I totally get where Jenny is coming from here. If I was in her situation I would most definitely not be impressed with Claire. But I really think in some ways she's over reacting because she's very hurt. It's obvious how much family is to her (and all the Frasers for that matter) and from what all she knows Claire just up and left them with no word. She doesn't know the whole story. I also don't like that Claire didn't explain that she had to leave for Bree's sake. I think that if she had told Jenny this it would have been easier for Jenny to forgive her. Because being Red Jamie's wife, a known Sassanach "witch" and someone who traveled with the Jacobite army it would have put Herself (Claire), Bree and the whole of Lallybroch at risk. No one here is completely in the right, nor is anyone completely in the wrong. Very frustrating and complicated for someone who knows the whole story.
If Claire told Jenny about Brianna, how would she explain where Bree is now, and why Claire never wrote to Jenny and Ian from America to tell them they have a niece?
What sucks the most is that this is not how it goes in the books at all. Jenny is THRILLED to have Claire back. She is angry. They do hash it out. But it's resolved in a beautiful way that this show just butchered.
TuomariMuller to be fair yeah it is. Imagine if your brother or sister spouse left them and they became an entire mess for years until they finally got their self back together only for the missing spouse to return. You’d be pretty pissed because in a way, it’s ruining your family. I understand Jenny’s anger towards Claire but that’s only because she doesn’t know the full story
Claire's story makes sense a women in the 1700s who was the wife of a know traitor would have been running from the law makes sense. Sticking around and the family would have only caused them trouble. So logically it makes sense.
Yeah but it doesn’t make sense not to clue the family in on it. We know that there’s no way Claire could have written Jenny from where she was in the 1900’s but from what Jenny knows, there’s really no good excuse for not at least writing.
No matter if I agree with the fact that Claire could have told about Bree... it leaves the question open:' So where is your child now? Where is my niece? Why isn't she here? Can't we just sail to America and get her?' Claire doesn't think she will ever see Bree again... and Jaime isn't thinking about the fact that he can meet Bree.
I love how it ended up happening in the books but I wish Claire would’ve just told Jenny about the time traveling here!!!!! Made me so sad that they didn’t trust each other for so long
@@MichaelCH2007 Then let her think Claire's insane. But she'll be able to see that Claire believes it and is trying to be honest. She'll get over the rest eventually, and Jaime can help her. Or Jenny will completely write them both off - but that puts the ball in Jenny's court at least.
I think Ian had it right. Jenny is as upset about her feelings of being hurt as she is Jaime's. She knows how much Claire would've done anything for Jaime. Jenny must know there is more to it and she is upset that she isn't being told. Jenny had to know Leorghie was a disaster altogether. Who would ever push off Leorghie or anyone? Lol.
I think its stupid she decided to use Frank as her excuse. Telling her about Bree would have been a better option. She could have told her she was pregnant, believed Jamie was dead and was afraid that her helping Jamie would mark her as a traitor too and that she left so the british wouldn't punish her and take her baby away. She could also use that fear for a reason for why she didn't contact Jenny all this time. Telling her about Frank means that in the eyes of the law she and Jamie were never legally married and his marriage with Laoghaire was valid.
The way Claire tells it to Jenny it sounds like she was only married to Jamie from after she came back to him (1948 and onwards) not before she met Jamie. So the way she tells it, the marriage to Jamie would have been legal, but not the marriage to Frank. But to your point, I also wish she used Brianna and safety as an excuse, which in a way was one of the main reason to go back and stay in the future in the first place.
This is s-o-o-o messed up. Book Jenny encouraged the match with Leghair, not knowing about Leggy trying to get Claire killed, and Jamie married her also without knowing, feeling lost and lonely. But Jenny saw Claire's "fetch" standing between Jamie and Leggy at the altar during the wedding ceremony and knew Claire would come to take him back, and that the 2nd marriage was doomed before it even started. Claire's return is not a complete shock to Jenny. (Jenny never tells Jamie what she saw.) But here, she just turns into a living turd and stays that way throughout the rest of the series, if they follow the books. I think it was a major mistake for the show writers to reveal Leghair's treachery as early as they did, and to leave out that wedding scene. Presumably, they will also have to leave out that great book scene when Leghair's treachery is revealed to Jenny and her family. (It's the only time I actually admired Brianna.)
lemorab1 I totally agree .. this was a big scene in the book & they’ve changed so much ...and the fight , Jamie was much more aggressive & Claire’s lip was bloodied in the book & Jenny was concerned for her .
lemorab1 they can still include that as it's not the resemblance to her father that make Jenny know her as Jamie's daughter but her resemblance to her grandmother Ellen Mackenzie Fraser that help Jenny there and it's only jamie that knows about what laoghaire did it's during that confrontation between laoghaire and Brianna that Jenny and Ian learn the truth so that's a scene that can still be in s 4
Thanks for your clarification. I thought, somehow, that Jenny knew that Leggy tried to get Claire burned at the stake and went head with the matchmaking anyway! After 15 years, it's hard to remember what order some events happen in, and who knows what and when do they know it. I hope that epic scene will happen. However, I can't see little miss Sophie Skelton reading Leghair's beads properly.
For heaven's sake...she could be honest about Bree... beyond all comprehension. It was wrong of Jamie not to clear that up between both women. In the book, he told Jenny Claire was pregnant after Jenny had given birth to Ian, and she never thinks to ask?!!!
That was something we can agree on he says he's always told her the truth why not the fact she has a niece but I suppose how could he explain she is 200 years in the future ? But yes in the book from memory his words are something like " she was with child when I lost her " missed opportunity that I hope they make up for in the next season !!
I really wish they would have just told Jenny the truth. I think she would have believed them. She already knew Claire as some sort of a wise woman. And it would have been easier for Jenny to understand and reconcile that Claire literally had no way to contact them because she was in the future. And that Jamie wanted her to go back to the future for her & Brianna’s safety too. Claire would never have just up and left the way they were lying and saying she did. Jenny knows that.. she knows Claire better than that.
Back in those days it was about survival for women. That's why she told her it was for survival. It was about getting the protection. She married Jamie for the same purpose, did she not? Protection. Jenny knows and understands this and also knows that a husband would have any right in those days to tell his wife to move on and that it would be a wife's duty to help make that marriage work for her own sake. That's why Jenny says she hears truth in it. To her in that era it would make perfect sense
@@allisonthorson1682 fuck that she went back to a happy life with frank and lied too bree her whole childhood for frank when jamie is the one saved their life and gave up everything and ended back in jail at the very least jamie deserved for his daughter to know about him growing up so that when they finally meet he wouldn't be getting looked down on or as the second fiddle to frank with his own flesh and blood who he literally gave up everything for instead bree tells him every chance she gets that she loves frank more them him which is fucked up
Virginia Ivins how can she without seeming insane as jamie says to her when she wants to do that if you tell her you came from another time you might as well convince her you're a mermaid !!
Don't think you payed much attention to this ep,did you not hear what jamie said when Claire even suggested to telling jenny,he said jenny would think Claire was crazy!
This is going to make it more awkward for next season when Jenny meets Brianna why did they change this Jenny was more empathetic towards Claire when she returned in fact it was jamie she reserved her anger for !!
I don't think you are remembering the books correctly if you read them that is. During this time in the book and after, it's stated that Jenny is very ugh towards Claire for a long long time, and it never is the way it was.
I feel like Claire should have told her either the whole truth or at least the part where Jamie sent her away and told her not to look back, and the husband in America said he would only have her if she didn’t try to look for Jamie while he was alive. I feel like she would have understood better when she said it was a matter of survival, and once she learned of Brianna it would have all made a lot more sense to her.
I wish Claire would have told Jenny the entire truth about being from the future and then going back because of Brianna. I think she would have excepted it just the way that Murtagh did. She would have been more understanding of the situation I think.
I think Jenny was dead wrong here. It made me stop liking her character. One: She saw the pain and trauma Jaime went through when returning from Culloden. Mostly because of the loss of Claire. Two: It was NOT her place to call her brother's other wife over. It was none of her business, and it put not only Claire, but Jaime in a volatile position. Where's the loyalty? What did she think Larioge would or could do exactly? Plus she had to know being a married woman herself, that if there was no legal separation or divorce, Claire is still his one true wife. What she did was COMPLETELY inappropriate!!! Three: She didn't even give her brother a chance to explain to Claire. I could see if he had let the farce go on for days, but they had only just arrived. Jaime wouldn't have went too long without telling Claire the truth. One thing we know for sure about the two of them is they are honest with each other, even if it hurts. I kind of understand her being hurt that Claire was alive all those years and didn't reach out to her, but there was the aftermath of war in Scotland where people were being shot, hanged and imprisoned on sight for being remotely associated with Culloden. Nobody was thinking about Jenny's feelings. She went from being a badass to being a drama queen. Totally messed up her character in my eyes.
Thank you!!! Finally someone with common sense! I was loosing my mind while reading all this comments giving reason to Jenny and condemning Claire. Jenny was so wrooong!!! I would have been Claire, I would have properly ignore her, especially after Jenny called loaghire. I would have been maaad!!!
Ngl... I think I love Jenny more than I love Claire. She's a right mama bear... You don't mess with Jenny. They should have told her the truth from the beginning.
I love this series, --- BUT... They WERE all frozen in time, --- all except Ian who, for some reason they've aged greatly. Every body else looks EXACTLY like they did 20 years ago!!!... This is very unrealistic and actually downright sloppy.
xxwhispersxx In the new books coming out Claire is supposed to be 62. With Jamie being about 57 I guess. I don’t tbjnk the show will go that far though.
This is the worst scene. I don't know any mother that would deny their own child, but it seems like she just threw Brianna under a bus. And given that Claire has seen Jamie as a stepfather (argh) to Laoghaire's girl's, she would be justified telling Jenny she raised Bree with Frank because she thought Jamie was dead. Doesn't matter if Jenny likes it, she would at least understand protecting your child. Also, they made it sound like Claire is on par with Laoghaire's, needing a man just to provide for her.
Jacquelyn Dixon that is so far from the truth ! How can she explain bree when she is 200 years in the future without it sounding like a tall tale and no Claire and jamie aren't on par with him and laoghaire she doesn't need jamie she came back for love not because she needs him but because he's her soulmate !
Please! She could just say she raised her in the colonies without the 200 years bit. And my point about the screenwriters having Claire say it was a "matter of survival" makes it sound like Claire needed a man to support her. Jenny, in her time, would understand(and be more willing to forgive) Claire needing support to raise a child. I certainly don't see Claire as on par with Laoghaire. Finally, Jenny believes in Claire having the Sight (potatoes) so telling her she had a vision thinking Jamie was killed, or even telling her about the stones doesn't seem unreasonable to me.
No offense to you, but Claire told the truth. A woman who disappeared from her husband for a couple of years, comes back pregnant, and has a child unwed and alone? Sorry, but that was unheard of in the 40's, which was when Claire returned back in time. So yes, her staying with Frank was a matter of survival. You are looking at it through the prism of modern time.
Jacquelyn Dixon she says this because saying she married for survival sake is something Jenny would understand and what makes you think that if she told her about Brianna that Jenny wouldn't wonder why she isn't with her mother ?
Still missing my point. Without knowing that Claire was pregnant, Jenny doesn't understand why Claire didn't return to Lallybroch to help and be with family if Jamie was killed. As for your comments about social norms, lots of women actually did raise children alone after the wars. My great great grandmother did.
I know this is late but they called them the Americas, there were multiple colonies from multiple countries too. I think either term would have been fine.
I totally get where Jenny is coming from here. If I was in her situation I would most definitely not be impressed with Claire. But I really think in some ways she's over reacting because she's very hurt. It's obvious how much family is to her (and all the Frasers for that matter) and from what all she knows Claire just up and left them with no word. She doesn't know the whole story.
I also don't like that Claire didn't explain that she had to leave for Bree's sake. I think that if she had told Jenny this it would have been easier for Jenny to forgive her. Because being Red Jamie's wife, a known Sassanach "witch" and someone who traveled with the Jacobite army it would have put Herself (Claire), Bree and the whole of Lallybroch at risk.
No one here is completely in the right, nor is anyone completely in the wrong. Very frustrating and complicated for someone who knows the whole story.
If Claire told Jenny about Brianna, how would she explain where Bree is now, and why Claire never wrote to Jenny and Ian from America to tell them they have a niece?
What sucks the most is that this is not how it goes in the books at all. Jenny is THRILLED to have Claire back. She is angry. They do hash it out. But it's resolved in a beautiful way that this show just butchered.
We all understand her - it's just none of her business.
RenaRoo123 I get her anger and she is tough which I like but she can be such a self righteous bitch which I don’t like.
TuomariMuller to be fair yeah it is. Imagine if your brother or sister spouse left them and they became an entire mess for years until they finally got their self back together only for the missing spouse to return. You’d be pretty pissed because in a way, it’s ruining your family. I understand Jenny’s anger towards Claire but that’s only because she doesn’t know the full story
Claire's story makes sense a women in the 1700s who was the wife of a know traitor would have been running from the law makes sense. Sticking around and the family would have only caused them trouble. So logically it makes sense.
Yeah but it doesn’t make sense not to clue the family in on it. We know that there’s no way Claire could have written Jenny from where she was in the 1900’s but from what Jenny knows, there’s really no good excuse for not at least writing.
such a GOOD SCENE, 2 strong women trying to protect the people they love
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Neither do I.
It's a STUPID SCENE! Jenny is always overreacting
No matter if I agree with the fact that Claire could have told about Bree... it leaves the question open:' So where is your child now? Where is my niece? Why isn't she here? Can't we just sail to America and get her?' Claire doesn't think she will ever see Bree again... and Jaime isn't thinking about the fact that he can meet Bree.
You can't blame Jenny for being so pissed.
I agree, you can't just walk back in after 20 years and expect everything is going to be the same. life went on.
I love how it ended up happening in the books but I wish Claire would’ve just told Jenny about the time traveling here!!!!! Made me so sad that they didn’t trust each other for so long
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If she did, then Jenny would've thought she was insane. Jamie said in the episode that she would've had many questions that they couldn't answer.
@@MichaelCH2007 Then let her think Claire's insane. But she'll be able to see that Claire believes it and is trying to be honest. She'll get over the rest eventually, and Jaime can help her. Or Jenny will completely write them both off - but that puts the ball in Jenny's court at least.
I think Ian had it right. Jenny is as upset about her feelings of being hurt as she is Jaime's. She knows how much Claire would've done anything for Jaime. Jenny must know there is more to it and she is upset that she isn't being told. Jenny had to know Leorghie was a disaster altogether. Who would ever push off Leorghie or anyone? Lol.
I am happy that Jenny didnt let Claire go out easily...they know why and did their decicion but it also affected many other people too.
I think its stupid she decided to use Frank as her excuse. Telling her about Bree would have been a better option. She could have told her she was pregnant, believed Jamie was dead and was afraid that her helping Jamie would mark her as a traitor too and that she left so the british wouldn't punish her and take her baby away. She could also use that fear for a reason for why she didn't contact Jenny all this time. Telling her about Frank means that in the eyes of the law she and Jamie were never legally married and his marriage with Laoghaire was valid.
Not really because in the 18th century Frank doesn’t exist.
@@kikilu79 She doesn’t know that.
The way Claire tells it to Jenny it sounds like she was only married to Jamie from after she came back to him (1948 and onwards) not before she met Jamie. So the way she tells it, the marriage to Jamie would have been legal, but not the marriage to Frank.
But to your point, I also wish she used Brianna and safety as an excuse, which in a way was one of the main reason to go back and stay in the future in the first place.
But Jenny would ask where is Bree, and what would Claire reply? I left her 200 years in the future?
@@siddharthshyamsunder418 Just tell her she's back in Boston. Its not like Jenny had any future plans to go to leave Scotland for Boston.
This is s-o-o-o messed up. Book Jenny encouraged the match with Leghair, not knowing about Leggy trying to get Claire killed, and Jamie married her also without knowing, feeling lost and lonely. But Jenny saw Claire's "fetch" standing between Jamie and Leggy at the altar during the wedding ceremony and knew Claire would come to take him back, and that the 2nd marriage was doomed before it even started. Claire's return is not a complete shock to Jenny. (Jenny never tells Jamie what she saw.) But here, she just turns into a living turd and stays that way throughout the rest of the series, if they follow the books. I think it was a major mistake for the show writers to reveal Leghair's treachery as early as they did, and to leave out that wedding scene. Presumably, they will also have to leave out that great book scene when Leghair's treachery is revealed to Jenny and her family. (It's the only time I actually admired Brianna.)
lemorab1 I totally agree .. this was a big scene in the book & they’ve changed so much ...and the fight , Jamie was much more aggressive & Claire’s lip was bloodied in the book & Jenny was concerned for her .
lemorab1 they can still include that as it's not the resemblance to her father that make Jenny know her as Jamie's daughter but her resemblance to her grandmother Ellen Mackenzie Fraser that help Jenny there and it's only jamie that knows about what laoghaire did it's during that confrontation between laoghaire and Brianna that Jenny and Ian learn the truth so that's a scene that can still be in s 4
But she does mention that in the next scene after Claire has given Jamie the penicillin when they are on the steps she mentions the fetch then !
Thanks for your clarification. I thought, somehow, that Jenny knew that Leggy tried to get Claire burned at the stake and went head with the matchmaking anyway! After 15 years, it's hard to remember what order some events happen in, and who knows what and when do they know it. I hope that epic scene will happen. However, I can't see little miss Sophie Skelton reading Leghair's beads properly.
Michelle Flood Don't forget the freshwater Scottish pearls.
I still think that Claire should have told Jenny the truth
For heaven's sake...she could be honest about Bree... beyond all comprehension. It was wrong of Jamie not to clear that up between both women. In the book, he told Jenny Claire was pregnant after Jenny had given birth to Ian, and she never thinks to ask?!!!
The changed a lot of stuff.
I know right! It killed when both Jamie didn't just tell her about Brianna.
That was something we can agree on he says he's always told her the truth why not the fact she has a niece but I suppose how could he explain she is 200 years in the future ? But yes in the book from memory his words are something like " she was with child when I lost her " missed opportunity that I hope they make up for in the next season !!
I believe this but Jaime's rational makes more sense besides she doesn't owe Jenny that
I’m so sad they couldn’t made scene with Brianna and Jenny, BC in the book that’s where Jenny kinda gets that Claire was protecting Jamie’s child.
Thank you SO much for uploading these! I have to wait for the entire season on Netflix and I was going crazy waiting! Bless you!
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Yes, thank you... Thank you. I love this series.
I really wish they would have just told Jenny the truth. I think she would have believed them. She already knew Claire as some sort of a wise woman. And it would have been easier for Jenny to understand and reconcile that Claire literally had no way to contact them because she was in the future. And that Jamie wanted her to go back to the future for her & Brianna’s safety too. Claire would never have just up and left the way they were lying and saying she did. Jenny knows that.. she knows Claire better than that.
In one of the later books they do tell Jenny about the time travel..... and jenny doesn't believe them.
Honestly, sounds horrible: when my other husband died, I remember Jamie and his family. Is not exactly, but sounds like that.
Back in those days it was about survival for women. That's why she told her it was for survival. It was about getting the protection. She married Jamie for the same purpose, did she not? Protection. Jenny knows and understands this and also knows that a husband would have any right in those days to tell his wife to move on and that it would be a wife's duty to help make that marriage work for her own sake. That's why Jenny says she hears truth in it. To her in that era it would make perfect sense
Right? She should have told her about Bree instead and said she went on the run to protect herself and her baby.
@@allisonthorson1682 fuck that she went back to a happy life with frank and lied too bree her whole childhood for frank when jamie is the one saved their life and gave up everything and ended back in jail at the very least jamie deserved for his daughter to know about him growing up so that when they finally meet he wouldn't be getting looked down on or as the second fiddle to frank with his own flesh and blood who he literally gave up everything for instead bree tells him every chance she gets that she loves frank more them him which is fucked up
Jenny has every right to be upset.
Claire should tell Jenny where she's been!
Virginia Ivins how can she without seeming insane as jamie says to her when she wants to do that if you tell her you came from another time you might as well convince her you're a mermaid !!
WHAT THEN LEGGY AND JENNY AND THE TOWN PEOPLE WOULD KILL CLAIRE DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT YOUR WATCHING
Don't think you payed much attention to this ep,did you not hear what jamie said when Claire even suggested to telling jenny,he said jenny would think Claire was crazy!
This is going to make it more awkward for next season when Jenny meets Brianna why did they change this Jenny was more empathetic towards Claire when she returned in fact it was jamie she reserved her anger for !!
I don't think you are remembering the books correctly if you read them that is. During this time in the book and after, it's stated that Jenny is very ugh towards Claire for a long long time, and it never is the way it was.
@@madamezimba1007 I just read the book. She's not as ugh as the show shows her to be. Their reunion was much more touching...
I never really understood why they never told her the truth about Claire I really think that they should have
I feel like Claire should have told her either the whole truth or at least the part where Jamie sent her away and told her not to look back, and the husband in America said he would only have her if she didn’t try to look for Jamie while he was alive. I feel like she would have understood better when she said it was a matter of survival, and once she learned of Brianna it would have all made a lot more sense to her.
No entiendo ni mais pero la hermana de geimi tiene una voz potente que no mebe duda es una Buena actris, mis respeto para ella
I wish Claire would have told Jenny the entire truth about being from the future and then going back because of Brianna. I think she would have excepted it just the way that Murtagh did. She would have been more understanding of the situation I think.
It's no wonder Jenny. Claire hadn't spoken for 20 years and suddenly she showed up.
Jenny s'est senti abandonnée par Cait elle lui fait sentir et lui reproche d'avoir laisser Jamie très bon affrontement 😡👏👏
I wish they would just tell jenny
I think Jenny was dead wrong here. It made me stop liking her character. One: She saw the pain and trauma Jaime went through when returning from Culloden. Mostly because of the loss of Claire. Two: It was NOT her place to call her brother's other wife over. It was none of her business, and it put not only Claire, but Jaime in a volatile position. Where's the loyalty? What did she think Larioge would or could do exactly? Plus she had to know being a married woman herself, that if there was no legal separation or divorce, Claire is still his one true wife. What she did was COMPLETELY inappropriate!!! Three: She didn't even give her brother a chance to explain to Claire. I could see if he had let the farce go on for days, but they had only just arrived. Jaime wouldn't have went too long without telling Claire the truth. One thing we know for sure about the two of them is they are honest with each other, even if it hurts. I kind of understand her being hurt that Claire was alive all those years and didn't reach out to her, but there was the aftermath of war in Scotland where people were being shot, hanged and imprisoned on sight for being remotely associated with Culloden. Nobody was thinking about Jenny's feelings. She went from being a badass to being a drama queen. Totally messed up her character in my eyes.
Thank you!!! Finally someone with common sense! I was loosing my mind while reading all this comments giving reason to Jenny and condemning Claire. Jenny was so wrooong!!! I would have been Claire, I would have properly ignore her, especially after Jenny called loaghire. I would have been maaad!!!
Ngl... I think I love Jenny more than I love Claire. She's a right mama bear... You don't mess with Jenny. They should have told her the truth from the beginning.
I love this series, --- BUT... They WERE all frozen in time, --- all except Ian who, for some reason they've aged greatly. Every body else looks EXACTLY like they did 20 years ago!!!... This is very unrealistic and actually downright sloppy.
Well it makes a little sense , because the characters are now closer in age with the actors who play them.
@@ruanaribeiro Not quite? Cait and Sam are both 40 and their characters are in their late 50's now.
xxwhispersxx In the new books coming out Claire is supposed to be 62. With Jamie being about 57 I guess. I don’t tbjnk the show will go that far though.
Poor Claire. Jenny is so mean.
Right! She really is.
This is the worst scene. I don't know any mother that would deny their own child, but it seems like she just threw Brianna under a bus. And given that Claire has seen Jamie as a stepfather (argh) to Laoghaire's girl's, she would be justified telling Jenny she raised Bree with Frank because she thought Jamie was dead. Doesn't matter if Jenny likes it, she would at least understand protecting your child. Also, they made it sound like Claire is on par with Laoghaire's, needing a man just to provide for her.
Jacquelyn Dixon that is so far from the truth ! How can she explain bree when she is 200 years in the future without it sounding like a tall tale and no Claire and jamie aren't on par with him and laoghaire she doesn't need jamie she came back for love not because she needs him but because he's her soulmate !
Please! She could just say she raised her in the colonies without the 200 years bit. And my point about the screenwriters having Claire say it was a "matter of survival" makes it sound like Claire needed a man to support her. Jenny, in her time, would understand(and be more willing to forgive) Claire needing support to raise a child. I certainly don't see Claire as on par with Laoghaire. Finally, Jenny believes in Claire having the Sight (potatoes) so telling her she had a vision thinking Jamie was killed, or even telling her about the stones doesn't seem unreasonable to me.
No offense to you, but Claire told the truth. A woman who disappeared from her husband for a couple of years, comes back pregnant, and has a child unwed and alone? Sorry, but that was unheard of in the 40's, which was when Claire returned back in time. So yes, her staying with Frank was a matter of survival. You are looking at it through the prism of modern time.
Jacquelyn Dixon she says this because saying she married for survival sake is something Jenny would understand and what makes you think that if she told her about Brianna that Jenny wouldn't wonder why she isn't with her mother ?
Still missing my point. Without knowing that Claire was pregnant, Jenny doesn't understand why Claire didn't return to Lallybroch to help and be with family if Jamie was killed. As for your comments about social norms, lots of women actually did raise children alone after the wars. My great great grandmother did.
How would Claire and Jamie explain Briana to Jenny?
Tell her!!!!!
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Дженни вообще не следовало к ним входить! Сами бы разобрались, не маленькие!
She used the term America, which didnt exist yet...theu were the colonies
I know this is late but they called them the Americas, there were multiple colonies from multiple countries too. I think either term would have been fine.
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yeah....somebody obviously didn't know about the story of Amerigo Vespucci
I'm with Jenny
Likely stubborn
Jenny !!!!!
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