I'd definitely watch. I'm loading up some low recoil ammo for my granddaughter. I think the sub sonic rounds might be even better. She shoots my 6.5 grendel but I have more 308 rifles than ding else.
The biggest question is what is the lethality range and accuracy at various distances 50y, 100y, 200y for subsonic .308 ammo. Also it's max range without the need of a 5 foot holdover.
225gn FMJ, with trail boss. from memory 2 ft hold at 100m or there abouts. biggest problem is they go straight through an animal even a hollow point won't mushroom. the expanding blackout round is an exception
When hand loading for subsonic loads I am assuming that it is better to go to the heaviest (possible) grain bullet> rather than reducing grains of powder used on lighter bullets.
Would like to see you do more testing with the subsonic:) I know it has been done on other guns but not the short RA. I had to put a brake/flash hider on mine(223) because of the short barrel and the large amount of flash it produces especially on hog hunts at night. Even during the day it is very noticable. Great compact gun. WM
How far will the subs go? Have you seen the Hatsan in .30 cal? It seems airguns are outranging subs for distance and kinetic energy...very interesting. Thanks for sharing.
The hornady sub-x 190gr bullets are out for loading now... load em up in a .308 case and its just as viable as using the same round in 300blk.... and man do those bullets tear shit up
I'd like to see the video. Im moving to a state where suppressors are legal to buy and was trying to find that exact video to see if id like to get one.
Bullets sounded transonic, you need to shoot at 800fps or below for true subsonic quietness and accuracy, the transonic speed range is bad for accuracy, you need to be well in the supersonic or well in the subsonic range.
Notice any buildup in your suppressor with Trail Boss? I've loaded plenty of pistol calibers up with Trail Boss and in my 300Blk I use A1680 but I only shoot that through a pistol can and notice some powder and crud occasionally. Didn't know if the full power stuff blows any of that additional debris out or not. Curiosity had just kind of peaked my interest since I want to start handloading some subsonic .308 for use through my sealed rifle cans.
Allot of those where def going sonic or at the very least where going on the higher end of the transonic range. If you can keep them just outside of the transonic range and use slugs that are as heavy as possible like 300grain if you can find them that is the best for accuracy and also for the sound from what I understand. Do you have a way to measure your bullet speed?
You sure the first shots arnt just suppressor pop think they do that the first shots without a wipe. You also need a good spotter with a spotter scope to watch the vapor trail and correct you in till you get it dialed in
New Sub here. What I see so far I like so keep it up:) Wonder how the subsonic would compare to the full load with the supressor??? Would you even need a supressor with subsonic? I bought the Ruger American Ranch 556/223 and I am impressed. I'm saving for the same in 308 cause I like the compactness and it is a great gun. Keep up the great vids and looking forward to catching up on your previous ones. WM
Subsonic 308 does not make any sense unless you're using bullets that are heavier than 250 grains. If you're going to shoot 220 grains just below subsonic, you should use 300 aac. 300 Blackout is a much lighter gun. 220 going just below subsonic is the same regardless if is 300 aac or 308 win.... or 45 acp.
@KeystoneCarry ammunition is a lot more expensive than guns. I would suggest buying another gun... or 5 ... okay, no more than 20... i promise 😂 What I'm saying above, is that they need to make subsonic 308 heavier than 250 grains. There's no reason not to.
I am thinking of buying this same rifle (though a different stock and glass) and I was curious does PA have a magazine cap limit or is there another reason you don't use larger magazines? Does it have to specifically be a short stroke mag?
No mag capacity restrictions on manually loaded firearms. Five round mags are all I have right now or I would run 10 round mags often. This stock is designed for 308 length calibers. 6.5 creedmoor would work too.
@@KeystoneCarry Sure, but you can find 25 rnd AI pattern mags at Brownells or MagWarehouse (or where ever you like to shop for such things) In the previous vid where you detailed the build you seemed to be lamenting that you couldn't get high round magazines for the rifle. Or did I mis-interpret that? Ironically, I have an MVP in .223 that I prefer to run 10 and 20 round mags through but my local shops never seem to have anything but 30s :)
@@macewen1 At the time of this video being shot I only knew of 10 round magazines. If there are others I will absolutely look into them. I just personally didn't know they existed. My Sig 716 uses SR25 mags in 20 and 25 round capacity which to me is great. Usually for my bolt gun I don't care about large round counts
Love the 308 caliber, but in a PR, subsonic is a bit of a waste. More a range toy for grins and giggles. Enter the 300 Blackout and it's home run. My AR-10 is a dream to shoot suppressed, but when slow and quiet is the call, it's a single shot, while the 300 is fully functional. There's no real advantage to a subsonic 308. For all you get, go 300 Black.
@@waynehankinson8210 You're right, I had not heard of the RFB 308. Are you implying that the RFB will cycle a subsonic 308? I would not think so, but I can't know everything. My point remains that the 300 Black is a better platform for a 30 cal subsonic and it will function normally.
Okay.. so when he was messing with the suppressor it looked like it wasn’t torqued tight.. it was moving when he was messing with the cover he has on it. I don’t know much about suppressors but shouldn’t they not move? Can someone help me out?
I like to casually search and assess around me, constantly looking for foes whilst working the action. It offers me time in the event of a counter attack and ensures I look operator as I prepare my counter attack. Great question.
Ok for people actually wondering this I reload these rounds and didn’t want to lose my brass from the subsonic loads. I already took the time to trim and resize them and I didn’t want to lose them lol
I run a silencerco Omega 30 caliber suppressor currently. It is probably the most popular silencer in production. Very robust, very quiet. I will be purchasing a Dead Air Silencer in the very near future as well. They make some awesome stuff.
Interesting, but why interfere with the sound level comparison by playing that annoying and intrusive music in the background to distract from the demonstration? Had to give a dislike because of it.
I agree. When you're demonstrating a subsonic vs supersonic round with a suppressor. Why in the world would you put music in the background. Makes literally no sense.
Would love to see a full length video on subsonic. 308, including your load data. Thx
I would definitely be interested in the accuracy and ballistic data for subsonic 308 rounds.
We're about to do this with .308, 6.5 and .300 lol Was expensive getting the ammo
The ultimate backyard squirrel gun.
Have you tried heavy for caliber subsonic loads? 220 grain bullet hand loads perhaps?
I'd definitely watch. I'm loading up some low recoil ammo for my granddaughter. I think the sub sonic rounds might be even better. She shoots my 6.5 grendel but I have more 308 rifles than ding else.
This video didnt quantify the loudness of the sound, you have to use a sound pressure level meter
Man love the intro and that rifle 🔥🔥🔥
I will bring it with when I come to Ohio next. I’ll bring some subsonic ammo too. It’s too fun haha
The biggest question is what is the lethality range and accuracy at various distances 50y, 100y, 200y for subsonic .308 ammo. Also it's max range without the need of a 5 foot holdover.
225gn FMJ, with trail boss.
from memory 2 ft hold at 100m or there abouts.
biggest problem is they go straight through an animal
even a hollow point won't mushroom.
the expanding blackout round is an exception
Paint the extractor rim and you don´t have to check where they land ;)
Definitely would love to see full video subsonic ammo
Please do the 308 video! My husband and I are very interested. Thanks!
Please, I would love to see more on subsonic .308!!!
When hand loading for subsonic loads I am assuming that it is better to go to the heaviest (possible) grain bullet> rather than reducing grains of powder used on lighter bullets.
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Love that rifle and setup. Do you have any issues with barrel heating up? With the suppressor that is. Thanks.
Would like to see you do more testing with the subsonic:)
I know it has been done on other guns but not the short RA. I had to put a brake/flash hider on mine(223) because of the short barrel and the large amount of flash it produces especially on hog hunts at night. Even during the day it is very noticable.
Great compact gun.
WM
Great video! Good info! I have a sig 716g2 with a srd762 suppressor. Never been shot. I need to hit the range soon!
lol I don't think I've ever seen anyone look at where the casing goes when it's extracted
My zero is on 50 meters and the overhold is about 1,43 meters at 202 meters and 315m/sec
Yes! do that video! and more videos!! Also when is this ammo available to buy?
I only reload it for myself so unfortunately it wont be for sale. I can tease everyone with it though! Lol
You should mix the ammo up in a mag and play roulette on which one is about to be fired
Trying to find right mix for .308 M1a with my leatherwood scope to keep neighbors from bitchin
How far will the subs go? Have you seen the Hatsan in .30 cal? It seems airguns are outranging subs for distance and kinetic energy...very interesting. Thanks for sharing.
The hornady sub-x 190gr bullets are out for loading now... load em up in a .308 case and its just as viable as using the same round in 300blk.... and man do those bullets tear shit up
Would a bigger can make a difference in the sound with the full loads? Thanks.
I'd like to see the video. Im moving to a state where suppressors are legal to buy and was trying to find that exact video to see if id like to get one.
Thanks for sharing another would be great
Guessing we never got that subsonic video?
Bullets sounded transonic, you need to shoot at 800fps or below for true subsonic quietness and accuracy, the transonic speed range is bad for accuracy, you need to be well in the supersonic or well in the subsonic range.
is the sub sonic a real pilot!!! can you kill something like a regular .308 win?
Notice any buildup in your suppressor with Trail Boss? I've loaded plenty of pistol calibers up with Trail Boss and in my 300Blk I use A1680 but I only shoot that through a pistol can and notice some powder and crud occasionally. Didn't know if the full power stuff blows any of that additional debris out or not. Curiosity had just kind of peaked my interest since I want to start handloading some subsonic .308 for use through my sealed rifle cans.
@KeystoneCarry how did you get the muzzle brake off?
Allot of those where def going sonic or at the very least where going on the higher end of the transonic range.
If you can keep them just outside of the transonic range and use slugs that are as heavy as possible like 300grain if you can find them that is the best for accuracy and also for the sound from what I understand.
Do you have a way to measure your bullet speed?
Sub sonic 308 will be very interesting
Great vid
Love the dangerous but good merch!
You sure the first shots arnt just suppressor pop think they do that the first shots without a wipe. You also need a good spotter with a spotter scope to watch the vapor trail and correct you in till you get it dialed in
What kind of sub sonic or are they your loads ? Thanks for the video
New Sub here. What I see so far I like so keep it up:)
Wonder how the subsonic would compare to the full load with the supressor???
Would you even need a supressor with subsonic?
I bought the Ruger American Ranch 556/223 and I am impressed. I'm saving for the same in 308 cause I like the compactness and it is a great gun.
Keep up the great vids and looking forward to catching up on your previous ones.
WM
The sub 308 won’t do any better than say a sub 300 Black. It uses a substantially smaller platform.
All Things Tactical A point which I will discuss in the future video! I plan to cover all of that. Thanks!
A new cartridge coming soon 8.6Creed launching 155gr bullets at 2400fps and 300gr subs it’s a good read look up the info you’ll like it.
Would like to see more sub-sonic testing .. maybe in ballistic gel would be awesome to see as well .. good video
Yes 308 is my new round yes I want to see it
Yes please 😎
I’ll get on it!
Krass was das mit Schalldämpfer ausmacht leiser als ein 22lfb ohne Dämpfer geil
I’m interested in sub 308 at two three hundred yards for hogs
Have you tried this? If so, how did it work? Sounds like a great idea!!
Fine if you want a 5 foot holdover.
A 308 subsonic is only a little more powerful than a 45 acp from a pistol.
I want to hear about subsonic 308
Subsonic 308 does not make any sense unless you're using bullets that are heavier than 250 grains.
If you're going to shoot 220 grains just below subsonic, you should use 300 aac.
300 Blackout is a much lighter gun.
220 going just below subsonic is the same regardless if is 300 aac or 308 win.... or 45 acp.
What if the only 30 cal gun you have is a bolt action 308? What should those people do if they just want to plink with subsonic ammo?
@KeystoneCarry ammunition is a lot more expensive than guns. I would suggest buying another gun... or 5 ... okay, no more than 20... i promise 😂
What I'm saying above, is that they need to make subsonic 308 heavier than 250 grains. There's no reason not to.
I am thinking of buying this same rifle (though a different stock and glass) and I was curious does PA have a magazine cap limit or is there another reason you don't use larger magazines? Does it have to specifically be a short stroke mag?
No mag capacity restrictions on manually loaded firearms. Five round mags are all I have right now or I would run 10 round mags often. This stock is designed for 308 length calibers. 6.5 creedmoor would work too.
@@KeystoneCarry Sure, but you can find 25 rnd AI pattern mags at Brownells or MagWarehouse (or where ever you like to shop for such things) In the previous vid where you detailed the build you seemed to be lamenting that you couldn't get high round magazines for the rifle. Or did I mis-interpret that? Ironically, I have an MVP in .223 that I prefer to run 10 and 20 round mags through but my local shops never seem to have anything but 30s :)
@@macewen1 At the time of this video being shot I only knew of 10 round magazines. If there are others I will absolutely look into them. I just personally didn't know they existed. My Sig 716 uses SR25 mags in 20 and 25 round capacity which to me is great. Usually for my bolt gun I don't care about large round counts
@@KeystoneCarry gotcha!
Really you don't need to use subsonic ammo have you tried using a SilencerCo Harvester 338 Lapua Big Bore silencer on a 308?
Love the 308 caliber, but in a PR, subsonic is a bit of a waste. More a range toy for grins and giggles. Enter the 300 Blackout and it's home run. My AR-10 is a dream to shoot suppressed, but when slow and quiet is the call, it's a single shot, while the 300 is fully functional. There's no real advantage to a subsonic 308. For all you get, go 300 Black.
I guess you never heard of the Kel-Tec RFB 308 semi-auto.
@@waynehankinson8210 You're right, I had not heard of the RFB 308. Are you implying that the RFB will cycle a subsonic 308? I would not think so, but I can't know everything. My point remains that the 300 Black is a better platform for a 30 cal subsonic and it will function normally.
In my 308 with 175 subs I have to come up 4mills to be on @ 100 vs my supersonic 175 loads.
Great video!
Random, but what song is used for your intro?
Okay.. so when he was messing with the suppressor it looked like it wasn’t torqued tight.. it was moving when he was messing with the cover he has on it. I don’t know much about suppressors but shouldn’t they not move? Can someone help me out?
Yeah, it was not mounted properly.
I would like to see that video please
what scope are you using?
300blkout or 30b subsonic for hogs? Which would be better?
If they're both shooting the same bullet weight at the same velocity, you're not going to see any difference over one round or the other.
You may have answered this already but why are you watching the brass come out when running the bolt? What are you looking for?
I like to casually search and assess around me, constantly looking for foes whilst working the action. It offers me time in the event of a counter attack and ensures I look operator as I prepare my counter attack. Great question.
Ok for people actually wondering this I reload these rounds and didn’t want to lose my brass from the subsonic loads. I already took the time to trim and resize them and I didn’t want to lose them lol
KeystoneCarry that makes sense
I do the same with my reloads. I look for brass imperfections. It's quality control that will save your rifle.
Do the test!
What can cover is that?
Make a new video
Please do ss video
Is this hearing safe without a suppressor as well?
No 😂
Papau Team: Not if you aim carefully.
Please make another video. Is sub sonic viable up to 500 yards?
Surely you’re joking? Trajectory like a rainbow.
Only if you are firing straight down
A subsonic 308 has similar trajectory and energy as a light 45 acp from a pistol.
My 308 175 gr is very quiet an deadly to 200 yards
Anthony Barker hand load?
DUDE! EARPRO!
very interested
have you thought about selling your hats? it looks really nice
I’ve thought about it but figured id wait till a lot of people ask. I wasn’t sure if anyone would actually want one haha
@@KeystoneCarry well id buy one!
I second that. Cool hat. I’d buy one.
Yes pls
Check my vids. I have an accuracy video up now.
Is the sub sonic something you can by or was that something you made
Both
Suppressor info? Looking for one to put on my Socom 16
I run a silencerco Omega 30 caliber suppressor currently. It is probably the most popular silencer in production. Very robust, very quiet. I will be purchasing a Dead Air Silencer in the very near future as well. They make some awesome stuff.
@@KeystoneCarry do either allow longer tubes to be able to add more baffles?
Most accurate Ammo?
What HeatShield you have on this silencer?
Check out Weka suppressor covers. Not expensive but do the job well!!
That's SilencerCo's suppressor cover.
Does the barrel touch with the can and bipod?
J762Texan No it is 100% free floated. There is a massive gap between the barrel and the stock. It is actually quite impressive.
@@KeystoneCarry thanks, I have a dead air sandman s that's pretty heavy just curious thanks again keep up the good work
Mmm that rifles sexy that sound is sexier just bought Ruger American and looking to get the magpul stock soon
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Interesting, but why interfere with the sound level comparison by playing that annoying and intrusive music in the background to distract from the demonstration? Had to give a dislike because of it.
I agree. When you're demonstrating a subsonic vs supersonic round with a suppressor. Why in the world would you put music in the background. Makes literally no sense.
Why the fuck do I have to live in the UK...
Remember first round crack with suppressors.
burning the oxygen out of the barrel & suppressor makes a lil extra noise on that first one
@@909Thumper909 Exactly !
@@909Thumper909 could you burn the oxygen out with a cigarette lighter beforehand?
@@rob6850 I'd imagine so; never tried it. Might make a nice experimentation vid.
Can I get past first 30 seconds of your video that background noise is very annoying
There are those who don't think you should have such a weapon. After all you don't need that type of a gun to kill a deer. Lol.
MM it would help quite a lot to kill a deer in fact, especially if you miss the first shot.
very interested