Is China Really Socialist?
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The rising sun symbol on the Thumbnail is pretty disgusting by the way - Why don't you educate yourself on the "Rising Sun symbol" and its implications in East Asian and South Asian history? It's kind of like a Nazi swastika symbol.
Short answer, no. Long answer, is complicated.
So China seems Half-Socialist to me tbh right now anyway
That's some myth considering even the WB backs it. This channel has been making content on China for a long time, but lately it seems you're following the China Uncensored route for commercial success.
I feel that it would help if this video clarified what it meant by "Capitalism", "Socialism" and "Communism", since people have conflicting ideas of what those mean.
He would have to extend the video by several hours and probably still come up short in the minds of many. Getting a consensus of people to agree on those definitions is no easy task.
Exactly- China is about as socialist as the US is capitalist. No country has ever been in the "ultimate form" of any ideology. Everything's a mix based on a given country's culture, history, and location.
@@BuddyLee23 Not at all true. There are many different conceptions of these ideas and you can go into enormous depth discussing these conceptions, but there is no reason to. These conceptions all have specific things in common which is why the words in question are even useful enough to keep using.
Capitalism is an economic system defined by individual/private ownership of capital (among other assets).
Socialism stands as the inverse of capitalism. Meaning that it is defined by it's lack of private or individual ownership of capital. In socialism, capital is not owned/controlled by individuals or small private groups, but is instead owned and operated *democratically*.
You can go into an enormous rabbit hole discussing the many specific ways of doing this democratic ownership, but if workers control their place of work by default in their economic system, the economic system where the worker resides can be fairly called socialism.
Communism is a bigger problem to neatly define because it isn't really an economic system like the previous two. Communism describes not only the economic system of the nation but also the society itself beyond the economy. The specifics of which are a rabbit hole in of themselves but there's no need to dive into that because there can be no (edited to add the word "no" here) good faith debate around whether any nation period has ever achieved communism because they simply have not.
I honestly despise this sentiment of "oh they couldn't possibly define three words they're just too complicated only big brains like mine get it go read sixty books and maybe you'll understand." It poisons the well as much as people who say of any of these systems that they're evil in bad faith.
Most people don’t understand the difference.
Capitalism is private ownership, so one person usually holding total control over his property and everyone who helps him.
Socialism is cooperative ownership. Meaning a pure democracy, or a partnership type relationship towards property. Its owned collectively by the members who maintain and work it.
Communism is one big collective cooperative, it’s basically when all people can agree to share and trade everything and abolish the use of money, government, class division etc. and live in harmony with one another.
@@BuddyLee23 those definitions do have technical definitions though. communism is a marxist term, and capitalism has objective conditions. describing them in theory is easy, assessing how real economies line up against them is difficult.
I would really enjoy a similar video on Vietnam, which while not a democratic state, does seem to follow socialism more closely than one would expect. The use of land leases (a back door LVT) and the high prevalence of CO-OPs in the Market place is particularly interesting.
When u say LVT do u mean land value tax? And i dont know what CO-OP is could u explain pls?
@@Ruiseal I do mean Land Value tax, and a CO-OP, or cooperative, is a business owned by the employees.
@@Ruiseal Worker owned cooperatives
Instead of being state-owned they're owned and controlled by the workers working in the enterprise in some way or another.
It is considered a form of market socialism and most socialists describe it as cutting the middleman capitalist out of the equation altogether without changing market dynamics all that much.
There are many cooperatives around the world, including places like the US so it's not really a ML or Maoist thing, just something co-opted by the left as a decent way of getting real economic power.
There are elections with multiple parties but if you step too far out of line the government will harrass you to drop out of the race. So its democratic but with many asterisks, though that couold be said of the US. They even have a lot of free spech at local government meetings where you can air your grevances but there are always limits. Vietnam opened up capitalism but also made it super easy to form a union, something neither Lenin nor Deng did. Their constitution states that in 2050 they are shifting to a classless stateless society after they build up their education and infrastructure as marx predicted. This should lead to some really interesting outcomes in the future. Their sconomic isolation from the rest of the world and their their ties to the US prior to us throwing them under the bus to the French is why they wewre able to maintain marxist purity unlike the stalinist style nations.
@@anubis2814 Was your comment removed? Thats a shame, it was well written.
I think this video is relatively objective so thx for that, however I have lived in China for more than 10 years and there are a few things that I know are 100% wrong. As an example, (and I've seen so many misunderstandings of this), to clarify you CAN move from anywhere to anywhere in China, including from nowhere in Gansu to metro Shanghai, and you WILL have access to its public schools, jobs, resources etc. As a matter of fact, I went to a public middle/high school in Beijing and almost half of my class did not have a Beijing Hukou. The only difference is that you need to try harder and go through a bit more complicated procedure. It is like an ethnic majority competing for a job with a First Nation candidate, if all else equal, the job will be given to the latter.
Another common mistake, is thinking that high speed rails connecting nowhere to nowhere are useless. You need to keep in mind that even the most remote towns in the country might host millions of people. Those cities you've never heard of are not NOWHERE. Additionally, it helps bridge the gap between remote (and often minority-populated) towns with the coast, and help these places develop economically.
I realize that a lot of time people like criticizing stuff, but to be honest, likely nobody that watched this video has had any experience leading a 1.5-billion-people country, or even a 400-million-people country like America. There is no political or economical system that is "perfect", as long as it suits the mainstream culture, it's fine.
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Agreed. High speed trains and transit between rural areas and wealthy coastal cities are crucial if you want to evenly distribute economic gains. It allows migrant workers and young students to access opportunities in more privileged areas while remitting money, resources, and trained workers back home. Eventually it develops bedroom cities, alleviates urban congestion, and gives rise to new economic centers
还有一点要说明的是，偏远地区的户口，比广州江苏之类在中国比较发达的地区的更好，因为在中国户口的最重要的就是 高考
中国高考按照省排名录取，因为偏远地区教育资源较差国家对偏远地区由补助政策， 比如像西藏 新疆 内蒙古考试生高考同一所大学要地上几十分左右。这个政策是为了防止阶级分化 地区贫富差距过大提出的。
北京高考比河北简单那么多也是为了防止分化？
没有北京户口，就没法参加北京高考啊，他没说错
Some facts:
1. Working 12 hours a day, 6 days a week has been common in many Chinese private companies and enterprises, despite there are laws restricting 8 hours of working per day.
2. Ma Yun(Jack Ma), has been fined over 18 billion CNY (1dollar≈6CNY) for monopolizing the market in 2021. This guy, together with Ma Huateng (head of tencent), are the two most infamous entrepreneurs in China. (If you are interested in this part you can ask some video gamers around you, they could tell you what the f#%k have Tencent done to the game industry)
3. Some TV show companies are accused of SELLING Chinese cultural heritages and patents to other countries just for more profit.
4. House prices are becoming unreasonably high in most cities in China, thanks to the real estate agencies. Some of you may have thought that many Chinese cannot buy houses because of our massive population. No. We've got plenty of houses. They are just too expensive for us. (A joke in China: If you wanna buy a house in Shanghai, you have to work from the beginning of humanity to present)
Many people hate my country because it is a Socialist state, but the true fact is that a lot of young people believe socialism is the only way to rescue them, because it is this 'invisible' capitalism which has caused most of the problems.
Facts.
I'm happy to see that finally there is a mainstream youtube channel discussing the problem of whether China is still socialist. But the video is still somewhat superficial. For example, the leftist comebacks would be a lot more reasonable if the video could inform the audiences that during the recent years, the skyrocketing house prices, deteriorating worker's rights, increasing amount of billionaires and the inequality between the rich and poor had forced young people to reflect on the "glorious achievements“ of the open and reform, and seek for solutions from the Mao era.
Do you have to use Mao? There are probably better Socialists to study to be honest.
Like, from an uninformed Westerners perspective, it seems like Mao is as responsible for China's State-Capitalist economy, as Deng or Xi Jinping.
Did Mao build any substantial Democratic institutions that empowered the Chinese proletariat? Did he encourage Unions or Workers Councils?
From where I sit, the biggest obstacle to the Chinese proletariat owning the means of production, is the Totalitarian Regime of the CCP.
@@caad5258 I agree that Mao isn't perfect, but after all he's the greatest socialist in China, and his name is respected, or even enshrined, throughout China. And China isn't really ready for Scandinavian Democratic socialism and whatnot, since these countries are far more rich in terms of GDP per capita and have much less people. Many people in China are actually seeing the cultural revolution period as more democratic than now, for people could openly criticize their bosses or even revisionist officials of the party, such as Liu Shaoqi or Deng Xiaoping. In some cases the factory was run entirely by workers as this documentary shows ruclips.net/video/7fPGI64eqAI/видео.html.
Mao's CCP was still totalitarian, but people would find it much more appealing than modern day CCP because it actually championed the right of the workers, and claimed that the working class should lead everything.
A developing country must work with all its might
@@mushroomliker6112 So you think poor countries should be blessed for everyone？People who work hard can deserve a good life, not everyone.Even in socialist countries
There is a saying in China, 摸着石头过河, that translates to “cross the river by feeling the stones”. It is generally attributed to Deng Xiaoping, who used it as a metaphor to describe China’s approach towards the reform and opening (改革开放）which kicked off at the end of the 1970s.
I feel that a lot of people who criticise Chinese socialism do not understand this, though I myself am no expert.
Compare Lenin: "The progressive historical role of capitalism may be summed up in two brief propositions: increase in the productive forces of social labour, and the socialisation of that labour."
Marx himself acknowledged that this increase in productive forces was an essential step on the road to socialism. As long as China can be seen to keep one eye on the last few words of that quote, and - especially recently - I believe it can, then I will wish them all the best.
Sorry I’m not understanding the metaphor. Can someone explain?
Tbh so many CPC leaders always speak in poetic terms or riddles and I sometimes don’t understand their metaphors lMao. Like what does that even mean??? Feed the rocks? The quote about “it doesn’t matter if the cat is black or white as long as it catches mice” at least makes sense. I have that prob with Xi granted it’s a wholly different language being translated but his vague sayings are sometimes hard to grasp.
@@seacresthill it means to figure things out as you go
@@TheDeathtune Ah that makes sense. Thanks!
11:58 That road through Taklamakan Desert isn't "useless". It connects to gas and oil fields in the middle of the desert and shortens distance from Hotan to Aksu and Urumqi, and vice versa. It also brings a lot of tourism.
Dont worry, it's western sphere coping mechanism, anything China recently made will be called shit, crap, and flawed.
Little did they know their own infrastructures are meeting their demise.
If you look all china bad videos, 1 good point of China, 3 bad points after it. Its their formula.
Say the good first, then all the bad stuffs later.
Tank man footage, grim undertone background music, bunch of "regime" ,"authoritarian" ,"corruption" vocabularies.
Tourism is not exactly a useful thing
@@turnipsociety706 🤪
@@turnipsociety706 The US domestic tourist market worth 70 billion dollars might beg to differ.
@@clairde Very "Sour Grapes" of him, yeah. I'm no Wumao, but credit where it's due.
Moving within China doesn't result in losing access to public utilities. After like five minutes of googling, it's just a bunch of permit application-related processes, while the video made it seem like moving between towns is illegal. Not showing sources *in the video* for such strong claims is pretty bad for credibility, and going through the whole list of sources without any timestamps or pointers is just awful and gives the illusion of transparency
Yup. There are restrictions, but it's way more nuanced than what the video makes out. It's mostly to prevent large uncontrolled migrations to large cities like you see in LA, SF, and Seattle with large homeless populations everywhere. I got my hukou transferred with a 5 minute trip. Lierally no one over the age of 30 likely had a Shenzhen hukou when they were born.
@@benstark2982 This is wrong, I am Chinese, if you can buy property, you can live in any city
@@adadadaada2243 how can a regular migrant buy property? Coz in my experience many migrants are poor
@@MusabYK Beacause there are no migrants. They are still Chinese. YOU can see a province as a larger city! That's how it works. It's not hard to understand. Every city in the world have both rich people and poor people.
@@satoshi9704 but to my knowledge no country is stopping poor people from moving to big cities because the don't own a property there.
Alright bro, you got me. Gonna sign up for nebula. Your China videos lately are fascinating
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I think you are conflating two ideologies within China and the CCP for one. Its not socialism that is making a revival nowadays, its nationalism. For Xi its the "rejuvination of the country" that he wants, or as his predecessor put it they don't want socialism but rather a "harmonious society". They want to cement the class rule with ever increasing power, not abolish classes altogether.
Thats why they are still incarcerating leftist students who read Marx too literally. Thats why they still break down any attempt of non-state organized unions. Thats why they still keep a tight grip over the party entrances, keeping out leftists while letting in red princlings everywhere.
Yeah he is promoting nationalism with socialism as a mask. The societal class is even more entrenched than ever before.
Yeah this explanation makes a lot of sense, because the video does not really explain what exactly is the preferred policies of Xi and how they are leftist and in continuity with Mao. Yes Xi eliminated the ultra-capitalist members of the party but that doesn't by default mean he has leftist ambition. Honestly it feels like the video is missing something towards the end.
@@am.i.cognizant9981 Yep. Most of the PolyMatter videos lately feel that way to me. Just cut off with no conclusion, ending with an ad. Really unfortunate.
"libertarian leninist" christ, only in the US.
@@indexpictures If you check the channel "about" page, you'll see that it's a joke
I'll never forget seeing the Gucci store in downtown Beijing, with 3 tv screens directly overhead displaying the hammer and sickle with the red Chinese flag in the background. Hilarious.
I'm a Chinese, but THX for providing a foreigner's view. Some mistakes, especially the Hukou, looks ineviable for non-locals, but on the whole, this is good.
5:20 The archival footage early in the video ostensibly showing the death/funeral of Mao is actually not Mao, but Zhu De, Vice President, former General in the Red Army/PLA and part of the central ruling elite. Zhu De also died in 1976, so I suppose it's an easy mistake to make.
Edit: Zhou Enlai also died in 1976. It was a real bad year for top CCP leaders.
Not hard? It was fucking easy to notice the dude had no hair, while showing a picture of Mao in his coffin WITH HAIR, later on.
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Thank you so much for providing this detailed analysis regarding our country's current situation. As a Chinese student studying in an international school in Beijing and looking to go to the US next year, I've found your videos incredibly informative and well-thought. The leftist comeback indeed has decades of history, now pro-Mao groups are gaining momentum on the internet. I have so many thoughts as I watch through this video I can't write them all down, but this is a great video. Love from China
Edit August 25, 2023: I'm now in the United States for some time, I must say that my perspective changed somewhat, though my political stances are still the same
China need to eradicate separatist dogs from taiwan province. lots of work for island to catch up to Chinese ideals. too much imperialist propaganda and western disease like "gay rights". China government need to stop waiting and finish unification.
@@mcbri7608 you must be new here
@@mcbri7608 VPN...lol.
@@mcbri7608 Have you ever heard of a thing called VPN?
That's the thing people don't understand about us Chinese, is that it doesn't matter if China is or isn't socialist...it still is controlled by the Chinese Communist Party with an iron fist, that hasn't changed since Mao's day. In fact I would say during Xi Jinping it has gotten worse, and what's more it's more public but still no one changes anything so I think he is emboldened by that fact
Thank you for the fantastic video elaborating on this topic. I have had this hunch that China went through a whole decade of "Americanization" but decided to take a U-turn up to date. But I never had thought it through by figuring out how the party worked it through and made the turning compatible within itself. Very inspiring views and deep understanding of modern Chinese history!
奥巴马亚太在平衡让中国人感到了威胁这就是全部
In China, this is called the Land Revolution of the New Era. Give land to those who don't have it. Of course, this is just a metaphor. Simply put, in the past few decades, some people have been the beneficiaries of development. The government must pass reforms so that those groups who do not get the benefits enjoy the benefits. Let those groups that have gained benefits give way to groups that have not gained benefits.
I really enjoyed your take on the matter, i think it helped me -understand- more without trying to make me -believe- .
I watched the video on Nebula and I was wondering why would it be de-monetized. Then I found the "Advertiser-friendly content guidelines" for RUclips. Rules for "Shocking content", "Hateful & derogatory content", "Controversial issues", and "Sensitive events". None by itself would exactly flag the video, but a takedown would probably stand by mentioning those rules. It is sad that de-monetization acts as a pseudo-sensorship for RUclips. I guess it is intrinsic of ad-based platforms, not RUclipss fault necessarily. But sad nonetheless.
Realistically, if the advertisers understood how an ad-based platform worked it wouldn't be an issue. It is impossible to manage a content network this large and not have ads on "unsavory" things.
It's only censorship for people that don't have the ability to every once in a while take the hit on producing something that makes less money. For those that have large staffs that help with producing the video, it becomes very hard to justify because there are a lot of mouths being fed from that advertising revenue, and the owner would have to dip deep into his pocket to pay their wages with content that wouldn't make much money. But what that tells you is that the owners are willing to compromise their integrity so long as they can earn more money. If anyone complains about demonetization, they're simply uninterested in making the best possible content, but only making money. I personally work a job much below what I might possibly earn, because it makes enough to pay the bills, I get treated with a lot of respect, and I never have to compromise my principles. That makes me much happier than having a larger investment portfolio.
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De-monetized! But still got a lot of advertisment.
@@stevenglowacki8576 It's still censorship in the sense that if a video gets age restricted/demonetized, it loses a large amount of the potential audience it can reach and it affects how they appear in recommendations. It's not an exaggeration to say a video can lose more than half of views it would normally receive due once it gets demonetized and age restricted. So if a channel's goals were to spread a message or educate to as large an audience as possible, even regardless of any monetary benefit, they would still need to cut content in order to stay with youtube's rules and not be restricted by the algorithms.
"All within the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state," as an Italian with a fez once put it.
Yes this is definitely socialism.
@@harleydavo1099 no, it's about a totalitarian state, which can be left or right or of any ideology really, just not leaving much room for disagreement. You could also have a totalitarian theocracy or eugenics inspired mediocrity. Mussolini, who said that quote was right wing and his party is where the term fascism came from
Mussolini was a socialist, hitler was a national socialist.
Conservative?, sure!, just like the other socialist: stalin.
@@tomlxyz
Mussolini was right wing but did heavily borrow several elements of the left both in theory and in practice especially during and after 1943. Mainly economic and worldview type. Socially he was as right wing as you could get
@@harleydavo1099 you literally proved the first reply correct lmao
I enjoyed this video and proved its true in facts. I grew up in China and spent 30 years there. I have witnessed or experienced everything you said (except for the death of Mao) in this video. Nowadays its so hard to find a video talking about China without a prejudiced view.
okay tracy
@@user-dc9oq2pr6v Okay user
It is not only about ideology. Ppl who are interested in China need to understand the foundamental spirit of China: It wants to revive to its position, which is a dominance, strong and cultural dominance culture/nation. Communists, Captalists, whoever will be in power, that's will be the goal. Independant freedom is of less value collectively viewing (sure there are many individuals thinking differently)
It sounds dumb but, would them having more Kfc’s, McDonald’s, and etc make sense. Since their population compared to America is tripled if not more.
Kfc & McDonalds are not local Chinese brands. They got a lot of local competitors. People in their 40s or 50s are sometimes not used to the tastes of hamburger and fried chicken.
only if they were highly regulated like in europe. otherwise it would just cause mass harm to the population like they do in USA. not only that but those businesses push for cultures to become reliant on them over real cooked food through corrupting and pressuring governments to allow them buy up and close out grocery stores
Not to mention GM and Volkswagen and Tesla are *VERY HUGE* over there.
Having fast food doesn’t matter as to what political system they have.
It's not dumb, you're totally right, the total number has not that much meaning alone. I think the number of McDonald's restaurants per million citizens is much more meaningful. And in this metric China is very far off with their 2.5 McD's per 1M citizens. For comparison, Brazil has 4.92, Italy 10.59, Germany 18.56, Japan 22.93 and the USA, of course leading the chart (ignoring microstates with < 10 McD's), has 40.08 McDonald's restaurants per million citizens.
Socialism with Chinese characteristics means one thing, CPC wants the legitimacy to carry out the policies regardless of whether the policy is socialism or capitalism. what matters is not whether China is socialist or not. what matters is that China has a non-western political system and the system works, which can be a strong deny of the westcentrism and make CPC regain the legitimacy to run its policies. USSR's fall led to a consequence that all non-western (or more precisely, non-American) practices were at fault in some's thoughts (including some CPC members in charge) in China. It actually damages CPC's political independence, especially when China was in poor economic conditions.
你这种作法好比劝风尘女子从良，我倒希望战忽局多一点，让它们误判
@@user-dy4rh5vz4w 愿意交流的自然愿意交流。战忽局不用刻意做，高华会主动骗人。😁他们聪明人再清醒又怎么样，选票又不会投他们。
@@fenchen531 没用的，它们是宗教，只信实力，西方文明比中华文明低一级，没有道德，只有弱肉强实。
@@user-dy4rh5vz4w 误判？你能说服那些西方高层的精英误判吗？中国在海外互联网的形象已经很糟糕了，还要去为这帮白左提供弹药？没有统一组织领导的所谓战忽局对比某岛1450就是一群乌合之众！有些所谓战忽的话说的与1450别无二致，就是思想有问题。像你这种想法的人就是在搞笑😅
This video is disappointing because it only talks about the politics of the leadership and doesn't analyze the actual features of China's existing economic system. For example, it should have evaluated the market capitalization of state-owned enterprises, the size and scope of state capital and equity, the extent to which major firms are coordinated by industrial policies and planning, and the continued role (albeit in more indicative rather than directive) of strategic five-year plans in guiding overall economic development. The video could and should have talked about how, despite being mainly profit-driven entities, many large (majority state-owned) firms often pursue loss-making projects that end up enhancing the potential for growth in the long-term (building infrastructure in unprofitable poor areas, for example).
Other areas relevant to the "socialism" and "capitalism" divide is land ownership in China, the role of non-state cooperatives (especially in agriculture), the role (or lack therof) of employee management in firms, and workers' rights including work hours and a general trend toward improved work-life balance and living standards.
I think the conclusion would be that, yes, China's economy is more socialist in the sense of "market socialism" (they actually call their system a socialist market economy) than many Westerners have been led to believe. But it is still a developing economy moving towards socialism, moving through a capitalist phase of development.
If you know so much about it, make your own video. Don’t come at this one with the veneer of academic criticism because it didn’t agree with your ideology.
@@sambutton8494 There was no "ideology" here, just cold hard analysis. Ideology is driven toward an end; this video focused excessively on ideology rather than systems... despite that, PolyMatter's conclusion was basically the same as mine. Not the sharpest tool in the shed, are you?
You seem to have interesting ideas and passion for the topic make your own video.
Are you a Chinese? Your comprehension to China's political and economic composition is even more deep and comprehensive than many Chinese.
@@timlorgen1971 No, I am not Chinese. I am just interested in dispassionate analysis of different hypothetical and extant economic systems.
just want to rate it 1/5. A perfect example of "rationalization" -- presenting evidence, then interpretation, but the interpretation doesn't at all follow from evidence.
awesome video, super interesting! Hope to get the nebula bundle soon and love what you do Poly!
i really appreciate your more nuanced videos on china in a time where all the discourse around china in the english speaking world seems to be a shouting match between the left and the right, neither of which are particularly well informed on the actual history and material conditions of china. as someone who is very left leaning myself, i don't always agree with you, but i will always respect your perspective on this topic. keep up the good work.
Well said
@@mikeus69 thanks
I’m almost very left leaning myself. What’re some of the things you disagree with him about? Genuinely curious
I don't really see that shouting match
That’s literally one of the only issues where left and right agree, what are you talking about?
While his video was pretty objective, I must point out how flawed was his explaination on Chinas household registry or hukou system. It was not “where your birthplace was all that matters and if you move you cant enjoy public benefits” It’s merely a record of your employment history associated with your work unit, or danwei in Chinese . Anyone can enjoy access to these services anywhere in the country as long as they have a job at the location of their residence. So in otherwords this is a policy designed to get old people out of big cities and create space for younger and more productive population . While westerners won’t necessarily like it, but hey, we got 800 million people to lift out of poverty, gotta do it one by one
It will probably make sense if you see China as a more unified European Union. Within the Union sure you can travel around freely, but to access each province (EU country)'s public welfare, you need to be their local Hukou (Citizen)
@CK Lim i dont see the validity of your comments, not all top tier cities are like that, namely shenzhen. And also, yes that is exactly what I meant by moving younger & more producitve population into these cities. Certain people are more productive in these fourth/fifth tier cities, of which that is where most of China's industries are located in. While others strive in big cities, its an efficient system of resource allocation, ofc with certain freedoms curtailed, but obviously westerner like you wont understand
Except China didn't get 800 million people out of poverty. All they did was lower their poverty line. These 800 million people live on less than $3 a day, while prices are only going up. This people are effectively even poorer than they were a few years ago. You can clearly see this if you travel outside of any 1st tier city. China is full of poor villages where people have dirt floors in their home. China's GDP per capita is lower than many African countries. The truth is only a select few people got really rich in China while the vast majority of people become poorer.
@@deebil8099 how delusional are you mate.
@@deebil8099 i dont think a lot of African countries have a gdp higher than 12k USD a year... and yes please keep that up, your ignorant attitude is the best medicine for China's economic development
A brilliant presentation of very clear thoughts.
I am grateful!
The vangard of the proletariat, cadres, tend to lose sight of their comrades once they own a bmw.
Now that's a quote.
Same with our representatives and senators.
@@dirremoire At least they never pretended to be our "comrades". The US has always been capitalist. In a communist government, the government takes all your money and lives rich, then has the gall to call you and your poor family "comrade" and pretend you're equal in any way. What a joke! Nobody pretends to be your comrade in the US, least of all the rich. Get rich yourself or stay broke, nobody cares. But nobody will stop you either.
Party members are the new aristocrat class. The rest are just serfs. Nothing's changed.
When you have a stake in the existing system, why bother shaking things up.
@@dirremoire goes for everyone and everything really. once you get what you want, why bother to help anyone else?
God I love your informative China videos just straight into the meat and potatoes no filler. perfect!
I can tell the creator of the video read our comments about socialism. I are most pleased you loved the flavors metaphor.
It's quite hard to add a account in some metropolitan city, but just live in is ok, no more processes, just rent a house and live. I came from Baoding, a small city in Hebei, and now I am living in Shanghai. If you want to add a account in Shanghai, you need to graduate from some of the best undergraduate universities in Shanghai, or get a master's degree from a university in Shanghai. In addition, paying social security for a certain number of years can also add a account in Shanghai. Also, you may register as a resident then you can access to some public utilities. Adding an account in most of a medium sized city is quite easy. Such as Xi'an, a provincial capital of Shanxi, you just have a technical secondary school degree or have permanent residence, then you may be a local in that city.
Your content on youtube and Nebula is amazing. keep up the good work!
A new polymatter video, a good day :)
The analysis in the video seems pretty shallow and I don't really see how this answers the very question in the title. I think it's right to point out how Chinese politics have evolved between the different leaders but again, the way that it has been discussed here (in terms of moving away from Maoism or getting back to it) doesn't say much about whether China is socialist or not. Especially because I think that while they have a capitalist approach to a lot of things that started with the opening up, the chinese state also take some decisions that are quite different from a obviously capitalist country like America (such as their crackdown on certain big corporations). Also, I think it would be interesting to define what exactly you mean by socialism if you're trying to say that China isn't it. Not that I think that China is socialist per se, I just think the video didn't really do a good job at explaining why it wouldn't be? Also, some concepts probably would need more explaining such as the hukou system and what the 5-year plans entail. So, in short, the video falls a bit flat to me, your other videos on China were way more cohesive as you were going deep into a specific issue and taking more time to explore what the issues is and what the consequences are.
These guys are probably paid by the CIA or Falun Gong. Their youtube ads are everywhere. The US government spends $300 million a year on propagandas against China.
Very important to understand that Socialism is a platform rather than one clear ideology. For example Adolf Hitler saw himself and his party as Socialists as Nationalist-Socialists or in today's wording as Socialism with German racial Characteristics, and so instead of order of society by economic-social standing as workers, farmers, land owners and so on, Hitler instead saw Socialist order by race, pure white Aryans as the top of society and different cultures or mixes of race below them until the bottom as people who do not have a home country or homeland which at the time were the Jewish people who of course did establish a country not long after the end of WW2 which just goes to show had stupid Socialism is. Is Socialism with Chinese characteristics any different? No. It is still using the same old structure of Socialism with China's own view of order of society by connections, power and influence which is why when the Chinese Communist Party see someone become popular in China and famous that is not inside the Socialist ranks they take forceful action because they are playing outside of the game, famous people who are now in prison or dead or rotting away in Qincheng or Tilanqiao Prisons people like Jack Ma, Edison Chen, Kris Wu, Gao Xiaosong and so so so many other good and talented and gifted people just because they became famous and gained influence which is in competition with the Chinese Socialist order. This goes to show how stupid and old and bad Socialism is, it is an old broken system from an old world and China is stuck to it until it can break free.
@@drscopeify Edison Chen quit the entertainment industry by himself, Wu Yifan raped a minor, and the other two lived a normal life.
Got to give credit to the maker of this video. It's no easy task to summarize the modern history of any particular country in a 20 min video, let alone China, but the author obviously did his homework to give it a nice try. It's a relatively unbiased and objective analysis, thanks.
it's not that people have different ideas and opinions of what it means, they mostly have no idea and have never even read a real scientific book on these themes and take all their information from fox news and other capitalist propaganda channels
I love your videos dude. There’s so much to learn about the world and I’m glad you always make high quality videos for us.
Indeed. A lot more than what's shown in these videos. For instance, China has at least 4 times the population of the US while having areas of 9.5 Mkm² for the US and 9.8 Mkm² foe China. So how surprising is it that they have more Macs and KFC's? If it isn't 4 times at much it wouldn't even be indicative of being more capitalist.
@@stylis666 most of those are dirt poor so it’s even more capitalist just by class divide itself
@@stylis666 Yeah that's what I thought when he said that about KFC. Not really surprising when it's over 3 times the population.
BE AWARE! The Hells Angels and Bloods alliance heads are having talks while you are reading this about their monopole in North America. They want to eradicate the Tai Huen Chai, know as the big circle, and the 14K in the continent. The goal is to overtake all of their activities in the territory. According to their plans, they will be supported by the Sinaloa Cartel and the Sun Yee On for a part of the gains obtained and it would be done by early 2024. If everything goes as planned, the Hells Angels and the Bloods will help the Sun Yee On to continue the Tai Huen Chai and the 14K hunt in Asia. They told their mens to prioritize the capture, mostly for torture and interrogation before killing and for selling but to kill right away if they can not capture. This is what the members having close ties with the Hells Angels chapter leaders are talking about. Some had already start moving to the targeted main operation areas and had been told that it is safe to because the Tai Huen Chai and 14K members are weak and stupid, rat like beings. They have to get the job done by any means, even if mass killing is needed. If you are involved tell you comrades about what is happening before it is too late to prevent the bloodbath and their fall!
You should do your own research and not rely on these so called "experts" to misinform you. Learn Chinese, go visit China, compare with archival footages of what China used to be like prior to its independence in 1949. Find out why the US did not recognize the government of mainland China but recognized the government in Taiwan as that of China between 1949 and 1972. Find out why over $2B of US tax payer money is been allocated for full spectrum war with China. This video is funded by US tax payers to misinform them so as to continue the forever wars to prop up US capitalism and imperialism. Search "Chronology of U.S.-China Relations, 1784-2000"
So these comment section is just going to be people defining their own definition of Socialism basically.
People don’t realize socialism is only defined by one axis on the political compass
The political compass is arbitrary and a joke
Ya its such a pain that these terms are so relatively meaningless between poorly informed supporters and poorly informed opponents.
@@joma5721 of course it’s not concrete but no it isn’t a joke despite what Reddit says
@@joma5721 the political astrolabe is most accurate
I don't care that they built a few roads and high speed rail lines that don't serve very populated areas. They did far, far more than America, where we have crumbling infrastructure, higher crime rates, no world-class high speed rail AT ALL, and everything is only ever done for the sake of profit rather than for the good of society.
No matter how you spin it, China has seen incredible growth, especially in transportation and infrastructure.
Polymatter continues to impress!
Nice to hear narration that is well scripted and delivered with perfect cadence. Clear - concise! Thank you
It'd be appreciated if you showed viewers how exactly Xi's China is still "on the path to socialism". I didn't notice much analysis (or merely a mention) of policies that suggest a more socialist approach to the Chinese economy by Jinping's government.
You mentioned Xi's fight against corruption, or that leftists gained some political ground in the late 2000s, and vaguely remarked that the CCP needs to brand itself as the guide towards socialism to justify its power to the populace. So, how exactly did these shifts translate into policy that aims at actually leading to socialism?
TLDR; where are China's modern "socialist" policies? The video mentions none.
I am a Chinese, Mao Zedong said: A single spark can start a prairie prairie. As long as the Chinese have faith, they will get closer and closer to the goal. The country will also grow stronger. There is a Chinese saying: A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step. Everyone does their own thing well, that is socialism.
So far the most critical policies are popping housing bubbles, regulation on tech sector, crushed private education industry.
@@user-ef2wy9fs2o no that is captlisitm
BE AWARE! The Hells Angels and Bloods alliance heads are having talks while you are reading this about their monopole in North America. They want to eradicate the Tai Huen Chai, know as the big circle, and the 14K in the continent. The goal is to overtake all of their activities in the territory. According to their plans, they will be supported by the Sinaloa Cartel and the Sun Yee On for a part of the gains obtained and it would be done by early 2024. If everything goes as planned, the Hells Angels and the Bloods will help the Sun Yee On to continue the Tai Huen Chai and the 14K hunt in Asia. They told their mens to prioritize the capture, mostly for torture and interrogation before killing and for selling but to kill right away if they can not capture. This is what the members having close ties with the Hells Angels chapter leaders are talking about. Some had already start moving to the targeted main operation areas and had been told that it is safe to because the Tai Huen Chai and 14K members are weak and stupid, rat like beings. They have to get the job done by any means, even if mass killing is needed. If you are involved tell you comrades about what is happening before it is too late to prevent the bloodbath and their fall!
That’s because it isn’t an analysis video, it is a propaganda video telling westerners what they want to hear: that the CPC is evil and scary and actually really bad despite having a 90% approval rating from its people.
I’ve been seeing more and more insane videos about China on RUclips. Like that recent one from Johnny Harris, which was straight up misinformation. I wonder if these videos are produced with a part of the $300 million the US government spends on anti-China propaganda.
Thank you for your content
the video cliffhanger as a nebula advertisement has got to be the biggest strike against nebula as far as I care. if you really care you'll simply post it to RUclips and not worry about the money.
yeah he's getting really obnoxious with these nebula adverts.
Great video as always!
It seems to me that few outside of China know what's going on... Can't believe people still ask how I access youtube or play the social credit meme. No one has properly addressed our grievances.
Just ignore them. They've been brainwashed. When they can't handle the truth, they just hide behind the social credit meme
What are the grievances?
I am actually very dissatisfied with the fact that Marxist socialism started in Europe, but you gave it up. I would rather be sucked by capitalists than fight for revolution. It's like boiling a frog in warm water. Slowly unable to breathe. I'm a Chinese, and I watched that Spanish TV show about robbing the bank and printing money to give to the poor. It seems to be popular all over the world. Why is this? Where there is oppression, there is resistance.
Of course not, most countries' international news only come from their neighboring nations plus the US and where they wage war lmai
I am not familiar with internal Chinese politics, can you explain what these grievances are?
i am Chinese,to be honest,i can't feel anything socialist in my daily life.
I love how this video somehow succeeds in the most watered down, nonsensical analysis of China. I don't think I understood a single point from your mouth and I have done papers on China and it's politics from 2005-2016. How is this even possible. This is like the embodiment of empty calories in the form of a video.
99% of the media are anti-China, you might as well watch "Red Star Over China"
That's probably the perfect description for this video. Its kinda shocking how the quality of this channel has nosedived.
What the heck are you Westerners talking about?
Not to mention making such a ridiculous claim as the 800 million figure coming out of poverty being fake news and not even elaborating on it one bit lol
Yeah, that's a huge red flag.
Always a good day when a Polymatter video is released!
Just as I needed my next video to watch!
China is so complex and unique, that no one can understand 100%.
True, even in China people arguing on this day and night... tired of that already
Your videos are genius. Could listen all day.
Yeah, ignorant centrist-apolitical type western european womit his dogmas about China (phrase: "Authoriterian State Capitalism")
"China is more capitalist than America because there are many McDonald's and consumerism is pretty large"
Dude, there are about 4,000 McDonald's for 1,4 billion people while there are 13,000 McDonald's in usa with 330 million people
Household expenditure is just 30-40% of the gross domestic product.
Yes but most Chinese buy 2-3 unfinished houses because they expect the price to go up in the future. That is extreme capitalism.
@@SelfProclaimedEmperor they buy houses because they need them for residential rights.
@@maazahmedpoke You only need 1 house for that. 2-3-4? Those are investments.
4k macdonalds is a lot for a "socialist" country. if i were the king of a socialist state then i would only allow 1 or 2 macdonalds
@@SelfProclaimedEmperor that is extreme govt intervention. The govt meddled with the economy by keeping interest rates artificially low. This encouraged excessive borrowing and leveraging.
I bought the nebula package and it really lacks the option to filter only exclusives. As it is I’m watching your videos on RUclips and to be honest I cannot be bothered to check nebula and see which videos I’ve seen and which I didn’t. Don’t try to supplant RUclips, you will fail at that.
5:50 the picture showed isnt Mao, it's Zhu who passed away the very same year, who was to be believed the head of the military of China.
This was super interesting. Do you think there's any chance of more videos about life in and the current and future political trajectory of China? Thank you for this one, regardless!
Stay well out there everybody, and God bless you, friends. ✝️ :)
Interesting video!
I am happy as long as they keep translating all the awesome danmei novels, MXTX and Priest and others keep writing them, and genshin keeps getting updates lol
CCP still approving Genshin Impact despite of their iron fist policies proves China is closer to capitalism
Genshin fandom is among the most hedonistically self-indulgent capitalists I ever seen and they're forming subcultures based of international exploitative markets
Whether you view the PRC as communist or capitalist depends on where you look. At the day to day consumer level, it’s very capitalist. Fast food, fashion, phones, etc., but on the macro level, the government’s meticulous vice grip of the economy and culture is unmistakable. It’s a layered society in that regard.
Great vid as always!
It's more of a command capitalist economy.
The point of the command isn't to truly improve the conditions of the working class but to maintain control.
It's much closer to corporatism, if the supreme corporate is the CCP.
sounds exactly like america but with less back door stuff and less oligarchs from outside the country controlling the culture
That isn’t communism though and the video is about socialism
@@Teladi-Never-Paid-Dividends yeah to me the "communist" label doesnt make any sense since the workers dont actually have organization over the means of production and there are many privately owend megacorporations. instead a label like "state capitalism" is way more applicable.
its fascism.
Chinese here, I got say you have a deep understanding of China's polical history in recent 50 years, and I agree with your conclusion.
So far, this is the only video I saw made by non-Chinese pointing out that China is a capitalized country proclaims itself as a socialism one. But to say Xi Jinping is bringing back Maoism is just as wrong as saying China is a socialism country tbh. One of the key ideas of Maoism is to use continued revolutions to prevent bourgeoisies from taking power again. To attain this goal, people must be encouraged to criticize or even replace their government if they find it incapable, corrupted or leaning towards bourgeoisies, like what they did in the culture revolution. However, after Xi came into power, censorship was even stricter than before. Apparently what Xi and his government’s doing is just the opposite of Maoism. One of the consensus of Chinese new leftists is that Xi is using Mao to promote his nationalism in order to hide the accumulated internal conflicts between different social classes and continue to develop bureaucratic capitalism in China. There are only liberal capitalism vs bureaucratic capitalism among those governors, not likely someone really believe in Maoism.
Right
10:09 💀bruh did you pull this footage from an alternate universe
Zheng Bush
I like how you produce content.Always well researched and interesting presentation
A.G.I Will be mans last invention
I beg to differ that the road build in the middle of nowhere (probably the dessert in China) is actually useful that connect the coastal area of China to xinjiang and Tibet.
Neither socialism nor capitalism should be synonymous with a country. If someone does, I can tell you in a responsible way. He is in the service of politics... To be more direct, are Europe and the United States capitalist? But what is the difference between his welfare system and socialism in essence?? Can you say: Oh, this capitalist country is turning to the socialist camp?
Deng Xiaoping repeatedly said the goal of reform was to make them rich enough to survive the transition to communism
Just want to point out Australia also grew during the GFC, we thought we were the only one in the advanced economies that did until this video.
Look into why it grew. It’s because of chinas stimulus. You exported a lot of coal and other minerals to China. That’s why relationship was at an all time high during the GFC.
@@TheZachary86 - precisely!.... Rudd over played his domestic GFC response, when PRC tripled its already record level coal and iron ore imports from Australia, thus putting a turbo on it's flat and declining manufacturing economy. China was the tractor that kept Australia out of the ditch.
@@TheZachary86 rate of economic growth in foreign countries increases exports and aggregate demand, which causes an increase in prices due to a temporary shorted and increased GDP due to higher levels of production --> which leads to economic growth and an increased derived demand for labour, which decreases unemployment during the GFC.
Because of China, lmao.
@@TheZachary86 pretty sure it was because of the Australian Governments stimulus which has been researched well. It was never done before and won awards
Wow, this channel describes China so accurate so precise and so professional.
You continue to impress.
11:10 I'm no expert on China, but I dunno about Deng's faction being so adamant about speedy political reform, Deng himself greenlit the suppression of Tiananmen and it was his withdrawal of political cover for Zhao Ziyang's, arguably the most liberal of reformers, downfall. I'd argue there was moreso a conclusion that a "Chinese glasnost" wasn't happening. But then again, I'm no expert on this
I do feel like the failure the mention the more progressive reformers of the 80s, i.e. Hu Yaobang and Zhao Ziyang misrepresents the extent to which political reforms seemed viable in the 80s. The video also represents Deng's faction as pretty much the most reformist faction in the CCP in the 80s, which is definitely not the case.
Zhao/Hu was in Deng’s faction until late 1980s. Zhao was supposed to be Deng’s successor. So it is wrong for you to assume they are in separate faction. They are not.
@@achmedaan In early 1980s Deng is in favor of political and economical reforms. The problem came in late 1980s from USSR. Seeing how USSR is collapsing after political reform. Deng fear China would suffer the same fate, thus he grow more conservative on the political reform. But remained open on economic reform.
BE AWARE! The Hells Angels and Bloods alliance heads are having talks while you are reading this about their monopole in North America. They want to eradicate the Tai Huen Chai, know as the big circle, and the 14K in the continent. The goal is to overtake all of their activities in the territory. According to their plans, they will be supported by the Sinaloa Cartel and the Sun Yee On for a part of the gains obtained and it would be done by early 2024. If everything goes as planned, the Hells Angels and the Bloods will help the Sun Yee On to continue the Tai Huen Chai and the 14K hunt in Asia. They told their mens to prioritize the capture, mostly for torture and interrogation before killing and for selling but to kill right away if they can not capture. This is what the members having close ties with the Hells Angels chapter leaders are talking about. Some had already start moving to the targeted main operation areas and had been told that it is safe to because the Tai Huen Chai and 14K members are weak and stupid, rat like beings. They have to get the job done by any means, even if mass killing is needed. If you are involved tell you comrades about what is happening before it is too late to prevent the bloodbath and their fall!
How about a video on the CIA infiltration you mentioned in the video??? Sound extremely interesting.
Idk if that was just "oh my enemy's are Cia spys" or if the Cia gave money for bribes in exchange for future info. Probably both.
That‘s the most interesting part of the whole video.btw, r U Chinese?
@@satoshi9704 No, I am not although I have lived in China for a couple of years and I also speak the language
@@attilagal9 这个视频很有意思，我们的政府极力避免向民众传达CIA渗透的切实证据。我们不想加重局势的恶化，特别是美国对中国进行制裁激起了民族主义的骚动。但是这个视频直接暴露了美国的帝国主义行为，太有意思了。
CCP bot.
Excellent video!
I just wish the pace of this video can be 1.5x quicker. It is too slow and straight to the point
some people in the US still solely believe that China is still a communist country... There are many anti-china political campaigns that leverage these innately vague terms to work towards their favor. I strongly agree with the opening statement, it really doesn't matter what color of the cat is. Somewhere down the decades of debate, we just began to forget what these "isms" are supposed to do and serve for.
It's less about the color of the cat and more about who is that cat's owner?
If it's the government, it's communism. If the cat is owned by a private company that is still run by the government, it is still communism. If the cat is owned by a private company, run by private personnel, who's assets, market value, and major business decisions are still determined by the government, it is STILL communism. So, no, it's not a semantics game, those "some people" in the U.S. know what has changed and what hasn't changed.
@Stephen lee it's so obvious the Chinese people have Communist system in itself from parents to their kids they act brazenly communist, but they also works with socialist like quite the entire europe but different, basicly the state owned the land but it is taxless for the people.. Capitalist is already forseeable from their money oriented society..
@Stephen lee So deng xiaoping saying no matter what the isms they always take what works for them.
DPP in Taiwan purpots this perception as well; it's 1 of the most quoted reasons for being anti-China.
It is still as it is written in it's constitution and what Biden mentioned about Xi Jinping is a dictator is true as the PRC constitution clearly written - Chapter I General Principles
Article 1 The People’s Republic of China is a socialist state under the people’s democratic dictatorship led by the working class and based on the alliance of workers and peasants.
The socialist system is the basic system of the People’s Republic of China. Disruption of the socialist system by any organization or individual is prohibited.
I liken the Chinese as having run under the New Economic Program (NEP) of the early, post-Civil War USSR for 30 odd years.
Damn. So I'm actually originally from Chongqing, was actually in CQ in 2012 or so when there was this mass arrest/crackdown incident.
IDK if I dreamt it or not
Hey maybe link the Nebula/Curiosity Stream bundle in the description?
As Vijay Prashad said: Is China socialist or capitalist is a non-Marxian question; establishing socialism is a process, not an event. China took the route of allowing capitalism to enter in order to advance its productive forces, after which it will start transitioning more and more into a socialist nation with a socialist society. Even in Xi Jinping’s book - The Governance of China - he states that China is still in the very beginning of developing socialism and it will stay that for a long time; one of the first major milestones to reach being the year 2049, which is over two decades from today
It can only be said that you do not understand China. If we discuss "whether China is capitalist or socialist" in the context of China, the answer is socialism with Chinese characteristics. Emphasizing that socialism is a stage rather than just a social nature is inherently Deng Xiaopingism. In the Marxist-Leninist tradition, socialism and capitalism are issues of a social nature. "Socialism is a process", this is generally the view of the Socialist International. The Comintern opposed this view, and Chinese Marxists inherited from the Comintern also disagreed with this statement. Deng Xiaoping created the rhetoric of "the primary stage of socialism", which shows that socialism is both a social nature and a stage process.
哦，顶着兔子头像，国人啊，没必要装外宾吧？“社会主义只是过程”，这是伯恩施坦和考茨基的修正主义，这是共运史和我党党史里面有公论的。邓希贤发明的“初级阶段”本来就是弱化社会主义作为一种“社会制度”和“意识形态”，强调作为“发展阶段”的社会主义。毕竟“阶段”比社会制度和意识形态更能服务于他所谓的“和平与发展”。“Is China socialist or capitalist is a non-Marxian question”简直可笑，如果这不是个意识形态问题，邓希贤难道会发明“猫论”和“市场手段论”吗？你以为你比邓公聪明吗？要是列宁没批判过伯恩施坦和考茨基，他倒是会改成那个Vijay Prashad说的样子。
？African or Chinese?I'm a little unsure？
quite the opposite, Deng thought the reform after the collapse of CCCP (known as "Shock Therapy", which is totally a failure) was to fast
A pragmatic political philosophy based on cultrual traditions and social consensus especially about collectivism , not so much on western ideological divisions, as a Chinese I think so.
Let's be honest -- the Chinese KFC food is like 10X better then US KFC food -- the spicy chicken is like Popeyes on steroids. Plus they have those small egg tarts that are great as well.
Also I recently watched a Chinese TV show where the gods in the show had a whole plotline about raising money to afford healthcare -- I can't imagine anything more capitalistic then that.
KFC, McDonalds are treated as mid-high class restaurants in China, while low in the US. The price is similar, yet restaurants are generally 1/4-1/6 as expensive as American ones
@@Nathan-jh1ho Used to be mid-high class restaurants -- in the 80s, KFC could even be a legitimate wedding venue. Not any more, especially in large cities. The nominal price of Kfc has been frozen for over a decade, during which the median income tripled.
Same for Korea, Japan, Taiwan, Philippines... The U.S. KFC=🗑️
@@yuzhaoyang8085 They did upscale the internal furnishings in the early 2010s, it looks like fake wood paneling in a lot of the establishments that I've been to.
yummy KFC fried with gutter oil
This is basically that meme from a while back in a nutshell “well yes but actually no”
Yes but actually no but actually yes
@@stevej71393 What? You're looking at this backwards. They are streamlining capitalism in order to bring themselves to power. It's not a "semblance" of capitalism. It's very real capitalism.
The hukou thing, that was supposed to bind the people to where they were born in the last few decades, has greatly changed in the last 10 years.
People can freely move to China’s Beverly Hills and find a job that allow them settle down nearby. Their kids can compete in the same battle field as locally born kids in the event of Gaokao, the China’s SET.
Our political textbooks say so, a little simplified.
Communism distributes value according to needs.
Socialism distributes value according to labor.
Capitalism distributes value according to capital.
I'm from China
There are in fact a lot of KFCs in China. I went there in 2019 for about two weeks and I must have seen 50 different KFCs.
麦当劳和肯德基都很多，在中国互联网上还有个肯德基的meme叫做"疯狂星期四"。
One of the best channels on youtube
Dope thumbnail dude
When I see this title, as Chinese I can tell you the answer is no, even without watching this video
China: state- controlled capitalism.
USA: capitalism- controlled state.
LOL! Ok.
nah China: One man controls everything with his party.
Somehow correct
"crisis made the leftist faction strong"
This is literally what the "Capital" predicted lol
As a foreigner, you have correct cognition to China. Actually, China has once again followed the old path of the Soviet Union. Where China will go in the future, none of us can predict.
Am I the only 1 who saw the thomnell and thought it was a video about imperial Japan but with McDonalds as the emperor and then read it and released it was about china
BTW for people who have not signed up for Nebula PolyMatter has a great Macau (all the other videos are great as well) on there. Great stuff and worth 15 a year for just the PolyMatter videos.
I would love to hear Caspian Report and Hakim's take on this, too.
Well, Caspian Report did make a video called "Why China cannot abandon socialism", or something along those lines.
@@GTAVictor9128 that basically just said that because the west is poor and the east is rich they needed socialism to transfer the wealth, but they really don't, they could just transfer money anyway.
Because socialism is the foundation of a country and the legitimacy of a country. Just like all the dynasties in Chinese history, they will say that they have historical legitimacy. To abandon socialism is to betray the people and the country. Inappropriate name. The country will be divided. Isn't this the story after the Soviet Union denied Stalin? It is also what you in the West want to see now.
Hakim should be removed from RUclips
@@Srijit1946 why the fuck should reasonTV be removed from RUclips. Do they advocate for authoritarian regimes and deny genocides like Hakim?
This video's description of the left is completely wrong. Wang Hongwen, Hua Guofeng, the "Birdcage Sect" and Bo Xilai are all members of the same faction. There is actually no genetic connection between them.
2:20 that's a bit like saying there are laws against sleeping under bridges for the rich and poor
This video takes an illicit turn, I would of liked if you would of zoned in on some of Xi’s more socialist policies like cracking down on banks, billionaires, and big tech companies. You could of also gone into his more interesting family policies and the fact that Chinese apps have timers on them to ensure citizens aren’t on their phone too long. You showed GDP growth, but didn’t do much else to show any real significant data of value to your video. Just felt like this video was void of hard data and filled more with opinions/narratives
Technology is a double-edged sword. The timer you mentioned is just a reminder. When artificial intelligence leaves you without privacy, capitalists can control everything about you through big data. Your child will play pointless games around the clock. You'll probably be jerking off to naked women all the time. People should learn restraint. If you can't, someone needs to remind you that freedom is relative freedom. You can't kill people and say it's your freedom. Then I said that the nuclear bomb will destroy the world, everyone is free, and the soul is free. Isn't this very selfish behavior?
You must be the son of a bank or a capitalist. Capitalists are ugly and greedy. Exploiting the surplus value of others has to whitewash oneself. The Chinese media has kneeled down and called Jack Ma (Jack Ma) Dad. If you don't clean him up, what is socialism?
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Yes.
yup he screwed it up and doesn't actually answer the question with examples. there's very little in this video that shows that china is becoming socialist again.
You call a strategic railway potentially connecting China and Central Asia "a railway from nowhere to nowhere"?
Yeah, this is overall good political coverage, but you can definitely detect the bias here. Many Westerners see incremental infrastructural investment as a waste, when in reality, it's because they've zoomed-in too closely to see the context of long-term planning, same as the "Empty Ghost Cities", which now have millions living in them. I find it convenient that you have to pay to subscribe to his Nebula to hear why he thinks China hasn't reduced poverty.
Western observers want to see their stereotypes confirmed
i cringed when he said that. the whole point of a railway to connect stuff, not the nowheres inbetween the stations. also that desert has a decent amount of industrial and tourism activity, just because it doesn't have giant cities all over it like the rest of china doesn't mean nobody goes there.
Deng actually considered changing the name of the party at one stage.
Can anyone recommend some books that delve more deeply into the matter presented in the video?