPECAT JAGUAR
edit: really nice that there are swiss air force mirages in there🇨🇭
What's with the hiccup at the end "so that's it for me" Lol
Israel uses the Mirage in 6 days war, attrition war, and yom kippur war. Since then, Israel become one of the stronger countries with air superiority defense
It was much ahead than any of it's contemporaries in it's time,it's design was so good until the mirage 4000,it was not changed.it still kicks ass!
Pakistan Air Force operates highly upgraded Mirage III/V ROSE, while it's arch enemy Indian Air Force operates MiG-21BiS UPG (Bison)
it would be interesting to see who will win in Dogfight
great work !
Both planes have there strengths and weaknesses but realistically the better pilot is going to when the dogfight regardless of which plane is chosen.
@Izno Iznogoud What you write is exact only if the fight happens over a very wide territory, like middle-east big deserts or U.S.A. or Russia. That is why americans and russians have large and heavy planes, able of very high altitude or speeds. But in less big territories, like for instance european countries, dogfights have much more chances to happen, since the distances are shorter. Rafales and gripens are made for that purpose; and there always will be a need for manned aircraft to control the drones .
@Izno Iznogoud They said dogfight would disappear in the 1930's, 1940's, 1950's, 60's, 70's, 80's, 90's, 00's AND so forth.
An air war doesnt start until both parties are airborne and summing each other up by the whites of their eyes.
Besides, international law dictates air to air superiority combat HAS to be performed by pilots so as not to make waste of life/unnecessary conflicts a norm.
The crux of the idea being, a nation will think twice about starting wars when it risks losing pilots and planes they've spent billions on.
It's the 2020 version of nuclear deterrence.
The Mirage III was a lovely little plane to fly. Far better than the MiG 21. Australia sold theirs to Pakistan in 1990 and they remain in service today. Australia had them mostly based at the Butterworth Air Force base in Malaysia
The Australian Mirage III-O was built in Australia under licence and was a real hotrod. Australia from memory was the second-largest operator of the III type outside of France.
Not to mention to the two squadrons based at Williamtown
Not to mention other contemporary similar autocannons such as the American Pontiac M39 (used by the F-5 Freedom Fighter / Tiger II, reaches 3000 rounds per minute in cyclic) and the later General Electric M61 Vulcan (current standard autocannon since the F-104 Starfighter and the F-4E Phantom II, reachs a whopping 6000 rounds per minute). Regarding this, the stopping power of each 20 mm round is even lower, but in the case of the M61 Vulcan it's more than compensated by the tremendous ammo volume fired in just a single burst.
Yeah !! 2:56...Yugoslav Mig 21. Thank you !!!
Don't forget the Operation Focus, when strategy triumphed tactics.
I guess the MiG-21 would win as it is designed for Dogfights, while the Mirage is not
In actual air combat Israeli Mirage IIIs thrashed Arab MiG-21s rather handily. However, the Israeli pilots no doubt had a simply massive air combat training advantage...plus the advantage of being able to study a captured MiG-21, giving them critical exact knowledge of its strengths and weaknesses relative to their own aircraft.
@@otyliciu The Israeli would give Arabs hell if they were in Mig-21s and the Arabs in Mirages
becuse you are doing a video abot french and soviet figther aircrafts can you please do a video about Swedish figthers from the same era like the J29 tunan, J32 Lansen, j35 Dragon or AJS 37 Vigen and then comper them whit other planes from the same era. Sorry for my bad english I am 🇸🇪
För Sverige!
J35 Draken for sure was an impressive aircraft, Viggen is more to be compared to Mirage F1, F4E or Early version of mig 23 afterwards it does not look so bright for the Viggen since more modern and deadly aircraft entered service such as Mig 29, F15, F16, Mirage 2000 which are simply better by all acounts. However just like the F4 Phantom it remained a capable aircraft just, not quite comparable to what came during the late 70's early 80's... That being said, Sweden deserve a lot of respect for having designed amongst the best jet aircraft of the 60's and early 70's. For such a small country that is quite a feat and they stil pursue this up to this day. The Gripen is just impressive for what it costs, managing to be mostly on par with the EF Typhoon and the CV90 serie of vehicle is probably the best proven tracked IFV design on earth.
there is a lot of misinformations , early mig21 use a 30mm (NR-30) while later one use the GSH-23 and those between didn't have it at all even as a gunpod (Mig-21 PF/PFS/FL) , and for the combat history , israeli pilot were well trained , where arab pilots were not and arab country use export model of the MiG-21 wich were well inferior to the model use by the soviet union at the same time , so if we compare them fairly , MiG-21 use by a soviet pilot with a soviet model vs a Mirage III pilot by an israeli pilot for exemple , they are pretty equal, the winner is the first one to see the other one
The Israeli pilots seem to have better eye sight since the mirage nearly always won over the mig.
Technically, specially respecting to the fixed armament the 23mm GSh-23L autocannon has less stopping power per round and a lower rate of fire. The DEFA 552 (and the later DEFA 554 equipped in more recent versions of the Dassault Mirage such as M5, M50, and later Mirage F.1 and 2000) is heavier per round (the physical dimensions of the larger projectile allows more explosive charge per projectile), and also it has a individual cyclic rate of fire of 1800 rounds per minute. Multiply it twofold and you'll have a devastating rate of nearly 3600 rounds per minute (lower than their contemporary British made and similar 30 mm ADEN autocannon fitted to the Hawker Hunter, that in quad configuration gunpack hits quite more of 5000 rounds per minute, and slightly lower than the current GAU-8 fitted to the US close air support aircraft A-10). And also the Israelis showed that they could win against the Fishbed in two wars. An Israeli Air Force pilot said: We have defeated the MiG-21, but we could have won wit it, and in a much clearer way still.
"Mirage is good in high speed but not in slow speed against MiG-21" these are the words of Air Cdre Sattar Alvi, Pakistan Air Force, who shot down one Israeli Mirage, Capt. Lutz, in 1974 Arab Israeli war. Mirage then was the state of the art machine against a much older MiG-21F-13 PAF pilots were flying at that time.
In 1974 A Pakistan Air Force pilot Squadron Leader Sattar Alvi was flying Syrian Mig 21 .when two Fantum and two Miragelll of Israel forced him to dog fight keeping the nerves in control he shoot down a Mirage lll the pilot Lutz later died.his flying g suit presented to Sattar alvi.which is at diplay at PAF museum Karachi.
Mig 21's speed is 2,35 Mach, what the heck?
Could you do a video on the F-14 Tomcat and mig-23 flogger differences
Easy, Mig23 was a poor successor to the 21 and some believe that it was a poor aircraft in general meanwhile the f14 is a work of art that should still be in service
Erik Truchinskas
I agree the f-14 could still be in service, however it couldn’t compete with newer generation fighters
@@Kay_213_ if it had upgraded avionics one could argue that it could be used as a interceptor to greater effect than f18/16 etc since it has a very good top speed
@@eriktruchinskas3747 But Pratt & Whitney TF30 engines were very unreliable
@@srijanme updated versions or even replacements could have been sourced to keep the f14 as king of the naval fighters
Should do english Electric lightning vs f4 phantom (the american one)
Some of the facts he mentioned were wrong like it’s top speed being Mach 1.05 , I’d like to clarify that the mig21 has a top speed of 2,229km/h also I would also like to add another fact the mig21 could out preform the mirage in high alt and finally whoever is the better pilot is the one who is winning the dog fight
"... Which one would win in a fight ? ... " Well, we did have the answer in 1967 in israëlo-arab war. No contest, the numbers speak by themselves: the Mirages were the winners ...
Mig is Mig.......👊👊
🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Mig is not a good aircraft not even an average aircraft against mirage
Poor bangal
@@thejasbc5428 I don't wanna be rude but India and bangladesh air force can afford to buy a new jet over Mig
@@t-90ms .what shit u have to compare with India
@@t-90ms .we have su30 Rafael mirage jaguars and of course a Nuclear weapon to destroy Ur native
Before people start quoting facts and figures about losses in engagements, one must first consider what was the environment of the engagements and the strategy adopted by the opposing aircraft. The aircraft losses may have had nothing to do with actual aircraft capabilities, particularly if you are surprised or bounced. In view of this, in a one on one engagement between pilots of equal capability, all factors being equal (and generally they aren't), my money is on the Mig-21............easily.
It's said the MiG-21 is more maneuverable because of the stabilizers. The bis version was the ultimate type.
One aircraft ➡ pronounced with no s at the end.
Two aircraft ➡ still pronounced with no s at the end.
Gramarly? 😕
I often see "MiG-21" used as both singular and plural whereas its "MiG" or "MiGs," "Mirage or Mirages." In the same sense as with the MiG, "Mirage III" may be both singular and plural. A "Mirage III" faced a flight of "MiG-21" ...or, a "Mirage" faced a flight of "MiGs."
@@otyliciu www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/aircraft#:~:text=(eəʳkrɑːft%20%2C%20-kræft),an%20aeroplane%20or%20a%20helicopter.
which mig models fought in this war F-13,MF,SMT or Bis ?
Wait... he say Leeeeeerrrrrrrrrooooooooooooooy Jenkins?! :) (He is a legend!)
A Pakistan Air Force PAF pilot Flt/Lt Ata was flying Mirage lll midnight in December 1971 and easily shoot down indian air force Canberra aircraft killing all three members crew .
Easily Mirrage III. .. Mirrage are built to strike hard and fast ... like a Rattle Snake.... MIG will be like a sitting Duck....
Not really, both the Mig-21 and Mirage III are equal in both performance and ability, both were designed as High speed interceptors and performed quite well in the role assigned but your assesment in calling the Mig a sitting duck is too biased towards its poor performance by Arab countries. If the Israelis had been using the so called "sitting duck" Mig-21s against the Arab in Mirage III the Israelis would dominate the Mirages and make the Mirage a real sitting duck
When fighter planes are so evenly matched like it usually the fighter that gets a Visual first win
The Mig-21 has a strange unique look.
Looks toughly built
The Indian Air Force Mig-21 Bison had the improved Windscreen and Bubble Canopy for better visibility. This video is trying to make us believe 1 Mach is 1,000 miles per hour. It's 761.207 miles per hour. The Mig-21 is a Mach 2 Fighter Interceptor.
Mirage 3 of course ! faster with deadly and accurate the DEFA 30mm canon with 1200 rounds ,more manouvrable and fly at higher altitude ,the early models of MIG 21 did not have a gun but just 2 obsolete A2A short range missile and cannot hold extra fuel tanks .the Egyptians suffered to much from these models until they recieved the updated MIG 21 MF with 23mm gun bit also with less rounds than the mirage DEFA gun
It really depends on the pilot, there is no such thing as best plane.
I also wanna add that, the MiG-21F-13 is the worse type of MiG, so dont even compare that to western aircraft, try MiG-21SMT or MiG-21Bis.
You apparently have no Idea what you are talking about.
0:20 "Mirage three is a single seat..." shows 2 seater
Please make a video of Mig 21 VS Su 22
The triangle wing is still used in the Mirage 2000, Rafale, Eurofighter, all very agile aircraft; so the Mirage III with Mach 2.2 and that wing, must have been really something for its time. The Mig-21 is the most produced supersonic aircraft in history with more than 10.000 built. There must be a reason for this. Overall, we shall never know whicb is better.
How bout mirage 3 vs. F4 phantom? Which is better?
Mirage III was not only single seater fighter - there was the D, for example.
Le Mirage3 est mieux que le Mig21.
I have to say that by simplifying the content you start stretching those fact, thus the factual quality is decreased. Just generalizing the MIg-21 and Mirage 2 families doesn't do them "proper honor", subsequently we could hear some conflicting facts. In other words, 10 minutes its simply not enough to talk about such things as aircraft, especially such versatile (hence tens of modifications) models as Mirage 3 and Mig-21.
Mirage lll
In 1966 the israeli mossad got one iraqi mig 21. The israeli AF pilots examined his Aerial maneuvering capabilities. they found the mirage 3c was much better, and it helped them win the 6 days war.
Wrong. Israeli aces (Lt-Col Kobi Richter and Major Eli Adar) aknowledged that the only way a Mirage III could outperform a Mig-21 was in high alpha low speed. That's mainly the regime you end-up in a dogfight anyway so it was then that they had a chance against a Mig-21. And they took it.
8:49 strike fighters ? or not, if not then waht name of the game
Pakistan is still operating Mirage 3 glorious fighters with 4th generation upgrades.A Pakistani pilot also shot down a Mirage fighter using Mig 21.Its mean Pakistani pilots have skills on both aircrafts
2:43
Ace combat 7 Skies unknown
nothing new.does anyone at this channel do research?
Mirage 3
*Mikoyen GuRRewetsch*
7:17- you are forgetting about the indeginous israeli Python 4 and Python 5 air to airs, which also can be currently outfitted on there f16 variants
The Mig-21 wasn't 3rd generation?
Uhhh anyone here because of war thunders new update?
oh yes! also MiG-21 for the win!
India has the mig 21 and pakistan has mirage3. What a coincidence
the advantage of mirage 3 is high speed interceptor and weapon caring capacity good at high speed but not so good in close combat dog fight vs mig 21 at slow speed ......which had been proven by pakistani pilot abdul sattar alvi ..who fought as a volunteer against israel in arab Israel war ........according to him two israeli mirages engaged him in close combat as a result he shot down 1 israeli mirage by using syrian mig 21 and the 2nd mirage was escaped at high speed ........their uniform (of israeli pilot) is still preserved in Pakistan air force museum today.......according to pakistani pilot syrian pilots have a lack of skills and information about positive and negative points of their fighter jets
Now I wonder would they add the Mirage 4 as a bomber 'cause that's a big baby this plan
7:19 Pakistan Air Force Mirage 5. It is not Mirage 3 it is 5
Good eye, has the more tapered nose for better ground visibility. Comparing its nose to the Mirage III is like, say, comparing the nose of the MiG-27 to the MiG-23 (Mirage 5 and MiG-27 both tapered for the same reason).
India is not using MIG 21 anymore as they have been decommisened . Now Indai is using MIG 29 and these MIG 29 are out of date and facing service issues and recently an average of 4 to 5 crash a year while practise. The latest Crash was on 09/05/2020 luckily pilot survived and there was no causality as the pilot ended up crashing the MIG 29 into the fields. Indian
Air force is now looking intoFrench made RAFFALE and transfer of technology will be there, but due to some reasons the order is on hold at the moment and only 18 of the RAFFALE have been delivered so far, If agreement goes through then the production will be in INDIA for rest of the 36 Aircrafts.
Rafale*
@@hyrikul602 *DASSAULT Rafale 😂😂
@@sosobel5843 You don't call the Abrams the "General Dynamics Land Systems Abrams M1A1". Or the "General Dynamics Land Systems Abrams M2A1" no ?
Here it's just Rafale. Rafale M, or Rafale F4 or whatever. We don't use the conceptor/company name each time.
MiG 21 is a Mach 2 plus aircraft too
Pakistan vs Indian...again lol pak has Mirage 3 and india has mig 21 lol
There is a factual error you made at the beginning of the video, MiG 21 in all its many forms is a 3rd generation fighter jet, not second. Some even consider the IAF MiG 21 Bis (Bison) to be a 4th gen fighter due to its many upgrades in avionics and weaponry
Edit: Also, Mig 21's top speed is indeed Mach 1.05 but that is at sea level. At optimal altitude (10 to 13.000 m) it can go as fast as mach 1.75 in level flight and over Mach 2 in a dive
Yes recently indian mig 21 bison shot down Pakistan f 16 and show their power
😂😂😂Same Rona dhona by Indian..F-16 were not even used
edited it's to its
Izno Iznogoud oh idiot that aim wreckage was that misslie which shoot Down indian su 30 which u indian are not showing.mig 21s are just killing its own indian jahil pilot’s not latest f 16🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 even ur new dad America said many times that there was no loss of f 16 American did smash on indian face
@@waqasmeher6663 learn correct english and then you can ridicule people on the internet
Mig 21 is a flying coffin
But recently India shot down a F16 with a mig
@@asphalt325 joke of 2019
@Fahad ibn Iqbal India holds back a lot of evidences
@@asphalt325 aMERICA SIGNING CASE ON YOU WORLD HAS SPIT ON YOUR EVIDENCES 😂😂 COZ NO SEEKER HEADS OF ABHICHUTIYAN MIG21 WERE DESTROYED 😂
@@asphalt325 hell wrong where is wrekege
make video of mirage 5 vs mirage 2000
So where do that place the radar on the MiG and all other aircraft with a central intake?
The radar is in the cone
What the video game has been showed ?
8:23 YOU pronounced Israel Better Than Any American.
That's how almost every American pronounces it...
@@ryanboles8590
No i have seen American people especially News Anchors And D Trump Saying Izrael
@@returntothetruth1469 and I have seen tons of Americans pronounce it properly, so saying "any" American is as inaccurate as saying the sinking of the USS Liberty was an accident
@@ryanboles8590
Ok
@Izno Iznogoud correct it wasn't entirely submerged in water, but it was heavily damaged and completely useless and nearly unsalvageable. As for it being ordered by LBJ, there's hardly any evidence for it, and compared to the mountains of evidence in regards to other parts it's a rather odd claim. Especially considering that if he had planned to do it, it would not have turned out as it did
2:23 - Israeli Kfir and on the Mikoyan Gurevich (MiG) 21 is the Israel Arcraft Industries logo
I remember seeing that MiG in a book: It's the MiG-21-2000, a late twentieth century upgrade package IAI was offering to friendly Arab nations. Not sure how it would compare with similar Russian upgrades packages e.g. MiG-21 "Bison."
Mig 21 advantage over mirage during dog fight and rest all specs mirage have advantage over mig 21
No need to die wondering, the Arab Israeli war settled that one pretty well. While the Mirage was (and imo still is) an exceptionally beautiful aircraft, I think that maybe the "French lady" alluded to by JsaPlays33 was a bit of a bitch. Low speed handling was poor and it had a very hot landing speed. Many were lost because of these issues.
Listen GUYS iI was going to buy a plane, but my government doesn't allow it, so I traveled to another country where it's allowed, but I didn't find the kind I wanted, so I have a question. If I hire an important military job, will I be allowed to buy a F22 plane I want to use in my to explode my uncle's ranch because he killed my dog soooo please write in the comment what did you thing
Only a Disneyland Government will allow you to acquire a fighter aircraft ? No other Government in the world will allow you to own a fighter aircraft .
what simulator is the one on the video
anyone know?
The Mig footage was from Ace Combat. The Mirage footage was from Wings over Europe or Falcon BMS. May be both.
Plese tell the name of game ur playing in video
Ace combat
Mach 1.05? Is this meant to be a comedy? The Fishbed (it's not a "nickname") was built in greater numbers than any other supersonic jet. It racked up over 60 customers. The Mirage III is the most successful jet fighter in history, with well over 500 kills - most of them Fishbeds.
I think he was missing a Mach number. the Mig was good for a hair over Mach 2
if it has a tail, its a Mig-21
You r good man.
Get you on DCS World and find out. I got mirage.
Wrong Mirage. Wish there was DCS Mirage III...
Pass da salt
After corona battle all the countries will invest more in health sector and research of vaccines and pharmaceutical sector. If Bio weapon is developed in future then all these MIG's and F16 or Mirage will be of no use. So I would look more into protecting borders aginst Bio weapon. Corona started from china and had big impact on economy of almost whole of the world. We have no weapon against there kind of dangers. I am pretty sure that countries will invest more into these sector and improve their health system and early warning system against such viruses.
Mirage III was the better aircraft of the two planes.
Mirage 3, better avionics, ergonomics
Pakistani Mirage lll and Mirage 5 are more better than indian Mig-21 and Jaguar,,,,, Alhamdulillah!
Yet couldnt win any war with india😂😂😂
The MiG 21F was absolute garbage. The 21 didn’t really get good until the 21PF , PFM, Bis.
RIP for f 16 and Thier pilot
Well, I think mig 21 would win the dog fight. Because Indian mig 21 pilots are more talented than the Pakistani mirage 3 pilots.
You didn't tell any useful information regarding fighters ability like speed of lifting up and so on