front and rear turn signals would be nice. is there a reason why the headlights in these bikes are all connected to the fender instead of to the frame? if it’s the cables, they could probably arrange the cable management. on the fender you got a lot of road vibration and movement with the suspension.
All good stuff, Citizen. The second charger and seatpost are thoughtful additions by Wired. One other point about battery combiners is that they also work even if the batteries are at different charge levels. It will just use the battery with the most voltage until it drops to the same charge level as the other battery, and then it will draw from both batteries.
Thanks, was wondering about that! Was also wondering if the bike can run off of just the rear battery, the main battery not installed. And for that matter, if you could have the rear battery in its dock but not all the way seated. As a side note, for those of us that want a bicycle/motorcyle for riding in street traffic, this bike has the acceleration and top speed to be safe in traffic, but if you're talking 50-75 or more miles running at 30-40mph, the range test I saw at higher speeds indicated that it'd take TWICE as much battery power to go 75 miles. It's just a matter of time that this new hybrid bike/motorcycle will start appearing. Bikes like the Cruiser could conceivably have a second 20ah battery mount on the TOPSIDE of the main battery!
@randalgoat Yes, you could run it on just the rear battery. But since that pack is 15ah, it's not going to be happy trying to run the 48 amp controller at full power. Even the front 20ah battery will have significant voltage drop under load while trying to supply full power by itself. The combined 35ah of the batteries is the way to use the bike. That will let the batteries live a longer life and supply better performance while you ride. I think a realistic range estimate for this bike is 50-55 miles at a steady 35mph.
@@jimmyjames8736 Hmmmmm.... please elaborate on why running both batteries at once will help to reduce the voltage drop under load. Would you get the same performance if you were using just 1 battery, but a 35ah battery-? Yes, I've heard that sharing the load btw 2 batteries help keep it running cooler and has less wear on the battery, but you're saying it also makes it a stronger performer (greater acceleration and top speed)-? Also, do you have insights on where the performance gains for acceleration and top speed come from? Apparently, WF got better performance simply by using a 45amp controller instead of the original 40amp. And I heard somebody mention how zippy their ebikes were because they used high drain/current cells. I'm asking 'cause I've bn wondering about building a 3000-5000w hub motor bike at 72V and have bn wondering how big the controller would need to be and even if the QUANTITY of batteries would make a performance difference beyond giving you a longer range. Any other things to optimize motor performance with batteries/controller/?? There's another reviewer, Maximum Charge?, who did a distance check, and with the 20ah battery he got about 20 miles running it hard- that's about a mile per ah! That's the problem with these higher powered motors, the batteries don't begin to keep up for any distance. I grew up riding motorcycles, so every ebike I've had so far seems very underpowered!
Love seeing the competition and continual upgrades in the ebike world! I've got the previous model Freedom and really like it - I hope they go to a 72V setup next and can give me the ability to cruise consistently at 40mph for when I need to around town in traffic - but also still have the ability to ride slow at like 8mph on trails. That's the dream for me, ultimate commuter+pleasure bike at that point! While I'm at it making suggestions (in case they read this), here are some other things they might consider: - ADD MOUNTING HOLES FOR A FRONT RACK PLEASE! - Turn signals included (but make them off the shelf, easily replaceable standardized ones. No proprietary integrated turn signals please because they can break if the bike falls over.) - Change that display so polarized glasses don't affect it. - Give me more PAS levels, maybe like 7 instead of 5. So I have more granularity in speed levels. But also let me customize how many PAS levels I want enabled. So if I want 3 levels I can have that, or all 7 if I want. - Put more charge lights on the batteries. I like to charge my battery up to ~80-90% to preserve the life on it. With only 4 lights on the battery itself, I can't easily tell what percentage it's at. It could be at 51% or 70% and I can't tell without putting it in the bike and turning it on. - Maybe a tire upgrade for the speeds we're starting to get up to? I wouldn't want that to increase the weight a whole bunch though...so I'm not sure on this one. - On the topic of weight, I think we're nearly at the maximum weight for an ebike. Like, 110lbs with batteries installed should be the absolute max. Otherwise we're starting to get into motorbike territory. And no more than 90lbs without batteries IMO.
Charge the battery while it's in the bike. Turn on the controller, and you'll see the voltage level. Stop charging when you're happy. That's how I check.
I feel like most electronics are obsolete after 7 months and companies need to keep improving. Same with cars and phones etc. Now that it's nice out just try to enjoy your bike best you can.!! Positive thinking. Or, you could sell your current model, which is basically brand new. Put it towards the next model.
For the range test - max the rated weight, find the steepest hill, and go up and down that hill till your battery goes bye-bye. I can't rely on 'best case scenerio' I want to see the worts case scenerio
I am one of their first customers, have their freedom from one of the 1st batch when they were wicked. There were improvements needed and glad to see this company is doing good and gaining attraction.
Thanks for answering the PAS power vs set speed question. I'd asked before, and now we know. At least our efforts are now measurable. Including top end.
Just put in an order for a cruiser. Thanks for all the good info you put into your videos. You are actually the one that made up my mind to get a Wired ebike. Wish I would've ordered earlier to get your coupon code but I'm so stoked about the bike I really don't care at this point. Thank you and happy cycling dude.
Awesome vid, thanks for the follow up details. I actually have a question I'm pretty sure only you can answer - wired chat support didn't seem to know the answer. How much space is between the rear air shock and the frame gap that it's housed in? Would it be possible to put a D-lock or chain through there? I only ask because using the rear triangle to lock up the step-through seems sketchy since its just the rear suspension bolts keeping the lock in place (instead of a fully enclosed welded frame space).
I ordered my freedom last week based on the last model. Everything I keep finding out about what will be coming has just been jaw-dropping! Please the interactions I've had with Wired so far they have been a great company to deal with.
I'm on the fence, one of my bikes is speed based, and the other one is power-based, speed based is definitely better on difficult mountain bike trails, because it will give you full power at low speed, when it's needed for steep inclines,
Back in January of this year I got the freedom in black because the cruiser in white didn't have rear suspension. Now that the freedom comes in white and the cruiser has rear suspension, my new dilemna now is the lime green paint job is starting to look more and more appealing🤣
Why not use the mount they have without holes in the bike? There have to be a bunch of baskets on Amazon that would fit like the basket they sell in their store.
Thanks for the great content. Got the lime green Cruiser on the way thanks to your videos. Worth the wait I'm sure but gonna be a long summer waiting. More content on the new Cruiser, please. You've got the only one....how's that gorgeous new step-through frame? Anything more to say about the new Cruiser, specifically, but all your content's great. Thanks!
Also, was just thinking. If you ride a flat trail, with the percentage adjustment on the PAS internal settings, you can dial in an exact mph for a given PAS setting, sort of like cruise control while peddling.
I’m very short, which bike offers the smaller (24”?) tires? With all the same bells and whistles? I’m looking for something that is bigger than a 20” but not so big as the standard 26” , with fat tires for my rugged terrain.
@cherricrittenden894 biktrix juggernaut hub duo ST medium frame has 24 inch tires. It does have a torque sensor though and some don't like it but I prefer it. It's on sale til Sep 1st for $2300 and the seconde mountable battery is free til then. No rear suspension but you can add a seatpost. Also not sure you can hit as fast as you would on a wired. If you want something comparable, I've been looking at Furious EMX 60V. It does have 20×4 inch tires but I feel it would fit your size better. Citizencycle has reviews for it
Does anybody know.......Does Wired offer an optional less aggressive nobby tire more for street and mild offroad? I notice in your video the bike shakes a bit either because of the lobby tires or the suspension. There is quite a bit of noise coming from the tires. That would be annoying on a long street ride. My current bike has aggressive knobbies as well but not as much noise, for some reason. Maybe it's the recording that exaggerates the noise.
The bike makers are not the place to get tires. Ebay and Amazon are your best options for fat tires. You might like Vee Tire Speedsters for a pavement oriented tire. I like their Zigzag model too. Both of them are very quiet on pavement. The Zigzag is heavier than a Speedster and doesn't accelerate as well but it has thicker tread. The thicker tread helps with durability and flat prevention. I probably sound like a Vee Tire salesman, but our fat tire brand choices are sadly limited. I haven't had good luck with Kendas. Their Krusade model is loud and flats easy. Their Juggernaut model is the loudest tire I have ridden. Some of my Kendas weren't even round, and I consider that an unforgivable thing to fail at when making a tire. I have started sending emails to Michelin trying to get them to start making 20x4 and 26x4 fat tires. I use Michelins on all my bikes with normal sized tires and they work great.
The noise you hear is the sloppy suspension set up rattling. It is not as well engineered as some of its competitors. Price you pay for a couple of lawyers who have only been producing e-bikes for a couple of years. It will take them a few years to make adjustments.
How is "power-based" significantly better than "speed-based"? With speed-based, at least you would know what speed you would end up at in each PAS setting. With power-based, wouldn't 50% power be different on flat ground vs hills? Wouldn't torque sensor always be better in giving you more precise control of your own speed?
Can you show more footage of traveling in fields, hills, farmland type reviews to utilize for hunting. Carry capacity either tree stand, backpack or fellow hunter.
Ordered mine today. Went with the freedom in titan color. I am curious to how many changes will be made from the time of my order to time of shipping. The way they are making changes might be 5 or 6 more.....making it even better!!!!
I’m betting Wired slips in something special on the August bikes. Unlike e cells, who does not test anything before sale, I’m sure whatever new feature Wired adds will actually work and be included in the base price.
Hello Citizen. A lot of people aren't sure where to turn on the wobble issue, is it something that only affects very few bikes and the story is blowing up is there more to it? Does the wobble affect only the Freedom. We watch your videos for guidance when making a purchase so your insight into this would be much appreciated. Thanks.
he did a wobble test video, he couldn't duplicate it with the front battery only but managed to with the rear battery installed not sure if you saw the vid yet. apparently you need to re tigten some of the suspension
1:45 What if, say, i run the main battery down then add in a fresh rear battery?? Does it still draw equally? or does it draw from the fuller charged battery until they equalize? 🤔
I have a question. For the early version of the 2024 wired freedom owners. Do you know or if not can you find out if we will be able to get the new rear rack with battery and a balancer and the necessary hardware in a accessory package to install on our previous 2024 model from wired ? It would definitely be nice to add to our bikes.
Why bother? He already has two old Wired bikes with the exact same drivetrain. The e cells is slower with less power and acceleration than the new model. Interesting how e smells never had a RWD bike or a 60v before but somehow Wired copied e cells?
I'm curious, the distance between the rear rack and the saddle is pretty small. Does the rear rack hit the back of the seat when the rear shock is fully compressed? Would you be able to test it on the prototype Wired Cruiser?
Thank you Boss man! Yes I ordered a Lime Green Cruiser to go with my (old) 2024 Green Wired Freedom. One complaint I had with the 2024 Freedom, and that many others called out as well, was that the fenders rattled. I actually removed mine and like the look without the fenders (on the Freedom). But some other RUclipsrs removed bolts and inserted rubber washers to the mounting points to smooth out the fenders. Do you know if this has been addressed?
That front fender and headlight mounting is a horrible design that should have never made it to production. Those are just two examples of how chintzy the Wired bikes really are.
About to pull the trigger, kind of want a e bike for getting to work each day that will have no problem on hills. Do you think this one is the best price to performance?
questions for Cruiser: will a dropper post fit, whats the internal length inside the frame for the post, the Oneup brand makes the shortest length dropper post just wondering if one will fit, does it have a mount for a front rack. is there any ghost peddle, does it require charging batteries separately or will they charge at same time. I hoping they will give you a Blue cruiser so we can compare the colors of the best three lime, blue and white. thankyou
I have the 2023 Cruiser and the only thing I don't like is the tail end of the bike. I feels less stability, not like a hardtail. Does this cruiser feel the same?
I'm almost 6'5" so I'm curious how much taller the taller bike stem is. I'm your weight so nice to see how fast you can go. Curious to know if your were at full battery when you did that little run at the end of your video, but going full speed and how much it drained it. Makes a good case for a second battery.
Range testing is hard to do with variables. Ive got 40 miles out of my older single 60v 20amh freedom throttle only. But I set speed limit to 20 and lots of long straight aways with few stop and goes. I could see it go down alot with more stop and goes. Idk your right its hard to do an accurate one because who knows how it will be driven. Great updates. TY
@@johns5504 I mess with it all the time and that was a year ago and cant remember. I dont think it would matter much as once up to 20 it doesnt use all of the watts and there where not many stops. I could of had it turned all the way down tho as I do that often. Still impressive there. Im sorry I dont remember what the setting was then when I got 40 miles. and it wasnt 40 but close but not dead yet so figured I could of done 40 easily to be honest. If I remember it was 38 miles and I cant remember the voltage but about out.
Great review as always. Any suggestion for optional tires tread for street use that you've found safe, useful for mostly street surface use that may make the ride smoother. quieter, more efficient???
Thanks for the update, but you're making the waiting for delivery even more painful. LOL. This is the second weekend you got me all jazzed up. It's good to hear the pedal assist thing and throttle lag is being addressed. I have seen in other videos where the headlight is coming loose and laying on the fender, I'm glad they are addressing that as well.😁
I ordered the bike on April 7th. At that time it said mid to late May. Then they made all these changes and I see mid to late June. I don't know if that means all bikes on order will now be in June or if you are now just ordering. I'll probably contact them soon to find out. Weather is nice, ready to ride. WE WANT OUR BIKES NOW WIRED! lol
Hey buddy, can you recommend a double bike carrier for this bike. With a wheel base of 80 inches if I'm not mistaken I can't seem one to accommodate. Need one to carry this bike and a cyrusher ovia at the same time. Thanks!
I love your videos very informative. I purchased lime green wire cruiser my question do you think I can put 26 x 5“ flat tires? I like them better than 26 x 4.
What's the dimensions of the top and sides of the rack? I want to make a trunk and some panniers out of some Apache cases from Harbor Freight but don.t know which sizes to go with.
Rear suspension brackets should not impede the step through ! That space should be clear and no tripping hazard...The front fork should be angled forward a bit to give more clearance for battery removal and it would give the bike a better stance!
@@skypros I'm guessing you mean because the light would have to shine through the cables if it were mounted up above? Maybe so. One of our bikes is a Euphree and it has a good light mounted on the handlebar, with no cables getting in the way. The cables are well designed with just the right lengths and are wrapped together on each side. So it can be done but it would take a little extra effort on their part.
I've had my Freedom fore about 4 months... I love it!!! But I'm so tempted to get this new one for more power, range, and netter brakes!!! Do you think it's worth it to do so? Or perhaps I'll wait a year for the next version? Any thoughts? thank you!!! : )
Do you think that you can open up the controller housing on the cruiser and tell us what type of connectors are there as I have another 25 ah battery l want to use also!
Most people like the constant power approach more than torque sensors. Allows you to easily control your speed and pedal for exercise but with the ease of a cadence sensor when you want. It will be interesting 🤨 if e cells ever ships a bike with a torque sensor how it compares with the wattage based pedal assist on the old KT controller e cells is using. Wireds will be far more customizable, but a similar approach.
@@CitizenCycle925 I agree however, with the rear shock setup a thief would not have much trouble detaching the shock for easy removal from the lock or am I not thinking correctly?
Finally! My new Wired Cruiser e-bike came last Friday and I was very excited after 3 and a half months of waiting. Unfortunately my joy has already turned into agony and despair. The front end appears to be defective, any time I take my hands off the handle bars it immediately goes left or right it will not hold straight or steady and overall it feels weak and unstable. I tried to call customer service at Wired but they never answered to phone and a recording referred me to their website. I am hoping for a better outcome Monday on my next attempt to contact Wired about this very disturbing and disappointing event. I hope I have not been phone blocked.
Here’s my question I would prefer the cruiser but you said about it having flex in the frame as a very large man pushing the 300 mark would it be better for me to get the freedom ? I wanted the cruiser because of having hip replacements and it would be easier to on and off .
my #1 concern is the hill climb ability - how will this do going up a 23% grade? my 750 Watt hub drive will go up it on a fresh battery charge. I ask as the last bit [40 ft or so] of my driveway gets steep at about 23% most ebikes just poop out & I get off and use the twist throrrle & walk it up. a minor annoyance. Or should I get a mid drive ebike for this? a top speed being high isnt so important to me. But hill climbing is important for me. low speed torque is something I can tune my motor bikes for. and yes top speed is lower, but high speed is not important to me. #2 is there going to be an inside chain rinf gaurd to prevent the chain from jumping off?
153 newton meters torque and 3kw output will beat your driveway hill down to a manageable size for you. Hub motors climb good if they are being fed lots of watts. I have a 52v mid drive that can pull 1700 peak watts. It will climb anything it can get traction on. But my 3kw hub motor bike climbs the same hills at a higher speed.
Ive looked at many and been on the fence due to the weight! But it is the best deal. I can not find the $50 discount code, or the best savings you offer? Really nice job! Thanks Kate
I see on your previous video that the bike can be set for class 2 or performance right on the screen. Can that be changed while riding? Riding day to day I always use pedal assist and class 2. If you need to get out of an area quickly can you reset it to your personal performance setting? Sometimes bike trails go thru sections of town that warrant a burst of speed to avoid "bike jacking".
Hey! Nice review! Will you be reviewing the Juiced JetCurrent Pro soon? I love this bike but i really need something foldable to get the most use out of it? The JetCurrent Pro looks like it will be amazing but they kinda missed the mark by not giving it rear suspension.
What would be amazing for this bike is if they had a removable piece where step through is optional. The secured piece of metal could slide in and out and secure in place on the frame and in place on the top of the seat mount with either 4 small screws on both connections or some sort of quick release/tightening device.
Just trying to find a way to transport my cobra and my wired freedom in the bed of my 5.5 truck bed with the tailgate closed while pulling my rv. Do you suggest any fork mount or tailgate pad??
It looked like the throttle still had a slight delay in your video perhaps, did you receive the update by any chance or were they still working on that or rolling it out?
Hey man, love your videos! I’ve seen hundreds of e-bike videos, and yours always hovers at the top! The area you shot this video in, is beautiful! So much lush greenery! Where abouts is this located?
I want that bike so bad .iam still trying to figure out how to get it shipped to Canada. I might have to look closer at Ecells they say they can ship to Canada .so one way or another iam getting another new bike 😊
Is this version of the cruiser easier to step through than the last version. I find the 2024 1st version is not that easy to put your foot through. The battery gets in the way. Does the suspension get in the way on the latest version? It looks like it's easier. I'm 70 years old and 6'2".
It is easy to put your foot thru!! I had an opportunity to ride an earlier Wired step thru prototype that was rejected because there was no room to step thru. The new Jail Cell Step Star will be nicknamed the Trip Star from the photos I’ve seen. The other guy is clearly not testing anything and there is little hope E cells can improve its F rating from the Better Business Bureau with the turds he’s turning out.
Does the throttle follow menu have percentage settings too? I've seen people with this bike seem like it's 3000w throttle no matter the 1-5 level setting.
@Jolly-Green-Steve if throttle follow is set to YES, then throttle power will increase as PAS increases. if throttle follow is set to NO then throttle has full power at all times
The controller for this bike is a 45ah 60v Wired Branded Controller made by Patriot Systems. I couldn't find any info about this company (Patriot). Could there be any thermal issues with the high output controller and the battery balancer stuffed into the small sealed bottom bracket? Also, how do we know if Patriot Systems controllers are any good? Is there any history on this company? The controller is kind of an important component...! The Freedom model mounts theirs externally with a heatsinked case. The E-cells 5 Star also does this. Even E-Cells step through model (closest competitor to the Wired Cruiser) is mounting their controller externally. I hope the unknown controller brand & tight (relatively) unventilated mount location does not come back to bite owners in the butt.
Yeah, you should buy the more expensive and much less powerful e cell bike from a company who has a F from the BBB and whose owner is a convicted felon and pathological liar who started the company while on parole after serving 11 years for murder. Google is your friend, don’t be a fool tricked by a con man.
Actually, looks like the e cell frame is prone to rear load induced death wobble. Adding a second battery to an untested frame (AWD wouldn’t exhibit the problem) might prove disastrous. E cells is not testing their bikes, just look at the gates drive and torque sensor fails, so who knows what defects will emerge.
I purchased this exact bike, I am very apprehensive with the size and weigh, Being 80 and fighting a serious illness, I am left with a difficult decision, as I look at , sitting in my living room it looks over powering. I am not sure other buyers have the same feeling. I am not sure to try and ride this monster or sell it ,I hope this might help older people that may consider the purchase. Also it did arrive damaged, not major, but with issues.
I would wait for the changes talked about here (like the stronger headlight bracket) before buying, but man does this have great performance capability. My only complaint would be the appearance of frame welds. My Aventone Aventure 2 frame welds are so smooth, you don't even realize there are welds on it. With the rear battery, I think I would need the higher seat post since I tend to sit further back on my seat, but what would the MINIMUM height be with that post?? 🤔 I can stand with feet on ground without getting off the seat of my Aventone.
(Question) Could you please help out the very short crowd please? Wired Cruiser distance from saddle at its lowest adjustment to pedal at its lowest point? Thanks in advance!
Awesome. You replied to my question on a previous video about your front motor kit not being able to be used. If the thru axle front forks were replaced with the older style quick release type, your kit would work right? I really want two motors for grip in sand. Not worried about speed at all.
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front and rear turn signals would be nice.
is there a reason why the headlights in these bikes are all connected to the fender instead of to the frame? if it’s the cables, they could probably arrange the cable management. on the fender you got a lot of road vibration and movement with the suspension.
the nice thing is you can add all those things if you'd like :)
All good stuff, Citizen. The second charger and seatpost are thoughtful additions by Wired. One other point about battery combiners is that they also work even if the batteries are at different charge levels. It will just use the battery with the most voltage until it drops to the same charge level as the other battery, and then it will draw from both batteries.
Thanks, was wondering about that! Was also wondering if the bike can run off of just the rear battery, the main battery not installed. And for that matter, if you could have the rear battery in its dock but not all the way seated.
As a side note, for those of us that want a bicycle/motorcyle for riding in street traffic, this bike has the acceleration and top speed to be safe in traffic, but if you're talking 50-75 or more miles running at 30-40mph, the range test I saw at higher speeds indicated that it'd take TWICE as much battery power to go 75 miles.
It's just a matter of time that this new hybrid bike/motorcycle will start appearing. Bikes like the Cruiser could conceivably have a second 20ah battery mount on the TOPSIDE of the main battery!
What kind of batteries does wired use?
@@kryptonite7936 Samsung.
@randalgoat Yes, you could run it on just the rear battery. But since that pack is 15ah, it's not going to be happy trying to run the 48 amp controller at full power. Even the front 20ah battery will have significant voltage drop under load while trying to supply full power by itself. The combined 35ah of the batteries is the way to use the bike. That will let the batteries live a longer life and supply better performance while you ride.
I think a realistic range estimate for this bike is 50-55 miles at a steady 35mph.
@@jimmyjames8736 Hmmmmm.... please elaborate on why running both batteries at once will help to reduce the voltage drop under load. Would you get the same performance if you were using just 1 battery, but a 35ah battery-? Yes, I've heard that sharing the load btw 2 batteries help keep it running cooler and has less wear on the battery, but you're saying it also makes it a stronger performer (greater acceleration and top speed)-?
Also, do you have insights on where the performance gains for acceleration and top speed come from? Apparently, WF got better performance simply by using a 45amp controller instead of the original 40amp. And I heard somebody mention how zippy their ebikes were because they used high drain/current cells. I'm asking 'cause I've bn wondering about building a 3000-5000w hub motor bike at 72V and have bn wondering how big the controller would need to be and even if the QUANTITY of batteries would make a performance difference beyond giving you a longer range. Any other things to optimize motor performance with batteries/controller/??
There's another reviewer, Maximum Charge?, who did a distance check, and with the 20ah battery he got about 20 miles running it hard- that's about a mile per ah! That's the problem with these higher powered motors, the batteries don't begin to keep up for any distance.
I grew up riding motorcycles, so every ebike I've had so far seems very underpowered!
Crazy! At those speeds I feel like putting on my motorcycle helmet, chaps, jacket. Wow.
Needs two chain guards on front sprocket.
Can you get a second chain guard
Thanks for the updates! Time has never gone slower! I’m so ready to get my freedom!
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With that rear swing-arm setup, do you think there is an effective way to lock this bike if you need to leave it unattended?
Boy, this bike keeps getting better and better all the time. Excellent!
Love seeing the competition and continual upgrades in the ebike world! I've got the previous model Freedom and really like it - I hope they go to a 72V setup next and can give me the ability to cruise consistently at 40mph for when I need to around town in traffic - but also still have the ability to ride slow at like 8mph on trails. That's the dream for me, ultimate commuter+pleasure bike at that point!
While I'm at it making suggestions (in case they read this), here are some other things they might consider:
- ADD MOUNTING HOLES FOR A FRONT RACK PLEASE!
- Turn signals included (but make them off the shelf, easily replaceable standardized ones. No proprietary integrated turn signals please because they can break if the bike falls over.)
- Change that display so polarized glasses don't affect it.
- Give me more PAS levels, maybe like 7 instead of 5. So I have more granularity in speed levels. But also let me customize how many PAS levels I want enabled. So if I want 3 levels I can have that, or all 7 if I want.
- Put more charge lights on the batteries. I like to charge my battery up to ~80-90% to preserve the life on it. With only 4 lights on the battery itself, I can't easily tell what percentage it's at. It could be at 51% or 70% and I can't tell without putting it in the bike and turning it on.
- Maybe a tire upgrade for the speeds we're starting to get up to? I wouldn't want that to increase the weight a whole bunch though...so I'm not sure on this one.
- On the topic of weight, I think we're nearly at the maximum weight for an ebike. Like, 110lbs with batteries installed should be the absolute max. Otherwise we're starting to get into motorbike territory. And no more than 90lbs without batteries IMO.
Charge the battery while it's in the bike. Turn on the controller, and you'll see the voltage level. Stop charging when you're happy.
That's how I check.
I feel like most electronics are obsolete after 7 months and companies need to keep improving. Same with cars and phones etc. Now that it's nice out just try to enjoy your bike best you can.!! Positive thinking. Or, you could sell your current model, which is basically brand new. Put it towards the next model.
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Well said Mr. Citizen👏
I want to order this bike today so bad but you have to wait almost a month for it
@@dailylife3975 yea, about as bad as home depot
Very true, technology is outpacing everything. What you bought two months ago, will be obsolete or much more improved.
For the range test - max the rated weight, find the steepest hill, and go up and down that hill till your battery goes bye-bye. I can't rely on 'best case scenerio' I want to see the worts case scenerio
I am one of their first customers, have their freedom from one of the 1st batch when they were wicked. There were improvements needed and glad to see this company is doing good and gaining attraction.
Love the color and the integrated battery.
Thanks for answering the PAS power vs set speed question. I'd asked before, and now we know.
At least our efforts are now measurable. Including top end.
Just put in an order for a cruiser. Thanks for all the good info you put into your videos. You are actually the one that made up my mind to get a Wired ebike. Wish I would've ordered earlier to get your coupon code but I'm so stoked about the bike I really don't care at this point. Thank you and happy cycling dude.
Awesome vid, thanks for the follow up details. I actually have a question I'm pretty sure only you can answer - wired chat support didn't seem to know the answer.
How much space is between the rear air shock and the frame gap that it's housed in? Would it be possible to put a D-lock or chain through there? I only ask because using the rear triangle to lock up the step-through seems sketchy since its just the rear suspension bolts keeping the lock in place (instead of a fully enclosed welded frame space).
I ordered my freedom last week based on the last model. Everything I keep finding out about what will be coming has just been jaw-dropping! Please the interactions I've had with Wired so far they have been a great company to deal with.
I'm on the fence, one of my bikes is speed based, and the other one is power-based, speed based is definitely better on difficult mountain bike trails, because it will give you full power at low speed, when it's needed for steep inclines,
Back in January of this year I got the freedom in black because the cruiser in white didn't have rear suspension. Now that the freedom comes in white and the cruiser has rear suspension, my new dilemna now is the lime green paint job is starting to look more and more appealing🤣
You don't want the lime green paint if it's going to be a peeling.
Is Wired planning on adding pre-drilled holes for a basket add-on in front?
Why not use the mount they have without holes in the bike? There have to be a bunch of baskets on Amazon that would fit like the basket they sell in their store.
Thanks for the great content. Got the lime green Cruiser on the way thanks to your videos. Worth the wait I'm sure but gonna be a long summer waiting.
More content on the new Cruiser, please. You've got the only one....how's that gorgeous new step-through frame? Anything more to say about the new Cruiser, specifically, but all your content's great. Thanks!
Also, was just thinking. If you ride a flat trail, with the percentage adjustment on the PAS internal settings, you can dial in an exact mph for a given PAS setting, sort of like cruise control while peddling.
Im excited to get mine but Im 5ft7 so I kinda wish I had the option for 2inch smaller tires.
I’m very short, which bike offers the smaller (24”?) tires? With all the same bells and whistles? I’m looking for something that is bigger than a 20” but not so big as the standard 26” , with fat tires for my rugged terrain.
Yes 24in tires would be much better.
@cherricrittenden894 biktrix juggernaut hub duo ST medium frame has 24 inch tires. It does have a torque sensor though and some don't like it but I prefer it. It's on sale til Sep 1st for $2300 and the seconde mountable battery is free til then. No rear suspension but you can add a seatpost. Also not sure you can hit as fast as you would on a wired. If you want something comparable, I've been looking at Furious EMX 60V. It does have 20×4 inch tires but I feel it would fit your size better. Citizencycle has reviews for it
So the new potted aluminum body controller is completely sealed so water/rain proof i assume?
I wonder what 2025 upgrade will be
Does anybody know.......Does Wired offer an optional less aggressive nobby tire more for street and mild offroad? I notice in your video the bike shakes a bit either because of the lobby tires or the suspension. There is quite a bit of noise coming from the tires. That would be annoying on a long street ride. My current bike has aggressive knobbies as well but not as much noise, for some reason. Maybe it's the recording that exaggerates the noise.
No, they do not.
The bike makers are not the place to get tires. Ebay and Amazon are your best options for fat tires.
You might like Vee Tire Speedsters for a pavement oriented tire. I like their Zigzag model too. Both of them are very quiet on pavement. The Zigzag is heavier than a Speedster and doesn't accelerate as well but it has thicker tread. The thicker tread helps with durability and flat prevention.
I probably sound like a Vee Tire salesman, but our fat tire brand choices are sadly limited. I haven't had good luck with Kendas. Their Krusade model is loud and flats easy. Their Juggernaut model is the loudest tire I have ridden. Some of my Kendas weren't even round, and I consider that an unforgivable thing to fail at when making a tire. I have started sending emails to Michelin trying to get them to start making 20x4 and 26x4 fat tires. I use Michelins on all my bikes with normal sized tires and they work great.
The noise you hear is the sloppy suspension set up rattling. It is not as well engineered as some of its competitors. Price you pay for a couple of lawyers who have only been producing e-bikes for a couple of years. It will take them a few years to make adjustments.
@@SarahJane-y1p New suspension on this iteration already. It took others years?
@@SarahJane-y1p
The noise you hear is called a kickstand.
How is "power-based" significantly better than "speed-based"? With speed-based, at least you would know what speed you would end up at in each PAS setting. With power-based, wouldn't 50% power be different on flat ground vs hills? Wouldn't torque sensor always be better in giving you more precise control of your own speed?
Can you show more footage of traveling in fields, hills, farmland type reviews to utilize for hunting. Carry capacity either tree stand, backpack or fellow hunter.
Ordered mine today. Went with the freedom in titan color. I am curious to how many changes will be made from the time of my order to time of shipping. The way they are making changes might be 5 or 6 more.....making it even better!!!!
I’m betting Wired slips in something special on the August bikes. Unlike e cells, who does not test anything before sale, I’m sure whatever new feature Wired adds will actually work and be included in the base price.
@@jfly2249 I hear there are several changes to the new bike, including a second battery. It is going to be a long month of waiting. I am so ready.
Hello Citizen. A lot of people aren't sure where to turn on the wobble issue, is it something that only affects very few bikes and the story is blowing up is there more to it? Does the wobble affect only the Freedom. We watch your videos for guidance when making a purchase so your insight into this would be much appreciated. Thanks.
he did a wobble test video, he couldn't duplicate it with the front battery only but managed to with the rear battery installed not sure if you saw the vid yet. apparently you need to re tigten some of the suspension
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What if, say, i run the main battery down then add in a fresh rear battery?? Does it still draw equally? or does it draw from the fuller charged battery until they equalize? 🤔
Would really love to see how to access the controller and wiring inside the frame. It's probably easier to access once battery is removed?
I thought the main batterie comes with a toggle switch,located in the end of the batterie when you pull it out.
Thank you for the best e-bike content anywhere. Ordered my wired freedom bike. Can’t wait.
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I have a question. For the early version of the 2024 wired freedom owners. Do you know or if not can you find out if we will be able to get the new rear rack with battery and a balancer and the necessary hardware in a accessory package to install on our previous 2024 model from wired ? It would definitely be nice to add to our bikes.
Steven and Dan @ Wired told me they are working on a package upgrade just a few days ago. Looking forward to a rear battery for range
I need Range of 70 Mile Round Trip range in PAS 2.
In PAS 2 with New Dual Battery setup Will this Bike Make It 🤔 ? ?
Per email from Wired today (5/26) all existing Cruiser orders delayed until mid to late July 😢
And I just saw this after placing my order yesterday. A long 6+ weeks, but worth the wait...🫸🫷
And by then half the summer will be gone. I wanted the cruiser but because it’s coming late in the summer I had to get the regular model instead.
Please do a review of the ECELLS 5 star the few other RUclipsrs did and all around great ebike.
Why bother? He already has two old Wired bikes with the exact same drivetrain. The e cells is slower with less power and acceleration than the new model. Interesting how e smells never had a RWD bike or a 60v before but somehow Wired copied e cells?
@@jfly2249 Just seen a video of E cells doing 51 mph.
What makes them a great bike?
@@jfly2249 Steve (CEO WIRED) please stop posting under fake names. Everyone knows its you.
The Five Star is a far better bike and a far better value than the Wired offerings.
I noticed with the adjustment on the rear shock to the right it gives about the same as the old 2023 Freedom
I'm curious, the distance between the rear rack and the saddle is pretty small.
Does the rear rack hit the back of the seat when the rear shock is fully compressed?
Would you be able to test it on the prototype Wired Cruiser?
He's definitely hitting hit
Thank you Boss man! Yes I ordered a Lime Green Cruiser to go with my (old) 2024 Green Wired Freedom. One complaint I had with the 2024 Freedom, and that many others called out as well, was that the fenders rattled. I actually removed mine and like the look without the fenders (on the Freedom). But some other RUclipsrs removed bolts and inserted rubber washers to the mounting points to smooth out the fenders. Do you know if this has been addressed?
That front fender and headlight mounting is a horrible design that should have never made it to production. Those are just two examples of how chintzy the Wired bikes really are.
About to pull the trigger, kind of want a e bike for getting to work each day that will have no problem on hills. Do you think this one is the best price to performance?
questions for Cruiser: will a dropper post fit, whats the internal length inside the frame for the post, the Oneup brand makes the shortest length dropper post just wondering if one will fit, does it have a mount for a front rack. is there any ghost peddle, does it require charging batteries separately or will they charge at same time. I hoping they will give you a Blue cruiser so we can compare the colors of the best three lime, blue and white. thankyou
Now that these are being delivered and in customers hands. They are mentioning death wobble with these bikes. Did you experience this?
I have the 2023 Cruiser and the only thing I don't like is the tail end of the bike. I feels less stability, not like a hardtail. Does this cruiser feel the same?
I wish they would add the front mount to add a front rack.
I'm almost 6'5" so I'm curious how much taller the taller bike stem is. I'm your weight so nice to see how fast you can go. Curious to know if your were at full battery when you did that little run at the end of your video, but going full speed and how much it drained it. Makes a good case for a second battery.
Range testing is hard to do with variables. Ive got 40 miles out of my older single 60v 20amh freedom throttle only. But I set speed limit to 20 and lots of long straight aways with few stop and goes. I could see it go down alot with more stop and goes. Idk your right its hard to do an accurate one because who knows how it will be driven. Great updates. TY
What was your C5 setting at?
@@johns5504 I mess with it all the time and that was a year ago and cant remember. I dont think it would matter much as once up to 20 it doesnt use all of the watts and there where not many stops. I could of had it turned all the way down tho as I do that often. Still impressive there. Im sorry I dont remember what the setting was then when I got 40 miles. and it wasnt 40 but close but not dead yet so figured I could of done 40 easily to be honest. If I remember it was 38 miles and I cant remember the voltage but about out.
@@rabbithomesteading3797 Thank you. It fits with one from solarsuran than got 40 on PAS 3. So sounds about right, again TY
You got 40 miles on a throttle ?
Awesome! Thank you so much for the info.
How do the ZENDA Krusade tires compare to what comes on the Ecell Dual Step Star, besides being 26” as opposed to 24”?
Great review as always. Any suggestion for optional tires tread for street use that you've found safe, useful for mostly street surface use that may make the ride smoother. quieter, more efficient???
i'm getting the origin8 supercells for mine then adding the flat out
Thanks for the update, but you're making the waiting for delivery even more painful. LOL. This is the second weekend you got me all jazzed up. It's good to hear the pedal assist thing and throttle lag is being addressed. I have seen in other videos where the headlight is coming loose and laying on the fender, I'm glad they are addressing that as well.😁
I know, it’s killing me too.
I'm waiting also lol
Also waiting... lol
I ordered the bike on April 7th. At that time it said mid to late May. Then they made all these changes and I see mid to late June. I don't know if that means all bikes on order will now be in June or if you are now just ordering. I'll probably contact them soon to find out. Weather is nice, ready to ride. WE WANT OUR BIKES NOW WIRED! lol
@@ByteMyWire Maybe yours got delayed until June because of the updates to the bike. I'm impatient too as the weather is perfect for riding.
Hey buddy, can you recommend a double bike carrier for this bike. With a wheel base of 80 inches if I'm not mistaken I can't seem one to accommodate. Need one to carry this bike and a cyrusher ovia at the same time. Thanks!
Can't wait for mine to come in!
I love your videos very informative. I purchased lime green wire cruiser my question do you think I can put 26 x 5“ flat tires? I like them better than 26 x 4.
@ireneuszkubiszewski3102 I have not tried it but I think 5 inch tires would probably fit.
Great review as always. I wish they would offer a bike with 3" tires. Those 4" tires add a lot of weight and are hardly ever needed.
Wish they had 5" tires lol
just that 3" cant be ran at lower psi like 10-14 psi wwhich is super comfy on a full suspension bike
I think 4 inch rims can handle 3 inch tires
How do you tell if it's got the Hellbender head set that they claim it's supposed to have?
ULTIMATE setup for your front hub-motor. Use the smaller battery for the front hub. How much rear travel on the step-thru?
What's the dimensions of the top and sides of the rack? I want to make a trunk and some panniers out of some Apache cases from Harbor Freight but don.t know which sizes to go with.
Rear suspension brackets should not impede the step through ! That space should be clear and no tripping hazard...The front fork should be angled forward a bit to give more clearance for battery removal and it would give the bike a better stance!
Thanks for all your research 1 question did the brakes go to 2 piston or are they unchanged???????????????????
I think 2 pistons...look at his other video on this bike 😊
the newest model i know for a fact are 4 piston with 203 mm rotors
They should mount the light somewhere up above where it is not subject to all the jostling the forks are absorbing.
I think the reason they mount it down low..... Is because of all the Cables in the front ??
@@skypros I'm guessing you mean because the light would have to shine through the cables if it were mounted up above? Maybe so. One of our bikes is a Euphree and it has a good light mounted on the handlebar, with no cables getting in the way. The cables are well designed with just the right lengths and are wrapped together on each side. So it can be done but it would take a little extra effort on their part.
I've had my Freedom fore about 4 months... I love it!!! But I'm so tempted to get this new one for more power, range, and netter brakes!!! Do you think it's worth it to do so? Or perhaps I'll wait a year for the next version? Any thoughts? thank you!!! : )
Do you think that you can open up the controller housing on the cruiser and tell us what type of connectors are there as I have another 25 ah battery l want to use also!
Thanks to you ill be ordering 1 soon.
How do they have all these amazing components but no torque sensor ?????
Most people like the constant power approach more than torque sensors. Allows you to easily control your speed and pedal for exercise but with the ease of a cadence sensor when you want. It will be interesting 🤨 if e cells ever ships a bike with a torque sensor how it compares with the wattage based pedal assist on the old KT controller e cells is using. Wireds will be far more customizable, but a similar approach.
@@jfly2249I suppose wait till people have their Ecells with the torque sensor, since there are people who have them on order.
Will there be an options to attach a seat for a child. something they can slide legs through like the orbital seat
I'm going to order a wire freedom cruiser, is there anything I should know I'm kind of worried about not having a chain guard can I buy one.
How would one go about locking up the wired cruiser to prevent theft? I don’t see an obvious solution to lock it.
Bike lock, dont let it out of your sight for very long, and sometimes i unplug the display so it wont turn on.
@@CitizenCycle925 I agree however, with the rear shock setup a thief would not have much trouble detaching the shock for easy removal from the lock or am I not thinking correctly?
Finally! My new Wired Cruiser e-bike came last Friday and I was very excited after 3 and a half months of waiting. Unfortunately my joy has already turned into agony and despair. The front end appears to be defective, any time I take my hands off the handle bars it immediately goes left or right it will not hold straight or steady and overall it feels weak and unstable. I tried to call customer service at Wired but they never answered to phone and a recording referred me to their website. I am hoping for a better outcome Monday on my next attempt to contact Wired about this very disturbing and disappointing event. I hope I have not been phone blocked.
Any luck?
Great info from a credible source!
My himiway zebra with 40ah 48v batteries. Pedaling hard at full speed 25mph mainly. I get about 60 miles.
Here’s my question I would prefer the cruiser but you said about it having flex in the frame as a very large man pushing the 300 mark would it be better for me to get the freedom ? I wanted the cruiser because of having hip replacements and it would be easier to on and off .
does it have a water bottle mount on it?
Are they making a 20 inch????
Hi Bryan, Any updates on when the front wheel drive kits are going to Ship out?
It will be late May, they still need to cross the sea! I need to do a video update. Shipping is complicated when you don't have your own container..
my #1 concern is the hill climb ability -
how will this do going up a 23% grade?
my 750 Watt hub drive will go up it on a fresh battery charge.
I ask as the last bit [40 ft or so] of my driveway gets steep at about 23%
most ebikes just poop out & I get off and use the twist throrrle & walk it up.
a minor annoyance.
Or should I get a mid drive ebike for this?
a top speed being high isnt so important to me. But hill climbing is important for me.
low speed torque is something I can tune my motor bikes for.
and yes top speed is lower, but high speed is not important to me.
#2 is there going to be an inside chain rinf gaurd to prevent the chain from jumping off?
153 newton meters torque and 3kw output will beat your driveway hill down to a manageable size for you. Hub motors climb good if they are being fed lots of watts. I have a 52v mid drive that can pull 1700 peak watts. It will climb anything it can get traction on. But my 3kw hub motor bike climbs the same hills at a higher speed.
this bike will smoke a 750w e bike
@@jimmyjames8736 thank you thats helpful
Ive looked at many and been on the fence due to the weight! But it is the best deal. I can not find the $50 discount code, or the best savings you offer? Really nice job! Thanks Kate
Can you swop out twist throttle for thumb type and can you change everything to left handed control where the rear brake engages using my left hand?
The best long pavement and DG is a Class 1 15 mph only. Throttle must be remove or disconnected. Can I do that on this new bike
I see on your previous video that the bike can be set for class 2 or performance right on the screen. Can that be changed while riding? Riding day to day I always use pedal assist and class 2. If you need to get out of an area quickly can you reset it to your personal performance setting? Sometimes bike trails go thru sections of town that warrant a burst of speed to avoid "bike jacking".
So if you just want to go for a ride and pedal it like a bicycle to get some exercise, how does it pedal?
Hey! Nice review! Will you be reviewing the Juiced JetCurrent Pro soon? I love this bike but i really need something foldable to get the most use out of it? The JetCurrent Pro looks like it will be amazing but they kinda missed the mark by not giving it rear suspension.
Really like the step through cruiser and want to order one vs the freedom. I am 6 two, how tall are you? Thx
@@JeffKissinger 6ft
What size are the frames???
What would be amazing for this bike is if they had a removable piece where step through is optional. The secured piece of metal could slide in and out and secure in place on the frame and in place on the top of the seat mount with either 4 small screws on both connections or some sort of quick release/tightening device.
Just trying to find a way to transport my cobra and my wired freedom in the bed of my 5.5 truck bed with the tailgate closed while pulling my rv. Do you suggest any fork mount or tailgate pad??
It looked like the throttle still had a slight delay in your video perhaps, did you receive the update by any chance or were they still working on that or rolling it out?
this one has delay since it is the prototype, they are re-flashing all the displays on production bikes before they ship out.
@@CitizenCycle925 Awesome, just wanted to clarify on that, thank you for the heads up!
Hey man, love your videos! I’ve seen hundreds of e-bike videos, and yours always hovers at the top! The area you shot this video in, is beautiful! So much lush greenery! Where abouts is this located?
NC
Love the Carolinas!
I want that bike so bad .iam still trying to figure out how to get it shipped to Canada. I might have to look closer at Ecells they say they can ship to Canada .so one way or another iam getting another new bike 😊
Is this version of the cruiser easier to step through than the last version. I find the 2024 1st version is not that easy to put your foot through. The battery gets in the way. Does the suspension get in the way on the latest version? It looks like it's easier. I'm 70 years old and 6'2".
It is easy to put your foot thru!! I had an opportunity to ride an earlier Wired step thru prototype that was rejected because there was no room to step thru. The new Jail Cell Step Star will be nicknamed the Trip Star from the photos I’ve seen. The other guy is clearly not testing anything and there is little hope E cells can improve its F rating from the Better Business Bureau with the turds he’s turning out.
Order mine thanks for all you do buddy
Got it for my wife did your wife try this one?
They about the same height
Ken
How is this beast to ride without the pedal assist to get a bit of exercise? Is it as difficult as I imagine for a 100lb bike?
Does the throttle follow menu have percentage settings too? I've seen people with this bike seem like it's 3000w throttle no matter the 1-5 level setting.
@Jolly-Green-Steve if throttle follow is set to YES, then throttle power will increase as PAS increases.
if throttle follow is set to NO then throttle has full power at all times
The controller for this bike is a 45ah 60v Wired Branded Controller made by Patriot Systems. I couldn't find any info about this company (Patriot). Could there be any thermal issues with the high output controller and the battery balancer stuffed into the small sealed bottom bracket? Also, how do we know if Patriot Systems controllers are any good? Is there any history on this company? The controller is kind of an important component...! The Freedom model mounts theirs externally with a heatsinked case. The E-cells 5 Star also does this. Even E-Cells step through model (closest competitor to the Wired Cruiser) is mounting their controller externally. I hope the unknown controller brand & tight (relatively) unventilated mount location does not come back to bite owners in the butt.
Bike is very wobbly. Everything tight. Any recommendations?
Yeah, you should buy the more expensive and much less powerful e cell bike from a company who has a F from the BBB and whose owner is a convicted felon and pathological liar who started the company while on parole after serving 11 years for murder. Google is your friend, don’t be a fool tricked by a con man.
Actually, looks like the e cell frame is prone to rear load induced death wobble. Adding a second battery to an untested frame (AWD wouldn’t exhibit the problem) might prove disastrous. E cells is not testing their bikes, just look at the gates drive and torque sensor fails, so who knows what defects will emerge.
I purchased this exact bike, I am very apprehensive with the size and weigh, Being 80 and fighting a serious illness, I am left with a difficult decision, as I look at , sitting in my living room it looks over powering. I am not sure other buyers have the same feeling. I am not sure to try and ride this monster or sell it ,I hope this might help older people that may consider the purchase. Also it did arrive damaged, not major, but with issues.
I would wait for the changes talked about here (like the stronger headlight bracket) before buying, but man does this have great performance capability.
My only complaint would be the appearance of frame welds. My Aventone Aventure 2 frame welds are so smooth, you don't even realize there are welds on it.
With the rear battery, I think I would need the higher seat post since I tend to sit further back on my seat, but what would the MINIMUM height be with that post?? 🤔
I can stand with feet on ground without getting off the seat of my Aventone.
(Question) Could you please help out the very short crowd please? Wired Cruiser distance from saddle at its lowest adjustment to pedal at its lowest point? Thanks in advance!
27inches
The Cruiser step through is the best looking one I've ever seen.
Agreed. Had to get that lime green! My grasshopper
Awesome. You replied to my question on a previous video about your front motor kit not being able to be used. If the thru axle front forks were replaced with the older style quick release type, your kit would work right? I really want two motors for grip in sand. Not worried about speed at all.
That is correct, the old style RST with quick release would work