Turn 1 Deployment Tactics for 10th Edition 40k & How to WIN MORE | Competitive Strategy
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- Опубликовано: 29 июн 2024
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In today's Warhammer 40k tactica & strategy guide / tutorial we'll be taking a look at one of the most important skills you could possibly know, how to properly deploy your army in 10th edition 40k.
Specifically we'll be looking at some of the ways to maximize your score from the list building stage all the way up to & past turn 1. If you're new to wh40k & have been struggling to get wins on the tabletop I can almost guarantee these tips will help improve your win rate
We'll be cover a lot of subjects from list building / army creation, proper deployment techniques, choosing secondaries & objectives, scoring primary, basic 40k strategy 'n general tactics, maximizing your score, proper use of Infiltrators / Scouts, move blocking, taking advantage of secondaries & more!
While mainly focusing on Chaos Space Marines & Chaos Daemons these tips will apply to literally ANY army. You may not have Nurglings or Slaanesh Seekers but you should have a Scout Squad, Ork Kommandos, whatever!
I'm hopeful to start up a new series for 2024 that covers more of the 'advanced tactics' for 10th edition. I'd like to cover topics such as building a good army list, making the most out of the Charge & Fight phases, target priority & more!
Eventually I'm hopeful to branch out into Battle Reports & 40k lore, I'm still improving with each & every video so with time those should come!
If you have any suggestions for videos you'd like to see in the future please let me know!
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ARMY LISTS:
Chaos Space Marines - Renegade Raiders 2k Army List
Chaos Lord 90pt
Chaos Lord 90pt
Cultist Mob 50pt
Legionaries 80pt
Legionaries 80pt
Accursed Cultists 85pt
Fellgor Beastmen 85pt
Possessed x10 250pt
Warp Talons 110pt
Warp Talons 110pt
Havocs 120pt
Havocs 120pt
Chaos Bikers 70pt
Venomcrawler 110pt
Maulerfiend 130pt
Forgefiend 190pt
Chaos Rhino 70pt
Chaos Rhino 70pt
Nurglings 40pt
Nurglings 40pt
Chaos Daemons 2,000pt Army List:
Belakor 350pt
Skarbrand 305pt
The Changeling 90pt
Lord of Change w/Everstave 285pt
Great Unclean One w/Endless Gift 260pt
Nurglings 40pt
Nurglings 40pt
Nurglings 40pt
Plaguebearers 110pt
Flesh Hounds 70pt
Flamers 75pt
Flamers 75pt
Flamers 75pt
Seekers 80pt
Seekers 80pt
TIMESTAMPS:
00:00 Intro
00:21 SCORING!!!
02:16 Deployment 101
04:32 List Creation & Planning
06:22 Example Army Lists
07:42 Going First vs Going Second
08:20 Hiding / Gaining Information
09:16 Deploying Infiltrators
12:06 "Drops"
12:54 DEPLOY FOR SECONDARIES!!!
14:38 Unit Types
15:23 Chaff, Scouts, Infiltrators, Reserves
18:05 Using Transports
19:08 Covering Objectives
19:36 Stacking Flanks
20:47 Covering Infiltrators / Punishing Units
21:40 Counter Charges
22:37 Line of Sight!
23:23 Secondaries
24:27 Discarding Cards
25:34 "Hard Secondaries"
26:56 "Easy Secondaries"
33:40 Deployment Example
37:59 Infiltrators / Nurglings
39:35 Pariah Nexus
41:00 Importance of Infiltrators
42:32 Daemons Example Turn
43:44 Move Blocking
44:27 CSM Example Turn
45:37 Scouting Tips
47:26 Infiltrator Tips
48:03 Dealing With Moveblocks
49:46 SCORING SCORING SCORING
50:20 Recap & Outro
Thanks for watching! 
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This one's for all the players out there getting ready for their first RTT or have been struggling with the wins. Try to get your mindset to gaining as many advantages as possible *before the game even starts*. I can't tell you how big of advantage even a single unit of Infiltrators or Scouts can be in pretty much every match up!!
I will say I made a couple small mistakes on VP values & the sort but tbh I recorded this at like 4am so I'm surprised it turned out as well as it did hahah
I'd love to hear if this ends up working out in your next game or you hadn't considered it before - Best of luck guys & lemme know if there's anything you need help with
PS: I'll be doing a collaboration with @slamsectorTV at 4pm PST if anyone would like to come chat about the CSM codex with us!
I'd love to hear your opinion on when exactly redeployment abilities happen, I've seen it split exactly down the middle 50/50 from players, TOs, etc on when exactly the "redeployment" happens. I find it extremely difficult to believe it happens before you roll for determining who goes first due to page 12 on the rules commentary on redeployment and steps 9,10 & 11 of any Leviathan Game.
@@archonwut1624 The way I understand it / play it, the majority happen BEFORE you know who rolls first but certain datasheets spell out it happens after rolling for turns. I believe it was spelled out in the Rules Commentary but as some examples:
Huron Blackheart's says:
After both players have deployed their armies, you can select up to three HERETIC ASTARTES INFANTRY units from your army and redeploy them.
Whereas the Captain in Phobos Armor says:
After both players have deployed their armies **and determined who has the first turn**, if your army includes one or more models with this ability, you can select up to three friendly...
I remember this was definitely a rule that caused some confusion originally but that's the way I understand it for these days. Also very smart pointing out redeploys, after recording this video that was another 'unit type' I realized I should've talked about! Oh well I'll save that for the Pariah Nexus tactica I guess
@@fatarchon Are you going to redo this video to update for Pariah Nexus?
Definitely! I've played a decent # of games so far but I want to get a few more in before I do a deep dive. Definitely thinks it's one of the most important topics to cover so yeah I'll definitely do an update here soon
GW dropping the O OC rule mere hours after you upload an hour-long video with Nurglings in the thumbnail is a personal attack if I've ever seen one. I don't know what have you done to earn their ire, but they're out to get you, Archie.
The Poorhammer effect :/ feels bad
Dude, waking up to see the news was both awesome & horrifying lol. Luckily all the tactics are still sounds but damnit GW you couldn't wait until the day of to tell us?! :P
Certain Mission rules allow for 0C to score secondaries. It’s now mission dependent. Some are good for 0C - not so much. Nice lil change up.
Your vids are the vids I've been looking for! Every 40k video is either too advanced and talking about things idk why i should care about or just reiterating the core rules. Subbed... glad your kinda faction agnostic too, I don't play chaos yet and assume most of us noobs got locked into space marines early because of intro boxes
I even bought a month of art of war 40k and was considering paying vanguard but have learned more with like 2 of your vids
Whoa, that's like, one of the best compliments I've ever gotten lmao. Thank you so much!!
I try to make my pure tactics videos faction agnostic because yeah, only a minority of the player base plays any particular faction though I know Chaos best so I always get stuck on using them as examples 😜
Either way I'm glad you found these helpful, that was a great comment to wake up to hah
This is yet another exceptional tactics video. I've watched a LOT of this kind of content and none of it is as comprehensive nor as digestible as yours.
I've always been a bit hard-headed about scoring. I don't feel it's ever been seamlessly incorporated into the game. What is it supposed to represent? Investigate signals--in the middle of a battle? Deploy teleport homers--what am I teleporting? Now i hear some shit about terraforming. So my Warsmith is a horticulturist now? It just makes 40k feel more like Bloodbowl, dashing around the field scoring points. I'm not in love with it.
GW handwaves it, so maybe I'll find myself a mental maneuver so it doesn't seem as out of place. And I will figure out something, whether it's obligatory Nurglings I don't really want (nor can you find, apparently), or some other chaff unit to do the work. Scoring is a part of the game and it's much, much nicer when you win.
Thanks for this excellent primer. I hope the rest of the audience catches on to what I'm recognizing here. 👍👍
You know, I've never really considered the "why" behind all those actions tbh. I guess I could see them not so much as missions but just like, heroic deeds or "badass moments" during the battle that translate to scoring cool-kid points for? I don't mind them as it forces people to play strategically instead of just tabling each other but that's just my pov!!
FYI they just previewed the Pariah Nexus rules & Nurglings won't be as mandatory as before (OC1 can't do actions anymore, though if they still have Behind Enemy Lines or Engage on All Fronts they *will* stay very valuable then). That said my main point wasn't so much Nurglings, even though I definitely gushing over them, but just infiltrators in general; if your army has an alternative consider giving they a shot sometime!
@@fatarchon thanks so much! I enjoyed this one a lot. I picked up some 3d printed Chaos Bikers to help out with that stuff, much cooler than those ancient ones GW still sells.
I started out playing RPGs in the late 80s and early 90s; then moved over to 40k when it was Rogue Trader. We were always thinking about what our troops were doing. That was just the style of play in my experience.
Thanks for putting this effort in and having such a positive and fun attitude. I'm pretty new to the game so these have been a massive help
Perfect timing dude. I’m playing tomorrow with the Deceptors detachment against Blood Angels. Infiltrate units are sooooo strong. Can’t wait for the new mission pack as well. I work in a FLGS and GW have only allocated us x5 🤷🏼♂️ Hopefully you’ll get a pack and do a video on best tactics. Nice one bro 😎
Lemme know how the game ends up!! Also, do the cards come out Saturday or Sunday? Lol I always forget what day they release on
@@fatarchon The cards are up for pre order today. GW gave us more in the end so that’s good. Unfortunately I lost against the BA’s. It was a tank and dreadnought heavy list and he shot the shit outta me! 😂 But I’ll still crack on with the list as I find it really fun. That being said next time I play him it’ll be the Vashtor detachment all the way 🤘🏻
Awesome video! Used what I learned in a 1500pt game vs my eldar playing friend yesterday and got a win (he won the last 2 before this decisively) ! Deployed cheap units first, thought about missions etc. even though he was killing some big units I still got the points and he surrendered after 3 rounds.
But now a small suggestion for a new video! How to use transports? I tried a rhino for the first time but it just felt like I was missing the point. I think that would be very interesting. You seem to like them, I am planning on building a renegade raiders list and in your video about that you were bringing 3 😮
As always super in depth and easy listening at the same time. Awesome!!!
No lie this is one of the best comments I've ever gotten 😎 Thank you so much for letting me know it helped you & congrats on the win man!! That's fantastic you didn't let your big units dying faze you, sticking to the gameplan & outscoring them is exactly the right call
Thats a great suggestion for transports too. I used to ignore them mostly myself (I always saw having more bodies as better) but once you learn the advantages they're usually the way to go - so yeah I'll see what I can put together. A basic tip for now is that A. You can use them as an objective piñata (sit on an objective & if/when they die you still hold it with your infantry) & B. They make perfect action monkeys; esp now that OC 0 units can't do actions anymore
Anywho, congrats again on the win! Can't tell you how hyped I am to hear that actually helped someone so thanks again for the heads up
Youre videos are 100% helping dude
Appreciate that Isaac!! This is a big one for playing competitively so glad to hear it's helping :)
Great video as always keep up the good work. Loved seeing everything in action. I just picked up TTS today because of your videos, and your TTS start up video was a lifesaver!
Thanks for doing this video! Loved it!
this is truly a great video... thnaks my guy :)
This was extremely helpful. Was hoping to see placing scouts in vehicles work as well, but plenty to learn already! More videos like this, or even just covering smaller scenarios and decisions, would be great! Thanks
Dangit! You know what it was, I had a huge script that went over everything like that but then I realized A. I'm terrible at using scripts & B. The video would go like 3hrs if I did that so I threw it out & winged most of it lol - you're spot on that would've been great to bring up!
Appreciate the suggestion, I very much plan to do more tactica going forward
@@fatarchon It was a really great video! More reasons to make more!
Great vid Archon! Maybe an idea for the next vid.. how to optimise deep strike? I'm really struggling with it. As an deamon and grey knights player non the less 😅
Good looking out! No promises but I'll see what I can do :) Maybe a series on deploying/using reserves for each army
Great video! Gutted GW just announced 0oc units won't get to do actions anymore. Nurglings just tanked!
Annoying infiltrators are still awesome to be speedbumps for your opponent you probably just won't run 3x3.
exactly, they're still awesome just not AS awesome. I still plan to bring ~2 or so as speedbumps 'n screens. Luckily Seekers & all the others still remain as great as before
@@fatarchon The issue with seekers is you have to buy overpriced daemonettes.
Seekers are actually one of the cheapest kits they sell! Along with Daemonettes, so at least for Allies they're a great pick - but yes as someone who owns every single model Daemons currently have.... Pretty goddamn spendy lol
Good vid Broski
Thank you for such impressive content. But I suppose with the new mission pack coming out in a few weeks, you might have to do an additional one :(
Eh that's no biggie, I like doing tacticas the most :) All the baseline strategy is staying the same so this video should still point everyone in the right direction but for sure I'll get an update for Pariah Nexus put together
Hey, im new to the game, Im making an iron warriors/fellhammer seige-host. What adivse would you give a for a slower moving army that specialises in gun fights? Love your videos, btw. You give the best info for a newbie.
My big piece of advise would be to bring at least a few deepstrikers and/or fast moving units to still help with scoring. If you're dead set on the slowly plodding murder style (which is cool af so I don't blame you) I'd maybe consider Terminators in Deepstrike to come down up the board
But yeah, still need *something* to get up the board & put points up for ya!
Теперь мы гении тактики)
Это цель! Something like that ;)
You said you aren't playing Belakor as much anymore. What does your list look like without him, and what made you drop him?
I go over one of the list in my Daemons tactica that should give you an idea (you can skip to the lists at the end, tho if you watch the whole thing I go over my issues with Belakor): ruclips.net/video/MusA2EXvmAM/видео.htmlsi=UeMGPC_J91pgHtyE
These days I usually swap him out for Bloodletter bombs or just more scoring in general. Belakor is TOTALLY usable tho & most tournament lists still bring him so obv he's not bad, but for 350pt I'm not too impressed with his profile personally!
fat Aron, you have to convince my friends that you can deep strike, turned one with Demons.
They say you can’t because the rule stipulate it has to say you can do it turn one.
As I was watching this I saw the new meta Monday release and talk about the new mission pack. OC 0 cannot due actions and the whole assault and pistols actions are gone. Its going to be quite rough for daemons and Tyranids I suspect. Only benefit will be nurglings should go down in price so they will make for a really good screen. Any thoughts on this?
I think Nurglings are still good even if they can't action. 40pts to screen out OTHER infiltrators or blocking scouts is still very worth it to me. They (might) not be a x3 of anymore but at least 1-2 units of them still seems very handy to me considering how cheap they are. It's only actions they cant do either so if GW still has Engage on All Fronts or Behind Enenmy Lines they still have value there too
Just seen that in Pariah Nexus OC 0 units can't do actions anymore :(
Do we still take Nurglings to move blocks or shall we use the points towards other units?
For 40pts I think they're still worth it for the move blocks & whatnot. Probably their most valuable power is screening out OTHER infiltrators & scouts for cheap, so yeah I think at least x1 will *probably* be the way to go
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What kind of maps would you suggest to use for TTS games? I'm not sure if the ones I'm using are particularly good, but they seem a little terrain-light...
I touch on that a little in my TTS tutorial vid *but* I almost always use "WTC" maps. A lot of times you can find maps setup specifically for each deployment card. Usually just searching "WTC Tournament" or "WTC Search & Destroy" etc will show ya good maps. The best ones are from tournament series tho, that way you get multiple options for each deployment type
Hope that helps!!
@@fatarchon Thanks! I hadn't even finished watching the video and you got back to me, super surprised and very grateful. Maybe I can do a bit better on non-basic terrain...
Can you provide the name of the map you used? Been using the wtc maps off the workshop but they're getting a little stale for right now
There should be a download link for the maps I use in my TTS tutorial, check it out: ruclips.net/video/I6zkJ91WEiw/видео.htmlsi=ZJSC5j8prRFaMmhi
How would you score / deploy with Custodes?
Custodes are hyper elite so it's absolutely vital you deploy everything out of LOS, so personally even if it was costing me a couple inches I'd be sure to hide behind as much Obscuring as possible
For scoring I think they can really benefit from chaff, so I'd probably have a Rhino with SoS to take over objective while the rest of the army either pushed forward or helped screen those same objectives
Even with the new Codex, Custodes are damn resilient so they're one of those armies that can just stand on an objective if they really need to. Especially if you have Calladius Grav Tanks to blast across the table / give distractions
@@fatarchon would you rather do prosecutors + rhino + witchseekers or 2 units of witchseekers and 1 prosecutors
Hmmm, that's a tough call. Quantity is great so the 2 Witchseekers + Prosecutors is great, but then the Rhino has a BS2 missile + 12" move so you're gaining great value there
I think I'd ever so slightly lean towards the x3 squads so you have a bit more redundancy. You could also run the min squads for 40pt if you wanted without wasting capacity on the Rhino / save points
I should warn you I'm not pro on Custodes but that's just my general thoughts from fighting them so many times :P If you're ever curious what the tournament lists are looking like you might checkout 40kstats.com & goto their faction page, that'd show you what the best players are using
Great, unfortunate timing
so in short : play nurglings, ok, i get it, it wasn't that hard
Is that really all you got from that? Lol
Nurglins can't shoot, so can do missions
I'm assuming you meant to say "can't" score 😜 GW put it in their Rules Commentary that units without ranged weapons CAN do actions; otw we'd barely see any melee units at all!
Alas for Nurglings at least they're OC 0 so they can't do actions now that Pariah Nexus is here
Nurglings on their own cannot score cleanse, as you need to control the objective.
heh yeah that's what I meant by using the Scouts or bringing up the Flamers but I didn't make it clear enough so touche! They're still perfect for it though. Means you use a 40pt unit to Cleanse while the good unit still gets to shoot or charge etc, I always try to use them for exactly that