Caterpillar D2: Dismantling Rusty & Stuck Steering Clutches For Parts
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- Опубликовано: 7 фев 2021
- If your D2 doesn't steer, this is probably what your steering clutches look like...
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Thank you for going a bit deeper into steering clutches. I have a 5U that is exactly as you describe. Steering clutches are stuck and the handles move freely. Clutches just wont free up. Time to start dis-assembling. Thank you again for the insight. This video series is invaluable
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@@squatch253 Thank you. Good to know!
I got a chunk of rust in my eye from that close up
After watching you disassemble the steering clutches, I always wondered why I’ve seen some D2s where the levers had no tension on them. I thought if the clutches froze, you wouldn’t be able to pull the level. However, with your explanation now I know why! This is one part of a D2 I had never gotten into.
The not so glamorous side of restoration work... Your eye is getting better.
I'm always impressed by how clean you work.
Cool fox for the fuel sediment bowl with that paper filter
If the cavity these parts reside in have a single vent, it would be
possible to fit tubing and have it run through a desiccant canister .
Any air drawn in as the tractor goes through temperature changes will
have any moisture absorbed before it gets inside. You can use those chemical desiccant dehumidifiers that are intended to be hung in closets to keep clothing from growing mold.
It would be worth doing for the period the machine is mothballed and removed when it is back in use (if ever).
Alternatively ,you could remove an access plate and stuff a desiccant pack into the cavity.
I’ve never seen them before . I understand them now
I'm glad you didn't get a mouthful of that rusty dirt some of it looked pretty high flying.
It's basically caterpillar archeology
Some people would argue "It's just a flesh wound".
Keep up the good videos sir.
Reminds me of what the cylinders looked like on the M when I got it..... And the clutch on the F20! Always good to have extra parts [some].
Great video Squatch! Thanks for the tips
Yessir, that clutch pack is 'doubtful' now.
And to think I had a guy ask me why I had an old vacuum cleaner up in my shop!
@@squatch253 I can well imagine that.
Good video's, keep them coming.
0:35 Man, even the TAG for these old Caterpillars sounded heavy. Like not a ting sound but a clunk sound hitting that table.
Even though I guess it doesn’t matter... I still cringed when you knocked all that rust and debris onto the clutch pack. 😂
Thank you for the video.
Wonder if that bundle of decent frictions you put in that ammo can would benefit from dessicant in there with them? Guess it depends on how good the can seals. And anybody who wonders if there is asbestos in old friction lining (of any kind) ain't been around as long as I have. Contrary to modern belief, the stuff don't hurt you in small quantities, it was the people who worked with it long term who found out the hard way that the miracle mineral could hurt you bad.
Excellent video 👍👍👍👍
Hello and thanks for another great video. Have you ever considered the electronic rust removing procedure or would that remove too much? I haven't done it but it looks promising.
Waiting for the next one.
A stuck steering clutch is NO problem for natural born sales man and master mechanic Alexander C. Botts! Always enjoy your work, your birth name isn't Alexander by chance is it?
At least the steels are cleaning the groves out on the hub.👍😉 For all the good it will do. 😒
We passed on picking up a MF 300 track loader because of steering brake issues and parts availability.
I few questions for Squatch or who ever can answer: how often you have to oil the bearings in the steering clutch compartment? Would you use the modern clutch material on the friction discs instead of the old asbestos?(in case there is no bimetallic conversion) Personally I don't know what the clutch material is for the D2 steering clutches. But back in the old day's asbestos was cheap and available to use. Good idea on the exercises on the crawler, doing it myself once every month. I got that idea from a very old man who had run through 5 + crawlers in his life. So he knew what he was telling.
@@squatch253 Thank you for the answer. I think there is a company that dose make bimetallic friction discs for every crawler model CAT,Allison etc. I don't have CAT D2 literature to compare if the Soviet engineers did change the size of the discs or the number of teeth on the hub. Keep in mind they had to go from inch to metrics. Logic say's they might have done that but may have not been the case at all. To get verification I need to get the CAT D2 and Allison crawler friction discs and hub size and compare that to the Soviet crawler KD-35 and DT-54 ones. So far the load springs look at least exactly that of the CAT D2 and thous are known to fail also on the Soviet crawlers.
RUclips algorithm loves to see comments. Your channel benefits by comments. Here's a RUclips Algorithm comment. Oh, btw, interesting stuff as usual.
How about a update on the Moline experimental tractor thanks for the videos really get a lot of enjoyment out of them
I think he said he needed to get this back together before anymore work is done to the moline.
Like a Rusty & Stuck Steering Clutch Ninja !
Wow. Those clutches might be where Tetanus was invented.
Yeah is a good practice. 😊👍👍👍👍
looked like it sat outside for a couple of years in northern MN
In 10 years they may look better then. So true, when you manage to keep them.
Good video
I wonder if a product called Bilt Hamber Atom Mac would help slow the rusting. Sold in the UK as a rust inhibitor and can be used on brake rotors after washing to minimise flash rust.
Paint the inside of the clutch casing in anti-condensation paint. IMO, it's worth the effort, and it does work.
You would have to paint all the parts as well. Anti-condensation paint is just an insulator that prevents a surface reaching the dew point. It does not address the basic problem which is the humidity of the air.
Squatch - While on the topic of part's costs; do you have a typical percentage of what each major subsystem costs against total build? Such as; engine, transmission, rear end and running gear...or other? Keeping in mind that 5J is a little unique without the painting aspect (which you love to do so much - smile.)
Does pouring oil/ pénètrent into the clutch compartment, while awaiting overhaul, any aid to prevention/preperation of the clutch pack, great videos, love em cheers
I would have been very tempted to turn that inner hub over and give gravity an assist via a series of hammer blows
Probably, he thought of that..this guy is good. Remember, he does odd stuff, to film it better for us.
@@pootthatbak2578 yeah, I can see me hurting myself trying to brut-force stuff
How do you manage your spare parts in terms of preserving them? I'm a big fan of VCI stuff for corrosion prevention, it's like magic.
Thanks buddy that was rusty as heck wow
hi Squatch , i realy like what your showing us ,i have 1 question . you are reconditioning all the moving parts of the dozer but are you going to paint it CAT yellow too ?
Does that old friction material contain any asbestos? Its good to reclaim some of the bigger parts like the hubs and also parts that don't wear out but to be honest there is no way I would put anything second hand back in the clutch pack. Being that deep into the machine I would hate to get driving it and realise that the clutches are not working at their best. Doing a job like this one has to expect some expense and I thought that the cost of the clutch packs you bought were quite reasonable but then I do live in rip off Great Britain.
Good to have good used parts for trading if need be
Do you where to get the replacement locking clip (P/N 4B3555) for D2 steering clutch throw out bearing? Cat and General Gear doesn't carry it. Thanks.
Any machines that are sitting, waiting to be refurbished should have all cavities filled to over flowing with diesel, even the steering clutch compartments. You can always clean the diesel off the parts.
When they get that bad be tempting just to cut them off. Or stick it in a press and then itll clean the splines off at the same time lol
Any issues using the new clutch packs on worn center hubs? Seems like maybe the would get stuck in the worn spots.
What happened to the Minneapolis Moline project? I haven't seen anything on it for a long time.
Why does the center of the hub where the splines are look like it’s not symmetrical?
I think RUclips unsubscribed me sometime before or on Feb 8. I know I didn't unless by accident. I am subscribed again. This seems to happen to me occasionally. By the way, I like how you keep the D2 original, except for the worn out stuff that can't be repaired.
I think all steering clutchs have a moisture problem I have john deere 40 c and it is the same way as the d2. If there is room in the housing was thinking desiccant bags
So how long did it take for cat to get smart enough to make those wet clutches?
So no coating originally on those intermediate plates?
Didn't know the Titanic had steering clutches.
Dude, a drum vaporust, 4 pairs of crossed fingers, a soft prayer or two and they will be good as new ;)
I redid the steering clutches in an IH TD6 and it was almost $1200 a side for frictions and steels and a few other parts
Wow....that kind of cost keeps me from buying a small crawler.....
@@jamesanderton344 the other side of this is your gonna know what you have and as long as you use it once in a while to keep them from sticking, it’ll last a lifetime.
I hope that you and Sr are staying warm ? It looks like it is Superduper cold in your neck of the woods !
Thanks for sharing your world with Us ! It was 54 degrees today , 26 degrees this morning in Raleigh - Durham, North Carolina USA Today !
Can you turn the hub face if the teeth are still good
steering clutches..
ashes to ashes and don’t smoke the dust
I wonder if you could just dunk the whole thing in a bucket of some sort of rust remover (like evapo rust) and see if it would break stuff loose without having to more or less go destructive on getting the plates and whatnot apart
Definitely those things are gone...absolutely eaten up
What is the gear reduction for this dozer... transmission, ring and pinion, and final drives?
@@squatch253 Thanks. I can't seem to find information on what the ratios are. I have a 1962 bombardier J5 with the lowest transmission gear being 6.2:1. The steering is via a brake differential like a case 310c. There is no further reduction after the diff and it is 5.83:1. Curious about the overall reduction of the dozer vs J5.
This may be a stupid question but is it possible to seal the steering clutch compartment and fill it with oil like ATF or something
Wet clutch's are a totally different design. Dry clutch's will fluid lock if they get wet.
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Prying those discs apart got me to thinking, any reason to be concerned with Asbestos? I would think with the age of those machines that there may be asbestos in them.
I was wondering the same.
So was I just like new Chinese cars with there gaskets
Any ideas on how to unstick a main clutch collar on a 5u without dismantling the machine?
Lots of soaking with your favorite brand of loose juice, chased by mild heating cycles with a torch (just make sure you don’t light any fluid on fire lol) and repeat. If that doesn’t work, then disassembly will be necessary.
thank you@@squatch253
Have you ever bought a D2 hoping to rebuild it and found out things were just too far gone? I know this could have only happened many many years ago before you knew all that you know now.
Good education........
I was watching the RD6 video. Again... And wondering when they stopped with the Pony engine. And why? The batteries just got better?
Not precisely on topic,but closely related. I picked up a collection of early 50s Popular Mechanics magazines, years ago. From about 1952,there was Buick ad,very proudly stating that the majority of their cars now went for more than 100,000 miles before they were given up for good.
A WWII Jeep was completely worn out by 30,000 miles,mostly off road.
Tires lasted a fraction of the mileage of nowadays.
Patient work by decades of engineers have slowly improved the length of life of just about every sub component of vehicles.
Batteries used to be heavy glass jars with asphalt tops. Think about that in a construction vehicle on tracks. So,as he says,improvements in starting systems,also improvements in diesel injector systems made the weight and cost of the pony motors unnecessary.
Starting engines have been around up to the late 1960's, I have a 1966 D7E with a starting engine, works great and would prefer it over electric start in cold temps.
Unwanted moisture!!! maybe dessicant packs in housings also?
They only last a while, after that, they're dead weight. edit: A quick google reveals they last somewhere between 8 to 12 months.
@@aserta ?Large drain plugs in bottom of housings easyto replace 2x a year
@@squatch253 Would you ever consider dumping a {4 liter (canadian)} jug of solvent into compartment, working a few minutes and draining to clean wear debris and rust?
Sportsman's guide has a sale on Ammo cans for parts storage.
Sure. Might as well, if you dont have ammo already, might as well use the ammo cans to hold oreo cookies these days. Record breaking gun sales last december
I've watched all your videos, huge fan but somehow missed your comments on anti-seize? You mentioned you're not big on it. Any chance you'd reiterate your viewpoint? And would it be different in a wet cold environment? Such as the North East USA or Scotland.. I see you use grease every now and then.
@Squatch253 Interesting, thanks!
Funny thing about anti-seize, the only place we used to use it was on snow markers that kep been removed and throne on the ground by a younger crowd in a parking lot we used to plow. We coated the markers with it...was the end!!🤣🤣
I'm also a big fan of grease.
Although I have to admit that I do use copper anti-seize on exhaust related fastners.
I've tried to "join" and hit the button which flashes back at me but nothing happens and I can't watch your video on the big valve. Any ideas?
@@squatch253 I do view on my PC but it is rather old so I guess its not supporting the stuff you are using. I am going to get a new computer when this covid stuff dies down
Can some tell me have to “join” the channel to access the members only content? I don’t ever see the join option....
Click on the blue 'join' button just under the title of this vid next to his nane..hope that helps ya 🙂
@@squatch253 thanks
Hey buddy, how did u get that black eye??
“I was at a bar, talking to this lady,
She told me to shut up,
I thought she said stand up”
See, if you were a Subscriber, you'd have heard about that shiner.
There is a video with that story in it not too far back, have a look!
Captain Crunch
$600-700 seems like a steal (no pun intended) for the new clutch packs..... but definitely a painful line item in a restoration/rescue project.
@@squatch253 This is why I'm happy to have the chance to support the channel. ;-)
Can't save them all unfortunately
An obituary from Germany: I don't have CAT D2, so I don't need instructions on how to fix the part. But the technology behind it was very interesting. Too bad that this ends.
Do what?
Just a rad rusty
Give those old asbestos disks and tetanus infected drive disks to the kids to play hoopla (ringtoss) with.
It can't be any worse than lawn darts.
20 thumbs down hits!! WTF.
What do some people expect?
They let the lunatics out of the asylums 50 years ago..theyre all on the loose now
Squatch those old friction discs might have asbestos in them mate
Haydn Stevens would not might
Just to show how important these steering clutches were: ruclips.net/video/NfEmxobsyOw/видео.html Apparently, in the days before steering clutches were invented, you steered this giant 70-ton steam-b@stard by disconnecting one of the drive wheels and jamming a railroad tie in the tracks:)
1st? wow
Lot of labor to find out you've got junk. :-(
MASSIVELY OFF TOPIC, YOU ARE WARNED!!
I am NOT looking forward to the day that people try and bring old cell phones back to life!! Much the same reason I'm not enamoured of modern vehicles. Too much software to mix and match to get things to work! As an aside, I'd prefer to rewrite at least one of the conflicting modules, thus I support open source software.
Why this diatribe? Too much "How do you get X to work on my computing device?" in comments below.
@@squatch253 when I was younger, I couldn't understand why men collected and restored old tube AM radios. I eventually figured out what you wrote above. I'm still not terribly interested in restoring old tube radios, especially if they only cover the commercial AM band, but I understand why. You may not have wanted to understand videocameras, but you now have to, to post on RUclips!
Exclusive content for "members". You can do that, but from my point of view it really sucks. I have deleted my subscription.
@@squatch253 Thank you for the very detailed answer.
If I had suspected that you were an unreasonable person, I would not have commented. :-)
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In that respect, I don't think the comparison between a magazine and RUclips is 100% apt.
"I don't understand what it has to do with the public feed."
RUclips also informs about posts that are only for members.This is certainly RUclips's calculation and not caused by you.
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