something i do for all my subsonic reloading, is after i finish the round, i take a blue sharpie and go along the rim, so i KNOW to never use that brass for a standard loading again. just an extra safety tip! Happy loading!
I do the same. Basically when they are finished and cleaned I made up a foam pad and put thinned down pain on it. Push it down so the paint covers the extracter rim then sit it on another pad to run off then wipe the base off. Reason I do it that way is the paint don't rub off being in the extracter groove. I don't understand why you would never use a sub case for a normal load again unless you punch out the flash hole. (I have better velocity spread with non drilled large primer using a cci 250 then I did with any combination. I'm using trailboss tho.)
@@andrewzimba7432 , I've heard one should not use cases from subsonic loads for full power loads due to the case not stretching, and in fact shortening in length. This increases headspace. Not dangerous with low power loads, high/ full power loads may lead to case separation.
I hope someone will see this and respond. I used this formula with one exception. I loaded 165 gr Hornady BTSP over 10 gr. Trail Boss. I drilled out the flash hole to 7/64 and used Federal 210 Match primers. I am hoping to find good results for hogs using a Silencer Co Harvester on a Mossberg MVP Flex with 1:10 twist and an ATN 4K Pro 3-14 for a hunt coming up for my granddaughter and me.
The speed of sound will depend on atmosphere air density. It changes all the time. It's not the same in hot dry air at 8000 feet as it is at sea level below freezing. At sea level with dry air at 68*F the speed of sound is 1125fps.1050 fps is a common number to strive for and allows some room for thick air. But I have had supersonic crack at 1020fps in the winter. If you plan on loading for thick air there are charts online.
Watch out with that stuffed animal filler. It looks like Dacron, which can gum up a silencer even if it leaves the barrel clean. Most centerfire silencers don’t come apart to clean, so they can become dangerous. With the right powder, filler isn’t necessary at all; especially with Trailboss. I use Titegroup without filler or opening the flash holes. Most of the case is empty, but it isn’t position sensitive so is very consistent.
The problem I have when I clean the brass, is that there is always some corn cob stuck in the flash hole. How do you deal with that problem? Why don’t you do a video about what happens when you reload a rifle round and tumbling media remains/lodged in the brass. How it effects pressure, accuracy, and how likely it is to blow up the gun. You make awesome videos and I'm most grateful for all the work you do.😊
Does commercial subsonic ammo have filler in the shells? Or do they use a different propellant that fills the shell chamber for their ammo? Just curious as to whether you know!
Your formula is a bit different than mine. Like you mentioned, I also use Trail Boss, open up the flash hole. However I use a CCI Large Rifle Magnum primer, without using a packing material. Prior to switching to the CCI mag primer I got some annoying variances shot-shot. And a good bit more fouling than I would like. But once I switched; I have yet to see anything more consistent.
The Way Of MGTOW good idea!....I get great accuracy with the 700x and I forgot to mention I also take a bit of sizing lube and run it around the base of the bullet before I seat just to make sure it gets out the barrel!
I am trying to safely reload subsonic for my 300WM using 190 Accubond. My gunsmith said to be careful because too little powder could blow up the gun. Is that correct? I want to use Trail Boss for the powder. A friend suggested trying 9 to 11 grains of Trail Boss. Safety is my main concern.
Ron A, Too much /little of the wrong powder May cause a problem. But even too little of the correct powder won't do any more than stick a bullet in the bore. Now, firing another round with an obstructed bore Will be a problem. The same with double charging a case with a load that's only safe with a single loading. Ocassionally a reloader may throw around the term "SEE" in a vain or misdirected attempt to seem educated. At least two major powder manufacturing companies have tried to reproduce this, all to naught. The exception to this is only when they double or triple charged a case with the supposed load (ie: instead of the 5.0 grains the handloader swears he loaded, the powder co. loads 10.0 and up to 15.0 grains of powder X). Once a gun is destroyed, it's difficult to reconstruct how he managed it. In almost every case, the reloader dis-assembles the remaining cases, and, no surprise, all have the correct amount of powder, "proving" that the case that blew up the gun Must have been correct also and could not possibly have been overcharged. Each kernel /grain of powder produces a certain amount of energy. The less kernels the less energy. To the point where not enough energy is produced to push the bullet from the muzzle. Whether the primer flame burns from the powder base towards the front or flashes over the powder column, it still remains there is only one way for the pressure to escape: towards the muzzle. A firearm designed to operate at 62,000 psi ( and proof tested at 80,000 psi ) would be hard pressed to self destruct at 8,000 psi with 3.5 grains of a ( correct ) powder ...
Thank you. So what would you recommend for bench and maybe long range. Been looking at savage fcp sr 6mm or 6.5 and stealth. Thank you for your help. I reload but only pistol right now. I really like reloading.
Kimber Cowboy I would start with rem7 or any model savage. They both have a big after market base. You can always upgrade the barrels when you got the cash. I'm a big fan of tikka myself. The actions are smooth as glass and really accurate. They are pretty popular in aftermarket world to.
Hi mark...recoil is similar to a .243. I do not have a 6.5 gas gun but I've shot them before. Recoil is a little more noticeable on gas in my opinion....more like a .308. Thanks for watching
Ron A, No, this is a urban ( reloaders ) myth. Fun to pass on as if we know something another doesn't, but not true. Many have tried to reproduce this after a handloader wrecks his rifle ( NEVER with a handgun, this should provide a clue ) claiming he charged, say ten cases with a certain lite charge, and nine fired fine ( or so it's claimed ) and the tenth blew up. The mere mention of the guy having inadvertently double charging that case is seldon offered as a cause. There was an article in PRECISION SHOOTING magazine ( can't remember the title nor author ) that delved into this phenomenon ( as it was consistantly labeled at the time this was actively discussed ) where possible causes of too much pressure destroyed a rifle. Labs at powder manufacturers tried to recreate this using the same criteria the handloader "claimed" he used, all to no detriment. The charges were actually gradually reduced untill the bullet failed to exit / stuck in the bore. Naturally the lab made sure to visually and physically check the bore, something a shooter may do religiously the first number of firings but once the load proves safe this practice is neglected and evenually dropped. The labs were unable to reproduce this phenomenon. A bullet obstructed in the bore with the next round ( or two or more ? ) fired may cause problems. Nevermind the guy who unknowingly double or ( dare i say, triple charges a case with fast burning pistol powder, or the Wrong powder ! ) How many will admit to self-idiocracy ? Each kernel of powder has a certain amount of powder it can produce. A case that can safely hold a fifty grain load will be safe with a five grain load ( of a different powder ! ). It Cannot produce more pressure if the case it is contained in is the same volume. The claim that the primer flame flashes over the powder and burns from the bullet towards the case head thereby increasing pressure ( with a subsonic powder charge ) beyond what a proofload produces boggles my mind. All things being equal, less powder produces less pressure. More powder produces more pressure. I was wrong once, so i have been wrong. But since reloading from the early '90s and shootin many lite loads ( sticking cast and jacketed bullets in revolvers as well as rifles ) i've never blown up a firearm nor case. I don't consider myself a Christopher Columbus, but at the same time not the timid fools standing on the dock jeering and fortelling doom to anyone sailing into uncharted waters. I will follow others and so far have returned safe. Take responsibility for Your actions ( or lack thereof ).
Why would anyone try to load match grade, Sub sonic ammo?. It drops about 1 Ft below muzzle at 100 yds. Sighted at 50 yds 1 ft at a 150 yds. Paper punching? Hunting? loaded with a 30-30 bullet, might expand at 100 Yds at 800 Fps
Do not capitulate to these people do not make it easy for them let them know that they're unwanted if you move next to a shooting range expect to hear gunshots if you move next to a farm you should expect to smell cow s*** don't give these people an inch
because you can use the same powder bullets case primer and use a different gun and have totally different results, then turn around and sue this guy because you got injured.
Stopped watching after drilling out the flash hole. A real rookie move and using Trail Boss there is no need to increase the flash I don't think he is very clued up on ballistics.
Andy Meresse yes. Drilling the flash hole is really not worth the time it takes. I use large magnum rifle primers for subsonic 308 with trail boss powder and it works just fine.
"I'm sure our representatives will come up with a common-sense solution." "Common-sense gun control" has been the problem all along. Talk about misplaced faith...
What you should have done was take the money from the trust set up, the money for the tax stamp, the money for the silencer, and get 10 other people to do the same. You would then have a good chunk of change, hand it over to the gun range to help their defense and show support. When was the last time that your representatives did anything right? But I can see what your trying to do. Why would anybody help you when you need some help?
something i do for all my subsonic reloading, is after i finish the round, i take a blue sharpie and go along the rim, so i KNOW to never use that brass for a standard loading again. just an extra safety tip! Happy loading!
I do the same. Basically when they are finished and cleaned I made up a foam pad and put thinned down pain on it. Push it down so the paint covers the extracter rim then sit it on another pad to run off then wipe the base off. Reason I do it that way is the paint don't rub off being in the extracter groove.
I don't understand why you would never use a sub case for a normal load again unless you punch out the flash hole. (I have better velocity spread with non drilled large primer using a cci 250 then I did with any combination. I'm using trailboss tho.)
Why would you not want to load cases shot with subsonic loadings in standard pressure loads again?
I just use brass from a different manufacturer. I use federal. I found that it gives me the exact same nt as my super sonic load. Outlaw 220 exots
@@andrewzimba7432 ,
I've heard one should not use cases from subsonic loads for full power loads due to the case not stretching, and in fact shortening in length. This increases headspace. Not dangerous with low power loads, high/ full power loads may lead to case separation.
@@fjb4932 OK, but the other way around is fine? Supersonic reloaded as sub?
I hope someone will see this and respond. I used this formula with one exception. I loaded 165 gr Hornady BTSP over 10 gr. Trail Boss. I drilled out the flash hole to 7/64 and used Federal 210 Match primers. I am hoping to find good results for hogs using a Silencer Co Harvester on a Mossberg MVP Flex with 1:10 twist and an ATN 4K Pro 3-14 for a hunt coming up for my granddaughter and me.
I know this is an old video. But I love in Vermont and everything you said in the beginning is spot on and I deal with it in northfield as well
Great point on the squib loads. Supper helpful since I’m looking at an LR308
Cool vid i have never seen anyone use the teddy bear guts good idea
A 3' section of 1/4inch brass rod works great for squib load bullet removal. They will happen..............
Yeah they'll come out with a plan!! They close the range down!!
The speed of sound will depend on atmosphere air density. It changes all the time. It's not the same in hot dry air at 8000 feet as it is at sea level below freezing. At sea level with dry air at 68*F the speed of sound is 1125fps.1050 fps is a common number to strive for and allows some room for thick air. But I have had supersonic crack at 1020fps in the winter.
If you plan on loading for thick air there are charts online.
How did these perform at range? Can't find the follow up video.
Watch out with that stuffed animal filler. It looks like Dacron, which can gum up a silencer even if it leaves the barrel clean. Most centerfire silencers don’t come apart to clean, so they can become dangerous. With the right powder, filler isn’t necessary at all; especially with Trailboss. I use Titegroup without filler or opening the flash holes. Most of the case is empty, but it isn’t position sensitive so is very consistent.
May I ask the amount of grains of titegroup are you using
@@gregorybanks5092 for 308 I use 215 grain hard cast bullets with 7.2 grains of titegroup, and they go about 1050 fps.
Any particular caliber. Shoulders aren't greatest. Thank you for your help
The problem I have when I clean the brass, is that there is always some corn cob stuck in the flash hole. How do you deal with that problem? Why don’t you do a video about what happens when you reload a rifle round and tumbling media remains/lodged in the brass. How it effects pressure, accuracy, and how likely it is to blow up the gun. You make awesome videos and I'm most grateful for all the work you do.😊
I always take a paper clip and poke it out
Is that a corn dog?
I've loaded 450bushmaster with trail boss starting load 8.5 to 12grains 250gr speer good accuracy and quiet
Does commercial subsonic ammo have filler in the shells? Or do they use a different propellant that fills the shell chamber for their ammo? Just curious as to whether you know!
They use trailboss. No need for filler.
Your formula is a bit different than mine. Like you mentioned, I also use Trail Boss, open up the flash hole. However I use a CCI Large Rifle Magnum primer, without using a packing material. Prior to switching to the CCI mag primer I got some annoying variances shot-shot. And a good bit more fouling than I would like. But once I switched; I have yet to see anything more consistent.
The Way Of MGTOW good idea!....I get great accuracy with the 700x and I forgot to mention I also take a bit of sizing lube and run it around the base of the bullet before I seat just to make sure it gets out the barrel!
Cremp the fire out of the case....should help your stdev.
So no wod then? I read it is dangerous not to use a filler.
Redot/Prom works just as well.
**Hey Mr Joe* how can I buy some of your ammo??
Brother love your video, thinking seriously to reload!
Thanks so much for the info and guidance!
Just picture that drill bit snapping off and the busted end going in your hand Ouch! Maybe a small drill press would be better.
I can't tell you how many times ive done thinking I learned my lesson from it the last time. lesson is use a clamp or press.
I am trying to safely reload subsonic for my 300WM using 190 Accubond. My gunsmith said to be careful because too little powder could blow up the gun. Is that correct? I want to use Trail Boss for the powder. A friend suggested trying 9 to 11 grains of Trail Boss. Safety is my main concern.
Ron A,
Too much /little of the wrong powder May cause a problem.
But even too little of the correct powder won't do any more than stick a bullet in the bore.
Now, firing another round with an obstructed bore Will be a problem.
The same with double charging a case with a load that's only safe with a single loading.
Ocassionally a reloader may throw around the term "SEE" in a vain or misdirected attempt to seem educated. At least two major powder manufacturing companies have tried to reproduce this, all to naught. The exception to this is only when they double or triple charged a case with the supposed load (ie: instead of the 5.0 grains the handloader swears he loaded, the powder co. loads 10.0 and up to 15.0 grains of powder X). Once a gun is destroyed, it's difficult to reconstruct how he managed it. In almost every case, the reloader dis-assembles the remaining cases, and, no surprise, all have the correct amount of powder, "proving" that the case that blew up the gun Must have been correct also and could not possibly have been overcharged.
Each kernel /grain of powder produces a certain amount of energy. The less kernels the less energy. To the point where not enough energy is produced to push the bullet from the muzzle. Whether the primer flame burns from the powder base towards the front or flashes over the powder column, it still remains there is only one way for the pressure to escape: towards the muzzle.
A firearm designed to operate at 62,000 psi ( and proof tested at 80,000 psi ) would be hard pressed to self destruct at 8,000 psi with 3.5 grains of a ( correct ) powder ...
Thank you. So what would you recommend for bench and maybe long range. Been looking at savage fcp sr 6mm or 6.5 and stealth. Thank you for your help. I reload but only pistol right now. I really like reloading.
Kimber Cowboy I would start with rem7 or any model savage. They both have a big after market base. You can always upgrade the barrels when you got the cash. I'm a big fan of tikka myself. The actions are smooth as glass and really accurate. They are pretty popular in aftermarket world to.
I just went to that site and they were out if every 308 round!!
1/3/2023
Great vid
Can you use the filler on 223 as well..? If so how much you recomend..?
Awesome info and video.
Hey. Good job. What is recoil like with muzzlebrake on bolt as I was going to pick up 6.5 or 6 creedmoore. Thank you for the video
Hi mark...recoil is similar to a .243. I do not have a 6.5 gas gun but I've shot them before. Recoil is a little more noticeable on gas in my opinion....more like a .308. Thanks for watching
Did to get to shoot these?
I can find your shooting video
What is teddybear filler? Just simple cotton?
dacron. In pillows too.
First I've heard of American reloading.. ordered 1k of boolits. Hopefully seconds are good..
Talk to your realtors and get a clause put in the purchase contracts...
So whats the load data and how'd they shoot?
Great vid!!!!
Check out Lapua 200gr FMJBT subsonic bullets.
Subscribed!
My question was about the safety of light loads.My gunsmith said to be careful because too little powder could blow up the gun. Is that correct?
With rifle powder or slow burning powder that is truth. Research the subject
Ron A,
No, this is a urban ( reloaders ) myth. Fun to pass on as if we know something another doesn't, but not true.
Many have tried to reproduce this after a handloader wrecks his rifle ( NEVER with a handgun, this should provide a clue ) claiming he charged, say ten cases with a certain lite charge, and nine fired fine ( or so it's claimed ) and the tenth blew up. The mere mention of the guy having inadvertently double charging that case is seldon offered as a cause.
There was an article in PRECISION SHOOTING magazine ( can't remember the title nor author ) that delved into this phenomenon ( as it was consistantly labeled at the time this was actively discussed ) where possible causes of too much pressure destroyed a rifle. Labs at powder manufacturers tried to recreate this using the same criteria the handloader "claimed" he used, all to no detriment. The charges were actually gradually reduced untill the bullet failed to exit / stuck in the bore. Naturally the lab made sure to visually and physically check the bore, something a shooter may do religiously the first number of firings but once the load proves safe this practice is neglected and evenually dropped. The labs were unable to reproduce this phenomenon. A bullet obstructed in the bore with the next round ( or two or more ? ) fired may cause problems. Nevermind the guy who unknowingly double or ( dare i say, triple charges a case with fast burning pistol powder, or the Wrong powder ! ) How many will admit to self-idiocracy ?
Each kernel of powder has a certain amount of powder it can produce. A case that can safely hold a fifty grain load will be safe with a five grain load ( of a different powder ! ). It Cannot produce more pressure if the case it is contained in is the same volume.
The claim that the primer flame flashes over the powder and burns from the bullet towards the case head thereby increasing pressure ( with a subsonic powder charge ) beyond what a proofload produces boggles my mind. All things being equal, less powder produces less pressure. More powder produces more pressure.
I was wrong once, so i have been wrong. But since reloading from the early '90s and shootin many lite loads ( sticking cast and jacketed bullets in revolvers as well as rifles ) i've never blown up a firearm nor case. I don't consider myself a Christopher Columbus, but at the same time not the timid fools standing on the dock jeering and fortelling doom to anyone sailing into uncharted waters. I will follow others and so far have returned safe. Take responsibility for Your actions ( or lack thereof ).
@@johnthreesixteen5643 jo
Any 223 / 5.56 Recipes?
I'm from the future.. covid 19 happened and the law maker's forgot all about the hearing protection act.
Is there a range report video
Do you drill out all of your brass?
++++ on american reloading they're great
Thanks
I am a fellow reloader, but all factory ammo isn’t crap.
Why would anyone try to load match grade, Sub sonic ammo?. It drops about 1 Ft below muzzle at 100 yds. Sighted at 50 yds 1 ft at a 150 yds. Paper punching? Hunting? loaded with a 30-30 bullet, might expand at 100 Yds at 800 Fps
I guess you've never heard of hunting quietly without causing hearing damage.
@@charlesmiller7848 Only if you use a suppressor. I started hunting at around 10-12 when I got an airgun, and was allowed to roam the woods on my own
Do not capitulate to these people do not make it easy for them let them know that they're unwanted if you move next to a shooting range expect to hear gunshots if you move next to a farm you should expect to smell cow s*** don't give these people an inch
I totally don't get why you would make 308 subs, that's what 300blk is for.
How comes people don’t like to share load data? I’m just getting into this game and I’m having trouble getting information.
Cause you load at your own risk..
Buy a reloading manual and check powder company data..
because you can use the same
powder
bullets
case
primer
and use a different gun and have totally different results,
then turn around and sue this guy because you got injured.
Stopped watching after drilling out the flash hole. A real rookie move and using Trail Boss there is no need to increase the flash
I don't think he is very clued up on ballistics.
Can this be accomplished with just magnum primers and not drilling the flash hole?
Andy Meresse yes. Drilling the flash hole is really not worth the time it takes. I use large magnum rifle primers for subsonic 308 with trail boss powder and it works just fine.
R1Flem thank you
Speed ahead 5 years and poof can't get trail boss... hmm now what?
Common sense solution? Get a load of this optimist.
"I'm sure our representatives will come up with a common-sense solution."
"Common-sense gun control" has been the problem all along.
Talk about misplaced faith...
What you should have done was take the money from the trust set up, the money for the tax stamp, the money for the silencer, and get 10 other people to do the same. You would then have a good chunk of change, hand it over to the gun range to help their defense and show support.
When was the last time that your representatives did anything right?
But I can see what your trying to do.
Why would anybody help you when you need some help?