the diamonds attempting to destroy earth is nowhere near solar system level, it’s planetary this took the combined power of 3 diamonds btw, and they were most likely holding back on kaiju steven kaiju steven is city level (maybe?) from the feats we see, meanwhile mark is considered to be one of the strongest viltrumites, and 500 years mark is a whole different beast omni man and a few other viltrumites worked together to destroy a huge planet (it was destabilised, sure, but it was a huge planet) and mark hugely surpasses omni man after a while i still reckon steven has this, but not by the huge margin you had originally thought
"omni man and a few other viltrumites worked together to destroy a huge planet" we dont have enough information on viltrum size, although its probably bigger than earth due to the moons and gravity, BUT viltrum itself, regardless of size, its extremely tough, because the space racer weapon, which was stated to destroy both planets and stars, viltrum not only tanked a shot from this weapon but was said to restabilize had it not gotten the extra push This is important because it means that Viltrum has star levels of durability
I think the splat is because in Invincible the characters damage output is more than their durability, much like how I can shatter my knuckles if I were to try to punch a concrete wall full force.
Solar system to at least drawf star Steven is such an insane wank bro 😭🙏 1. The Diamonds aren't even stated to blast Earth all the way from Homeworld. 2. The blast scales nowhere since it's a dura neg blast, not something with genuine AP. There's nothing to indicate they'd be able to replicate the same energy output to produce the light for the literal hax in form of AP, since, y'know, it's a hax. 3. Steven's most likely reasonable scaling is around the continental range to at best multi-continental with pretty low speed args in comparison to Invincible. Mark would speedblitz him so unbelievably hard he wouldn't even process it.
Okay, to explain a little more, the energy required to do that would be on that level. The energy requirement would be Drawn Star level, Solar System level, whatever calc you can find online. If you want to know more, I got the calc from the VS Battles Wiki.
Everything the diamonds made outside of the end of the show its a plothole and shouldnt be take into account. Steven is mountain level and only his monster form is planetary
Yeah, but people scale it’s power for some reason. It doesn’t make sense as the attack was solely meant to destroy the gems on the planet. Not destroying the planet itself.
@@fudouakio4759 yeah, that’s the thing that makes no sense. The attack cannot physically affect the surface of the planet nor any non-gems. Which is why it doesn’t make sense to use in a sense of his strength. You could use it to scale his gem powers though I guess. But I’m a fight against a non-gem it doesn’t make sense. Because if I remember gem powers don’t work on non-gems right? I can’t exactly remember.
How does the diamond's attempt at destroying the rebels scale to Solar system level exactly? Because they didn't kill anything, just corrupted gems I'm not trying to underestimate Steven Universe, I just want to know why it scales that high because it doesn't really show any AP or DC, just corrupting properties or maybe I'm misremembering stuff.
@Unremarkable6969 But calculations based on what because I legitimately can't see how it's solar system level, let alone planetary. That's like saying the Satellite laser that Cecil launched at Nolan is Solar System level and just not giving any other explanation other than "because it does." Like even in the process that creates the gems in SU does more damage to a planet than the Diamond's beam :v
The energy output would be equivalent to Solar System level AP, I think that's why. The energy required to create something like that, and have it reach earth in such a short time when the Gem Homeworld is in another far off galaxy, that's probably it. I got the calc from the VS Battles Wiki, if you wanna track it down.
@Unremarkable6969 For sure, I can see how it could reach solar system level now but I still find it a bit confusing since the diamonds threw that to KILL but the corrupting light doesn't do much else except corrupt gems, and like- its VERY easy to harm a gem, like pearl got poofed by a sword and amethyst broke her gem by accident. I don't think it's a curbstomp, personally, but now that you mention that I can see an argument made by both sides tbh Steven from SU future is kinda underrated. Atom Eve solos tho
Light in Steven Universe acts as what is known as a "Universal Energy System". I.E, in order for the Diamonds to have produced that much light, they would have needed to have directly acted as its power source and needed to have directly powered it. Additionally, there are multiple instances where the Diamonds *have* used the light energy in their bodies for attack purposes which do damage things and people. The purpose of the Diamond Blast calc was not to calculate the damage it could cause, but rather the energy needed to produce light which illuminated the distance between two galaxies. Gems in Steven Universe consistently also operate under mass-energy equivalence laws, so they very much could apply the energy used to power the corrupting light to power their attacks, which again, we've seen them do.
Great video man, I'm so glad I found this channel. I heard your next video will be gt vs super. I know you probably won't be going over zeno or his feats, but I have some info you might be interested in, in case you do go over him. (This is gonna be pretty long, i apologize in advance.) I made this scale myself a while back, and I'm really proud of it. I know this is gonna sound insane, but I scale zeno to outer. Hear me out before you kill me. So, there's something in dragonball called the subspace. It's the dimension used for instant transmission, and it's said specifically to be "devoid of the concepts of space and time". Keyword is concepts. Since it's the very concepts, that means the subspace lacks dimensionality completely, and in normal scenarios this would make it 0d. But the subspace can't be 0d for two reasons. In the coolers revenge guidebook, it says that the subspace transcends time. This could be seen as non-canon, but there's another reason it can't be 0d. It's stated directly in the guides that the hyperbolic time chamber is held within the subspace. The time chamber itself is nothing special, just an earth sized 3d space with warped time, but the subspace being able to hold a 3d space means it can't be 0d. The overvoid has nearly this exact same definition. Devoid of space and time but can hold real dimensions. There's an argument here that the subspace itself qualifies as outer, but you don't need it to be outer to get zeno there. The time ring for trunk's parallel timeline was destroyed when zeno wiped the timeline. Meaning absolutely everything is gone, including the subspace. Now if you think the subspace isn't outer (don't blame you) you'd probably just consider this a 0d feat, and if zeno had been in the subspace at the time I would agree, but he wasn't. Zeno wiped a dimensionless space that is said directly in the guides to be "separate from all dimensions and universes". It also says it belongs to no worlds and is completely disconnected from them. In order to destroy a space completely outside dimensionality while in an area completely disconnected from said space, you'd need an outer level attack, one that goes beyond dimensionality itself. Keep in mind this DOES NOT apply to characters like goku or beerus. Zeno is the one and only character who's so much as affected the subspace itself much less destroyed it in super. I have all the evidence and scans on a post I made titled "Funny zeno scale" on r/powerscaling. (I know, reddits pretty terrible, try not to let that sway your opinion lol). If you respond to this comment unremarkable, ill buy an extra sonic 3 ticket when i go see it tomorrow. Anything for my boy shadow
@ I wouldn’t say that considering the multiple infinite power statements in just the early dragon ball manga. Roshi has one, piccolo has like 2 or 3 and even nappa has one in the anime. Steven is underrated tho.
💯Love the respect you gave to my boy steven. Is there any chance you could scale Ok Ko, its a very underated show imo and i want someone shine someone light on it.
Steven's defenses can withstand Mark's attacks but he does NOT compare to Mark's strenght, speed or durability. Steven would also NOT turn into his monster state in the middle of a fight so I call complete bs
Steven doesn't need to be in his monster form to be as strong His monster form is quite literally just shape shifting, he thought of himself as a monster, and so he became a monster, using his Pink state is more than enough given his pink self was able to easily shrug off an attack from White diamond when she was angry, white easily outscales the other diamonds with there being no reason to assume her part of the diamond blast was even much given she knew pink was alive as rose by knowing the whole thing from the start
@@Unremarkable6969 yeah can't steven either slow down time or move so fast that time seems slow to him? Doesn't he just speed blitz and tank everything mark can do?
But the diamonds didnt try to destroy earth with their powers, they were trying to destroy all the gems that were on it instead which they failed to do so it is no where near solar system, not even planetary as they didnt even manage to surface wipe the earth seeing as how humans still exist.
@@Unremarkable6969 the calcs could be wrong or the context could be different as when you say solar system level, it makes it sound as if they could destroy a solar system but the clip you show does not indicate that at all. The gems society as a whole could probably do it over time with their technology but definitely not individually in a combat scenario basis.
@@JamesusLim You do realize you can produce enough energy to destroy something without actually destroying it? I think you fundamentally misunderstand what he meant by the diamonds scaling to solar system level. You don't have to destroy something to produce enough energy TO destroy it. You could easily crush a bug with your fist, but if you swing you fist at air it's still "bug level". Someone could easily calc your punch as being "bug level" simply by using basic physics equations (using the velocity/acceleration of your fist, its mass etc), even though you didn't actually kill the bug. So no, even though they weren't intending on destroying earth but rather the gems, at which they failed to do, they still can scale to solar system level.
Okay, to expand on what I was saying, my bad I was under the weather :3 But anyway, while the attack didn't destroy anything, the energy required to perform a feat like that would be on those levels. The energy requirement is what matters for something like this. If you want to know more, I pulled the calc from the VS Battles wiki
Doesn’t mark take people out to space and actually suffocate them like that’s a thing he does grab someone and bring them to space. Ain’t that a win com since Steven can’t do anything in space while mark can and will leave him there.
@@HJwhatifs He would need to do that at the start of the fight, and I didn't get to cover this but Steven is actually faster, or at least his reaction speed is.
@@HJwhatifsMark can easily scale to 147 trillion to 735 trillion times FTL. The only reason people say that their travel speed Dosent scale to their C/R is because well, it’s travel speed. But given they perceive where they fly and what’s around them this should at least scale to reaction speed. Like thragg got multiple hits off of mark before he could Even react and mark should be able to react to how fast he flys so I mean, that should scale thragg to that travel speed and later on mark could fight him hand to hand I’d say their travel equals their C/R given this.
Kaiju Steven should NOT be a factor in for this scenario, but instead should be Pink Steven. Physically, Pink Steven should be relative to Jasper who tanked 2 point blank explosions. One from Peridot's ship core, and the other from the ship itself crashing and exploding. Steven casually threw hands with her and thus should at LEAST be large town level in his Pink State (which is less than what you scaled for Mark.) Steven's shields and other defensive tools being strong enough to withstand Mark's attacks is plausible (considering his shields shattered Jasper too), but Mark getting splatted from punching Steven himself is a lot less likely because Steven's own durability is a lot lower compared his shields.
That being said, it doesnt change much qhen steven largely uses his shields rather than tanking point blank. Mark would at least break a bone or two against one of the shields.
@@hooparainbowbraceypkmonand7862 Not really. I would say that his higher end feats come from his shields taking high energy outputs, but there aren't any feats that I can think of that test Steven's psychical capabilities to the point that they are on par with his shields, or are at least better than large-town and/or maybe mountain level. Then again, Mark could be weak to the point that Steven's scaling is tough enough, but I am not well versed with Mark's power scaling.
Comics mark is at best solar system but at 281 foes. There are universal and multi solar wanks but those aren’t very valid. Large star-solar system is where they are best scaled imo but no Steven scales MUCH deeper into solar system then mark does so Steven beats comics unless you use crossovers
invinvible too, he was in the fastes CoP ship that could travel from Talescria (CoP main planet) to earth in a week, note that CoP is located in the virgo supercluster which is 65 millions light years away from earth, and mark outspeed this ship
Stevan being star level is also an outlier and doesn’t make any rear sense, the splat effect is neat tho, still don’t think he’s winning since marks so much faster
Even if he was, it's stated multiple times in the Invincible comics that characters slow down when they're in the atmosphere of a planet, so Mark would be nerfed.
@@Unremarkable6969They have the choice to accelerate. They just don’t because they would tear it apart, but if this match is taking place in Steven’s world why would Steven get to move at his FTL speeds and mark Dosent. Once mark sees Steven move at speeds that would regularly rip the atmosphere apart mark would definitely match that speed and more. Besides it’s been disproven in canon anyway, there are tons of instances where mark and others move faster than Mach 10 in an atmosphere
Solar System level Steven? Eh, that feel's a bit bloated, especially because that calc is pretty definitively meant to be a high-end (not to mention the other calcs that have it at *much* lower). I do think Steven wins, but I don't think the stomp factor is quite *that* big.
In my defense, that's a calc I got from the VS Battles Wiki, and it made sense to me considering how far away the Gem homeworld is to earth. But it can also be scaled to Dwarf Star level as a lower end calc. It could go either way, I suppose.
@@Unremarkable6969 BTW GODZILLA STEVEN even without the diamond feat is stronger than the cluster which is covered at full power is much bigger than earth so you can get steven to large planetary anyways plus he bubbled it himself as a kid too
I've seen other scaling for Steven, apparently there are ways to get him to his namesake, Universal. Even using his lower end meta's, he still bodies the lower end meta's of Invincible.
I must say...a big downplay for Mark.Like - a real big.I can bring Mark to Star level without even mentioning Omnipotus once.Hell - I can bring Nolan to that level.The only way people downplay viltrumites to below star level is because Mark and Thragg were being burned while fighting inside of the star,but it is not because they have bad durability,but because they have limited Heat Resistance.Even normal people can punch melted metal with their bare hands if they do it fast,but if put inside - they would burn.It is a common misconception. Plus - bringing an attack that is supposed to destroy earth to a star level sounds really disingenuous.There is one feat that suggests such a level of power from diamonds - and it is a shared feat of the 3 of them shooting a beam at the earth.And Rose was only able to block it with her shields,not her body. Plus - you forgot to mention speed.Steven and other travel space on spaceships and teleportation platforms.Mark legit just flies through galaxy's in weeks.This is millions to billions times the speed of light on the lowball.Steven wouldn't have the time to even BEGIN condensing the shield as Mark will turn his stone into dust.
I don't subscribe to Star Level scaling for Invincible, from what I've seen the more common scaling ranges from those Multi-continental to Large Planetary.
@Unremarkable6969 ...I wrote a whole-ass list of feats that put Invincible characters(like mid-tiers,not even top tiers) at planetary,and top tiers at large star to solar system level,and also said about how Steven doesn't move NEARLY quick enough to stop Mark if he wants to kill him.And Kaiju Steven is a mindless rage mister,so Mark doesn't even need to punch him - he can just grab him on the spine and fly him into the Sun,before flying out. But RUclips hates me so it deleted like half an hour of writing)
@@Unremarkable6969Yeah but you must consider that all of those multi continental and large planet feats are casual. Like in issue 5 mark was already multi continental during his fight with Allen. And in a canon crossover with tick he pushed a moon into mars with him, and was fine. The calculation for that being large planet and nearly dwarf star. 23,458km)/0.51sec = 45,938.58333 km/s or 45,938,583 m/s (0.153c) (Relativistic) Using RKE- 3.375e+37J or ~8.07 Ninatons/Ronnatons of TNT (Large Planet level+) Divide by 2- 1.6875e+37J or ~4.03 Ninatons/Ronnatons of TNT (Large Planet level) for Invincible and Tick LS- 1.6875e+37/23458000 = 7.1937079e+29N (Pre-Stellar) These casual large planet feats and my previously mentioned dwarf star explanation of the viltrum feat would make star level much more plausible
@@Unremarkable6969 So your whole youtube channel is about scaling but you're refusing debate? I don't even make scaling videos, but I could easily put invincible at high outer and higher with my scans. You've also ducked my friend in this comment section who refuted your entire video. Your response is "I do not feel passionate about this debate". Well, if you don't feel passionate about this debate then you shouldn't have even made the video.
@BoxyDoesEdits "High Outer" Invincible, get outta here. I don't wanna debate, end of story. I have no obligation to debate you, I have no reason to debate you, I do not owe you a debate.
Though I do agree Steven wins multi continental to large planet invincible is kinda low balling. I mean the viltrum feat alone is dwarf star given viltrum has spherical moons the smallest of which must be 1000 kilometers given it’s a sphere. Comparing the moon to viltrum which is a pixel difference of 70.625 you’d get viltrum to roughly 5.5 times the sizes of earth. Low end: 3.5582439e+38/3 = 1.1860813e+38J or 28.35 Ninatons of TNT (Dwarf Star level) LS- 1.1860813e+38/52881772.8 = 2.2428925e+30N (Stellar) Mid end: 1.4234452e+39/3 = 4.7448173e+38J or ~113.4 Ninatons of TNT (Dwarf Star level) LS- 4.7448173e+38/52881772.8 = 8.9725004e+30N (Stellar) High end: 1.2821648e+40/3 = 4.2738827e+39J or ~1.02 Tenatons of TNT (Dwarf Star level) LS- 4.2738827e+39/52881772.8 = 8.0819581e+31N (Stellar) And even then there are far better ways to get mark and others to large star-solar system anyway. But even marks solar system high balls don’t really stack up against Steven
@@Image_empire That feat isn't something any of them would scale to. For one, it was done with three people, so Mark wouldn't get all of it. Two, the planet was already destabilized because of a gun that can pop stars. And three, it was stated that if they got caught in the explosion, they would die, heavily implying they don't scale to the destruction of Planet viltrum.
@@Unremarkable6969 Well the calc is already divided by 3, secondly if a star busting weapon only temporarily destabilizes it, that only serves to upscale the planets density. And 3 it was stated by thadues that they COULD have died in impact, nothing was said about the explosion being the cause, and as for thadues’s statement for one he’s never planet busted before or has seen it happen so I doubt he’d actually know for fact they would die, and 2 it’s likely the heat of the core would have killed them instead of the impact, and no a weakness to heat Dosent negate scaling Martin manhunter fights Superman and he is harmed by every day fire and no one seems to have an issue with it but people use the fact viltrumites are weak to heat as a way to say they aren’t star level at all. And if you wanna argue that they were “knocked out” they were pretty clearly just knocked back from the explosion like if you were sprinting and someone shoved you from behind you’d fall over, and if they were truly KO’d for a long amount of time thragg would have killed them on the spot like he did thadues. I’d say mark scales to this calc
Mark at best scales to 281 foes if you scale viltrums density to space racers gun but that’s as high as he gets. Steven scaled to 3.9 mega foes. So yeah that’s a huge power difference
@@NoSauceOrBroth Yeah he did damage a blood lusted solar man who easily beat spawn. And his father stalemated mean supreme who was stated to be similar in power to solar man. But that’s crossovers I was only referring to what we see in main invincible
What would happen Mori Jin from the God of Highschool was in the anime Dragon Ball Z and the DBZ movies storyline? How much of a powerhouse would he be and how would his array of abilities and techniques fair in Dragon Ball Z and against movie villains?
@Unremarkable6969 With how much of a powerhouse Mori Jin can become in a short period of time and the Insane amount of powerful clones he can spawn to fight with him and almost as powerful as him I think he can keep up and surpass all Z saga characters and forms. It's not going to be a good time for Bojack and Super Perfect Cell to fight him and he has some maddening multiplier forms.
no offense invincible stomps Steven he literally only multi Continental and barely light speed mark is planetary with mftl+ speeds no bias at all he litreally stomps
His reaction speed is fast enough to react to a similar attack from White Diamond. While Mark MIGHT be faster at top speed, it's stated multiple times in the Invincible comics that they slow down whenever they reach the atmosphere of a planet. So Mark would be heavy nerfed.
@@Unremarkable6969They choose to slow down. Not that an atmosphere makes them slow down. And besides we’ve seen them do feats of a relativistic-light speed range in an atmosphere anyway. Not to mention his perception should scale to his MFTL+ travel speed
Sun disk isn’t even valid tho. If you want star level viltrumites tech jacket is much more reliable. You can pretty reliably get mark to solar system via a star busting gun only destabilizing viltrum and upscaling viltrums density. Making it a feat of 281.31 foes for Mark. But even then Steven scales far deeper into solar system
@@Image_empire I honestly haven't seen any convincing arguments against Solar Disk scaling. Coalition lacks weapons that can harm Viltrumites, and their basic ships have a cannon that can destroy a massive solar disk. with the only real big anti-feat being the Viltrum bust, though that doesn't work since like you said, it tanked a star exploding gun.
@@helton1812 Also what would thadues even know about planet busting he’s never witnessed it or done it. And it’s far more likely the cores heat would have done them in rather than any impact. As they are weak to heat, which Dosent even negate scaling. And besides they weren’t even hurt by the viltrum feat and the viltrum feat itself is dwarf star level. Any planet or small planet level calc is invalid given it has a yield lower than viltrums GBE. So they just aren’t usable and every channel that downplays invincible uses those💀
I mean... it's not wrong tho. That's part of the irony of the character. Despite the name, outside of his drive to keep moving forward, Eren Approved 👍 Mark regularly ends up a mess and more often that not, gets dog-walked for 80% of the series.
@@Netherwolf6100 That’s the point he’s not meant to be physically invincible but his drive to keep going is what makes him invincible. If getting cooked in fights is the reason why he’s a fraud then that’s just a lack of understanding of who mark is.
@@غيثطالبسليم-و8ل I'm actually researching that video cause I got it requested, but currently I don't see how Sukuna could put Muzan down permanently, unless Sukuna can make the fight last until the day
@@Unremarkable6969 fire arrow with a domain expansion. Muzan doesn't have any type of heat resistance to say that he would be able to survive a full aoe explosion from a healthy sukuna who's domain expansion is perfectly fine (the shrine range isn't reduced like in season 2 nor does it have a 99 seconds like in the manga and the only reason why sukuna wasn't able to pull it out on gojo was because of sukuna was changing the rules of his domain.) And sukuna could most likely be able to opened his domain faster than mahito (who can to open his domain for 0.2. And hakari was stated to be able to open his domain faster than mahito and everyone that watched the gojo vs sukuna fight were barely were able to react to both sukuna and Gojo opening their domains. Also soul damage should stop his regeneration. Also sukuna does have more higher scaling than muzan to like mountain and island level (from domain scaling and the possibility of Gojo creating an earthquake that was felt crossed Japan) so I don't see muzan doing any damage to sukuna.
@@Unremarkable6969 Soul attacks. Sukuna can perceive Souls and attack them (He damaged Mahito, whose powers allow him to restore the shape of his Soul to negate any damage that falls upon his body)
@@Unremarkable6969 Sukuna can just cut Muzan into pieces quicker then he can regenerate his body until the sunrise.Sukuna was getting jumped by the entire cast and still was ready to continue as long as the want.Fighting one enemy that has lesser variety and with his only good ability being regeneration?That would be like using a punching bag that cries and tries to run away because you are too scary(reminder - Muzan is a giant coward)
@@Unremarkable6969 if it was actually dwarf star level the earth would be atomized all they did was shine a massive flashlight that failed to kill gems caught in its blast and corrupted them
@@Unremarkable6969 the giant flashlight that did nothing to plants or animals and even failed to kill gems who mind you can get shattered by falling on a cliff or getting pilebunkered is considered dwarf star? Sure maybe the energy required to output it does but that doesn't equal attack potency. An example is me saying the suns light shines on me and i tanked it therefore i have star level durability
Sun disk isn’t reliable, I don’t think i know anyone who actually uses it other than death battle. Tech jacket is better to use to scale viltrumites to star level and beyond
@Image_empire nah im making fun of people who use that as a viable feat. Planetary-MAYBE-large planetary is my agreed scaling for invincible when not using those dubious crossovers Omniman had
Again not taking Tech Jacket into account. My knowledge on his is minimal to none, so until I know more for him I don't account his feats when understanding the rest of the verse's powers
@@germex1837 The viltrum feat alone is dwarf star. Given viltrum has spherical moons and to be spherical it must be 1000 kilometers so comparing the pixels of that to viltrum the planet is 70,625 kilometers. Making it much larger than earth. Low end: 3.5582439e+38/3 = 1.1860813e+38J or 28.35 Ninatons of TNT (Dwarf Star level) LS- 1.1860813e+38/52881772.8 = 2.2428925e+30N (Stellar) Mid end: 1.4234452e+39/3 = 4.7448173e+38J or ~113.4 Ninatons of TNT (Dwarf Star level) LS- 4.7448173e+38/52881772.8 = 8.9725004e+30N (Stellar) High end: 1.2821648e+40/3 = 4.2738827e+39J or ~1.02 Tenatons of TNT (Dwarf Star level) LS- 4.2738827e+39/52881772.8 = 8.0819581e+31N (Stellar)
@@germex1837 Not to mention in a canon crossover with tick mark pushed a moon into mars and that’s a large planet almost dwarf star feat. 23,458km)/0.51sec = 45,938.58333 km/s or 45,938,583 m/s (0.153c) (Relativistic) Using RKE- 3.375e+37J or ~8.07 Ninatons/Ronnatons of TNT (Large Planet level+) Divide by 2- 1.6875e+37J or ~4.03 Ninatons/Ronnatons of TNT (Large Planet level) for Invincible and Tick LS- 1.6875e+37/23458000 = 7.1937079e+29N (Pre-Stellar)
@@ConeAJ Steven scales to everyone in the verse in his Kaiju form, which I would give him for a VS match up. Even on the low end he's Planetary with MFTL speed, based on defeating the Cluster and reacting to White Diamonds attacks. His higher scaling push him up to MFTL+ with much higher calcs, depending on who you're asking.
@@Image_empire no it's not adult Mark the stronger than Omni man adult mark is large planet level st best bardock is 10000 more than enough to blob of moon
@@NephilimSeth They are dwarf star at least via viltrum being a dwarf star feat. But tech jacket in his own comics had star level scaling and via a series of AP multipliers you’d find Omni man at large star. Potentially even solar system if you take into account that space racers gun a gun that scales above anything in the cosmos, couldn’t bust viltrum so it upscales viltrums durability above pulsars. Since it was stated it can destroy anything that means it can destroy pulsars with a GBE of 4.851e+46J or ~485.1 Foe (Solar System level) The infinity ray was only strong enough to weaken Viltrums core which makes the planet more durable than a solar system. To calc this I'll assume the beam overcame the GBE of the core and use that to find the GBE of the entire planet. Core Mass Core is 36.5% the mass of earth Durability of Viltrum: (4.851e+46/36.5) * 100 = 1.329041096e+47J or ~1329.04 Foe (Solar System level) Viltrumite's output: (1.329041096e+47 * 0.635)/3 = 2.813136987e+46J or ~281.31 Foe (Solar System level) for each LS- 2.813136987e+46/19081615.76 = 1.4742656e+39N (Multi-Stellar)
Omnipotus isn't really an outlier since mark also scales to tech jacket sun disk space racer and arguably supreme which would make it somewhat a little consistent The viltrum feat can also get to small star to higher level ranges due to it happening fast enough for no one to react to it and going past it's ring system to destroying it's moons
Also savage dragon makes the scaling a bit more consistent as well. He killed solar man who easily fought canon spawn and savage dragon is a jobber in invincible
My bad, had to take a short break, now we're back.
Steven Universe Vs BM Naruto
invincible Vs G5 Luffy
@unknodaemon9220 Bayron Mode Naruto solos, unironically.
@@Unremarkable6969 Didn't u just scale Steven Solar System 😭
@@Unremarkable6969Sorry but naruto doesn't go any further past planet level 🙂
@@Algeria_World4anti spiral lol
Mark watching his internal organs spontaniously combust after trying to punch the Teen with severe PTSD he met on beach city:
Literally tho
What the sigma
Invincible:❌
Vincible:✅
@@nathanbardol1236 Almost Invincible
@Unremarkable6969 invincible ÷ 5
If steven wasn't so nice he would make mark thinking about changing his hero cus it sure is not invincible.
"Vincible" isn't nearly as catchy tho
@@Unremarkable6969what about punching bag?
Steven is gonna try and talk it out with mark. mark is gonna hit him, explode, and Steven is gonna cry because a dude just splattered all over him
I would cry too if a dude punch me and he just explodes in a not so cartoony way
Bro. The Steven glaze is insane.
@ there’s no way a moai pfp named truth speaker is talking to me
@@slimeyartz15 there’s no way this guy is disrespecting a moai with a poorly drawn dog pfp💀
@@TruthSpeaker2.0f now I know you’re gen alpha, you don’t even know who parappa is
the diamonds attempting to destroy earth is nowhere near solar system level, it’s planetary
this took the combined power of 3 diamonds btw, and they were most likely holding back on kaiju steven
kaiju steven is city level (maybe?) from the feats we see, meanwhile mark is considered to be one of the strongest viltrumites, and 500 years mark is a whole different beast
omni man and a few other viltrumites worked together to destroy a huge planet (it was destabilised, sure, but it was a huge planet) and mark hugely surpasses omni man after a while
i still reckon steven has this, but not by the huge margin you had originally thought
"omni man and a few other viltrumites worked together to destroy a huge planet"
we dont have enough information on viltrum size, although its probably bigger than earth due to the moons and gravity, BUT viltrum itself, regardless of size, its extremely tough, because the space racer weapon, which was stated to destroy both planets and stars, viltrum not only tanked a shot from this weapon but was said to restabilize had it not gotten the extra push This is important because it means that Viltrum has star levels of durability
YES STEVEN GETTING SOME LOVE
He is actually cracked
Even though he’s trash
@skytheemperorno
steven is muti continental.. diamonds didnt wanted to destroy earth only wanted to destroy the gems
That only makes the feat more impressive
The attack affect all corners of the world technically so it is planetary.
planeta grande
Mark when he learns blood manipulation when hitting a child who crashes out about not even getting rejected:
Steven: I thought you were stronger.
@lightyearpig12 invincible: yeah I thought I was...
Pops from regular show victims
I think the splat is because in Invincible the characters damage output is more than their durability, much like how I can shatter my knuckles if I were to try to punch a concrete wall full force.
That means the wall is tougher than our fist
W Put respect on my boy name
Steven is unironically cracked
@Unremarkable6969 nah fr
Solid 9/10 bait
Solar system to at least drawf star Steven is such an insane wank bro 😭🙏
1. The Diamonds aren't even stated to blast Earth all the way from Homeworld.
2. The blast scales nowhere since it's a dura neg blast, not something with genuine AP. There's nothing to indicate they'd be able to replicate the same energy output to produce the light for the literal hax in form of AP, since, y'know, it's a hax.
3. Steven's most likely reasonable scaling is around the continental range to at best multi-continental with pretty low speed args in comparison to Invincible. Mark would speedblitz him so unbelievably hard he wouldn't even process it.
@@pacol.4302 calcs would disagree with you
@@pacol.4302 that's how it's supposed to be his strength scales to his durability
@@Unremarkable6969 Calcs that take a durability negation attack as attack potency as well as ignoring the logistics of the story in the process.
Okay, to explain a little more, the energy required to do that would be on that level. The energy requirement would be Drawn Star level, Solar System level, whatever calc you can find online. If you want to know more, I got the calc from the VS Battles Wiki.
@@Unremarkable6969 Even if the energy required for the feat was that level, again, it's a hax that doesn't necessarily translate into attack potency.
Everything the diamonds made outside of the end of the show its a plothole and shouldnt be take into account.
Steven is mountain level and only his monster form is planetary
So anyway
Deadass, wasnt that Diamond light literally just light? It wasnt meant to actually do physical damage, but instead corrupt other gems?
Yeah, but people scale it’s power for some reason. It doesn’t make sense as the attack was solely meant to destroy the gems on the planet. Not destroying the planet itself.
@ I mean I can understand the energy required to do smthn like that but if theres not an actual force behind it…
@@fudouakio4759 yeah, that’s the thing that makes no sense. The attack cannot physically affect the surface of the planet nor any non-gems. Which is why it doesn’t make sense to use in a sense of his strength. You could use it to scale his gem powers though I guess. But I’m a fight against a non-gem it doesn’t make sense. Because if I remember gem powers don’t work on non-gems right? I can’t exactly remember.
The corruption was the UNINTENDED effect. The diamonds actual intent was to kill/destroy the diamonds on earth, but they failed
@@ethan7376 Gem powers do work on non gems..? Case and point steven fusing with connie, and later steven fusing with his dad greg
Im been dying to see somebody scale Steven
How does the diamond's attempt at destroying the rebels scale to Solar system level exactly? Because they didn't kill anything, just corrupted gems
I'm not trying to underestimate Steven Universe, I just want to know why it scales that high because it doesn't really show any AP or DC, just corrupting properties or maybe I'm misremembering stuff.
That's what calcs say man, I don't make the rules.
@Unremarkable6969
But calculations based on what because I legitimately can't see how it's solar system level, let alone planetary.
That's like saying the Satellite laser that Cecil launched at Nolan is Solar System level and just not giving any other explanation other than "because it does."
Like even in the process that creates the gems in SU does more damage to a planet than the Diamond's beam :v
The energy output would be equivalent to Solar System level AP, I think that's why. The energy required to create something like that, and have it reach earth in such a short time when the Gem Homeworld is in another far off galaxy, that's probably it. I got the calc from the VS Battles Wiki, if you wanna track it down.
@Unremarkable6969
For sure, I can see how it could reach solar system level now but I still find it a bit confusing since the diamonds threw that to KILL but the corrupting light doesn't do much else except corrupt gems, and like- its VERY easy to harm a gem, like pearl got poofed by a sword and amethyst broke her gem by accident.
I don't think it's a curbstomp, personally, but now that you mention that I can see an argument made by both sides tbh
Steven from SU future is kinda underrated.
Atom Eve solos tho
Light in Steven Universe acts as what is known as a "Universal Energy System". I.E, in order for the Diamonds to have produced that much light, they would have needed to have directly acted as its power source and needed to have directly powered it. Additionally, there are multiple instances where the Diamonds *have* used the light energy in their bodies for attack purposes which do damage things and people. The purpose of the Diamond Blast calc was not to calculate the damage it could cause, but rather the energy needed to produce light which illuminated the distance between two galaxies. Gems in Steven Universe consistently also operate under mass-energy equivalence laws, so they very much could apply the energy used to power the corrupting light to power their attacks, which again, we've seen them do.
This is questionable not going to lie for me I'm not going to lie to you my boy
Both silver victims
Great video man, I'm so glad I found this channel.
I heard your next video will be gt vs super. I know you probably won't be going over zeno or his feats, but I have some info you might be interested in, in case you do go over him.
(This is gonna be pretty long, i apologize in advance.)
I made this scale myself a while back, and I'm really proud of it.
I know this is gonna sound insane, but I scale zeno to outer. Hear me out before you kill me.
So, there's something in dragonball called the subspace. It's the dimension used for instant transmission, and it's said specifically to be "devoid of the concepts of space and time". Keyword is concepts.
Since it's the very concepts, that means the subspace lacks dimensionality completely, and in normal scenarios this would make it 0d. But the subspace can't be 0d for two reasons. In the coolers revenge guidebook, it says that the subspace transcends time. This could be seen as non-canon, but there's another reason it can't be 0d. It's stated directly in the guides that the hyperbolic time chamber is held within the subspace. The time chamber itself is nothing special, just an earth sized 3d space with warped time, but the subspace being able to hold a 3d space means it can't be 0d.
The overvoid has nearly this exact same definition. Devoid of space and time but can hold real dimensions. There's an argument here that the subspace itself qualifies as outer, but you don't need it to be outer to get zeno there.
The time ring for trunk's parallel timeline was destroyed when zeno wiped the timeline. Meaning absolutely everything is gone, including the subspace. Now if you think the subspace isn't outer (don't blame you) you'd probably just consider this a 0d feat, and if zeno had been in the subspace at the time I would agree, but he wasn't.
Zeno wiped a dimensionless space that is said directly in the guides to be "separate from all dimensions and universes". It also says it belongs to no worlds and is completely disconnected from them.
In order to destroy a space completely outside dimensionality while in an area completely disconnected from said space, you'd need an outer level attack, one that goes beyond dimensionality itself.
Keep in mind this DOES NOT apply to characters like goku or beerus. Zeno is the one and only character who's so much as affected the subspace itself much less destroyed it in super.
I have all the evidence and scans on a post I made titled "Funny zeno scale" on r/powerscaling. (I know, reddits pretty terrible, try not to let that sway your opinion lol).
If you respond to this comment unremarkable, ill buy an extra sonic 3 ticket when i go see it tomorrow. Anything for my boy shadow
Thank goodness bro. There’s people on the poll saying Steven dies and I’m like, “really?”
Steven is actually cracked, he might actually be able to throw hands with early to mid DBZ characters
@ I wouldn’t say that considering the multiple infinite power statements in just the early dragon ball manga. Roshi has one, piccolo has like 2 or 3 and even nappa has one in the anime.
Steven is underrated tho.
Steven solos, end of story 🥱
*Probably the Saiyan Invasion, idk
another video where someone inaccurately scales one verse and highballs the other
Yeah. This guy sucks lol.
So true, lmao.
"Nah I win"
-age well
@@The5thtoe Artillery Cannon VS Handgun ahh argument
@@Unremarkable6969 nah me when im changing vs my step uncle ahh argument
Damn bro that's diabolical 😭
@@Unremarkable6969 nah this is ruclips.net/video/yJHBc0lTTRw/видео.htmlsi=3H7DJbff4gm-KM2o
@The5thtoe Self promotion is wild
Steven universe pink form is certified demon he is a menace and monster
Wow seems like mark wasn't so ( insert title screen) after all
Steven aquiring his very first W lol
my goat stephen and his universe
💯Love the respect you gave to my boy steven.
Is there any chance you could scale Ok Ko, its a very underated show imo and i want someone shine someone light on it.
Steven's defenses can withstand Mark's attacks but he does NOT compare to Mark's strenght, speed or durability. Steven would also NOT turn into his monster state in the middle of a fight so I call complete bs
Steven doesn't need to be in his monster form to be as strong
His monster form is quite literally just shape shifting, he thought of himself as a monster, and so he became a monster, using his Pink state is more than enough given his pink self was able to easily shrug off an attack from White diamond when she was angry, white easily outscales the other diamonds with there being no reason to assume her part of the diamond blast was even much given she knew pink was alive as rose by knowing the whole thing from the start
Okay, and?
I mean, if you can react to an attack that traveled galaxies in seconds, i would assume that you could react to mr vincible
@@Unremarkable6969 yeah can't steven either slow down time or move so fast that time seems slow to him? Doesn't he just speed blitz and tank everything mark can do?
@xxjoebamaxx7782 Explain to me when did Steven EVER react to an attack that traveled galaxies in seconds😭🙏
But the diamonds didnt try to destroy earth with their powers, they were trying to destroy all the gems that were on it instead which they failed to do so it is no where near solar system, not even planetary as they didnt even manage to surface wipe the earth seeing as how humans still exist.
Calcs disagree with you
@@Unremarkable6969 the calcs could be wrong or the context could be different as when you say solar system level, it makes it sound as if they could destroy a solar system but the clip you show does not indicate that at all. The gems society as a whole could probably do it over time with their technology but definitely not individually in a combat scenario basis.
@@Unremarkable6969 Gay space rocks glazer
@@JamesusLim You do realize you can produce enough energy to destroy something without actually destroying it? I think you fundamentally misunderstand what he meant by the diamonds scaling to solar system level. You don't have to destroy something to produce enough energy TO destroy it. You could easily crush a bug with your fist, but if you swing you fist at air it's still "bug level". Someone could easily calc your punch as being "bug level" simply by using basic physics equations (using the velocity/acceleration of your fist, its mass etc), even though you didn't actually kill the bug. So no, even though they weren't intending on destroying earth but rather the gems, at which they failed to do, they still can scale to solar system level.
Okay, to expand on what I was saying, my bad I was under the weather :3
But anyway, while the attack didn't destroy anything, the energy required to perform a feat like that would be on those levels. The energy requirement is what matters for something like this. If you want to know more, I pulled the calc from the VS Battles wiki
Doesn’t mark take people out to space and actually suffocate them like that’s a thing he does grab someone and bring them to space. Ain’t that a win com since Steven can’t do anything in space while mark can and will leave him there.
@@HJwhatifs He would need to do that at the start of the fight, and I didn't get to cover this but Steven is actually faster, or at least his reaction speed is.
@@Unremarkable6969 how much faster and What about mark omnipotus scaling which can get him way higher.
@@HJwhatifsMark can easily scale to 147 trillion to 735 trillion times FTL. The only reason people say that their travel speed Dosent scale to their C/R is because well, it’s travel speed. But given they perceive where they fly and what’s around them this should at least scale to reaction speed. Like thragg got multiple hits off of mark before he could
Even react and mark should be able to react to how fast he flys so I mean, that should scale thragg to that travel speed and later on mark could fight him hand to hand
I’d say their travel equals their C/R given this.
@@Unremarkable6969????? Steven glazer. Omfg😂
An Unremarkable video on my birthday? Couldn't get any better. Also W scaling, did not know Steven Universe was that strong lol
Happy Birthday dude 🎂
@@Unremarkable6969 Thanks goat 🤑
Kaiju Steven should NOT be a factor in for this scenario, but instead should be Pink Steven.
Physically, Pink Steven should be relative to Jasper who tanked 2 point blank explosions. One from Peridot's ship core, and the other from the ship itself crashing and exploding. Steven casually threw hands with her and thus should at LEAST be large town level in his Pink State (which is less than what you scaled for Mark.) Steven's shields and other defensive tools being strong enough to withstand Mark's attacks is plausible (considering his shields shattered Jasper too), but Mark getting splatted from punching Steven himself is a lot less likely because Steven's own durability is a lot lower compared his shields.
That being said, it doesnt change much qhen steven largely uses his shields rather than tanking point blank. Mark would at least break a bone or two against one of the shields.
@@hooparainbowbraceypkmonand7862 Yes, but the same would also apply to Steven punching Mark, since Mark has a higher durability and alat.
@@notarealdjay ...no? Steven has taken on and taken over far stronger beings
@@hooparainbowbraceypkmonand7862 Not really. I would say that his higher end feats come from his shields taking high energy outputs, but there aren't any feats that I can think of that test Steven's psychical capabilities to the point that they are on par with his shields, or are at least better than large-town and/or maybe mountain level.
Then again, Mark could be weak to the point that Steven's scaling is tough enough, but I am not well versed with Mark's power scaling.
Comics mark would win, but show mark gets clapped
Comics mark is at best solar system but at 281 foes. There are universal and multi solar wanks but those aren’t very valid. Large star-solar system is where they are best scaled imo but no Steven scales MUCH deeper into solar system then mark does so Steven beats comics unless you use crossovers
@@Image_empireSteven is like continental😂
@@TruthSpeaker2.0f I’ve seen a lot of calcs for him. I’m not well versed so I’ll can’t really debate to much, I’m just speaking from what I’ve seen
@@Image_empire forget calcs, if Steven is star level with calcs then calcs are simply wrong. Invincible tosses Steven into space.
The winner is an inraged alien with an uncontrolled system
Doesnt it take steven having a mental breakdown from a whole years worth of stress to actually use his kaiju form
I'd give it to him for a VS Battle.
steven was on a ship at light speed and moved
Fax and in his pink state he moves so fast time looks like it slows down
invinvible too, he was in the fastes CoP ship that could travel from Talescria (CoP main planet) to earth in a week, note that CoP is located in the virgo supercluster which is 65 millions light years away from earth, and mark outspeed this ship
@@TraxMaster_99 cool
Stevan being star level is also an outlier and doesn’t make any rear sense, the splat effect is neat tho, still don’t think he’s winning since marks so much faster
Even if he was, it's stated multiple times in the Invincible comics that characters slow down when they're in the atmosphere of a planet, so Mark would be nerfed.
@@Unremarkable6969They have the choice to accelerate. They just don’t because they would tear it apart, but if this match is taking place in Steven’s world why would Steven get to move at his FTL speeds and mark Dosent. Once mark sees Steven move at speeds that would regularly rip the atmosphere apart mark would definitely match that speed and more. Besides it’s been disproven in canon anyway, there are tons of instances where mark and others move faster than Mach 10 in an atmosphere
@@Unremarkable6969 yea.But he can still pick up Steven and just...throw him into the sun
NOOOOOOO MY GOAT THIS CAN’T BE HAPPENING
Nah I'd summon anti spiral
And what about 500 years mark?
he doesnt have many such feats unfortunately, although its shown he defeated allen with no much difficulty (implied)
Solar System level Steven? Eh, that feel's a bit bloated, especially because that calc is pretty definitively meant to be a high-end (not to mention the other calcs that have it at *much* lower).
I do think Steven wins, but I don't think the stomp factor is quite *that* big.
In my defense, that's a calc I got from the VS Battles Wiki, and it made sense to me considering how far away the Gem homeworld is to earth. But it can also be scaled to Dwarf Star level as a lower end calc. It could go either way, I suppose.
@@Unremarkable6969 BTW GODZILLA STEVEN even without the diamond feat is stronger than the cluster which is covered at full power is much bigger than earth so you can get steven to large planetary anyways plus he bubbled it himself as a kid too
@jaydonamazing8347 I was gonna bring that up but the video is short as it is, and the Draw Star scaling is higher
@@Unremarkable6969do Finn The Human VS Steven Universe next
@RJZayn. Maybe
Thanks man for the love on steven universe Thanks and I got some scaling of steven but I'm not say rn but thanks
I've seen other scaling for Steven, apparently there are ways to get him to his namesake, Universal. Even using his lower end meta's, he still bodies the lower end meta's of Invincible.
Using the diamonds to get Steven higher is kinda stupid. Yet you don’t do the same for mark? You are a hyper and fanboy lol😂
I loved Steven universe as a kid man... Good time's
I must say...a big downplay for Mark.Like - a real big.I can bring Mark to Star level without even mentioning Omnipotus once.Hell - I can bring Nolan to that level.The only way people downplay viltrumites to below star level is because Mark and Thragg were being burned while fighting inside of the star,but it is not because they have bad durability,but because they have limited Heat Resistance.Even normal people can punch melted metal with their bare hands if they do it fast,but if put inside - they would burn.It is a common misconception.
Plus - bringing an attack that is supposed to destroy earth to a star level sounds really disingenuous.There is one feat that suggests such a level of power from diamonds - and it is a shared feat of the 3 of them shooting a beam at the earth.And Rose was only able to block it with her shields,not her body.
Plus - you forgot to mention speed.Steven and other travel space on spaceships and teleportation platforms.Mark legit just flies through galaxy's in weeks.This is millions to billions times the speed of light on the lowball.Steven wouldn't have the time to even BEGIN condensing the shield as Mark will turn his stone into dust.
I don't subscribe to Star Level scaling for Invincible, from what I've seen the more common scaling ranges from those Multi-continental to Large Planetary.
@Unremarkable6969 ...I wrote a whole-ass list of feats that put Invincible characters(like mid-tiers,not even top tiers) at planetary,and top tiers at large star to solar system level,and also said about how Steven doesn't move NEARLY quick enough to stop Mark if he wants to kill him.And Kaiju Steven is a mindless rage mister,so Mark doesn't even need to punch him - he can just grab him on the spine and fly him into the Sun,before flying out.
But RUclips hates me so it deleted like half an hour of writing)
@@Unremarkable6969Yeah but you must consider that all of those multi continental and large planet feats are casual. Like in issue 5 mark was already multi continental during his fight with Allen. And in a canon crossover with tick he pushed a moon into mars with him, and was fine. The calculation for that being large planet and nearly dwarf star.
23,458km)/0.51sec = 45,938.58333 km/s or 45,938,583 m/s (0.153c) (Relativistic)
Using RKE- 3.375e+37J or ~8.07 Ninatons/Ronnatons of TNT (Large Planet level+)
Divide by 2- 1.6875e+37J or ~4.03 Ninatons/Ronnatons of TNT (Large Planet level) for Invincible and Tick
LS- 1.6875e+37/23458000 = 7.1937079e+29N (Pre-Stellar)
These casual large planet feats and my previously mentioned dwarf star explanation of the viltrum feat would make star level much more plausible
Drop ur cord lets debate
I do not feel passionate about this debate, I don't really care.
@@Unremarkable6969 So your whole youtube channel is about scaling but you're refusing debate? I don't even make scaling videos, but I could easily put invincible at high outer and higher with my scans. You've also ducked my friend in this comment section who refuted your entire video. Your response is "I do not feel passionate about this debate". Well, if you don't feel passionate about this debate then you shouldn't have even made the video.
@BoxyDoesEdits "High Outer" Invincible, get outta here.
I don't wanna debate, end of story. I have no obligation to debate you, I have no reason to debate you, I do not owe you a debate.
@ 🦆🦆🦆
@@Unremarkable6969crazy
Steven: MARK FOR THE LOVE OF GOD STOP TRYING TO HURT ME!!!
Invincible: (uses head because all the other bones broke hitting him.)
That’s not what would happen though. Mark is so much faster and would toss Steven into the sun😂
Though I do agree Steven wins multi continental to large planet invincible is kinda low balling. I mean the viltrum feat alone is dwarf star given viltrum has spherical moons the smallest of which must be 1000 kilometers given it’s a sphere. Comparing the moon to viltrum which is a pixel difference of 70.625 you’d get viltrum to roughly 5.5 times the sizes of earth.
Low end: 3.5582439e+38/3 = 1.1860813e+38J or 28.35 Ninatons of TNT (Dwarf Star level)
LS- 1.1860813e+38/52881772.8 = 2.2428925e+30N (Stellar)
Mid end: 1.4234452e+39/3 = 4.7448173e+38J or ~113.4 Ninatons of TNT (Dwarf Star level)
LS- 4.7448173e+38/52881772.8 = 8.9725004e+30N (Stellar)
High end: 1.2821648e+40/3 = 4.2738827e+39J or ~1.02 Tenatons of TNT (Dwarf Star level)
LS- 4.2738827e+39/52881772.8 = 8.0819581e+31N (Stellar)
And even then there are far better ways to get mark and others to large star-solar system anyway. But even marks solar system high balls don’t really stack up against Steven
@@Image_empire That feat isn't something any of them would scale to. For one, it was done with three people, so Mark wouldn't get all of it. Two, the planet was already destabilized because of a gun that can pop stars. And three, it was stated that if they got caught in the explosion, they would die, heavily implying they don't scale to the destruction of Planet viltrum.
@@Unremarkable6969 Well the calc is already divided by 3, secondly if a star busting weapon only temporarily destabilizes it, that only serves to upscale the planets density. And 3 it was stated by thadues that they COULD have died in impact, nothing was said about the explosion being the cause, and as for thadues’s statement for one he’s never planet busted before or has seen it happen so I doubt he’d actually know for fact they would die, and 2 it’s likely the heat of the core would have killed them instead of the impact, and no a weakness to heat Dosent negate scaling Martin manhunter fights Superman and he is harmed by every day fire and no one seems to have an issue with it but people use the fact viltrumites are weak to heat as a way to say they aren’t star level at all. And if you wanna argue that they were “knocked out” they were pretty clearly just knocked back from the explosion like if you were sprinting and someone shoved you from behind you’d fall over, and if they were truly KO’d for a long amount of time thragg would have killed them on the spot like he did thadues. I’d say mark scales to this calc
I disagree
@@Unremarkable6969 You disagree with my statement? That’s fine but why do you? I don’t really think I left any of my reasoning out
@@Unremarkable6969 Stunning rebuttal! You should be a lawyer! "Your honor, I disagree! Therefore the defendent is guilty! Trust me, bro!"
Death battle be like
Sun disk
I got Mark winning.
Why?
Mark at best scales to 281 foes if you scale viltrums density to space racers gun but that’s as high as he gets. Steven scaled to 3.9 mega foes. So yeah that’s a huge power difference
That’s not the highest Mark can go considering the crossover with Spawn and Mean Supreme.
@@NoSauceOrBroth Yeah he did damage a blood lusted solar man who easily beat spawn. And his father stalemated mean supreme who was stated to be similar in power to solar man. But that’s crossovers I was only referring to what we see in main invincible
@@Image_empire crossovers are canon tho
Steven slams the knockoff Superboy copy
Me and my gang hate the gravity formula
What would happen Mori Jin from the God of Highschool was in the anime Dragon Ball Z and the DBZ movies storyline? How much of a powerhouse would he be and how would his array of abilities and techniques fair in Dragon Ball Z and against movie villains?
Probably
@Unremarkable6969
With how much of a powerhouse Mori Jin can become in a short period of time and the Insane amount of powerful clones he can spawn to fight with him and almost as powerful as him I think he can keep up and surpass all Z saga characters and forms. It's not going to be a good time for Bojack and Super Perfect Cell to fight him and he has some maddening multiplier forms.
no offense invincible stomps Steven he literally only multi Continental and barely light speed mark is planetary with mftl+ speeds no bias at all he litreally stomps
Can he beat Saiyan Saga Vegeta though?
Debate bro
@pjsdrawings8833Mark or Steven?
@@OyinkansolaAgboola
Steven
Cool But who wins knuckles vs Juggernaut
KNOCK KNOCK!!
*I'll get back to you on that
Can you scale king von
Where the hell is that diamond feat from?
Steven Universe. Which season, uhhhh idk 😓
I think it's in between season 3 - 4 I believe but I could be wrong
I know steven would beat mark because mark form invincible gets beat up all the time
Do you agree with lonk takes power scaling (he's a youtuber)
What is steven speed?
His reaction speed is fast enough to react to a similar attack from White Diamond. While Mark MIGHT be faster at top speed, it's stated multiple times in the Invincible comics that they slow down whenever they reach the atmosphere of a planet. So Mark would be heavy nerfed.
@Unremarkable6969 Nice, can you do saitamas vs ichigo PLS 🍑💦🍆🫦👅🥵
@@Unremarkable6969They choose to slow down. Not that an atmosphere makes them slow down. And besides we’ve seen them do feats of a relativistic-light speed range in an atmosphere anyway. Not to mention his perception should scale to his MFTL+ travel speed
I buy Sun Disk scaling but it ain't saving Mark here lmao
Sun disk isn’t even valid tho. If you want star level viltrumites tech jacket is much more reliable. You can pretty reliably get mark to solar system via a star busting gun only destabilizing viltrum and upscaling viltrums density. Making it a feat of 281.31 foes for Mark. But even then Steven scales far deeper into solar system
@@Image_empire I honestly haven't seen any convincing arguments against Solar Disk scaling. Coalition lacks weapons that can harm Viltrumites, and their basic ships have a cannon that can destroy a massive solar disk. with the only real big anti-feat being the Viltrum bust, though that doesn't work since like you said, it tanked a star exploding gun.
@@helton1812 Also what would thadues even know about planet busting he’s never witnessed it or done it. And it’s far more likely the cores heat would have done them in rather than any impact. As they are weak to heat, which Dosent even negate scaling. And besides they weren’t even hurt by the viltrum feat and the viltrum feat itself is dwarf star level. Any planet or small planet level calc is invalid given it has a yield lower than viltrums GBE. So they just aren’t usable and every channel that downplays invincible uses those💀
@@helton1812 the solar disk is small planetary due to a calc that i find
Meh it's was obvious from the start steven solos
yea but mark is well.............Invincible
Damn, I didn't know Steven was like that
I genuinely forgot he's THAT guy in his story
You should do Ben 10 vs Jaden Yuki (Yu-Gi-Oh! GX)
Steven doesn't have sundisk therefore he loses
Ok Kalama voter
invincible fan will say what about all crossover comic and he can kill spawn
A featless, alternate universe Spawn
Yeah that spawn isn’t one you can use to scale but mark did have a canon crossover with him and savage dragon where they fought solar man
invincible has to be one of the biggest frauds in fiction 😭😭
Fr tho
Calling him a fraud is crazy work
I mean... it's not wrong tho. That's part of the irony of the character. Despite the name, outside of his drive to keep moving forward, Eren Approved 👍 Mark regularly ends up a mess and more often that not, gets dog-walked for 80% of the series.
@@Netherwolf6100 That’s the point he’s not meant to be physically invincible but his drive to keep going is what makes him invincible. If getting cooked in fights is the reason why he’s a fraud then that’s just a lack of understanding of who mark is.
steven tries to naruto himself to genocidal freaks and assasins, the fraud seems another one lol
Random question, but who do you think wins.
Muzan or Sukuna
@@غيثطالبسليم-و8ل I'm actually researching that video cause I got it requested, but currently I don't see how Sukuna could put Muzan down permanently, unless Sukuna can make the fight last until the day
@@Unremarkable6969 fire arrow with a domain expansion.
Muzan doesn't have any type of heat resistance to say that he would be able to survive a full aoe explosion from a healthy sukuna who's domain expansion is perfectly fine (the shrine range isn't reduced like in season 2 nor does it have a 99 seconds like in the manga and the only reason why sukuna wasn't able to pull it out on gojo was because of sukuna was changing the rules of his domain.)
And sukuna could most likely be able to opened his domain faster than mahito (who can to open his domain for 0.2. And hakari was stated to be able to open his domain faster than mahito and everyone that watched the gojo vs sukuna fight were barely were able to react to both sukuna and Gojo opening their domains.
Also soul damage should stop his regeneration.
Also sukuna does have more higher scaling than muzan to like mountain and island level (from domain scaling and the possibility of Gojo creating an earthquake that was felt crossed Japan) so I don't see muzan doing any damage to sukuna.
@@Unremarkable6969 Soul attacks. Sukuna can perceive Souls and attack them (He damaged Mahito, whose powers allow him to restore the shape of his Soul to negate any damage that falls upon his body)
@@Unremarkable6969 Sukuna can just cut Muzan into pieces quicker then he can regenerate his body until the sunrise.Sukuna was getting jumped by the entire cast and still was ready to continue as long as the want.Fighting one enemy that has lesser variety and with his only good ability being regeneration?That would be like using a punching bag that cries and tries to run away because you are too scary(reminder - Muzan is a giant coward)
My goat is getting washed by Steven. I want to cry
Based Blaze the Cat pfp
@Unremarkable6969 Thanks! Isn't she just the best?
I'm a Shadow guy myself, personally. Blaze is in the top five, for sure.
Can you scale Finn the human?
Maybe
Where are you getting dwarf star diamonds??
Goji-Chronic and his video, "Omni-Man VS Rose Quartz isn't close"
@@Unremarkable6969 if it was actually dwarf star level the earth would be atomized all they did was shine a massive flashlight that failed to kill gems caught in its blast and corrupted them
Calcs disagree with you.
@@rextheultimatepotato9209and in marvel, or dbz, or dc people will throw out supposed multiverse busting attacks just to destroy a couple rocks
@@Unremarkable6969 the giant flashlight that did nothing to plants or animals and even failed to kill gems who mind you can get shattered by falling on a cliff or getting pilebunkered is considered dwarf star? Sure maybe the energy required to output it does but that doesn't equal attack potency. An example is me saying the suns light shines on me and i tanked it therefore i have star level durability
"Bu-bu-but sun disk feat"
Sun disk isn’t reliable, I don’t think i know anyone who actually uses it other than death battle. Tech jacket is better to use to scale viltrumites to star level and beyond
@Image_empire nah im making fun of people who use that as a viable feat. Planetary-MAYBE-large planetary is my agreed scaling for invincible when not using those dubious crossovers Omniman had
Again not taking Tech Jacket into account. My knowledge on his is minimal to none, so until I know more for him I don't account his feats when understanding the rest of the verse's powers
@@germex1837 The viltrum feat alone is dwarf star. Given viltrum has spherical moons and to be spherical it must be 1000 kilometers so comparing the pixels of that to viltrum the planet is 70,625 kilometers. Making it much larger than earth.
Low end: 3.5582439e+38/3 = 1.1860813e+38J or 28.35 Ninatons of TNT (Dwarf Star level)
LS- 1.1860813e+38/52881772.8 = 2.2428925e+30N (Stellar)
Mid end: 1.4234452e+39/3 = 4.7448173e+38J or ~113.4 Ninatons of TNT (Dwarf Star level)
LS- 4.7448173e+38/52881772.8 = 8.9725004e+30N (Stellar)
High end: 1.2821648e+40/3 = 4.2738827e+39J or ~1.02 Tenatons of TNT (Dwarf Star level)
LS- 4.2738827e+39/52881772.8 = 8.0819581e+31N (Stellar)
@@germex1837 Not to mention in a canon crossover with tick mark pushed a moon into mars and that’s a large planet almost dwarf star feat.
23,458km)/0.51sec = 45,938.58333 km/s or 45,938,583 m/s (0.153c) (Relativistic)
Using RKE- 3.375e+37J or ~8.07 Ninatons/Ronnatons of TNT (Large Planet level+)
Divide by 2- 1.6875e+37J or ~4.03 Ninatons/Ronnatons of TNT (Large Planet level) for Invincible and Tick
LS- 1.6875e+37/23458000 = 7.1937079e+29N (Pre-Stellar)
Also Steven has Universal scaling with certain items from the Steven Universe games
I know you didn’t have time, but I would hope that you would of explain a little bit more of our how Steven can beat Mark
@@ConeAJ Stat check, Steven has better feats and abilities, to make a long story short.
@@Unremarkable6969 that’s pretty short long story
@@ConeAJ Steven scales to everyone in the verse in his Kaiju form, which I would give him for a VS match up. Even on the low end he's Planetary with MFTL speed, based on defeating the Cluster and reacting to White Diamonds attacks. His higher scaling push him up to MFTL+ with much higher calcs, depending on who you're asking.
@@Unremarkable6969 that may be true, but can you be Mr. Satan from DBZ?🧔🏾
I am getting no diffed
Bardock > Omni Man
It’s closer than people say it is ngl
@@Image_empire no it's not adult Mark the stronger than Omni man adult mark is large planet level st best bardock is 10000 more than enough to blob of moon
@@NephilimSeth They are dwarf star at least via viltrum being a dwarf star feat. But tech jacket in his own comics had star level scaling and via a series of AP multipliers you’d find Omni man at large star. Potentially even solar system if you take into account that space racers gun a gun that scales above anything in the cosmos, couldn’t bust viltrum so it upscales viltrums durability above pulsars.
Since it was stated it can destroy anything that means it can destroy pulsars with a GBE of 4.851e+46J or ~485.1 Foe (Solar System level)
The infinity ray was only strong enough to weaken Viltrums core which makes the planet more durable than a solar system. To calc this I'll assume the beam overcame the GBE of the core and use that to find the GBE of the entire planet.
Core Mass Core is 36.5% the mass of earth
Durability of Viltrum: (4.851e+46/36.5) * 100 = 1.329041096e+47J or ~1329.04 Foe (Solar System level)
Viltrumite's output: (1.329041096e+47 * 0.635)/3 = 2.813136987e+46J or ~281.31 Foe (Solar System level) for each
LS- 2.813136987e+46/19081615.76 = 1.4742656e+39N (Multi-Stellar)
Can he beat Goku too?
No
Omnipotus isn't really an outlier since mark also scales to tech jacket sun disk space racer and arguably supreme which would make it somewhat a little consistent
The viltrum feat can also get to small star to higher level ranges due to it happening fast enough for no one to react to it and going past it's ring system to destroying it's moons
Also savage dragon makes the scaling a bit more consistent as well. He killed solar man who easily fought canon spawn and savage dragon is a jobber in invincible