If Toyota is willing to allow the consumer to actually see those panel gaps, just imagine all the hidden issues that we can't see. Is this the end of Toyota as we know it?
What an EXCELLENT POINT!!! Too bad Toyota doesn’t think like you ! Thats what happens when they change CEO. Its up to us as consumers, take your wallet & run until Toyota wises up.
@marioa2753 Moving Tacoma assembly to Mexico was the last straw. Buying a Tacoma that was built in the USA... helping a fellow American put food on the table... WAS pretty awesome.
Keep speaking the truth. I hope Toyota listens. I would say the Tundra is worse (for now) because its engines are exploding. The Tacoma was most disappointing though due to price.
my local dealership only has ONE tacoma with a blown engine waiting on a new one.just one out of maybe 20 they have sold isn't really that bad.still under warranty tho, since it is a 2024 model
I am an engineer, and when I changed jobs to the automotive industry, one of my first projects was equipment installs for parts that would end up on the 2024 Tacoma. I was coming up on needing a new vehicle, and was super excited to pick up one of the 2024 Tacomas since I had a hand in their production, as I've always liked Toyotas. I was eager for this truck the entire time I was working on the project and was even ready to settle on the turbo 4, cause I could look at the truck in my driveway and say I did a part of that. About a week ago was when I finally got my new truck. A Nissan Frontier Pro 4X. That's what I thought of the new Tacomas and their pricing.
@@theeconomist100 well it's a better truck! The new Tacoma is last for reliability and frontier is first! Just go to repair pal and check for yourself. It's facts based on repair orders. Sorry to burst your bubble.
I’ve documented my owner experience with my Tundra on my channel. It’s been nothing short of a nightmare. I finally dumped it. I tried really hard to make it work, but at the end of the day, the shortcomings were overwhelming. Keep speaking the truth! I’m trying to do my part…
I’m sorry to hear of your terrible ownership experience… don’t wish that on anyone. Appreciate you sharing your lived experience though for others to take heed. 👍
Just saying the 3rd gen frontier has a 3.8 naturally aspirated v6 with hydraulic steering still. If you gave me the choice of a 2024 Tacoma or Frontier. I would pick the frontier EVERY time without thinking twice.
I test drove a used 2023 Frontier FX4 Pro. I was very impressed. It felt larger then my sons 2019 Taco (Which I love) the Frontier had really good power, i really, really liked it. I must say I’ve had new and used Datsuns and Nissans since mid 1970’s which I enjoyed but they never were as reliable as all the Toyotas I’ve owned. So if I bought one I would hold my breath that it last with few issues
My son works as a mechanic at our local dealer and he has warned everyone he knows not to even think about getting a new Tundra or Taco. The quality and engineering is pure shit. His biggest complaint is all the plastic mechanical parts all over the truck. Parts that just a couple of years ago were all metal are now plastic. A guaranteed repair, plus they have designed the new engines to be nearly impossible for owners to do even a minor repair. Its nearly as bad for the certified mechanics.
Thanks for sharing brother. It’s a shame Fanboys will cover their ears when real mechanics are speaking about the quality of these new gen Toyotas. Manufacturers clearly don’t want owners working on their own vehicles anymore. =\
What I think will happen will be a shift from the fully padded up models to the lower trims with smaller margins. The oems and dealers have been very resistant because the higher trims fatter margins. But lot rot and increasing costs of inventory floor plans will FORCE them to change. They are clawing and kicking all the way but in the end the demand ain't their for the higher priced models.
Still don't know why toyota went all in on these high-pressure four bangers. Why not give an option on four or six cylinders. On a midsize 4x4, I would rather have a V6.
I know toyota engineers had their hands tied on what engines they could offer on the tacomas. But dropping a reliable, popular V6 motor? The Frontier or Ridgline looks more appetizing for me.
@@datdog1223 i think we are going to see frontiers and ridgelines get more expensive than they already are. I know if i wanted a small p u i would look at those before the Tacoma. Never drove the frontier but the 3.5 liter v6 in my daughter accord man that drives so smooth with very nice acceleration. hopefully Honda don't take away the v6 like they did in accord.
I got an opportunity to ride in a ridgeline with the 3.5 L. More than enough power to get around and smooth power band. The swing out tailgate option is a genius idea.
I bought a 22 Frontier Pro-4X for $41K loaded and now have almost 45,000 miles on it with not one single issue. Glad I did, and love the truck. I put my money on a solid V6.
My uncle has a 22 Frontier as well with 48k miles in it but the transmission clunked out already... He said is was made my Mercedes-Benz and they want a fuk load of money to change it out or fix it without warranty. Engine is decent on Nissan, but Nissan can never get it right with transmissions. The new Tacoma is stupid, but I still see it outlasting anything else. A friend of mine has a new GMC and that pos is worse. Electrical issues, cam phasers broke, and he broke a tie rod already 😂... I mean the tie rod could have been him, but still... if you think Toyota is bad, there's always GM 😅.
Toyota sold us out! Nissian Frontier will still offer a revamped 3.8 V-6 in 2025 and this is after the new turbo 4 cylinder comes out in their redesigned 2025 Frontier… you know why… they are giving their customers a freaking choice!!!! Toyota I have been with you since 1986 and have three Toyota’s in my garage as we speak.. 2005 4 Cylinder access cab 2 wheel drive 216,000 miles on it… 2022 TRD OFF Road Premium 10,000 miles and 2024 4 Runner TRD PRO 260 miles. I would not spend one freaking dime anymore on that junk they are rolling out to us on the production line! Keep it going UT!!! Don’t listen to anyone else on the platform of Toyota’s!!!
So true. Frontiers have been underrated and disrespected for years. The Nissan frontier is a quality product that is as good or better than the prior generation Tacoma. Now there’s no contest.
I remember when my friend purchased a new 1987 Nissan 4x4 reg cab V6 with stick...it had bucket seats and electric windows...he took me out to Crystal Lake rec area two weeks later and drove through tons of mud and it ran well for years ..150 k when he changed the clutch
@@sidallen685 So fewer trucks were recalled than were sold? If debris was causing the failures, why are they almost always at between 20k and 30k miles (aside from replacement engines). How is this debris so consistent in waiting until 20 to 30,000 miles into ownership before deciding to destroy the main bearings? Why did it take Toyota 3 model years to react and why did they exclude 2024's from the recall when there are tons of 2024's with engine failure now? Recalling half of 3rd gen Tundras doesn't exactly impress people that just bought a new Tundra or were excluded from the recall without explanantion.
I still have my 2014 Tundra V8 5.7L CrewMax 4x4. With 100k miles on her, she still running great, not a single issue. There is NO chance in hell I’m upgrading to fu-man-chundra…
Excellent comment about the look tough fad we are seeing. Too much use of cheap plastic grilles and thin dent-easy panels. Most of the trucks today could not withstand a sparrow strike, but hey, it has heated seats for those Applebee's cowboys.
Give the sales person your walk out the door $ If he or she doesn't accept it, start walking out the door. They always stop you to negotiate a better $ Especially if it's the end of the month.
I hear you for sure, 10,000-15,000 over the last model (2023). But dealerships get pretty desperate if they don't make there quota at the end of the month.
I don’t agree. Sure the uninformed are stopping purchase over price however smarter people are stopped by the crappy construction and the engine. Either way sales are slowing. My 2015 Tacoma TuRD will probably be harder to sell because of Toyotas bad reputation. It’s a good truck.
I think it’s pretty obvious the recall with the Tundra is not a factory machining mistake. It’s a design flaw with the engine itself. But they’re never going to admit to that. I think in time, these trucks are going to do more damage to the brand than they ever thought possible.
Watch all old tundras going up in price, as well as 4Runners and old tacos. If they admit there is an engine problem, imagine what’s behind the curtains. Debris in the engine, what a joke. Even if it is debris left in the engine, that’s the worse thing you can do to an engine, the irresponsibility and lack of everything regarding quality control, etc, etc,etc. so I suspect something way bigger than that.
My co-worker's husband is a master auto mechanic who has work Longo Toyota in El Monte, CA since the late 1990. Just a FYI, Longo Toyota is a member of the Penske Automotive Group and the largest Toyota dealership in the U.S. His advise to me is DO NOT BUY THE CURRENT GENERATION OF THE TACOMA WITH THE TURBO-CHARGED 4 CYLINDER!
@@17forever64 - He is "a" master mechanic in that dealership. Also, it is no big secret in that dealership. In fact, the dealership has already stop purchases of 2024 Tacoma's in excess of its 2024 allocations as they don't want to deal with the large number of Tacomas coming back with bad engine problems.
This whole Tundra engine issue is the exact reason we did a new 5th gen 4Runner this past winter versus a new Land Cruiser or waiting for a 4Runner…. Full stop. Life time Toyota guy, so when bro’s bash me for talking critically about the new turbo engines I roll my eyes. Hell, we have an old, ‘98 Avalon that runs like a top, over 200k miles, rides like new, no squeaks or rattles… that’s the shit that I loved about Toyotas, same with all of my former Land Cruisers, Tundra, FJ Cruiser…. Over it with the new stuff.
I’m right there with you brother. Just cause the new ones have a Toyota badge doesn’t mean they’re what we’ve come to love and expect from the brand. 👌
@@theeconomist100 drives like shit? Please. Go get a Lexus LS than, it’s a utilitarian vehicle. It goes to 60 in 7 and a half seconds, that’s plenty fast. This is what is ruining 4wd vehicles are these people that want the ride of cute utes and all this unneeded technology that is going to be useless and non serviceable in 10 years. I had a 100 series Land Cruiser, considered to be a pretty solid vehicle. The touch screen for the HVAC went in the fritz 6 or seven years ago and even that was not really repairable. We are blessed with endless options out there. Everyone should get a vehicle that suits them. Some of us just like simple, durable, low upkeep, well built, tough vehicles. The 5th gen has that in spades.
I just found this channel, It's a great video, I'm leasing a 2022 sport and I was looking forward to moving into a new one, now I'm thinking about buying my 22 at the end of my lease
I have some friends who have their BMW's and wonder why I have an 09 Lexus RX350. They go to the dealer to look at a trouble light, and walk out at the very least, $700 plus in the hole. Me, change the oil, brakes, tires, and I keep driving and driving. No repairs, no trouble light, knocks or clicks. Today, if your car or truck has a problem, it will cost you dearly whether it's a dealer or the one man shop down the street. I want my money in my pocket! These new cars and trucks are just a 2nd mortgage payment waiting to happen. Seems like we just lost the last car company that gave us that great product we all use to love.
They’ve been built in Mexico for decades. Sorry to point out the obvious, but all the hate on these new tacomas is completely unjustified. I bought a trd OR at $43K… that’s cheaper than my gen 3 was, and it’s a better truck in every single measurable way.
@@kevinbradley8613 The first gen Tacos were made in Fremont, California, the second gens were made there until 2010 before Taco production moved to San Antonio, Texas for the 2010 model year. The third gen Taco was the last to be made in America as they were made in Texas from 2016 until production began moving in 2020 to Mexico. The 4th gen Taco is the first to be made entirely in Mexico.
I’m a delivery driver in SoCal and see a bunch of Tacomas both new and old and I can tell you the previous gen just looks so much more stout durable compared to the new ones.
Which is the bigger turd? Tough call, but I'd have to go with the Tundra and an expectation of finer finishes (and an engine that doesn't blow up) with the premium price tag. So much plastic inside a $70k+ vehicle. And the smaller back seats, even if they were better vehicles, are deal breakers for me. And I've got to admit, the plastic grills look so cheap IMO.
Agree. Plus... the Tundra doesn't have bumpers. Take a look at the rear of the truck. Where other fullsize trucks have standard full width, replaceable bumpers... the Tundra has wrap-around plastic and bodywork. Totally useless AND it looks terrible.
Thanks UT, appreciate your honesty, The price, motor, tiny back seat area and fit and finish from Mexico all hold me back from buying the Tacoma. It’s not even a dream truck for me anymore. Keep up the good work.
Even though I was disappointed you sold your previous 21 lunar pro I'm glad you're out there fighting for what the rest of us are talking about and that's the piss poor quality that has happened to Toyota recently
Toyota lost me when they went away from that bullet proof 5.7 V8 in the tundra. They added insult to injury with the ridiculous pricing and hideous styling.
In high school I had a Nissan hard body pickup. That truck was indestructible. The engine was bulletproof. I put 300k on that truck and it was still running fine when I sold it. Not made like that anymore. Although that first gen Titan was a really reliable truck.
Toyota needs to (can't believe I'm saying this) follow Ram's lead and offer a Classic line for the Tundra, 4Runner, and Tacoma with the 5.7, 4.0, and 3.5 respectively.
Agreed, I also think the competition has become better which has also lowered the Tacoma standings. I imagine within 3 years the Tacoma will not be viewed the King of the mid size market
My very first brand new car was a 1979 Corolla liftback. Drove it almost 20 years. Now we are about to retire next year and were planning on buying a new 4Runner as our last car. Now I'll have to either buy used, buy Nissan, or die early!
One of the Toyota dealerships in Tucson keeps calling me to trade in my 2017 Tacoma for a 2024 and I told them, no way. Bring back the V6 and then we can talk.
Have you gone in and checked out the 2024. Was at the dealer last week and the new 2024 was better in every way to the 2019 Taco I just traded in. Except for price, but everything is more expensive, but most people are also making more money so it is what it is.
You have nailed it. I do think Toyota will change & re-think this mess. Years ago Consumers Report tore Toyota a new ass about the fucked up Camry. Went from their customer #1 CR annual rating to basically junk status. TOOK 1 YEAR and Toyota noticed and changed Camry back to its #1 rating. So, as big a corporation as Toyota is, change can be done in a single year. Let's hope they do is again.
What bothers me is what Untamed touched on. I’ve lived off buying second hand reliable Toyotas with 80-100k miles. I would consider myself middle class. I would be scared to death to buy a newer model Tundra or Tacoma in a few years with 100k miles knowing I’m gonna take the brunt of maintenance costs or a major repair Everything disposable now days and it ultimately hurts the middle and lower class who can’t afford new cars.
I own a 22 tundra SR5 premium and have been towing and camping with it for the last 2 years…. Zero issues so far and 25k on the engine. I’m nervous because I keep hearing people report issues and I’ve had zero.
Since they are sitting on the dealers lots speaks volume, no body wants a $1000 truck payments and to have a truck sitting at a shop while making those payments. The new Toyota CEO can’t force people to get what he wants.
I've got a 2017 4Runner and I'm about ready to buy something new. I'm looking at LC, 4R, and the Tacoma. The problem is that none of the new versions have anything that excites me enough to get out of a 7 year old 4Runner. My local dealer sent me an offer on a Tacoma Trailhunter - $68, 400! I paid just under $40k for my TRD Offroad Premium 4Runner. Then I put another $5k in lift , wheels, and tires to get the ride where i want it. Sure, my lifted 4R is a slug and after 7 years it has given me ZERO problems. I have to ask myself if jumping into a 4Cyl/Hybrid platform is worth it. I do take my truck offroad, dozens of miles from pavement. I really do feel like my current 7yo 4Runner will last longer than a new one. I've been buying Toyotas for 25 years and the the very thing that keeps me coming back seems to have disappeared.
I have to agree with you one hundred percent, I have a 2016 4runner trail with kdss that I've totally decked out as an overland vehicle and my daily driver. Like you, I've sunk thousands into my 4runner and have had zero problems with her. To be honest, I think the new 4runnner has lost its identity. It looks too much like the Tacoma, and that four cylinder I have to question. With only 54000 kms on her and still looks factory new, I'm thinking I'll probably keep her for a few more years yet and enjoy the fruits of my labor 😅😅. Good luck with your decision, but I'm curious to know what you're going to do 😊
Great video you are spot on I'm a Toyota fan boy and have been my whole life. I'm 57 and retired bought a 2021 Lexus RX 350 for the wife and I drive a 2021 1794 Tundra I had a feeling these new turbo charged motors would be problematic I'll keep the 2021's for a long time and let Toyota sort out this mess. I real think Gen 2 Tundras will go up in value due to there exceptional reliability.
I guess I’m keeping my 2021 till the wheels fall off, however, I think it’s kind of normal that a new engine has problems in the beginning. The 5.7 I think had some issues too when it first came out.
I'm really disappointed in Toyota, they are flushing their good reputation down the toilet, and it's the main reason I'll never get rid of my '14 4Runner.
I love my 2023 Tundra! I love the V6 Twin Turbo with 10 speed transmission. The driving experience is just hands down the best! I am so happy I bought this Truck and I also love modifying this truck…. Just fun on every aspect.
I paid $34k for my TRD OR manual back in 2017. The same spec in 2024 is $43.4k. These numbers actually perfectly match inflation (28% since 2017). I'm not sure people complaining about the prices realize how much inflation happened during Covid. If anything, the last model years of the 3rd generations were underpriced.
As a longtime Toyota fan, I wouldn't touch the new Tundra or Tacoma even if I could afford one. I'll stick with my 2006 Tundra 4.7L AC 4wd Limited and my 1993 Land Cruiser.
All these videos this guy puts out with no numbers, just catering to the angry nature of America. Mays sales numbers just came out and the 2024 Tundra has the best sales ever through the first 5 months of any year in the history of Tundra. Yet you get the look, my dealer in the middle of nowhere has a bunch of Tundras, they can't sell.
Personally I don’t even care about the power train cause as a mechanic I know turbocharged engines can be fairly reliable. Seen turbocharged bmws with over 230k miles on them so the price is my major issue
@@davefs9441As the owner of several turbo charged vehicles. Mostly VW. Change oil at 4k miles. Turbo cars need more warm up time before you can rev them high vs NA. Do not shut off your turbo car immediately after driving. Wait atleast 30sec to cool down before shutting it off. ( I don’t mean if you run to the grocery store or something to sit and wait in the car lol. Just when you get home and are turning the car off for the day don’t shut off immediately when parked) Give cool down time, especially after driving hard. Avoid spiking the turbo. (Cruising and then randomly flooring it). Experience: 2015 Golf GTI with 175k miles and 2020 Audi A5 with 60k miles
I've been leasing a 2021 Tundra for the last almost 3 years, lease is up in October and I'm starting to get calls from the dealership they want to buy out my lease and "upgrade" me to the latest 2024 Tundra. I went to see what this was about. Long story short, the equivalent to my SR5 Tundra is over 10K more than the one I lease making my payments $300 more per month. The guy was then trying to get me into a smaller vehicle to lower my monthly payments so they can have my 2021 Tundra with only 18,000 miles so they can sell as a used vehicle and possibly make more money. The guy finally admitted they're having trouble selling the new Tundras and as you mentioned in another video, they are overstocked on them because no one wants them, also getting calls from people looking for used 2021 or prior Tundras. If I end up leasing another vehicle I may just go to another dealership.
I want to buy a '24 TRD Off Road Long Bed Hybrid Premium. They wont let me configure one. The dealers can't order one, and Toyota apparently is not going to offer it.
I was a huge Toyota fan. Absolutely loved my 2007 Tacoma with 4WD, V6, and 6-speed manual. First clutch went 200,000 miles. Now I’ve gone to the big 3 and drive a Ram 1500. No regrets. I didn’t even consider the new Tundra due to lack of V8. Now I’m very glad I didn’t consider it.
Why would you want to buy one at this point. They say 2024 are not jncluded😅, until they sell all of them, then recall notice. It is on you if you do. What a nightmare. Oh the repair waiting list is going to be stupid due to shortage, I see that coming. Maybe 2025, maybe.
Toyota has become just another manufacturer. They used to stand for reliability but now they are just ordinary quality at a premium price. A little small turbo engine in a truck would actually work for my usage, but I don't want to pay a premium for a problem vehicle.
Even my built in Japan 23 4runner came with a bad front needle bearing, bad headlight and they cheaped out on the sound deadening tape with the windshield cowl. The stealership claimed the front diff rumble was normal, it got so bad I took it to another stealership and they had to replace the entire front differential. The headlight was hard for the first to ignore as it was full of water after a car wash and that cowl rattle/nails on a chalk board I had to fix myself by adding foam tape. I can't even imagine all the issues the 24/25s will come with.
I’ve decided to vote with my wallet. I can’t afford a new truck from any manufacturer anymore. Prices are to asinine. I’ll stick with old used because I no longer have a choice. Great videos
I think the hammering of "made in Mexico" is annoying I'm Mexican so maybe that's why but I think it's annoying that he keeps on saying it over and over when you buy iPhones that are made in China and india but they have quality controls in place so they can take advantage of the cheap labor but still have a quality product it speaks more on the company itself more than where the product is made and by who I've had Toyotas and they have always have felt overpriced for what they are but if that's what you like more power to you, everything is overpriced nowadays and it's unsustainable hopefully soon everything will come back to normal.
Not to beat a dead horse, but I install alarm systems, and when our main alarm panel maker went from Canada to Mexico, it has killed this industry. Nothing works right, piss poor quality, service problems even the manufacture can't figure out, and customers screaming about all the problems as my business has to eat the cost of all this to keep them happy. Glad I'm at the age I can retire. IMO, the crap we get from Mexico is a mess.
@@louclawges9069I think it still applies in the sense of quality controls not put in place properly for cost savings because like he says on the video they are saving a lot of money on labor yet the trucks got more expensive so I think Toyota like many companies that have a reputation of being good quality just don't care anymore because no matter what, people would just buy their stuff and everything is disposable because they want you to keep on buying crap
It's totally up to the company (read: their management) to determine the ultimate quality of whatever product they are selling. It has nothing to do with where the product is made. There are great companies that can make great things anywhere on earth. Poorly managed companies who don't truly care about quality make crappy things literally anywhere. (Japan is certainly no exception when it comes to this either. There have been "quality escapes" from Japanese manufacturers who manufacture products in Japan over the years as well). In my eyes, if Toyota's quality is suffering, you can exclusively blame it on Toyota and not the people or countries who assemble their vehicles.
No way I'm buying for the brand name. I'm buying for the long term reliability. If I don't see that then it clearly just isn't a good investment period. Putting fake Cosmetic trim on, does not make the car a worthy investment. Nothing about these newer cars made any sense. It just look funky with a lot of plastic that just didn't look right.
ive been waiting to buy a taco since the start of covid. I guess I have to start looking at used ones as I will not buy a 4 banger charged mid size for 50k+ onscene, especially if you're not getting quality like before. Keep up the videos, they inform a lot of people now.
I have to agree. A number of Toyota fanboy RUclipsrs (Jon) are selling their souls pushing these vehicles. I have no doubt they are being "incentivized" by Toyota. Happy to see you have integrity. Keep up the good work!!!!!
I would buy a non-hybrid manual 1958 Landcruiser or 4runner 4banger -- With the manual transmission from the Tacoma -- why not offer it on the LC or 4R??
I’m a Toyota 4x4 fan and I’m waiting to see what they do for the next generation Hilux so I can get one here in Central America. I hate when people say “inflation” and blame politicians for the pricing. Even with inflation these trucks are grossly overpriced. The fact that over in Asia you can get a 10k USD Toyota bare bones mini body on frame truck after reducing the price from 15-20k shows you those guy’s profit margin. They can’t get away with it in poor countries because they won’t sell. I guarantee you they are not taking a loss. I wanted to import a Tacoma so bad until I saw what you get for the price. Not built in Japan is one thing but not build in USA either? Nahhh. I see auto bloggers interviewing Toyota execs and pushing excuses in their mouths when talking to them. You can tell the execs kind of brush off and move on from the reality very fast with no comment and all smiles.
I don't care how much cheaper the Turbo v6 Tundra cost I am not buying it... I only want V8 natural aspirate engine and I also love the sound of the V8. I have 2020 so only way I can upgrade if they have v8 😊
3:05 I remember how outraged Taco guys were when the 2017 TRD Pro debuted for $42k MSRP. Now many of them desperately defend Toyota jacking up the price of a TRD Sport to $10k more than a 2017 TRD Pro. 4:05 They designed the truck to have those diagonal lines at the back of the rear quarter panels to hide bumper misalignment issues, which was a struggle during the 3rd gen. I guess they forgot about the tailgate lol The only naturally aspirated V6 I would accept is the 4.0L. They got rid of the 1GR and everything went to hell at Toyota.
Checked the panel gaps on my 24 Tacoma all are spot on, no variance between each side of tailgate. No rattles no squeaks. Longevity is unknown it's too new, time will tell, the same can be said about any new vehicle. Turbo has its plus and minus I've listened to the Car Care Nut he has good info regarding the new Tacoma and its Turbo. Prices ? yea they're high and that's the way of the world today..........Inflation !
@@M85Iroc The old 1985 to 95 trucks that had those 4 cylinder turbos but weighed less than 2900 lbs. Fast forward to today and It is still a 2.4 cylinder but weighs a whopping 4,265 lbs. Just crazy how much stress will be on that motor. Just imagine it with 3 passengers and something in the bed going up a hill in the California heat.
I'm still driving my Japan built 2006 4Runner V8 Sport Edition. Nothing like a bullet proof V8 Toyota engine! My sympathy to all those that buy the new Toyota 4 Bangers.
I agree it’s ridiculous that trucks made in Mexico are priced over 50k. I looked at the tundra in 23. Window gaskets peeling off and cheap interior drove me to Ram. Zero issues, zero regrets…
I want a 30 mpg naturally aspirated toyota stout compact pickup to compete with ford maverick but i just bought an older 1gr fe 4.0 tacoma to use while i wait
I’ve owned Toyota trucks for 30 year’s and won’t buy the new generation! Just doesn’t make sense to go from 8 cylinder to 6. They’re trying to shove that crap down our throats!! Keep them! Keep speaking the truth 0:30
As a Toyota fan I never thought I would say that Nissan trucks are the better buy right now.
Exactly, new frontiers looking really good lately
Yup go figure!
@@spartanwarrior1855 I'm looking to trade my 2023 Tundra TRD Offroad for a new Tactical Green Frontier Pro 4X, working the deal right now ,and I agree
Yep, bought a Frontier, i'm quite impressed with it, love the V6.
Get a Sierra or Ram ffs
If Toyota is willing to allow the consumer to actually see those panel gaps, just imagine all the hidden issues that we can't see. Is this the end of Toyota as we know it?
Do you thinks it's because it's assembled in Mexico or was it designed like that ?I am talking about the gaps and loose parts
Designed in Michigan.. so probably dipshits hired frim from Stelantis
What an EXCELLENT POINT!!! Too bad Toyota doesn’t think like you ! Thats what happens when they change CEO.
Its up to us as consumers, take your wallet & run until Toyota wises up.
@marioa2753
Moving Tacoma assembly to Mexico was the last straw. Buying a Tacoma that was built in the USA... helping a fellow American put food on the table... WAS pretty awesome.
@jerryjeromehawkins1712 Colorado and Ridgeline still made in the USA.
Keep speaking the truth. I hope Toyota listens.
I would say the Tundra is worse (for now) because its engines are exploding. The Tacoma was most disappointing though due to price.
Would never buy a truck where every day I would be worrying about the repair cost of an engine implosion after the warranty runs out.
my local dealership only has ONE tacoma with a blown engine waiting on a new one.just one out of maybe 20 they have sold isn't really that bad.still under warranty tho, since it is a 2024 model
@@billw84765% blown motor rate ain't that bad?! Not sure if you've considered the insanity of that statement
@@theworldisastage1984right that’s a lot considering they were just released this year
I am an engineer, and when I changed jobs to the automotive industry, one of my first projects was equipment installs for parts that would end up on the 2024 Tacoma. I was coming up on needing a new vehicle, and was super excited to pick up one of the 2024 Tacomas since I had a hand in their production, as I've always liked Toyotas. I was eager for this truck the entire time I was working on the project and was even ready to settle on the turbo 4, cause I could look at the truck in my driveway and say I did a part of that.
About a week ago was when I finally got my new truck. A Nissan Frontier Pro 4X. That's what I thought of the new Tacomas and their pricing.
The Nissan frontier is looking like a better buy… never thought I’ll ever say that
😂😂
It's a better truck. PERIOD. I COULD LIST 10 REASONS WHY.
I’m right there with you brother… never thought I’d truly consider a Frontier over a Tacoma. =\
a Nissan over a tacome haha sure bud
@@theeconomist100 well it's a better truck! The new Tacoma is last for reliability and frontier is first! Just go to repair pal and check for yourself. It's facts based on repair orders. Sorry to burst your bubble.
I’ve documented my owner experience with my Tundra on my channel. It’s been nothing short of a nightmare. I finally dumped it. I tried really hard to make it work, but at the end of the day, the shortcomings were overwhelming. Keep speaking the truth! I’m trying to do my part…
I’m sorry to hear of your terrible ownership experience… don’t wish that on anyone. Appreciate you sharing your lived experience though for others to take heed. 👍
What year Tundra?
Just saying the 3rd gen frontier has a 3.8 naturally aspirated v6 with hydraulic steering still.
If you gave me the choice of a 2024 Tacoma or Frontier. I would pick the frontier EVERY time without thinking twice.
I test drove a used 2023 Frontier FX4 Pro. I was very impressed. It felt larger then my sons 2019 Taco (Which I love) the Frontier had really good power, i really, really liked it. I must say I’ve had new and used Datsuns and Nissans since mid 1970’s which I enjoyed but they never were as reliable as all the Toyotas I’ve owned. So if I bought one I would hold my breath that it last with few issues
Frontiers are aggressively priced too !
@lamontgarrison3296 you can get a pro4x for $35k with heavy discounts too. Don't pay anywhere near msrp
Best of all they’re still being made in the USA.
Nissan. Really???
I'm planning to buy a nissan frontier instead of a toyota Tacoma, because of the quality and engines
They look nicer too.
After this hole toyota engine debacle. I've realized how underrated the Frontiers are. Nissan should send a thank you letter to toyota.
Ditto
Better hurry
overall the nissan frontier is a pretty good pickup though, pretty too
My son works as a mechanic at our local dealer and he has warned everyone he knows not to even think about getting a new Tundra or Taco. The quality and engineering is pure shit. His biggest complaint is all the plastic mechanical parts all over the truck. Parts that just a couple of years ago were all metal are now plastic. A guaranteed repair, plus they have designed the new engines to be nearly impossible for owners to do even a minor repair. Its nearly as bad for the certified mechanics.
Thanks for sharing
Thanks for sharing brother. It’s a shame Fanboys will cover their ears when real mechanics are speaking about the quality of these new gen Toyotas. Manufacturers clearly don’t want owners working on their own vehicles anymore. =\
What parts are being made plastic? Could you be specific? Thanks
i found out today that you have to pull the engine out of the tacoma to replace the turbo.
@@billw8476 are you serious? Lol
The entire automotive industry is imploding.
Good, it needs it. Shit is way to expensive now a days for what you get.
Indeed.
And they need to. We need a complete reset of the industry. All they do is build vehicles for posers these days.
It’s a shame… it’s as if some manufacturers are oblivious.
What I think will happen will be a shift from the fully padded up models to the lower trims with smaller margins. The oems and dealers have been very resistant because the higher trims fatter margins. But lot rot and increasing costs of inventory floor plans will FORCE them to change. They are clawing and kicking all the way but in the end the demand ain't their for the higher priced models.
Still don't know why toyota went all in on these high-pressure four bangers. Why not give an option on four or six cylinders. On a midsize 4x4, I would rather have a V6.
There is no option because the take rate for the V6 would be much higher
That Simple,….cos lazy, less head counts for extra engineers needed, short cut. 😊
I know toyota engineers had their hands tied on what engines they could offer on the tacomas. But dropping a reliable, popular V6 motor? The Frontier or Ridgline looks more appetizing for me.
@@datdog1223 i think we are going to see frontiers and ridgelines get more expensive than they already are. I know if i wanted a small p u i would look at those before the Tacoma. Never drove the frontier but the 3.5 liter v6 in my daughter accord man that drives so smooth with very nice acceleration. hopefully Honda don't take away the v6 like they did in accord.
I got an opportunity to ride in a ridgeline with the 3.5 L. More than enough power to get around and smooth power band. The swing out tailgate option is a genius idea.
I bought a 22 Frontier Pro-4X for $41K loaded and now have almost 45,000 miles on it with not one single issue. Glad I did, and love the truck. I put my money on a solid V6.
That Pro4X is a solid truck. Much better bang for your buck. Congrats man, good call imo!
They don't offer a manual. So it's out for me.
@@joeb2588 okay. Enjoy your Toyota or Jeep then.
@@4rr44E jeep yah, no way. I'd walk first.
My uncle has a 22 Frontier as well with 48k miles in it but the transmission clunked out already... He said is was made my Mercedes-Benz and they want a fuk load of money to change it out or fix it without warranty. Engine is decent on Nissan, but Nissan can never get it right with transmissions. The new Tacoma is stupid, but I still see it outlasting anything else. A friend of mine has a new GMC and that pos is worse. Electrical issues, cam phasers broke, and he broke a tie rod already 😂... I mean the tie rod could have been him, but still... if you think Toyota is bad, there's always GM 😅.
Toyota sold us out! Nissian Frontier will still offer a revamped 3.8 V-6 in 2025 and this is after the new turbo 4 cylinder comes out in their redesigned 2025 Frontier… you know why… they are giving their customers a freaking choice!!!! Toyota I have been with you since 1986 and have three Toyota’s in my garage as we speak.. 2005 4 Cylinder access cab 2 wheel drive 216,000 miles on it… 2022 TRD OFF Road Premium 10,000 miles and 2024 4 Runner TRD PRO 260 miles. I would not spend one freaking dime anymore on that junk they are rolling out to us on the production line! Keep it going UT!!! Don’t listen to anyone else on the platform of Toyota’s!!!
So true. Frontiers have been underrated and disrespected for years. The Nissan frontier is a quality product that is as good or better than the prior generation Tacoma. Now there’s no contest.
I 2nd that!👍🏼💪🏼🇺🇸
I remember when my friend purchased a new 1987 Nissan 4x4 reg cab V6 with stick...it had bucket seats and electric windows...he took me out to Crystal Lake rec area two weeks later and drove through tons of mud and it ran well for years ..150 k when he changed the clutch
I really appreciate your support man, thank you. 🙏 it’s truly a shame to see the direction Toyota is heading… =\
Toyota has a problem with the V-6 Trunda, main bearings are failing at fast pace.
Don’t you mean accidental “machining debris” is causing them to fail? 👀
Just today Toyota has recalled the Tundra’s for main bearing.
@@UntamedMotors It doesn’t matter how it’s happening, Toyota has recalled over 100,000 Tundra’s for this problem.
@@sidallen685 So fewer trucks were recalled than were sold? If debris was causing the failures, why are they almost always at between 20k and 30k miles (aside from replacement engines). How is this debris so consistent in waiting until 20 to 30,000 miles into ownership before deciding to destroy the main bearings? Why did it take Toyota 3 model years to react and why did they exclude 2024's from the recall when there are tons of 2024's with engine failure now? Recalling half of 3rd gen Tundras doesn't exactly impress people that just bought a new Tundra or were excluded from the recall without explanantion.
I still have my 2014 Tundra V8 5.7L CrewMax 4x4. With 100k miles on her, she still running great, not a single issue. There is NO chance in hell I’m upgrading to fu-man-chundra…
At the rate you’re putting miles on that tundra, I’d say you’re good for another 30 years😉
You certainly have the last “real” tundra. 👌
My 08 has 600000 km still runs strong with no issues. Bought a 2022 it’s been good but it’s not the 08 and I still have it for the grunt work.
Excellent comment about the look tough fad we are seeing. Too much use of cheap plastic grilles and thin dent-easy panels. Most of the trucks today could not withstand a sparrow strike, but hey, it has heated seats for those Applebee's cowboys.
Keep the this message coming, Toyota needs to hear it.
Even if the new taco still had the v6 the new price is unacceptable. The price is THE only reason MOST people aren’t buying them.
Give the sales person your walk out the door $ If he or she doesn't accept it, start walking out the door. They always stop you to negotiate a better $ Especially if it's the end of the month.
@@datdog1223 problem is the new invoice on Tacomas is so much higher than the outgoing model they don’t have that much wiggle room.
I hear you for sure, 10,000-15,000 over the last model (2023). But dealerships get pretty desperate if they don't make there quota at the end of the month.
Yeah the 25-30% price hike feels like highway robbery
I don’t agree. Sure the uninformed are stopping purchase over price however smarter people are stopped by the crappy construction and the engine. Either way sales are slowing. My 2015 Tacoma TuRD will probably be harder to sell because of Toyotas bad reputation. It’s a good truck.
I think it’s pretty obvious the recall with the Tundra is not a factory machining mistake. It’s a design flaw with the engine itself. But they’re never going to admit to that. I think in time, these trucks are going to do more damage to the brand than they ever thought possible.
Once you start including taxes you start pushing $70k for mid size truck. ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS! Great videos keep it up.
Yeah that’s a hard pass for me 😂 🤦♂️
USD or CAD? If USD, then Holy fuck that's a lot
@@colin707 that’d be USD… smh
Like most publicly traded companies think; Short Term Gain; Long Term Pain “!
Watch all old tundras going up in price, as well as 4Runners and old tacos. If they admit there is an engine problem, imagine what’s behind the curtains.
Debris in the engine, what a joke. Even if it is debris left in the engine, that’s the worse thing you can do to an engine, the irresponsibility and lack of everything regarding quality control, etc, etc,etc. so I suspect something way bigger than that.
are current Tundras at MSRP now at the dealer or are the dealers not allowed to sell them now post-recall?
My co-worker's husband is a master auto mechanic who has work Longo Toyota in El Monte, CA since the late 1990. Just a FYI, Longo Toyota is a member of the Penske Automotive Group and the largest Toyota dealership in the U.S. His advise to me is DO NOT BUY THE CURRENT GENERATION OF THE TACOMA WITH THE TURBO-CHARGED 4 CYLINDER!
You just called him out online, he will not have his job for long!
Damn might as well share his address and the school his kids go to as well.
@@17forever64 - He is "a" master mechanic in that dealership. Also, it is no big secret in that dealership. In fact, the dealership has already stop purchases of 2024 Tacoma's in excess of its 2024 allocations as they don't want to deal with the large number of Tacomas coming back with bad engine problems.
@@F15ElectricEaglewhat are the problems with the 4 cylinder?
This whole Tundra engine issue is the exact reason we did a new 5th gen 4Runner this past winter versus a new Land Cruiser or waiting for a 4Runner…. Full stop. Life time Toyota guy, so when bro’s bash me for talking critically about the new turbo engines I roll my eyes. Hell, we have an old, ‘98 Avalon that runs like a top, over 200k miles, rides like new, no squeaks or rattles… that’s the shit that I loved about Toyotas, same with all of my former Land Cruisers, Tundra, FJ Cruiser…. Over it with the new stuff.
I’m right there with you brother. Just cause the new ones have a Toyota badge doesn’t mean they’re what we’ve come to love and expect from the brand. 👌
that old 4 runner drive like shit , terrible gaz milleage
@@theeconomist100 drives like shit? Please. Go get a Lexus LS than, it’s a utilitarian vehicle. It goes to 60 in 7 and a half seconds, that’s plenty fast. This is what is ruining 4wd vehicles are these people that want the ride of cute utes and all this unneeded technology that is going to be useless and non serviceable in 10 years. I had a 100 series Land Cruiser, considered to be a pretty solid vehicle. The touch screen for the HVAC went in the fritz 6 or seven years ago and even that was not really repairable. We are blessed with endless options out there. Everyone should get a vehicle that suits them. Some of us just like simple, durable, low upkeep, well built, tough vehicles. The 5th gen has that in spades.
I just found this channel, It's a great video, I'm leasing a 2022 sport and I was looking forward to moving into a new one, now I'm thinking about buying my 22 at the end of my lease
I have some friends who have their BMW's and wonder why I have an 09 Lexus RX350. They go to the dealer to look at a trouble light, and walk out at the very least, $700 plus in the hole. Me, change the oil, brakes, tires, and I keep driving and driving. No repairs, no trouble light, knocks or clicks. Today, if your car or truck has a problem, it will cost you dearly whether it's a dealer or the one man shop down the street. I want my money in my pocket! These new cars and trucks are just a 2nd mortgage payment waiting to happen. Seems like we just lost the last car company that gave us that great product we all use to love.
Telling the truth is now being called being harsh classic keep up the good work
A true Mexican taco
Right 😂😂😂.
🤣🤣
They’ve been built in Mexico for decades. Sorry to point out the obvious, but all the hate on these new tacomas is completely unjustified. I bought a trd OR at $43K… that’s cheaper than my gen 3 was, and it’s a better truck in every single measurable way.
@@kevinbradley8613 The first gen Tacos were made in Fremont, California, the second gens were made there until 2010 before Taco production moved to San Antonio, Texas for the 2010 model year. The third gen Taco was the last to be made in America as they were made in Texas from 2016 until production began moving in 2020 to Mexico. The 4th gen Taco is the first to be made entirely in Mexico.
My 2004 Tacoma reg cab 4x4 auto was made in Fremont in June 2004...last of 1st generations just turned 108k.
I’m a delivery driver in SoCal and see a bunch of Tacomas both new and old and I can tell you the previous gen just looks so much more stout durable compared to the new ones.
I'm keeping my 4.0 V6 tacoma until it dies
My plan, too. 4.0 with 6 speed manual and 4WD. Fingers crossed.
Same here. My 2005 tacoma 4×4 runs just as strong now than when I drove it off the lot.
or just buy another 4.0 v6 crate and roll back the odometer, just like new!! 🤑
Good call. Should be good until 2145 or so. 😉
She won’t die if u don’t let her 👍🏻
Which is the bigger turd? Tough call, but I'd have to go with the Tundra and an expectation of finer finishes (and an engine that doesn't blow up) with the premium price tag. So much plastic inside a $70k+ vehicle. And the smaller back seats, even if they were better vehicles, are deal breakers for me. And I've got to admit, the plastic grills look so cheap IMO.
Agree. Plus... the Tundra doesn't have bumpers. Take a look at the rear of the truck. Where other fullsize trucks have standard full width, replaceable bumpers... the Tundra has wrap-around plastic and bodywork. Totally useless AND it looks terrible.
Thanks UT, appreciate your honesty, The price, motor, tiny back seat area and fit and finish from Mexico all hold me back from buying the Tacoma. It’s not even a dream truck for me anymore. Keep up the good work.
Even though I was disappointed you sold your previous 21 lunar pro I'm glad you're out there fighting for what the rest of us are talking about and that's the piss poor quality that has happened to Toyota recently
Toyota lost me when they went away from that bullet proof 5.7 V8 in the tundra. They added insult to injury with the ridiculous pricing and hideous styling.
In high school I had a Nissan hard body pickup. That truck was indestructible. The engine was bulletproof. I put 300k on that truck and it was still running fine when I sold it. Not made like that anymore. Although that first gen Titan was a really reliable truck.
Toyota needs to (can't believe I'm saying this) follow Ram's lead and offer a Classic line for the Tundra, 4Runner, and Tacoma with the 5.7, 4.0, and 3.5 respectively.
Agreed, I also think the competition has become better which has also lowered the Tacoma standings. I imagine within 3 years the Tacoma will not be viewed the King of the mid size market
I’ve had nothing but troubles with my 2023 Tundra SR5. Should have kept my 2016 v8.
My very first brand new car was a 1979 Corolla liftback. Drove it almost 20 years. Now we are about to retire next year and were planning on buying a new 4Runner as our last car. Now I'll have to either buy used, buy Nissan, or die early!
I drive a 2010 Tundra. It has 172,000 miles. Never getting rid of it.
One of the Toyota dealerships in Tucson keeps calling me to trade in my 2017 Tacoma for a 2024 and I told them, no way. Bring back the V6 and then we can talk.
Have you gone in and checked out the 2024. Was at the dealer last week and the new 2024 was better in every way to the 2019 Taco I just traded in. Except for price, but everything is more expensive, but most people are also making more money so it is what it is.
You have nailed it. I do think Toyota will change & re-think this mess. Years ago Consumers Report tore Toyota a new ass about the fucked up Camry. Went from their customer #1 CR annual rating to basically junk status. TOOK 1 YEAR and Toyota noticed and changed Camry back to its #1 rating. So, as big a corporation as Toyota is, change can be done in a single year. Let's hope they do is again.
Thanks!
Banks a ton brother! 🙏
What bothers me is what Untamed touched on. I’ve lived off buying second hand reliable Toyotas with 80-100k miles. I would consider myself middle class. I would be scared to death to buy a newer model Tundra or Tacoma in a few years with 100k miles knowing I’m gonna take the brunt of maintenance costs or a major repair Everything disposable now days and it ultimately hurts the middle and lower class who can’t afford new cars.
Toyota is going to shit!
Hope they’re able to turn things around soon. =\
Toyota has degraded massively since the new CEO was installed a few years ago, without the right leadership any company will surely fail.
Correction; Toyota has gone to shit.
They’ve been crap for years, riding the coattails of their past.
@@dapperlygrungy3189 That is something out of the Ford playbook. The signature planned obsolescence.
Thanks for telling the truth no matter who doesn’t like it. I love your honesty keep it going.
I own a 22 tundra SR5 premium and have been towing and camping with it for the last 2 years…. Zero issues so far and 25k on the engine.
I’m nervous because I keep hearing people report issues and I’ve had zero.
That is great to hear! I hope your ownership continues to be stress free. =]
I guess that Tacoma stock pile is a U.S problem? Up here in Canada they are hard to come by.
But I do agree Toyota ruined the Tundra
I just bought a 24 limited i-force max tundra. I’m pretty happy right now of the quality. I’ll keep you updated about any issues
Since they are sitting on the dealers lots speaks volume, no body wants a $1000 truck payments and to have a truck sitting at a shop while making those payments. The new Toyota CEO can’t force people to get what he wants.
You got a good point.
Keep up the good quality content man !
👍 If I won a significant lottery, I wouldn't buy a new Toyota truck.....
I could pay cash for a tundra with little problem and I would if they weren't crap.
really if u won the lotto u would be like let me go look at the new toyotas. hell no i would banging out some range rovers and bentleys.
Capstone is a big waste for the Tundra.
I've got a 2017 4Runner and I'm about ready to buy something new. I'm looking at LC, 4R, and the Tacoma. The problem is that none of the new versions have anything that excites me enough to get out of a 7 year old 4Runner. My local dealer sent me an offer on a Tacoma Trailhunter - $68, 400! I paid just under $40k for my TRD Offroad Premium 4Runner. Then I put another $5k in lift , wheels, and tires to get the ride where i want it. Sure, my lifted 4R is a slug and after 7 years it has given me ZERO problems. I have to ask myself if jumping into a 4Cyl/Hybrid platform is worth it. I do take my truck offroad, dozens of miles from pavement. I really do feel like my current 7yo 4Runner will last longer than a new one. I've been buying Toyotas for 25 years and the the very thing that keeps me coming back seems to have disappeared.
I have to agree with you one hundred percent, I have a 2016 4runner trail with kdss that I've totally decked out as an overland vehicle and my daily driver. Like you, I've sunk thousands into my 4runner and have had zero problems with her. To be honest, I think the new 4runnner has lost its identity. It looks too much like the Tacoma, and that four cylinder I have to question. With only 54000 kms on her and still looks factory new, I'm thinking I'll probably keep her for a few more years yet and enjoy the fruits of my labor 😅😅. Good luck with your decision, but I'm curious to know what you're going to do 😊
4 runner are reliable but they are boring , 5 speed auto is garbage
Time for a magnuson supercharger
@theeconomist100 Yeah that's a big downside for sure. Terrible on fuel.
Great video you are spot on I'm a Toyota fan boy and have been my whole life. I'm 57 and retired bought a 2021 Lexus RX 350 for the wife and I drive a 2021 1794 Tundra I had a feeling
these new turbo charged motors would be problematic I'll keep the 2021's for a long time and let Toyota sort out this mess. I real think Gen 2 Tundras will go up in value due to there
exceptional reliability.
I’ll keep my 1993 Toyota Pickup 22RE!
Just hit 217k miles today. 5 speed 4X4
Those were peak Toyota reliability and engineering.
Akio Toyoda needs to come back before the ship completely sinks.
I guess I’m keeping my 2021 till the wheels fall off, however, I think it’s kind of normal that a new engine has problems in the beginning. The 5.7 I think had some issues too when it first came out.
I don’t understand why they ditched the N/A 4 cylinder option. It’s not my first choice, but I’d take that over the turbo nonsense.
I'm really disappointed in Toyota, they are flushing their good reputation down the toilet, and it's the main reason I'll never get rid of my '14 4Runner.
I love my 2023 Tundra! I love the V6 Twin Turbo with 10 speed transmission. The driving experience is just hands down the best! I am so happy I bought this Truck and I also love modifying this truck…. Just fun on every aspect.
@@jeffp5418 Good thing I’m not looking to sell. Hope it don’t blow up.
I paid $34k for my TRD OR manual back in 2017. The same spec in 2024 is $43.4k.
These numbers actually perfectly match inflation (28% since 2017).
I'm not sure people complaining about the prices realize how much inflation happened during Covid. If anything, the last model years of the 3rd generations were underpriced.
As a longtime Toyota fan, I wouldn't touch the new Tundra or Tacoma even if I could afford one. I'll stick with my 2006 Tundra 4.7L AC 4wd Limited and my 1993 Land Cruiser.
All these videos this guy puts out with no numbers, just catering to the angry nature of America. Mays sales numbers just came out and the 2024 Tundra has the best sales ever through the first 5 months of any year in the history of Tundra. Yet you get the look, my dealer in the middle of nowhere has a bunch of Tundras, they can't sell.
Personally I don’t even care about the power train cause as a mechanic I know turbocharged engines can be fairly reliable. Seen turbocharged bmws with over 230k miles on them so the price is my major issue
How are turbo engines over the lifespan of the vehicle? Do they need more maintenance/TLC?
@@davefs9441yes they do and don’t ever follow that 10k miles oil change crap they tell you
@@davefs9441As the owner of several turbo charged vehicles. Mostly VW. Change oil at 4k miles. Turbo cars need more warm up time before you can rev them high vs NA. Do not shut off your turbo car immediately after driving. Wait atleast 30sec to cool down before shutting it off.
( I don’t mean if you run to the grocery store or something to sit and wait in the car lol. Just when you get home and are turning the car off for the day don’t shut off immediately when parked)
Give cool down time, especially after driving hard. Avoid spiking the turbo. (Cruising and then randomly flooring it). Experience: 2015 Golf GTI with 175k miles and 2020 Audi A5 with 60k miles
I've been leasing a 2021 Tundra for the last almost 3 years, lease is up in October and I'm starting to get calls from the dealership they want to buy out my lease and "upgrade" me to the latest 2024 Tundra. I went to see what this was about. Long story short, the equivalent to my SR5 Tundra is over 10K more than the one I lease making my payments $300 more per month. The guy was then trying to get me into a smaller vehicle to lower my monthly payments so they can have my 2021 Tundra with only 18,000 miles so they can sell as a used vehicle and possibly make more money. The guy finally admitted they're having trouble selling the new Tundras and as you mentioned in another video, they are overstocked on them because no one wants them, also getting calls from people looking for used 2021 or prior Tundras. If I end up leasing another vehicle I may just go to another dealership.
So thankful I have a 2023 4Runner. Keeping her FOREVER
I want to buy a '24 TRD Off Road Long Bed Hybrid Premium. They wont let me configure one. The dealers can't order one, and Toyota apparently is not going to offer it.
back seat is a deal breaker for me. now way to fold the seat down to make a large flat surface like the third gen.
Agree, and a strap to hold it up 💩. There are no lids for storage 💩
correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the Chevy Colorado only offered with a 4-cyl turbo also? even the ZR2 Bison has a 4 banger
The GM motor is slightly bigger. The issue is that Toyota had a reliable, popular V6 motor that matched great for the tacomas.
The problem with Toyota is the turbo it’s always going to be an issue and that a guarantee even the ones made in Japan
I was a huge Toyota fan. Absolutely loved my 2007 Tacoma with 4WD, V6, and 6-speed manual. First clutch went 200,000 miles. Now I’ve gone to the big 3 and drive a Ram 1500. No regrets. I didn’t even consider the new Tundra due to lack of V8. Now I’m very glad I didn’t consider it.
Why would you want to buy one at this point. They say 2024 are not jncluded😅, until they sell all of them, then recall notice. It is on you if you do. What a nightmare. Oh the repair waiting list is going to be stupid due to shortage, I see that coming.
Maybe 2025, maybe.
Toyota has become just another manufacturer. They used to stand for reliability but now they are just ordinary quality at a premium price.
A little small turbo engine in a truck would actually work for my usage, but I don't want to pay a premium for a problem vehicle.
In the past 5.7L engine had problems and later problems and bugs were fixed, I love Toyota and looking forward to buy in the future
Guys like the guy making the video seems to forget this fact.
Im saving for a 2022 4Runner sr5
Even my built in Japan 23 4runner came with a bad front needle bearing, bad headlight and they cheaped out on the sound deadening tape with the windshield cowl. The stealership claimed the front diff rumble was normal, it got so bad I took it to another stealership and they had to replace the entire front differential. The headlight was hard for the first to ignore as it was full of water after a car wash and that cowl rattle/nails on a chalk board I had to fix myself by adding foam tape. I can't even imagine all the issues the 24/25s will come with.
I’ve decided to vote with my wallet. I can’t afford a new truck from any manufacturer anymore. Prices are to asinine. I’ll stick with old used because I no longer have a choice. Great videos
Tundra was ALWAYS a 2nd tier truck in sales & capability. Facts.
I think the hammering of "made in Mexico" is annoying I'm Mexican so maybe that's why but I think it's annoying that he keeps on saying it over and over when you buy iPhones that are made in China and india but they have quality controls in place so they can take advantage of the cheap labor but still have a quality product it speaks more on the company itself more than where the product is made and by who I've had Toyotas and they have always have felt overpriced for what they are but if that's what you like more power to you, everything is overpriced nowadays and it's unsustainable hopefully soon everything will come back to normal.
Not to beat a dead horse, but I install alarm systems, and when our main alarm panel maker went from Canada to Mexico, it has killed this industry. Nothing works right, piss poor quality, service problems even the manufacture can't figure out, and customers screaming about all the problems as my business has to eat the cost of all this to keep them happy. Glad I'm at the age I can retire. IMO, the crap we get from Mexico is a mess.
@@louclawges9069I think it still applies in the sense of quality controls not put in place properly for cost savings because like he says on the video they are saving a lot of money on labor yet the trucks got more expensive so I think Toyota like many companies that have a reputation of being good quality just don't care anymore because no matter what, people would just buy their stuff and everything is disposable because they want you to keep on buying crap
It's totally up to the company (read: their management) to determine the ultimate quality of whatever product they are selling. It has nothing to do with where the product is made. There are great companies that can make great things anywhere on earth. Poorly managed companies who don't truly care about quality make crappy things literally anywhere. (Japan is certainly no exception when it comes to this either. There have been "quality escapes" from Japanese manufacturers who manufacture products in Japan over the years as well). In my eyes, if Toyota's quality is suffering, you can exclusively blame it on Toyota and not the people or countries who assemble their vehicles.
No way I'm buying for the brand name. I'm buying for the long term reliability. If I don't see that then it clearly just isn't a good investment period. Putting fake Cosmetic trim on, does not make the car a worthy investment. Nothing about these newer cars made any sense. It just look funky with a lot of plastic that just didn't look right.
2024 Nissan Frontier seem to be the best choice nowadays.
ive been waiting to buy a taco since the start of covid. I guess I have to start looking at used ones as I will not buy a 4 banger charged mid size for 50k+ onscene, especially if you're not getting quality like before. Keep up the videos, they inform a lot of people now.
I have to agree. A number of Toyota fanboy RUclipsrs (Jon) are selling their souls pushing these vehicles. I have no doubt they are being "incentivized" by Toyota. Happy to see you have integrity. Keep up the good work!!!!!
I would buy a non-hybrid manual 1958 Landcruiser or 4runner 4banger -- With the manual transmission from the Tacoma -- why not offer it on the LC or 4R??
I’m a Toyota 4x4 fan and I’m waiting to see what they do for the next generation Hilux so I can get one here in Central America. I hate when people say “inflation” and blame politicians for the pricing. Even with inflation these trucks are grossly overpriced. The fact that over in Asia you can get a 10k USD Toyota bare bones mini body on frame truck after reducing the price from 15-20k shows you those guy’s profit margin. They can’t get away with it in poor countries because they won’t sell. I guarantee you they are not taking a loss. I wanted to import a Tacoma so bad until I saw what you get for the price. Not built in Japan is one thing but not build in USA either? Nahhh. I see auto bloggers interviewing Toyota execs and pushing excuses in their mouths when talking to them. You can tell the execs kind of brush off and move on from the reality very fast with no comment and all smiles.
Yes! Someone who speaks the TRUTH!! Thank you man for taking a different route and looking out for the consumers. Reliability is key nowadays
I would consider a Tacoma honestly if it weren’t for the insane asking price
I had a 22 tacoma base 2.7 wanted something with a bigger motor. Went with the 24 Frontier since toyota went with all 4 cylinder turbos
I don't care how much cheaper the Turbo v6 Tundra cost I am not buying it... I only want V8 natural aspirate engine and I also love the sound of the V8. I have 2020 so only way I can upgrade if they have v8 😊
3:05 I remember how outraged Taco guys were when the 2017 TRD Pro debuted for $42k MSRP. Now many of them desperately defend Toyota jacking up the price of a TRD Sport to $10k more than a 2017 TRD Pro.
4:05 They designed the truck to have those diagonal lines at the back of the rear quarter panels to hide bumper misalignment issues, which was a struggle during the 3rd gen. I guess they forgot about the tailgate lol
The only naturally aspirated V6 I would accept is the 4.0L. They got rid of the 1GR and everything went to hell at Toyota.
Your assuming the future with out facts!. Since 2016 Tacoma are assembled in Mexico.
The Tundra assembled in Texas, what happened with the motor?
Exactly, there’s a ton of assumptions being made. Historically the first couple years of a new generation always have recalls
Tacoma made in San Antonio, Texas, until 2020, moved Tacoma assembly Mexico. 2021 models to present made in Mexico.
Checked the panel gaps on my 24 Tacoma all are spot on, no variance between each side of tailgate. No rattles no squeaks. Longevity is unknown it's too new, time will tell, the same can be said about any new vehicle. Turbo has its plus and minus I've listened to the Car Care Nut he has good info regarding the new Tacoma and its Turbo. Prices ? yea they're high and that's the way of the world today..........Inflation !
A 4 banger in a truck.. 😂😂😂
Why laugh? It’s nothing new. It’s only been done forever.
Same fools think a 6 banger turbo will work too long term.....ok.
@@M85Iroc go drive one then 😂
@@M85Iroc The old 1985 to 95 trucks that had those 4 cylinder turbos but weighed less than 2900 lbs. Fast forward to today and It is still a 2.4 cylinder but weighs a whopping 4,265 lbs. Just crazy how much stress will be on that motor. Just imagine it with 3 passengers and something in the bed going up a hill in the California heat.
I'm still driving my Japan built 2006 4Runner V8 Sport Edition. Nothing like a bullet proof V8 Toyota engine! My sympathy to all those that buy the new Toyota 4 Bangers.
So far happy with my 2023 ltd tundra, 11000km, no issues and decent mileage, traded for 2019 tundra ltd. was great trade in price.
I agree it’s ridiculous that trucks made in Mexico are priced over 50k. I looked at the tundra in 23. Window gaskets peeling off and cheap interior drove me to Ram. Zero issues, zero regrets…
I want a 30 mpg naturally aspirated toyota stout compact pickup to compete with ford maverick but i just bought an older 1gr fe 4.0 tacoma to use while i wait
After 50 years of owning Toyotas, I’m finished. They have shown us who they really are. “Another one bites the dust”.
I’ve owned Toyota trucks for 30 year’s and won’t buy the new generation! Just doesn’t make sense to go from 8 cylinder to 6. They’re trying to shove that crap down our throats!! Keep them! Keep speaking the truth 0:30
Their older naturally aspirated ones are still re sale kings
I too love Toyota, and that is why I love your channel. You speak facts.
I’ve had plenty of Toyotas over the years. Finally made the switch to Ford.