Ah I have seen the comments and I realize the guy with the hat is a shill and was in on the whole thing haha Thanks! What an episode! I HOPE this isn't true but the theory really makes sense. What are your thoughts? Woof woof! If you enjoyed this video then please SUBSCRIBE to the channel www.youtube.com/@TheCosmicWonder SOCIALS Insta: instagram.com/cosmicwonderofficial/ Twitter: twitter.com/Cosmicwonderyt Personal insta: instagram.com/cosmicwarren
This episode went all minority report on us: destiny/predetermination/fate versus free will/choice, can you summarily judge and harshly punish a person for the terrible heinous crimes that they MIGHT commit in a POSSIBLE future, by a VARIANT version of themselves? gg no re, once again i truly loved this episode, i hate having to wait until next week to see next episode....loved 1893 Chicago World Fair settings/design!!! Finally paid off the full version of the post-credit scene from Ant Man and the Wasp: Quantumania!!! You can perceive how unsure, nervous, uncertain Victor Timely is of himself and the world around him, genius yes but he is also very lonely, afraid of attachment to others...quite the doubting thomas if you will believe....what a performance by Jonathan Majors....clear difference in the delineations between Victor Timely, He Who Remains, Rama-Tut, Scarlet Centurion, Immortus, and of course KANG THE CONQUEROR....all variants of NATHANIEL RICHARDS!!!! P.S. what's the secret about Ravonna Renslayer does Miss Minutes know? Any theories yet?!!!!
Warren, Victor Timely didn't give the money to the man at the bar because he is nice. The guy at the bar was paid for starting a bidding war. Victor Timely is a scam artist.
Here's a wild theory, so far off the mark it might as well land two universes away: what if Victor Timely is the Kang from Ant Man 3? Maybe, luckily, he landed in the right time era, killed the real Victor Timely, somehow managed to get the scar off his face(because he has that technology), and is just putting on this nice guy act in order to get back to the TVA. I do think the way he speaks is forced, like he is trying to adopt another persona.
Jonathan Majors is a talented actor. The last scene of him pleading Sylvie not to kill him, was really an emotional moment. I really don't want Kang to be recasted in the MCU. This episode was proof that he was born to play Kang. Best episode of the show so far, excited for more!
actually victor and the other bidder were partners. victor signaled him to stop bidding only so the other bidder can offer more. thats why he gave him some money
Obi is AI. But he gave Obi a body. Which is why Ms Minutes brought it up in the first place. Obi never sleeps and performs specific tasks, which is basically keeping the TVA running. He who remains created Obi and Miss minutes for specific roles. But he also ensured that neither could work to overthrow him. He gave miss minutes the abilities to evolve, which is why he never gave it a body because it would basically be Ultron. He gave Obi a body because of the role it played but he never gave it the ability to evolve like Miss Minutes.
Similar to Mysterio putting on a show for the first half of Far from Home. This could be same thing Victor Timely putting a great act to fool everyone.
Victor is he who remains as a kid. Let me explain. The kid was on the main timeline when he got the book. The only other kang that was on the main timeline was he who remains the other kangs are cut off from the main timeline so the only version he could give the book to on the main timeline is a younger him. Once the young kid got the book it created a branch timeline. Thats why when they went to the world fair it said branch timeline but when the boy got the book in said main timeline. He who remains knew they was going to need his temporary orale to save the TVA once his death. So he gave the TVA some Help by created A variant to help.
@@MyDeerocnah none of it makes sense. Nathaniel Richards is NOT from the past so there has to be a plot twist, however, HWR is not a Kang variant in the comics so maybe they're doing something different just for him even tho he told Loki his background story which was only identical to the comics. My guess is that the reason why a new branch was created is because this specific variant is taking a different role so it created an alternate reality but I don't think so. I believe it's Kang that's manipulating reality. He's the original creator of the tva and not HWR hence the Kang statue in the past
@@mathenisthe look is because he wasn’t looking for a partner he was looking for a girl shit just wanted him for the come up to power not him showed her hand way to early
I believe it’s possible that not all of Kang’s variants are bad. Victor Timely clearly displayed a level of humanity throughout the episode. And I could hear it in his voice as he pleaded with Sylvie to spare him his life. That either means that Jonathan Majors is an even better actor than I thought, or Victor is legitimately a good person
Right. I think Victor is just like the Kang variant they first met at the End of Time. He wasn’t evil like the other Kang variants, but he just did what he had to do to keep the other more vicious Kang variants at bay.
U mfs are cute. Timely screams Kang crazy. Everything about him is Kang but no, it's just a disguise. He's hiding and fooling everybody. It's in the comics so look it up
I'm worried it may be a ruse by Victor. There was enough time after HWR'S death for an alternative timeline Kang to go back & explain to Victor that he needed to pretend he knew nothing when everyone came looking for him. I'm afraid Victor may be evil.
Wow!! This episode was awesome! I freaking LOVE Jonathan Majors!! This whole episode was chaos!! I find Victor Timely very cool and interesting!! He definitely doesn’t have the sense of knowledge, confidence and power like He who remains and the other Kang from Ant man 3 that do. It was really cool and satisfying for me to see the full scene in this episode that was used for the 2nd post credit scene in ant man 3!! Man the cast of this show is off the charts phenomenal!! I’m very interested and excited to see Victor Timely in the TVA! I did not expect to see Miss minutes go full on psycho and crazy on Victor Timely!! I was getting some Agents of shield vibes and age of Ultron vibes when she mentioned her wanting a body. Thank god He who remains didn’t make a body for her!! With her abilities she would’ve been a menace to the multiverse!!
Ms minutes is Renslayer’s subconscious in AI form from her original version as a teacher. Victor timely is going to repair the time loom and Ms minutes will finally get her body in joining Renslayer’s subconscious
I think Miss Minutes is the big bad of this season. And simply because of her feelings for Kang. I think she'd rather destroy the TVA if she can't have him than to find his replacement and not have his love. I also think that He Who Remains, Miss Minutes, OB and Ravonna ate the 4 "time keepers" and I think Miss Minutes is the reason Ravonna was memory wiped and treated like a tva agent. OB was just made to believe that he's purpose is to maintain the inner workers of the TVA as he has done for eons now.
Love this episode! Reinslayer and Miss Minutes looks to restore He who Remains. I wonder if OB is the secret villain. My show prediction was Loki would use He who Remains to take control of the timelines and the incursions going on. But after I saw this i think Victor will be a good guy for the rest of the way but..if we learned Kang already he doesn't trust no one but himself. I think OB might be the bad but shout out to Reinslayer's actress for her performance. Can't wait for next week's episode
Victor Timely was paying the guy at the bar for helping him drive up the price on his machine by inflating the bidding. He wasn’t being nice / generous.
He who remains knows everything in the multiverse. He sent them to deliver the tva book to Timely because he knew the loom would break and Timely would know how to rebuild it. He has probably done all the scenarios and figured the best way to return would be to ensure the loom is fixed so he can be born. OR HWR had this variant placed here and had his mind erased.
Negative. Timely is not a variant!!!! It's just a disguise. That's why it's so interesting because if u know who timely is from the comics u can already see where this is going. Also, Kang prime is the master of time. He knows everything because he's literally been to every point in time. HWR was the time keeper so he should know as well. There's gonna be a plot twist to all of this for sure
Ob's first reaction was to prune the extra timelines tho. He's only retrofitting the loom because everyone was against it because of the lives already established
I really enjoyed this episode and I really liked Jonathan Majors in this episode, it's super cool seeing him play all these different versions of Kang who are all completely different, and Jonathan Majors nails it! Cannot wait to see what happens next!
Awesome Video Warren!!! I LOVED THIS EPISODE SOOOOOO MUCH!!!!!! This is My Favorite Episode of the Season so far and Probably One of my Favorite Episodes of The Whole Show! It had Everything! More of Loki and Mobius being The Best Duo ever, Miss Minutes being the most terrifying thing in The MCU 😂 And Jonathan Majors was Fantastic as Victor Timely! I really hope He Remains as Kang in The MCU! I LOVE THIS SHOW SOOOOOO MUCH!!!!!! FOR ALL TIME ALWAYS!!!!!! Woof Woof!
Thank god this is a show not a movie. Its hard to tell who is good and who is bad. Cant wait for episode 4. It looks like Loki has become much bigger character than Iron man and Captain America was.
I don’t think OB is specifically a bad guy. I just believe that he’s trying to help the multiverse without killing trillions of people just like Loki and Mobius. I could be wrong tho. Only time will tell.
I want mcu explain this more in episodes. Because all of us so much confused what is going on. Because we can only suggest the theory and not actual facts.
You misread that scene at the bar. Timely game him the money because he was in on the scam. His job was to counter offer the other guy to get the price up then let the other guy “win” the auction. It’s a classic auction tactic to raise the price of so ething
It was another one of the best episode so far... specially Miss minutes part (Victor timely literally got scared, when he got seduce by Miss Minutes) 😂😅
Nathaniel Richards (Kang-Prime) is from the 31st-century. We have to ask: how did a CHILD variant of Nathaniel Richards get planted in the Sacred Timeline, 1860s? He Who Remains had to put him there. Does He Who Remains want to restart from an innocent place? Not all Nathaniel Richards' variants are KANG-VARIANTS. You can kind of lump all his variants into two groups: 1) variants of Nathaniel Richards AFTER he discovers the Time Platform = Kang Variants. 2) variants of Nathaniel Richards BEFORE he discovers the Time Platform (i.e., before he became or sought to become Kang). An example of this in the comics would be Iron Lad.
That handbook make Timely's life a branched timeline. Remember that too... Soooo...Vic IS a Kang variant...jus 1 w/a good heart, til he sees what he's been seeing in his dreams...
I have no theories regarding this second season of Loki, but I am enjoying the channels I follow on here theorising and speculating for me. I was initially worried about this season because both the writer and sole-director of Season 1 moved on to other things; this season, though, has looked so good, felt so new and different and shows how good Marvel TV should be…
'He who remains' is doing exactly what he said in S1final_ep, i.e. travelling through multiverse and sharing technology with his variants. And this is what is supposed to result in multiversal war as 'He who remains', explained us.
I have this weird idea that each time the multiverse starts up again the TVA jumps technologically. It could explain the difference in tech for the "old" TVA and the memory and décor wipe. Perhaps its just one in many loops of technological advancement, using the time loom as a scalable yet infinite power source. Timely's machine seems to be the original prototype for it. The new secret weapon could be an even better version of the power core Kang got sucked into, expanded on by the "more" advanced tech of the current TVA (over Kangs previous TVA tech core) I dont even know if that makes sense
I have a distinct feeling that they are going to plant the seeds of Ravonna being the true Kang, or at least create that option in case Majors' case goes awry.
If the TVA is destroyed. Cassy becomes O.B ; has all the knowledge memorized. Miss Minutes is Renslayer Sylvie is collected again, sent on her mission to ensure this all happens again. once Victor timely is made the timeline is pruned to ensure another "Kang" can't be made and Victor is stuck at the end of time because he can't make a branch if he never interacts with the outside world. But what is he making ?
So I think “he who remains” visited OB before he died to tell him the plan. Going with your theory of they may have been very close before maybe kang thought he could still trust and have the loyalty from OB but the same way He who remains felt eons of loneliness ruling over the timelines and not having ravonna, he caused OB to face eons of loneliness when all he wanted was his friend which gives him his motive to betray he who remains!
I have a wild theory. So what if Kang Prime from Antman made this plan, and because he can transfer his consciousness to his other variants, He who remains could think he came up with it to bring himself back, but he will end up bringing back the extremely shrunk down Prime Kang from Quantumania. I only think this because the statue in the lobby is not of he who remains its of prime Kang or wherever we're calling him.
You didn’t get the scene with the man who was outbid. Victor Timely put money in the hat bc that man was part of the con by timely to raise the price of the bidding. Timely is a smart con-man. He didn’t feel sorry for that guy 😂 he paid the guy for his part. Also Timely is not a nice guy because he literally distanced himself from Ranslayer after she said partnership. He doesn’t want partners. He has a plan to control time/multiverse alone. He is not a good man.
By that logic, all variants are bad because they lie to get what they want and they don’t trust anyone. You don’t just trust people just because they show up with a smile. This is MCU Timely not comic book Timely.
Wow simply just wow bro you are doing a wonderful thing by making this video and telling about the loki session 2 episode 3 breakdown of victor timely timeline and keep it up and keep up the good work as always and take care Keep smiling always
You missed one thing. Time is like water. It passes through a person much like a river passes through a metal ring. Time corrodes and ages people like the river corrodes and ages the metal ring. He who remains simply stayed at a place where time never got to him. Thus not aging him at all. The concept of Kang, according to the MCU, is that one consciousness of Kang is spread throughout the timeline, untill that Kang reaches to a point in their timeline where technology is advanced enough to create the TVA and especially the Loom. There are many such timelines woven by the loom. Anywhere there was a nexus event, the TVA pruned it before it spawn a whole new world, i.e., crossed the threshold. Once that is crossed, actual lives are at stake. So all of the Kangs are a version across one timeline introduced by "He who remains". Now that the branches have spawned out. The other versions od Kang with similar tech will emerge, like the post credits scene in Quantumania. They are together now, but soon won't be. And we will then find "He who remains" again.
The whole consciousness transfer is too big of an idea for them to bring in right now. A variant isn’t necessarily a problem just bc they exist. for example Loki only got pulled by the TVA once he used the Teseract in EndGame not when he was born. Same with Sylvie. Think about the TVAs purpose, prune branch timelines (unknowingly) to prevent other kangs from appearing. This variant doesn’t cause a branch timeline simply by existing but only after the TVA handbook is given to him. He very well could have possibly existed and been no problem. Part of the reason the sacred timeline is sacred is bc a variant exists that is too early in time (limited tech) and is a perfect variant to replicate yourself with. Creating a permanent loop transferring knowledge through time in order to prepare him for the role. What I see being the problem is this loop is largely supported by OB as the constant. If this were to change his loop would fall apart.
I definitely think Timely is good. And I think there won’t be an iron lad, but an adult version of iron lad that’ll help fight in the Kang Dynasty on the avengers side
Very good episode that is when the story starts after 2 episodes of set up. Love Majors' Performance and the way they progress the story. Can't wait for the rest and hope to get Hemsworth's Thor.
This is one of the greatest episodes so far for the season. Johnathan Majors still manages to deliver a stellar performance whenever he's on screen and he isn't pulling any punches.
I don’t think OB Is bad necessarily but maybe a means to an end for the bigger picture. Victor Timely I’m not sure If he’s good or not but the point Is 31st century ain’t 1893 so of course this Is a variant branched from the sacred timeline of course so this can only lead to chaos. Would love to see Kang from Antman
i love that loki sort of does what wandavision did for me as far getting me excited from week to week and speculating and watching theory videos on yt and whatnot. i’ve missed this feeling in the mcu
I think he who remains not created the tva. Because when he explain about his story he says his variant live on earth in 31'st century. So he have advance technology so he can build tva easily. After that probably he who remains take control the TVA and killed all his variants and maintain as a scared timeline. In loki season 2 victor timely exist in 1800's. So he doesn't have advance technology so he cannot build the TVA. So probably the victor timely is he who remains in future.
Kang could have used OB to create the TVA, then wiped his mind to be just the "repair guy." OB seemed genuinely confused that he needed someone else's temporal aura to fix the loom.
He didn’t feel sorry for the guy, the guy was his partner in the con to raise the bidding. When Loki calls him a confidence trickster, it only makes it more clear. He who remains could be Victor. He Who Remains said it was one of his variants in the 31st century, not him. That sounds sort of similar to victor not being able to exactly create the things from the book because the technology of the time isn’t advanced enough yet. I think giving the guidebook to victor as a child could be a plan to set himself in a different direction. He’s had eons to think about how differently he would do things and work out this plan to better himself in this next version.
I believe that season 2 is a Grandfather Clock Paradox where Ouroborus created the Renslayer (Terminatrix) effect and Kang created Miss. Minutes. The temporal loom is jammed not only because Ouroborus has been stuck there in the T.V.A. without confirmation of creating the guidebook... but also because Miss Minutes seeks to be a singularity as do the variants Renslayer (Terminatrix) and Mobius. Mobius (McDonald's) Jack theory would be kind of cool to create extra continuity to the branched timeline visits.
I agree with everything you just said but I have one question, didn't He Who Remains said not every version of himself was so pure of heart and Clearly victor timely is still a variant of kang so he could be bad but I could be wrong and I probably am wrong because Victor Timely did seem very kind and innocent. But will see
the scene where they were bidding for his machine. The only reason Victor gave the guy some money and put it under his hat, was because he wanted a higher price or get more money for the machine. so, he told that guy to bid higher than others to increase the price, in return, victor was giving him some money. Which is used more often in the real world. He created demand thus the supply would increase in value. That's why the price went from $500 to $1,000.
Appearance number uno and right now I already feel bad for Victor Timely. Imagine you were just minding your own business living your life and then you come across some people who either want to kidnap, kill, or seduce you when you haven't even done anything to them
What if he who remains is just a front because the kang variant you hear on the recording in the war room talks totally different than victor timely and he who remains + in the ending of season 1 he who remains said he was being candid like someone didn’t want him to know what was going to happen we know that everyone in the tva had their memory wiped but that alone is not enough to make them believe that they were made by the time keepers to serve a purpose maybe he who remains got his mind wiped and was made to believe that he’s the guy that created the tva so i actually think that he who remains and victor timely are the same person but are like a puppet for the kang behind the screens
The gentleman at the bar was Victor timely's partner it was a con that they were putting on to get the other guy to bid more money The reason he gave him money secretly at the bar was cuz he was paying them off for doing his job with Victor
Pretty sure victor was working with that man at the bar he slipped money to. They seemed like they have done that before to raise up the price during the auction!
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Ah I have seen the comments and I realize the guy with the hat is a shill and was in on the whole thing haha Thanks!
What an episode! I HOPE this isn't true but the theory really makes sense. What are your thoughts? Woof woof!
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This episode went all minority report on us: destiny/predetermination/fate versus free will/choice, can you summarily judge and harshly punish a person for the terrible heinous crimes that they MIGHT commit in a POSSIBLE future, by a VARIANT version of themselves? gg no re, once again i truly loved this episode, i hate having to wait until next week to see next episode....loved 1893 Chicago World Fair settings/design!!!
Finally paid off the full version of the post-credit scene from Ant Man and the Wasp: Quantumania!!!
You can perceive how unsure, nervous, uncertain Victor Timely is of himself and the world around him, genius yes but he is also very lonely, afraid of attachment to others...quite the doubting thomas if you will believe....what a performance by Jonathan Majors....clear difference in the delineations between Victor Timely, He Who Remains, Rama-Tut, Scarlet Centurion, Immortus, and of course KANG THE CONQUEROR....all variants of NATHANIEL RICHARDS!!!!
P.S. what's the secret about Ravonna Renslayer does Miss Minutes know? Any theories yet?!!!!
Victor Timely: Dreamer, Inventor, Innovator, Loner, Luminary, Disruptor, Visionary with a quivering persona and quavering voice.
@@Reddy315 Theory: the branch time lime, Victory replaced Tesla.
Warren, Victor Timely didn't give the money to the man at the bar because he is nice. The guy at the bar was paid for starting a bidding war. Victor Timely is a scam artist.
Here's a wild theory, so far off the mark it might as well land two universes away: what if Victor Timely is the Kang from Ant Man 3? Maybe, luckily, he landed in the right time era, killed the real Victor Timely, somehow managed to get the scar off his face(because he has that technology), and is just putting on this nice guy act in order to get back to the TVA. I do think the way he speaks is forced, like he is trying to adopt another persona.
Jonathan Majors is a talented actor. The last scene of him pleading Sylvie not to kill him, was really an emotional moment. I really don't want Kang to be recasted in the MCU. This episode was proof that he was born to play Kang. Best episode of the show so far, excited for more!
Technically he was playing Victor, not Kang
@@aidenemerson670Bro same persons 😂. Their actual name is different but the common name is kang 😂.
Completely Agree! This Episode was Amazing!!!
Lol he didn’t give the guy at the bar money because he felt bad. He was apart of the hustle 😂
that's what I was thinking too lol
Exactly 😂
Exactly! Stopped watching this video right when the presenter said that, implying he didn't understand the hustle 😂🤦♂️
I didn't notice this until I read this comment
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He didn't give the other bidder money because he felt bad. Victor gave him some money for starting a bidding war.
ya, that guy was part of the grift. I can see CW getting scammed and even after it's obvious he thinks "aww look how nice he is" LoL
actually victor and the other bidder were partners. victor signaled him to stop bidding only so the other bidder can offer more. thats why he gave him some money
Obi is AI. But he gave Obi a body. Which is why Ms Minutes brought it up in the first place. Obi never sleeps and performs specific tasks, which is basically keeping the TVA running. He who remains created Obi and Miss minutes for specific roles. But he also ensured that neither could work to overthrow him. He gave miss minutes the abilities to evolve, which is why he never gave it a body because it would basically be Ultron. He gave Obi a body because of the role it played but he never gave it the ability to evolve like Miss Minutes.
Best theory yet
Love this
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Love this theory
I fully believe Renslayer is the Kang variant of the timeline they are on… the same way Sylvie is a female Loki variant.
Yo you just blew my mind that’s gotta be %100 true I was confused why her and Kang started not to vibe at the end
No
Lmao no
No , she’s his lover .
Well that could be true becos sylvie said to Renslayer that " .........Thats what you want . A seat at the end of Time" .
This would be very interesting but I think Victor truly is Kang just waiting for the right time to strike
yea, there is a moment in the episode where he gives Ravonna sly look on the boat, totally felt like a Kang in disguise.
Similar to Mysterio putting on a show for the first half of Far from Home. This could be same thing Victor Timely putting a great act to fool everyone.
Victor is he who remains as a kid. Let me explain. The kid was on the main timeline when he got the book. The only other kang that was on the main timeline was he who remains the other kangs are cut off from the main timeline so the only version he could give the book to on the main timeline is a younger him. Once the young kid got the book it created a branch timeline. Thats why when they went to the world fair it said branch timeline but when the boy got the book in said main timeline. He who remains knew they was going to need his temporary orale to save the TVA once his death. So he gave the TVA some Help by created A variant to help.
@@MyDeerocnah none of it makes sense. Nathaniel Richards is NOT from the past so there has to be a plot twist, however, HWR is not a Kang variant in the comics so maybe they're doing something different just for him even tho he told Loki his background story which was only identical to the comics. My guess is that the reason why a new branch was created is because this specific variant is taking a different role so it created an alternate reality but I don't think so. I believe it's Kang that's manipulating reality. He's the original creator of the tva and not HWR hence the Kang statue in the past
@@mathenisthe look is because he wasn’t looking for a partner he was looking for a girl shit just wanted him for the come up to power not him showed her hand way to early
I believe it’s possible that not all of Kang’s variants are bad. Victor Timely clearly displayed a level of humanity throughout the episode. And I could hear it in his voice as he pleaded with Sylvie to spare him his life. That either means that Jonathan Majors is an even better actor than I thought, or Victor is legitimately a good person
Right. I think Victor is just like the Kang variant they first met at the End of Time. He wasn’t evil like the other Kang variants, but he just did what he had to do to keep the other more vicious Kang variants at bay.
U mfs are cute. Timely screams Kang crazy. Everything about him is Kang but no, it's just a disguise. He's hiding and fooling everybody. It's in the comics so look it up
Not all his variants are bad. One of his variants becomes Iron Lad, a variant with an iron man like suit that helps stop Kang.
I'm worried it may be a ruse by Victor. There was enough time after HWR'S death for an alternative timeline Kang to go back & explain to Victor that he needed to pretend he knew nothing when everyone came looking for him. I'm afraid Victor may be evil.
@@unculturedswine9984well becuz it's the MCU, they could change it but I'm thinking the same thing too. Victor is Kang just putting on an act
Wow!! This episode was awesome! I freaking LOVE Jonathan Majors!! This whole episode was chaos!! I find Victor Timely very cool and interesting!! He definitely doesn’t have the sense of knowledge, confidence and power like He who remains and the other Kang from Ant man 3 that do. It was really cool and satisfying for me to see the full scene in this episode that was used for the 2nd post credit scene in ant man 3!! Man the cast of this show is off the charts phenomenal!! I’m very interested and excited to see Victor Timely in the TVA! I did not expect to see Miss minutes go full on psycho and crazy on Victor Timely!! I was getting some Agents of shield vibes and age of Ultron vibes when she mentioned her wanting a body. Thank god He who remains didn’t make a body for her!! With her abilities she would’ve been a menace to the multiverse!!
This was by far the best episode so far.
Wait for episode 4 it's the best as per the reviews of episode 1 to 4
Ms minutes is Renslayer’s subconscious in AI form from her original version as a teacher. Victor timely is going to repair the time loom and Ms minutes will finally get her body in joining Renslayer’s subconscious
That would b tuff
He didn’t pay the guy at the bar because he felt bad. The guy worked with him to drive the bidding price up. He got paid his cut.
I think Miss Minutes is the big bad of this season. And simply because of her feelings for Kang. I think she'd rather destroy the TVA if she can't have him than to find his replacement and not have his love. I also think that He Who Remains, Miss Minutes, OB and Ravonna ate the 4 "time keepers" and I think Miss Minutes is the reason Ravonna was memory wiped and treated like a tva agent. OB was just made to believe that he's purpose is to maintain the inner workers of the TVA as he has done for eons now.
5:25 I really like this part of the theory because that means it keeps us hooked instead of us being able to figure it out easily
I’ve also had the thought that Renslayer is a female variant of Kang and miss minutes reveals this to her and accelerates the war coming into fruition
Love this episode! Reinslayer and Miss Minutes looks to restore He who Remains. I wonder if OB is the secret villain. My show prediction was Loki would use He who Remains to take control of the timelines and the incursions going on. But after I saw this i think Victor will be a good guy for the rest of the way but..if we learned Kang already he doesn't trust no one but himself. I think OB might be the bad but shout out to Reinslayer's actress for her performance. Can't wait for next week's episode
Victor Timely was paying the guy at the bar for helping him drive up the price on his machine by inflating the bidding. He wasn’t being nice / generous.
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He who remains knows everything in the multiverse. He sent them to deliver the tva book to Timely because he knew the loom would break and Timely would know how to rebuild it. He has probably done all the scenarios and figured the best way to return would be to ensure the loom is fixed so he can be born. OR HWR had this variant placed here and had his mind erased.
Negative. Timely is not a variant!!!! It's just a disguise. That's why it's so interesting because if u know who timely is from the comics u can already see where this is going. Also, Kang prime is the master of time. He knows everything because he's literally been to every point in time. HWR was the time keeper so he should know as well. There's gonna be a plot twist to all of this for sure
Victor timely is a lovable Kang variant
What took you so long? - Miss minutes
2:43 I actually like that their origins are different so the show is not painfully predictable
the craziest and most chaotic episode yet but we all know the 4th episodes tend to be the best!
Ob's first reaction was to prune the extra timelines tho. He's only retrofitting the loom because everyone was against it because of the lives already established
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I dont think he was helping that guy who got out bid he was simply doing a scammer move by having that guy up the bid so the guy would pay more.
He was not feeling sorry for the other bidder… the other bidder was working for him to hike up the bud.
I really enjoyed this episode and I really liked Jonathan Majors in this episode, it's super cool seeing him play all these different versions of Kang who are all completely different, and Jonathan Majors nails it! Cannot wait to see what happens next!
Awesome Video Warren!!! I LOVED THIS EPISODE SOOOOOO MUCH!!!!!!
This is My Favorite Episode of the Season so far and Probably One of my Favorite Episodes of The Whole Show! It had Everything! More of Loki and Mobius being The Best Duo ever, Miss Minutes being the most terrifying thing in The MCU 😂
And Jonathan Majors was Fantastic as Victor Timely!
I really hope He Remains as Kang in The MCU! I LOVE THIS SHOW SOOOOOO MUCH!!!!!!
FOR ALL TIME ALWAYS!!!!!! Woof Woof!
The interaction between OB and Victor T. will be interesting for sure!
More excited than ever!!
Miss minutes is Revonna and Revonna is he who remains Sophie.
When he gave the guy at the bar money, and a pat on the back it's because they were working together to drive up the price on his janky invention 😂
Thank god this is a show not a movie. Its hard to tell who is good and who is bad. Cant wait for episode 4. It looks like Loki has become much bigger character than Iron man and Captain America was.
I don’t think OB is specifically a bad guy. I just believe that he’s trying to help the multiverse without killing trillions of people just like Loki and Mobius. I could be wrong tho. Only time will tell.
However, it would be unexpected for this actor to play a villian.
He's Kang and Loki knows it.."He's a trickster"and when he said Wisconsin was the giveaway
I want mcu explain this more in episodes. Because all of us so much confused what is going on. Because we can only suggest the theory and not actual facts.
You misread that scene at the bar. Timely game him the money because he was in on the scam. His job was to counter offer the other guy to get the price up then let the other guy “win” the auction. It’s a classic auction tactic to raise the price of so ething
It was another one of the best episode so far... specially Miss minutes part (Victor timely literally got scared, when he got seduce by Miss Minutes) 😂😅
Wow that’s wild I never thought about that but what a wild twist that would be.
Nathaniel Richards (Kang-Prime) is from the 31st-century. We have to ask: how did a CHILD variant of Nathaniel Richards get planted in the Sacred Timeline, 1860s? He Who Remains had to put him there.
Does He Who Remains want to restart from an innocent place? Not all Nathaniel Richards' variants are KANG-VARIANTS. You can kind of lump all his variants into two groups:
1) variants of Nathaniel Richards AFTER he discovers the Time Platform = Kang Variants.
2) variants of Nathaniel Richards BEFORE he discovers the Time Platform (i.e., before he became or sought to become Kang). An example of this in the comics would be Iron Lad.
Anyone else think that the Baldur statue might be foreshadowing a heroic Loki?
That handbook make Timely's life a branched timeline. Remember that too...
Soooo...Vic IS a Kang variant...jus 1 w/a good heart, til he sees what he's been seeing in his dreams...
I have no theories regarding this second season of Loki, but I am enjoying the channels I follow on here theorising and speculating for me.
I was initially worried about this season because both the writer and sole-director of Season 1 moved on to other things; this season, though, has looked so good, felt so new and different and shows how good Marvel TV should be…
I think OB is a robot. Artificial intelligence like miss minutes. Part of Kang’s technology
'He who remains' is doing exactly what he said in S1final_ep, i.e. travelling through multiverse and sharing technology with his variants.
And this is what is supposed to result in multiversal war as 'He who remains', explained us.
Now the dude who he slipped money too under the hat at the bar, was getting paid for being part of the conn... he ran the price up lol
I have this weird idea that each time the multiverse starts up again the TVA jumps technologically. It could explain the difference in tech for the "old" TVA and the memory and décor wipe. Perhaps its just one in many loops of technological advancement, using the time loom as a scalable yet infinite power source. Timely's machine seems to be the original prototype for it. The new secret weapon could be an even better version of the power core Kang got sucked into, expanded on by the "more" advanced tech of the current TVA (over Kangs previous TVA tech core)
I dont even know if that makes sense
Thanks for the breakdown. I haven't seen it yet, but I will.
Victor Timely: Dreamer, Inventor, Innovator, Loner, Luminary, Disruptor, Visionary with a quivering persona and quavering voice.
I think OB created the tva and when kang took over ,he erased that part of OB's memory and then put him in charge of repairs.
I don't think OB is a villian, I think he was plucked from time like all the TVA agents for their skills and part of his plan.
He didn't give that guy money because he felt bad. He did it because he's part of the con. Drive up interest and price
I have a distinct feeling that they are going to plant the seeds of Ravonna being the true Kang, or at least create that option in case Majors' case goes awry.
I heard someone talking about this theory earlier this week. It would be an insane twist!
I like OB. I hope he isn't bad.
Timely did the one thing he who remains could not. Talk Sylphy into not killing him.
I've wondered since the 1st episode if OB was bad or at least helping Kang. Very interesting possible twist.
Find OB in the timeline and learn his background. His position is important to Victory Timely in order to meet.
If the TVA is destroyed. Cassy becomes O.B ; has all the knowledge memorized.
Miss Minutes is Renslayer
Sylvie is collected again, sent on her mission to ensure this all happens again. once Victor timely is made the timeline is pruned to ensure another "Kang" can't be made and Victor is stuck at the end of time because he can't make a branch if he never interacts with the outside world. But what is he making ?
Ummmm Timely didnt give the guy a 20 out of the kindness of his heart, it was a scam to raise the bid. Thats why he hid the bill under the hat
I could see he Victor really being helpful and is def on the good side of things. Not all the kangs are bad
Have you heard of Iron Lad he turns out to be a good variant that helps fight his future variant.
So I think “he who remains” visited OB before he died to tell him the plan. Going with your theory of they may have been very close before maybe kang thought he could still trust and have the loyalty from OB but the same way He who remains felt eons of loneliness ruling over the timelines and not having ravonna, he caused OB to face eons of loneliness when all he wanted was his friend which gives him his motive to betray he who remains!
I’m loving the way the show is going so far and I have very high hopes for the rest of it
What if ..He had to hide his younger self from it's normal place to protect himself from other variants killing his younger self?
Great video . I like your theory but I doubt OB will be the villain , however ... I guess we will just have to wait an find out 😊
O.B will upload he who remains consciousness into Victor Timely’s body that’s why the temporalora has to match. He who remains planed it all out.
I have a wild theory.
So what if Kang Prime from Antman made this plan, and because he can transfer his consciousness to his other variants,
He who remains could think he came up with it to bring himself back, but he will end up bringing back the extremely shrunk down Prime Kang from Quantumania.
I only think this because the statue in the lobby is not of he who remains its of prime Kang or wherever we're calling him.
Great episode
I knew OB was up to something 🙌🏾 I felt it in my bones
You didn’t get the scene with the man who was outbid. Victor Timely put money in the hat bc that man was part of the con by timely to raise the price of the bidding. Timely is a smart con-man. He didn’t feel sorry for that guy 😂 he paid the guy for his part.
Also Timely is not a nice guy because he literally distanced himself from Ranslayer after she said partnership. He doesn’t want partners. He has a plan to control time/multiverse alone. He is not a good man.
And here I thought I was the only one that realized that that guy was probably a shill!
By that logic, all variants are bad because they lie to get what they want and they don’t trust anyone.
You don’t just trust people just because they show up with a smile. This is MCU Timely not comic book Timely.
Kang, HWM, Timely....ALL hustlers spitting GAME!!! He knows EXACTLY what he's doin...hustlin EVERYBODY!!!
Watch what I say....
Wow simply just wow bro you are doing a wonderful thing by making this video and telling about the loki session 2 episode 3 breakdown of victor timely timeline and keep it up and keep up the good work as always and take care
Keep smiling always
I can't wait for episode 4! I'm glad i gave this show a chance instead of judging it.
I had thought O.B. was put there like a breadcrumb from HWR since the 1st episode this season
I like it when a variant of a bad guy can be a good guy.
You missed one thing. Time is like water. It passes through a person much like a river passes through a metal ring. Time corrodes and ages people like the river corrodes and ages the metal ring. He who remains simply stayed at a place where time never got to him. Thus not aging him at all. The concept of Kang, according to the MCU, is that one consciousness of Kang is spread throughout the timeline, untill that Kang reaches to a point in their timeline where technology is advanced enough to create the TVA and especially the Loom. There are many such timelines woven by the loom. Anywhere there was a nexus event, the TVA pruned it before it spawn a whole new world, i.e., crossed the threshold. Once that is crossed, actual lives are at stake. So all of the Kangs are a version across one timeline introduced by "He who remains". Now that the branches have spawned out. The other versions od Kang with similar tech will emerge, like the post credits scene in Quantumania. They are together now, but soon won't be. And we will then find "He who remains" again.
The whole consciousness transfer is too big of an idea for them to bring in right now.
A variant isn’t necessarily a problem just bc they exist. for example Loki only got pulled by the TVA once he used the Teseract in EndGame not when he was born. Same with Sylvie.
Think about the TVAs purpose, prune
branch timelines (unknowingly) to prevent other kangs from appearing. This variant doesn’t cause a branch timeline simply by existing but only after the TVA handbook is given to him. He very well could have possibly existed and been no problem.
Part of the reason the sacred timeline is sacred is bc a variant exists that is too early in time (limited tech) and is a perfect variant to replicate yourself with. Creating a permanent loop transferring knowledge through time in order to prepare him for the role.
What I see being the problem is this loop is largely supported by OB as the constant. If this were to change his loop would fall apart.
I definitely think Timely is good. And I think there won’t be an iron lad, but an adult version of iron lad that’ll help fight in the Kang Dynasty on the avengers side
Very good episode that is when the story starts after 2 episodes of set up. Love Majors' Performance and the way they progress the story. Can't wait for the rest and hope to get Hemsworth's Thor.
This is one of the greatest episodes so far for the season. Johnathan Majors still manages to deliver a stellar performance whenever he's on screen and he isn't pulling any punches.
I don’t think OB Is bad necessarily but maybe a means to an end for the bigger picture. Victor Timely I’m not sure If he’s good or not but the point Is 31st century ain’t 1893 so of course this Is a variant branched from the sacred timeline of course so this can only lead to chaos. Would love to see Kang from Antman
i love that loki sort of does what wandavision did for me as far getting me excited from week to week and speculating and watching theory videos on yt and whatnot. i’ve missed this feeling in the mcu
did i win something?
I think he might be a bad guy too. Something tells me since he’s so dedicated to the TVA he would choose kangs side when the time comes
I hope they keep this quality of story telling up
That would be a big swerve. That would be quite interesting. I think if that happens it could potentially change things.
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I think he who remains not created the tva. Because when he explain about his story he says his variant live on earth in 31'st century. So he have advance technology so he can build tva easily. After that probably he who remains take control the TVA and killed all his variants and maintain as a scared timeline. In loki season 2 victor timely exist in 1800's. So he doesn't have advance technology so he cannot build the TVA. So probably the victor timely is he who remains in future.
Casey has the manual memorized OBs picture is in the manual and yet Casey doesn’t immediately recognize his hero. Bad writing bro
Kang could have used OB to create the TVA, then wiped his mind to be just the "repair guy." OB seemed genuinely confused that he needed someone else's temporal aura to fix the loom.
I think the guy at the bar was just running up the price . He was just getting his cut
He didn’t feel sorry for the guy, the guy was his partner in the con to raise the bidding. When Loki calls him a confidence trickster, it only makes it more clear. He who remains could be Victor. He Who Remains said it was one of his variants in the 31st century, not him. That sounds sort of similar to victor not being able to exactly create the things from the book because the technology of the time isn’t advanced enough yet. I think giving the guidebook to victor as a child could be a plan to set himself in a different direction. He’s had eons to think about how differently he would do things and work out this plan to better himself in this next version.
You're completely misreading the 'man at the bar' scene imo. He was working with Victor, jacking up the bid. The money under the hat was his cut.
I believe that season 2 is a Grandfather Clock Paradox where Ouroborus created the Renslayer (Terminatrix) effect and Kang created Miss. Minutes.
The temporal loom is jammed not only because Ouroborus has been stuck there in the T.V.A. without confirmation of creating the guidebook... but also because Miss Minutes seeks to be a singularity as do the variants Renslayer (Terminatrix) and Mobius.
Mobius (McDonald's) Jack theory would be kind of cool to create extra continuity to the branched timeline visits.
I agree with everything you just said but I have one question, didn't He Who Remains said not every version of himself was so pure of heart and Clearly victor timely is still a variant of kang so he could be bad but I could be wrong and I probably am wrong because Victor Timely did seem very kind and innocent. But will see
Episode three was so good, it had so many surprises, the music was great, etc.
the scene where they were bidding for his machine. The only reason Victor gave the guy some money and put it under his hat, was because he wanted a higher price or get more money for the machine. so, he told that guy to bid higher than others to increase the price, in return, victor was giving him some money. Which is used more often in the real world. He created demand thus the supply would increase in value. That's why the price went from $500 to $1,000.
Appearance number uno and right now I already feel bad for Victor Timely. Imagine you were just minding your own business living your life and then you come across some people who either want to kidnap, kill, or seduce you when you haven't even done anything to them
What if he who remains is just a front because the kang variant you hear on the recording in the war room talks totally different than victor timely and he who remains + in the ending of season 1 he who remains said he was being candid like someone didn’t want him to know what was going to happen we know that everyone in the tva had their memory wiped but that alone is not enough to make them believe that they were made by the time keepers to serve a purpose maybe he who remains got his mind wiped and was made to believe that he’s the guy that created the tva so i actually think that he who remains and victor timely are the same person but are like a puppet for the kang behind the screens
The gentleman at the bar was Victor timely's partner it was a con that they were putting on to get the other guy to bid more money The reason he gave him money secretly at the bar was cuz he was paying them off for doing his job with Victor
Pretty sure victor was working with that man at the bar he slipped money to. They seemed like they have done that before to raise up the price during the auction!
Loved the 3rd episode 👌