witchput turbo ? it will have like 25 hp and 40 nm 🤐 it be cheap reliable and will burn less fuell probably but it be yea slow 25 hp mean accelerstion 0-100 in 200 kg naked on around 10 sec with top speed 130 -140 km/h with turbo thats diffrent story ….
@@mociczyczkiwith a turbo it would be unreliable. The cost of maintenance and more expensive oil would make it unattractive. maybe a supercharger is a better solution.
@@Absinthium-tu9uq small turbo whcih can stand 100 k km in cars usually they stand 200 k km so 🤷🏻♂️ not shabby 😉👍🏻 i do in seson 10-15 k km so for me such turbo be work fine for +/- 10-20 years 👌🏻 500 ccm depend on power lvel which you want achieve amd torq ,supercharger isint as efficient in terms of torq and power more reliable ? 🤔 maybe dont have knowkedge here but it ahve huga advantage lack of turbolag /it have faster response on throtle open probably similar to n/a so its huge benefit but power and torq level itself well you cant beat turbo be supercharger in this category 👍🏻 lets assuming you want 50 hp from 500 cc disel engine with turbo and like 100 nm achieve such level if turbo size be choicen good and overall whole cosntruction project good can be very reliable 👌🏻 + system which prevent use to much psi/turbo rpm if engine and turbo oil asf dont have enoigh temp on forst phase of ride + system software which after ride also hold engine be couple sek/mints work for lowering temp of turbo asf after ride with such sytem turbo can withchastnd very long 👌🏻for 500ccm dospalcement engine fromw hich you want 50 hp and 100 nm turbo dont need tobe big and expensive 👌🏻manufactpry try to gp woth turbo in bikes on market many years ago like honda cx800 turbo asf but most people dosent care about how much bike burn fuell and such similar pracitacsl stuff 90 % peoplewant from bike only fun when they ride and turbo makes bikes heavier more complicated and have turbo lag / slow response on throtle + if not good setup it can have also tubro hole so non linear power build through rev range from idle tp rpm limiter when it starts pump up on some point power start build more rapidly it isint apreciate setup be people with knowledge how stuff here work 👌🏻 so at end they /those bikes woth turbo have very short live on market cos people buy lighter les conplocsted bike with fadter response on throtle with similar power from higher rev engine with lower torq which yep burn more fuell but like im wrote who /how many people reallly count how much they burn fuell when ride once in week theyr supersport 600 asf 🤷🏻♂️ 1 on 100 maybe most dosent care it burn 4 or 6 l 👌🏻….
The government's of countries like the uk don't want us to have diesel engines. Simply because they can't totally control the price of whatever fuel you decide to put in it. Has nothing to do with emissions or global warming. It's all about control.
@Absinthium-tu9uq adding a turbo would not make it more unreliable if done correctly but to build a good deisel costs a lot because of the high temps and pressures it has to withstand, supercharger would be bad for efficiency because of the parasitic loss, it would also be heavy. Good for a tourer
It wasn't THAT long ago that a fast street 750 only made just over 100HP. With that in mind, it would be interesting to ride this thing, maybe it's fun!
@@boracay12 I think you missed my point. In the 90's my buddy had a zx7 that put out 110hp on the dyno, it had a D&D exhaust and a jet kit but was otherwise stock, it was plenty fast to be fun. So with that in mind, 125hp should be plenty to be fun.
This guy his motto : The definition of can't doesn't exist . i knew about this bike earlier, i was looking for a vw lupo 3l, its a reliable engine which has a lot of torque, ended up finding out about a 3l motorcycle,the lupo 3l itsself had a terrible gearbox, so this will be the best gearbox the engine ever had, good job kees!
Interesting, & I agree, nothing is impossible. There is nothing wrong with using any fuel, it all depends on how much effort we are willing to put into it. Diesel, Hydrogen, or whatever, in time we will find perfection. Keep enjoying the Journey, 👍
The VW engine @ 3:50 is not 1191cc that engine is the 1.2 tdi out of the Polo MK5, The engine in the picture from the Lupo is infact a 1.4 PD which is the 3cylinder variant of the 1.9 PD from the Golf MK4
I have and still drive and buy only diesel cars for everyday life. So I love diesel. But why we need a diesel motorcycle? Only thing worst I can think of it’s electric motorcycle. Motorcycle is fuel efficient even if it’s a 200 hp monster cuz it’s light. And you don’t get the revs with a diesel motorcycle.
That torque is crazy mate not even hyperbike has that torque,everyone thinks the hp or kw is the shit but i bet this thing will smoke a lot of modern bikes.
I think the issue with this diesel engine is the application, engines like these will fare well to tourer class motorcycle.. Too bad we are in the era of electrification now and concept like this will remain in the books
Always thought the thunderstar was the best diesel bike. Uncompromising attention to detail and weight. custom cases, frame etc. Was ahead of its time by a long way. Wonder who owns it now? I built / converted 2 triumph tigers with smart car 800cc common rail engine and harley gearbox around 2010. The economics are difficult for a mass production bike with challenges like weight and also meeting stricter and stricter emissions controls. Petrol bikes are not far behind in fuel economy with manufacturers already experienced with production. Electric bikes are even simpler, cheaper, often faster and zero emissions (just without the same range). Nice video thanks.
@TechnoLogic9 no problem, please don't pick this up as criticism. But rather a fun fact or similar. I'm dutch aswell and i know very well how difficult the dutch names can be when it comes to pronunciation haha 😄 Much love to you man, really liked the video
Twin scroll turbos address that issue. The throttle response on my BMW M57 that has been potholed and tuned is instant. As good or better than any petrol I've ever driven. As an added bonus. Power stalling has the added benefit of spooling the turbos making the launch epic. Far, far better than any petrol engine could muster. Mated to an AWD chassis. You have a hellcat killer.
What a phenomenal achievement. I cannot get over how much torque it has, and so light, too. If it had been developed by the Japanese, it would surely be a commercial success.
Its just too expensive to run a diesel now days, I have to pay about $90 on just 1000 kilometers for road user charges, which for my Toyota regius van it is equivalent to paying over $3 a liter for the fuel...
I kinda skipped through the video while thinking the torque would be fun but even some of the early 2000s Japanese V-twins made too much torque on gas/petrol to be Fast but but fun.. As a rider who want the best... Id love to rip around on this beast for a day melting tyres on the track for a day, but then the competitiveness comes out and i want a cbr1000k set up for the track putting most other riders in the Intermediate riders group to shame. As a rider/mechanic and man with normal sized testicals, i just cant keep up with pro riders without jobs, huge balls and family's to look after that i cant do if im in hospital learning my limits
@@nigeleast-jg7yv hp is how much work can be done over time. a 1000hp/400tq car is always faster than a 400hp/1000tq car, same with every other machine/tool that uses a gearing reduction system ie gearbox.
I clicked this, thinking a new diesel bike was developed. Which could be very possible because looking at companies such as Blacksmoke racing, it becomes clear that diesels can rev pretty high (despite of being more fuel efficient at lower rpm). A 1000cc with over 250hp at 6000+ rpm lies well within range. Don't even think about what would be possible if the cilinder head was designed for power and revs instead of powering a fuel efficient passenger car. But this is just repackaged old news, which is bummer. I read about this 20 years ago.
There are a few things ridiculous here. First getting a Lupo engine from an insider. Because you know you couldn't just get a car and Pull out the Engine or Get an Engine from a crashed car. You had to pull the strings to get one. Lupo 1.2 TDi came out in 1999. Second Starting a High performance Bike engine from a car design is Dumb, they are Not, especially Diesel ones. They are NEVER designed for Full Performance but Common use. Even the Ones like Mercedes OM605/606 come from the factory designed for durability and fuel consumption, and are very Undertuned from the Box. So either the Channel owner if BS-ing a-lot or Starre is... And its also not a novel idea, there were People Putting Mercedes Smart CDI engines in the BMW 90's K-Bikes since the layout was more car like with More traditional car-like Longitudinal engines, inline Clutches and Gearboxes. First time I saw one when I was a Kid in 1999 in Montenegro because we travelled there to the seaside. And 2 Germans had 2 BMW K100's with CDI engines in them arguing at the Fuel station with The Pump boys because they wanted to put Diesel in the Bikes, neither speaking English nor each others' language. Smart CDI also came out in 1999. I wonder if they had Insiders too in Mercedes to get the engines. It's actually even Better because it's a slap at BMW to put a better brand Engine in their Creation and satisfying at another level :)
Would like to see a 649cc or less preferably a twin engine on a enduro platform. Would be economical and capable of dealing with uk potholes. Minimal tax a complete 2 fingers to government and the green hippy self lovers.
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The torque was so enormous,that no gearbox could handle it. given its dimensions. even the primairy kept failing
yeah, those robo shifters were also expensive to repair, and still is, i wonder for how much these cars go today
we need a 500ccm 2cylinder diesel motorbike. cheap and reliable
witchput turbo ? it will have like 25 hp and 40 nm 🤐 it be cheap reliable and will burn less fuell probably but it be yea slow 25 hp mean accelerstion 0-100 in 200 kg naked on around 10 sec with top speed 130 -140 km/h with turbo thats diffrent story ….
@@mociczyczkiwith a turbo it would be unreliable. The cost of maintenance and more expensive oil would make it unattractive. maybe a supercharger is a better solution.
@@Absinthium-tu9uq small turbo whcih can stand 100 k km in cars usually they stand 200 k km so 🤷🏻♂️ not shabby 😉👍🏻 i do in seson 10-15 k km so for me such turbo be work fine for +/- 10-20 years 👌🏻 500 ccm depend on power lvel which you want achieve amd torq ,supercharger isint as efficient in terms of torq and power more reliable ? 🤔 maybe dont have knowkedge here but it ahve huga advantage lack of turbolag /it have faster response on throtle open probably similar to n/a so its huge benefit but power and torq level itself well you cant beat turbo be supercharger in this category 👍🏻 lets assuming you want 50 hp from 500 cc disel engine with turbo and like 100 nm achieve such level if turbo size be choicen good and overall whole cosntruction project good can be very reliable 👌🏻 + system which prevent use to much psi/turbo rpm if engine and turbo oil asf dont have enoigh temp on forst phase of ride + system software which after ride also hold engine be couple sek/mints work for lowering temp of turbo asf after ride with such sytem turbo can withchastnd very long 👌🏻for 500ccm dospalcement engine fromw hich you want 50 hp and 100 nm turbo dont need tobe big and expensive 👌🏻manufactpry try to gp woth turbo in bikes on market many years ago like honda cx800 turbo asf but most people dosent care about how much bike burn fuell and such similar pracitacsl stuff 90 % peoplewant from bike only fun when they ride and turbo makes bikes heavier more complicated and have turbo lag / slow response on throtle + if not good setup it can have also tubro hole so non linear power build through rev range from idle tp rpm limiter when it starts pump up on some point power start build more rapidly it isint apreciate setup be people with knowledge how stuff here work 👌🏻 so at end they /those bikes woth turbo have very short live on market cos people buy lighter les conplocsted bike with fadter response on throtle with similar power from higher rev engine with lower torq which yep burn more fuell but like im wrote who /how many people reallly count how much they burn fuell when ride once in week theyr supersport 600 asf 🤷🏻♂️ 1 on 100 maybe most dosent care it burn 4 or 6 l 👌🏻….
The government's of countries like the uk don't want us to have diesel engines.
Simply because they can't totally control the price of whatever fuel you decide to put in it.
Has nothing to do with emissions or global warming.
It's all about control.
@Absinthium-tu9uq adding a turbo would not make it more unreliable if done correctly but to build a good deisel costs a lot because of the high temps and pressures it has to withstand, supercharger would be bad for efficiency because of the parasitic loss, it would also be heavy. Good for a tourer
Could you imagine that torque?? That would be so fun to ride. A wheelie monster.
Actually this kind of engines sounds like perfect for bikes like goldwing
And why is that ?
Low rpm high torque heavy bike
1:26 dude was totally trolling cross eyed lmao
Certain unclear reasons....
@@fatmanridesagain hahah I made that same comment 🤌
It wasn't THAT long ago that a fast street 750 only made just over 100HP. With that in mind, it would be interesting to ride this thing, maybe it's fun!
kawasaki 1000 cc ninja ; 142 HP stock, versus 125 heavy diesel ?
@@boracay12 I think you missed my point. In the 90's my buddy had a zx7 that put out 110hp on the dyno, it had a D&D exhaust and a jet kit but was otherwise stock, it was plenty fast to be fun. So with that in mind, 125hp should be plenty to be fun.
@@8180634 defference is RPM. diesel dont rev, ZX7 would destroy that diesel bike. Oh, and it's not a superbike either. not even close!
Yes, i Would Love 2 ride This bike, just 2 feel the Torque !!! 😀 😀 😀
@@boracay12 with that torque and 125 hp that is a strong bike torque is the main thing that everyone overlooks.
The answer to the question no one ever asked.
Because no one wants and no one needs !
I'd buy it
@@horstd.engart9362 Totally right
I like his motto. "Nothing is Impossible." Eventually.
3 cylinder Kubota Diesel with small turbo. Smooth from perfect balancing, extremely efficient and lasts 10,000+ hrs
50k + hrs
dammm! For sure i would buy one! Love diesel whereever!
lets make a cummins diesel 2 stroke diesel superbike!
This guy his motto : The definition of can't doesn't exist .
i knew about this bike earlier, i was looking for a vw lupo 3l, its a reliable engine which has a lot of torque, ended up finding out about a 3l motorcycle,the lupo 3l itsself had a terrible gearbox, so this will be the best gearbox the engine ever had, good job kees!
I dare say the torque of that TDI would make it feel really fast especially on uphill sections.
Loads of bikes have engines that produce high torque
I would love a kawasaki 650 KLR diesel.
संपीडन प्रज्वलित यन्त्र आधारित द्विपईया वाहन में किसी भी गियर में त्वरण करना बहुत ही क्रांतिकारी है ; बहुत सुंदर निर्माण और प्रस्तुतीकरण 👌👌👏👏 ।
gajab hindi
1:24 "certain unclear reasons prevented the plan from coming to tuition " technician being cross eyed af well there is one of your reasons lol
An informative video on the history of diesel engines on motorcycles.
thank you, much appreciated..
FYI I was the successful bidder and purchased this bike in 2022. I converted it back to gasoline powered and have recycled the diesel engine.
Awesome engineering!
Interesting, & I agree, nothing is impossible. There is nothing wrong with using any fuel, it all depends on how much effort we are willing to put into it.
Diesel, Hydrogen, or whatever, in time we will find perfection.
Keep enjoying the Journey, 👍
The VW engine @ 3:50 is not 1191cc that engine is the 1.2 tdi out of the Polo MK5, The engine in the picture from the Lupo is infact a 1.4 PD which is the 3cylinder variant of the 1.9 PD from the Golf MK4
Very interesting. I think that a small reference to Boccardo 1200 Aéro Diesel may has been of interest
Hope it is good.... but I have big doubts.
Good work
@1:23 a civilian version was attempted but for unknown reasons, unsuccessful
Then cuts to the cross eyed man putting an engine together!!!
Classic!
We just need cheap gasoline
2:13 😆Yoo thats my city Emmen
250 nm of torque is massive
It's definitely not the first but it's still cool 😎
The maker knows it will beat other superbikes.
hahahaha! stop my sides are splitting. beat what? a moped... hahahaha. you got any better jokes?
@madb132 Why do you think diesel is inherently slow? I have a twin turbo diesel BMW that will smoke a Hellcat. Diesel power is no joke.
Kilometers per liter?
Side cart Hill climb racing would be impressive.
It would be awesome to find it and bring it back to glory!
I have and still drive and buy only diesel cars for everyday life. So I love diesel.
But why we need a diesel motorcycle? Only thing worst I can think of it’s electric motorcycle.
Motorcycle is fuel efficient even if it’s a 200 hp monster cuz it’s light. And you don’t get the revs with a diesel motorcycle.
I'd like to know a lot more about diesel motorcycles!
2.5 bar of boost!?! Crazy.
Good video bro but why does everyone use the same irritating ai voice
That torque is crazy mate not even hyperbike has that torque,everyone thinks the hp or kw is the shit but i bet this thing will smoke a lot of modern bikes.
Hope its full of red.....
JUST LEAVE IT IN GREENHOUSE IN GLASS JARS......
@@rumpoh8039 I run mine on kero.. much cheaper
What mitsubishi turbo?
Where did it go.
wow and peace be upon you sir from me
I think the issue with this diesel engine is the application, engines like these will fare well to tourer class motorcycle..
Too bad we are in the era of electrification now and concept like this will remain in the books
(1990-2000)Royal Endfield Taurus/DieselBullet
not the first..us military had a bunch of Kawie klx's that were diesel . They are pretty cool but parts are hard to get.
Those aren't superbikes. Did you watch the video? He talks about those.
*0:45 of course we don't have a clue how much or not much that is in litres/100kms, but still appreciate about using metric 😂😂😂😂
Always thought the thunderstar was the best diesel bike. Uncompromising attention to detail and weight. custom cases, frame etc. Was ahead of its time by a long way. Wonder who owns it now?
I built / converted 2 triumph tigers with smart car 800cc common rail engine and harley gearbox around 2010. The economics are difficult for a mass production bike with challenges like weight and also meeting stricter and stricter emissions controls. Petrol bikes are not far behind in fuel economy with manufacturers already experienced with production. Electric bikes are even simpler, cheaper, often faster and zero emissions (just without the same range).
Nice video thanks.
Its would make sense to build a big touring bike ware speed ant really needed if it costs were right
'Nothing is impossible.' Oh, God! You're not gonna make a Styrofoam bike, are ya?
Would like to see this in person, maybe a 2 mile test ride on it?
Love to see more diesel bikes
Why????
Kees van de Starre's first name "Kees" can also be pronounced as "Case" as in "cold case" or "in this case" etc. Instead of "keese"
noted, thank you...
@TechnoLogic9 no problem, please don't pick this up as criticism. But rather a fun fact or similar.
I'm dutch aswell and i know very well how difficult the dutch names can be when it comes to pronunciation haha 😄
Much love to you man, really liked the video
That torque would be frightening in the wet 😂
Oh fun that's all I want is to be having to top up my def every time I get fuel
Having hit diesel spills and knowing just how insanely slippery it is... I'll pass on having in run on the stuff... You know ,"just in case"
Please edit your video
The vw lupo tdi engine is 1.4l not 1.2
There is also a 1.2 variant of the lupo
What eurospec would it be today?
euro 0.4
6:44 I'm pretty sure "white power" did not make the suspension lol pretty sure that's WP GmBH
86 Km/l !!!
The gasoline engines throttle response is always better than diesels ☝️🤓
But diesel have more torque They will catch up 😅😅
Twin scroll turbos address that issue. The throttle response on my BMW M57 that has been potholed and tuned is instant. As good or better than any petrol I've ever driven.
As an added bonus. Power stalling has the added benefit of spooling the turbos making the launch epic. Far, far better than any petrol engine could muster. Mated to an AWD chassis. You have a hellcat killer.
My brain doesn’t recognize newton meters, could just as well used waffles.
Okay 1 newton meter is equivalent to a “well used waffle” divided by pi squared if that helps😂
just imagine a man called Newton dragging a bucket full of apples weighing 1 kilogram for a distance of 1meter in 1 second😂😂😂
❤💪🏻
A diesel chopper would sell big numbers in the states surely?
What a phenomenal achievement. I cannot get over how much torque it has, and so light, too. If it had been developed by the Japanese, it would surely be a commercial success.
PS Thank you so much for making and distributing his video.
Where is the DEF tank going to go?
Vw rabbits had 1.6L and about 60 hp. Maybe 55.
I have a 13,900cc turbo engine in my daily driver that puts out 450hp and 1750ftlb.
13.9L?? What are you daily driving a kenworth truck? lol
@@fullsendmarinedarwin7244 Peterbilt
@@fullsendmarinedarwin7244 haha, yeah, he put it in a harley frame. hahaha
thats ideal for a superbike, try to fit that engine into 2 wheels and a motorcycle frame
Just a six cylinder Peterbilt
Hardly a new idea . A guy has built one using the vw 1.9pd diesel . 180 hp but in a low rider form .
So who said it was a new idea ?????
Shame, but at least the two stroke has been given a new lease of life thanks to Langen
Diesel is horrible for speed but perfect for torque
Its just too expensive to run a diesel now days, I have to pay about $90 on just 1000 kilometers for road user charges, which for my Toyota regius van it is equivalent to paying over $3 a liter for the fuel...
I kinda skipped through the video while thinking the torque would be fun but even some of the early 2000s Japanese V-twins made too much torque on gas/petrol to be Fast but but fun..
As a rider who want the best... Id love to rip around on this beast for a day melting tyres on the track for a day,
but then the competitiveness comes out and i want a cbr1000k set up for the track putting most other riders in the Intermediate riders group to shame.
As a rider/mechanic and man with normal sized testicals, i just cant keep up with pro riders without jobs, huge balls and family's to look after that i cant do if im in hospital learning my limits
You pronounce "Kees" as "case". Now you know.
I worked with someone from Den-Bosch, but his name is spelled Cees, and pronounced Case
diesel engines only in heavy equipment? what about 2.0 TDI, in Europe
Kees is pronounced as "case"
Why ?
Sure. Why not?
It’s definitely not the first! Guy in Doncaster has a diesel powered r1 he built it years ago…
1:25 "Certain unclear reasons......"
Yeah, it would probably be clearer if he wasn't cross-eyed. LOL
Wow it’s the slowest super bike by modern standards
Why?😮
WP is not white power shocks. That's a different thing. Wimm Peterson.
torque doesnt matter. only horsepower. common reverse double misconception
Horsepower equals torque x rpm divide by 5252
@@nigeleast-jg7yv hp is how much work can be done over time. a 1000hp/400tq car is always faster than a 400hp/1000tq car, same with every other machine/tool that uses a gearing reduction system ie gearbox.
''can not doesn't exist"
I clicked this, thinking a new diesel bike was developed.
Which could be very possible because looking at companies such as Blacksmoke racing, it becomes clear that diesels can rev pretty high (despite of being more fuel efficient at lower rpm).
A 1000cc with over 250hp at 6000+ rpm lies well within range. Don't even think about what would be possible if the cilinder head was designed for power and revs instead of powering a fuel efficient passenger car.
But this is just repackaged old news, which is bummer. I read about this 20 years ago.
Belong to past,nothing else!
I don't see the point of a diesel superbike , i would have rather made a 1000cc 4 cylinder 2 stroke engine
too much torque for a bike
It will be too heavy bcs of the 24 ratio gear box. 😅😅
You could use less gears when the power band is a larger % of the overall rpm range tho?
Yeah yeah a truck joke
JP1 and JP2 are jet fuel or Kerosene !
A superbike needs a wide power bandwith. Diesel engines are the opposite.
Better make an EV superbike
There are a few things ridiculous here.
First getting a Lupo engine from an insider. Because you know you couldn't just get a car and Pull out the Engine or Get an Engine from a crashed car. You had to pull the strings to get one. Lupo 1.2 TDi came out in 1999.
Second Starting a High performance Bike engine from a car design is Dumb, they are Not, especially Diesel ones. They are NEVER designed for Full Performance but Common use. Even the Ones like Mercedes OM605/606 come from the factory designed for durability and fuel consumption, and are very Undertuned from the Box.
So either the Channel owner if BS-ing a-lot or Starre is...
And its also not a novel idea, there were People Putting Mercedes Smart CDI engines in the BMW 90's K-Bikes since the layout was more car like with More traditional car-like Longitudinal engines, inline Clutches and Gearboxes. First time I saw one when I was a Kid in 1999 in Montenegro because we travelled there to the seaside. And 2 Germans had 2 BMW K100's with CDI engines in them arguing at the Fuel station with The Pump boys because they wanted to put Diesel in the Bikes, neither speaking English nor each others' language.
Smart CDI also came out in 1999. I wonder if they had Insiders too in Mercedes to get the engines.
It's actually even Better because it's a slap at BMW to put a better brand Engine in their Creation and satisfying at another level :)
Would like to see a 649cc or less preferably a twin engine on a enduro platform. Would be economical and capable of dealing with uk potholes. Minimal tax a complete 2 fingers to government and the green hippy self lovers.
What a waste of opportunity!
You forget that one of the most winning engines at Le Mans is a diesel engine
Ar motociklas turi tempimo kablį
Diesel engines are not built or designed for Speed.. they are designed for Torque and power at low revs...
I think high cylinder count low displacement cylinders and high RPMs are the only way to make a diesel work in a motorcycle.
Slow.