Tesla signs biggest battery contract in history - U.S. grid will be transformed
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I built a lithium battery bank for my rv. People don't realize how much better these batteries are than even AGM's.
lead is dead
Did the same thing in our boat amazing difference, and it's basically a lifetime purchase, so also, long-term cheaper. RV next, then house.
@@seekerstan Sailboat? We've done the RVing for many years now, thinking of getting a sailboat next. Would look forward to building a big battery bank for a sailboat, it's a game changer.
Very interested in doing the same with a camper I just got. Can you recommend websites to learn how to upgrade an RV's electrical and solar?
@@user-nj2vv2xm4j it will be lighter too which is important for a sailboat. Consider electric propulsion and regeneration while sailing!
The cells going forward could be a mix of various technologies so they aren’t dependent on a single chemistry for all cells.
What's incredible is that when compared to Autonomy, all other aspects of Tesla: Energy storage, Cars, Solar, Mining, Trucks, Emission credits, etc. Will be "Noise"
Supposedly.
Thank you for the informative video/information!
Renewables are pointless without storage. 25 year battery life makes alot of sence.
True
Thanks for the video Sam!!
Any time!
Your easily pleased.
@@robertfonovic3551 He makes videos on electric cars, batteries and green energy sources, that's what I'm interested in currently.. If you know any other youtubers like this, please go ahead.
Over the next half century, and assuming no other competing technology, the world will need several Terawatts (not gigawatts) of battery storage to make a serious inroad into reducing coal and oil. This bodes very well for Tesla, though electricity prices will continue to rise.
Yes, you may want to check out 'Tesla Master Plan 3' which came out in April 2023. The plan states that the world would need 240 TWh of battery storage to reach a sustainable global energy economy.
@@dwperley Hardly either a climate friendly or an elegant solution.
@@bobdeverell Thanks for the feedback. I believe Tesla Megapacks now use LFP batteries which are non-toxic and do not contain harmful heavy metals. Could you expand on what makes LFP batteries 'non-climate friendly' and 'non elegant'?. One alternative for BESS which may be more climate friendly or elegant might be sodium-ion batteries, but since use of these batteries is relatively new the long term life cycle may be less that that of LFP batteries.
@@dwperley Non climate friendly refers to the huge manufacturing and subsequent disposals this will entail for technologies that are needed because we are adopting wind and solar.
Inelegant because of the horrific scale of wasted land utilisation. I saw the acreage required but I'm sure you can find it.
Future generations will laugh at us for our folly. We know how to generate electricity efficiently. We can see what is coming over the hill. Wind and solar are temporary aberrations that will be replaced as new and less wasteful generation emerges over the next century. (Lets agree to differ).
Great work solar storage is exciting future were I live in Palm Beach county Florida, Florida power and light is blocking people from disconnecting from grid using strong arm tactics and not going full bore on solar putting a couple of small solar farms 100 acres next to freeways my son has gone into this subject last year we are one of the top states for sunshine?? Any research you can do on this I think there is a smoking gun on this company. I would it but my time is limited on research on evs
I always assumed the lack of solar arrays were due to hurricanes. However, if you travel to Cape Canaveral you see solar farms all over the nasa infrastructure so it must be politics as to why FPL is so resistant to solar.
Why don’t they put panels over the battery packs to help keep them cooler?
Good thinkin
Using solar panels to keep things cooler through shading is a perfect fit, so long as you have room for them. Since they require so little maintenance and last forever, once installed they almost can be forgotten. Even without battery these panels can directly power some fans to cool down further your RV, carport, your shed, your pergola or your whole house, extending the life or your shingles. But if you can fit that many, you can actually drive a large mini-split air conditioner using a battery less hybrid inverter. Solar panels are robust assets and often keep delivering electrical power even though they've been shattered as long as there is circuit continuity within. Together with LFP batteries they are the future of off grid autonomy, tremendous savings and respect for your environment over time, of course.
Covering the battery packs with PV panels ends up using more energy to keep the battery pack underneath cooler. Solar panels are black so they absorb light radiation, however, they only absord certain frequencies and the rest is radiated away in all directions. The area under a solar panel heats up a lot, which is why some of the more expensive high efficiency panels have active cooling (cooler panels are more efficient). The heat build up means the battery pack underneath has to work harder to exhaust its internal heat into the hotter air around it. The heat also stagnates under the cover the panels and cannot raise away as effectively via convection.
To overcome this the battery pack would need uprated fan capacity to exhaust the heat, using more energy. There would probably be no energy gain from the panels above the battery as their energy would be consumed by the increased cooling requirements. One could install tall mounting frames with sparsers tilted panels to let the battery heat disapate but the energy gain vs the cost is not significant; also this introduces maintenance concerns when working above active battery packs.
This is why battery packs are painted white, to radiate heat away, and have fan outlets on top vent to the open space above them so the hot air can be carried away by convection.
@@GruffSillyGoat I have ceiling fans to cool my solar panel if needed. One fan easily displace and prevent the heat build up over 9 panels without drawing much energy all. It should help prolonging the panel efficiency. But they can tolerate the heat without fan as is common with public school parking lots solar installations in my city.
Because its not the sun heating them..
Tesla is the only American auto maker who doesn’t need an EV incentive to be profitable. The removal of the US EV incentive will almost guarantee a Tesla monopoly in the US!
The 100% China tariff helps too
I understand Tesla gets about $10,000 tax payer dollars per car?
I hope this will give a big kick in the ass of petro-companies.
Schill for E.V. manufacturers......or anything battery.......
Great information today
Tesla just signed to beat that sizebattery project.
Jul 20, 2024 - Tesla Energy (TSLA) strikes the biggest Megapack battery energy storage deal of 15.3 GWh that will provide sustainable energy to California ...
Everyone in the world needs to watch this video. This is the world-changing information, CATL battery, Tesla contract, Trump connection, changes are happening now. Science textbook, high school teachers can no longer say to students that grid electricity is not stored in batteries significantly.
when is one of these remewable energy projects going to give us cheap reliable power, intersect supplies california which has power prices 50% higher than the average
After the revolution?😮
If you are interest in EV stocks to make $ just buy lithium / copper miners or battery makers like BYD or CATL . I made a video about this years ago and my predictions came true !
Do any of you know about FLNC. I believe it is more of a pure play on storage batteries. Comments are appreciated.
Molten salt can store a lot of power from msr
Bedankt
Pardon my ignorance, but where does the energy come to charge to these enormous battery storage mega packs?
The star.
They are meant to be charged by solar or wind generation, the power stored until needed at night or when there is no wind.
@@douglasburnside So along with these massive battery packs would a large array of solar panels?
No one should do the math. The battery size is enormous$$$$$ for most places where people live, i.e. cool/winter weather.
@mddell24 - being from a cool/cloudy/wet country (UK) comes with certain benefits, that is higher wind generating capacity (80TWh). Currently over 50% of the UK's energy is derived from renewables, a percentage that is which is increasing rapidly - coal is now insignificant and will be gone completely next year and LNG usage is dropping year on year. Last year the UK exported energy (10TWh) to Europe, as there was a surplus of capacity even with fossil fuels generating their lowest output for decades. The UKs storage battery capacity reached 3.7GW last year with a further 8GWh coming online in the next year, and plans to grow this by another 44GW capacity by 2028. The UK domestic need only requires 20 to 35GW, the UK plans to be a net exporter of renewable energy by 2030. The scale of economics for battery energy systems means it is now cheaper to install and run renewable generation with battery storage than a gas turbine plant. The target operating price for battery storage by 2028 is £22/kW/yr for a fifteen year period (which is relatively cheap in the energy world).
By 2030 autonomy will be their biggest earner
Nope, by 2030 Telsa will be the most sued company in the world, because of the fatal accidents there FSD will produce.
@@hannsmusster6919 You are probably right because the "public" and the "courts" will expect FSD to be PERFECT, which is an unattainable goal.
FSD as it stands is *probably* already SAFER than human driving, but that won't be good enough.
We tolerate the carnage on the roads because it's people killing people, if a machine glitches or miscalculates that would be unacceptable. If a drunk does it, if he has enough money he can buy his way out of it.
Humanity as a group does not make RATIONAL choices; humanity as individuals doesn't EITHER.
sorry I misspelled wealth
Good news on the technology front, TSLA is firing on all cylinders, but the stock does nothing but crash and burn
It might go up if they actually put cylinders in the cars! I predict they will try to do that before long.
Nobody trust Musk. He's Off and On like a light switch. Unstable.!
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15GW is 70% of what the whole UK uses in a year for context
5%.
UK solar max at 10GW on a sunny day. Yearly production GWH ?
GW, GWHrs. What's the diff. Who needs the complication.
Well the accountants need the complication because that is reality.
Are you going to report on the closing of Australias lithium mining businesses. , because of lack of demand.
How about the Tesla profit report?
Fortunately there are other sources of geothermal carbon-neutral lithium e.g. VUL:AX
Lack of demand or lack of high prices?
Tesla this year will produce 100 gw batteries
Nice vid Sam, lots info
The payoff is long for every installation, revenue delayed, say 80% paid in first 5 yrs, balance in 15.
Not a bad thing just important to understand it doesn't show up on the bottom line instantly.
@@Mrbfgray Nice Video ??? Lot of BUZZ words to gain attention, no real content, just to create views and money. Don't expect any real information on RUclips it's all about the Money.
@@hannsmusster6919 usefull idiots do exist.
@@hannsmusster6919 You probably don't have the attention span for quality content but there is plenty of it on YT. Larry Goldberg, Alexandra Merz, Jeff Lutz, Tasha Keeney, Tom Nash....many others.
Could be a good time to invest in BYD, CATL or LG Chem. Tesla is going to have to get the cells from somewhere. Maybe Tesla could re-direct batteries allocated for the automotive division if revenue from that division continues to tank.
LG Chem makes junk. They are the battery makers that had all those GM Bolt fires.
BYD and CATL are good though.
@@rickrutledge9363 Maybe, but they make a lot of it. Tesla needs every battery cell that they can get their hands on.
LGES is set to start producing Tesla’s 4680 battery cells in North America, specifically at its new factory in Arizona later this year. This production will supplement Tesla's in-house capabilities.
Tesla is also building a small new LFP (lithium iron phosphate) battery cell factory in Nevada, using equipment from CATL. This facility will help Tesla produce LFP batteries, which are cheaper and more stable, particularly for its energy storage products
@@-whackd The CATL cells maybe an option, but the 4680's? I don't think so. Delay after delay after delay in getting production up to speed and they're still using Noah's very own NCM chemistry which is neither cost effective nor has the potential longevity of LFP or even sodium chemistries.
I don't know how many GWh. of CATL cells that Tesla will be able to produce under license, but I'm fairly figuring that they are going to have one heck of a number on the liabilities side of the ledger for cell purchases for a long time to come.
@@davidbrayshaw3529the delays are over and don’t use NMC anymore.😊
Fantastic! For Tesla. For the US. For the world.
This is a tiny drop in the bucket that would be needed around the world to provide backup for wind and solar partial/day electric production. They will need to replace early installed packs that are losing power over time as they keep expanding out. The grid needs a complete rehaul of wiring, transformers and other power grid products to be able to handle increased power demand. Battery storage doesn't help that part of the systems.
That is all ongoing and part of planned operations. Here is the thing -- it is called Service Life. Everything on the Grid has a Service Life. Typically between 25 and 50 years. Concrete -- such as in Hydro / Dams lasts longer, but not much else does. So with a Service Life of 25 to 50 years for the rest -- that means about 2 to 4% of the overall Grid needs to be removed and replaced every year. Add some growth to that, of maybe 1 to 2%, and that is what we do. When we put in the new, it is the best available and newest technology -- at that time. But in 25 to 50 years, all of that will be outdated and replaced again. In the case of local fire, tornado, or hurricane damage, things sometimes accelerate with the repairs. It is happening all around US all the time. Chances are most of the time you do not even notice. You will probably have to get up at 6 am on a Sunday to catch us crossing a major highway with new lines. Any area that fails to stay current on Service Life risks major failures -- like PG&E did in California (ran steel brackets to 80 years) with live High Voltage lines falling and setting major forest fires. Killed people and cost Billions. Not a good look and really dumb business.
@@philtimmons722 IF the grid needs to be increased (both capacity and footprint) to handle greater electrification of everything, that is an ADDITIONAL cost over simply replacing and maintaining at the same level.
China is building renewable energy faster than the whole world put together, this battery is small compared to global needs but it's not the only one being built.
Everything here is scaleable. Time is the enemy.
@@dzcav3but EV battery vehicles become peak energy generators when they all become V2G.
Cheers mate
Don't tell the flat earthers from Sky News. They won't believe you and wouldn't understand it anyway.
Yeah , they are too busy informing the public of the total failure of renewables to power the grid , as wind output fell by 20% due to a lack of wind .
Wholesale electricity prices have skyrocketed as a result and consumers are paying the highest power prices in history.
Renewables will be unable to power the grid at any time , let alone charge up billions of dollars of batteries as well.
@@Leonardo555ZZZ It is and was gas prices that jacked up wholesale electricity prices.
@@Leonardo555ZZZ let me guess: was it Biden's fault it wasn't windy? 😂😂😂
Wind output fell because Janet Yellen instructed Australia to produce at under capacity. Overcapacity hurts productivity, she said.🎉
@@3rdrockThat was nearly 2 yrs ago. Prices are back to normal, yet the consumer is paying even more now.
If inflation continues this will mean nothing
Lets see if the US and EU gov extra tax these Chinese LFP batteries too....
Taxes on fossil fuels will increase because it leads to an increase in natural disasters that are too costly to handle. Renewable energy and batteries will become cheaper.
Hey guys, I wonder if any of you know the answer: Tony Seba is talking about energy superabundance in the future and how the cost of electricity will approach 0. Does that mean that renewable energy companies that operate wind, solar and hydro, will go bankrupt? Or will they still make healthy profits but somehow the end consumer will pay very little? How can this be reconciled? Thanks!
It's a matter of balancing generation and storage. Right now storage needs to catch up.
The monthly costs will go way down, but there will still be fixed costs to set things up. Your power bill will never go towards 0. You'll just be primarily paying for amortized fixed costs.
@@KidHorn7001 Right, but what does it mean for the companies that own and operate the power generation infrastructure? Will their profits shrink or not? I am asking from the point of view of businesses, such as Brookfield Renewable Corp., not the consumer...
Since Wind, Solar and Hydro have no associated fuel costs, the business costs will reduce to amortized capex, repairs and renewals and administrative overheads. This will result in cheaper energy costs for electricity while companies supplying that electricity will of course still make sufficient profit. Also since solar can be deployed domestically, power production companies will be in direct competition with home produced power. This will also keep costs lower as previously power companies have had virtual monopolies over a vital resource.
This is my simple minded take - renewables plus battery storage has a long way to go to fill demand - so it’s not going to go to zero for a long time yet - way beyond a decade.
This big battery project constitutes 1/5000 of US daily energy usage. (And will make Tesla 1.4B in profit)
So you can imagine how much money can be made in this battery and renewable sector across the next decade at least.
If you’re investing in any related company - chances are you have no more than a 3,5 year outlook - so demand will no where near exhaust by that time- so prices will not drop to zero by then (that’s my estimate anyway)
Does that line up with what Seba is saying?
Tesla battery factory both I'm Texas and china will produce 100 giga watts per annum
one cannot speculate what a lier means , a lier is a lier
This contract is incredibly the opposite of transformative. It is for an extention through 2030 of 15.3 Gigawatts of batteries to be provided by Tesla to another provider. Compare this tiny amount of power - by batteries which have to be charged by something; to the US Total existing grid of 4.2 Trillion killowatts - its totally nothing. That is if there is no transition to move away from fossil fuel use to an expanded grid; then it would be 15.3 Giga watts of 18 Trillion killowatts. How can less than 1/1000th of the grid be transformative; especially when even this tiny amount has to be charged by something, it may well be fossil fuel plants doing the charging.
If battery storage made economic sense. Fossil plants would invest in that without subsidies, you could charge them off peak to release on peak. It's just obviously a lot cheaper to create on demand if you can.
Thank You!
@@user-jb2om7cm8m Agreed. The million year old solar-fossil battery is strong, (CO2 excepted).
BIG elephant keeps confusing the debate - KW is not KWHr. We should never confuse apples and height.
The daily energy usage in the United States in 2023 was approximately 75,424 gigawatt-hours (GWh).
If one megapack site is 15.3GW in capacity - it provides 0.02% of the entire US daily electricity needs. So yes less than a Thousandth - but it’s okay there is plenty of room to grow. We have a state in Australia about to reach 100% Renewables - supported by Tesla megapack batteries.
For Tesla this US project is around 1.4B in profit. Teslas energy business really is a unlimited demand market.
WHAT goes into MEGA PACKS ??? Lithium
So what?
@@fredbloggs5902 because i am buying up lithium stocks
@@fredbloggs5902 i am buying lithium shares on asx
There's all kinds of alternatives, cheap and plentiful sodium is already displacing lithium, then there's vanadium flow batteries, then there's gravity batteries, etc etc..
That's why lithium prices have dropped so much.
Thanks Sam🙂.
Welcome
Tesla will make more money from battery and android technologies than cars in the very near future; both save wealthy industries more money than will be paid to Tesla for the tech so it’s a business no brainer.
Musk never agreed to EV incentives. The reason why is because it discourages Ev development reaching cost parity with ICE cars.
There are some fundamental physical realities with EVs that may be impossible to overcome.
Such as: 1 Kg of petrol has same energy as 30 Kg of batteries. ICE about 35% efficient, so 3Kg of gas = 30 Kg of battery.
This is why EVs (drone, scooters, small cars...) are practical but heavy hauling (long distance) trucking makes no sense.
And the "Charging" issue is a big problem for anything long distance. Fast charging always damages battery life.
@@mddell24 ICE aren't 35% efficient typically. Usually 16-25%. The extra weight is mostly offset by the much lighter drive train components.
Get ready for California electricity rates (~$0.50/KWH) in the rest of the US, unfortunately.
Why?
@@connclissmann6514 Because of unreliable expensive renewables and batteries.
Then you will see solar panels instead of windows, in the back yards, at parkings on roofs, everywhere. They will loose all their customers. You can make electricity at home, you can't make diesel, gasoline or gas.
@@connclissmann6514renewables 😅😅
Why you shouldn’t invest in Tesla stock
Published: Dec. 21, 2012 at 6:00 a.m. ET
By
John Shinal
Huge profit, but the workers sharing in the profit is stupid according to Sam! If your to shy or nice to request enough money to pay your a loser! anti worker, anti union, investor = money grub worm. Thanks for your wisdom Sam, anwser are you a Tesla investor?/?
Intersect Power had less than $50M in revenue in 2023, how are they going to raise the money to buy these batteries exactly without totally diluting the current sharehlders? And if Tesla is supplying the power systems then what exactly is Intersect doing that Tesla can't do without them?
There is a huge demand for these batteries in Texas and California. And government will back it
@@tireddad6541 But what is intersect bringing to the table? If the government is gonna be the buyer why doesn't Tesla just sell them to the government?
If China was allowed to get into these kinds of businesses in the US, they would easily beat Tesla but protectionism in the new "free market" and "free trade" in Western countries :)
It sounded good as long as the western countries had all the markets for themselves and wanted to get into new markets. But then competition showed up :)
It's the America Way. (Actually, it's the American Way ... or else!).
This is why Elon cozying up on Trump. Even if Elon is China's favorite billionaire today, he might end up like Jack Ma
China makes crap that randomly catches fire
Is that you JiJi Ping?
Despite all these robots attacking this story, is correct. Batteries DO reduce fossil fuel use tremendously. Hence the bots here. Big Fossil knows this is hurting them. It's already hurt them in California and Australia
Tesla is releasing big news about new graphene battery technology. Why is it not mentioned in this video? Is that news fake?
Just like most "AMAZING" new batt tech. The news is always about the advantage/s but rarely about the negatives - there are many. At some point the tech world will have had enough of the chronic hype from battery innovations. It is becoming annoying and nauseating. Every week another amazing new batt tech. The BS streams on.
The margins from selling battery storage probably worse than selling Tesla EVs. Especially when they are just reselling CATL batteries
That is for sure. Especially when Tesla seems to be getting about $10,000 taxpayer money PER car!!!
US economics look more like Communism every day, but no one says it.
Grid battery storage is a high volume mid-to-low margin business, where as home battery storage is a mid-to-low volume high margin business.
@@mddell24- government money going to a private company is "Communism"?
Teacher, please tell us more.
You're completely wrong.
@@mddell24you are so wrong ! Tesla energy credits come from business that don’t comply with c02 emission standards. Polluters Not tax payers !
Yet the stock is down today…😮
Buy the dip
Morning mate
Lets be clear. Musk is a reluctant republican supporter. The democrats have gone silly.
So silly of them to actually care about preserving our constitutional Republic when Trump is pointing the easy Putinesque way toward authoritarianism.
@@michelangelobuonarroti916Please provide your best example of your claim.
@@fredbloggs5902the IRA, Kamala,the border,the trillions in dept,the drug epidemic,the lack of prosecution of felons etc etc
@@robertfonovic3551Then why did the Republicans in the House of Representatives vote against a border bill that was draft by a fellow Republican in the Senate?
@@fredbloggs5902- you serious? You think that privately held corporation (DNC) that makes its decisions in the dark is well managed?
Hillary? Biden ?? Kamala ???
The biggest mystery is how they keep getting it more wrong every next time.
Tesla’s Profit Drops 45% As Sales Cool. July 24, 2024. Tesla’s current travails are mirrored in the broader EV market, particularly in the U.S. Electric-vehicle sales, which surged during the pandemic, have cooled recently as many Americans find them still too expensive to buy and impractical for everyday use.
Nice story
You are drinking from the wrong trough.
Hello big oil robot
@@257.4MHz dislike hearing the truth?
@@3rdrockhowever, it is factual, you are in denial.
Just consider not one of these batteries create green energy. They will definitely increase the electricity bills of utility customers.
Not one! But they do enable renewable energy to be a viable replacement to fossil fuel generation
in south Australia the grid is going to reach 100% renewables supported and stabilised by Tesla megapack. In Western Australia we are already at 40% - we’ve got rid of 1 of two coals stations and our expensive peaker plants.
So far the south Australian barter has saved the state 333 million dollars and totally eradicated blackouts which used to be a problem there - also helps led by Tesla energy bidding system.
So that would decrease electricity bills for customers.
We used to invest in a Australian leading energy bidding tech company - but Tesla software solution came and just disrupted them silently.
That’s the kind of tech smarts Tesla has - hard to compete with.
The Tesla said that the next gen megapack will removed the need for substations. That will definitely change things even more!
The Team & Musk we TRUST
Tesla needs to get into fusion energy. Solar is simply not just dense enough source of power to be able to place households and businesses off-grid and completely no longer relying on legacy energy companies/suppliers. The disruptive effect will be felt more if they’re one of the first private companies to develop and deploy workable and viable fusion reactors.
Yeah Tesla need to listen to you. A liar and nuclear puppet. Its dense enough, for 10 earths. Your just lazy.
Why do you think so? If every home would have it's own solar panels and batteries, we indeed wouldn't be needing the grid, well we would need micro grids or state-owned batteries in case of emergencies, but I feel like the modern solar panels are already good enough to live only on solar energy,, wind is also great, hopefully in the future we could harness atomic energy safely.
You can buy 5kilowatts of storage for 1000 dollars now, and you only need about 3-7 kilowatts of solar to charge and maintain loads through the day and night. 20 kw of battery is enough to be off grid with occasional generator back up,
Fusion is decades away from reality if it ever happens at all.
So it's between capturing the fusion energy of the sun and trying to store it somehow, or trying to create our own on demand,- neither of which look very feasible.
Meanwhile we already have millions of years of stored solar energy right under our noses, conveniently packaged in solid, liquid and gas states! I think It's only a matter of time before the penny drops..
We need many more large scale battery storage projects in California.
I listen to all the grand things Tesla does to defeat global warming which makes me happy, then I think how Musk is supporting a dictator, and then my mind becomes a ping pong table,.. it doesn't make sense. Jeannine
TDS
No. Now he is suporting Trump, before was suporting a dictator
It makes sense, it is just you not understanding it :-)
Dosnt suprise me . Your mind being like a ping pong table . TDS
Hi Jeanine. I have similar wrestles but try to separate my (moral) investment decisions from my repugnance for Musk's political beliefs.
Meanwhile , in the latest quarter Tesla's sales increased 2% , but profit fell by 45%.
Discounts and price cuts are increasing as demand for EV's evaporates.
The profit from EVs is only 25% of the comnpany. They introduced new model 3 and new model Y is coming in a few months. That made all the buyers to wait for the newer models. Would you buy an old model if you knew that the new much better one will come in a few months?
Big oil robots know about Sam now
Day before yesterday I was in LA talking to a guy with an ID4 with a home charger. A couple times a week he has to make side trips and will run the battery down to 20% and needs a public charger. It's a nightmare. Yes, they are all over but they're all full with a line of cars waiting, and roughly 25% of them are off line AND, the DC fast chargers that put out 350 KWH barely put out 50. Why? The local grid can't support that. That's not the EV's fault, That's the fault of the charging companies and the grid. Why do you never talk about that? Right now public charging is a joke.
Commercial property owners may be willing to install "some" chargers but they don't want to convert 100 parking spaces to public chargers that cost a fortune and don't help the businesses that parking is serving. Then there's the electrical grid in that area. It's a big mall. That mall was built with wiring suitable for a shopping mall not for charging 100 EV's or whatever. How much and how long to rewire a 3 million square foot mall and who"s paying for it? And the chargers?
Then there's a thing called private property rights. The State says install these chargers, the owner says no, it can be tied up in court for years. That's why Ford and GM did what they did. They're switching back to ICE pickups for maybe 3 years to give time for the EV charging infrastructure to catch up. Does China have that problem? No, it's a dictatorship, if the CCP wants that space for a 100 unit charging park, no problem. You're out buddy. No lawsuits, you're simply out. Look at the millions of displaced people to build the Three Gorges Dam. They had no rights yet you keep talking about how great and efficient China manufacturing is. Dictatorships are always more efficient than free countries. When you say those things you may as well be saying Communism is a better system than a democracy. Yeah, the Soviet Union was such a fine place.
Miserable comment here. Well, when Trump makes the US a dictatorship you’ll be happy? Right?
EV's can charge with a simple low cost household plug. They should make these available where you have 100+ cars to park. If its work parking and you're there for 8hrs then a 4KW plug is all you need. For all that expect complaints about charging for the next 2 decades after that it will be ICE drivers complaining of lack of petrol stations and how they now have range anxiety.
USA is the bigest part of the market but still only 15-20% of the whole market. The rest 80% develops, we can't wait for you if you don't want to follow. We spend money to increase the grid capacity, when your country and states take your taxes, your money, gives nothing back put the money in some companies' pockets and pays to advertise the next presidents.
I agree and disagree with you on some points.. I do hope that charging infrastructure will get better, and it surely will, there's no way around that.
The charging network for non-Tesla cars is indeed lacking, but my experience of the Tesla Supercharger network is flawless. I had to wait for a charger for 10 minutes only ONCE in 5 years... and that was 5 years ago!
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Bro china does bigger project than this every week
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Indeed , for your blunt sick head.
Do you Climate Cultists know how many years of MegaPack production by Tesla would be required just to meet Australia's battery back-up for CURRENT unreliable wind and solar power back-up. Current grid battery capacity provides 4 MINUTES of National Energy Market demand - 4 MINUTES
Sometimes that is all that is needed to stop the grid tripping out and it is only the start of the change, they say Rome wasnt built in a day.
It's so sad to see doomsayers like yourself, with your heads stuck in the sand.
I was gonna say the same thing. Where I live the total amount of megapacks Tesla sold last year would power our grid for just over an hour. Lets just stop messing around and start building nuclear power plants. These people are coming up with the least efficient way to produce power. You build a bunch of nuclear reactors and they are basically running 24/7 for decades at a time. Then after like 40 years you shut them down for like a year to refurbish the reactor and then fire it back up and run it for another 40 years. Once a reactor is paid off (15 or so years) its extremely cheap to run. Also the most expensive part is all the ground work and building the structures so when you do a refurbishment its not that expensive. You arent replacing any of that. You also drive down costs by building lots of reactors in one location. Bruce Power in Ontario has 8 reactors in 1 location. That provides 6.5 GW of power. They are talking about adding another 4.8 GW to the same location.. The whole site is 2200 acres. There are farms surrounding the whole area.
Get real - we plan to use Gas Peaker Turbines as the last resort backup for the Renewable Grid in Australia. The backup order is as follows in Australia - Hydro, Pumped Hydro, Grid Batteries then Gas Turbines. Batteries have a far more sophisticated role in electricity grids than simply backing up.
PS The Grid is designed by engineers not politicians so that it will deliver reliably and cost effectively.
PPS Read the AEMO ISP 2024 Roadmap and then you won't panic about batteries and worry due to not knowing what the plan is.
@@TimMountjoy-zy2fd I'm glad you agree that engineers deliver reliable and cost effective methods to supply the grid thats why engineers are implementing batteries, politicians have no choice in the decision, politicians dont do anything, engineers do
@@pin65371 Nuclear power is by far the most expensive form of electricity generation.
If you dont mind what your electricity costs then go ahead build nuclear, but if you want fast cheap electricity, it has to be renewable energy, Wind and Sunshine is free unlike Coal, Gas, Oil and Nuclear are not.
Nuclear takes decades to build and dont forget the decades to decommission, also dont forget the thousands of years of storage and security of the nuclear waste, factor that into the cost of Nuclear power
How long is twice as long? Please give time line of working live of the battery's. Six months now one year?😂
20 years.
I get curious about solar panels. It looks like the science has a few more breakthroughs to experience before people like Tesla will try to make money by promoting it.
He can’t compete with China prices.
Elon is quick to pivot. Now that his car sales are off.
I love it whe clueless people talk out their as.s. faster growing than A.I ? Lmao
My worst character defect
I believe Elon was lining up with Trump because he was convinced Trump would win against Biden. Now that Biden dropped out and Harris is showing strength in the polls, he's pulling back his enthusiasm for Trump. It's all about what is best for his business.
You really think that Elon is that cynical? You think that anything is gonna get more normal with Harris? The Elon hate will continue. Don’t be stupid
@@scottgriffin2005 Don't be so naive. Elon very much uses his business interests to guide his decisions including his political moves, as do all business elites. For example, Harris offers an olive branch, to help advance EV charging in fracture, his hate will not continue. Don’t be stupid
You really think Kamala is showing strength in the polls? Wait until she opens her mouth and all doubt will be removed.
Tesla is in renewables but musk is supporting donald Trump??
I don't get it if anyone could explain I would be glad
I can explain it. It's obvious to Musk and many people that Trump can easily be bought. Musk saw a way to gain influence and control and he took advantage of it. If the Republicans ever dump Trump (unlikely) and go back to what they used to do, nominating candidates with at least some character, then Musk would be SOL.
It’s because he’s the best candidate.
I explained it, but got deleted for criticizing the Orange one and the billionaire. Not allowed.
Republicans will pivot to alternative energy as the populist wing make a complete take over of the party and throwing away the neoconservatism old guard, you’ll see. Neocons typically support an agenda that promoted fossil fuels and that typically supported foreign policy geared toward protecting and making profits off of countries that sell and distribute fossil fuels. Since that has rapidly changed and republicans tend to support independence from foreign sources of oil, Trump will have to pay off Elon’s support by saying one thing about oil while giving Musk the edge over competition. Trump will still do the song and dance routine about drill baby drill, but he will not stop the further development by private corporations of infrastructure that supplies alternative energy, even in the off chance they do decide to end EV mandates and tax benefits. Trump will simply give Musk the benefits and advantages when it concerns developing and deploying alternative energy.
Democracy means that everyone is allowed to have their own opinion. Renewable energy is about a better future.
You are not a financial expert so. I will correct you thinking. With respect to battery storage systems, there is little technology development that is required to bring new products to market. As we say, there barriers to entry are low. In contrast, the barriers to entry for new cars are high.... Well they were for ICEs, but they are apparently much lower for EVs. Still, simple battery storage has extremely low BTE. That means margins will be low, in the long run. They are high now because demand is far exceeding supply, but because of the low BTE, new supply will come to market to meet that demand. Take for example, GE. They currently do not have a product in this space. But they will soon and they have huge resources to ramp up production and when they do the prices will fall and margins will contract. Heavily. So right now Tesla margins on these systems is around 35% I think. That could easily drop to 10% or even lower in 5 years time.
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We'll see, but Tesla's advantage is mainly in the software. I don't see how rivals can magic up world beating software quickly if they are not yet in this space.
Building batteries is obviously easy. My guess is the software Tesla has to direct the power to where and when it is needed, and most likely using AI to predict this in advance, might not be so easy. We will see. But for the home storage part of it, I would assume you are totally correct. It will end up being a low margin commodity type business.
Lots of battery manufacturers are already out there trying to make sales in this storage market. But there is something about what Tesla provides that you didn't mention: their proprietary energy storage controls. This is not just some simple switches, it is a very sophisticated hardware/software system to make the connection with energy generators and the grid run smoothly. There are numerous cases of utilities buying cheaper batteries but they have control problems. Tesla solved those problems, it just works as promised, which is why they are now getting huge orders. That's the bar that GE will have to meet, and exceed, to make any real headway in this market. They might, they might not, but they will have to prove in field installations that they are at least as good as the field-proven Tesla megapacks.
Buying Tesla stock is about the robotaxi play, which puts them in the Software as a Service category which generates unreal margins
Come on Viking, don't be an Elon and Trump apologist. It's unbecoming of someone so invested in climate change.
Speculating is called guessing in proper English. I am a full throttle Tesla enthusiast (vs. “fanboi”), but Musk is delusional in thinking trump is reliable.
Are you sure he considers Trump “reliable”?
Playing 4d chess is more about calculating the long term outcomes from each move. Don’t bet against Elon and don’t guess what each move means in the long term. 😮
Musk doesn't consider Trump to be reliable, but he does consider him to be easy to manipulate if he dangles some of his huge pile of cash in front of Trump. Trump only cares about two things, himself and money. Trump gets money, Elon gets influence on policy and control. Immoral, yes, but not difficult.
Speculating is not guessing. That’s fundamentally wrong. Speculating is educated guesswork - a vital part of capital investment
@@IverKnackerovspeculation is another word for gambling.
This RUclipsr is 100 per cent Tesla propaganda . I not loss my time see that .
You are clueless!!
Nah
I heard he has withdrawn his financial support for Trump
You're FOS.
I think its like a negotiation. Musk does not have to buy off Democrats, they already support renewables, and industry often supports paradoxically both sides of a campaign to make sure someone always owes them something. Trump loudly says he will shut down EVs, Musk loudly says hey I will donate to Trump, and Trump does not then say 'oh well, ok except Tesla or we will back down from this EV thing' then yea withdraw the deal. Trump is the biggest risk and roadblock, and a few hundred million dollars is pocket change for securing a green energy future. This is how corruption, I mean politics, works. Its just proudly in the open now?
EVs fail because the entire EV experiment was ass backwards. First, you pick a TEST AREA. THEN you improve the electrical grid.THEN you install charging stations with a SINGULAR, STANDARD CHARGING PLUG IN SAFE, MONITORED AREAS. ONLY THEN do you bring in the vehicles and TEST, TEST, TEST and improve things. You don’t build the vehicles then expect everything else to happen MAGICALLY. The entire SCHEME has been attempted ass backwards by fools and factless dream sellers. BTW, it has already been prove that IF we went completely EV FOUR YEARS AGO, IT WOULD NOT MAKE ANY NOTICEABLE DIFFERENCE IN THE ATMOSPHERIC PROJECTIONS AS OF 2100. (False Alarm, Bjorn Lomborg, 2020).
The Elon Fan boydom continues.
Conscious people understand that renewable energy will be the only source of energy in the future. The dinosaurs are stranded in the past.
I not see this RUclipsr , it is Tesla propaganda. He lie to much about Tesla .
Tesla is going down as Elon is giving more attention to right wing politics. He may be a great entrepreneur, but he politically stupid and biased.
How much is tesla paying you to promoting them. You tesla lover. pray to the musk god
Tesla shows the way to the future. The only sustainable one.
@@beehappy7797 NO!, I can say for sure one it won't be Li-Ion batteries. Is Tesla developing solid state batteries NO NO NO. The future of batteries is solid sate. In any case batteries like oil is a stop gap.Batteries only store energy they make no energy.
The new technologies are now arriving at lightspeed.
So much unsupported "opinions" it's become a joke!
ruclips.net/video/nZZH3aNl5ZE/видео.html No Need To Say More
Just buy lots of popcorn. Very interesting to experience the total collapse of the oil industry. The extinction of the dinosaurs.