FSD is not going to do squat, when talking about saving lives. Less than 1 percent of cars in America are Tesla. And only a small portion of them paid 12,000 for FSD. Remember: most people don't want self driving. They are not asking for self-driving.
If everyone knew the insurance implications, and realized what they’re actually paying to insurance companies over a lifetime, public opinion might change if systems like this can be set to a non-intrusive emergency mode and all major vehicle manufacturers adopt it.
@@jvlbme Locomotives are restricted to a steel track. No pedestrian vehicles on that track. No women or children are walking on the railroad track. The simple minded FSD can drive on any road in America, large or small. Human injury is a possibility. Very unsafe.
Looking forward to every update, regardless of how incrementally small they may be. My current 12.3.3 is amazing. We are making history. We will look back on this as BEV pioneers.
@@Mrbfgray Close to what? You mean Level 5 Full Autonomy? That would mean you could sleep in the backseat for hours, while the car drives on busy freeways, big cities, at night. All alone, without any human assistance. FSD is *nowhere* *even* *close* to that, in April of 2024!
@@DerekDavis213 Very close to that indeed. Ever since they dropped heuristics for neural nets and ramped compute it's not only suddenly become excellent it's getting better *way faster* then before. Certainly far better than Wamo or anything else out there pretending to be L5.
Looks the same to me. I wish they’d share notes what they changed. I’d be very curious if specific types of new training data have been added or if they’re changing other things
They may have zero idea what's getting fixed, until drivers tell them. They're training a neural net, not coding software. Perhaps the disengagements, but I suspect that they're not manually listening to and watching those.
@@bearcubdaycare that's actually an interesting point.. with this new way of training a neural net, how do they target fixes... my guess is they need to target the training videos for a specific scenario but as you pointed out, they can't just run a simple test to verify it's fixed because in the real world there are a million things that might make the situation different than their test env. really makes me wonder how they measure progress other than putting out releases and measuring data after the fact!
@@roccchow actually, I think it ends the recording there’s a previous period of time that’s constantly recording and when you press the button that ends the recording and saves it. Don’t click too soon or you cut off the last bit of the recording.
@@rschulzejr You click it to start the recording; and either click it again to stop the recording and send it, or it'll stop the recording and send it in about 10 seconds if you don't.
@@BigBen621 You are correct, That’s if there’s a disengagement. With proper settings it’s always recording video, and if something happens that you want to save, you press the dashcam icon and the previous several minutes are saved.
That speed bumps kind of exposed the issues with this model. They definitely need to work extra hard if it couldn’t understand the black speed bumps which are very clear from a human perspective.
@@DerekDavis213 AI can't be self learning but they're better than humans if you found a way to teach the machine Tesla found the way or you won't see the car driving exactly like humans
@@tv-ld3wv Tesla calls FSD 12.3.4 a Level 2 driving assistant, with 100 percent human supervision *required* . If FSD really could drive exactly like humans, FSD would be Level 5 with full autonomy. And Tesla stock would be worth $1000 per share!
A summer day, driving in the suburbs with few other cars around. Super easy for a human, but FSD has trouble: 2:28 FSD *still* has problems with speed bumps? 8 cameras, and it fails. 3:04 another intervention: human taps gas pedal. FSD cannot do it independently 3:36 speed bump problem, again 4:00 omg horrible. 11:40 very slow taking the turn
@@DerekDavis213your repetitive comments are not helpful. Why are you watching these videos only to criticize them. Do you not have anything better to do?
@@stevecha3612 I am very enthusiastic about Full Self Driving. I would love to lie back and take a nap, while FSD drives my car 5 hours to my inlaws house. But of course the current FSD is a simple minded Level 2 assistant, with lots of issues. Nowhere even close to full autonomy. That is why I watch lots of FSD videos. The technology and the future are very exciting!
i bet you have run into many speed bumps, human. clearly you are a simple minded mammal. no human ever slowed down inappropriately, i'm sure. nothing wrong with that turn, human. your simple mind is unable to calculate the safety of such turns. suicide lane? maybe for a human. what part of this drive is less than level 5? nothing that i could see.
Not anytime soon. trillions more data are needed to confirm FSD. Also, there will be humans driving gasoline cars for many more years and they could cause accidents unless the government mandates EVs with the same technology for all cars.
Trillions of what? Gasoline cars with automatic transmissions can be autonomous as well as EVs-there's no reason why an ADS can't be installed in an ICE vehicle as well as an EV. Yes, cars under manual control will continue to cause accidents, but there will be less and less of them over time, and fewer and fewer accidents as a result.
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A human driving a car will be a thing for the history books soon. The lives this technology will save is enormous.
FSD is not going to do squat, when talking about saving lives.
Less than 1 percent of cars in America are Tesla. And only a small portion of them paid 12,000 for FSD.
Remember: most people don't want self driving. They are not asking for self-driving.
You didn't like it when the locomotives came either, did you? @@DerekDavis213
If everyone knew the insurance implications, and realized what they’re actually paying to insurance companies over a lifetime, public opinion might change if systems like this can be set to a non-intrusive emergency mode and all major vehicle manufacturers adopt it.
@@jvlbme Locomotives are restricted to a steel track. No pedestrian vehicles on that track. No women or children are walking on the railroad track.
The simple minded FSD can drive on any road in America, large or small. Human injury is a possibility. Very unsafe.
@@splashmaker2 The cost savings in the future will be to hard to pass on.
Looking forward to every update, regardless of how incrementally small they may be. My current 12.3.3 is amazing. We are making history. We will look back on this as BEV pioneers.
I guess 6B miles FSD driven will end the discussion and FSD will become the standard
Great video James!
Its cool tu see you understand you FSD and easy Predict what it will do or how it will drive or react.
If you switch the camera to a wide angle and then crop the video to desired area - then both the screen and the road would be in focus ;)
Thanks for your latest version drive show. Yet to go some.
Out of all the people that cover FSD, this is the one I have been waiting for. Welcome back!!
Last yr for these vids I'm thinking, won't be much to see after that, just like a human running errands.
People said that same thing, *three* *years* *ago* .
@@DerekDavis213 No they didn't. Never looked close before.
@@Mrbfgray Close to what? You mean Level 5 Full Autonomy?
That would mean you could sleep in the backseat for hours, while the car drives on busy freeways, big cities, at night. All alone, without any human assistance.
FSD is *nowhere* *even* *close* to that, in April of 2024!
@@DerekDavis213 Very close to that indeed. Ever since they dropped heuristics for neural nets and ramped compute it's not only suddenly become excellent it's getting better *way faster* then before.
Certainly far better than Wamo or anything else out there pretending to be L5.
Dude @4:05 was that as close as it looked on camera 😮
Good stuff. You should position your camera to shoot the entire steering wheel though.
Amazing
Hot in LA again? :) is your AC adequate? I feel mine is struggling in very modest danish temperatures.
Good test.
Looks the same to me. I wish they’d share notes what they changed. I’d be very curious if specific types of new training data have been added or if they’re changing other things
yeah I'm actually curious why they don't do typical software release notes...
My guess is they are going through so many training iterations they don't bother. Would be nice to know though.
They may have zero idea what's getting fixed, until drivers tell them. They're training a neural net, not coding software. Perhaps the disengagements, but I suspect that they're not manually listening to and watching those.
@@bearcubdaycare that's actually an interesting point.. with this new way of training a neural net, how do they target fixes... my guess is they need to target the training videos for a specific scenario but as you pointed out, they can't just run a simple test to verify it's fixed because in the real world there are a million things that might make the situation different than their test env. really makes me wonder how they measure progress other than putting out releases and measuring data after the fact!
Thanks for sharing. I don't live in the US. What's wrong with driving in the suicide lane?
You‘re only supposed to use it temporarily while waiting to turn or entering the actual lane.
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Has there been any improvements within the 12. releases? Doesn't seem like it.
James, in your opinion, better or worse?
Why didn't u tag that speed bump?
I LOVE how boring these FSD videos are getting. Also, how frequent the updates are coming out! ❤
If speed bumps where better painted the problem my not exist. May be looking for painted symbols not different color of tar seal.
Since one can't expect all hazards in the road, like potholes, to be painted, the car needs to learn how to detect them without paint.
At 7:52 that street light has you wait about a full 1.5 minutes. the latter minute having little traffic. wtf.
Does it record your voice after you disengage FSD?
There is an option after you disengage, press the right thumb wheel will start a min long recording.
@@roccchow actually, I think it ends the recording there’s a previous period of time that’s constantly recording and when you press the button that ends the recording and saves it. Don’t click too soon or you cut off the last bit of the recording.
@@rschulzejr You click it to start the recording; and either click it again to stop the recording and send it, or it'll stop the recording and send it in about 10 seconds if you don't.
@@BigBen621 You are correct, That’s if there’s a disengagement. With proper settings it’s always recording video, and if something happens that you want to save, you press the dashcam icon and the previous several minutes are saved.
Great content as always but your camera focus is a bit poor for seeing the road and the cars I guess it focuses for the dashboard not the road.
Why is the audio so bad?
That is smooth
Good video but how come it’s noisy? Thank
I guess because older models don't have double glazed windows? And the camera too close to the roof, connected without dampening the vibs?
Thank 👍
Whats a suicide lane?
The center lane nobody uses until they need to turn left. The oncoming traffic can use it too.
I've never heard or used that term myself, until now.
2:36 those speed bumps should be illegal. The lack of color lacks visual depth
turned off the sound. The Atmospheric noise was painful using headphones, and it masked the voice of the driver and the passenger.
Seems like auto speed is another thing they'll need to fix.
Not ready for robotaxis yet! I got nervous watching it drive.
Supervised robo taxi at first perhaps? I wouldn't trust it for level 5 yet...
lol two new accounts pushing a narrative. Nothing suspicious at all😂
@@ryansmithc Are they Pro or Con re: Tesla?
@@ryansmithc my accounts been around longer than you've been alive
@@Sal3600 no prior channel interactions and quick to smear FSD. Typical and coordinated.
If you renamed your channel Plum Valley Tesla, we’d all still know who you are lol
Stop signs are still infuriating. It's a 4 way stop. When it's it's turn to go it needs to fricking GO, not crawl into the intersection at 1mph!
Having the same issue and also HW4 hesitates on lane changes.
the sound very jerk in the middle of video
4:05 Jesus....
12.3.4 still *cannot* handle Left turns, too often. And it drives in the 'suicide lane'? OMG
That's what humans do in heavy traffic, notice zero drama from oncoming vehicles, they weren't flustered.
@@Mrbfgray Oncoming vehicles assumed a human was in control, not a simple minded driving assistant.
@@DerekDavis213 That proves the point, it was normal driving. Do you even drive or own a car?
@@Mrbfgray I have driven cars for decades, every day. Perfect driving record, therefore cheap auto insurance. I am a low risk driver, young man.
lowering your camera a bit would make it easier to watch
There is no such thing as Beta 12.3.4 Beta is long gone. There is only FSD (supervised )
camera is too high and forward.
Please stop inputting YOUR preferences. Don't touch anything unless you need to actually avoid a collision.
Agreed! Let FSD do all the driving. Let's see how smart it is (or isn't).
I tried this mode last year for a $200 fee. Now its free for a month. I am not tempted to try it again. That should say it all.
What, exactly, does it say?
They didn't even have this version a year ago.
That speed bumps kind of exposed the issues with this model. They definitely need to work extra hard if it couldn’t understand the black speed bumps which are very clear from a human perspective.
Humans can think, reason, analyze.
FSD collects tons of data and looks for patterns. FSD will never be able to perform like a human.
@@DerekDavis213
AI can't be self learning but they're better than humans if you found a way to teach the machine
Tesla found the way or you won't see the car driving exactly like humans
@@tv-ld3wv Tesla calls FSD 12.3.4 a Level 2 driving assistant, with 100 percent human supervision *required* .
If FSD really could drive exactly like humans, FSD would be Level 5 with full autonomy. And Tesla stock would be worth $1000 per share!
@@DerekDavis213 yeah it won't get drunk and drive. fall asleep and crash into people.
@@DerekDavis213
Watch the video and you would know
The best will be better with OTA 😉
btw, waymo can drive but also has 100% supervision "remotely"
Looks like not a lot of change between 12.3.3 and 12.3.4. which is a shame.
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You're annoying, let the dam car do It's thing!
Sound quality is awful!!!!
Nothing new
A summer day, driving in the suburbs with few other cars around.
Super easy for a human, but FSD has trouble:
2:28 FSD *still* has problems with speed bumps? 8 cameras, and it fails.
3:04 another intervention: human taps gas pedal. FSD cannot do it independently
3:36 speed bump problem, again
4:00 omg horrible.
11:40 very slow taking the turn
Let’s upload your software and I’ll test it.
@@stevecha3612 You criticized the Lakers?
Ok, let's see *you* go out on the court and play professional basketball. Can't do it?
WHY NOT?
@@DerekDavis213your repetitive comments are not helpful. Why are you watching these videos only to criticize them. Do you not have anything better to do?
@@stevecha3612 I am very enthusiastic about Full Self Driving. I would love to lie back and take a nap, while FSD drives my car 5 hours to my inlaws house.
But of course the current FSD is a simple minded Level 2 assistant, with lots of issues. Nowhere even close to full autonomy.
That is why I watch lots of FSD videos. The technology and the future are very exciting!
i bet you have run into many speed bumps, human. clearly you are a simple minded mammal.
no human ever slowed down inappropriately, i'm sure.
nothing wrong with that turn, human. your simple mind is unable to calculate the safety of such turns. suicide lane? maybe for a human.
what part of this drive is less than level 5? nothing that i could see.
Not anytime soon. trillions more data are needed to confirm FSD. Also, there will be humans driving gasoline cars for many more years and they could cause accidents unless the government mandates EVs with the same technology for all cars.
Trillions of what?
Gasoline cars with automatic transmissions can be autonomous as well as EVs-there's no reason why an ADS can't be installed in an ICE vehicle as well as an EV. Yes, cars under manual control will continue to cause accidents, but there will be less and less of them over time, and fewer and fewer accidents as a result.
It still does not have even the faintest glimmer of common sense.
Must be the most BOOOOOORING car ever made. Just look at that driver position. What do you get? Nothing