More than a Kendrick Diss ? “Might Delete Later” Analysis [reupload]
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- Опубликовано: 25 авг 2024
- What do we talk about when we talk about the Kendrick/Cole beef? Should we actually talk about the album? You know, the one that came out? New upload of original video with gasp editing to include necessary discussion of "Pi." @jcole
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An edited Professor Skye video? an historic occasion indeed. AVAA
Crazy times we're living in 😭🙌🏾
Skye looks at this very deeply. As a black man, I like looking at these videos and it’s always interesting when someone respects the culture within the field of this sport and does their research. Thank you. Don’t ever stop these.
Much agreed. As a black man in america I very much appreciate the appreciation, and the lack of appropriation. Lots of the points I think of to comment, he ends up saying anyway.
I always choose your reviews over Fantanos, these go more in depth and cover not just the music, but the artistic aspects of the album. You also always keep such an amazingly open mind about new rappers like Destroy Lonely, Playboi Carti, and Yeat. As a young adult I love to see their art being assessed as what it is, great art 🤗 AVAA
kinda Fantano's Great for what he is. I enjoy having these 2 (3 including DEHH...4 When FD does a his more seldom takes) persepctives and style.
..Atleast Skye will review 'Ye though & understand him..for the most part. 🎉
AVAA! I'm a trans man and yeah, i was really disappointed while watching the premiere, not because I thought you had a duty to say something about the bar, but because I was really curious and excited to hear your in-depth analysis of it and the nuance that you're able to bring. I'm glad you added the addendum, you're doing a hell of a lot better than most cis dudes would. Hearing this bar reminded me of the DuBois quote about double consciousness (not to say that being trans can be even remotely compared to being black in America). I heard it as myself of course and was hurt to know that Cole subscribes to/platformed such a, as you said, "bunk" framework, but I also heard it from the perspective of a cis guy. If I were a cis guy, I would have definitely just not even heard or thought about it a second time after hearing it, and if i stumbled onto online discourse about it, my impression would be the same narrative that happened with Dave Chappelle; If I hadn't already put in years of working to unlearn transphobia and bioessentialism that's baked into society, I would think that Cole was being unjustly criticized by haters that don't understand his art. That's the real insidious part to me, is knowing that's the takeaway the average Joe is going to get from the situation, and I think your addendum might change that for some, so I really appreciate it a lot.
Anyways that was mucho texto lmao, I'll end by saying that being a man with a pussy ironically takes major balls.
That's a hell of a closing statement lmao. Cheers man!
Did anybody actually read this?
@devehub8344 I did lol, get your attention span up fool!
@@devehub8344 Prob not tbh like I said mucho texto
@@beyblade69ey my nigga that shit was harddd, wa gwan , 1 lov bruddah 🏳️⚧️✊🏽
Thanks for the reupload. AVAA!
AVAA. The conclusion to the addendum that starts around 57:30 when you imagine a better future for your kid brought tears to my eyes as a person who in many ways is different from the norm. Keep doing this professor. Also, I will be becoming a professor later this year, and I wanted to say your style of lecture has inspired me in many ways, so thanks for that!
thought everyone was being too harsh on Cole, but now I see 7 minute drill is actually only 3 and a half minutes and; maybe we arn't being harsh enough?
AVAA, appreciate the reupload with the addendum, also was set down a lengthy rabbit hole about napoleon after this
Love to hear it
daylyt is actually an amazing battle-rapper, i didn't know he was a producer
Check out his i-95 freestyle he produced his own beat for that (its just a loop of the second part of crime of the century but it goes hard)
Agreed with your analysis, out off those 20 bars in Kendrick's verse only 2 bars towards Cole, lite jabs at that.
AVAA just wanna say your analogies and framings are consistently brilliant and colorful to the point where I remember them and what they illustrate about an artist/project all the time. You represent the good of academics and I’m really glad you do this
AVAA Congrats on the foreign ma collab, you did a great job. Also happy this was uploaded again, was scared you might’ve deleted this later when I was watching this morning
I appreciate your cautious perspective on everything, I relate to it very much. AVAA
had a mini panic attack when this shit got shadow realmed outta nowhere LMAO, glad the vid is back
You better fucking preach like this every video! This is a masterpiece
congrats on the foreign Collab! avaa
Thanks! It was a real honor.
58:50 I did not expect Absol to catch strays in this video.
25:40 With the way Kendrick and Drake keep alluding to be Prince and MJ, this thought is super funny in retrospect
A reupload? Don't worry Prof Skye, I'm watching this video twice!
Thank you for sharing the quote ❤
Your metaphors make me laugh. I can relate to them! 😂
What you should know about DAYLYT is he’s a very skilled battle rapper. AVAA.
And you should also know that he was drakes ghostwriter for Back to Back and drake never paid him for it. Smh
@@ashacovie that too. And God’s plan
AVAA. The j cole “I’m so happy to be a rapper” bar is probably the funniest thing I’ve ever seen. Enjoy the eclipse in the 585, drive safely around all the tourists.
I was particularly proud of that joke, thanks for mentioning it.
AVAA , the first time i heard the stash line used was by lil wayne years ago with the ' had to go back in the stash , but the stash is james harden '
Coming back to this now after the Kendrick/Drake beef, I feel like Drake was hoping to have a little farce, retro throwback battle and Kendrick just got disgusted by him appropriating dead rappers for this little exercise, which made them ridiculous , like the live action version of Cats, it was deeply disrespectful of rap history and he needed to be smacked down hard. I completely agree with your point in the missed opportunities video, that he should have gone after Drake's music, like bragging about impregnating and abandoning poor women of color. To spotlight that, would have been all he needed.
Prof Skye. Thanks for addressing the transphobic bars and platforming a trans person in doing so. Rap music is full of so much discriminatory language. An art form I love is often full of bs.
Really interesting takes on the whole thing, AVAA
Respect for the video. I just have a couple thoughts
1. I think you're attributing the beef to too much of the project. There have been numerous videos and snippets that prove that Might Delete Later has been in the works for quite bit before Like That dropped
2. Appreciated your analysis of the trans-verse
3. While time-consuming, I think there's a lot of benefit to be had by going back through artists discography
You should listen to Do What Thou Wilt by Ab-Soul! Might be the most dense album ever, Lupe vibes
Appreciate the thoughts!
The end of your addendum is the reason why Marvin Gaye's "Save The Children" is a masterpiece that transcends time.
12:00 - 13:50
I see your 'Kendrick/J Cole beef is history repeating as farce" and I raise a
"This is the prelude to Rap World War I"
Bc Kendrick/Drake have real problems and they won't be boxing with headgear on.
Several low temperature beefs have been brewing around Drake, but Kendrick has made the situation hot, and now alliances will be forced to defend their sides until everyone is involved.
I thought it was a fun meme to address it as a rap civil war brewing, but after Cole threw that sub out at Future, understandable given the situation, there's no way that Future doesn't respond.
And given that apparently Ross is now on the outs with Drake, he could get involved and basically everyone who's ever had a problem with Drake might get open with the disses. Now Cole definitely has a side picked and his people could get involved.
This is all idle, fun speculation, but hey, if history is repeating itself, maybe...?
EDIT: J Cole apologized. This might still be for something, depending on how Kendrick takes it. And most of this idle speculation depends on Drake, but w/o J Cole's involvement it's not World War I, just regular civil war.
You come for the music discourse, you stay for the historical discourse on Napolean, Hegel and Marx.
as a fellow cis straight guy, it always baffles me how many other cis straight guys use feminine traits or, in this case, bodyparts as insults.
like, it seems like a hell of a lot of straight guys do not actually like women. neither their personalities nore their physical form. it's strange to me.
I like so many different things about different women. some of the best people i've met are women. why would I want to date women if I thought otherwise?
My favorite breakdown of the beef and the new Cole album BY FAR. AVAA!!
J Cole's apology makes this whole beef even more farcical now.
As soon as we get to the addendum, I can't watch this video anymore. Folding over to be a people pleaser is so embarrassing to me that it's hard to stick around for the rest of the video, but you do you, sir.
I agree that folding is not good, but this was not folding. I released a video that was accidentally not inline with my pre-existing beliefs and changed my work accordingly.
34:00 Crocodile tears? Alligator tears? What's next?
Caiman tears
10:30 - 11:30 On tragedy then farce
Ferdinand Marcos was the elected president turned dictator of the Phillipines (1965 - 1986)
His son, Bongbong Marcos, was elected president in 2022.
No dictatorship yet, but he is trying to whitewash his dad's legacy, so he's taking steps in that direction
For more context on this mixtape, in late February Cole released a 2 minute snipped of the track now known as Crocodile Tears and did like a mini doc about his journey to the Fall Off.
Was called Might Delete Later Vol 1, did a Volume 2 before Kendrick's verse dropped.
Makes me wonder which lines are standard boasting/putting other rappers down and how much is subs to Kendrick.
Also, I have a question.
Video comments that don't have your advertised acronym.
Actually, if they do kind of have them, are they hearted?
And are they corny or clever?
I always think of Pascal as a mathematician and almost never as a philosopher. Except for when I think of Pascal's Wager, which I think was an unfortunate blending of mathematics, religion and philosophy which really advanced none of that trio
AVAA! You should check out ritchie of injury reserve new solo album triple digits.
This entire tape was being rolled out months before the diss, it's completly unfair and historically inaccurate to say Cole made this whole mixtape just for Kendrick AVAA
AAVA! I really really appreciate your allowing of a trans person to speak about the transphobic bar before you and following up the perspective of one of us with your own perspective. it feels authentic and conveys that you actually care about these issues. while the main victim of the bar is a hypothetical trans man and general trans people all around i think its important to have both trans and cis voices talking about it with an importance on the trans voices. now me personally idk if Cole is a transphobe who is specifically attacking us or whether hes just ignorant and is being reactionary but i do think it is interesting how a man who's portrayed himself and seen as a wise conscious rapper can be so loose lipped with these kinda things (there is the track where he drops a lot of f slurs and asks how he can be homophobic when he supports gay marriage a la Eminem). but nonetheless great video as always!
AVAA, Love your style. You are missing out on my favorite Cole album. KoD is amazing vibes. It's really more anti drugs, or drug alternative album lol
Great conversation in this vid. i would recommend checking out KOD again if you like the anti drug stuff in this most recent album
26:45 - 26:55
On the Kendrick/Cole beef: there is a video by a channel, 'whatisthedirt' that predicted that Kendrick would respond to First Person Shooter. He released the video approx a week before Like That dropped. He cited what a lot of people considered flimsy evidence, I was one of those, but he clearly ended up being 100% right.
So it might be good to check out for further context.
BUT
I would be 100% down for historical revisionism stating that Kendrick got mad that Cole was friendly to him. It's the only historical revisionism I'm down for, actually.
Hold me to this, I believe when Kendrick responds we will see the beef runs deeper than what we currently understand. This may be complete projection but I think Kendrick looks at Cole as a dirty preacher character. A lot of air about social justice but lacking any substantive message underneath. If I were Kendrick, given his dedication to the craft and his beliefs, I would be looking at Cole as an imitator
I get a very similar impression from all of this. Not just an imitator but a pretender. I think Kendrick is legitimately offended to be grouped with cole, let alone drake.
@@jm6406I’m confused by the messaging here. Are we accusing J Cole of “pretending” to care about black people? What in his music or how Cole has carried himself points to insincerity regarding his perspective on black issues in America? This really feels like your feelings of Cole’s work being inferior to Kendrick is pushing you to make judgements on Cole’s character which I feel is really unfair.
I don't understand why Kendrick would be upset with Cole for social justice issues when noname rightly called them both out on their lack of leadership in that regard.
@@RasDamnoname isn't the brightest example when it comes to leading societal issues either.
@@nickyheart dunno about that. You may not agree with her but she clearly does more to educate and lead the way than both Cole and Kendrick. To have Cole say he's not smart like that despite going to college and for Kendrick to say he's not our saviour in response to her criticism of them was quite the admission.
I died at the predator chain gun sound effects, avaa
as a trans woman, I can say that I've cringed a bit, but I was not offended. I heard this shit before and I will hear it again in the future so why I would take some comments from the person who doesn't even know who I am. And j. cole is not the smartest person in the world and he's not my role model or something. AVAA
29:50 But it does feel like it is a mixtape that is designed to get you hype for his real album, the Fall Off.
I don't know how to say this Prof Skye, so I'll just leave it unsaid. You can say it yourself, if you want.
Great videos
Thank you for the addendum. I subscribed. Trans men generally don’t menstruate (except before or in the very early stages of transition) and somehow that the bar doesn’t make sense bothers me about it. Come at me with a diss that actually hits if you want to go there. My interpretation is that if someone who cares about being clever with his analogies doesn’t even think twice about whether or not the punchline works just doesn’t care about the lived reality of being a trans man at all. And it’s a mirror for society, e.g. when I disclose that I am trans, people usually assume I want to transition into a woman because they don’t understand that trans men actually look, sound, smell and are built like MEN because we are men. We just may have a smaller dick and some breast tissue if we’re pre OP. The whole experience is belittling and I don’t need to explain how emasculation feels. That is something you and I have both felt and I actually appreciate cis men talking about that in the context of trans male „issues“ because for me, it’s the worst part about being a man who was born without a penis. And hearing other men voice their sympathies makes it uniting instead of putting me in another category again. It may be worth noting that daylyt has voiced heavily transphobic views (link) so it could be that Cole actually shares those if he wrote that uninspired shit and invited him for a feature and my interpretation of him just not caring is too benign.
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Me:Super excited for Prof Skye to give this the full attention it deserves
Prof Skye: Dedicates 30 minutes to talking about the context/beef, not the album
Me: :(
Well, he gives us what we need, it may not be what we want
59:09 that’s a TDE artist daylyt professor
6:04 I'm asking this in the nicest way possible
Is it just me, or do only the French-speaking give a quote in French, and then translate it, when just the translation would have been just as fine?
They'll even do it in writing, sometimes putting the translation in the footnotes or at the end.
And sometimes, they won't even give the translation!
Am I just sensitive to that in French or is it just a feature of communication?
I like and subscribed! AVAA!
What is AVAA
AVAA! Good addendum professor! If it's any consolation to the algorithm, I saw your initial post, but something told me to watch it later. Weird how things work out sometimes! Anyway, no view lost from me atleast!
Trans rights!
AVAA Everything under the sun is in tune. But the sun is eclipsed by the moon.
AVAA. Daylyt is going back to back with Ab-soul. He used to battle rap. Elite level lyricist.
AVAA i gotta say i did not enjoy this album too much, in my opinion the music in it of itself wasn't too interesting but that is ofc just my personal taste. The transphonic comment rlly left a bad taste in my mouth however.
No hate to j cole, still a very good artist. I do wish that he will learn from the transphobic line in the future and will understand why it is wrong to say stuff like that
What was transphobic about it
I’m sorry can someone explain the AAVA thing for me, I’m new here 😂
You look like a hostage reading a ransom note in your you addendum.
19:15 I don't think he has anything to prove
That doesn't seem quite right for Cole.
On the Off-Season Documentary, Cole speaks on not feeling fulfilled with what he'd done so far. He'd gotten too comfortable, he was convinced he hadn't fully explored his skillset.
This might not be the same thing as having something to prove, bc it seems like he's proving something to himself, not other people, but I'm not sure if it's an important distinction.
Food for thought.
Are PG Tips tea bags in America like in England?
No, I just spent a summer in Glasgow once
@@professorskye oh wow, YOU replied 🥹.
And thanks for the clarification! I didn't think they could be but you've said it a few times now...
Are you playing or is it a genuine error 😄?
When I get the time to listen and focus I definetley prefer your reviews over Fantano. Your analysis is way broader. AVAA
Ab-Soul had the best verse
AVAA. My take on J. Cole's music (especially his albums) and him as an artist has always been that he is a pseudo-woke rapper whose narratives and messages across his catalogue are severely lacking, shallow, and sound nothing less than a menagerie of platitudes and quintessential woke narratives that are in no way original and stimulating in the context of sonic experience. KOD was the lowest moment in his career in this regard to the point where it felt like he was letting his ego and holier-than-thou persona get the better of him as an artist with the fake features and obsession over self-producing, which is why I really loved The Off-Season. (I think it's his MO by leaps and bounds) It was the first time for me to feel like he was really doing what he's good at, and he's enjoying the process of it instead of being subjected to the mire of superfluous juggling acts of preaching agenda that were impending on his creative endeavours. He is a skilled and proficient rapper, and he's already shown to his fans and the public that he's capable of crafting a more holistic and balanced LP with a substantive message. With this LP, all I can muster up is that he sounds so reluctant and half-hearted as if he's literally being forced to step into this beef and respond for the sake of responding to it. I can only hope that he taps into the sheer joy and fun he had making The Off-Season with his new LP, The Fall Off and let him be himself.
Why you stop having stamp songs in your reviews??
AVAA but as a trans woman re: pi, i'd have to disagree with it not being attack helicopter level. part of it is cole's fame and the concrete chance he has of charting (ppl with bigger platforms obviously have an onus to use those platforms correctly), but the character of transphobia is different for transmasc folks. at least here in ireland, we acquired the uk's transphobic methods, which involve calling trans men "lost lesbians" when they're straight or bi and generally just sit on erasure, pity and disbelief. cole's bars conflating the violence with a trans man feel like applying stereotypical transfemme transphobia to transmasc people, and that is genuinely a new-ish development, mostly brought on from the bro-ey men like andrew tate who would be adjacent to TERFs. (cole made a song called passport bros a couple years back, a term tate helped popularise; i'd absolutely be willing to infer he's not only aware of the guy but kind of likes him, given that cole and women have never been on great terms.) it's something that sickens me to my stomach and which i couldn't see any other way
Thank you for this counterpoint.
I do not agree with the transphobia angle, AT ALL, and would love for someone to explain to me how JCole insinuating that a trans woman is not a biological woman is detrimental to a healthy trans movement. Prof. S said himself that their perception of themselves doesn't fit the REALITY of how they were born .. meaning, what is fact is fact and the amount of chromosomes you have does in fact determine whether you will biologically be born male or female..... I do not think the discourse should revolve around "what is man" and "what is woman" , but should instead revolve around the rights and resources those people have available to them and ensuring those things are equally available to them and not being reprimanded for it.
Hi Professor Skye! You and the family have gotta check out the new MYSTICA new album “LOST DOGS”. It’s absolutely one you wanna review. AVAA
AVAA, I'm a trans person and I appreciate your addendum. Could you point me to a place where I can learn about what "bio-centralism" (as I think you called it) is, especially with regard to parents and/or being trans? I'd love to understand what is wrong with it, I feel that I'd most likely be against it too if this J Cole bar only makes sense under it's context, but it might help me understand my own belief systems better.
The term that was used is "Bioessentialism" and I must admit that I have not done any proper research on it and thus can't really share it with you! However, I think the basic idea that our culture and civilization is WAYYY too invested in the biological facts of one's birth is the fundamental building block of anyone fighting bioessentialism. I also use the term "Biological Determinism."
@@professorskye Thank you!!
Holy moly
That is a lot longer than before!
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Avaa, as someone who's also trans i didn't even know what to feel about this bar cause it's such an absurd thing to say. I couldn't even figure out if the bar was transphobic or misogynistic first, cause the trans stuff is in it more, but it just feels like a way of getting to the misogyny in a way that looks more progressive to someone who doesn't know much about trans people (a lot of people in his audience for example). Really the first thing i thought of was that j cole is probably asking "are you on your period" every single time he's losing an argument to someone who can menstruate (in this case he even says it those who cant). Other than all the ways this bar is extremely problematic it's also nuclear cringe, profoundly embarrassing thing to say in my opinion.
Lupe Fiasco would put the nail in all of their coffins.
imo Cole ended his career with this whole album rollout. Sadly I don't see him recovering from this.
Love your breakdowns …I think Kendrick won too but Cole’s project isn’t a response
Double commenting on this one to make up for the algorithm damage but if you're interested in another piece of great trans art (I know you already cover quite a bit) from last year, totally check out My Back Was a Bridge for You to Cross by ANOHNI and the Johnsons. It's gorgeous. AVAA
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2:52 you should listen to "pronouns" by your old droog, it's a good contrast to j.cole's weird trans punchline
Go bills
aVAA
Thank u for the addendum about the transphobia -- it seems like everybody is just skating over it, but it was really hurtful and shocking to me as a trans Cole fan, and it especially bummed me out how so few people outside of my community seemed to care. I was really disappointed and sad about it, particularly since this is the first time I've ever heard him reference transness, so I'm glad u talked about it, ty! (aava)
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I interpreted the track more as a warning shot rather than a half baked diss track. A preliminary round , beckoning for more from Kendrick before he really gets into the mud .
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I’m a big fan of Central Cee. He and Dave (another dope UK rapper) released an EP called Split Decision last tear that I think is worth taking a look at
Im guessing your not actually professor and immediately something was off when gave fantano any credit. The album made before kendrick diss him.
As a Kendrick fan, Cole’s verse cut deeper honestly. It was true, honest, and had bars. As a Kendrick fan, Cole won.
Abaa
How are you this "woke" yet Kanye is your favourite artist?
I spend a lot of time thinking about (and discussing) this question.
First of all, I have no problem being called woke, which is a good term malformed by bad actors. However I am not a fan of what is implied in usage like this. Still, I'll reply.
I am not sure that Kanye is my favorite artist anymore. His illness appears to be directing the art at this point. I still acknowledge his genius and that he is STILL the greatest living artist, but his mental health issues have clearly cost him dearly. It is these issues that lead him to be such an abhorrent person and I truly feel genuine pity for him. Our media landscape is all too happy to exploit this pain and difficulty by pointing the finger at him to make him some kind of scapegoat. And of course, it is very difficult to figure out where the asshole ends and where the mental illness begins.
But I care deeply about culture, art & humanity. Sadly his illness has led him to views which endanger other peoples humanity. I'd like to believe that there is a world where we can discuss all of these things SIMULTANEOUSLY with nuance and compassion, so I made this channel.
Hi@@professorskye
Firstly, rest assured I wasn't using "woke" in the pejorative sense. Secondly, I really think you're running a great channel. However, I do find it questionable how you can have such fervour in your outrage for JK Rowling, to the point you've said you cannot even view the content, whilst simultaneously being able to engage so intensely with what Kanye is still producing. The outrage feels very selective and discordant, respectfully.
Daylyt's The Cheat Code. . . He's the Hidden Secret Character you unlock after beating the game on 100%. If you haven't had the chance to go down the Daylyt Rabbithole.. Matter fact the (w)hole BattleRap scene. Man, have fun.. Id love a vidoe from you on it & been waiting of FD's one on it thats TBD release. Want another Gem whose still active as Daylyt Mostly Retired...O Solo. Cheers 🍷💥🍷
Also/ Nice 'Enemy(2013)' Quote ❤️🩹
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