Who Does it Best? Ford BlueCruise vs Tesla Autopilot
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- Опубликовано: 8 июл 2023
- Ford fans swear by blue cruise saying it is better than autopilot so I tested both of them back to back on the same route to see which was better.
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Latest firmware has like 1/10th of the phantom braking. At least I’ve noticed.
Fixed several but one regression.
Next version will be back up , nature of probability based AI systems . You never really know what you are getting, future versions not necessarily better in on feature and could regress.
@@doublesman0 ya in the early stages. Eventually it will be perfect. It won’t go back and forth for ever. More vehicles, more data. It’s been significantly uphill. Yes a year ago plus it was back and forth. Now we are seeing significant improvements
Unfortunately it capped mph to 5mph over on most roads with Autopilot
@@chase_vaseleou def an issue still.
Tip on the Mach-E - you only need to tap the turn signal, not do a full depress. The car will merge and no need to deactivate the turn signal.
I own the Mach-E, 2021, have 43,000 something miles on the clock so far. You are testing a new version of Blue Cruise that a large majority of people don't have in their car, myself included. So I can't speak on the version you are running, but I do find the current version tends to hug the right side of the lane, and I hate it... Having 100% hands free driving is pretty cool though, no "put pressure" garbage like the other makers do.
I still believe Tesla's overall software package is far superior to Blue Cruise. I've actually been thinking super hard about trading in my MachE for the Model Y.
I haven't laughed so hard as when I saw you sitting in the gaming chair at the side of the road! You made my day. Also, I've had my Tesla Y/LR for 3 months, and only today noticed that it edged slightly to the left side of the lane while passing a truck. I wasn't sure if I was just imagining it! Thanks for the confirmation it actually does that.
I may have missed it, how was interior noise levels between the two? Was there a clear winner? For passing a large truck, there is a menu option in the MME where it will move slightly off center to give you more room. You do have to toggle it though.
Like to get the Vion sunshades for my 2022 Y. Any concern about the reflected heat causing the glass to get too hot and possibly crack. Factory Y shades have no reflective material.
The difference in price is due to the Mustang being much better constructed and doesn't rely on the new owner to take on the function of QC. I just rented both a 3 and Y and came back to my Mach-E GT Performance with a whole new appreciation for it's quality. I also have a Jaguar I-Pace and it's incredibly nice.
I respect your scientific method. Like you said I gone from regular AP to enhanced AP to fsd 11.4.4. Fsd is a huge improvement over the basic in phantom braking etc. 15k is a lot for fsd but I would buy a used Tesla for cheap and add fsd to it. Life without fsd sucks imo.
I was once going to Tucson at about 8PM heading east on I-8 near I-10. The moon was rising from behind the jagged mountains. Fantastic moonrise. I could watch it unlike a bright sunrise.
Great comparison!
Since you do some reviews for aftermarket Tesla products, checking to see if you could do some aftermarket cooled/ventilated seats for the MY?
Does it still phantom brake with the emergency breaking turned off?
I rented a 2022 Model 3 Performance off Turo last year that still had USS. I took it on a 200 mile + trip, my first time using AP and I experienced a lot of phantom braking. It was my first time ever using it, it certainly scared the heck out of me.
Great test! I'd recommend you test these systems (also Cadillac's SuperCruise and others that seems decent) in more conditions. Can we get tests during the day and night, dry and in the rain, with light and heavy traffic, in areas with roadwork, curvy roads (where BlueCruise used to fail), and so on? I think people would be interested to see how capable these systems are in all kinds of conditions in total, not just on a sunny day on a road with little traffic. I haven't see any RUclips creators testing self-driving systems in a systematic way like this yet! keep up the great content!
I agree. To add to that, can you drive in busy places like Chicago. Lots of construction in that state with drivers that are truly unpredictable. Would be helpful.
Like your videos, very informative not biased!😊
I have found over the last year that phantom braking occurs far less frequently for me than in the past. Even if it does happen, it is more of a brief hesitation and is not affecting surrounding vehicles anymore. I guess it can be an advantage and a curse with Tesla trying to be good everywhere and I sure appreciate that you can use it anywhere with lane lines. Blue Cruise and Super Cruise do a good job in their approved areas but think it is a huge challenge to expand those areas for them.
I purchased a 2020 used model 3 and the previous owner had paid for FSD. To my surprise, the price of the vehicle was around the same price as vehicles without it. When I checked the trade-in value, you are correct when you say you don't really get much more for trade with FSD. So you are also right when you say if Tesla doesn't really value their own software, why should we purchase it for so many thousands of dollars? Mine already had it but if it didn't I never would have purchased it either. FSD still needs a lot of work and makes many mistakes but I do enjoy autopilot much more. Nice video this was. Many good points.
Tesla gives a value of 0 for FSD on trade ins because it's software, it's not physical. It's like trying to sell a Windows license back to Microsoft when you replace your computer. Why would Microsoft, Tesla, or any other software provider buy back a license? You are free to sell the vehicle with FSD to somebody other than Tesla that may value FSD for an amount greater than zero.
The price for FSD is openly displayed. You are free to buy it if you wish, no one is forcing you to buy it.
@@cyclopsvision6370 calm down, nobody said anyone was being forced for anything.. The point is if Tesla sells a used vehicle with fsd they sell it for more due to the fact it has FSD but they are not willing to give you anything extra for it when traded in. The FSD was already paid for but they are still willing to use it as a reason for hiring the price. Also it may give customers a reason to think about purchasing it if they would get a little something in return when traded.
That's because Tesla turns FSD off the car and resells it to the next customer as an upsell. Now you selling private, well that's a matter you and your vic will have to negotiate.
Nice review. I am on my second Tesla now and phantom braking is much reduced compared to several years ago, even though my newest car does not have radar. I do have a question for you. My first car had "full self driving" and my newest car has basic "autopilot", which like you I think is good enough. That said, one thing that neither vehicle seems to do is "avoid road hazards". Examples include potholes, small animals (squirrels, birds, etc), rocks, broken off mufflers, etc). The other thing that neither car does is give way to obstacles on the side of the road. Examples include cars that are parked right up to the righthand white stripe, pedestrians or bicycles riding on the side of the road, or the occasional building or tree that comes right up to the side of the road. As a result, I have to take over control to avoid these hazards, which then often results in admonishment by the Tesla autopilot complaining I have crossed the median at which time it punishes me by turning off lane-keep assist for the rest of that driving session. These issues are huge as far as I am concerned, as I live in an area with lots of parked cars and people/bicycles strolling along the side of the road, which along with lots of wildlife means autopilot is a non-starter. The lack of in-lane hazard avoidance is still a problem, even on major highways. Do you know how the most up to date "full self driving" and Blue Cruise handles these problems? Thank you in advance for the information.
I test FSD 11.4.4 (the latest public FSD). In short, several of the issues you point out are still issue, for example FSD doesn't avoid potholes or random objects (rocks, mufflers, etc.) on the road. But FSD has gotten extremely good at handling other people (pedestrians, bicycles, motorcycles), both on the roadway and on the sidewalks, etc, and both during the day and at night. Probably safer towards those than most human drivers already. In short, I think Tesla has prioritized the most important of the edge cases to avoid injuring others and solved those, and is solving additional ones one-by-one, but still hasn't solved other less common or less dangerous edge cases.
Sounds like your not doing AP correct. Interstate and Major Divided highways don’t typically have parked cars. Pretty sure Ford Blue Cruise that is Geo Fenced locked wouldn’t let you enable it. Hopefully Tesla eventually Geo Fence locks AP to where it’s designed to be used.
@@techyjames1945 We've really been misusing that term. "Geofencing is a location-based service that uses GPS, RFID, Wi-Fi, or cellular data to trigger a pre-programmed action when a mobile device or RFID tag enters or exits a virtual boundary set up around a geographical location. This virtual boundary is called a geofence.
Geofencing is commonly used as a marketing and advertising tactic to pull in more customers to a brick-and-mortar business, such as a store. For example, a business can send in-app notifications on its own app when a user who has that app on their device enters a geofenced area."
I’ve driven a total of 45k miles in 2 Teslas since 2019 and prob around 4-5k autopilot miles. I have only experienced phantom braking on the NJ GSP North at I believe exit 54 when approaching an overpass. The braking now is a lot less strong than it was in 2019 for sure but was still happening .. at least it was 6 months ago when I last drove thru there.
Full self driving is worth it in my use cases, all comes down to your personal usage
My Model Y stays dead center of the lane even passing by 18 wheelers. Scary AF. It only seems to move away if the truck makes a sudden move toward it. That come in handy a lot since I live in the south and diesel pickups often deliberately swerve toward EVs before “rolling coal”. I don’t understand it but I’m glad the Tesla side camera can see it and respond quickly so they don’t make contact.
Latest FSD branch on highway does move away from the truck. In fact, may be a bit too much for some people. If you don't see it now yet, I'm sure you will soon see it since FSD code has been merged into the main branch.
@@John101B I stand corrected! I noticed last night that it does move away from 18 wheeler!
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Fun review as always! My MYLR almost never has PB at night or on overcast days. Sunny days are the worst for PB for me. Any word on whether HW 4 (and new cameras) is showing any improvement in PB over HW 3?
I have a hw 4 I’ll test autopilot this weekend
@@evanbattaglia6980 Hi Evan, any results on your phantom braking test with HW 4?
Great video! If you do a half click with the turn signal (by pressing down on the turn, signal without fully clicking it in). It will change lanes for you then turn off the turn signal after it’s changed lanes when you’re using blue cruise.
My new Tesla MYP 2023 does not exit standard Autopilot mode when I change lanes, it stays activated and adjusts for traffic at any speed, and smart cancels the turn indicators which I like a lot. It works really well so far. Tried in longer trips in the Coachella Valley and LA areas. No phantom braking so far. Latest software updates.
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had my tesla for about a week and havnt phantom braked once so thats good. anyone have info on the radar stuff? i have a 2020 M3 before the refresh. so i should have radar yes? ive heard people say that tesla diabled radar even if you have it physically? what is up?
For the turn signal issue- you can tap the turn signal switch and it will automatically complete the lane change. You don’t have to fully depress it.
Since you showed a glimpse of it on the Mach E, how’s Apple Car Play on the Tesla?
I own a 2021 Mach E GT Performance and the Blue Cruise I have is ver. 1.0 without lane change . It often slows down on turns when one pedal braking is on. It sometimes slows me down on turns I know my former Fusion Hybrid could take at speed (35-45 MPH). The new version has been shown in other videos to slow the car down on highway level turns and move away from trucks. All of these can be overpowered by the driver without leaving any version of Blue Cruise.
I do not know what is going on with your 2023 but I can use lane keep assist and adaptive cruise control on almost all roads and speeds, even local streets, down to 15 MPH. The "almost" being it often fails on one lane roads. I just have to nudge the wheel every 20 seconds or so (it will warn you). You may have not have some of the settings correct for this mode.
It is very good to know that your model Y and my Jan 2022 build MYLR phantom brake in the same manner in similar circumstances. It really is the one that that keeps the car from being great. I continue to wish that dumb cruise control was available for circumstances in which AP/TACC performs poorly. I only have std AP and I don't see any real value in paying for FSD or even EAP.
Hey Ben where’d u get those custom wheels! BTW since u only got ONE phantom during this test, can u just say in your personal experience how often you see it in life on average? Rockin’ bro Thx!
Great video! I’d be interested to see you take that off ramp again in the Tesla (maybe at much slower speed) to see if it slows down. Mine consistently slows down on at all exit ramps on standard AP.
Same with mine it slows down nicely.
Does anyone know what would happen if someone purchased the FSD in its entirety and then the car was totaled?
Openpilot is better than bluecruise, cheaper, more comfortable, and more features. However no youtubers talk about them even though they were regraded as the best ADAS system ( at least in 2020 )
That’s what greatness takes! Lol Spot on with the Blue Cruse cost. There is an update, Blue Cruse 1.2 that does a lot better with the ping ponging and does bias to one side of the lane when passing a truck etc. It’s not integrated with your GPS and it won’t know you’re on an off ramp it’s still “dumb” that way. It also will not stop at lights or stop signs. It can only slow for a car in front on you. It’s great for highway / freeway driving but not in town or point to point navigation. I have a Lightning and never has that problem with the Adaptive Cruise Control even on major streets around town. It does work anywhere for me. I am not sure if the Mach E is different or something wacky was going on that time.
12:53 that cloud behind him looks very well endowed
At 11:39 you get an “Adaptive Cruise not Available” warning. If you look on the instrument cluster, you’ll see an amber warning light. This indicates that the forward vision camera cannot make out objects well so ACC and Collision Avoidance are turned off. I find this happens sometimes when the sun is shining directly into the camera: bright and lower to the horizon. As I understand it, Tesla has the same issue with glare, but I cant know for sure.
I thought you sounded familiar, I used to watch your old Focus ST videos back in the day when I wanted one. Ended up getting a 2014 Civic Si though. Nice to see you are still at it.
oh nice! thanks for coming back!
I have issues with ap at dawn and dusk in flat areas. Middle of day not as much
something else is going on with your Mach E cause I can use BC hands on on ANY road. The pop up is an error.
FSD is expensive but Awesome. 11.4.4 generally drives A toB without disengagement but occasional intervention(slowing, lane choice). I like Driving but only for a while and in perfect roads/conditions. FSD does most my driving in SoCal. Freeways/traffic is not enjoyable driving. Going fast will get you a ticket and not safe. FSD is relaxing.
The latest updated tweaked and updated the system now in Autopilot. Some people don't get the notifications, and some do. I did, with it letting me know it was now more common to FSD drive assist.
It looks like the Tesla was starting to slow down at 17:19 for the exit just before you took over. You can see the green regen braking bar and the max speed dropped to 55 MPH before the take over.
What happens if you indicate a left lane change and you are in the left-most lane already in the Ford?
When I switched to the model Y from an olde model S I really missed the lane changing and the self park and the summon feature. You used to have to disengage AP to switch lanes. Now bugs pretty easy and the auto turn signal off is nice. The thing about Tesla is that they constantly improve. This week I saw a car coming up on my left. On the screen it turned red. It was speeding and in my blind spot. I have never seen that.
If you sign up for enhanced auto pilot on the Y, you get all the the features you miss...right?
I've noticed phantom braking seems to occur more often during sunny days when the sun is high in the sky. And regarding FSD/Enhanced Autopilot, it is lame that Tesla doesn't give you anything if you trade it in, but also makes you buy it again.
If they tied it to your account, I'd imagine that they'd get a lot more sales from current owners who don't want to lose their FSD or buy it again, especially at a higher price if they bought it years ago.
Phantom braking is present in most highway assistance systems, but it seems to affect Tesla's way more. Phantom braking is most common around sharp turns, when cresting hills and going under bridges (Basically cases where it has trouble detecting the lane lines). However, it also occurs at random for no apparent reason. I've even had it happen right after I passed a semi truck; Basically brake checking it! Fortunately I keep my foot near the accelerator pedal so I was able to quickly accelerate back up to my cruising speed (IIRC, it dropped me from 75 to 60, but it could have gone further if I didn't intervene!).
AP will always slow down when it detects bicyclists and pedestrians nearby. It can also slow down if detecting merging traffic and you're in the right lane. I don't classify those cases as phantom braking, but it can be annoying because in nearly all cases it's unnecessary. But... That's the reason you need to pay attention while on AP (And any other highway assistance system).
Blue Cruise has gotten a lot better. It used to ping-pong a lot, but that seems to have been fixed. But I still can't get over how much the name sounds like the children's TV show "Blues Clues"!
You’re right that phantom braking affects Tesla’s way more most other highway assistance systems. It also varies significantly between one Tesla and another, even same year models. It would be really great if Tesla spent more effort on preventing it, but I believe that their removal of radar and counting on vision only, was done too soon. My current car has cameras, radar, and lidar, and it almost never phantom brakes. Eventually maybe with enough data that Tesla is collecting from its beta testers aka Tesla owners, perhaps their phantom braking will be lower than everyone else’s. But for now, its logical that the fewer sensors you use, and the more you rely on cameras only, the higher the likelihood of false alarms. Btw, in my case driving during sunrise or sunset also left to far more phantom braking. I believe this is because Tesla’s cameras, like our eyes, were somewhat blinded by the sun.
@@t1328 Interesting I never get phantom breaking on highways anymore. 2022 Model 3LR on FSD. I drive 136 miles to work on FSD without any interventions or Phantom breaking. With one exception. it's always at the same location. Then one day I found the reason. Off to the left side is a one-of-a-kind U turn traffic symbol light for the far right lane. When its red it thinks it's a stop sign for the lane I'm traveling. it's a peculiar looking light.
As another model Y driver I think your thoughts are spot on!
One other note: the automatic speed change is a feature that Tesla doesn’t offer, but it can be turned off. It works both directions - so if the speed limit goes up it accelerates. You can program how far above or below the posted speed limit the cruise control will set itself to.
NO COMPARISON to TESLA FSD WORKS IN HEAVY TRAFFIC and without traffic on roads for example riding through Rockies mountains right into Boulder Colorado!
On your way back with mache noticed that your traction control is switched off 11:02 while you trying to activate it, don’t think anything auto including bluecruise, lane keep would run
In the Mach-E if you "TAP" the turn signal in the direction instead of full clicking it it will stay on until it changes lanes and then turn off automatically.
Just got back from a long roadtrip California to Canada and back. Lot’s of phantom braking especially in Nevada but after one instance where i went to accelerate though the phantom braking the warning chime came on and it slammed on the brakes in the middle of the highway. I will never use Autopilot or FSD again till that gets fixed.
are you on the latest Tesla software?
It should be noted, BlueCruise is ONLY the Hands Free portion of the system. The Hands ON version is free, which is the same as AutoPilot. Since if you actually read the manual for AutoPilot. It says you need to keep hands on the wheel when it's active. Make sure to give accurate information, and ALL the information.
Does Blue Cruise have OTA updates? I've seen where the Tesla NOAP phantom braking is fixed if you have FSD beta, so possibly a code issue? If so, it'll eventually be an OTA update. Not sure if Ford would benefit from that.
Also, I just drove to San Diego from Phoenix on FSD Beta 11.4.4 last weekend and had 0 phantom braking. I have had it previously on older/non FSD NOAP aligned code versions.
@@mcculleys3780 Just saw there is a new Blue Cruise OTA update (ver.1.3) coming later this summer.
Adaptive cruise works at any time regardless of being on a BC mapped highway so I'm not sure why it was giving you trouble. It reverts to simple lane centering without BC.
Couple of things I noticed you missed. Bluecruise does lane changes just holding the signal for a couple of seconds, no need to go the full commit that needs to be cancelled. Also, Bluecruise is also just the hands free part, you still get Tesla -like hands on steering and adaptive cruise that works everywhere as standard on the Mach E, so it really isn’t a great comparison. I haven’t seen the message that it is not available that you were getting.
This guy is a shill. All of his reviews have a pro-Tesla bias. Ford’s driver assist features do everything autopilot does without the need to pay. Bluecruise just adds the “handsfree” stuff.
@@astrobot3038 Ford's Bluecruise is only free for 90 day trial for new cars purchases. Bluecruise costs $2100 for 3 years or $800/year. Basically Tesla EAP does the same stuff as Bluecruise in terms of auto lane change but of course that costs $6K for Tesla. I mean I would love if that was free for Tesla but maybe someday Tesla will reduce the EAP price so its worth it.
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No warning for disengaging may be a soft issue if you notice it and don't go out of the road or crash to a wall.
Its so frustrating the nicer sunshades are all post refresh for the model 3. I have a 2020 😞
I'd love to see added comparisons with GM's super cruise and VW's IQ Drive. I don't think either of them is in the same league, but it would be nice to see what they do well and what they don't.
GM’s just as good.
VW’s (I have one) isn’t hands free. It’s very much an assistant system. But the adaptive cruise control in stop and go traffic is excellent. Super seamless & comfortable.
Lane assist in highways is soft, ie, it’s an assist. You still have kinda drive. It’s not meant to be hands free.
i recently took a cross country road trip in a model y and had enough phantom breaks i wanted to drive off the grand canyon. I noticed if you go to autopilot settings and disable automatic emergency braking i didnt get a single phantom brake the rest of the trip. not sure if it was the latest update that helped it considerably (i updated before i headed back) or the changed setting but one of the two definitely helped a ton.
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thanks for the videos comparing, gjeebs... great stuff as always. btw.. I haven't taken a software update since Look-at-Me-elon tried to turn off my purchased radar in favor of Tesla Vision which I did not buy and I've not regretted it. in the 2 years since I've owned my MYLR I think I've had one phantom breaking issue and none since I skipped any updates. Not sure how smart that is.. and I know I'm probably missing out on some cool software updates... but I'll trade zero "I'm returning this POS f'ing right now!!!" moments for Netflix not working any more.
Funny enough I did the same thing and then got in my wife's (fully updated) and hers performs significantly better than mine before I found a stable resting point. After updating to her level, night n day. Worth a look as the latest is phenomenal
12:10 Sadly seems to only work on pre-scanned areas whereas Teslas basically work everywhere
@@rickkay9548 stable resting point?
The irony is that Blue Cruise is just MobileEye, who did the AutoPilot v1.0 for Tesla. Haven't watched the full video yet but it's difficult to really compare autonomoose driving systems. They're still in their infancy and we are mostly just comparing the "decision making" end result and not looking under the hood at how they work. There are HUGE differences between the Tesla approach and other companies.
Most automakers are using a 'lane keeping' system that looks at lines on the road, and distance to the car in front of it. That's about it. So if you're only worrying about a couple of things the control logic doesn't need to have a very complex decision making tree, and it will tend to feel very reliable and predictable. There just aren't too many chances to screw up if the computers only mission is to 1) not run into a car in front of it and 2) don't leave the lane.
Tesla has put in huge amounts of effort to build a 3d map of the environment using AI vision recognition, including modeling the path of every car and pedestrian in 360 degree view of the car. It does this over multiple frames and builds a detailed version of the whole world that it exists in. It's a very complicated approach that will ultimately prove more flexible.
But in the short term, it has so many confusing factors that the computer has to deal with in the decision making logic. That complexity will cause the decision making process to make more mistakes until they really refine the '3D world engine' and the decision making tree to handle abnormalities. Once they sort out of the bugs, it will feel a lot more confident in many scenarios that other self driving systems will fail at, and not make all the silly mistakes like phantom braking, etc. It's just going to occasionally make dumb mistakes until it reaches maturity.
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A comparison cannot be made. Bluecruise may be remotely cobtrolled from the call center. Tesla is improving towards gradual , actual self driving.
There is big price differential between the two cars . How about a comparison of the Blue Cruise and the Enhanced Auto Pilot?
Gjeebs, at 22:45 where you said "phantom" braking, there is a road marker next to the road, and it must have seen that as a possible "intruder" into the road.... Seen it as a "pedestrian" that might enter the road or another obstacle that might enter the road, thus it slowed down????
Where Tesla shines is that the free auto Pilot is really good and if you’re going on a really long long road trip you can pick up the enhanced Autopilot or the full self driving autopilot for just 1 month. I wouldn’t recommend paying 6k or 15k up front cause it might not be something would use everyday.
Interesting, I have a F150 with BC enabled and use it all the time hands free. Although not perfect it's pretty good w/o touching the wheel for longer trips. It does not work on city streets, but Adaptive cruise will do the same function as the Tesla Autopilot. Also I test drove a Model Y last week and had Autopilot engaged, it seemed to wonder all over the place compared to BC, unsure why but it did it multiple times. Braking was late in many attempts compared to BC where you can set the gaps to leverge between cars. I'd guess BC has the upper hand due to use of Lidar here but unsure. We are on the verge of buying a Tesla soon so won't impact my decision, but the basic Autopilot was lacking compared to BC and from what I've seen/used with the GM Supercruise offering.
Is BlueCruise equivalent to Tesla Autopilot, Enhanced Autopilot, or FSD?
More like enhanced autopilot right now
I agree that FSD not following the driver when selling the car is a bummer. They called me to exchange my 2020 Tesla YP and gave me nothing for FSD. And why change now anyways when the real Y upgrade (late 2024?) will include all the following improvements in one package: the more rigid structure, with mega casting, better battery, more range per kilo and kilowatt (if needed) better paint, better fit and finish, better SUSPENSION, better noise reduction with double pane glass, better hardware (V4) with its improved cameras and sensors, biohazard protection for those increasing numbers of forest fires…
💯 still the best content on the RUclipss.
For sure Autopilot wins today but you should run this test again with the upcoming BlueCruise release that is going to be much closer to EAP today. You should also rent FSD and test Autopilot with that turned on. They recently merged the FSD driver into Autopilot on the highway and it's VERY different. With FSD being $2400/year and BlueCruise being $700/year it's going to be hard for Tesla to compete even with the FSD being a lot better. The big question is will Tesla make the FSD driver, with the same restrictions Autopilot has today, available to everyone? Still I think you would have to at least pay the $1200/year for EAP to compete with BlueCruise but at least that might be justified.
What I want from autonomous driving software - just get me safely from entry to exit ramp on the Interstate during road trips. I'll look after the rest.
why does it need a subscription, is it a live service
GREAT point of the cost of Tesla FSD, great review as well
I have EAP ($6K) and haven’t had the phantom braking issue, but (big but), the car does these weird speed adjusts (up and down) at times and just as you described will not accelerate during a lane change to pass another vehicle until the car actually completes the lane change (and only if the car you had been changing lanes from doesn’t drift at all towards the lane you’re changing to…). I’d rather do the lane change myself! I bet this one irritant alone causes some road rage that you may have seen in some ‘Wham Bam Tesla Cam’ videos (I know, plugging another channel, but was necessary.) I know this to be true because I have caused some to honk at or tailgate me after some awful EAP lane changes. I’m sure the same happens with basic AP. Just a point that needs stressing to Tesla from all owners.
I'd rather save the $6k and just do lane changes myself.
You didn't discuss the fact that the Ford system let's you manually assist the steering with BC on and Tesla just unceremoniously disconnects. BC also DOES adjust lane positioning with version 1.2 or 1.3 when driving past trucks.
Openpilot is another option that may better than either of these and works on 250 car models. The hardware piece is called a Comma 3x.
I wish you could have added to you test a ‘15, ‘16 early ‘17 Model S or X (no side cameras) because they used Mobileye. I have a ‘16 X with 256k miles on it and it has Mobileye. I drive it 90% of the time and it works great! I have a ‘19 Model S with FSD and I’m not real pleased with it. Yes street wise it does great but on the highway it’s not as good as Mobileye, my opinion! And maybe that’s what Elon should offer on the less expensive cars. It’s fantastic for highway. driving My opinion, again!
The 12 sensors around the car, one camera and one radar upfront.
Best deal is FSD subscription for 199 a month. Only use it when you’re going on extended trips.
Other than Ford screwing over early adopters with blue cruise pricing, they certainly lost me as a customer. Had a dealer who wanted to price gouge me after my deposit. I refused to budge and went with a Model 5 for what was advertised. And this is coming from someone who driven Fords for almost 25 years.
I assume there are arguments among Tesla owners about what software is included vs what is free.
On the interstate, Tesla is very stable. But switching roads including interstate interchanges, its up to the driver to maintain speed. For the car to do it, Tesla must think that's a FSD feature.
We went to La Jolla, there was an EVgo charger near by. What a fucking nightmare. 2 of the 4 chargers didn’t work, and the two that did were busy most of the time. I ended up driving 30 minutes out of my way to a supercharger
AP does not do exits. EAP will take you from entrance ramp to exit ramp.
Blue Cruise is a good system but it's hampered by the fact it is only approved for certain roads and relies heavily on mapped data. Autopilot does have an advantage for the things you pointed out. Enhanced Autopilot does Navigate on Autopilot so it would do all that standard Autopilot does and a little what FSD does and if you put in and address into the navigation it would have taken the exit and slowed down, exit off the exit and continued.
The problem with bit EA and FSD is what you pointed out. If Tesla can grant you the ability to use this paid feature then you should be able to transfer it to another vehicle. That is all something that can be done on the backend easily. But like you aid, if they don't value it during the trade in then we shouldn't value it and pay $6,000 for EA or $15,000 for FSD. It the bare minimal I would just rent the FSD feature for $200 a month with the option of canceling when I want or canceling before trade the car in. Either way Tesla makes a lot of money off you you in the short and long term by renting and definitely makes their money if they sold the option to you. And I'm still unclear how is it you can "buy" EA or FSD but can't keep something you paid for. How that is legal is a mystery.
Ford ADAS works on all roads, but it’s called Co-pilot 360 2.0. It’s free. BlueCruise is more like a limited version of Enhanced Autopilot. It has the lane change feature like Tesla, and adds true hands free on limited access highways. It does not have parking, summon, etc.
i believe you can get lane change feature on tesla with enhanced auto pilot? edit: i see you said that later on... but $6K!?
Subscribing finally since we live in the same oven 😂
Haven’t had any phantom braking in the past 6-7 months.
Blue Cruise should be compared with Tesla FSD. Autopilot doesn't have many feature that FSD has including auto merging, auto lane change and Navigation on Autopilot. .
One of my neighbours has a 2021 dual
Motor Mac E with Blue Cruise and I own a 2020 Tesla Y Performance HW 3 version 2023.7.20 with FSD version 11.4.4. We are in Canada. He mentioned that his Blue Cruise doesn’t work on all roads and is still limited to major highways and secondary roads. Is this the case in the USA? Phantom breaking is not an issue anymore for me. If I only compare autopilot (adaptive cruise, auto-stir), I have no restrictions and he does. I purchased autopilot enhanced back in September 2020 with summon, smart summon and auto park at a discount price and FSD in September 2021 also at a discount with a giant leap of features. Now with the stack integration of FSD and autopilot, I can leave home, City and highway drive, and bac home on same stack. Needless to say hardware 3 has its flaws. Don’t listen to Apple Music, take a call and have some FSD issues all at once! You may experience, like I did some hardware reboots. Rarely but surprising. I would say that my satisfaction level is about 90% on highways and 70% in city. Looking forward to FSD version 12 😊
does the new owner of a Tesla with FSD retain the FSD? Basically, can one buy a used Tesla with FSD?
EAP is $99 a month. FSD is $199. So you don't have to spend a bunch. You can turn it on and off when needed.
I had phantom braking that hit so hard that it sent my dog in from the back seat into the front seat.
Tesla didn’t slow down on the on ramp when you change from I10 to I8 because you didn’t have any speed limit sign for the ramp on the side of the road.
At least FSD doesn't need speed signs on curves. It properly slows down on curves regardless of speed signs. This wasn't the case a year ago, so it's still improving.