I like the way this scene was choreographed. Though Wednesday lost the match, she still made her point to everyone (and especially Bianca) that she's a force to be reckoned with.
She's smaller and has less muscle more agility and flexibility. Bianca is a giant compared to her and physically stronger (my favorite kind of lady honestly!) as well as having a comanding presence. And Wednesday made her move. She made her flinch.
Naw, y'all just hate when the arrogant mothe'fucke' backs up their shit. Wednesday was a challenge which she asked for, and Wednesday push the matter and lost. Yes, Wednesday showed she was a force to be recond with, but still got slapped down by someone though arrogant, still was her better. At least for now.
Poorly choreographed. Too much spinning and too much gymnastics. Too ‘Hollywood’. A sabre duel to first blood should be full of tension, not acrobatics.
"He isn't hopeless, he's lazy..." This is a nice hint of Bianca's true character. She's not just a jerk or mean for the sake of mean. She's the best, but also someone who notes the quality of others and seeks unorthodox means to draw it out. She's an apex trying to drag other's up to her level.
One of the many things I love about Nevermore is how Wednesday was allowed to pick her own costume/color palette although her dress didn’t uniform with others'.
Wednesday losing the fight here was a mark of good hero design. You need to let your characters fail, especially when they are confident. It shows your audience they are human and can bleed and sometimes it humbles them...other times it just makes them more determined. Either way it's a good show.
This was honestly my favourite Netflix series of the year!! The cast all did such a good job owning their roles. Especially Jenna she shined as Wednesday. The story and especially the writing the dialogue so funny and fresh!
Lesson: don't assume arrogance means unskilled..some people really can back up what they say... Side note: I am loving Wednesday's black fencing outfit... my first thought was immediately Yes
@dooraymarshall6436 You are clearly another sad wannabe-aggrieved moron, but yes, she is absolutely excellent at everything she does, no matter what it is. She absolutely stabs and poisons and injures and sics piranha on and electrocutes people. The reason she doesn't kill people in the shows and movies (in fact, none of them really do despite endlessly doing things that should) is because then they wouldn't be quirky evil dangerous, but serial killers. The fact they stick to harming rude or annoying people (for instance, yourself) would not change that. Having a pile of bodies around them would be bad for their endearing personalities that are key to their popularity.
One of the best parts of the series was that Wednesday was not infaillible. She made lots of mistakes and stumbled more than a few times. Just witness how many times she pointed to the wrong person as the mastermind/monster. She was overconfident and it bit her on the butt. Hopefully she'll learn.
This might be strange to say, but I appreciate that Wednesday does something villainous and gets punished for it. It's good to make sure the MC it's a flawless person both physically and personally
This is actually a pretty excellent scene: Wednesday, true to form, acts as an Agent of Vengeance in defending the weak (Rowan) against the strong (Bianca), first with trading verbal barbs, with the added metaphor of her rapier as a stinger; that's actually characteristic of The Addams sense of honor. When the challenge turns physical, she fights in traditional formation to 2 effects--1) it allows her to exploit Bianca's underestimation of her to get the first hit, 2) enhances Bianca's ego by allowing Bianca to use that formation to get the second hit. Then, she flips the script by abandoning linear stances into loose formation, giving her the upper hand as Bianca is likely unaccustomed to combat maneuvering. Then, Wednesday actually loses, which subverts the narrative expectation. Wednesday's mistake was being impractical and aggressive. She assumed that Bianca's ego masked some ineptitude, and so Wednesday focused too much effort on humiliating flair while Bianca focused on pragmatic tactics. Every misstep Wednesday made was by trying to match her opponent's energy instead of forcing her opponent to match hers--Bianca is bold and aggressive, Wednesday is always subdued and precise. By taking the aggressive approach, Wednesday opened herself up to positions that made Bianca's hits possible. Had she adopted a strategy reflective of her personality, Bianca would have had to make all the gambits, thus making her vulnerable to Wednesday's ripostes. I also like that Wednesday's "psychopathy" makes her an outcast. These Nevermore cryptids are fairly conventional people so a normal human with inhuman psychology unnerves even them. Unfortunately, this scene kind of proves that Wednesday ISN'T a psychopath: if she was, she wouldn't care about Rowan or feel the need to defend him.
@@edj8008 It's been a question for some time. She did bury Tully & Mrs. Craven alive with Pugsley in the first movie and she almost killed that kid at her last school. Her fascination with serial killers also indicates she has the inclination.
unless of coruse it's a property dispute. allowing someone not under her control to mess with someone she considered HERS is something she woudn't countenance. that doens't mean there's actual empathy.
I don’t mind Bianca. She isn’t like Wednesday’s enemy or nemesis, she’s just her rival/competition. They don’t get along, but they don’t hate each other or try to go out of their way to hurt each other. Unless it’s in a competition. I actually think they have an interesting dynamic, I could see them becoming frienemy rivals. Like one of them gets in trouble and the other saves them, and they have a friendly moment before going back to there aggressive retorts. Like an “I hate you, but I don’t want you to get hurt.” kind of thing, I think it could have a lot of potential.
Many audience misunderstood Bianca here, they thought she was bullying Rowan because she's a crass or blunt. In reality she gives him respect by acknowledging that he isn't helpless. Infact Rowan is one of the most powerful people in the school with his powers and it's possible it is the other students, or the audience who underestimate him, not Bianca. How is Bianca a villain when during episode 1 all she did was: - make some remarks about the new girl based on gossip that she killed someone. Actually Ajax even said Wednesday ate the people she killed so why is no one saying Ajax is a villain? - Bianca only accepted Wednesday's duel and fought her fair and square at fencing. - Wednesday approached Bianca after Rowan died and asked her to report it. Instead of dismissing her, Bianca actually helped her and went to report to Weems and not questioned Wednesday's honesty whether it was nonsense. I am not saying she is purely good as well but considering her a villain during this time, people are exaggerating. Rowan actually tried to kill Wednesday twice! is he not the villain then? Because im not hearing anyone say something about Rowan.
I still don't like Bianca lol, the "misunderstood villain" just doesn't work for me. I still gotta finish the series but my opinion will remain the same for now. Edit: Hello, I have finished the series now and I still don't like her LOL, and just to clarify, I don't hate her character, but I don't like it either, I'm more neutral towards her, and ignoring how biased this commenter is towards her, she still did some nasty things (and I'm not talking about things *towards* Wednesday but in general) and that's what I don't like about her.
@@skarlet9104 yeah but how is she actually a villain when she just retorts back at wednesday's blunt remarks? How is Bianca a villain when during episode 1 all she did was: - make some remarks about the new girl based on gossip that she killed someone. Actually Ajax even said Wednesday ate the people she killed so why is no one saying Ajax is a villain? - Bianca only accepted Wednesday's duel and fought her fair and square at fencing. - Wednesday approached Bianca after Rowan died and asked her to report it. Instead of dismissing her, Bianca actually helped her and went to report to Weems and not questioned Wednesday's honesty whether it was nonsense. I am not saying she is purely good as well but considering her a villain during this time, people are exaggerating. Rowan actually tried to kill Wednesday, is he not the villain then?
@@raylenerobin I just said villain as an example, it would actually be "misunderstood character" or something along those lines, I said misunderstood villain because that's the most common tbh.
@@skarlet9104 okay that would be better. I would also consider her as a grey character. Just like Weems, The Sherrrif, Ajax, etc. Villains would be the killers, The monster & Rowan for trying to kill Wed twice.
The lesson for Wednesday: Just because her mother and father fence to flirt doesn't make her an expert. Although she *is* good, there are people who are *equally* good and then it just comes down to the question of who makes the first mistake.
Actually it was awhole bunch of people that sat in a room that wrote this for fictional characters for a paycheck the lesson learned is making up dumb shit will get you paid
Plz even riccis didnt do any physical work. She is a flake and dork. She at the camp in family values she didnt do jack but run her mouth. Now they want Wednesday the new blk widow
How this scene would play out in real life: Wednesday: [wears black gear into gym] The other people wearing black: aight, bet Everyone having unique parts of their gear (flags, names, stamps, etc.): aight, bet Wednesday: [walks across mats while people are actively fencing] The fencers on the mat: Ayo, what the heck? rude. Wednesday and opponent: [keeping their points everywhere other than on their opponent] All the fencers on the sidelines giving constructive criticism: Hey, stop flinging your blade everywhere, keep the tip on the opponent! Wednesday: [continuously turns her back to her opponent] Ref: [issues her a black card after several reds] Wednesday: Winner draws first blood Ref: Like hell they will. Young lady, please leave my gym.
Wednesday might as well have said, "Oh, you're the stereotypical antagonist character that turns up in all these types of shows; just cast differently."
I love how Wednesday fighting style gravely changed after she has challenged Bianca to a "winner draws first blood" challenge. Wednesday fighting style becomes more circular and contains some elements of Wu Shu. Especially at 2:24 you can see how she does that somersault jump to dodge. Uncle Fester taught her very well!
Look at Bianca's smile at the end. She was so happy. That she actually had to try for once. Im glad that Wednesday lost this fight. It's so annoying the cliche of the new kid coming in dominating everyone on their first day.
I love Xavier in this scene !! When he first notices Wednesday, he takes off his helmet !! And he staring at her when she wins the first round !! She lost but he still admired something about her !! 😊😊
My new favourite character. Wednesday Addams. Jenna Ortega is one of the best actresses EVER. Wednesday is quite to role model, no? Self-contained, pragmatic and sovereign.
0:37 "And you must be the self appointed Queen Bee. Interesting thing about bees, pull out their stingers and they drop dead!" GIRLIE THAT WAS AMAZING!
@@MaricatStar yep, if the Queen Bee (in the human world) is always with sidekicks that's because she's enabled to do things by herself (except laying eggs)
The fist two bouts are perfect. Sadly, after removing the masks it's all spinning and no fencing :( The final hit is clearly out of distance, because Bianca at the end presents her saber point-in-line and it's clearly too far from Wednesday's face while after getting hit none of the girls moved their feet.
@Tin Watchman What? No, the moves they used in the first two rounds could be extended with moves that are prohibited by fencing rules, like, cross-stepping, fleche, grapling... instead they forgot all their fencing moves and started spinning like a witchers xD
Everybody’s saying how cool this scene was to make Wednesday lose but I’m just looking at how unrealistic this is, they went off the mat and the were fighting like it was actual swords. Not only that but a fencing teacher would never allow that to happen no matter what. Also even when they were on the mat they were still not fencing correctly but then again it’s a show that has a giant goblin and for some reason the school isn’t put on lockdown when the murders start happening 🤘
Just watched the clip, I love how Thing is portrayed, such attention to detail with e stitches and the guy who was beaten at fencing in the beginning using his inhaler..!! Brilliant, I thought this was at the cinema and now i find its aseries on Netflix gonna have to watch it
This is good. Wensday is an actuall interesting story not a bland tenage power fantasy as a lot magic shool franchises it has bern compered to often are.
I remember reading that the stunt double for Pris in Bladerunner was a man, the bit where she tumbles and grabs Deckard in between her legs, I`ve slowed it down and i cant tell...!!
I watched an interview yesterday - Jenna Ortega does her own stunts! I was shocked. Not a lot of actors/actresses will do their own but Jenna did all these moves !
When Wednesday said “And you must be the self appointed queen bee. Interesting thing about bees, pull out their stingers and they drop dead,” I was like “damnnnn”! That’s probably my favorite line. Amazing roast lol!
Fencer here. The second part of the duel is not realistic to the sport ofcourse but the first one is kinda accurate; their footwork that is. However the wear uniforms suitable for epee swords (one of the three swords in fencing) but their swords are sabers. Their play style also looks more like saber fencing and the fact that a point was counted when the right-side hit the blade with the side of it on top of the mask is also a sign of saber play. So I think they are playing a saber game but with epee clothing
@@maggiesullman3804 yeah. Ofc, just saying in case someone was wondering. It is generally nice for a show to be accurate. It looks complete. Also I was talking about the rules of fencing and they could use trained stuntmans
Where do I start? They wouldn't be using pointed tips and they absolutely would not be allowed to fence without their masks, *especially* if they were - for some reason - using pointed tips.
Tbf, this is in a school for outcasts, so maybe they use more dangerous instruments as a normal thing. In the original Addams Family, Wednesday and her brother used to light off rockets and grenades for fun. Actually, they do that here too in the scene at the lake.
The amount of people stating that the fencing scene is so unrealistic YET not saying a peep about monsters throughout the series are the most cringiest comments ever.
I mean yeah she's only 15-16 years old so of course she still has some to learn, though it's mentioned in episode 5 that Gomez started teaching her when she was little W: "how many fathers hand their daughter a fencing blade when she's five years old?" G: "your sabre strokes were an essay, in perfection" It's a really sweet moment between them
The way fencing is portrayed in film is usually stupid. The equivalent would be like watching a high stakes chess game and they start throwing the pieces at each other to decide who wins. That's not remotely how chess is played. It would have been way more cool if they did it the right way.
I know that I’m late but, as a fencer, I don’t get how Jenna took fencing lessons for this. I get how maybe she didn’t know how to hold it but real lessons for that is wild. 1. You can’t go off the strip 2. You can’t switch sides or it’s a halt 3. You have to have good posture/position 4. You have to go back to your original spots after you score a point 5. You can’t do aerials/flips on the strip 6. You HAVE to wear a mask, there is no exception. Who knows how the coach let that fly. Overall, it’s not at all accurate
Wednesday really treated this place like a prison. First thing to do is beat up the strongest one there to exert dominance. Didn't work in this case... Been on the backfoot ever since, always needing to keep one eye open.
i just finished watching the whole series and i thought it was great. i would love to see a rematch between wednesday and bianca but then become this unstoppable team with xavier, enid, and eugene. i love those characters.
Cool scene. Wish they did actual fencing though. Especially since this takes place in modern times. Anyone who does actual fencing doesn't fence like that. Still, cool scene.
You would be carded or banned if you tried this in a real fencing club. The only way this would be acceptable is if it was coach approved. Likewise Wednesday is wearing a coaches outfit. Unless it was purely for practice it would not be allowed. Don't get me started on the kicking........
some small inaccuracies: - Refs/coaches don't say "en garde" to make fencers put on their mask, they are expected to wear them before that. "En garde" signals the fencers to assume the ready position, with "Allez" signalling the start of the bout. - Yes, if you fall it's your fault even if the opponent somehow "tripped" you. That's why people in fencing are taught footwork first and actual fencing later. Even with that, falling doesn't automatically means the opponent won, it simply stops and resets the bout - Even in first-blood-drawn fencing duels (according to old military officers' manuals, which my father did study when he was an Army officer) you are not allowed to either show your back to the opponent (so no twirling) nor you are allowed to step off the lane even with one foot. That would be considered ungentlemanly and you'd lose the duel by default (which would be even worse because it would mean you weren't a gentleman officer) - "No tips" wasn't a thing in military duels, no rule said you could only slash, which is why even in old military duels, even if you didn't have full masks, you had protection for torso, neck and eyes - No, even in old military duels kicking was not allowed - Sabre fencing doesn't count legs as targets so they wouldn't have had to guard for attack against them. The allowed areas are head, torso and arms. Swords (epèe) instead is free-for-all, but you can only strike with the tip. - A standard olympic fencing sabre doesn't leave a clean cut like that (nor does the sword or rapier), they are designed specifically not to. Sure, they can leave a very nasty bruise, maybe some surface scarification in addition, but you can't make that kind of cut - Being struck with a fencing weapon like that hurts like a bitch
Rules that ban moves for being too powerful or dangerous weaken the realism of the training. Because the ultimate goal is to win against enemies that obey no rules, whether in war or private fights.
@@johndododoe1411 woah ok mr. BladeMaster69420 careful not to cut yourself on all that edge, and remember to take your trenchcoat, fedora and complementary Amazon katana when you leave. We started to put rules in fencing when it became a sport, and fencing became a sport because in the era of machineguns, air bombers, artillery and hand grenades you don't even have the time to heroically unsheathe your fine sabre that your fellows need to pick you up with a mop and bucket
It was admirable for me that the creators of Wednesday broke the cliché of the protagonist beating her rival in her first confrontation. And frankly I deduced right that Wednesday would lose to Bianca in that first duel, I unconsciously deduced that way.
I'm starting this series tonight, and I really hope that this scene continues on where Bianca laughs but then clutches her lower back, and it focuses on Wednesday's foil as she brings it into frame and blood drips off the tip.
As a fencer I think it's a fairly good scene in terms of how real it looks. Although the moves are kinda exaggerated and cinematic, it's well done compared to others. Let's just not talk about the last slash ok?....
I don't know which "sword" fight is written worst. This or that red room fight from the Last Jedi. Those useless spins when they could just as well strike their opponent instead are really frustrating
There's a long comment from someone whose name starts with T explaining that there may be a reason in the story why Wednesday did those silly things and how that lead to the experienced fencer winning by not doing such silly moves.
@@johndododoe1411 The problem is that Bianca, which I assume you called an experienced fencer, does those silly moves too. In 2:17 she had a clear shot but decided to spin anyway. Not to mention the final strike which Wendnesday had plenty of time to block.
@@shymaniac Tell that to the person whose name starts with T. They wrote that long comment about how it works in the story and isn't a filmmaking mistake.
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I like the way this scene was choreographed. Though Wednesday lost the match, she still made her point to everyone (and especially Bianca) that she's a force to be reckoned with.
its okay
She's smaller and has less muscle more agility and flexibility. Bianca is a giant compared to her and physically stronger (my favorite kind of lady honestly!) as well as having a comanding presence. And Wednesday made her move. She made her flinch.
@@lovinavargas-carriedo2698 good info. thank u
Naw, y'all just hate when the arrogant mothe'fucke' backs up their shit. Wednesday was a challenge which she asked for, and Wednesday push the matter and lost. Yes, Wednesday showed she was a force to be recond with, but still got slapped down by someone though arrogant, still was her better. At least for now.
Poorly choreographed. Too much spinning and too much gymnastics. Too ‘Hollywood’. A sabre duel to first blood should be full of tension, not acrobatics.
"He isn't hopeless, he's lazy..."
This is a nice hint of Bianca's true character. She's not just a jerk or mean for the sake of mean. She's the best, but also someone who notes the quality of others and seeks unorthodox means to draw it out. She's an apex trying to drag other's up to her level.
but be careful with that mindset, i like that she's not mean just to be mean, but she also doesn't understand other people's lives
@@abcd18802 treat people equally but at the same time indivually
@@abcd18802 yes. She is genuinely happy to face people on her level. She is likely someone who really struggles socially to understand people.
But she cheats in other games! so you’re wrong
@@patb00y there was no rules
I think she was happy because she got a "real" competition
I actually love her smile at the end it gave off the “I think we’re gonna be great frenemies” vibe 🥺☺️
"I'll be waiting for our next match"
I knew that momwnt bianca started to like her
Yes.
@@babycakenerds zbxzm
I loved that Wednesday was actually shocked that someone managed to cut her. I binge-watched this entire series in a day! I thoroughly enjoyed it.
I tried to ration myself ......yeah that didn't work
A slave of Netflix you are.
@@oldguy3027yeah finishe sun less then 24 Hours
@@crvladI am a slave to technology. I have reached Wednesdays expectations.
@@oldguy3027 I managed to do it successfully
One of the many things I love about Nevermore is how Wednesday was allowed to pick her own costume/color palette although her dress didn’t uniform with others'.
She was principal favorite after all
She has allergies
She shouldn’t have been able to. The black uniform is specifically for a fencing coach..
@@aviphoria Yeah, black is the only color banned on fencers' uniforms.
While it's okay for practice you can't compete in a coaches outfit- it's hard to see a hit and difficult for the referees.
Wednesday losing the fight here was a mark of good hero design. You need to let your characters fail, especially when they are confident. It shows your audience they are human and can bleed and sometimes it humbles them...other times it just makes them more determined. Either way it's a good show.
Exactly
Im glad they didnt give her the Mulan 2020 treatment. A character who has room to grow keeps a series alive.
@@upy0ur5 tell that to one punch man lol. But I agree I prefer my main characters to have limits. Make the growth better
Facts. Why I loved one piece. Luffy lost battles
@@blakex2699 Its supposed to be a comedy but I honestly cant help but root for Genos.
This was honestly my favourite Netflix series of the year!! The cast all did such a good job owning their roles. Especially Jenna she shined as Wednesday. The story and especially the writing the dialogue so funny and fresh!
Jenna "shined " as Wednesday is not a compliment mate :D
@@aaronjames6578 she meant it as a compliment so it was indeed a compliment
@@jamesha175 "shined" ??? Wednesday ??? ... seems like an insult to me
@@aaronjames6578 Jenna killed it in the babysitter sequel
@@jessec3974 respect brodah
Lesson: don't assume arrogance means unskilled..some people really can back up what they say... Side note: I am loving Wednesday's black fencing outfit... my first thought was immediately Yes
Floyd Mayweather?
@@jasperj0729 exactly
This is true... I have met people that are arrogant but they are really skilled in their field...
But Bianca knew that she faced a worthy opponent as well.
At a certain point, it stops being arrogance and becomes objectivity.
This was a great way to De-Mary Sue Wednesday as a character. A superb job by the writers.
I agree, shes more human this way
@dooraymarshall6436 You are clearly another sad wannabe-aggrieved moron, but yes, she is absolutely excellent at everything she does, no matter what it is. She absolutely stabs and poisons and injures and sics piranha on and electrocutes people. The reason she doesn't kill people in the shows and movies (in fact, none of them really do despite endlessly doing things that should) is because then they wouldn't be quirky evil dangerous, but serial killers. The fact they stick to harming rude or annoying people (for instance, yourself) would not change that. Having a pile of bodies around them would be bad for their endearing personalities that are key to their popularity.
Who would ever think Wednesday is a Mary sue 😂
@@jacobplays6917 Now she clearly isnt, and its nice
@@jacobplays6917 Anyone who knew what it meant.
I like the fact that she didn't win, because it would be too cliché if she did.
in her mind it feels good
Of course she lost - the opponent is not a white man.
Ya and it wouldnt really make sense her beating the best fencer there
I also liked it, she being good at everything and allways getting her way was becoming boring.
One of the best parts of the series was that Wednesday was not infaillible. She made lots of mistakes and stumbled more than a few times. Just witness how many times she pointed to the wrong person as the mastermind/monster. She was overconfident and it bit her on the butt. Hopefully she'll learn.
This might be strange to say, but I appreciate that Wednesday does something villainous and gets punished for it. It's good to make sure the MC it's a flawless person both physically and personally
This is actually a pretty excellent scene:
Wednesday, true to form, acts as an Agent of Vengeance in defending the weak (Rowan) against the strong (Bianca), first with trading verbal barbs, with the added metaphor of her rapier as a stinger; that's actually characteristic of The Addams sense of honor. When the challenge turns physical, she fights in traditional formation to 2 effects--1) it allows her to exploit Bianca's underestimation of her to get the first hit, 2) enhances Bianca's ego by allowing Bianca to use that formation to get the second hit. Then, she flips the script by abandoning linear stances into loose formation, giving her the upper hand as Bianca is likely unaccustomed to combat maneuvering. Then, Wednesday actually loses, which subverts the narrative expectation.
Wednesday's mistake was being impractical and aggressive. She assumed that Bianca's ego masked some ineptitude, and so Wednesday focused too much effort on humiliating flair while Bianca focused on pragmatic tactics. Every misstep Wednesday made was by trying to match her opponent's energy instead of forcing her opponent to match hers--Bianca is bold and aggressive, Wednesday is always subdued and precise. By taking the aggressive approach, Wednesday opened herself up to positions that made Bianca's hits possible. Had she adopted a strategy reflective of her personality, Bianca would have had to make all the gambits, thus making her vulnerable to Wednesday's ripostes.
I also like that Wednesday's "psychopathy" makes her an outcast. These Nevermore cryptids are fairly conventional people so a normal human with inhuman psychology unnerves even them. Unfortunately, this scene kind of proves that Wednesday ISN'T a psychopath: if she was, she wouldn't care about Rowan or feel the need to defend him.
She is a bit coded as nevro divergent and not as a psykopath.
@@edj8008 It's been a question for some time. She did bury Tully & Mrs. Craven alive with Pugsley in the first movie and she almost killed that kid at her last school. Her fascination with serial killers also indicates she has the inclination.
There is no rapier in this scene. They fight with sport sabers.
suck footage, this is not real sabre fencing
unless of coruse it's a property dispute. allowing someone not under her control to mess with someone she considered HERS is something she woudn't countenance. that doens't mean there's actual empathy.
"Your face finally got that splash of color it so desperately needed."
And that smile 😂 I love Bianca.
Right she's so beautiful
I don’t mind Bianca. She isn’t like Wednesday’s enemy or nemesis, she’s just her rival/competition. They don’t get along, but they don’t hate each other or try to go out of their way to hurt each other. Unless it’s in a competition. I actually think they have an interesting dynamic, I could see them becoming frienemy rivals. Like one of them gets in trouble and the other saves them, and they have a friendly moment before going back to there aggressive retorts. Like an “I hate you, but I don’t want you to get hurt.” kind of thing, I think it could have a lot of potential.
@@glazier6040 think you didnt finished the series yet, cuz they become sort of it later.
Bit racist like
@@deaconworcestershire93 It's not racist. It's because Wednesday is inhumanly pale, and only wears black.
Many audience misunderstood Bianca here, they thought she was bullying Rowan because she's a crass or blunt. In reality she gives him respect by acknowledging that he isn't helpless. Infact Rowan is one of the most powerful people in the school with his powers and it's possible it is the other students, or the audience who underestimate him, not Bianca.
How is Bianca a villain when during episode 1 all she did was:
- make some remarks about the new girl based on gossip that she killed someone. Actually Ajax even said Wednesday ate the people she killed so why is no one saying Ajax is a villain?
- Bianca only accepted Wednesday's duel and fought her fair and square at fencing.
- Wednesday approached Bianca after Rowan died and asked her to report it. Instead of dismissing her, Bianca actually helped her and went to report to Weems and not questioned Wednesday's honesty whether it was nonsense.
I am not saying she is purely good as well but considering her a villain during this time, people are exaggerating. Rowan actually tried to kill Wednesday twice! is he not the villain then? Because im not hearing anyone say something about Rowan.
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I still don't like Bianca lol, the "misunderstood villain" just doesn't work for me. I still gotta finish the series but my opinion will remain the same for now.
Edit: Hello, I have finished the series now and I still don't like her LOL, and just to clarify, I don't hate her character, but I don't like it either, I'm more neutral towards her, and ignoring how biased this commenter is towards her, she still did some nasty things (and I'm not talking about things *towards* Wednesday but in general) and that's what I don't like about her.
@@skarlet9104 yeah but how is she actually a villain when she just retorts back at wednesday's blunt remarks?
How is Bianca a villain when during episode 1 all she did was:
- make some remarks about the new girl based on gossip that she killed someone. Actually Ajax even said Wednesday ate the people she killed so why is no one saying Ajax is a villain?
- Bianca only accepted Wednesday's duel and fought her fair and square at fencing.
- Wednesday approached Bianca after Rowan died and asked her to report it. Instead of dismissing her, Bianca actually helped her and went to report to Weems and not questioned Wednesday's honesty whether it was nonsense.
I am not saying she is purely good as well but considering her a villain during this time, people are exaggerating. Rowan actually tried to kill Wednesday, is he not the villain then?
@@raylenerobin I just said villain as an example, it would actually be "misunderstood character" or something along those lines, I said misunderstood villain because that's the most common tbh.
@@skarlet9104 okay that would be better. I would also consider her as a grey character. Just like Weems, The Sherrrif, Ajax, etc. Villains would be the killers, The monster & Rowan for trying to kill Wed twice.
The lesson for Wednesday: Just because her mother and father fence to flirt doesn't make her an expert. Although she *is* good, there are people who are *equally* good and then it just comes down to the question of who makes the first mistake.
That was also the lesson for Bianca, the first point was beautifully executed
Actually it was awhole bunch of people that sat in a room that wrote this for fictional characters for a paycheck the lesson learned is making up dumb shit will get you paid
They could easily fence again, and with a different outcome.
Plz even riccis didnt do any physical work. She is a flake and dork. She at the camp in family values she didnt do jack but run her mouth. Now they want Wednesday the new blk widow
Why should there be a lesson in everything?
How this scene would play out in real life:
Wednesday: [wears black gear into gym]
The other people wearing black: aight, bet
Everyone having unique parts of their gear (flags, names, stamps, etc.): aight, bet
Wednesday: [walks across mats while people are actively fencing]
The fencers on the mat: Ayo, what the heck? rude.
Wednesday and opponent: [keeping their points everywhere other than on their opponent]
All the fencers on the sidelines giving constructive criticism: Hey, stop flinging your blade everywhere, keep the tip on the opponent!
Wednesday: [continuously turns her back to her opponent]
Ref: [issues her a black card after several reds]
Wednesday: Winner draws first blood
Ref: Like hell they will. Young lady, please leave my gym.
The way she looks at Xavier is funny and dead serious 😂
Bianxa4: "Oh you must be the psychopath they let in!"
Wednesday: "And you must be the self appointend queen bee. "
UGH THIS IS MY 2ND FAVOURITE QUOTE
Wednesday might as well have said, "Oh, you're the stereotypical antagonist character that turns up in all these types of shows; just cast differently."
@@jetubertim burton is not a 4th wall breaker, but i agree, that would be cool af
@@jetuber What's "stereotypical" about her?
@@jetuberum no, bianca wasn’t an antagonist.
She lost but sometimes the point is to challenge the unchallenged
It's not really about winning the fight but to proof to ourselves we're not coward
Because coward they don't live they just there
Bianca probably has found her worthy opponent
this fencing style is ancient
I love how Wednesday fighting style gravely changed after she has challenged Bianca to a "winner draws first blood" challenge. Wednesday fighting style becomes more circular and contains some elements of Wu Shu. Especially at 2:24 you can see how she does that somersault jump to dodge. Uncle Fester taught her very well!
Yes. I believe that trick she did to dodge is called an ariel
think that makes you lose right of way but im an epee player so what do i know
I love how Xavier is just standing in the back watching.🤣cant wait for second season
Look at Bianca's smile at the end. She was so happy. That she actually had to try for once.
Im glad that Wednesday lost this fight. It's so annoying the cliche of the new kid coming in dominating everyone on their first day.
Me too, I was happy she lost
Imagine Bianca cut off one of Wednesday‘s braids💀
I LAUGHED LMFAO
I can't gureented you safety🤣
I GIGGLED HELP
And that's the last time we ever saw Bianca lol
as a fencer.. i can confirm i have done that b4💀😭
I admire the rivalry between these two
I love Xavier in this scene !! When he first notices Wednesday, he takes off his helmet !! And he staring at her when she wins the first round !! She lost but he still admired something about her !! 😊😊
My new favourite character. Wednesday Addams. Jenna Ortega is one of the best actresses EVER. Wednesday is quite to role model, no? Self-contained, pragmatic and sovereign.
Just when we were prepared to hate Bianca, she pulled through. Love her!
Don't judge people with their first impression ,get to know them much longer , you'll surprised what you find out
Me too i love her
0:37 "And you must be the self appointed Queen Bee. Interesting thing about bees, pull out their stingers and they drop dead!" GIRLIE THAT WAS AMAZING!
But funny because the queen bee doesn't have stinger and fly really bad
@@a.g.demada5263 That was funny
@@MaricatStar yep, if the Queen Bee (in the human world) is always with sidekicks that's because she's enabled to do things by herself (except laying eggs)
@@a.g.demada5263 Nice
I am a fencer so the second she said no masks/ tips I was like gurl what 😮
Me, I prayed fois her losing 😅
The fist two bouts are perfect. Sadly, after removing the masks it's all spinning and no fencing :( The final hit is clearly out of distance, because Bianca at the end presents her saber point-in-line and it's clearly too far from Wednesday's face while after getting hit none of the girls moved their feet.
I think professional fencers substituted in the first two matches.
@@dabouras Still choreography in the last one is terrible like ameteurs were not only doing it but also inventing it.
@Tin Watchman What? No, the moves they used in the first two rounds could be extended with moves that are prohibited by fencing rules, like, cross-stepping, fleche, grapling... instead they forgot all their fencing moves and started spinning like a witchers xD
They didn't reset to the middle of the piste after the first bout.
yeah, the fact that it’s never that long and that they never go back in position stress me out 😅
I hate how much I love this show. I would hate to see more seasons!
Stop hating
1:15 PERCY MY BOY 😭😂🤣😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣😂🤣
As a fencer, this is hilarious 😂😂 they have no idea what they're doing
As a HEMA fencer all the twirling their doing is insane.lmao
As a sabreist/foilist, im dead
Wooooooooooow 💕🤩💕🤩💕 nice fight ❤🎉❤
I love this scene, fencing honestly looks like so much fun, Wednesday is a tough one😉
as a fencer im adding wednesday to my long list of shows/movies/books that tried to portray fencing and failed miserably. this hurts my eyes
Haha pretty sure every fencer has a very very long list of those films/shows/books.
Everybody’s saying how cool this scene was to make Wednesday lose but I’m just looking at how unrealistic this is, they went off the mat and the were fighting like it was actual swords. Not only that but a fencing teacher would never allow that to happen no matter what. Also even when they were on the mat they were still not fencing correctly but then again it’s a show that has a giant goblin and for some reason the school isn’t put on lockdown when the murders start happening 🤘
I absolutely love fencing ⚔️🗡️🖤
Definitely works on your coordination, cardio and the ladies love it too 🖤
I'm sold!
Just watched the clip, I love how Thing is portrayed, such attention to detail with e stitches and the guy who was beaten at fencing in the beginning using his inhaler..!! Brilliant, I thought this was at the cinema and now i find its aseries on Netflix gonna have to watch it
this is some zesty fencing
i cant wait for season 2! we need it asap..
This is good. Wensday is an actuall interesting story not a bland tenage power fantasy as a lot magic shool franchises it has bern compered to often are.
Sorry about the spelling Dyslectic
These two would hate to admit it, but they’re more alike than they think.
I mean they end up being friends
Oh my God!! Her full toothed grin at the end!!
I'm in love with you BIANCA!!!😭😭😭
Wednesday stunt double, Jenny Ayumi, is incredible. ❤❤❤
I remember reading that the stunt double for Pris in Bladerunner was a man, the bit where she tumbles and grabs Deckard in between her legs, I`ve slowed it down and i cant tell...!!
I watched an interview yesterday - Jenna Ortega does her own stunts! I was shocked. Not a lot of actors/actresses will do their own but Jenna did all these moves !
Look up Jenny Ayumi
When Wednesday said “And you must be the self appointed queen bee. Interesting thing about bees, pull out their stingers and they drop dead,” I was like “damnnnn”! That’s probably my favorite line. Amazing roast lol!
But Bianca landed a pretty good one in the end.
This was eye twitching Wednesday doesn't lose in fencing lol she doesn't really lose at anything
The way she learned all of that from fencing is incredible its amazing how she learned it!
I have to say that this girl
is the coolest Wednesday Adams yet. Imagine how much cooler she would be if she was cast as Emily the Strange. ☺️
Or maybe Alice Maness Return
Fencer here. The second part of the duel is not realistic to the sport ofcourse but the first one is kinda accurate; their footwork that is. However the wear uniforms suitable for epee swords (one of the three swords in fencing) but their swords are sabers. Their play style also looks more like saber fencing and the fact that a point was counted when the right-side hit the blade with the side of it on top of the mask is also a sign of saber play. So I think they are playing a saber game but with epee clothing
Um, there's no point critiquing this because it's just a show. It doesn't have to look so accurate. Neither of them are professional fencers, smh...
@@maggiesullman3804 yeah. Ofc, just saying in case someone was wondering. It is generally nice for a show to be accurate. It looks complete. Also I was talking about the rules of fencing and they could use trained stuntmans
@@krupt5995 yeah, the fact that it’s never that long and that they never go back in position stras me out 😅
Wow! That was pretty epic.
I love the bee reference given everything that transpired around bees later on in the series 😊😊
Where do I start? They wouldn't be using pointed tips and they absolutely would not be allowed to fence without their masks, *especially* if they were - for some reason - using pointed tips.
Tbf, this is in a school for outcasts, so maybe they use more dangerous instruments as a normal thing.
In the original Addams Family, Wednesday and her brother used to light off rockets and grenades for fun. Actually, they do that here too in the scene at the lake.
@@GRNKRBY Yeah I can see them doing that, but not a school allowing it. The world around them should act pretty normal.
He isn't hopeless, he's lazy
EMOTIONAL DAMAGE😅
This was an Amazing show, brilliant
Netflix: "People like the show! Quick someone announce its canceled!"
I just seen the first episode. I impressed
I forgot how cool Wednesday was. Need to see it now.
Next season, Wednesday will win
The amount of people stating that the fencing scene is so unrealistic YET not saying a peep about monsters throughout the series are the most cringiest comments ever.
This is one of the best scenes of the show
We all expected Wednesday to win but the writers subverted our expectations by making Bianca win
So excited for season two
Wednesday always slay in every episode
Rather, here she is slain.
lol they are using a Sabre but in epee fencing clothing lol
Well shot well choreographed scene. But as someone who fenced for 8 years and did sabre. It makes me want to die.
That flip at 2:25 was 🔥🔥🔥
Although Wednesday had quite the teacher, being Gomez who's notoriously an expert fencer, but it seems Wednesday still has much to learn.
Wednesday underestimated her opponent. For all of her arrogance the other girl took Wednesday seriously and didn't mess around.
I mean yeah she's only 15-16 years old so of course she still has some to learn, though it's mentioned in episode 5 that Gomez started teaching her when she was little
W: "how many fathers hand their daughter a fencing blade when she's five years old?"
G: "your sabre strokes were an essay, in perfection"
It's a really sweet moment between them
Who knew Wednesday could do gymnastics tricks like a back handspring or an aerial?!
Well, if you remember of Gomez's atheltic skills we can say she inherited that from him
Brilliant series! Binge-watched all 9 episodes this weekend..
As a fencer this is the most stupidest and funniest fencing match ive ever seen
They made it entertaining because fencing is boring.
The way fencing is portrayed in film is usually stupid. The equivalent would be like watching a high stakes chess game and they start throwing the pieces at each other to decide who wins. That's not remotely how chess is played.
It would have been way more cool if they did it the right way.
This wasn’t fencing.
It was a lightsaber battle.
I saw right through it.
@@A_Distant_Life they portrayed it better. Notice that no one watches Fencing in olympics? Because it's a boring sport.
second season immediately pleeeeease
amazing performance. great fight and dialogues.
The chemistry here 👀
Awesome duel, those 2 really have skill
I love Bianca’s quotes
I wonder if Wednesday gets her rematch on season 2
I would have loved to have seen Wednesday use Gomez's finishing move on Tully from the first movie
I know that I’m late but, as a fencer, I don’t get how Jenna took fencing lessons for this. I get how maybe she didn’t know how to hold it but real lessons for that is wild. 1. You can’t go off the strip 2. You can’t switch sides or it’s a halt 3. You have to have good posture/position 4. You have to go back to your original spots after you score a point 5. You can’t do aerials/flips on the strip 6. You HAVE to wear a mask, there is no exception. Who knows how the coach let that fly. Overall, it’s not at all accurate
Wednesday really treated this place like a prison. First thing to do is beat up the strongest one there to exert dominance. Didn't work in this case... Been on the backfoot ever since, always needing to keep one eye open.
Like from the movie big stan, no? Reference
i just finished watching the whole series and i thought it was great. i would love to see a rematch between wednesday and bianca but then become this unstoppable team with xavier, enid, and eugene. i love those characters.
Bianca and Wednesday are the most gorgeous people i have ever seen
I love that side cart wheel she does at 2:22. Cool as fuck, tactically stupid.
It’s actually called a side aerial
Love it💜
Bianca: Finally, a worthy opponent!
Cool scene. Wish they did actual fencing though. Especially since this takes place in modern times. Anyone who does actual fencing doesn't fence like that. Still, cool scene.
I like the way this ended, the expectation was that Wed was gonna win
Okay. This sold me on the show. Gonna finally give it a watch
2:19 thats a total Jedi move right there.
Just watched all episodes of Wednesday great I l laughed and cryed alot the best 💋❣️💯
0:03 she looked at Xavier 😍
You would be carded or banned if you tried this in a real fencing club. The only way this would be acceptable is if it was coach approved. Likewise Wednesday is wearing a coaches outfit. Unless it was purely for practice it would not be allowed. Don't get me started on the kicking........
some small inaccuracies:
- Refs/coaches don't say "en garde" to make fencers put on their mask, they are expected to wear them before that. "En garde" signals the fencers to assume the ready position, with "Allez" signalling the start of the bout.
- Yes, if you fall it's your fault even if the opponent somehow "tripped" you. That's why people in fencing are taught footwork first and actual fencing later. Even with that, falling doesn't automatically means the opponent won, it simply stops and resets the bout
- Even in first-blood-drawn fencing duels (according to old military officers' manuals, which my father did study when he was an Army officer) you are not allowed to either show your back to the opponent (so no twirling) nor you are allowed to step off the lane even with one foot. That would be considered ungentlemanly and you'd lose the duel by default (which would be even worse because it would mean you weren't a gentleman officer)
- "No tips" wasn't a thing in military duels, no rule said you could only slash, which is why even in old military duels, even if you didn't have full masks, you had protection for torso, neck and eyes
- No, even in old military duels kicking was not allowed
- Sabre fencing doesn't count legs as targets so they wouldn't have had to guard for attack against them. The allowed areas are head, torso and arms. Swords (epèe) instead is free-for-all, but you can only strike with the tip.
- A standard olympic fencing sabre doesn't leave a clean cut like that (nor does the sword or rapier), they are designed specifically not to. Sure, they can leave a very nasty bruise, maybe some surface scarification in addition, but you can't make that kind of cut
- Being struck with a fencing weapon like that hurts like a bitch
épée* but the rest is gud :D Thanks for bringin us enlightenment
Rules that ban moves for being too powerful or dangerous weaken the realism of the training. Because the ultimate goal is to win against enemies that obey no rules, whether in war or private fights.
@@johndododoe1411 woah ok mr. BladeMaster69420 careful not to cut yourself on all that edge, and remember to take your trenchcoat, fedora and complementary Amazon katana when you leave.
We started to put rules in fencing when it became a sport, and fencing became a sport because in the era of machineguns, air bombers, artillery and hand grenades you don't even have the time to heroically unsheathe your fine sabre that your fellows need to pick you up with a mop and bucket
@@johndododoe1411 You don't do fencing to win a war, you do fencing to have fun and play a sport
Even antagonist deserves to SHINE like Bees!
It was admirable for me that the creators of Wednesday broke the cliché of the protagonist beating her rival in her first confrontation.
And frankly I deduced right that Wednesday would lose to Bianca in that first duel, I unconsciously deduced that way.
Oh, me too I was glad she lost
The sceneeee❤❤❤
Would love to see you ladies wearing white karate gi’s and black belts demonstrating self defence techniques against a male attacker !
Hey fencing people! Did you noticed the left-handed guy in the background?
I'm starting this series tonight, and I really hope that this scene continues on where Bianca laughs but then clutches her lower back, and it focuses on Wednesday's foil as she brings it into frame and blood drips off the tip.
That's a sabre, not a foil.
As a fencer I think it's a fairly good scene in terms of how real it looks. Although the moves are kinda exaggerated and cinematic, it's well done compared to others. Let's just not talk about the last slash ok?....
I don't know which "sword" fight is written worst. This or that red room fight from the Last Jedi. Those useless spins when they could just as well strike their opponent instead are really frustrating
Agreed. It's ubiquitous now and always ridiculous.
There's a long comment from someone whose name starts with T explaining that there may be a reason in the story why Wednesday did those silly things and how that lead to the experienced fencer winning by not doing such silly moves.
@@johndododoe1411 The problem is that Bianca, which I assume you called an experienced fencer, does those silly moves too. In 2:17 she had a clear shot but decided to spin anyway. Not to mention the final strike which Wendnesday had plenty of time to block.
@@shymaniac Tell that to the person whose name starts with T. They wrote that long comment about how it works in the story and isn't a filmmaking mistake.
@@shymaniacbitching won’t change anything
LOVE Wednesday 🖤🖤🖤